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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
The bizarre part of Schindler's list is as Stanley Kubrick said,
only Steven could make a movie at the Holocaust that
has a happy ending.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
He got a funny joke for it. What about the
other colla?

Speaker 1 (00:14):
He was a little older. You know, you look like
the Marlboro man. Oh yeah, but maybe I'm saying that,
you know, because he smoked a lot of Marlborough's.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Uh you know, like a subconscious type of thing.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
Oh yeah, that can happen.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Hey, they said they were going to the Twin Cities.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that useful to you?

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Oh you betcha? Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Well it's the middle of August, It's the middle of
the Democratic Convention, and it's glop culture. I'm John pon
Horts in New York with Rob Long also in New York,
Hi Rob, Hi, John, and Jonah Goldberg in Washington, d C.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Hi, Joe, Uh hey, John? How are you?

Speaker 1 (01:03):
I am? I am ready to take the field with
coach Walls. I'm inspired. I'm going to start a gay
club that he can be the faculty advisor of. I'm
going to.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Mow out of town.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
The Federalist is just going to quote John Fodor saying
I'm going to start a gay club.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yeah, I'm going to mow his lawn when he's out
of town. And I'm going to ignore the fact that
for the last eighteen years I've been a working politician,
because that's of no interest to anybody when it comes
to politics. As the vice president of the United States,
I will be America's best small town assistant coach.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Ever. Well, actually it's a pretty good definition of vice president.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
By the way, Well, you know you got to point there.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
I mean, he might have cracked the code. What do
what should you be doing a vice the United States?
You should be coaching Little League or something, or you know,
be as faculty advisor to some high school club.

Speaker 4 (02:13):
Hey, by the way, since you mentioned vice president, this
is something John and I both talked about back during
the Bearisma. I No, this's not on here. It's like
either a commentary or text or whatever. But like, so
you guys like talk to when I'm not around.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Lives outside of this podcast. And didn't we invite you?

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Didn't you know we had.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
I didn't get ye. Remember we were talking about on
the bat do you have.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
What do you guys?

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Wait?

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Wait, wait you guys, but I oh, I meant meant to.
I think it went to your junk like junk.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, like a kick in the junk what it is
club that John started.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
We were talking about how like these guys in Coazakhstan
or wherever they kept thinking. They kept talking as if
and so did all of the Republicans trying to get
the goods on Biden talking about the vice president being
the second most powerful politician in America.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Had the scam, right, that's right, I heard a scam
of the Biden crime family. Right, is that they seduced
morons outside the borders of the United States, and the
thinking that the vice president States had any power. It
was like I have my brother ten million dollars. Sure, oh,
here you go, here's ten million dollars.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
But we are very lucky we have the vice president
of the United States in our pocket.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
I've been hearing this about uh Kamala Harris all week
from like various sort of slate queen boosters. She's the
second most powerful person in America, and it's like she's
not even the.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Twentieth most powerful person in America. That's what's interesting. No,
it's it's like in every cabinet secretary has more power
than the vice president of the United States.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
Well.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
Also, it's not to get to encroach too far into
commentary territory. But Schumer this week did that thing again
where he talked about himself being the highest ranking Jew
in American history.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
It's just it's just the.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
Way he says it, like, yeah, like he broke he
was elected, he was he.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
Of the of Like he's elected by twenty six people.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Basically he's also he also says it, just which is.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
More than elected than elected Kamala Harris has had more
votes cast for him in the caucus of the Senate
than Kamala Harris as yet had cast for her in
a presidential bid.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
Yeah, but the cent a majority leader is not a
constitutional position, you know, like, uh, it's not in the
line of succession for the president. It's just this like
who says that the governor of Pennsylvania isn't a more
powerful sure politician or the governor of Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah, for that matter, I do.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Like it's the highest ranking Wow, that's you know, you
know I talk about Lemons lemonade.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
All right, can I just read you something from the
Times of Israel last night? This is so, of course,
as we're talking. There's still this fantasy that there's going
to be some kind of a ceasefire hostage deal that
is not going to happen, which has basically been pushed
by the Biden White House and base. What Israel has
done in responses to go, sure, sure, whatever you say,

(05:51):
Sure we agree, we agree with you. Let's make a deal, right,
because of course Hamas is not going to agree to anything.
But here is the lead of the Times of Israel story.
Prime Minister Benjamin Anaho spoke with US President Joe Biden
by phone on Wednesday's efforts to reach a hostage shield
floundered after recent optimism that breakthrough was in the work.

(06:14):
So remember that the reason that we had this optimism
is that, among other things, Joe Biden, in his speech
on Monday night, said I wrote a peace treaty, which
you know is like what he write the Treaty of Ghent.
I mean, I know he's old enough to have written
the Treaty of Ghent, but I mean he wrote a
peace treaty. Anyway, here's the second paragraph. Vice President Kamala Harris,

(06:39):
the Democratic presidential candidate, also joined the call. According to
the White House, During the call, Biden quote stressed the
urgency of bringing the ceasefire and hostage release deal to
closure and discussed up Timington, Cox and Cairo to remove
any remaining obstacle. The White House said in a readout
of the conversation, So why am I this up? Because

(07:01):
Biden is on some bullshit call with Nett Yellow and
she's saying we got to steal done, and Bibie's going okay,
and Kamala Harris is on the phone going we must
be unburdened by what has been and being again said
what is done? Because they're just trying to say, okay,

(07:23):
you know what, she's on the call. She matters, She's
really really important to this here.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
It's always the problem with the vice president running.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
You know who wasn't on the call, Kamala Harris. I
would wager money Kamala Harris was not on the call.
The way when you listen to the convention, then I'll
stop ranting. The way you listen to the convention. It's
like I've known Kamala Harris for twenty years, my friend
Tim Walls, and you know that most of these people

(07:56):
have literally never met each other. They're like doing the
duet with Frank Sinatra where they're in the other studio
singing the duet with Frank Sinatra, who was like lying
on a gurney because he is basically near death. They
don't know Kamala Harris. They don't know.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
They were at a conference with her once. That's usually
what it is. I've been friends with her since the
Democratic Attorney General's Association meeting that I had a twenty
minute speech I gave and then left. We both waited
for the same elevator. Yeah, yeah, And I was angry
because I didn't know who she was and why was
the elevator not just for me.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
I've told you, I told you, Yeah, I told you
as a kid that I got trapped at an elevator
with Art Carney, didn't I And I told this story.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
I can hear.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah. My friend Michael lived in the same building as
Art Carney in the elevator. He got in the elevator.
It was ten thirty in the morning. It was like
Christmas vacation. The elevator broke down. Arc Corney was in
the elevator. Don't worry, boys, Everything's gonna be fine. And
he was reeking of gin like at ten thirty in
the morning. So it's kind of sad. It's like that.
It's like, oh, then then I could then accept our

(09:03):
Carney's oscar. That's what this is like. It's like my
friend Carneys asked me.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
A lovely man.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yes, I feel that way.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
I feel that way. That two I had two encounters
and two people I don't really know. I mean, uh,
Jennifer Aniston and Jake Jillenhall. These are separate encounters. But
in both cases, I was waiting outside of a restaurant.
Jake Jillenhall story I think I might have told you
already is actually quite sweet. Is outside of the restaurant
in Malibu with my dog. We had just been going

(09:35):
to beach and so that I think it was heat
that I know she go the dog. I was wet
and kind of you know, and I was getting a
muffin and coffee, and Jennifer Aniston came up and said,
oh my god, your dog's beautiful. And I said, oh,
don't careful because if you get too close, she's gonna shake,
and she's covered in sand and seawater. And then Jennifer
and said, I don't care. And then she went up

(09:55):
to my dog and she was wasty to my dog.
That was our full, full, real personal encounter which I Ranison,
who I now, by the way.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Is one of your closest friends.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Love and adoor and I will I mean she she
really could do anything. And I'd say, let taste. Let
me tell you a story about Jennifer and Aison you
may not know, and then I'll tell them that. So
you know, that's that's how it happens. That is that's
how it's supposed to work. You know. The small I
had a friend who worked was an intern is a
million billion years ago for Senator Alan Cranston, who was

(10:24):
the Center from California for many years. Apparently truly a
loathsome character, but whatever. And his his job as an
internet was Kranton was giving a speech somewhere at one
of these DC ballrooms and he's get to give the
speech and then he had to go, and the elevator
was in the back of the room, right, so the
elevator opened up the ballroom. And his only job, my

(10:48):
friend's only job was at this point in the speech,
you need to press for the elevator and you need
to hold the elevator here because at the end of
the speech, the senator is going to walk down from
the ballroom, shake hands and then get in the elevator
and go. What you don't want is for him to
wait at the back of the room after the applause,

(11:10):
awkwardly waiting to leave the room. So you just got
a whole the elevator, which he forgot to do. And
so Grantson gave the speech and there was applause, and
it is the great and he made his way down
the aisle and he said he saw then he saw
on the senator's face that there was a problem, which
was that there was no elevator there, and he began
frantically pressing the down button, you know, like, and then

(11:33):
there was that awkward five minutes of course, where he
the intern in Cranston stood at the back of the ballroom.
As the person said, well we like to thank Senator
Cranston for the wonderful speech. To thank you again, Senator Cranston,
everybody took turned around quietly and then kind of waved
and smattering of applause. It was great. So I don't know,

(11:55):
I don't know how that was relevant, but it's made
me think what.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Horrible passive encounter of you had with somebody that is
incredibly memorable.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
I don't think we're going to go there a good
green room, have about.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
A good green room?

Speaker 4 (12:08):
Yeah, well, I have a good elevator story, which.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Well, so this will be the third elevator story.

Speaker 4 (12:15):
Yeah so, which is one of the most underappreciated Cold
War thrillers, the third Elevator. But the it's not about me,
but Alan Keys, Like we I love stories about bad bosses.
I'm kind of just certain kinds of stories I love.

(12:36):
I love stories about people who are terrible clients for
their lawyers. I always get entertained by that. And I
love stories of just really horrible self involved bosses. And uh,
this is a now thirty year old story. But back
in the days of what was it National Empowerment Television whatever,
I think Alan Keys had a show there.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
It was one of those things.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
And he and an intern are getting on an elevator
and Keys goes in first because he's Alan Keys, and
he's standing by the button panel in the elevator and
the intern is in the far corner of the elevator
and Keys turns to the intern and says that button's

(13:21):
not going to press itself because it was the kids
job to press the lobby button in the elevator, and
he couldn't be bothered even though he was closer to it.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
It's weird, though, that I sided with Alan Key. It's
a little weird.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
It's because you, Okay, that is an amazing That is
an amazing story. I I bad boss stories are are
in fact, utterly, utterly fantastic the best.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
I have so many John McLaughlin stories, but I don't
feel like it's my face to trap victim because of
what didn't happen to me. And I have plenty about
Robert stories. But Ben wasn't.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
It was he was.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
He was not a great boss, but he wasn't that
kind of boss.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
It wasn't maligned right yeah right yeah, something in a
bad place necessarily. Yeah. So, uh, this is a so
I made fun of Tim Walls. Here's what I was thinking,
Tim Walls. Coach Walls. You know, he had the he
had the the ex linebackers behind him at the stage

(14:29):
and so wonderful and he was their coach and all
of that. So a friend of mine, who was a
successful comedian, text me and said, when did it become
the case that we were supposed to stop hating the
high school football coach. Every nerdy person in America hates

(14:50):
the high school football coach John Goodman in the nerds, right?
Is the high school foot is the college football coach
who kicks the nerds there dorm right? I say it's
probably Kyle Chandler in Friday Night Lights.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
I think that's what That's what I would say, Yeah, maybe, yeah, okay,
But it is interesting because he's such a I mean
there's I mean, I would I would love to get
I mean, they didn't have them. If there are any
transcripts of those meetings where the football coach was sort
of asking inappropriately awkward questions to the gay kids, So

(15:25):
let me ask you a question, Well, which you want
to use the girlfriend? Which you want to use the boyfriend?
I just come, I want to know. I just know.
It was like, you know, just trying to be an
ally in this weird awkwardness. So if you worth hearing, so.

Speaker 4 (15:38):
I am my peeve and I may write about this,
so whatever. But Waltz has this thing. He's now said
it five thousand times. It's clearly his stump speech thing,
and it clearly polls. Well blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
I'm not.

Speaker 4 (15:53):
I don't even disagree with it on the merits. I
just think it's not actually true of his governing style.
But he said night in Minnesota, we have a golden rule.
Mind your own damn business. Now, if I was going
to list the states where that frame where, like if
you did a blind test and you say, okay, what

(16:15):
state has an unofficial model mind your own damn business?
You might say New Hampshire, you know, live for your die,
might say Wyoming or Texas, Vermont. You would not say Minnesota. Right,
that's the land of passive aggressive.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
Boy.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
You got a lot of.

Speaker 4 (16:32):
Groceries there, eh, you having a party?

Speaker 1 (16:36):
You know.

Speaker 4 (16:38):
It's like That's the thing about Minnesota is like it's again,
I am trafficking in stereotypes.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
I've heard from people to as, you're.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Not trafficking in Minnesota and Wisconsin have a call to
call themselves. Historically the two most progressive states yeah in
the country in the twentieth century, like the Progressive movement,
the Progressive Party was a party in Wisconsin. Robert LaFollette
the Progressive candidate for the Wisconsin's president right and Minnesota

(17:07):
was dominated for the first eighty years of the twentieth
century by a party called the Democrat Farmer Labor Party
that was the most left wing state party. Yeah. Culture,
I don't even know you believe mine's I know, culturally,
I mean.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
Like Scandinavians, like in Sweden. I believe it's still the case.
You can look up anybody's tax return on the web.
You can find out what your neighbor's made.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Right.

Speaker 4 (17:39):
It is just a cultural thing to be in each
other's business, and it's just not like mind your own
damn business. Is just not a Minnesota model?

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Is that using the word damn? Look I am I
am half Minnesotan. My mother was a Minnesotan. My mother's
family's from Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
You can tell you have that you kind of a
buncular folks neighborliness, your fondness, lyrificentater tots gave it away.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Oh you know, I say, I say Tennis Shua's and
I say, Pap, would you like some pop? Aren't twotoned?
I'd be really happy.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
We know you just moved in here to the to
the co op on the upper west side, but the
padorance is down the hall. We're having a kind of
a coffee cake thing. We'd love to have you join us.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Oh yeah, and you know what they don't do. What
my family didn't do was curse. They did not see
mind your own DM business. That all that sounds? So there?
I that is the accent. What are you talking about?
I'm not watching Fargo. That was the accent that my

(18:42):
mother strangled out of her body.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
You got you very Fargo Fargo.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
I was always very upset and my sister Ruthie, who
doesn't even better Minnesota, acts very upset that Fargo came
along because we were the possessors of America's greatest Minnesota accents.
And then the Cohen brothers from the Twin Cities came
along and made that a cultural phenomenon and ruined our bit.

(19:11):
It was like my bit I could slay with a
Minnesota accent, and then Francis McDorman and they all accents,
total sleigh. And yet then it became like, oh, you
just saw Fargo.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
It's like, yeah, well that does happen.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
That was my bit and they stole it, and I'm
still bitter. It's like thirty years later and I'm still bitter.

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Speaker 2 (21:13):
How come about? How do we not talk about the
roll call vote?

Speaker 1 (21:16):
The roll call?

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Oh yeah, I thought all.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
The states it was great. Was the best, was the
best moment, and I think in a convention that was
Tuesday night the best moment maybe ever at a political
convention in terms of the when they want to entertain you. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Also, was there the recreation or I actually say the
reinvigoration of that thing which I've always loved. The whole
point of the conventions is the roll call vote, because
every state gets to like wear a funny hat, and
Idaho the Potato state, and it's always great, and so
they kind of like they kind of adjusted it. I actually,
I mean I even say this about the r n C.

(21:53):
Was that after a year of the COVID I mean
or one cycle of those terrible COVID conventions which didn't
work and didn't seem you know, just seemed sad. It
was nice how easily everybody got back into the idea
of like a big, old, splashy convention. And I think
the great news about the innovations I think at the DNC,

(22:17):
which are two big ones. One is part and parcel
is that role call, which is that each one of
those role calls was a separate cool thing that you
can then clip and play and aim directly at people
in that state the way you. Nobody ever thought of
the conventions as a collection of bits and skits and

(22:37):
sketches that will then be replayed in little tiny snippets
over and over again across media. So that and that
actually was really good too. They put some time and
effort into it. I mean that Georgia one's going to
get replayed and replayed and played, and george is an
important state. Do we know what the hell happened to
Tony Evers?

Speaker 1 (22:55):
I was just about to say that was a very
That's the one thing that got really alarming was that
Tony Evers, the governor of Wisconsin, Yeah, had to read
this and he it was like he was having a Tia.
I mean that's what. At first, you and I both
had the same impulse Jonah, which was to think that
he was drunk. But it went on for like a minute,

(23:18):
and it was like he went like, oh God, because
he had all he had to say was like Kamala Harris,
I think, and he couldn't get it out. And I mean,
I haven't seen like the Wisconsin Press or something. But
that's always the problem when you have sixty people speaking.
One is you could have a moment where something bad

(23:40):
happens and like you know, somebody passes out or throws up.
And that was kind of as close to it as possible.
And fortunately for the convention it happened almost at the
very end, since Wisconsin as a w If it had
been like American Samoa and someone had seemed to be
having a stroke on stage, it would have cast a
Paul over the rest of the stroke.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
I just thought he just he just for one second
blank on our name.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
But it went on. It was like Rick Rick Perry quality,
and he went, Oh God. And then some guy would
say you can do it, Tony, you can do.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
It, Tony, and he said to that guy, I'll get there.
I'll get there get there.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 4 (24:21):
It was weird, but I did love the governor of
New Jersey. What was it He said, We're from New
Jersey and you are not.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
New Jersey. How do you have your vote? Everybody? I'm
Governor Phil Murphy. We're from Jersey, baby, and you're not.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (24:50):
Oh, and we also have to acknowledge that, I think
the paraphrase of Peter Suderman tweet, uh, some people have
a superhuman ability to come manned an audience and really
hold its attention. And some people are Kathy Hochel because
she was so friggin bad. It was weird how she
was worse. She was worse than the actual merits of

(25:13):
her badness. There's something she just gives off that is let.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
So, Kathy Okle is the governor of New York, and
she is an accidental governor of New York in this sense,
which is that she was chosen by Andrew Culomo. She
was a one term congressman from Buffalo. And Andrew Cuomo
shows her as his I think third, either his second
or his third lieutenant governor to run with him because

(25:39):
she posed no threat to him, little knowing that he
was going to have to resign because he was a uh,
you know, basically a totalitarian fascist and you know, was
what like No, he resigned because somebody ginned up some
sexual harassment charges against him that were pretty pretty weak,
but it was time for him to go. He everybody

(26:02):
hated him by that point. He goes. Hokeel comes in
and is so bad that she almost loses in twenty
twenty two to Lee Zelden, a Republican in a state
that has a three to one Democratic registration advantage. Zelden
came in I think within four points or maybe three

(26:24):
is close. And she is a terrible governor. She is
a terrible politician, and why somebody gave her a speaking
slot at all is one of the grave greatest mysteries.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
But they see that exist her a lot.

Speaker 4 (26:39):
Yeah, I mean, like they're just there are a half
dozen people who you would want.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
We're women.

Speaker 4 (26:45):
I mean it's not nothing a demographic thing, but like
there are better women in the Democratic Party.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Just terrible.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
I mean I know it was I thought it was
just a state they're going to win, so like, I
don't know they're going to win the state.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
And she's not up for office. She's not running until
twenty twenty six. It was a really weird choice to
have her that early and like having a slot she
wasn't in prime time.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
I guess, yeah, well who knows. I mean I watched it.
I mean I don't have a TV right now because
we're moving, and so I watched everything on YouTube TV,
which I'm a huge fan of. By the way, YouTube
TV is the best, and you can put YouTube TV.
You can have like watch four or five screens at once,
and so I was watching them all and the one
thing I was like, construct by not in the commentary,
but the speeches, is that nobody seems to tell these people, frankly,

(27:31):
what they should be talking about. And it's like every
there's like the there's the B team, the B List,
and then there's the A team. So you're not gonna
tell Barack Obama or Bill Clinton or even Hillary Clinton
or Michelle Obama what to say. They're gonna they get
they can do big think, right, Oprah can do big think,
But everybody else, everyone else is a co star. And

(27:54):
Kathy Hochel and even Pete buddhage Edge who spoke too
long and was boring. I thought, just you know what,
just talk about yourself. Just tell a story about you
and how you feel and what you how you come from.
Make it personal, because nobody wants to hear your theories
about decency and politics and America is a shining city

(28:15):
and nobody wants to hear that from the B team.
That's big thing. And I think that that's a problem
with all these conventions, and everybody thinks it's their time
to be you know, to write their own federalist paper,
and it's just there.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
There are two ways to run conventions from you know,
from the you know, in the back rooms. So in
one of them, you have a team of writers and
they are writing the speeches for everybody, and they give
them the speeches and they say, you want a slot
read this. You're doing the attack on Trump for being
a predator, You're doing the attack on Trump for being

(28:49):
a tax evator, you're doing the one on him being
a felon. And you hand them the speech and they say, well,
I want to work on it, and you're like, okay,
you go work on it. We're going to give your
slot to somebody else. And then they go, okay, I'll
just read the speech. That's one way. The other way
is that you change up the nominee three weeks before
the convention, and you don't really know how you're going

(29:11):
to do the convention because you don't know what messages
are going to be carried, and so everyone basically is
left find their own because no one even knows who
the convention managers are going to be and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
That's fine, you mean, the general division of content should be.
If you're not a star, you're not above the title.
And we already know who the names are above the title.
It's the nominee, it's the vice presidential nominee, their spouses,
it's former presidents and their spouses period, maybe Oprah, right,
everybody below the title. Just tell us who you are
and be personal, because that's the only thing people want

(29:44):
to hear from you. Most Americans don't know who Caathy
Hoche You is, so they don't care what she thinks
about you, know whatever. They just want to know who
she is and just tell a little story, fifteen minute
story about you, and that would be much better TV.
As I mentioned a couple of times, I am moving,
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Speaker 1 (31:37):
So in twenty twelve, which I think was the the
most the biggest failure of a convention was the Mitt
Romney twenty twelve convention. First it was start, it was
it was interrupted or it was delayed by day because
of a hurricane, so it was shortened to three days.
And then these two major things happened, and I I

(32:00):
am now going to trash talk Stuart Stevens, the former
Republican consultant who has now become a never Trumper and
a Lincoln Project person and is you know, grifting money
from morons who send the Lincoln Project money which they
spend ninety five percent on their own salaries and five
percent on some bad ad and all of that. Stuart

(32:20):
has been for weeks, been doing The Republicans are terrible
and they're doing this and how dare you say this
about He's having a fight with our friend Daan mcglachla
at National Review about something or other and he's like,
you don't know what you're talking about it blah blah
blah blah blah. So Stuart Stevens runs the twenty twelve
Republican convention.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
He a loot.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Chris Christie shows up, right, Chris Christy is the biggest
star in Republican policy. He's going to be the keynotor
right the first night the second night, so it ends
up being the second night he delivers the speech. Apparently
Chris Christy came and said, I'm going to give my
own speech, and Stuart Stevens didn't say give me a
copy of the speech, and Christy whatever. And then Christy

(32:59):
delivered his speech, and if you remember, he spoke for
twenty one minutes before he mentioned Romney's name. So this
is this goes against rob your theory that they should
just tell stories about yourself, because that's all he did
was talk about himself and it was a disaster.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Of course, I said, you know, yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Then of course two days later, Stuart Stephen's all excited
because he's got Clint Eastwood. He got big star surprise.
Clint Eastwood is going to introduce Met Romney, right Cline
Eastwood's backstage. Turns out Clinea doesn't have a speech, he
doesn't have a script, and Stuart is so starstruck that
he couldn't say to Clint Eastwood, here's your script, or

(33:38):
say it's really great to have you, but you were
trying to get a president elected, so we need you
to say this, this and this, and here is Clint
Eastwood saying there is like, could you get me a chair?
Get me a chair. This is two minutes before he's
going on stage. He says, get me a chair, and
steven says, get Clint a chair. And then Clint goes
out on the stage with a chair and does that
insane ten minute talking to the chair thing, and Stuart

(34:03):
Stevens standing there, the campaign manager of the Republican candidate
for president, throws up in a garbage cam because he
realizes what he has done. Twelve years later, he's giving
people sodden lectures about how politics really works and what's
wrong with the Republican Party. Do you wonder why Trump

(34:24):
took over the Republican Party because of that chair? That's
why you and your stupid chair. Anyway, the chair, the
chair bit. I maybe I knew this in forgat.

Speaker 4 (34:37):
Was it like a deep cut callback to like a
May and Nichols thing or what was the I don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
I think you're not you. It was more like you
don't you're not here. You don't answer questions. Here's what
I would ask you. I think I remember that something
like that. It had an internal logic.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
That you he was talking to Obama.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah, Obama, that was Obama with the chair. But the
idea you like will answer these questions, that's really not
a good idea.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Plint. You know what you know how some of your
movies are like Unforgiven, are really good. But you know
you also made every which way you can and this
is the every which way, but loose is good. Which
way you can is not good?

Speaker 2 (35:26):
That is not that the problem with Plinicewood movies is
not that they're good or bad, that even the good
ones are a little long. That he's just he is
a As he gets older, he has less of a pace.
That's that's anyway. I'm done any which way you can.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Was made in the early eighties, so the early he
would always anyway like, no, I'm sorry, you don't get
to do whatever you want to at a political where
the stakes are the highest and could possible. Least, he didn't.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Insist on bringing Sandra Locke up on stage with him.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Go ahead, make my day.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Now, she's really good. You haven't seen what you can do.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
All right, we should talk about something other than conventions.
In the little time we have left.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
You mentioned Barisma. Can I tell you a weird story
about Barisma? Because it's that, you know that company that
weird shaded rob story about this? Is this the intro
to an ad from Barisma? Yeah? Sure? So Hey, Hey gang,
I know you're you looking for millions of cubits of
natural natural natural gas drilling bits do block it's it's

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your natural your natural gas equipment solution promo code bloped
to get four more barrels of drill grease. I uh,
I had a pen in my house that I picked

(36:56):
up somewhere a pen, sort of a nice pan. It's
like a Parker pen, and it's a weird kind of tip.
It's like a felt tippy thing, but it looks like
a like a fountain pen. And I don't have it.
And I was like, oh, it's out of ink, and
I like pulled the thing out. I couldn't. I didn't
have it. I didn't have a replacement for this weird ding.
I never seen anything like that before. So I took

(37:16):
it to the station store across the street and I said,
you guys have a thing for this pen, and this
is what it looks like. We would go, oh, yeah, yeah,
it's the Parker five or something. I don't and they
found one. And as he's putting in the pen, I
realized that the pen has a it's like from somewhere
and has writing on it and it's from the and
it says uh uh National board meeting or Global board meeting,

(37:41):
Barismo Cypress and then has the name of the CEO
of Barismo, whose name I forget on it. And I
have that pen and I don't know. I'm pretty sure
I was never at the board. The board Bearisma board
meeting in Cypress. But I have if you are that,
if you are the dorm war, maybe if you're yeah,

(38:04):
if you're looking for the pen, if you're listening.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Maybe has Jim Jordan's has just.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
Mayor maybe it needed a new ink cartridge because Hunter
had unscrewed it so he could use it as a
straw cocaine.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Yeah, or he's just was snorting. You know. It's like
for all, you know, the way the way people used
to drink robotussin to get high. Maybe ink, maybe in
the ink can give you a kick.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
I think that that was I had a cousin, a
Minnesota cousin. My Minnesota cousin used to drink robotussin three.
He would invite my sisters who were like, oh, you
want to you want to have fun, Let's have some Robotussin.
I'm not kidding.

Speaker 4 (38:45):
That's a nice Ironically, Ironically, when you gave him a
hard time about it, what did he say, mind your
own damn business?

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Then he did swear.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Yes, yes, uh. You know, we're supposed to talk about
pop culture, but I think, Bob, I think you need
to do you need to talk about athletic greens or something.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
I should say speaking of under Biden, but I won't
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But you know, as you know, I am moving house.
I'm moving to Prince of New Jersey all places, and
it's kind of stressful. So but the place is empty.
So last night I went out and had dinner with
a friend of mine and I did have a little

(39:27):
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so this I may be, this may be too too soon, right,
Maybe you guys don't know about it, so friends of our.
Coppola has written director of movie called megoppol Meggalopa megop

(41:57):
meg and now I sound like the know the Governors. Yeah,
And he had a trailer that I saw two days
ago that was pretty great. The trailer, because it was
the first was kind of like it was almost sort
of Trumpian in its like bitterness because it started the
first five minutes of trailer are all about his past movies,
including the Godfather and Apocalypse Now and all the crappy

(42:21):
reviews he got. You know, this is a mess, this
is boring, this is horrible, And then the idea is
supposed to be that like the hey, reviewers, don't get me,
I'm a visionary filmmaker. They had to take it down
because some of the quotes aren't right. That some of
the reviewers were complaining, I didn't pan Apocalypse Now. I

(42:41):
didn't pan I think. I think the Variety reviewers said, well,
I did pan one from the heart, I did pan that,
but nothing none of the others right. And some people say, well,
look I panned The Outsiders. That was a terrible movie,
but I would would never but I praised The Godfather,
And I just love the idea that day, when you

(43:01):
can check anything so easily, they didn't bother to verify
any of this stuff because, and here's my theory, it's
because today you could also make these trailers so easily.
The actual cost of making that trailer was close to zero,
whereas when the cost of making a trailer was a lot,

(43:22):
thinking you had to get an editor, you film all
that stuff, you just naturally that checked it, because why not,
I mean, you may as well it's going to cost
you hundreds of thousands of dollars to make this trailer.
But if you're just some kid is doing it on
his computer and it costs nothing, then you don't bother
to check anything, even though checking it is infinitesimally easier.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Okay, So this is interesting you bring this up because
the minute that I saw the trailer. The minute that
I saw the trailer and I watched it, I texted
our friend Sonny Bunch, who is the film critic of
The Bulwark the Standard, and I was like, setting, something
is up with this trailer because the first quote is

(44:01):
from Pauline Kale, the great film critic of the New Yorker,
about The Godfather, and it says the Godfather has longers
or something like that, and I was like, Pauline Klee
wrote a rave review of The Godfather. And then I
went as I recall, and I went and looked it up,
and she said that this is an example of taking

(44:27):
pulp and turning it into high art. Far from being
an attack, it was a rave. And then they quoted
about Apocalypse Now the critic John Simon, who said this
is a mess or something like that, only it said
John Simon had reviewed this in National Review, and John
Simon was not the movie critic of National Review until

(44:50):
the nineteen nineties. He was the critic of another magazine
called The New Leader. And I said, these quotes aren't right.
Something's off. And then I remembered something, which is that
a friend of mine went to chat gbt and asked
them to write about ask chat gbt to write a
bio of me, and this bio quotes my quotes film

(45:15):
reviews that I've written, and none of them are real.
So chat gbt is a language learning system, it's not
it's not a search system. And so it did the
search to find out details, and then it somehow assembled
quotations from movies that I had never reviewed, quoting things

(45:37):
that I had never written. So my presumption is that
some PR, either some PR person or Coppola himself, being
eighty four years old, used chat GPT, which supplied him
with these negative.

Speaker 4 (45:51):
Quotes famous reviewers of these movies. That makes a lot
of sense to make. That is I've tested this. A
bunch of chat gypt routinely gets somewhere between twenty and
eighty percent of.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Quotes wrong.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Because it doesn't know how to push it is looking quoted.
Isn't what it does? It builds sentences based.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
On the prior word. Right now, I know what it does.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
My point is it's predictive language.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
It's not right, and it takes whatever the data set is.
So yeah, I just just chat GPT John pedorit's and
it says Minnesota native John poritsous for saying and ran
against you normal. Well, okay, okay, you know some of it.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
openI is a lot better than chatchipt when it comes
to the Minnesota subjects. And you know what, Rob, mind
your own damn business. That's all I have to say.

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Speaker 1 (48:32):
I was just gonna say, I really hope that our
people are people who listen to us and want Trump
to win, are preparing, are are stealing themselves for what's
going to happen to the next seventy days. I mean there,
they can go there all they want, but the last
three weeks have it should not be giving them confidence

(48:53):
that they're going to see the result that they are
hoping for in November. That's all I'm saying. Rob.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
And also the problem is that they keep it. It's
more and more obvious that the problem in that campaign
is the leader, the person at the top of that campaign.
You're gonna, I'm sure to rewrite history, you make it,
you know, C. C. Wild's ball or somebody else's fall.
But those are professionals doing their best job, doing a
job as best they can. The person undermining the effort

(49:20):
is the person they believe is the great leader.

Speaker 4 (49:23):
So it's the guy who wanted to bring the chair
out on stage rather than just give an endorsement. Exactly,
he is bringing the chair out on stage.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (49:34):
Did you see his tweet our truth social post? I
love this thing and like it's it's probably good. I
am not the editor of commentary because I would allow
myself to be distracted by these sorts of things in
ways that John cannot.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
It's the Josh Shapiro one, isn't it. It is You're
going to the Josh Shapiro one.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
I don't I don't even mind the stupidity of attacking
a governor of Pennsylvan any of a state you need,
who has a sixty one percent of ruval rating, or
beginning with the sentence the highly overrated Jewish governor of
the Great Commonwealth of Pennsilonia. Forget all that I don't
care about the dual loyalty, stuff about the Jews and Israel,
all that.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
It's this, he says.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
Yet Shapiro, for strictly political reasons, refused to acknowledge that
I am the best friend that Israel and the Jewish
people ever had. I have done more for Israel than
any president and frankly and frankly, I have done more
for Israel than any person and it's not even close.

(50:41):
So suck at Moses, Yes, suck king David hertzel Gurian hikers.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
You know, it's not even close yet all my years
of word I can't even say. Anyway, I'm sorry really
hard this morning at that.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
I apologize his So Jews make up two percent of
the population of the United States and make and okay,
so it's two percent, and.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
It feels like a lot. It feels like a lot more.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
There are four hundred thousand Jews and sixty.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Percent of this podcast, just so we're clear, sixty six percent.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Sorry Jews in Pennsylvania. So they Jews in a very
close election. Jews, how they swing if they really were
to swing and they could make it, could make a difference. No,
that's me, Rob, that's me as the gay club. I'm
only starting the game so I can get coach Walls

(51:45):
to be my advisor.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
I just want it now. Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
Anyway. Trump's obsession with the ingratitude of the Jewish people
toward him is another is a mark of his mania
or madness, because on the one hand, I understand it
and I a lot of people around him say it.
And I know people Jews who like him and are

(52:12):
grateful to him, who share this idea and believe that
it is madness for Jews to support the Democratic Party
and all of that. But it's really he's got bigger
fished fry. You know, he has an election to win
all over the place, and it's like he's like the

(52:32):
UN in the you know how fifty percent of the
UN's resolutions are about Israel, a country that has zero
point one percent of the population of the planet Earth.
And it's like twenty percent of his tweets are about Jews,
and Jews aren't supporting him enough. And I wish that
it were that important that Jews don't support him enough.

Speaker 4 (52:54):
And just, but it isn't yes per equal time, because
I know people are going to say Brillian syndrome. Jamie Harrison,
the head of the DNC, had a tweet the other
day a Monday night for Biden's speech, right, we showed
a picture of him shaking Biden's hand, where he said,

(53:15):
Joe Biden is the not one of, not among the
most consequential president in American history, and it's it's sort
of Trump like in the same way. Right, It's like
this need to satiate the egos of sad old men

(53:35):
is kind of amazing.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
I mean, like.

Speaker 4 (53:38):
I'd be hard pressed to find a serious progressive who
could make a case. I mean, unless your whole thing
it's some sort of caram thing where he kept Trump
from getting reelected in that matter, because we'd all be
you know, in camps or something, you know, which I
don't believe in all that kind of stuff. But beyond that,
it's like, go find a normal, fairly normal, serious, very progressive,
you know, intellectual and have them make the case for

(54:00):
you that Biden was more consequential than Barack Obama or
Bill Clinton or any Democratic president of our lifetimes, never
mind Fdr Lincoln wars.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Yeah, Madison Monroe. Uh yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Anyway, So I just.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
That is that that that is equal time I do. Here.
Here's here's the thing. I know again, Trump is pop
culture figure. So Trump is pop culture figure. One of
his people, Greg Price, puts out last night after Oprah's
speech a letter that they have like Oprah's letter to Trump,

(54:48):
because Trump sent her a copy of his book or
something like that, and she wrote him a note that
said I kind of got weakened the knees of little
Tierry because you were so kind about me. Thank you
very much, signed Oprah. Now I got to tell you
I wrote Oprah's a notewriter like George H. W. Bush
and I because I got a note from Oprah once
because I wrote a piece when I was the TV
critic at the New York Post saying for some reason

(55:11):
I had been watching her. I would didn't watch her,
but that I watched a week of hers because I
had an idea for a piece. And I had noticed,
this is nineteen ninety four, that she was radically changing
the focus of her show. If you remember, her show
in the early years was very salacious and it was
always about fathers raping their daughters and you know, crimes

(55:34):
and really and then she made this because she's such
a genius, she realized that she had run out the
string on that material and that it was things were
you know, like other people were moving up on her
in that regard, like Montel and others, and she decided
to go with this new age positivism, and she started
doing upbeat shows and how you know, shows about how

(55:59):
you could make your life life better and here's how
you can diet, and here's a great story. And I
wrote this seven hundred word column saying Oprah Winfrey is
changing her focus and this is pretty interesting. And at
a note, I get a letter. I get a note,
handwritten note from Oprah saying, dear John, I was very
touched moved by your column. I just want positive light

(56:22):
and the sparks of hopefulness and glory throughout the world
so that everyone can be their best selves and blah
blah blah, sincerely, Oprah Winfrey. Now I'm only telling the
story because clearly she set out time during the day
every day to write a note or two to people
who did something that she wanted to thank them for.

(56:42):
And she had written this note scribble dashed off this
note to Trump. Greg Price put it up, It's fine, okay,
because she had attacked Trump at the convention and so
so he wanted to show that she had once written
a nice note to Trump. But what he said was
every celebrity America loved Trump until twenty fifteen, when the

(57:04):
word came down from the Obamas that he was to
be attacked. Every celebrity in America loved Trump. Do you
know who loved Trump. Nobody, I mean, wrestling fans loved Trump.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Trump.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Love was not the word that you would associate with people.
People were fascinated by him, they were horrified by him,
they were compelled by him. Love was not the predominating emotion,
I would say, even even from Oprah in her extreme.

Speaker 4 (57:40):
There was a moment in the mid to late eighties
with the woman ring stuff where you would meet payn love.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Trump Okay, fair enough, yeah, because he said yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:50):
And actually what he did is he ripped off his
business partner by lying to him about it, said we'll
get equal credit, and the other guy did all the work,
and then he just took all the credit. But there
was a time when people were really in the Trump
back then, but that's been all that was over by
the mini It was a.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
Huge, huge star. I mean, the friend is a giant hit.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
But you can see where the it's so hard for
him to escape his own brain because when he needs to,
when when when his staff has to say to him,
this isn't working. You know, you got to focus on
you got it. We gotta go at Kamala's a vibes candidate,
so you got to cut the vibes and say, uh,

(58:31):
she's going to be a bad president because she was
a she was a vice president of a bad administration,
is going to be a bad president. And then he's like, okay,
I'll do that. And then someone goes, no, no, no,
you be yourself. You got to be yourself. Let Reagan
be Reagan. Let Trump be Trump. And then he goes
out and he's like, I know they want me to
read the teleprompter, he says on the stage, but I
don't want to. So I'm just gonna I'm just going

(58:53):
to go into one of my rants about how I
don't even need any new voters as long as they
don't steal the election.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
I gotta say, John, Yes, they're changing the subject. Yere,
This is me changing the subject, even if I mean,
obviously there are people in November. People, some people are
going to be disappointed. You know, you're gonna be very
bitterly disappointed by something, whether you're for her or whether
for him. Someone's going to lose and you're going to
feel and you're gonna be in despair, I think. But

(59:20):
I have a piece of Hollywood news that I think
will make that may actually make could could potentially make
everybody happy, and that is that the chicken fast food restaurant,
Chick fil A. And I'm not kidding. They are planning

(59:40):
to launch their own streaming platform, Chick fil A. That
you know, Chicken people are going to have a streaming service.
They are buying content. Now most of it's going to
be a family friendly all that stuff, a lot of
reality stuff, but they are there's going to be a
Chicken channel. Are you sure?

Speaker 4 (01:00:01):
Just just to be clear, are you sure it's spelled
the same way as the Chicken place and it's not
like a porn platform.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Wait, let me let me hold on, hold on.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Okay, first of all, yes, never mind me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
You know it was Chick fil A.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
It's I have many questions, have many questions. Number one,
will it be open on Sunday?

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Now that's a good question.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Yes, it's a streaming service. Well they shut it down
on Sunday. When they shut it down Chick fil A restaurant? No, okay,
really Chick fil A.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
So so there is a there is a there is
a future, right, there is a future. A Potentially it's
not gonna happen, but it is potential that we'll do
We'll do a glop a year from now and I'll say, hey, fellas,
after this glop I recorded slop, I gotta go work
on my Chick fil A show, And I'll be saying, like,
give me tell you that the executives a Chick fil

(01:00:56):
A are really good. They give good notes and they
give no notes on Sundays.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
You know, like like this is perfect for you because
now that you are entering the clergy, sure you are
perfect for a Christian screaming streaming channel.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Well they didn't say.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Family, okay, but they the dogs on Sunday so you
can go to so you can go to church. And
so I have never eaten a Chick fil A because
I because I keep kosher. So I gather it's the
best one, right, Isn't that everybody sounds the greatest of
all chickens.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Think it's overrated, but I might agree, Okay. I mean,
if you're gonna get a chicken sandwich, I think it's
hard to beat spicy chicken sandwich and Popeyes. Actually, honestly, okay,
I think Popeyes for chicken is fantastic. Yeah, really very good.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
But okay, so just similarly, for the record that people
say that it's great, Hue, it is good Okay, okay,
So you know, maybe this is an act of genius.
You have this very positively viewed brand and it has
a little culture war content so that people feel good

(01:02:05):
about it because they like its stance on faith. And
so it's like one of those that hall that beyond
Hallmark Channel channel that's like the Hallmark Channel, only it's
religious that Kirk Cameron's sister left the Hallmark Channel to
be an executive producer for so you get the branding.

(01:02:28):
It brings with it the social credit system of the
evangelicals and stuff. So like maybe they could merge with
the Hobby Lobby streaming channel.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Sure, well the Aventure will have to, okay because a
consolidation is going to happen and their big competitive be
the Panera Bread channel. That's going to be a big one.
All on is are they going to bring back Claymation,
Davy and Glass.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
You know what?

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Then here's you know what the porn one's going to
be and I the porn one is getting not clamation
The Wendy streaming channel is going to be a little.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Porny Yeah yeah, I mean kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Little girl like. Yeah, it could be like that, you know,
the one the Free one. The free one is going
to be cracker Barrel. That's gonna be just my My.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Wife will also keeps kosher.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
Was driving to visit our kid in camp in in
Wisconsin and was trying to find a Culver's. Couldn't find
a Culvers. Culver's the great It has the greatest milkshake.
Actually I think five Guys has the greatest milkshake, but
Culver's is pretty close. Uh, but couldn't find a Culvers.
And she and her friend and my wife of course
also a lifetime keeper of cash Rout, so she they

(01:03:56):
have to go to what they're starving. They have to
go to a taco bell. First time she's ever been
in a taco bell, and she was repulsed. It was disgusting.
And I said, the thing about taco bell that I
always liked when I lived in Arlington, Virginia there was
one right near my house, is that it was so
cheap that you could buy five burritos, and it was

(01:04:19):
like the more you bought.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
The more explosive diarrhea you had. Right.

Speaker 4 (01:04:25):
I've grown to like watch Futurama a bit lately. It's
on the Comedy Channel Comedy Network in the mornings and
when like Al Sharpton is talking on Morning Joe whatever,
I'll flip over to it because I have no use
for that. And one of the things they're absolutely brilliant about,

(01:04:45):
much like The Simpsons, are those establishing shot site gags,
like you know, with the what the sign outside the
church says in the Simpsons has got to We'll always.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Have a great joke and in that kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
Anyway, there was one on Futurama the other day where
the sign was, I hope I can get this right.
It's the Taco Bellevue Hospital having a normal sized baby
supersize it for forty nine cents more.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
That reminds me of and this this is really going
to date me. But The Far Side, which of course
was the greatest single panel comic ever.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
Best single panel comic ever made, but right for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
Yeah. So, so the the comic was It's like Mars
or something that sort of looked like the Jetsons, like,
it's you're an outer space and it's like outer space
Las Vegas and there's a sign and it says, you know,
the Mars Caesar's Palace. George Burns appearing nightly because of

(01:05:54):
course at the time, George Burns was like one hundred
and five years old and was still going on the
Tonight Show chewing on his cigar and being hilarious. And
that's like that Futurama, you know it was. It was
like some kind of that was a prediction of that
kind of the Far Side.

Speaker 4 (01:06:10):
There's the Far Side, which it's hard to describe how
it was drawn, but it seems plausible, where it's like
an incredibly old guy shaking inside of a suit that's
now too big for him, and the caption is suddenly
Dick Clark looked his age, the.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Other one, the other one, and then we're gonna stop
remembering Farsecco too. But was what you have this like
tribe in Africa or something like like a tribe in
the jungle and they're all running around crazy. They're all
carrying like televisions and computers and they're running to hide them,
and the caption is the anthropologists are coming. So anyway,

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Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
I'm late on everything. So you you guys may have
talked about this on a glob when I was just
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Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
That's an old show. Those things.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
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Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
I mean, I love those two guys, right, it's uh, David,
it's fun David Tennant and Michael Sheen, Right, And there
one's one like a devil and ones an angel. Is
that do have that? Right?

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and hell once devil's an angel and they kind of
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and so they're kind of on Earth kind of make
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I just thought, oh, this is pretty good. And this
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It's from twenty nineteen.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
Yeah, just so.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
But I thought there was a new season out, but
I guess there's not.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
Well I am. I am heartbroken because.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Look, the second season was released in its entirety on
Amazon Prime last year. So I'm only a year I'm
only technically a year late.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
Okay, So can we talk about this because the streaming
services are getting are are are getting away with something
that's terrible. It's not an HPO two. But like, so
Joe and I watched half of the Dragon. I know,
I know Robbie almost certainly didn't watch House of the Dragon.
So House to the Dragon that first season a half
years ago, and then and then it had its second

(01:10:05):
season just ended like three or four weeks ago, and
it was a huge hit. And I think we talked
about this, but the House of the Dragon ended by
concluding its eight episode season. It's like, and now it's
time for the war. Here are the flows and credits,
Like the whole thing builds up to the final scene

(01:10:26):
where they're all sailing off to start the big war
between the Targarian family houses, and then it ends, and
then we're gonna have to wait two years for it
to start up again. And they're being rewarded for this
because the show is a hit and so they're going

(01:10:47):
to make more of it, but it's going to take
two more years for it to come out. And now
we understand the genius of network television in the old model,
which is like you liked it, you didn't like or whatever,
but it was there. If you wanted to watch it,
it was there. They made twenty four episodes or even
thirty episodes in the early days, and then they did

(01:11:07):
repeats in the summer, and then it was there in September,
and if you wanted it, you had it. And now
they're playing this scarcity game almost and it's like, by
the time that show comes back, I won't remember any
of the characters. I won't remember anything that happened. Fine,
and it's like there's some kind of cosmic screwing going

(01:11:30):
on here, am I?

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
Well, their argument is the cosmet rooms the other way around.
The business model doesn't work. Unlimited content, all you can
eat it doesn't work. So they that was not their plan.
Their plan was unlimited. But now they realize scarcity is
the way to go, and that you'll want to see
the new season, but then you'll also think, oh, I
got to catch up any old season, And so you'll
always be either catching up or getting preparing to see

(01:11:54):
something new, so that when the credit card bill comes
every month, you'll never think to yourself, well, I'm going
to cancel it now, because you're always mid cycle something.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
But Joan, what I mean, do you care?

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
I don't even care. I don't care which one. I
don't care whether whether the blonde people or the non
blonde people win. I don't care whether whether whether the
red the nice redhead lady who made the mistake of
putting her son on the iron throne because she misunderstood

(01:12:27):
the leper husband and his and his ideas, or whether
it's the more regal blonde haired chick. I don't care
who wins. But I seem somehow to be forced, compelled
by my circumstances to watch this thing, and then we
have to bone up on it, and then it's gonna
be okay.

Speaker 4 (01:12:46):
So uh am I really like And this is a mild,
very mild spoiler of people if they haven't caught up.
The best scene where I actually rooted for a character
was the second to last episode of the second season
where the dragon just killed everybody and I was like, finally,
all these people are annoying.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
I don't like any of them. Y.

Speaker 4 (01:13:08):
Yeah, No, that's the fundamental problem with the show is
I wouldn't mind that they didn't get to warr yet
if I liked the characters. Yeah, but there's no likable,
truly likable characters in the whole friggin show.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
And that's just a or.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
Even so, they had a compelling villain character, semi villain character.
Blonde guy Matt Smith, a guy British actor, played a
character named Damon Demon. Basically first season was actually a
really good villain, complicated fun to watch. So they take
the second season and they stash him in a side

(01:13:48):
story where he's having hallucinations for five episodes talking to
one person, the actress who plays Sally Bowles right now
on Broadway in Cabaret and talking to Simon Russell Bill,
the great British stage actor, and that's it, and he's
not involved in the plot. It's like they took their
but it would be like you took Peter Dinklice Tyrian

(01:14:13):
and you stashed him in a monastery for an entire
season when all you wanted to do was watch Tyrian
on Game of Thrones.

Speaker 4 (01:14:23):
So I agree, it's amazing, but I'm still gonna watch it.
So we we we because I agree with you, August,
it has been a bad month for new content. We
started rewatching, uh, Silicon Valley from the beginning. Oh and
we're like halfway into season three, so you can start

(01:14:45):
to see on the horizon the show deteriorate.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
You know, it's coming.

Speaker 4 (01:14:51):
I don't think we ever even finished like season six
or whatever it was, because the guy's so bad. But like,
the first two seasons really are just great, and there's
just so much good stuff in there, and it's funny.
How now it's a little dated, because how could it
not be being about technology?

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
Right, yeah, in Silicon Valley.

Speaker 4 (01:15:11):
And I've completely forgotten that like cars, Swisher is in
it and all this kind of stuff. Oh yeah, some
of those kind of like weird easter eggs to it. Also,
when I first watched it, I wasn't a co founder
of a startup, and so there's all sorts of stuff
I have a new appreciation for. But uh, that's it's
pretty great.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
It is also, yeah, it is also historically, I think
I'm trying to think of another show. It is the
most conservative television show that's ever been made.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
Judges other shows, yeah, but this one was.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
This one actually was explicitly explicit or I should say
free market shows. The neighborhood Villain, you know, the neighborhood
Karen is a bearded hippie in a wheelchair and he ferrets.
He raises ferrets and he's like trying to use the
city ordinances against them. And then the argument they make

(01:16:08):
to him at the doorway is like the greatest pro
gentrification rising tide lifts all boats argument I heard. It
was fantastic. And then there's this very arcane it's not
really okay and if you're in the world, but if
you're not in the world, it's very orkaan idea of
like what they call liquidity preference, So who gets paid
and how And it's a it's a forty five second

(01:16:32):
explanation on a park bench and it is the most
concise explanation of venture finance and how how the how
a founder gets screwed that you could ever hear and
you could go to a MILLI you read it your
chat GPT. The heck out of it. You could just
that scene alone is probably what every founder should read.

(01:16:54):
Just watch.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
I mean, that is a great and it's finally as
an extraordinary It was just like, I don't know if
there was anything ever been an ongoing business satire.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
I mean about the gaming industry that started pretty strong.
It was called a wark wrap workuest something or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
Oh a mythic quest question. But it was yeah, it
was about it. It was about a giant it was
about a giant multiplayer game company.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
It was so close to being good and it just
didn't quite land it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
There was one good character, right, which was the f
Murray Abraham character, who is the novelist who has become
the agent. Yeah right, yeah, I just tried to come
up with the story. But it really it really it
really didn't work. And but it is really a Silicon
Valley is a very it is an unusual thing. I'm

(01:17:51):
heartbroken because today, as we're recording, this marks the final
episode of my actually my favorite streaming show of this
dreaming era on Paramount Plus, which is called Evil, an
evil important to Rob here as he as he enters
his spiritual life. Evil is a show about a shrink,

(01:18:14):
a priest and a techie who are hired by the
Catholic Church to investigate potential cases of demonic possession. Uh.
And there so there is a demonic possession possibility of
the week which always has a potential medical or psycho
psychological explanation or is in fact a demonic possession in it?

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
Is there in it? Who sort of Andrea Martin Martin
I've seen I've seen clips of this on TikTok.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
Andrew Martin plays a nun who is yes and Wallace Shawn,
whom I generally don't like, plays a priest like the
priest who runs the parish that our hero priest my
culture is like the associate the younger, the younger guy
in and the show has this sort of demon of

(01:19:08):
the weak thing, and then it has this very complicated
Rosemary's Baby like through line about a network of Satanic
worshipers and demons who are about to come together to
try to bring the world to an end. The villain
led by Michael Emerson who will be known to people

(01:19:29):
as Henry Gale or whatever his name was on Lost,
the villain un Lost if you remember the fantastic Villain
and Evil, which has had four seasons and is now
concluding tonight. Is an extraordinarily witty, clever, and unexpectedly touching
show that takes faith seriously, which makes it almost almost

(01:19:53):
without precedent in American television. As far as I can
tell you know what they should do.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
They should do all the subsequent seasons. If it is
in fact as you described, they should do the subsequent
seasons on Chick fil A. It does feel like good,
a good Chick fil A within the Chick fil A brand.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
Yeah. Uh, Jonah, Can I praise you because you have
been You have been like killing it on on the Remnants.
You have had great Remnant after after Great Remnant. You
have Fred Kagan today. I can't even remember the Mike Pesca.
I mean, I was fantastic this week. And uh, and

(01:20:33):
so that is a so people should be listening to
the Remnant as well as watching you on. I guess
you're not doing the DNC.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
They did not see an n kind of screwed me.
I'm free to say.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:20:44):
They asked me to block off the Democratic Convention, which
was fine, but it meant I had to scramble all
sorts of vacation plans. And then they ended up not
using me too late for me to sort of like
restore them. And if they just said they weren't going
to use me, I wouldn't mind it. But you know,
I kind of would like to be in Chicago. I
think it'd be kind of cool, But I'm not people

(01:21:05):
should write angry letters saying why isn't there more Goldberg.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
And uh.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
But the good news is I leave very soon in
the next couple of days for my sprinter van adventure
in the great American vastness.

Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
So wow, Yeah, I am excited for you.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
I'm excited for you to be able to say things
like when you're on TV, you know, being a punted tay,
things like let me tell you how it feels out
here in America, let me tell you how I But
at least when.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
Jonah does these drives, he literally he isn't just in
Des Moines at the Des Moines Hotel talking to other
reporters like you are like driving through somewhere I brought
up there was this amazing story about the bicyclist. The
cyclist who won the gold in the Olympics from Alaska

(01:22:00):
who had never ridden a bike, or had she had
been a different she'd been a rower at Harvard, and
then when she got out of Harvard, she goes to
New York. She starts going to a cycling club and
like seven years later wins the gold medal. And she's
from Alaska and her parents own a hotel in Alaska.
And Jonah was like, I've been to that hotel.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
It's a very cool location. The hotel.

Speaker 4 (01:22:26):
It's at the end of what they call the Homer
Spit and which is like this incredibly narrow basically the
size of a two lane highway plus a little extra
land way out in the middle of this bay in Alaska.
And the hotel is called a resort, which is generous,

(01:22:47):
but it's a really really cool location.

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
But I'm just saying, like, so you actually to be fair,
because you're making fun of the reporters who say I'm
getting the pulse, but you actually do, like go traverse
places that are not in fact on the beaten path about.

Speaker 4 (01:23:06):
Actually taking the Lincoln Highway. So my wife's going to
Alaska for a family and meeting thing, and then I'm
gonna she's gonna fly back to Denver, where I'm gonna
pick her up with the dogs in the van, and
I'm thinking about taking the Lincoln Highway, which I've never done,
which is the original national highway before the interstate, and
it takes a little longer.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
But where do I got to be?

Speaker 3 (01:23:27):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
And uh, I got you. This sounds like really great
content for Chick fil A, And everywhere I go, I'm
gonna tell people to mind their own goddamn business.

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
You rob you and you and Jonah need to go pitch,
you know. I mean, I assume what's gonna end up
happening is that Chick fil A is a nice company
and they will find some a person who goes to
a church in Beverly Hills and hire them to be
the CEO. And then it's going to turn out that

(01:24:03):
the church that they go to is a church of
Satan and they won't have understood that. Or you, maybe
you could be the head of the Chick fil A straight.

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
I would like to be the president of entertainment chick.

Speaker 1 (01:24:18):
I think you'd be great at it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
I'm qualified. Yeah, I'd be bad executive, but I'm qualified
to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
So Martini shot for you every week.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
Every week, every week. I took a few weeks off
of the summer. I'm back, so that's all you, that's
all you need know.

Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
And just just so I can put pressure on you
in public. Uh, you need to write your commentary column
before before you move to Princeton so that you can
get out of the way, because then you're gonna tell me.
But I'm moving and I got school starting and all that,
so I got to get there.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
I'll be fully moved before the columns. Do trust me,
I'll be I'll be ensconced before the columns. I don't
believe you.

Speaker 1 (01:24:54):
So you're really, really, you're gonna you're you're You're gonna
make me. You're gonna walk the tight rope again. This
is what you're saying. You're gonna walk the deadline tightrope
with me. I'm giving you a chance to avoid the
deadline tightrope, and you are not taking it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
Mind your own damn business. This is business, I forget.
It's literally what you should be minding.

Speaker 1 (01:25:21):
All right, And with that, we'll reconvene with Robin Princeton
and Jonah. Who knows, maybe Jonah will be on the
Lincoln Highway the next time we have a conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
Ephim.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
No, the gay club is okay. We've got a golden rule,
Mind your own damn business.