It's Business

This month GLoP is literally all over the place and time: the guys discuss a time traveling Podhoretz, Back To School, the curious courtship of Alan Bloom and Susan Sontag, the Oscars -- including Poor Things (they're not fans) and Killers of The Flower Moon (ditto), some little known productions of the Odd Couple and more.

Episode Transcript

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Are we rolling? Should I startthis simply? Should this be there?
This gold again? It's actually kindof like got gold yead and not gold.
Yeah, And uh there was aguy a bunch of people came down.
It's running Chris Christmas time. Soa lot of people there and we
used to go as a family andwe had other families we meet there and
stuff. And there was one guythere who was always trying to work.
You know that crowd. He's alwaystrying to meet people and like a network.

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And as you left, the placewas on Saint John. You had
to take a boat to Saint Thomasthe airport, and he was talking to
some guy. I guess he hadbeen chatting out for business. And as
he's walking there, uh he hesays the guy, we were like,
we're walking behind him. He saysto the guy, Oh, well give
me let me get your numbers,so uh so I can uh give you
home on in the city. Wehave munch, right, it's okay.

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And then he looks around. Herehave a pen and he turned to his
wife. He says, you havea pen, can be a pen.
I need a pen. Come onto be a it's business. He says
with his teeth bread business. Alwaysloved that. Like my brother and I
every now and then say that toeach other, like Hey, could you
can you hand me those pretzels?It's business, Hey, defense council use

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that blackboard. Yes, thank youyours. Ola. You should never assume,
because when you assume, you makean ass Hey, we're closing on

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the end of January. And thisis glop culture on John Punwar. It's
in New York. Elsewhere in NewYork Rob long I Rob Hi John,
And in Washington d C. Jonaon Goldberg, Hi Jonah, Hey John,
guys, I think I sent youthe other day the single greatest discovery
I've ever made on Facebook. AndI have a bunch of bunch of all
these like weird show busin nostalgia groups. Yeah, and uh. There's a

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guy named Cliff Nessarof who is ahistorian of comedy Canadian and he just did
he finds things you can't possibly imagine. So he finds this thing. Somewhere
in Ontario in like nineteen seventy,the McMaster players a production of The Odd

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Couple, and there are these twopictures of these two guys that look dimly
familiar but very very young and itis Eugene Levy and Martin short In the
Odd Couple Wow in nineteen seventy theMcMaster players in Ontario. Now, there
are many reasons to want there tobe a time machine. Many things you

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would like to see that are tradedup. Maybe you want to see the
Battle of Agincourt. Maybe you wouldwant to see, you know, the
parting of the Red Sea. Thereare all kinds of things you want to
see. I myself, I focuson the these minuscule moments in pop culture,
Like I would love to go tothe production of The Odd Couple in

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the McMaster auditorium somewhere on Tario withMartin shortyar the jam Levy what year Now,
it's weird. I was alive innineteen seventy, So I think if
I went back on a time machineto nineteen seventy to do that, I
would create that temporal anomaly that wouldblow up the universe because I would be

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in two places at the same timein the same Well, you don't visit
yourself. You can't visit yourself.You can't if you can, if you
can be in the same timeline atthe same time, what does it matter
whether you can visit yourself or notthe temporal anomaly has happened. I am
not making a point of physics.I am making a point about the rules

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of virtually every sci fi and contentmovie, right, is that it's fine
to go back in time, butyou can't interfere with yourself. That's all
right. Interfere with yourself is likeanother of a fantastic euphemism, because if
you could go back in time,you would it would be interesting to you
know, yeah, to interfere withyourself. Just with that, I don't

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even know what that would mean toHey, let me tell you something I
think you'd say. I think youyou would say something like, you know
that moment that you went up tothat girl at the high school dance and
you asked You're there's going to bea moment five years from now you're move
up to a girl at the highschool dance and you're going to ask her
out, and she's going to laughin your face, and it's going to
haunt your nightmares for fifty years.Okay, Like you know, Elizabeth Krueger,

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don't go up to her, Okay, because then you're not You're not
like changing history. You're not doinganything except sparing yourself pain, right,
just don't you. So you're you'regoing to use the technology that life universe
changing technology of the time machine togo back into time and inspire yourself to

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an act of cowardice. No anact. Don't do that. No,
no, no, no act ofan under prudence. Not go back and
say, hey, listen, don'tlet moral self care is what you're talking
That's what I'm talking about. Iam saying that I love myself enough to
spare myself unnecessary pain that has nogrowth element to it whatsoever. So I

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really I don't want to. Idon't want to overly pick it up the
scab about like do overs with femalesand stuff. But if I were to
go back in time there, minewould be more of the Remember that girl
you asked out and she said yes, but you didn't think she really wanted
to, and so you didn't goout with her, and then it turned
out that she really did want youto go out with her, and you
blew that opportunity. I would say, follow through on a bunch of those

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kinds of situations that I got myselfin back. Yeah, which is a
little different, But yes, Igot a question but no, but but
see, then you could materially affectyour timeline. You really could. All
you're doing here, it's like,you know, there's a there's a there's
gonna be a crack in the sidewalk, and you're gonna trip and skin your

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knee, and I just strip overthe crack in the sidewalk, and then
you won't skin your knee, andthen you won't have Scarberry Like you'd still
come back in the world to bepopulated by dynasas because you because you did
something to fly people, because youdid something to a butterfly. If you
did, I'm going to assert Idon't you know, I don't like to
feed your ego, but you aremore consequential than a butterfly. And if

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I went back in time and sparedyou a blow to your ego in some
way, blow to your vanity andyou became a more confident person, heaven
forbid, who knows? Who knowswhat could happen to the world. So
you're saying you could be in thefourth term of the putt Arts administration multiple

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multiple time. I just love theidea that you're going to use time machine
technology instead of to go back andstrengthen yourself and tell yourself, you know
you're all right. I know you'regonna feel bad about this, but you're
all right. You've got a lotgoing for you got a big future head.
Instead of that, you're gonna say, okay, this is an opportunity
for you, just just a cowerto hide. Do not get your neck,

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because if you never believe yourself thisthis person, old person shows up
and says you're gonna be all right, and you're like, well, who
the hell are you? And yousay, well, I'm you and you're
like, I don't how do Iknow I'm You're you? You could just
who the hell are you? Butif you just say, look, there's
gonna be this moment where there's thisgirl, you're gonna just don't do it.

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Literally the saddest time, frankly,but anyway, no, because you
can't. You don't know what theconsequences of strangling baby. You don't know
what the consequences of positive interference mightbe. That's what I'm saying, Jonah,
you just said you don't want tostrengthen me because God knows what I
might do. I'm just saying,spare yourself a little, a little curious

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little multiverse stuff which would show thatyou wouldn't actually change your future, you
would create a new one. Butanyway, that's fine. I have a
question. I assume Martin Short wascast as Felix. Well, I don't
know. First of all, MartinShort has ended up a really superb theater
actor. He won a Tony,He's a he was a comedy star in

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the nineties. He did this showLittle Me. He was amazing. He
was in The Good By the musicall Eugene Levy. I don't think no,
I'm just saying I don't know,because I think Martin Shark could have
been either. And if you lookat the pictures, either of them could
have been either. It's very hardto tell. Well, it doesn't nineteen
seventy, Yes, I think it'sbetter to say in nineteen seventy neither one

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was much of an Oscar. Theboy could have played Felix, but neither
the Oscar was Jonah and I Jonahin alternate universes and my universe. Actually
I might have come pretty close hadI taken a different path. Jonah and
I were clearly Oscars. We wewe were, we are, we have

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the me and we have the formWalter math had I had. I actually
pulled the you know, pulled thetrigger and tried to be a serious actor
and try to make you go thatis a career, which was something I
thought about very deeply in my lateteens. Walter Mathow was my model.
So I certainly yes, So youwould go back in time to tell yourself

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to spare yourself the lifelong humiliation andmortification of the one moment rejection. One
rejection, and you're there and thenwithin I really, how long does this
po get going on? Within thirtyseconds, you're saying, I kind of
want to be an actor. Doyou understand just the amount, the sheer
amount of rejection. Well, whydo you think I didn't become an actor.

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I literally, in my life teens, I said to myself, in
my late teens, I'm going tobe a writer. That's a given.
I'm going to face rejection. Ihad already started doing things like submitting short
stories to The New Yorker and gettingrejected. I can't have two careers in
which I'm going to be rejected ninetypercent of the time. That would just

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be soul killing. But I amsaying that I think we're kind of Oscars,
You're kind of a Felix. Thisis the backstory Rob. Rob is
a little bit of a feeling Rob. If you were in the Odd Couple,
would you be Felix? Yes,yeah, I think so. I
think that's that's I would think Iwould prefer to you. I mean,

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which which part would I prefer toplay? Or which part do I play?
In real life? So I'm notterribly neat in real life, but
I think a great story is thatWalter math Now Neil Simon sends waltermouth at
the Odd Couple and Simon and hesays to Simon, you know, I
love this play. I really wantto play Felix. And Simon says to
math owt Walter, act on yourown time. You are obviously gonna play

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it is it is a fantastic story. So, and so I'm saying,
I don't know who you are inreal life. I mean you're not.
I wouldn't describe you as like fastidiousand antal, I mean unfortunately not but
I but but you are I wouldsay you are Okay, yeah, I
agree with that. With that,okay, so maybe we should do that.

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Maybe we should do a glot andthen you and I could be Felix
and Oscar and Jonah could be Murraythe cop. What do you think?
I don't know Murray the Cop.It's a good part, particularly on the
TV show Murray is a great part. Yeah, oh yes to the TV

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show is stick his nose into theyou know, to the the greeting hole
on the door. When you couldlook at the door, you called it
greed. Remember what what do youcall that? You know? The thing?
John, I know, I know, I know. It's not a
greeting hole. I literally didn't haveone on my door. But it used
to be in New York apartments whohad this little round thing and you would

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pull it up and you could lookout and there's a yeah where someone rings
on the door and you know,wearings the doorbell and feel that. You
know. Oscar goes to get thedoor and he opens it and he says,
who is it? And then thisnose appears in it, so they
know it's it's Murray, Murray theCops. You don't have that kind of

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SNAs. You don't have that kindof none of us has, none of
us. I think I think youget you a I could be speed a
prosthetic. You could be speed.I'm kind of speed on this podcast.
I'm constantly impatient with you guys,like why can't we get back to the
game kind of thing. Yeah,that's that's sort of more of my speed
speed. But since we're talking aboutcasting and or miscast, So the other

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day I'm I catch Back to Schoolon TV, which I love, right,
the Rodney Dangerfield movie, and andI literally say out loud to myself,
the kid, the kid who's cast, the guy who's cast as the
kid is the worst past actor inmodern cinema. And then like yesterday or

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today, my friend Doug Anderson textme totally out of the blue and says,
for no praier reason, total nonsecretary, and says, you know
the kid that they the guy theycast as the kid, and Back to
School is the worst casting decision ofAmerican cinema. So like it was just
like this weird serendipity, and Idon't think there's ever been a character worst
cast. Imagine this in terms ofthe casting of Back to School, such

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which was directed by a guy whonever did anything ever again, I think
his name was an Alan Mettter orsomething like that, so who knows who
he was he probably didn't really directit right. But so they bring in
all these young actors, which meansthey're all up for any part. That's
how that's that's like, you know, it's like you can have him for
this that it's like when they werecasting a Godfather and everybody read for everything.

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So who's in the supporting role andback to school is Robert Downey Jr.
Who plays the friend. Robert DowneyJr. Could have been Rodney so
well, the idea is, ofcourse, sensationally good actor no matter what
the idea. The idea behind that, of course, was that you wanted
a nerdy guy that that needed.It was a contrast to Rodney and there

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was a little bit too much offbeatcool to Robert Downey Junior at the time.
I mean, I mean Keith Wortonactually ended up becoming a pretty good
director. That's kind of where hewanted to be anyway. But it was
a hard part to play. It'dbe a good ad because it has one
of the worst lines of dialogue inall of cinema. Tread carefully, counselor

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it's one of the worst life asat the For some reason, it's it
suggests that there's a university on Earthin which the diving team is whatever he
turns out for, like, ohmy god, you go to a big
diving meet and of course there's abig bully played by the young actor who's
always playing the big bully. Andhe turns to I, right, what

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the setup it? Hey, that'sthe star of Cobra Kai right, right,
it's right. And he turns toBill starts the shirts of Keith Gordon
and he says something like your fatheris just an embarrassment and a loser and
a jerk and he's a failure.And h Keith Gordon says, well,

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you know what, I happen tolove the guy. Yeah, Like,
how are you gonna like wa gihim on? I came on, you
could be I don't know. Danielday Lewis couldn't sell that line. It's
not his fault, so I wouldn'tblame him. But your story before you
want to see Billy's, I've gotto take the back of his head and
drown them in the pool. Yes, yeah, in the yeah, during

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the big diving the big intercollegiate divingmatch. But the story of Rodney goes
crazy. There's a great story aboutthat, but somebody, uh. At
some point they sent the script toJerry Belson, who was a great a
great comedy writer, and they wantednotes on it. And it was a

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different kind of a different movie inwhich Rodney it was the same kind of
Rodney Datsfield character, except he waslike a just a plumber, you know,
when he's going the plumber goes backto help his kid deal with the
snobs. And the script didn't workand so Rodney so Jerry had three words,
three three word billion dollar note,which was make Rodney rich and change

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the whole movie around. But eventhen, it's like, but if you
see the movie, what I loveabout it, it's just how incredibly how
they just didn't even think about makingit real. It was like Sally Kellerman
plays the the English professor who lowersthe drugs of the poetry and the movement
everything, and then her her boyfriendis uptight your thought and Monuscule the third

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he's some kind of professor and hedrives out like a weird kind of old
tiny kill bear cat and ned Batyis one of ned Baty's single greatest roles
as the President because because he's notbut yeah, because he's not playing like
a backwoods guy or like a slob, right, And there is that grade
line. It's like, I can'tbelieve that you're allowing this school to be

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sell out to this kind of vulgarity. And then that baby says, well,
in all, uh, in all, it was a very big check,
and thinking about thinking about what whatthe presidents of Harvard, ken m
I T and Columbia I've done totheir schools. It's like, please tear

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up the very big check. Butthen later when there's the there's still pushback,
and Baby just says, I reallydon't think you're appreciating the amounts involved.
Great, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just love the guy that
they're just like they You could justsee they had no time for you know,
no one in the room or inthe story conference that you know.

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I really want to know if wecould activate that character a little bit more,
maybe dig a little deeper. Hejust seems like he's riding around in
an expensive antique car with it he'swearing plus fours all the time for some
reason, and goggles. I thinkhe's goggles and his bearcat. So but
yeah, but my point is,like every character in that movie, you
watch it and you just enjoy seeingthem on the screen, except except for

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the sun. Right. Yeah,my friend whose roommate in college, they
went to Emory and Kurt Vonnegut cameto speak at Emory, and then there's
this long line for everybody to signSlaughterhouse five or whatever, and he brought
the vhe to schoolsool. But thegreatest, the greatest joke in Back to

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Schools, of course, the KurtVonnegut writes the paper on Kurt Vonnegut and
he gets a bee. Yeah,he gets a be. Do you know
nothing? If I would, Iwould like to like I would. I
think I would want to have thatmet a moment, the kid in line
at Emory with the vhs of backto School and then some plummy, you

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know, monocled professoration. Don't careyou bring that ridiculous video cassette to this
literary event. How much? Howhow circular, how you can make the
how many you can get it?How yeah, how you can follow it?
Follow it back? You know?I told speaking of college apropos nothing
and not my own college. Ifinally told this story on the commentary podcast.

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I'm going to tell it here becauseI think it is so hilarious something
that Alan Bloom, who was myprofessor at the University of Chicago, and
of course became a world famous asthe author of the Closing the American Mind.
And then you did the Tripley.But that's a different story. Yeah,
yeah, no, no, no, it almost killed him. It
almost killed him, the Triple Lindy. Anyway, So Alan Bloom was a

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professor of political theory and and politicalphilosophy and taught Plato and taught Rousseau and
translated both of them and all ofthat. And he was a very colorful
character, gay, barely in thecloset, very flamboyant in his own way,

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and chain smoker. And he wouldalso he would he would he would
wear these thousands of dollars suits andthen he would drip ash on them and
burn holes in them and stuff likethat. I hate talk like this.
And he was very compelling and veryfunny and very he told the story.
He was a kid at the Universityof Chicago in the forties. Chicago had

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this crazy Charlotte and president who wantedto bring brilliant kids who didn't need high
school right to campus, right tocollege. Why were they wasting their lives
in high school. He would takethem, pull them out of tenth grade,
bring them to school. They werethe young scholar, young geniuses and
lead the world. And Bloom,who was from I think Cincinnati, was

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one of them, in the firstclass of these like Chicago geniuses, and
Susan Sontag was another. Wow.So Susan Sontag and Awn Bloom were freshmen
together at the university. They're bothfifteen years old, right under age the
Epstein's island but uh, the electversion right. Well, so Bloom told

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this story and he was not outof the closet yet, so, but
of course Sontag was. Sontag wasknown to be a lesbian by this point,
though she had been married to thisfamous professor, Philip Reef and had
had a son, but she wasby this point servant out lesbian late seventies.
I guess when he told me,told the story, and and people

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who knew Blum and I knew hewas gay, but he didn't say he
was gay. And Ballah, sohe's like, well, I you don't
know this, but not my firstdate was with Susan Sontag. So I
said, really, your first daywas with Susan Sondag. He was like,
yes, well, we we wentto we went to a dance together,
and we were at at the danceand I said to her, do

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you want some punch? And shesaid yes, I love to have some
punch. So I went over toget punch and I came back and there
she was dancing with a girl.She was dancing with a girl, and
I thought we were But that wasthe first time I didn't know that girls
could could dance with girls. AndI guess that was Susan expressing her true

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feelings, and of course Blew himselfwas so I just loved this idea of
Alan Blum and Susan Sontag closeted gayand closeted lesbian teenager is on their first
date together and then you know shecan't even like hide it for forty five
minutes. That's why, though,if I were blueing, I would go

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back in a time machine and say, you know, when you asked Susan
Sontag to the dance, don't dothat. Maybe for a great story,
Maybe you don't want to do it. Maybe the date though, was so
terrible for both of them, theyboth decided, you know what, it
doesn't work. It is not forme. This is not for me.

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That's how bad it was. It'ssort of like that movie with Geene Walder
and Richard Pryor where one's blind andthe other one's death. It's meant el
what's a great movie. I rememberseeing Hearing No Evil and there's a moment,
there's a there's a huge plot flowon it, and I only remember

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it at that moment. What happensnatual Pocket for a while. Here's why
you'll understand why what I tell youwhat it is because I don't remember the
plot. But there's some moment atwhich it becomes clear. I think Prior
is the blind guy. I believehe's the I believe he's the blind guy.

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Yes, okay, And like there'sa there's a thing where he and
he and wildraft to get out ofsome predicament or something, and for a
minute you can see that he cansee. He like does something that a
blind person couldn't have done, Likehe turns a corner something like that,
and everybody in the theater went,oh like that, Like a hundred people

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were like, hey, wait aminute, I thought you said he was
blind, you know like that?So so that's all I remember except that
Kevin Spacey was the villain. That'swas the villain in that. Really Wow,
it has one of it has.That's actually great. I don't know
if I ever have I ever We'vetalked about this joke already. This is
great joke where they're driving somewhere anduh, for some reason, Richard Pryor

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they're arguing over who's blind, who'sdeaf and what that really means? And
Richard Pryor says, are you sureyou're one deaf? Like if somebody yelled
really loud in your ear, hasanybody ever done that? And want to?
Says I'm deaf? Okay, no, no, no one's ever yelled
in my ear, but no,I'm deaf. And then Prior says,

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well, is it okay if Itry it? And he goes, yeah,
you can try it, and thenRicher Pryor yells as loud as he
can into Gene Wilder's ear. Canyou here this? Yells at screeps,
and then Gene Wanter goes, wait, do that again? He does it
again because oh my god, Ithink I heard something. To it again?

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Does it again? Juny thing?I think I think I heard something.
I think I heard something, andRichard Price really heard something, and
you want to turn it to themwith venoms is No, I didn't hear
anything, You stupid, And it'sgreat, it's cool, good times.

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(29:47):
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it's empowering, and I didn't thinkit was funny. And I really hated
it, and it got nominated foreleven Oscars. But I saw Killers of
the Flower Moon and despised it,I mean really despised it. And now,

(30:36):
why didn't you despise it? Well, so look, I haven't read
the book, but my wife readthe book. A couple of my colleagues
read the book. We did aDispatch book club about the book. It's
supposed to be a fantastic book.It's a thriller. It's kind of a
who Done it on page turner?And first of all, it was an
hour too long. But second ofall, you know who the murderer is

(30:56):
in the first thirty minutes. Andthere Look, every movie, there are
lots of movies where there are somescenes that could have been in a different
order, But in this movie,it's like eighty percent of the scenes you
could have just thrown up in theair and put it in the reverse order
and it would have been the samething. Oh, another Indian got killed.
That's sad. And the main character, Leo DeNardo Leonardo DiCaprio character is

(31:23):
a terrible character who, like we'resupposed to believe, both loves his wife
and wants to kill her and wenever really get what's what's unbelievable about that?
And uh yeah, and it basicallyit, you know, like it

(31:47):
takes. I have no problem withmovies to tell us that white men did
bad things in America in the past, but like I've you know what,
you know what, I've heard thatbefore. And so if you're going to
make a movie, pret you couldget three and a half hour long movie
with basically no character development. Allof the characters are unpleasant to watch,

(32:10):
you know, the the Native Americanlady, she was a good actress,
did a good job, but she'skind of yeah, but you know,
root you only root for her becauseshe's kind of pathetic and sad and and
and a victim. There's no oneto root for. There's nothing to root
for because you've or to like,I wonder how it's going to turn out.
So it's just it's just it's likea plane circling an airport where the

(32:34):
captain is just keeps telling you whitesupremacy is bad, capitalism is bad,
America did bad things, and it'slike all right, you know, but
like this is not entertaining. SoI saw it, and here's my thought
about it. First of all,all we ever hear about it is,
Oh, Martin Sca say he's amaster. It's such a master. The
man is a master. He isthe master. Now he has more Oscar

(32:55):
nominations than any living director, andhe's a master. And in the last
third of the movie there's a trial, and it turns out when they start
cross examining people that there are threedifferent geographical locations in which the story is
taking place. Three different towns,have three different names. I did not

(33:17):
know that until three hours into themovie that they weren't all living kind of
like within three blocks of each other. And there's this whole thing about how
well, we can't arrest him herebecause he's in Pixley and he's not in
Petticoat Junction, and they don't establishthat Pixley is over here, Petticoat Junction
is over there. It's like elementarystorytelling one oh one, where you say,

(33:43):
these people live here, these peoplelive here, these people live here,
and the people that live here aregoing to do something. People will
live over here, then they're goingto go back and hide over there.
And so, first of all,I thought it was incompetent exactly what you
describe, which is the scenes arein kind of weird order. DiCaprio is
literally twenty five years too old forhis part. He is playing a returning

(34:05):
World War One veteran and he isforty eight years old. Yeah and so
and she's I don't know how oldshe is, lily glad some of the
places. But he's supposed to bea pretty boy that she in like a
sex object for her. And granted, Leonardo DiCaprio is a very a movie

(34:27):
star and a very good looking guy. But I didn't see anything like this
since since like James Stewart at thebeginning of The Man Who Shot Liberty Balance
is supposed to be like twenty threeriding out to the West for his first
posting, he is like sixty yearsold. And you know, john Ford
is so old he didn't even likethey couldn't even figure out makeup and now

(34:50):
you could dage people and stuff likethat. But DiCaprio just looks like he's
like closing in on fifty. Yeah, just back from the war. You
know. It's like, are youkidding me? And he wasn't supposed to
play that part. That's the greatstory of the movie. The great story
of the movie is they were goingto make the movie as as David Granton's
book is written, which is it'sabout the foundation. The founding. One

(35:14):
of the founding events of the FBIwas an investigation into this this death spree
in Osage County in Oklahoma, thatan agent named Frank White was sent out
to Oklahoma to investigate and figured outthat these that this family mafia was marrying
and killing off women who had landrights or oil rights to lands where oil

(35:40):
was located, and they were seizingthem essentially through marriage and then killing off
the women. And this was suchan amazing feat of investigative brilliance that it
may helped make the FBI. Andthat's the part that DiCaprio supposed to play.

(36:00):
And then literally Black Lives Matter happens, and he and Scorsese look at
each other and they're like, we'retelling the wrong story. We're telling a
white savior story. We can't tellit. We had to tell a story
about the viciousness and monstrous behavior towardthe Native Americans, and therefore we have

(36:22):
to turn this around not introduce theFBI until like two and a half hours
into the movie. And then Leo, you're still the lead, because you're
the reason we can sell the movieto Apple for two hundred million dollars.
You have to play the villain who'san idiot, unattractive character and uninteresting,
and he's like okay, And themovie is then rewritten, yeah, into

(36:46):
this story about a moron and hisvicious uncle doing terrible things to these o
sage women that they also supposed toare supposed to like for three and a
half hours. Yes, it's adisgrace. The other thing that I really
resent, right because there are alot of people there's a cult of Scorsese,

(37:07):
and scorsesees made some great movies.I think he's made a mistake and
putting DiCaprio in like seventy five percentof them. But that's another story.
Remember the Seinfeld where Blaine just rebelson the fatwah that everyone must love the
English patient Patient. Yes, everytime DiCaprio comes out with the movie,

(37:29):
not the Dicabrio. Wh every timeScarcese comes out with the movie, I'm
told in advance I have to loveit or I don't know anything about film,
and I resent it and the wayhe lobbies and does these media campaigns
to get an Oscar nominations and toget Oscars. It just feels like manufactured
consent. It feels like sort ofcultural bullying, and I resent it and

(37:52):
it makes me dislike some movies thatI have to watch like years later and
without that resentment hanging over me tolike finally like like a little bit more.
Well, my favorite party, bythe way, is ahead. Sorry.
Sorry, My favorite part of itwas just the the announcement and the
Hollywood Reporter. The original version ofthe original paragraph of Holly from the Hollywood

(38:15):
Reporter before they changed it when theyannounced that, like Lily Gladstone was nominated,
said, Gladstone is the first actingnominee who hails from people indigenous to
the land now occupied by the UnitedStates. Occupied by the United States.
Yeah, f Richard Rushfield said,his guess was the J. Penske,

(38:42):
the owner of the Hollywood Report,said, what the hell is this?
Well, we don't know that becausethat's what the United States. Yeah,
okay, yeah, okay. Iwill say this one thing, which is
that Robertson Narrow Will looks very good. He's eighty, he looks fantastic,
look very handsome. It's good glasses. He's wearing very cod agrees with him.

(39:08):
He he does an accent, andit's many things, but I don't
think it's an Oklahoma accent. It'skind of like if I asked my thirteen
year old son, after watching fiveepisodes of The Dukes of Hazard, to

(39:29):
imitate one of the Dukes of Hazard. That's what it sounds like. It's
like, you don't know where they'regonna come get you there, layo,
I don't know how what Oklahoma's you? Like if you look at the credits,
when the crawl runs, you getthe screen or it's easy to stop
and freeze it, says dialogue coachDick Van Dyke. So that's how you

(39:57):
know. So it anyone outraged bythe Oscar snub of Margot Robbie. I
love Margot. I love Margot Robbie. I thought she was adorable in In
Barbie and I certainly I thought itwas a better performance than Carrie Mulligan's and
Maestro she who got nominated who wasyou know, florid and terrible. But

(40:22):
you know, there's no outrage likewho gives a this is the Oscars for
God's sake, Like it's a bunchof show business morons trying to you know,
dare guess at what are you avoter? I'm I'm not an Oscar
voter. No, so I don'tinclude you are therefore not included in my

(40:43):
denial. Well, but I say, how dare you? Because that's what
we say in show business with howdare you? It's it's an institution.
Yeah, yeah, you're right.But my favorite Oscar voting quote was from
I think it was from Anne Miller. Remember, and no ambulism. You
know, now she's to cease,but she's some ancient show business figure from
a million years ago. And whenthey were but this is like in the

(41:07):
early days when they weren't setting out. Everybody wasn't getting video cassettes or see
DVDs or what we get now arelogins for these for awards season. And
somebody said have you seen them?Because the scandal was that they're all these
old people, these old academymbers,just voting for who they liked, and
they weren't seeing the movies. Andso someone you know, cornered Anne Miller

(41:29):
at a party and or at ared carpet or something event and said,
hey, Anne Miller, have youseen any of the movies this year?
And she said, no, Ihaven't seen any of them. I said,
well, are you going to votethis year? She said yes,
it's just so important to the youngpeople, so she would go. She
would just kind of vote, Whichis why that whenever you know, you

(41:51):
could just you can sometimes predict everyonewho's going to get nominated. Everyone's gonna
win, you know, just basedon you think, just what would a
who would have really old Ann Millervote for? And that's usually who won.
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big news in television over the lastcouple of weeks as far as I can
tell, uh for people who youknow for watching Prestige TV, is the
return of the HBO show True Detective. The season four which is called Night
Country and is set in a townin Alaska that has just gone dark,

(44:30):
uh for you know, it hasreally it's so far north that it descends
into into into perpetual night. Andthey've just discovered there's a sort of scientific
research station and something untoured is goingon there and the cops in town who

(44:50):
are Jodie Foster and John Hawks,the great character actor and a couple of
other people are all that Dagger's drawnwith each other. Episodes have come out,
and I don't think either of youguys have seen it yet. So
I'm I, I really I'm enjoyingit. Have you seen it? No,
I haven't seen it. I justhear it theorters. Okay, but
I don't know. Well, I'mreally enjoying it. But here's here's the

(45:13):
thing about it. So if youremember the first season, which was like
a total sensation. It was MatthewMcConaughey and Woody Howson and the whole thing
was there. There were there werethree there were two or three timelines.
You saw them young and fifteen yearslater or something like that. And there
was this murder, unsolved murder overfifteen years, and there seemed to be

(45:35):
a supernatural component to it, andthere was a lot of supernatural their hints,
and there's cult and all sorts ofstuff. And then everybody went crazy
with the theories and the theories aboutthe cults and everything, the articles about
it and blog posts about it andall of this, and then and then
it just turned out there was somebackwoods guy who like was having processed with

(45:59):
this there and captured people and andand just and and shot shot matthewmcconaughey a
bunch of times, and then andthen everything was right. And so I
think this is going in exactly thesame direction, which is there's a lot
of supernatural stuff, and were supernaturalhints, and like the great trick reveal

(46:24):
would be that they're happening right,not that they're not happening, but some
turns out somebody has left the walkietalkie behind a wall or something. I
heard a bunch of writing teachers wantto talk about, you know the there
there were students ever, and onewas I think was taught some e you

(46:45):
see like CENTIY class and mystery writingsaid that the worst, the worst mystery
reveal they ever read in class was, you know, this person was reading
the last couple of scenes of themystery and then all the all the suspects
are in a room and the copis going through the you know it's going

(47:06):
to be that big scene where thecopp reveals you did it, and suddenly
the door opens and an unknown personruns in. This person they've never seen
before he goes, I'm the onewho killed that girl, and he jumps
out the window to his death.I think it's kind of a great it's
a great way out of the problem, which is you gotta figure ou who

(47:28):
did it. I have not watchedthe Addictive yet. We're saving them up
so we can watch them, youknow, in rapid Fire. But started
the latest season a Fargo. Well, I'm really enjoying, Like it's interesting,
holds your attention. They're doing someinteresting sort of callbacks to the movie,

(47:49):
but not doing it in the waythat you think. John Ham's really
good in it. And I can'tremember the name of the actress. She's
the Temple, Yeah, Temple,who's from Uh gosh, my brain is
not working today. She was inSoccer Coach movie TV show London, the

(48:10):
English ted Lassos ted Lasso. Shewas in the Offer. Yeah, she's
the publicist, the sexy publicist inted Lasso, and she does well.
And it's I don't I think it'spretty good so far. And I love
Reacher. Have you guys watched Reacher? Oh? You love it? Really?
I do, because it's great.It does not ask a lot.

(48:30):
I like the first season and Ireally don't like this season because so this
season he had a bunch of hisold army buddies get together to investigate the
fact that one of their number ofsomebody's killing friends was like was dropped out

(48:52):
of literally dropped out of an airplane. And and I think as as as
our friend Sonny Bunch has said,the thing about Reacher is the books,
which are the lead Child books,which I've read a bunch of. The
whole thing is he's this giant man. He like, he's like he wanders
into a town, he goes toa he goes to a two other goodwill,

(49:14):
and he buys a pair of pantsand a shirt, and then he
just kills everybody who does bad things. And then he leaves and he goes
on to another town. And thisone is like he's with a group of
friends, and I'm not interested inReacher with a group of friends. I
want him to come to town.I want him to figure out that there's
some crappy stuff going on. He'sgot to pick up a girl and have

(49:35):
sex with her the motel room,and then he's gonna like figure out how
fully dollars out of an ATM,and then he's going to kill the rich
man in town who is being badto everybody, and then hitch a ride
out out of town. And sothere's too much. Sure you're asking,
but you can imagine the meeting though, when they, like, you know,

(49:55):
they're sitting around doing the you know, one more season of Reachers.
Hear the executives doesn't have to beanybody saying, I guess I want to
know more about him. I thinkwe want to know more about him.
What's his what makes him tick?What's his wound? Yes, so here's
my question to you guys about AlanRichson who plays Reacher. Of course,

(50:19):
famously, Tom Cruise made two moviesas Jack Reacher, which was hilarious because
in the books, Jack Richard issix' five, two hundred and thirty
pounds. He is a man mountainwho can like literally like take a car
and tear in half. That's that, that's who he is. And Tom
Cruise played movies and Tom Cruise isfour foot three and weighs one hundred pounds.
He struggles with those meters every day. So the whole gimmick was people

(50:45):
underestimate him because they think he's little, but then he beats them up or
whatever. So they find. Theyfound this guy who has actually been bouncing
around Hollywood for fifteen years. Hewas one of the hundred Team babies.
I saw him the other day andI was like, oh, Reacher.
Yeah, So I have this questionfor you. Is he a really good

(51:07):
actor playing you know, this veryunusual part in which he has an inner
life we're not really privy to andthat's the whole point. Or is he
the worst actor who's ever lived andhe just like landed in, you know,
in the perfect He's just the perfectspecimen for the part and he's like

(51:28):
an AI generated character almost. Idon't know which the answer is, because
he's very effective in the part,But I think he's a terrible actor maybe,
or maybe he's not. I don'tknow if you guys watch much community,
but yeah, yeah, remember theactor who plays Ned Ryerson from groundhegh

(51:51):
Day. Yeah, he's the he'sthe cinema teacher professor at at Greendale Community
College and he teaches a whole classon whether or not Nick Cage was a
good actor, and it's fantastic,and trying to figure it out nearly kills
abed. That's kind of how Ifeel about it. It's like it's it's

(52:16):
it's much better casting than the kidfrom Back to School, and so far
as like it's a low bar,you know what, I actually because I
think you're both I think you're bothbeing unfair because I saw this is obscure,
But I did see a production inwhich the Reacher guy played Oscar and

(52:37):
Keith Gordon played Felix, and theywere both terrific. They were both terrific,
and he played the dinner. Yeah. The thing about that is,
I say, like it is notan unusual part. It's a very usual
part. It's like these days,that's why these these shows are like,
I mean, that's why they work. They're so good. It's like a

(52:58):
guy comes and he's mysterious and he'ssort of unkillable, and if you could
only get his phone number and youcan only be where he is, he's
the equalizer. He's you know,it's taken, but he's not you know,
it's not his daughter. It's asound of Freedom, but it's not
some random kid from you know,Columbia. It's a it's like somebody,
it's somebody in your life. Andthat that's incredibly, incredibly attractive. Just

(53:23):
the equalizer movies, I think theyhave four of them or five of them.
With Denzel Washington make goadjillions of bajillionsof kajillions of dollars. And I'll
tell you, if you have aFriday night and you're kind of like feeling
like you've got the flu or something, as I did a few weeks ago,
you can order up some really reallygreat food from around the corner and

(53:45):
door dash, well you can.You can double dash it and have the
dasher pick up your food and thengo to ben Lewin ice Cream and get
you some ice cream and he'll bringyou all the things you need, plus
uh two or three episodes of TheEqualizer, and you're thing is done and
it's a fantastic eating So and ifwe went back in our time machine to

(54:08):
nineteen ninety eight and lived in NewYork, we could use Cosmo dot com,
which would not only bring you thefood and not only bring you the
ice cream, but would bring youthe video for the video store all together.
It was the greatest thing ever.It marks for one hundred million dollars,

(54:28):
and then it closed because there wasno revenue stream. It was just
here, let us bring you avideo and some food, and you pay
a dollar surcharge because we're trying tocorner the market with no actual revenue,
so we'll burn through the money.But there was now you have to have
all these multiple things you got todo. You got to like find it

(54:52):
on your streaming service and which streamingservice it is, and all that very
annoying. I watched Equalizer three ona plane. I liked it. Don't
which I liked it. No,I really liked it, but I thought
I thought was And so this oneis he's in a town in Italy,
right, That's that's the story ofthis one is. And so he goes
this town and he's this very oCD sort of autistic guy. But somehow

(55:16):
he connects to the people in thistown. He learns to love to help
them, and he learns and hewants to help them. And then there
are of course these terrible mafiosian Andone thing about the villains and movies like
this and like John Wick and stufflike that is it's always like, I
don't care how many people are goingto be killed. Destroy that man.

(55:40):
You know, you see didn't yousee that in the last scene he's singlehandedly
murdered twenty people. Like rudents mightbe a what maybe you want to like
booby trap his car, or likedon't come at him, don't come at
him front, like this is nothim for tax evasion exactly exactly right,

(56:05):
right right right? Get get himon reliable on those charges, yeah,
you know. And then also theidea of all these guys like get him,
they did the last john Wick toget and they're all on their own.
They all have these motorcycles like likego to the go to that garage
where we have seventy five motorcycles thatlook alike and they all are fully armed

(56:28):
in the same way, Like whatwere you what were you planning to do
if john Wick hadn't showed up?Like what what is all this ordinance for?
And then of course yeah none ifit works, Yeah, well John
john Wick four is a is amasterpiece of some I mean, it's incredibly
stupid, but there there there haswhere I mean it is just the scene

(56:52):
at the end of john Wick fourwhere he just rolls down the parents over
and over and over and over again, I mean, and has to keep
trying to climb up them like abugs Bunny car. It's like an combining
a bugs Bunny cartoon with a reallyreally beautifully filmed action sequence. Well,

(57:15):
it's the it's the it's the actionsequence of the the Laurela Hardy music box
right right exactly, the piano,the stairs. So the thing. So
for I love the John movies,particularly the first one and the fourth one.
I love that because one dude killeda guy's dog, thousands of people
must die. Yeah, which Ijust I want I want that to be

(57:37):
a lesson throughout the culture. Butyou can tell how successful they are in
beguiling you, but in sourceling youinto. The whole premise of this thing
is that by the fourth one,you don't even question that they have these
perfectly tailored, utterly bulletproof Italian suitsthat all you have to do to stop

(58:00):
a bullet is hold up your lapelright right. Jacket doesn't even like it
ends very much when it gets inmy bullets, you know, I mean,
it's very impressive. It also feelslike that's speaking. I'm obsessed.
I always obsessed with the meeting thatmust have taken place to get to that.
That's when someone says, uh,you know, after the meeting,

(58:20):
Okay, great, we're gonna goto Paris. We're gonna have the thing
and the go around the Dartsy Treeoffice to be great. We got a
question. All those people like they'reshooting and shooting and shooting. It's like,
you know, it just feels likeone of us bullets has got to
hit john Wick right, like evenif it bounces off of something like it's
like the intern. It's like thethe pa is bringing them all their lunch,

(58:43):
their turkey wraps and saying, haveyou guys figured out how the workichtes
don't hit john Wick yet? Andthey'll can look at you and go,
okay, it's a special kind ofsuit. It's a magic suit. Get
out of here, you're fired thatyeah. Uh, you know. I'm
reminded of of a friend who hewas a movie producer and he was he
was asked to consult on another friendof his had made this little independent movie

(59:07):
called Safety Not Guaranteed with Aubrey Plazaand Jake Johnson. It's all about a
journalist at a paper in Portland whofinds a crazy person who says that he's
figuring out again like how to travelthrough time or build a spaceship. I
can't remember what it is. Andhe's he's a conspiracy theorist and she's going
to be a portrait of this guyand he's a lunatic and then she kind

(59:30):
of like falls in love with himand they're each have trauma and all this
and that, and then the movieends, and my friend was asked what
his note is and he said,well, you can't. You can't leave
it like this. I mean,he's got to be right, he's got
to be right that a spaceship isgoing to they're going to go off into
the stars together, like otherwise,very just has to end with Santa being

(59:53):
Santa, right, right. Soso, and this, of course was
a little indie movie that was supposedto be heartwarming and whatever and be sun
dancy, and so this science fictionalending or fantasy ending wasn't the sert thing
that was attached to it. Butmy friend's advice was heated. They went
back and they shot a new ending, and the new ending they fly off

(01:00:16):
to the stars together or something likethat. And the director of that movie
was Colin Trevora, and as aresult of making that movie, he then
got Jurassic World, which was ayou know, and is now the director
of the Jurassic World movies. Andhad he been left to his own devices.
He would have made this movie withAubrey Plaza and Jake Johnson. That

(01:00:37):
would have made one hundred and seventyfive thousand dollars, and Steven Spielberg wouldn't
have seen it and said, that'sthe guy I want to do to make
Jurassic World. Anyway. That's thewhat if True Detective actually becomes a supernatural
story, Like that's actually where itshould go, because there are too many
red herrings they're supernatural, and thatwould actually be a trick because is like

(01:01:00):
you've seen before that they haven't donethat. You know that they've gone this
way. It's always a Scooby Doending. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Yeah, but I can also seethat too because you think, oh it's
Scooby Do ending. It feels arbitrary. It feels like, well, once
you do that, then you thenyou're basically telegraphing to the audience. There's
no way you can have figured itout to begin with, and a lot

(01:01:21):
of people are trying to figure itout, so you kind of you know,
every ending that isn't that isn't uhinstantly apparent from the minute it's revealed,
ends up feeling like guy running inthe room. I'm the one that
killed that girl. And then upSometimes they stick the landing sixth sense stuck
the landing, right, yeah,And the ultimate landing stick, of course,

(01:01:45):
is Back to the Future, which, yeah, and you saw it
and I probably saw it opening night, and you would never seen anyone pull
this off. Right. He goesback in time and told himself not to
ask that. And the whole thingis you're not supposed to do anything to
interfere with that thing, right,No, No, we're familiar with the

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theory. Yeah, we discussed it. Yeah, recaller just a short while
ago. Right. Anyway, ifyou went back in time, did that
future stuck landing the way? Idon't know that any movie had ever quite
stuck a landing before, because itimagine, imagine, imagine John Fodoritz having
done that, like and coming backyou'd be we would you'd be talking to

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us from your swank bachelor pad likeweird esquivel music in the back, and
you'd be smoking it's a little timeI want to thin cigar cigarillos and saying
this is this episode of glop hasbrought to you by Tommy John Underwear.
I of course don't wear underwear.It would have been like So, speaking
of stick and landing, I'm curious, do you guys think the ending and

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spoiler for people out there it's atwenty five year old, thirty year old
movie, No Way Out where itturns out Kevin Costner was Ivan at the
end? Yeah, do you thinkthat they gave you enough hints that that
was going to turn out to betrue? Or do you think, as
my father did at the time,they could have had a reveal where it
turned out he was from the planetKleptu because there was there was no suggestion

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that that was what was going on. Well, I mean they weren't searching
the planegon for an alien for theplanet Cleptu, to be fair, Yeah,
fair, Okay. I thought itwas a great ending. And actually,
if you see it a second time, there are clues. They're very
there are there are clues the secondthey're slight and and I I liked it

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so much that I forgave it thehorrible geographic mistakes that they make. One
anyone who lives in DC always talksabout that. Yeah. The journey of
Kevin Costner in the various chase scenesis very upsetting. Yeah, it's very
upsetting because it violates all rules ofspace, time and the metro. But

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I've seen it since and there area couple of things about that movie,
and the main thing is that GeneHackman, we're one of the great actors
and one of the most subtle actorsthat therever was, has this moment in
it which is the perfect act perfectmoment depicting Washington ever, which is that

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he is introduced to Kevin Costner,who's in his white uniform, by his
aid and he's the Secretary of Defense, and they're in the ballroom at Ashorm
Hotel, and he shakes his handand he doesn't look at him because he's
scanning the room to see who elseis there, to see who's more important
that he has to go talk to. And it is the best, HOLLYO

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is the best Hollywood depiction of Washingtonthat has ever been done. That one.
That's Hollywood dipiction of ten By theway, there you go, fair
enough. But this ten second moment, which is every person's experience at every
party in Washington ever, unless youare the President of the United States,
if you are having a conversation withsomebody, that person is immediately looking to

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see if there's somebody else more importantthat he should go suck up with.
It could be your best friend,it could be your sister, it could
be your mother. It doesn't matterwho it is. There's got to be
somebody more important to talk to.And that's that's why I love that so
much. Are we done with theoscars? We have nothing else to say,

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nothing to say about the oscars.Not really. I mean I'm eager
to see all of the the animatedshorts. Our uniform interested in that.
Funny when you see the list ofthem, it's like every now and then
someone will say to me like,oh, you've meet this first, or
packed pachyderm, would you meet this? They have like three oscars. Three

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oscars for what it's usually things likeit well, best animated short, the
best live action short, that's actiondocumentary short is the category. It's like
he spent three years right on amountaintop in Carpathia, right, you can
always follow and the most the mostpretentious actor in the in the oscars had

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to tell us the most pretentious one, you know, the Mark Ruffalo of
the will be the one applauding theloudest, like it was a wonderful film.
You did not seat or our uniform. I feel bad for like,
you know, there's always some guy, whether it's actually clamation or the equivalent
thereof, but somebody who actually spentlike years moving the left hand on the

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clay thing, taking a still shotanother still shot, putting it together alone,
eating soup out of a can,and he doesn't win. You know,
it's like, what are those fours? Well, at least he got
a trip to you got a tripto Hollywood because he's probably from Romania and

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he got to he got to seeHollywood. So that's one. That's one.
One. Great to see some guytake a dump outside of Grammin's Chinese
Theater, yes, which is byway. You can see it any day
of a week, exact. Yeah, yeah, but you know it's it's
special, it's very it's very special. So Jonah, are you where can

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people see you? Or are youone? Are you doing the Chris Wallace
Show? I do it intermittently.I'm oh, I am the third conservative
who subs in either It's always beenso far for Kristin Sultan Sanderson. But
it's either Ryan or Christ is exactlyhow I would have it. So I
don't have to do it every week, and so I don't know what I'm

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next on and I'm on CNN inthe evening a couple of times next week
week, but you know, itis what it is, Rob Martini Shot.
Every week. You can read it, you can listen, but I
prefer you to listen to it becausereading it it doesn't I mean, you
can read if you want, butit's kind of choppy because I just basically

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write what I say and that doesn'talways make sense on the page or anywhere
else. But you listen to it. It's available from the Ankler. It's
also available from Apple podcast wherever youget your fine podcast. Martini Shot.
It's only I keep them fourteen minutes, I promise. Yeah, I try
to keep them nice and short.You can listen to two of them if
you have to, but you canalso just fit it in with the rest

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of your day, right Joe,of course, twice a week Remnant,
Ruminant all that, and I'm I'mdaily on the commentary magazine podcasts as as
as people sadly must know and becauselike I just keep talking and hey,

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you keep listening. It's business.Think Scott in in Hardcore Turn it Off
it's see hw spare M wanted youto join me in a little reality break.

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Okay, just because you're in lovewith doctor Turner, that does not
mean you're going to pass her course. And you've got a major paper coming
up on Kirk Vonnica. You haven'teven read any of the books. I
tried. I don't understand a wordof it. How are you gonna write
the paper? Then? Huh?Hi, I'm Kurt vonni I'm looking for

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Thorton melon. Yuh when we comein, dad mhm