That's Where The Trouble Begins

An all-over-the-place GLoP for mid-summer: we've got some Rank Punditry® about changes past and possibly future at the top of ticket, some discourse about -yes-- cupholders in cars, a little Columbo, some thoughts about The Outsiders and it's various incarnations in different media, that time Jeff Goldblum played a NYC mugger, The Warriors, and of course, Rob remembers the late, great Bob Newhart. Also, any interest in a live GLoP? Let us know.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'll talk about it internally with my people, I mean
share risks.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'll talk about war with myself.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
We would have to prepare for the first time in
like ten years. Oh my god, I'm out.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Let's not go.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Let's slow down here, tiger.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
I'm going to say two words to you right now.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
I want you to listen to them.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Very very carefully.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Then I want you to take them out of the
office with you and incorporate them into your life.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Okay, you ready, Yes, Okay, you're there.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Stop it. Well, we're coming in on the end of July,
and this is the podcast. I am John Podhortz in
New York. Elsewhere in New York, Rob long I, Rob.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
It's high and.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
In his basement Redoubts in Washington. Jonah Goldberg, Hi, Jonah Hi.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
I've been planning on running from president from here. It's
working the past.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
So it worked in the past, and it worked as
a good exit strategy in the president, and who knows
what it could be in the future. You, as as
listeners of the Remnant Ruminant, will know from an extremely
lengthy description of the past two weeks of your life,
you have barely been home because you have been everywhere

(01:33):
you you you've been everywhere. Man. You've been in Milwaukee,
You've been in New York. You've been in upstate New York.
You've been in Washington. You've been into Luca Lake, you've
been into Friday Harbor. I don't know where you've been.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
All the lyrics.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yeah, it's been in Kansas City here, you know. They
they went and built a skyscraper seven stories high, abad
as high as the building auto grow.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
I've left the trail of shallow graves in my wake.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
But that's not about that. And you shot would shallow guy,
I would rethink that. I'm not telling you how to
do your job, but I think the shallow parts only
going to coming by to the as well.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
So that nor McDonald has a great bit about that
about how like if he was going to be a
serial killer, the first thing he would do is before
he killed his victim, dig a really deep grave, because
they're always finding the victims in these shallows.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Look, I mean you again not to keep referencing your
your podcast, but I listened to your excellent podcast with
ab Stoddard. I think this morning and you you did
make the pointer. You both made the point that, you know,
it's it's always better to do the thing that you
have to do at the jump, because it gets harder

(02:44):
and harder as you go. So if you were Joe
Biden and you were going to leave the race, you
should have left the race, yeah, eighteen months ago, and
done so in the most dignified and you know, genuinely spirited,
where you've set a new standard, a new way of
being a politician for the future and all of that,
instead of doing it in this shit show way that

(03:04):
he has done that. I think Democrats right now as
we speak, are on this incredible sugar high simply having
been released from this torment, and are overestimating the degree
to which they have a glide path to victory. I
think they have a path. You get.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
You know, people when they wear those weights, you know
they were there's like weights on their ankles, and then
they take the weights off them like I can dance,
I can fly.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Paris. You know they've they've been released from their shacks.
Mark Leviovich of The Atlantic put it, I think in
the it's like they passed the kidney stone. It's like
the entire party passed the kidney stone, and they're fid
by the lack of lack of lack of agony.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Good for that.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
I mean, it's amazing. Like, first of all, I was
just gonna say, if I were a really mean spirited
but really talented political cartoonist, I would draw a picture
of the Resolute desk with chunks of the veneer scratched
off and finger Joe Biden's fingernails still attached, because that's

(04:10):
how they had to get him out of there, you know.
But the other thing is like, we're ignoring the fact
that there's a much less discussed historical artifact put in
there by I think James Madison called the excruciating assay chair.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
Sure, yeah, yeah, I mean, by the way, you know,
he mentioned two things in the course of that address
where he informed the country that he was not running
for reelection even though we knew that already, and didn't
say why he's not running for reelection even though we.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Know why already. He said he quoted Benjamin Franklin say
I got his picture right over here, which is sort
of interesting. It's like, why would he have Benjamin picture
He wasn't a president or anything. But then he mentioned
that he also had statues of he had a statue,
says our Chaves. So he's a statue of says oar Chavez.

(05:04):
Statue like a little.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Like a bus, like a bus babble.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Ahead of says Chavez. Because even in his you know, dotage,
he's gonna distribute the statuary in his private office, uh,
according to racial gender and uh you know, and uh

(05:32):
and voting lines.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
I guess can we go political science here for just
two seconds?

Speaker 3 (05:36):
And it's okay?

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Uh, you know, Pod says that he was thrown out
by the leaders of his party or whatever and all
that kind of stuff. I, you know, the party decides.
Is this buzz phrase for you know, how parties are
supposed to work, and this proves the Democratic Party is
still a party and not a cult and blah blah
blah blah blah. And that's the favorable interpretation of it.

(06:00):
These sort of Trumpian Jason and Stephen Miller interpretation is
this was a coup and all that kind of stuff.
I think that just gets it all completely wrong. This
was voters were screaming at the party for two years,
don't renominate this dude, we don't want this dude. And
it was only after the debate that all these guys

(06:22):
are like, holy crap, we cannot maintain this fiction anymore,
and got rid of them. It was like it was
such a if it was a coup. It was like
we now know from the polling that it was the
most popular coup.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Ever.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
He says who's are bad? Who says who's are bad?
In Turkey it was great for a long time when
the when the army came in and created out the
crazy governments like coops aren't by definition have bad results,
and the public often is desperate to have them happen.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
So it's only figuratively a coup, I know, because the party,
you know, he wasn't the nominee, you know, and and
like the party is not a government institution, you know,
I just I think it's just like it. But it
gets to this larger point, which is that like everyone
wants to say this is a like a coup and

(07:20):
the party did all of these things, and that it's undemocratic,
And and then it turns out the polls are entirely
in favorite, like CNN has pull like ninety percent of Americans,
like seventy five percent of Republicans think it was good
for him to get out of the way, So even
the Republicans talking point about how it's undemocratic, whop, normal
Republicans don't give a rats ass. And the thing that like,
when I say that, people not you know, like, oh

(07:41):
that's a good point, that's interesting point, John blah blah blah,
because they want to be left the hook for doing
a coup. But then when I point out, you know
what else, the polls say Americans don't like Joe Biden,
So stop telling me he's the greatest pleasure that we've
ever had, and that everyone loves Joe. You know, it's
like the American people are have have had Biden's number

(08:01):
for years now, and this sort of elite coup plotter
types have been refusing to listen to actually Democratic voters.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
But you're totally right about that. I've been saying this
for you know, eighteen months on our podcast. The American people,
two thirds of the Democrats and three courts of the
American people have said he was too old to be president.
Why aren't they doing anything? Why isn't anybody running against them?
Why did it happen? But what's interesting here is that
now all of American politics has been redesigned and people

(08:32):
haven't even quite quite reckoned with this fact, which is
that a little like a soap opera where a character
who is dead will somehow mysteriously come back to life.
Or Sherlock Holmes right after he fell off the you
know falls and then Arthur Conan Doyle was forced by
economic circumstance to revive him in a weird way. What

(08:54):
we now have is all nomination, all everything is going
to be conditional. Hence, here going forward, you have a
nominee of a party, maybe it's July, maybe there's a
scandal that goes on in the party, and suddenly there
was going to be a drumbeat about replacing them before
the convention.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
I just like, I am of a certain I'm a
person of a certain age, and I have been hearing
forever in every presidential cycle, no matter who is running,
no matter what party, there's always some moron pundit on
one of those moron pundit shows saying, you know, I
think we could be looking at a broker convention. It's
a brokere convention. So it's going to be a brokere

(09:33):
convention and this thing and people keep thinking like, uh,
what is that? How does that work? Again a brokeer convention.
And even now when we could have had a broker convention,
we're not having a brokere convention. I feel like I've
been cheated. I'm not having gonna die having never seen
a brokere convention, but having one talked about all the time.
This is already said.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
I need to throws. I just said, like all of
American politics has been changed forever. Let me let me
ask you a question. Okay, Let's say for the next
two weeks, polls come out that show that JD Vance
has a thirty percent popularity rating. Right, is popularity is bad? Okay,
let's just say he's got thirty percent popular ring. You

(10:15):
know again, something I've said before in the last couple
of weeks, but had if Trump were even a remotely
disciplined person, and he looked like he was disciplined, right
because he let the campaign keep him quiet, and he
did he didn't like do crazy all that much crazy stuff.
But a minimally disciplined campaign has a vetting process for

(10:37):
vice president. And you know what the vetting process is.
It's not just making sure that somebody has views or
this or that. It's like go through their media appearances,
go through things that they've said and done, go through
all this now, just find out if there's a risk,
find out if there's something that's in the poird right,
and there was with JD. Vans, he went on Tucker
Carlson Show and referred to childless women as single cat ladies,

(11:01):
and a proper vetting process that would have happened under
it is happening right now with Harris. What happened in
any other circumstance, including probably happened with Trump in twenty sixteen,
any other circumstance would have uncovered that clip on Tucker.
Somebody was said, you know, he said this thing on Tucker,

(11:22):
And I don't know, man, I mean it was we
could who.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Who would have said that?

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Who would have se Yeah, that's the thing I'm generally
curious Okay, I think I'm legitimately curious about, is are
there people in Trump's orbit? I mean, maybe to Wiles
and Chris Lasovita would say, Okay, that's radioactive, we can't
have this guy. But I think most of the jabbronis
in mar A Lago. Hey, that's hilarious.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
That's Grace. You know, I love him? Yeah, right, No,
exactly right.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
I think you never know. I don't know. I mean,
I think these things used to be run. Everything you run.
There's always one or two people who like professional warriors, right,
like the Bill Macy in my favorite year. They were
Mel Sharp what was her name, Mel mel the guy
the producer in the Dick Van Dyke Show, Mel Cooley,

(12:15):
Mel Cooley. There's always a Mel Cooley. There's always a
professional warrior. And he was the one bringing you all
the disaster scenarios and then you could ignore him if
you wanted to, but you always do. There was that guy.
I don't think there's that guy in trump Land. I
don't think there's that person at all. Would person say
I mean, if you said that, they'd be saying, you
know what your problem is, you were just an establishment,

(12:35):
that's your problem.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Okay, okay, okay. So someone says, you know what, JD.
Van said this thing about crazy childless women being cat ladies,
and you know what, that's going to ring on the
ear bat, It's going to hit the ear badly, and
I you know, like, what what do we need that for?
So that you can have what you can have? Is
Tucker telling Trump that if he picks Mark or Rubio,
the deep state will assassinate him, so the neo cons

(12:59):
can globalize our foreign policy. And Trump goes say, that's
a good point. I better point, jd Vance. So seriously,
like he listened to somebody about something. We this is apparent,
this story about it's what you say, Deny.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
Yeah, what you say is you say what jd Vance?
You know, the negatives are outweighed by his total and
complete slavish devotion to you and your physical body. That's
what you say. And then if you're the guy on particularly,
this guy had talked and you're like, oh, okay, so he's

(13:37):
got his positives out weighs negatives because his positives are
he adores me and will do anything I say and
will agree with every single thing I say. And the
negatives are, you know, he's rude or he said mean
things about people who an't gonna vote.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
For me anyway, play out by scenario. Then jonah with
me for a minute. So he's in thirty percent in
the polls. This thing is actually hurting. They may show
that it's it's it's actually having an effect, weirdly, weird,
weirdly having an effect on the ticket in this incredibly
close race. What's to keep Trump in the next six

(14:11):
weeks from ditching Vance.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
No, yeah, I mean the blowback would be fascinating, and
I would feel serious sympathy for our friend Michael Brennan
Doherty in that circumstance.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Yeah. Yeah, He's the only person I care about in
this entire thing. He's so happy.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
I know, he's giddy. There's nothing stopping him. And I'm
sure Trump was thinking about it. It was interesting in
the rally last night. We were listening to it, and
for the first forty minutes Trump is talking about how
great this is and how great the convention was, and
he just didn't mention Vance. Yeah, you know, And he
eventually got around to mentioning JD. Vance, But it's like

(14:53):
you could tell in his head he did not associate
the greatness of the convention with the debut of his
own VP pick, which I thought was kind of great.
On the gentle one thing, on the cat lady thing,
like I think we all know people who haven't had kids,
who you know, or struggle to have kids and all

(15:13):
that kind of stuff. They're basically only two kinds of
childless women, women who really, really regret not having kids,
and women who are glad they didn't have kids, but
are crazy defensive at the claim that they should have
Nither of these groups like that statement by JD. Vans,

(15:34):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
I'll go I'll go even further than okay, no, because
he took an issue that is in fact, sociologically at
the center of American society in the twenty first century.
There are going to be these two populations in America.
There's going to be a population of people who do

(15:56):
not have children and a population of peopleeople who do.
Lot of the population of people who do, they're going
to be married people and unmarried people. And this is
all very complicated, and it is an interesting question, sociologically interesting,
politically interesting, problematic birth rates, you know, replacement rates, all

(16:24):
of that. And he just went and took a crap
on this incredibly important and tickless issue because we don't
know why women don't have children. In other words, there
are women who don't have children because they can't. And
the history in my family is my mother had two

(16:48):
sisters who could not have children. You think they didn't
want to have children, They wanted to have children. One
of them had to adopt kids. One of them's husband
would not adopt a kid. Why. I don't know what
the reasons were. Was it endometriosis, was it something else?
I don't know. Infertility, the inability to have children is
something that people keep very private. Often a lot of

(17:11):
people have difficulty having children. The Bible is replete with examples.
Abraham and Sarah can't have kids, like this is the
oldest story in the book. And you don't play Tucker
Carlson bullsh games, agree with the deepest of emotions, right
and so, yeah, So I don't think it's that set.

(17:33):
I don't think it's even as simple as saying you
shouldn't have said it, or you know, he didn't really
understand what he was doing, or he was just talking
in shorthand. It's like when you speak about so, don't
you have a picture in your head of the people
you're talking to. I think everybody you're listening to is
I just I know so many people who have struggled

(17:56):
with this are upset about it, are heartbroken about it.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Life savings on IVF stuff.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Don't play like you're playing in a sandbox when you've
had no problems in this regard. Right, he married his wife.
They had three kids in very short order. That's great, Like,
that's a wonderful thing for him and his family, and
he should be grateful and shouldn't be going around attacking
people whom he doesn't know why they don't have kids.

(18:25):
When people talk about crazy cat ladies or have in
the past, it's not because they represent a social sociological problem.
It's that they're sad. It's sad to be alone. It's
an evocation of a sadness in people's lives. And they
don't need to be told that they're sad by the

(18:45):
vice presidential candidate of the Republican Party. But I'm just saying, like, elementarily,
some rational person in the course of a proper vetting
would have caught this and at least had a conversation
about it.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
They might have They might have said, hey, JD, you're
going to need a makeover, and he said, got it,
and he thought that meant botox and eyeliner instead of
actually going through his social media that that was a
little joke which I thought i'd put in at minute thirty.

(19:22):
If there's anybody still listening, which I I one hundred
percent guarantee there isn't you always.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Have to say. Whenever we're talking about Rob, you say
we're boring people.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
Well, I think my broken clock is right at least today.
I think that's fair to say. Should we start over?
We could just start over.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Hey, it's the end of July. This is blob culture.
You know it's time for a spot Rob.

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Speaker 2 (21:51):
I'm calling for a deepsteaks. I figure, why not. Kamala's
grabbed the spotlight and you know it is going to
be running things for a couple of weeks with her viepstakes.
Trump needs other veepsteaks. Clearly think he went awry w
to do over same time big excite.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
Well see, most most most candidates would say would not
want to do that because they would appear weak, you know,
like I made a bad decision and so I'm changing
my mind. But he has actually broken the ice on
that one too by having to fire everybody in his
cabinet in his first term. So if anybody get away
with it, it'd be Donald Trump. Right, Yeah, it just turned.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
I'm loving this. I'm loving this idea. I'm sorry, I'm
I'm I'm I'm I'm in love with it. I'm married
to it. I think we need to develop it. I
think we need to work up some some names. We
need to figure out, you know, we need to propose
some names, do some vetting.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
See you're but you're missing the other part of that
Maggie Haberman story that had that tidbit in it, because
the first part of it was that Tucker said, you
can't have a neocon because all neocons want to do
is launch us into a global thermon nuclear war. And
I got to tell you, you know, John, I'm kind
of pissed. You're you know, you're at the mantle of

(23:05):
one of the last surviving, never mind thriving, bastions of
neoconservatism in America. And I have not seen you guys
standing up for this desire to reduce the planet into
a smolder nuclear cinder. You know, I know it's implied
you guys are Austrousian.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
So it's all, it's all, it's all esoteric. It's very
very esoteric. So when we say things like we really
think that we need to prevent Iran from getting a
nuclear weapon, what we're actually saying, is we want a
ron to get a nuclear weapon so that we can
bomb them first. I just want to lay that out

(23:45):
for you. You know, no no one, no one on this
planet has been more uh esoterically concerned about the proliferation
of nuclear weapons and they're possible dangers than the conservatives.
So of course that's what we want. You know, that's
gonna go to go.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
It goes much deeper than that, Like yeah, uh, the
whole broken windows thing was a crypto fascist metaphor for
nuclear war. I mean it goes, it goes all the
way back back to alcohol number one. Those guys were
just sitting there doing trying to figure out and the
melted windows.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Then well yes, windows, Okay, so we're we're gonna move off.
We're gonna move off this topic because Jonah is getting
too close.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
Xnay on the nuclear nod and spiracy K I want
to like actually do a My drinking game is gonna
is a private drinking game. But that's my favorite kind
of drinking where every time someone I use them, that's
why you said you want that's actually why you use zebiotics.
But that's another spot coming every time I read or

(24:55):
hear someone saying this some version of this, I'm hearing
from multiple sources that any person name, a person is
being and it's really emerging as a leading candidate from
VP or whatever. You get to drink when when someone
promp someone says that they're hearing from multiple sources. I'm

(25:16):
hearing this is what I'm hearing. What are you hearing?
I'm hearing this. Yeah, I'm fed up with that. I
want that to stop. It's a minor rant, but I
thought I would just started a little. Yeah, that's it,
that's done.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
Okay, another ramps here, John Hilman. I'm just gonna slap
him hard.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
Please.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Did you not hear from Rob Long about this?

Speaker 3 (25:42):
You can't say none of that. I'm hearing what I'm here.
What are you hearing? This is what I'm hearing. Uh?
I will, I will, because you're probably just be a
scrolled Twitter or something another rent unrelated to this rant. Uh.
I went to the went to the theater last night
and saw a very funny play called Oh Mary, very
funny play, and then went to dinner, and I am

(26:03):
I wouldn't call myself a fitness freak or in any
any way a body builder, but I'm a grown man
and I've opened I don't know how many doors I've
opened in my life. I've owned tons of doors. And
I go to this restaurant it's now kind of it's
an open recently and it is getting good reviews. And
I and I try to and I opened the door

(26:25):
and at the door's really heavy. It's a really heavy door.
And I'm like, outright, I don't know, I'm just suddenly
infuriated at this door. And I could walk up and
I'm having this, Hi, you have a resume, Yeah, I
have a reservation. You know that door that's kind of
a heavy door back there. Oh, And she looked at
me like an elderly man. And I kind of felt

(26:47):
a little twinge of, you know, Joe Biden's sympathy at
that point. But what's it with the heavy doors? What's
it with I'm hearing from multiple sources, and what's it
with the heavy doors?

Speaker 2 (26:56):
See, this is like you should sue them, and then
the jury should find, you know, in your favor for
like six and the and the and when the jurors
are interviewed, they can say we just wanted to send
the message that the doors are too heavy. Out there.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
Yeah, do you remember that?

Speaker 2 (27:13):
That was the woman the McDonald's coffee six million dollars
and what Yeah, the coffee is too hot out there.
So I think you have an issue here. I think
it's a winning issue. I think you could. You could,
you could make a slip and fall. I think you're
onto something.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Doors fun fact, since I'm not going to have another
opportunity to bring this up for another thirty years, I
used to produce this TV show for Ben Wattenberg called
Think Tank and we had a go to guests great
on TV, young lawyer by the name of Jonathan Turley.
Sure we would invite on from time to time, and
we basically needed somebody to defend trial lawyers and specifically

(27:56):
things like the McDonald's the coffee burning case, and that
was a big deal in the nineties. That an episode
of Seinfeld that was based on it, right where Kramer
was going to sue because he put a Lotte in
his pants to go into the theater and it burst
open and he burned himself and Jackie Childs represented him
for having for the making of the cof the latte
too hot, And I will never forget Jonathan Turley, who

(28:20):
back then was kind of a lib or when I
am kind of was a lib. He was like, look,
I think McDonald's behavior in this case is outrageous, and
he like absolutely defended the multimillion dollar lawsuit against the
against McDonald's for serving coffee that was too hot, even
though it was properly labeled. And I will always remember

(28:42):
Turly is as that guy.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
So Curly was that guy. Curly was the ready quote
in Washington. I think he was a he was a
GW was he was like, he was a lawyer. He
was a law professor at g W. And if you
needed a quote for somebody who was going to say
the tobacco companies have got to be hit and hit
hard or whatever, doesn't matter, he was your go to guy.

(29:05):
This the conversion of Jonathan Turley into this free speech
advocate who thinks that the FBI went too far and
is kind of Fox's favorite lawyer, is a very interesting
is a very interesting journey. And I actually take it
that he is in earnest, that he was in earnest
then and he's in earnest now. I don't think he
just liked that.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
I actually heard that from I made a joke. Ye
multiple tell me, yes, I heard a joke. I made
a joke once. This is a long time ago, so
I don't remember the details. I made a joke once
about that very issue, that the McDonald's coffee and the
ridiculous lawsuit, and I think I said something like that
was a ridiculous lawsuit. This country's in big trouble you

(29:47):
when you get to sue because the coffee is too hot.
And the person I'm talking to you, I don't remember
who it was, but it's a smart guy. Actually, did
you sat me down? I said, here's where you're wrong,
and then laid it all out for me. And I
have to say that it was an incredibly as I recall,
I don't recall the details of the argument, but it
was an incredibly compelling argument for why that lawsuit was

(30:09):
properly adjudicated and why that those damages were right and appropriate.
And I remember I remember my twin sensations at the
same time, thinking, wow, you have made a great point.
I in fact probably agree with you, but I am
now going to ignore what you said because I still
think it's dumb and uh. And I like my joke,

(30:33):
and I like my joke, and I'm going to keep
making it and that is that.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Okay. So the coffee story is a guy buys a
cup of coffee through the drive the drive through. Old
lady buys old lad coffee of the drive through, and
you take and she puts it between her legs. Yeah,
while she's driving out of the drive through, and it
spills and it burns her legs and she's it's tormented. Okay. A.

(31:02):
I don't like drive throughs. I don't know how people
eat and drink things and be like, don't put a
hot cup of coffee between your legs anywhere? Like would
you do that anywhere? What? So? I understand that many
cars in the nineties did not have cup holders.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
In fact, that's true.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
I think cup holders became a kind of thing around
about the time that this all happened, where it was
like respon, yeah, something like that anyway. But it's like,
this is why when people do that and are and
any good lawyer can play this game because they learn
properly in mood court how to make an argument about

(31:44):
why a tort is justified. But you know, that's why
anyone can argue anything. Simple fact of the matters. Old
lady took a hot cup of coffee and put it
between her legs, and and then it's spilled on her.
And that's why everybody in America weird and outrage when
when she won that won that case, because common sense says,

(32:06):
of course you're going to spill the coffee if you
put it's in a cardboard cup with a plastic lid,
and you probably like opened it.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
Again, I don't remember. I don't remember the point, but
I do remember being convinced, and I also do remember
ignoring it. That's that's that's what, that's really all I want.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
You know, you remember how all movies and television show
there was this just every television show until people got
interested in murder, every non flavor show, no, no, but
was about a tourt case. Like sixty minutes was just law, right, yeah, right,
la law was the tort bar. The practice was the

(32:46):
tort bar. Everything was everything was a tort. Somebody did
some corporation, Aaron Brockovich, a similar whatever, all those cases, right,
and then something happened like ten to fifteen. You never
you don't hear about these cases that much anymore because
people are like, you know what, I'm really interested when
a guy chops somebody up and then puts their body

(33:08):
in five different containers and puts it and then.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
The shallow grave. And I would say it.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Was the actual crimes. It's like, yeah, they spent twenty
years being distracted by not actual crimes.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
And then but all of those lawsuits were like, you know,
they had a political point, so that's kind of why
they were TV. It was never like this, it was
it was never the big corporation suing the little guy
because the little guy cheated. It was never that. And
I think what happened ultimately is the Aaron Brockovic as
those as people started to look into the reality of that,
they start they started to realize that actually, it's kind

(33:42):
of a nonsense. The movies full crap, Like it be
Genie or whatever it was. It wasn't guilty of any
of these things. Yeah, like the Prius or whatever it was,
wasn't accelerating on the freeway.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
But you know, Julia was very angry, but she was
very angry.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
She was like boil.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
She was you might say, boiling like a hot cup
of coffee at an old lady's lap. And that's why
and that's why she won an oscar.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Yes, I've been stopping on Colombo every now and then
it's some channel runs into be and is it to be?
I don't know. Uh, it's one of those channels in
the middle that when you turn too far, like oh
it's Columba and and I've been watching a few of them,
just like picking up in the middle, mostly this spot

(34:29):
we're you know, oh my gosh, I can't believe you
know that actor is you know, doing this bit role whatever.
And it dawned on me after watching the ends of
like three or four of them. You know, he's always
with another thing, right, and then he realized catches a
guy in a lie whatever. He catches these murderers, many, many,
many murders, a murderer every week. It's sort of like

(34:53):
from Murder was the murder capital of the world, right
because everyone.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
They had to move her, they had to move to
New York because two hundred murders had been committed, and
it was like, you know what they.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
Really at some point, but so there'd be a consent decree.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
So like the show's almost I would say all because
I've only watched a random sample. And but they end
with him catching a murder, right, and someone who murders somebody,
and the guy knows he's been caught. You'd think, just
since they've already made peace with the fact that they
are murderers, you'd think one of them would try to

(35:32):
murder Colombo.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Good night, good night, lieutenant.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Oh one thing I almost forgot. Yes, you're bold.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
They're alone in a room and this dumpy little dude
has basically figured out he's a murderer, and you never
seem like throw cuffs on him or calling for backup.
You're thinking, like, oh shit, I've been caught, grab a
bolt and stab him in.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
The throat and run. Well, the weird thing about that
is he is that gun. All by Columbo was that
they told you knew who did it from the very beginning,
so it was you're just watching these But even if
you didn't know who did it from the very beginning,
you know, because no good guy ever wore an ascot
and Jack Cassidy and Robert Culp and those because they're
always in the ascot, you know, the hello, lieutenant, excuse me,

(36:22):
I'm i'm I'm I'm NID for Tennis's game. Yes, lieutenant said, wow,
this is an amazing house. Well thank you, yes, please
don't touch that. That's an ancient Sumerian connect from the theme,
it's like it's always that guy.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Uh you know, well, I just remember that my favorite
Columbo episode was Wash called a Tune in Black. The
cast is amazing. So it was Colombo and the villain
the killer was John Cassavettis. And this is interesting because
John Cassavettis and Peter Falk made movies together, made John

(36:56):
Cassavetti's movies together, these very unusual Well that that's them
together in an Elaine May movie like they he was
in they called husbands together.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
With what they was. It was Peter Falk in the
one there Jenna Rowlands played the crazy one.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
He's he's the husband.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Do I understand that movie correctly? A Woman of the influence.
The woman's crazy, she's kind of crazy, and then at
the end somebody hits her and she's fine after that?
Do I remember that movie?

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Something? I mean, it was so overwrought that it's unbelievable.
These John Cassaves.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Like wrote the script.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Anyway, John Cassaves movies were interesting because they were very
they were almost defiantly semi amateurish. And Peter Falk became
a big star and and John Kasves was a wonderful
actor who should have mostly been an actor, but was
had this thing about being a director anyway. So so
he agrees to do Peter Falk Show. You know, they're

(38:04):
like trading like he Peter Falk does Husbands. He goes
on Peter Falk Show, and the entire subtext of the
show is like, I'm slumming. I'm slumming this with you, right,
so like you know, you know I'm too good for television, right,
you know that. So the condescension of the character he's
a concert pianist to kill his wife, who was played

(38:25):
by Blith Danner, and he pins it on her her boyfriend,
like because he discovers she's having an affair. And the
fantastic thing is they just cassivated, just sneering at Colombo.
In this case, he's not just rich, he's also he's
a cultural guy. It's like he's Leonard Bernstein basically. And

(38:46):
when he figures out that Colombo has him cornered, he
bursts into this gigantic smile and he says, well done, genius.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
Hey I speak to you. It's just humiliating him. You're
a great detective.

Speaker 5 (39:15):
You know from the very beginning, didn't I mean right
from this time, I'd like to go, is there anyone
that could you take this to Bennett Dona? All right,

(39:36):
goodbye genius.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
And he is the only villain on Colombo who has
this moment where it's like, you got me, you know
what I I you know, point proved. I'm you know,
I'm tilting my my my king down. Checkmate, Good work,
my friend. And that is that is one great ap episode.

(40:00):
The other thing, I think we may even have talked
about this now now I'm worried that I'm getting into
senility territory. This thing was circulating a couple of months ago.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
This you've finally beat Medicare.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Yeah, I beat Medicare. Steven Spielberg beat Medicare. Somebody put
up on YouTube the opening two minutes of Steven Spielberg's Colombo,
which was the first or the second thing that he directed.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Oh is that great shot? You sent me a clip
of that?

Speaker 2 (40:26):
It is?

Speaker 5 (40:27):
It is.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
The entire thing is a guy driving somebody is two writers.
It's actually sort of like a meta thing because the
show was written by these two writers, Levison and Link,
and essentially on this episode which may even be the pilot.
A writer kills his collaborator. It's like Levinson kills Link,

(40:50):
or Link kills Levinson. But the entire thing is a
shot of a car driving into an office building and
coming up in all this, and the entire sound is
someone typing on a typewriter, and it is two minutes
of typing on a typewriter while this shot, this sort
of single shot, is done car driving around the Hollywood Hills,

(41:12):
going into an office building, coming up the elevator, the
elevator door opened, someone opens the door, and the person
who was at the door shoots the guy who was
typing at the typewriter. And Spielberg was twenty two or
something like that, and this is like the best two
minutes of television you have ever seen. And it's like

(41:32):
it was clear at that moment that this kid was
going to be the most successful director of all time.
And clearly the guy who ran Universal Sydney Sheinberg and
the you know, said, Okay, likes, let's make sure that
we keep our hands on this kid. Something very spectacular

(41:53):
is going on here.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
Maybe they might have said that. They also might have said,
but again, it's Colombo. Okay, it's Colombo. Look at rem
a Colombo. You don't need to do the track and shot,
you just kind of I just need the pages. I
need you to deliver the pages every day. You got
five days. It's called Columbo. It's not called whatever. Now,
get out of my office.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Get out of my office. Is the scene in the
Fableman's where where David Lynch plays plays john Ford at
the end of this spill, I'm.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Just saying that, for instance. No, but there's this great.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
And it's actually a real thing that happened where john Ford,
Steven Spielger is like eighteen years old, goes to see
john Ford, the most important Hollywood director ever, you know,
seven oscars, all this, and Ford is seventy years old
and crazy and a monster. And he says, he says.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
To him, what spect you?

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Speaker 3 (44:33):
It's a good restaurant, but the door was heavy. I
think that's enough. It's not enough of a crime. I mean,
I would review it, but if I was reviewing it,
I would have to say the trouble starts at the door.
I just I feel like it was a design choice,
or not even a design choice, just the way somebody
decided to do it. It's like you go to a
hotel and the everybody knows that you're gonna have to

(44:54):
plug in your computer and your phone, and the plug
is way behind the thing, like all that stuff. It's like, what, why, why?
Why did you do this to me? Why is that
angry old man yelled? The clouds territory? Really because I
have been there for a while.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
That's a nice thing. Name that dead with me today,
but I do I do feel like that needs to
be Some things need to be talked about, and one
of them needs to be talked about. Is just the
way certain design choices seem to be just baffling to me.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
You know, I was thinking just about the conversation with
Colombo and you you going to Broadway and Colombo being
essentially a class warfare show, right, Colombo is the schlepp
dealer now lieutenant lieutenant right and Besting, besting the best
of the best because he is in fact the salt
of the earth and a genius who doesn't look like

(45:45):
a genius, right, And and American class warfare stuff is
always very interesting because of course liberals and leftists always
want to believe that America is essentially a class the
fight in America is a fight over class because they
have a Marxian view, And of course the fight in
America is much more complicated and variegated. But in pop

(46:09):
culture terms, you can't go wrong with class warfare, maybe
because it doesn't cut too close to home, it doesn't like,
it doesn't get at you. And I was thinking about
this because the musical that won the Best Tony, which
is the Tony for Best Musical, which is not something
most people are really going to care about. Is really
not very good, but it is. It is based on

(46:31):
a property that is kind of an amazing cultural thing,
which is The Outsiders. The novel by S. C. Hinton,
published in the nineteen sixties, made into a movie by
Francis were couple of the nineteen eighties. Now a musical
that wins the Tony for Best Musical on Broadway in
the twenty twenties.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
Yes, sat in Oklahoma in the fifties was incredibly.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Here's the thing. So it's this class conflict and there
are these poor kids were called the greasers, and then
they are the rich preppy kids who are called the socias.
But it her genius in telling the story is that
the socials are not only rich, but they're really violent,
and they're the ones who do things like beat up

(47:11):
the poor kids and knife them and want to have
rumbles with them.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
Yeah. Now, the not Hughes movies, that's or the Hughes
versions of those movies that rich kids are not just
rich and snobby, but they're also kind of reckless, but.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
They're not psychopathically violent like that. It's it was that.
The thing that is so clever about this is that,
you know, on the West Side story version, they're both poor,
so they're fighting over turf in this you know, godforsaken
neighborhood in Manhattan, and it's no good for either of them, right,
It's no good for the Jets, it's no good for

(47:47):
the Sharks. Their their lives are pretty miserable. Why are
they even bothering having this class warfare thing but tipping
the scales so that the rich kids are not not
only rich and have nice cars and they dress well
and their girlfriends are really pretty and all of that,
but also they're the ones with the knives. M h.

(48:11):
That is that was That's kind of genius when you
think about it, because of course they're not the ones
with the knives. It's the in real life, it's the
poor kids. Although you know you did knives.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
You've just basically described the superstructure of karate.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
Kid waxed on wax, don't forget to breathe, it's very important.
Wax on, flax off, flex on camp.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Black blue collar kid from out of town comes in
and all the cool kids are in cobra Kai and
they're really good and he can't fit in there, and
and they got the pretty girlfriends and you know it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
So so in other words, it's not enough.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
But it was ever I mean, if you know, but
if you eat, but but if eat well, but if
you go like the mystery, you know, either Christie Mystries
or anything. Back back then, he was always like the Yeah,
it was always like Lord Marklgen who did the murder.
It was never the oh, the cole scuttling footman with
the It's never the one that you that has to think.

(49:18):
It's always you know, Lord marg Lord the Marcus of Lordley,
then Queeze of Lordley and Lordy Manner and the child,
the Viscount Smilhoff and his bike von borne Mouth. That's
always who does it. It's not get over here, Perkins
with your little limp leg and your scuttle coal scuttle

(49:40):
bend the knee to me and nicked my boot. And
in fact, when they when they inspect her, asks him,
he goes, oh he was very nice to me. Oh
I oftened made a smudge with Mark Colet. Yeah. And
then but it's always Lord, I'm just improvising called it.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Im proud of in America in America. You can't just
tell a class warfare story. You have to tilt the scale.
You really have to well the scales, because at some point,
what are you complaining about? In the Princess Saw, So
your house is a little less nice than the kid,
like do something, get yourself a nice house. It's like, no, no,
I can't because they have a knife. He's got a knife.

(50:24):
He's gonna kill pony boy.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
You know, there was a great, uh, it's a great
TV movie on in the seventies starring Robert Culp. I
believe it was Robert Culp called Outrage, and it was
called that he moved to a town, little town that
was being terrorized by the rich kids. And the rich
kid was this kid named Bird, and Bird was the

(50:48):
head of the rich kids gang. And they were incredibly
like incredibly cruel, and I think they killed his dog
and stuff. They rested he had having to kill them all.
But the seventies was such a terrible time for casting
general that the person they can is a dear friend
of mine, Tom Leopold, who was a lovely guy and
one of the probably the funniest.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Alive, one of the funniest.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
Yeah, right, But the idea that that that a casting
director legitimately thought, oh, here's a menacing teen psychopath Tom
Leopold was just just a proof that in the seventies
casting directors were not after the job. Put it that way.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
Who was one of the three killers in Death Wish?
Death Wish? Right? You know the story in Death Wish
is these this mother and daughter come out of a
market Broadway. Jeff Goldbloom. Oh, terrifying mugger, Jeff Goldoom. It's
running down seventy fifth Street after Hope Lang and her

(51:49):
daughter and you know, boasting her apartment and raping and
killing them.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
Seal Henry Wiser story bold Bloom, Henry Winkler, perfectly wonderful actor,
clearly obviously a genius actor. He's in person, He's h
are you oh, John, I read your party? Well, Hello John,
nice guy, and then suddenly and the coolest guy in
the world in a minute. The cameras are always like, okay, okay,
I'm gonna get completely. No one would have casted him today,

(52:15):
it would happen.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
I just I just love the idea that the person
who is the symbol of urban disordered decay, destruction that
permits Charles Bronson to become the vigilante who terrorizes and
takes over New York is Jeff Jeff Golden booms.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
Well.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
I should also point out that one of the other
uh Street thugs in Death Wish was I believe his
name was Washington from Welcome Back Carter Lawrence Hilton.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Ready Boom boom, Freddie boom boom, Washington. Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
you know.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
But they were constantly pitting Jews in blacks as like
the They're constantly pitting Jewish and black chorus boys as the.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
It was, yes, just like it's a dance off.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
I watched The Warriors, which was a movie that caused
riots in theaters in nineteen seventy nine. There were actually
like it was like, don't go to the theater. Gangs
are having gang fights while The Warriors is playing. This
movie amazing. It's I believe dialogue from The Warriors appears

(53:31):
in the opening credits sequence of The Remnant. It does
it does, Yes, Cyrus, Cyrus, Cyrus.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
So this is a movie.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
I loved. It's an amazing evocation of New York at
night and subways and all this.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
If you have seen John Wick four and you haven't
seen this movie. You should you should see this movie.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
But just that there are the warriors and they get
on the subway and they're on the subway as it
dawns them that they're being you know, they're going to
be chased all night by every gang in the city,
having been falsely accused of having killed the person who
is going to bring all the gangs together. And the
camera pans across them, and it's really it's it's basically

(54:17):
a bust and truck tour of hair. Oh there's a
guy who's got like lipstick, and another guy has like
a little rain drop.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Anyway, the botox and the and the eyeliner.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
So once and once you see it, it can't be unseen.
So the entire movie takes on an entirely different coloration.
It turns camp. It's just sheer camp. By the way,
speaking of John Wick four, I was in Paris and
we walked up the steps of my wife and I
too now I now being soccer card, which is up

(54:55):
two hundred and fifty steps, and I kept saying to her,
you didn't see on four like Ken rolls down these
stairs over and over and over and over and over again.
It's unbelievable. It's really She's like, yeah so and she
she's right, like it's like one of those things where
you had to be there to see it. It is
a fantastic see you.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Can you can imagine Rob can probably do the impersonation
of the incredible French snob about Parrot Parisian culture and history,
being just outraged that the tourists only want to see
the steps in the well.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
You think, you think, except the French have this way
of like deciding that the one thing they really love
about American culture is that stuff. Of course, you know
you studied breathing cinematic. It's more of a sentence, a
cinematic sentence. Well, Jean he tumbled down.

Speaker 6 (55:47):
The diasis, he climbed to the jump, and he come
running do and this feeling is very important to us,
John Week you obviously you are you agreed you SPUs studies,
Jeanie in your universities.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
Yes, speaking of the university.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
By the way, is not is not out. I got
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like nineteen hundred.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
Yeah, I think it's designed late eighteen hundreds.

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It's like not a particularly significant building.

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It's just better from the looks better from the ground,
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It's a really where you want to kick Keanu Reeves
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Speaker 2 (58:52):
And I was with you actually the morning after, and
you were none none the worse for were I have
none the worst way. I have prunished that we runch
in that morning and you I would have had no
idea that you had to get yourself to get yourself
a right.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
So well, the thing is like, it's one of those things.
It is true that as you like, I mean, I
don't know can age, but he just in general that
when you start on a Saturday afternoon and you're having
fun and you're just kind of and it's some of
those drinks. It's like a you know, it's a mimosa
or it's a sprit sort, so you know, it's light
and it's kind of sugary. And then by the fifth one,
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have six and then everything's like, it's joyful. You're in
a very joyful Saturday afternoon mood. But at some point
you got to eat and then you got to go
to bed, and that's where the trouble begins.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
That's where the trouble begins. Yeah, that's very anybody see
anything you want to recommend.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
I would recommend this, And it's hard to recommend it
because it's sold out pretty much and it's only in
New York. It's the it's the play, Oh Mary, that
was put together by this crazy, hilarious character of whole
is Skola. It is the most over the top, the
best review I saw that And this is the kind
of show and sensibility of this that involves this show

(01:00:09):
where you was like, this show is the funniest and
also the stupidest thing I've ever seen, and I think
it's like somebody that's on the poster at the theater
and it is great, and I'm watching it. I was
trying to figure out what it was reminding me of,
and I guess for me, it was reminding me of
those fun, crazy comedy movies that we would all see
in the summer that were just hilarious and the audience

(01:00:33):
love them. But I think it must have been like
this a full theater. By the way, it's absolutely Lyceum Theater,
packed literally a line around the block to get in,
and it must have felt like it felt to audiences
in the twenties and thirties to go and see the
Marx Brothers on stage. And Broadway this kind of crazy

(01:00:54):
anarchy that just starts at nine thousand miles an hour
and does not stop until the very end. And I remember,
years and years ago, I came when I was having
lunch with a couple of friends of my Broadway producers
and they're like, you know, you gotta do you gotta
write a ninety minute no intermission comedy. That's what Broadway needs.
And this is a ninety minute no intermission comedy and

(01:01:15):
it's it's great. I just I just loved it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
I think you do have to tell people as a
recommender that one of the characters is named Gabraham Lincoln,
though I think it's important you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
Know he's it is Abraham Lincoln. His name is Abraham Lincoln.
But it's a it's a it's a retelling of the
Abraham Lincoln story where with Mary Todd, his sad, little
sad wife. Mary Todd was apparently a former cabaret star
and we'll get back I'm not an alcoholic. And that's
where they met, not at a dance in Illinois, and
she's enraged, of furious, it's all, she's just so crazy,

(01:01:47):
She's got no idea. He keeps saying we're in the
middle of a war, and she goes with whom it
is the South, saying the South of what?

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
So all she was saying about what My wife also
agreed that it was.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
It was hilarious, great.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
It was hilarious.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
It's a new way to look at the assassination of
Abraham Lincoln, that that it's both vaguely plausible and also hilarious.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Well, I think that's a deeply moving recommendation. And I
really like Twisters, which is the first real blockbuster of
the summer, and generally speaking, that isn't necessarily a great recommendation.
And it is a movie without an idea and it's

(01:02:39):
head but it's sort of about Middle America and tornado hunting,
and the tornadoes are really good and the acting is
really good, and it's fun and it's dumb and it
is exhilarating. And so I really I haven't seen a
movie in months that I thought, like, I'm just really

(01:03:00):
glad I saw that. That was that was great, that
was just fun. So that's Twisters in theaters.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
I saw A Quiet Place, the third, the newest one
before it left.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
The day one Quiet Place, Quiet Place.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
First of all, I just I like any genre that
shows like New York in an apocalyptic state. It just
that find that enjoyable, just in part just imagining how
you got like the clearances to do street scenes and stuff,
you know. And it caused my daughter extreme anxiety though,

(01:03:37):
because as much as I suffer from seeing animals in peril,
the sort of uh, you know, in the first movie
they had a baby, or the first two movies, they
have a baby that you're constantly worrying about, and they
didn't have a baby for this because it's a different
cast and all that. So it's this woman carrying a cat,
and I have to say that this cat easily skyrockets

(01:04:01):
to the greatest cinematic feline of the last fifty years.
Been really solid acting from the cat. So the movie
a sad cat Ladies something like that. She is sad
and she is a cat lady. And I also saw
I was as you mentioned, I've been traveling a lot,

(01:04:22):
so like when I'm on planes now, I just to
tune out the misery. I just watched stuff on my iPad.
I finally watched the remake which I really resent the
term remake for it of Roadhouse, and if you can
get past the fact that they're trying to make it,
they claim it's a remake, and I had the main

(01:04:43):
character is still called Dalton, and just look at it
as a really dumb fun movie. It's I think it's
actually pretty good. It is leaps and bounds better than
like say, one of the other movie remakes of Cannon
that I resented, which was Red Dawn, like the Red

(01:05:04):
Dawn remakeh yeah, yeah, oh yeah yeah, But this is
not that. This is like pretty entertaining and pretty well done.
For being really stupid, I mean, like profoundly stupid. So
I like that, and John and I both liked We
both thought that the boys took a huge dip for

(01:05:24):
about three or four episodes where they're clearly the rioters
were like, crap, all these maga kids like us, we
have to shove our thumb in their eyes for about
three episodes, and they did, and it was kind of
dumb what they were doing, but I still held my attention,
and then they kind of recovered a bit in the
final episode.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
Of Yeah, really really really good final episode. I am
I by the way, because I was listening to this
fantastic podcast that Ben Mankwitz does called The Plot Thickens.
He does these sort of eight to ten episodes series
about and that he had done this one about John
four word and I mentioned earlier and uh he uh

(01:06:07):
so he made me go and watch The Searchers again.
The Searchers is a movie that everybody says is the
greatest Western ever made, the masterpiece.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
He says, it's a masterpiece.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
So I watch it again because I've never liked it,
and I'm like, Okay, I'm obviously wrong. Everybody thinks this
is great and I watched it again and it's not
very good. I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
There's so much there's so much crap in the middle
of it. Now, you know what's great in The Searchers
is John Wayne somebody that who's acting Chops people don't
really talk about. That is a dazzling performance. That is
a tough, hard, difficult performance that he is giving, that

(01:06:47):
is very much out of his wheelhouse and away from
you know, the kind of legend that he wishes, always
wished to portray. And that's amazing. He's amazing. The movie
is very odd, and I don't really get the I
understand the it's thrilling because it's a psycho sexual obsession

(01:07:09):
with race and creed and teenagers and all of that.
But eh, so that's I'm going with The Searchers. I
enjoyed Help and I gave it. I gave it my
best like the third time.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
Did not like it, did not like it?

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Okay, thank you?

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
Okay of this Apple series presumed innocent.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
No, everyone says it's really good. It is.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
I mean, like, I okay, if you've seen the movie
or read the book like I don't, I honestly don't.
I'm not gonna get any spoilers. I don't know if
they're going to have the same ending that they had
in the movie.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
Uh, I shouldn't, but it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Doesn't so far. It kind of doesn't matter because it's
it's it's still definitely worth watching.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
Yet yet kind of a you had a Jake Chillenhall
kind of festival, right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well this is different because my wife
and I were watching this together because she loves all crime,
procedural crime, all that kind of stuff. And it's a
but the what's the name of the guy he played
Chuck Claine in the Shadow Glass.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Movie, Peter Sarsgarden.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
He's really really good in it as someone that you
just love to hate.

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defense lawyer Sandy Stern, who was played by Roald Julia
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of nonsense being spoken at you by people that I

(01:10:15):
won't name. And you're also on the Chris Waller Show, right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
Yeah, I do that not every week, but a lot
of you know, a couple times a month maybe, and
and a Mom Jake Tapper show a bunch. I try
not to do the evening stuff, which everyone looks like
at me, like I have three heads, Like why would
you want to be in primetime because I want to
have a cocktail and go to bed.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
Well you better, you better? You know you got to
take after that cocktail anyway, Yeah, before Rob your martini
shot this week and maybe we can end on this
is about your old colleague or the person you worked
with former colleague, Bob Newhart.

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
Bob Newmhart, Yah Bob Heart, ninety four years old died
for last week. I was not unexpected. I had heard,
you know that he was not doing so great. His
wife Jenny had died, died a little bit before. Genny
was like, what's great. They were both an amazing couple,
Mary forever, big family. Just one of the one of

(01:11:17):
the like when you meet a professional at that it's like,
of course I met him, but who's already had already had
two hit TV shows and like the biggest comedy albums ever. So,
I mean, he was more than a professional, sort of
defined a professional. But the what I spoke about martiniz
show was just the economy of everything he did, and
a lot of it was just that in his personal
life he had set of principals, a set of priorities,

(01:11:38):
and there really wasn't to you know, stay here in
the on the stage and you know, get to pick
up just right. It was to go home, like that's
what he wanted to do. And so you can kind
of see in I don't know that this is the
original of Bob Newhart Show, but I know in the
his middle show new Heart in an art show towards Leo,
you can see in the last scene of the night

(01:11:58):
that we shot. Every now and then his car keys
are in his hand because he's like he done, we
got it, I'm out. He want to go home. He
wanted to go home. He had a wife and family
they loved. He want to be with them. He didn't
really and that level of professionalism and just absolute focus
on everything. You could see it in his comedy where
he just took out everything he didn't need to do

(01:12:18):
and just put in only the left and only the
things you do need to do to be hilarious. And
it sounds stupid when I say it like that, and
it sounds almost like a tautology, but it is amazing
to me how little you can do and be genuinely hilarious.
And I wrote about my calling watching Examiner and didn't

(01:12:40):
tell this story on the podcast, but we had a
speech for me the pilot and it was like a
setup is really kind of hard. It's hard to explain,
but it's like he wants it. He's temporarily putting up
his going to be in law, his the father, the
long lost father of his daughter in law, gonna get

(01:13:01):
married at that day. And it's jud Hirsh's kind of
this Vegas sort of hanger on kind of failure, and
jud is being chased by the mob. They're gonna kill him,
and so, uh, Bob walks into his living room to
find a mob a mob hitman there in the son
the sofa, and the mob hitman says, hi Leo, thinking

(01:13:21):
it's it's it's it's a judd hirsh and Bob says, oh,
that's here's the mistake. I'm not Leo. I'm actually George.
I'm I'm I lived this in my house. I'm not Leo.
And then the mob's the hitman played by Jason Vigaye
was a great actress, said okay, we'll play it that way.
You're heard not Leo, and I'm not a mob hitman
who's going to kill you. And the line we wrote

(01:13:46):
was for Bob to say, well, good because I'm I'm
delling not Leo. And he's like, can I just say good?
And uh like, yeah you could, Yes, you're Bob Newhart's saying.
I mean he was very respectful to writers, like he
would never ever change anything, not a one word. Uh,

(01:14:09):
but if he had a thin I think maybe just good.
So we ran it again, which is unusual because you know,
if he ran again, it's like, I'm not. If you're not,
you're not You're not Leo and I'm not a mob hitman.
And he takes money good and he stopped good. I
think he needs well good. He needs to handle well good,
well good, which is what he does on their huge hit.
I mean, I know that it's hard to explain that

(01:14:31):
the gigantic laugh, like the whole thing. We had to
stop every of this stuff. Just his ability to say
well good at the right time, almost a little bit late,
that later than you'd expect it, even with timing, was
just like you're just watching this thing. And I remember
having my old friend Harry sheer on as a guest.
We just had a fundy part for a therapist and

(01:14:53):
we you know, I call up Harry here, y'all, I'd
love to do it. I never met the guy. And
so halfway through their rehearsal, like they're on a break
at the stage, Harry comes into the writer's room to
talk to me and he says, I just I hope
you all know that Bob Newhart is a genius. And
he said, he's the funniest person I have ever worked with,
next to Jack Benny and Harry was on The Jack

(01:15:16):
Benny Show as a kid, and I was like, really,
it's just he says, it's like I will, I would,
I will please write me more, I will come and
do this for free. I just want to hang out
with this guy. And it was the funny, funny thing
because you never you never really saw him. I mean
I always say he was like he worked really hard,
but you never saw him. It didn't look at work.
I mean, he didn't really look like he was breaking
a sweat. But that's just sometimes people are just that way.

(01:15:38):
And so I don't know that that's the model Bob
Newhart is. Just take everything away, that's not hilarious.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
I want to read you the exchange that I had
with Rob when I informed Rob that the news had
come that Bob Newhart had left us. I said, Bob
Newhart died, and Rob's answer by text was, oh, wow,
are they sure he could just be pausing? He always

(01:16:09):
held them a little longer than anyone thought possible.

Speaker 3 (01:16:13):
That is really true. That is really true. And yeah,
I would have said that to Bob because he also
had kind of a super dark sense of humor. He'd
say every now and then he'd say it's just too dark.
I don't know, because I have a very dark sense
of humor. He wasn't sure about how dark it could get,

(01:16:33):
but just a kind of a you know, it's one
of those things where you you think, oh, you know what.
I'm glad I knew. I'm glad I knew how great
he was when I was working with him, so I
could remember everything because he was one of those guys
I just want to remember everything.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
All right, Well, we will be back with you.

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