Episode 180 – Toby talks about the 2a news of the week and what we have to look forward to. John Petrolino “The Pen Patriot” joins us in the second hour!

Episode Transcript

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Direct from Cape Gun works in H.
You're listening to rapid fire radio with your
host, Toby Lea,
I'm Toby Lea from Cake Gun works.
I'm passionate about all things second amendment.
While I love to shoot.
Going hot.

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There is so much more to guns than
just pulling the trigger.
A free in armed society is a responsible
and self reliant 1.
Join us to talk all things guns,
freedom and self defense.
It isn't just about being armed.

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It's about being responsibly armed.
So load and make ready
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I hope everyone's having a wonderful week. As
am I, it's summertime.
What's not to be happy about. Right? Well,
we got some issues. That some kinks to
work through some things that we gotta
workout, iron out. 1 of them is, like,
a runaway freight train, namely H4139
and senate h. What is it? Senate at?

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21 84,
here in Massachusetts. That is
coming down the tracks, full steam ahead, whether
you like it or not.
And
it is it is
being debated behind closed doors by tyrant who
wanna take away.
Your right to keep in their arms.
Yes, I'm talking about the conference committee that

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is
working behind the scenes behind closed doors. There's
6 members
3 from the Senate 3 from the house.
This is a normal procedure that happens
every day in Congress. Right? But they have
a deadline looming, and that is July 30
first.
So they
have to get this done
and out, it's coming up on the year

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anniversary to when Michael day it if it
isn't already a year, I can't remember exactly
what they... He dropped this abomination on us.
A year ago, it was
the bill formerly known as h hd 44
20,
and
they
debated it for a little while, the public
went nuts, called their senators, their congressman, they're

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everybody they knew, and they put it on
hold. They pumped the brakes and said, we
can't cram this down their throat
yet.
So let's punt until the fall. They made
a couple little tweaks and thought it would
make everybody happy.
The Massachusetts Chiefs of police
association
in a
400
and something odd to 0

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vote said that they will not support this
bill.
So
they were kinda caught with their pants down,
and
said, oh, jeez. Maybe we should have some
public
input and they had... They opened up for
hearings at the state house. Which I attended,
and then,
guess what happened.

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They passed it anyway. Can you believe it?
I know that must shock you here in
the, here in the commonwealth of Massachusetts, but
they did. They just they passed it anyway.
I know. Right.
And I promise you 1 thing. They heard
from people who didn't want their rights infringe
on.
More than the red shirts who wanna come

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for your guns.
It's the way I see it.
But
they they the fix was in speaker Marian
wanted to make this his legacy on his
way out the door. He tasked his
main guy, you know, Michael Day,
with this prospect
in he's part of the
house judiciary committee. He's the chair, the house

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judiciary. And they're gonna get this done, and
they're gonna put it right in that committee.
Well, the senate kinda like, guys, you know,
wouldn't it have been good to talk to
us about this.
Isn't that something you do?
You talk to the senate, Like, we're big
gun control guys do.
And gals over here. We wanna take guns
away as much as the next person does.

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But you didn't even talk to us about
it. And that's kind of a problem.
And we always
hash out gun control bills in the public
safety
committee,
and not the house judiciary committee.
So
why do you think it's a good idea
to have it in the house judiciary and

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Michael Day said, well, because I'm the chair.
Person and it's my committee and it's my
bill, and it should be in this. And
so they couldn't even agree on what sub
committee to put it in. Right?
And
then the senate comes out with their version.
They say, we don't like anything about this
bill. We don't like any of it. Like,
here's a remove and replace. Here's a complete

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amendment that will replace
this bill. And by the way, we got
the police on board. We got some police
chiefs to come up and say this is
a good bill.
So therefore, we should just do mine.
And the
house gave them the proverbial
single finger salute and said,

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gold pound sand.
No. We reject it entirely.
The house version was a hundred and 40
odd pages. The senate version is a hundred
and 22 pages of comprehensive
omni bus gun control
dr.
Anti
civil rights.

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Unconstitutional,
outright defiant
violation of their oath of office.
In in some cases,
I would argue m
at the very definition of the world word.
Certainly
selling their soul by breaking their oath of

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office. And I guess that really just
solidifies what
politicians actually think of their oath of office.
In the first place. They don't think very
much of it. Right? If they will put
their hand on the Bible, and raise their
hand and swear
to protect,
defend
the

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constitution
against all enemies foreign and domestic,
and then
introduce this
absolute
horse manure
and
say that they are representing us
Can you believe it?
I find it hard to look that type
of person in the eye and say,

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What gives you the right?
Where do you have the privilege
to
a
even introduce such a an article.
And b,
expect law enforcement who has also taken on
oath of off is to
enforce

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said
law that you wanna create.
I make an argument that
I've
been saying for a couple years now that
these
politicians, you elected
legislators that are there to represent us. And
as Madison says in the federal papers,
that they are there as the gatekeeper of

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our rights.
I know I sound like a broken record.
But that is the primary role, that is
the most important branch of government.
If they're there in their proper
constitutional authority and
and exercising their power
under
their
constitutional

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limitations of that power.
That being said and performed the way that
our founders intended is the most important branch
of government because it'll make no law that
is contrary to the constitution.
They are there to defend it?
What is a gatekeeper?
Well, the good shepherd

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watches the gate to keep his sheep from
being attacked by wolves.
That's the way it literally, that's what that
looks like.
And he will defend it with his life.
That's why you carry the staff and modern
day, you know, you'd carry an Ar 15
to keep the wolves at bay.
But our legislature has lost its way.

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They have me,
and they have actually gone from gatekeeper
to a wolf in sheep clothing.
They are there
at the be of the sheep
where the people. I know that's a terrible
analogy, sheep and people, but actually, we act
more like sheep.
They're there
to devour our very rights and to devour

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us in the process,
all
to protect their legacy and their power and
their
their,
office.
And they have gone from gatekeeper to oath
breaker.
They think that they went from lawmaker
to law give.

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That's a big difference folks.
Massive
massive difference
between lawmaker,
which by the way,
they have
a
constitutional
obligation
to only enact laws
that
are so
necessary to protect us from evil or

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evil.
And if they don't
use that as their standard,
then it's just more
m pro prohibitive type law.
It is illegal because we say it is.
It's not M say, which is evil in
its own right.
That's why you don't do it. That's why

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you make laws against it.
Because if they don't,
then
the larger
community suffers as a result.
I said all that to say this. We're
down over a wire here. We're in our
last week of being able to contact these
people
who have taken on a new role they

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have taken on a new,
they've taken a new look.
At what it is, they're actually there to
do.
Instead of defending and being the gatekeeper of
our rights,
they are
feeling god like that they can give

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law and restrict rights that are granted by
our creator.
And I know you guys have heard this
sermon of many at times,
and I'm preaching to the choir.
But
The truth of the matter is, this is
when we need to hold them accountable, while
they're deli deliberate behind closed doors right now,
6 people.

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In
complete secrecy.
Now is the time we tell them how
we really feel.
And
say, hey, you know what?
Show me in the constitution where it gives
you the power
to
take away my right, my constitutional right. Here's
a couple of questions. I mentioned this on

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my radio show this weekend.
Ask them to show you in the constitution
where they have the authority to restrict your
right to keep in their arms.
Where does it show it?
Ask them if they can limit the first
amendment in the exact same way that they're
proposing.
Think about all the restrictions they're about to
put on the second amendment here in the

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state of Massachusetts.
They are talking about sensitive places and locations.
They are talking about
restricting your ability to carry on playgrounds.
So can they do the same thing
with the first amendment. Can they keep you
from speaking your mind freely at the playground?
Can they keep you from speaking your mind

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freely at the polling place? Can they keep
you from speaking your mind freely on the
street corner? You know,
I love Mark Smith's,
professor Mark Smith's title of his Youtube channel.
The 4 boxes diner.
Because a lot of people don't know what
the 4 boxes of Liberty are.
The first 1 is the soap box, and

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what does that mean? If you're under 30,
you might not know what that means. But
there was a time
where people would stand up in the public
square
in the town square. You've heard the term
town cry. Right? They would talk about the
town agenda and the meetings coming up, but
there was also
an element of political banter that took place

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on the street. There was also
preacher that would stand on the street corner,
say we didn't see in church Sunday. So
I'm out here proclaiming the good news, and
they would often stand on a soap box.
It was a wooden box that they delivered
soap to. Door to door, they used to
make the rounds and deliver your soap. But
they'd turn it over and stand on it
to elevate themselves above the crowd so that

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they could project their voice and you'd know
who's talking. So the soap box, the free
thinking public
speech,
public
exercise of ideas
is the first box of liberty. As soon
as you restrict that right,
And I've been on the receiving end of
that many times.
If you stand up on a street corner

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nowadays and start to speak or preach,
there's people that want you shut down. They
called the police say this guy's is an
idiot it. He's disturbing my lunch. He's preaching
he's teaching and he's talking
on the street corner.
They wanna silence you and muzzle you. Why?
Because they don't understand what Freedom is. That's
a beautiful thing. I don't care if you

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agree with the person or not.
That is 1 of the boxes of Liberty.
The second 1 is the ballot box. Right?
We go into that ballot box. It's behind
the prying eyes of government, we can sit
there
without any
observation and we can vote how we wanna
vote for who we wanna vote for.
And it's our privilege and it's supposed to

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count the same as the next guy.
Whether you're rich or poor, young or old,
black or white, gay or straight, right or
left, it doesn't matter.
Your vote counts the same as the next
guy.
And that is a huge, huge
check on the power structure
and a huge check on

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the balance of power, and and it's an
exercise of the fountain of power
coming from we, the people. We're the ones
who put politicians there The way it's supposed
to work. Right?
The third
is the jury box. If you find yourself
on the wrong side of the law, you're
presumed innocent until proven guilty.
Right? And what happens? You entitled to a

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core,
a trial by a jury of your peers.
So we have the jury box. It's very
very powerful.
In fact, when I served on the federal
grand jury about 20 years ago,
I wasn't really sure how that all worked.
And I was blown away at the thoughtful
of this by our founders. And I know

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this has been exploited nowadays. You hear the
saying, like, I could indicted a hand sandwich.
Right? And I I think there was even
a little bit of naive on my part
when I served on that federal grand jury.
But I wasn't panel for a year and
a half.
Every Thursday drove up to the Joseph P
Mo building in Boston and I served on
the organized crime task force.

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Where I was presented evidence in a weekly
basis. And, you know, once you see the
evidence, you had to either vote to ind
incite the person or not. But the federal
government
cannot
charge you with a crime.
It must be done
by a federal grand jury. And even state,
I believe in a certain
state crimes as well. There has to be

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a state
grand jury involved as well. If it's a
big,
big type... I forget what they call the
type of crime.
Obviously, it's a felony and a certain level
of felony. Let's put it that way. But
that's what the jury box is all about.
It's the
make sure the government
can't
just hu harass you and run you through

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their system
their kangaroo court with a predetermined outcome. The
jury is a massive
part of freedom. And that brings us to
the fourth
part of the equation, The fourth box of
freedom, the cartridge box. And it's something that
the media
that the
government
wants to do away with at every

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possible
turn
they wanna beat you over the head and
say you're a horrible person for wanting to
own a gun. And if it would just
save 1 life
wouldn't you be willing to turn in your
Ar 15?
They used this
false

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moral high ground
and try to beat you into submission to
think like them to act like them. To
to feel guilty about wanting to protect your
family and your way of life
with arms or whatever efficient tool you choose
and
media has become the dog dog of that,

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not to mention
the
politicians. You see Joe Biden and Kamala Harris
every week out there. Nobody needs a hundred
round clip murderous
semi automatic
cartridge box, whatever that heck they call it,
shell or something like that.
And
you know, this is how they they

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lie often enough and loud enough and people
will believe it. Right? I think
20 20 was a massive eye opener for
a lot of people. A lot of people
asleep at the wheel going along to get
along.
Head in the sand, you fill in the
blank of the Ism or the
you know, whatever,

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comparison, you wanna say, you know, I heard
1 guy say, there's a lot of people
that are... If ignorance is bliss,
and there's a lot of people having a
blizzard. You know? It's they just are so
ignorant that they
completely surrounded by it, and they're... They still
don't wake up. But it woke up a
lot of people. They saw people being let
out of jail

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because of
pandemic reasons. They saw
their city's burning
with law.
They saw
people
being told to
stay away or they couldn't go to church
or couldn't go to the gym or couldn't
go to work. They had to stay home
and social distance, the whole 9 yards everything

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about it, then the mandates that came and
you gotta get a certain thing. If you
wanna go back to work. Right? Or if
you wanna travel, if you wanna fly. If
you wanna go to the B game. I
had to show up fake card.
Yes. I did to get in to see
the ruins.
And
we're all like, something main right here. Something
right. What is that?

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We all know it's not right.
And
people woke up and say, well, wait a
minute. If I do wanna defend my family
because I see the bands of ro mobs,
you know, going into neighborhoods now.
And,
you know, if I wanna defend myself with
arm. I don't even have a permit. How
do I get that and then start to

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go down and You know, they... All they
have is what the media told them, it's
harder to get an apple or rent a
library book than it is to buy a
gun.
And they'd show up at the local store.
I want a gun. Okay.
You have a license to carry? A what?
You could an F card? A what?
They didn't even know what that was. And

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they... No, I'm just here to buy a
gun.
You're about 3 months to 4 months away
from that. What other right?
Do you have to delay
3 to 4 months before you can exercise
it?
I can't think of 1.
Right?
Now there's rights that are probably

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inherent that have been so restricted
that we don't consider them rights anymore. We
call them privileges.
But,
certain
rights
I will say that they are right are
rights because they are,
not because government
says they are.
And that's a big difference.

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And now the lawmakers stand up there
and say,
you know, nobody needs
and
group thinks says,
it's in the government's best interest
if
We restrict arms from civilians,
if we ban body armor, if we ban
militias, if we ban training,

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if we ban
certain caliber, if we ban certain rifles.
And the truth of the matter is they
lack
all
constitutional authority to do so. And the fact
that they do it anyway is what?
Yes.
You guessed it
abusive power because they possess the power to

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do it.
They abuse that power
and
you know, take away the average citizen citizens
right to keep in their arms.
That's the way I see it. I'm calling
balls and strikes here folks, and this is
the last week for us to con call
the conference committee.

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Which is, again, debating our the future of
gun rights in Massachusetts behind closed doors. And
it's high time. We put them on notice.
Say, listen, if you're gonna break your oath
of office, if you're gonna continually
deprive me of my constitutional en rights. If
you're that anti civil rights
that you will go out on the floor

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and vote against God,
who is the grant of rights. Just read
our founding documents.
And
and you will say that this is
is a something that you possess the authority
to do even though
you don't.
What other of right do you have the
authority to do that too, could ban Catholics?

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Could you require a license for fifth amendment
protections? What about fourth amendment, illegal searches and
seizures?
You gotta go down, take a government mandated
class for 4 hours pay a hundred dollars,
you know, apply with fingerprints and photographs and
background checks and make sure you're a good
moral character and your police chief. Thinks you're
suitable.
And then you apply for said license and

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wait 3 months, so you can put a
plaque on your front door so that the
police don't raid you at 2 in the
morning.
That doesn't happen. Right?
So why did we give them that right
to do that to the second amendment?
Why did we say that was okay. Why
did we go along with this for so
long?
B is thankfully settings the record straight in
a lot of ways.

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And even in light of brewing
where
the Supreme Court acknowledges that the text of
the second amendment is the law.
And if you want to
uphold a government
restriction on that law,
then the government needs to prove
beyond a shadow of a doubt, the burden

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of proof is on the government to prove
that the their law is analogous
with a law at the nation's founding in
17 91.
You can't do that. It's unconstitutional. Now I
know we saw a serious bend to that
and the Ra decision.
But again, the Ra was bad for a
bunch of different reasons.

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I think there's a lot of things in
place and stepping stones
as a result of Ra.
We also saw Car. We also
had
the chevron defer go away. So a lot
of things, the stage is being set.
For our a restoration of our rights.
I'm not happy about what happened with the

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seventh circuit, but I think we'll see that
again.
Hopefully.
But
the bottom line is,
we are here today to urge you
to contact the members of the conference committee
to contact your leg legislature to contact your,
senator, and this... The senate majority leader, the

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house majority leader, the senate president,
governor Heal office,
attorney general's office,
local
police departments. It's time to, like, sound the
alarm and say, hey, guys.
Time out here.
Just show me where you have the constitutional
right
to take away my

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constitutional rights.
Ask them if they think that our current
gun laws in Massachusetts are consistent with founding
era laws. Would they hold up to constitutional
scrutiny in 17 91?
You think the sensitive places location? You think
the
approve weapons roster. You think a magazine capacity

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band, You think a salt weapons band. You
think
certain limits on
what you can and can't buy would all
be
constitutional protected in 17 91.
Ask them that.
See if they think that... Oh, no. I
I think, you know, maybe we... Because it...
That's what it causes them to second guess

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this whole process. Right?
Ask them if they're willing to do this
to the second amendment,
what other rights are they willing to do
this for?
What other rights you gonna apply this standard
that you are proposing
to?
I already mentioned the first amendment and the
fourth amendment, the fifth amendment. What about

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you know, the right to vote,
we're gonna start
issuing an Id to write to vote.
Not a bad idea if you ask me.
But
what about charging a poll tax?
Oh, wait a minute. That's already been ruled
on
unconstitutional. So maybe the license
to carry

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should be ruled on unconstitutional.
Just a thought.
Ask them
if
they are willing to apply the same standard
to any other right.
And I'm sure the silence will be deafening.
Do it in email, do it in
actually physically writing them, do it in

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a phone call.
In last but, not least,
troll so hard on Social media.
All other socials are on Facebook and Twitter.
And Facebook's probably even better place to do
it because a lot of people will see
the comments. And when you tag them, they're
gonna know exactly what they're tagged in.
Twitter and x as I mentioned the other
day is a little harder to track. It

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certainly is for me, but still, they're all
over it. Tag away.
And put posts with your own
or my words. I don't care. Make them
your own.
Reward them, send them through chat Gp or
whatever you gotta do, just get the ball
rolling and get the party started
and
tag them on it in social media

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anything they post
tag
or respond or reply to it with questions
for them. I know the silence will be
deafening, but I'm telling you it's having impact,
telling you it is being heard loud and
clear. The 2 major issues that
politicians up for reelection, this November are facing
in Massachusetts.

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Is this massive migrant crisis that is affecting
us and costing
I just heard on the radio. It's it's
nearing a billion dollar price tag. Number 2
is this gun bill that is a loser
for everybody.
Except the, you know, water towns,
Summer,
Cambridge crowd.
But you don't want your name associated with

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this,
and this is not good. Not to mention,
they've already seen brewing
and yet they're doing it anyway. Right?
They already know what's happened at the supreme
court level and they're doing it anyway.
It's amazing to me.
That they they have such a lack of
regard for their oath of office, that even

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when a c branch
gives marching orders to the inferior courts about
how to rule on a second amendment case.
They don't care.
They're like that. Throw it against the wall
we'll see if it sticks. Who cares if
it cost taxpayers millions of dollars. They look
at you like a Atm. You're an open
checkbook, they can reach into your pants pockets

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Without being charged with sexual assault and they
can take the money right out of your
wallet. It's unbelievable.
I... I'm in a position right now where
I'm selling a piece of property in the
long term capital,
capital gain tax on it
is
so immoral.
There were days when I almost lost the
building that I bought

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because of the market
conditions or the economy.
And so as a result of owning it
and holding it for
whatever it is 14 years,
Now that it's... The the market is has
an upside potential and I can take advantage
of it. The government wants to reach my
pocket and take 34 percent of it.

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It's unbelievable.
It is so madden,
and it's like, where did you help me?
When times were rough when I was taking
losses.
You you didn't help me. Yeah. You didn't
charge me any tax, but you also didn't
help me. Hold on with you know, white
knuckles,
and all of a sudden, the market swings

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around and you're, like, pay up pal, pay
the piper.
I know I'm preaching to the choir here.
How about cruise shank versus the United States,
which is 1 of the
supreme court cases that the left likes the
point to to... Point to a historical analog
for restricting people from bearing arms.
Even though it was trying to keep guns

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out of the hands of black people,
they they'd say, oh, well, we don't agree
with that anymore, even though their policies
really do affect minority communities more than anybody.
But back in the 18 75, which isn't
even the analogous period
for when you have to
show that the...

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United States restricted people.
It's actually 17 91.
It's an eighteenth century thing, but Cruise sc
first Us, says the right to bear arms
is not granted by the constitution.
You don't say.
Neither is it in any
manner
dependent
upon that instrument for its existence.

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Wait a minute.
I thought the bill of rights is what
gave me the right to keep and bear
arms.
Well, not according to cruise shank is pre
existed. Right?
Which is obvious. It's axiom to the very
text of the second amendment.
The right
to keep in bear arms.
It acknowledges the right pre.

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By the way, I forgot to throw out
the phone number, which we're getting in the
call right now.
But the second amendment means no more than
that it shall not be infringe. By Congress.
And has no other fact than to restrict
the powers of the national government, and I
would argue the state government too Alright. You're
first up on rapid fire. Go ahead.

(31:42):
Oh, hold on 1 sec. I gotta port
you over. There we go. We should have
you loud and clear now. Sorry? Go ahead.
We got you now. Push push the right
button.
Yeah. So just a couple of quick points.
Remember, all rights as citizens
comes from the declaration of independence.
That's where the right to keep and their

(32:02):
arms exist. Primarily. That's the prime directive
because we have the right to alter
or to abolish any government that becomes tyra
towards us.
Mh.
I would say though that
I know what you mean, but I don't
think a document gives us a right. That

(32:22):
document is what acknowledges the right existed.
Correct. It's put in writing. It's been signed
to. It's quote contract with the people. Of
the United States or as the
constitution is a contract with the public servants.
Who don't have rights in our legal fictions
Right. I agree with that. Hundred percent. And...

(32:44):
Okay. That's why we going. Yeah. Yeah. The
constitution is a 1 way directional wall.
That affects cor, not us. You know, it's
the... It's a strict government, and that's what
I meant by the cruise crucial, this vision
was, you know, like you said, when you
emailed me, It's it's acknowledging the right exists
outside of the bill of rights.

(33:05):
It's it's just saying... Again when it comes
from the declaration of independent. Is what I'm
saying? Yeah. And... Alright. It's firm there first
and or?
The suffolk resolves of 17 74.
Yeah.
So you've brought that up a bunch of
times, Don, and I appreciate you doing that.
Does the suffolk resolve

(33:26):
in
the only reason I don't bring that up
is because, in my opinion, it's
it's
Yes, it pre the constitution, but I feel
that the constitution super sees it. Correct?
Well, yes. But the
constitution affirm as does of the declaration of
the independence, all rights established.

(33:48):
Previous 2 those 2 documents,
which would be the first continental congress the
second continental call, and the articles of consideration.
It's the same thing here in Massachusetts.
We recognize the Massachusetts body of Liberties
from 16
41.
The rights that are contained therein in.

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And the the only statement in the Massachusetts
constitution is is that unless it conflicts
with the Massachusetts
constitution or the rights contained near other people,
then it is an null void. But if
it doesn't,
it has standing today. Mh.
So that's why Was going with the suffolk
resolve. I mean, it was adopted by the

(34:31):
Us,
Well,
the the continental congress in September 17 74.
So,
that's why Going that. Now I never told
you.
I never told you that I met Suzanne
G hop,
the woman whose parents were killed at Louise
cafeteria,
And she was mandated by Texas law to

(34:52):
keep her gun in the car. She couldn't
bring it into the cafeteria.
Right. She flew up here in early 2000
to cover her mass, and I kept to
sit right across the table with her and
discuss the massachusetts its gun laws, which really
discussed her, But Yeah. And this is a
little historical fact there. Yeah.
That's that's a tragic story and a very

(35:12):
powerful testimony every time I see it. When
she testified before Congress. And
yeah, just
just a tragedy, really. And I would argue,
and I've said this many times that when
when you look at what goes on in
heavily gun restricted areas and the violence that
naturally arises out of that,
the the blood is on the hands of

(35:34):
the policymakers makers and the and the mayors
and the and the judges that let them
go.
You can't blame homeowners owners for that, which
is what the media tries to do. And
the politicians always try to point it back
to the gun store and the straw purchasers
and the people in Gary Indiana the stores
in Indiana that are selling guns that

(35:54):
over to
Chicago.
And you're saying gun unlock don't work. Oh
okay. Yeah. So, the point I'm... You see
if we just
Go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah. I was just
gonna save, like... Over if we just...
We're talking over... If we just shut that.
Yeah. If we just shut down the gun
stores where they sell guns that are retained

(36:15):
by criminals, if we shut them all down,
well, we'll only get to 1 gun store,
And if we shut that 1 down, then
won't have guns anywhere. Now they.
Yeah. The work just like the war on
drugs did. Right? On.
No they handle all those big
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Now quickly, I mean, nobody

(36:35):
has Ubi Cafeteria through pots or pans or
dishes or tables or chairs at the guy
with the gun, They just sat there and
wait to be shot. Yes. That's the scariest
part of all. Yes. I agree with you...
I really boom me away. That's a a
great point on. Thanks for the call, man.
As always, you got great input. And I
appreciate you.
Alright. Bye. Thank you tony. Bye bye.

(36:57):
05:08 4 04/04/2120
is the number if you wanna be on
with me.
I'll put the ticker up. So if if
I you forget it,
there it is. But, anyway,
Dawn raises a great 0.1
of the thing I remember from the vin...
Virginia tech shooting was

(37:17):
this guy is in the library. You means,
basically, walking down the line with his Walther
p 22 pistol putting into the back of
people's heads and pulling the trigger.
And everyone sitting there, and 1 guy said,
I was just waiting for it to be
my turn.
And it's like, holy smokes.
We have lost our way as as a
society if we think that it's a... We

(37:38):
just have to wait for our turn to
be executed, Like, no.
Like, I'm not going down without a fight.
I'm picking books and chairs and tables and,
you know,
shoes and fist, and I'm going down he's
going down with me. And eyeballs are coming
out in the process and bite marks are
gonna be had and chunks of skin will

(38:00):
will come come away if I'm disarmed in
the process, but,
this proves that we have
taken away
violence from society to the point where we
don't even think it's okay for self defense.
It's insanity.
You know, there's something to be said for
the old school
yard

(38:22):
meetings where 2 boys who,
you know,
take off their hats and
fight it lunchtime and get it detention and
then they shake hands and their best friends
after that. Right?
Or the kid who punches the bully in
the nose.
He shouldn't be suspended for 2 weeks like
the bully. He should be
you know, said, hey,

(38:42):
you know what? Violence isn't always the, but
when the guy picking on you, and you
punch them in the nose to defend yourself.
That's a good idea. There's a lot of
people whose parents,
you know, if the bully picked on you
and you got home and told your dad
and he said, would you do about it?
Well, I I didn't do anything.
Well, tomorrow punch him in the nose.
You know, well, he'll beat the crap out

(39:03):
of me. Yep.
But at least you punched them in the
nose.
That's the mentality we need to have, not...
We gotta take our beating
Right?
That's not the way it is. It's
it's, hey.
And even if you are up pac and
you were willing to take a beating for
somebody or for some reason, fine.

(39:26):
That's okay.
But I'm not willing to let my family
take the beating.
And watch me stay there and say, come
on, guys. Take 1 for the team. My
daughter, my sons are you kidding me? I
would defend them with my life. And what
moral person wouldn't.
So really,
I understand if if you wanna turn the
other cheek for the sake of yourself.

(39:47):
But don't make your family do it too
for your moral superiority or whatever you wanna
call it. And believe me, I'm a christian.
I believe in turning the other cheek. I've
had people assault me and I didn't fight
back.
I don't believe I I need to. However,
my family is owed and has an obligation
and has a right to have their father

(40:08):
come home from work
and be a provider and a dad and
a, you know, my parents deserve to have
a son. They shouldn't have to bury me
before they go to the grave. Right? All
because I think some bad guy with a
gun you know, should be able to shoot
me. Now I don't wish upon anyone to
ever be in that situation of life and
death choices,

(40:28):
but the truth of the matter is evil
exists in this world.
And if we're not willing to defend the
innocent, defend of the the defenseless,
you know, we're we're not much better ourselves,
frankly.
05:08,
4 04/04/2120
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to a quick break.

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Welcome back to rapid fire. You weekly show
all things guns freedom. Second amendment. And self

(42:37):
defense.
I'm toby O'leary, and I'm happy you're here
with me enjoying the show. Get a great
show for you. I'm gonna go to your
comments in the chat and
In the second hour, we're gonna have John
Pet, the Penn patriot,
join us
for a lively discussion.
Over there. So I'm happy to
announce he'll be joining us in the second

(42:58):
hour.
So
couple quick notes. If you wanna be on
the phone with me, it's 05:08 4 04/04/2120.
You can also type your question in the
chat and hopefully, we'll get to it.
Let's see,
Mike is talking about how it is in
California with a... He bought a loretta Tom
cat, which we can't even sell by the

(43:19):
way, Mike, So you got that going for
you, yesterday, and now it sits in California's
10 to 30 day background check jail. Yes.
And I know... California has a 1 in
30. Right? You can only buy a gun
a month in California like, New Jersey and,
whoever thought that was a good idea. You
already have guns
that you could

(43:40):
potentially do some evil with.
But
if you wanna buy 2 guns in 1
month, that's a warning sign that you might
be plotting
evil intent upon this earth
It's like, give me a break. Are you
out of your minds? This is a constitutional
protected right. It's like, you can only go

(44:01):
to church once a month.
I'm sure they'd love that.
Some of these politicians anyway.
And there's the Penn patriot now. Good afternoon,
Patriots.
Charlie is in the in the chat as
well. Riding Shotgun with Charlie,
has a great
Youtube channel. You should go check it out.

(44:23):
I think episode 01:43,
if I'm not mistaken is probably the best
1 he's ever done,
which is not true.
Not even close,
and I don't know if that number's right.
It might be 01:46 or 01:47 or whatever.
It's way after a hundred. So it took
me a while to get on that show
and ride in the coach, the stage coach,

(44:43):
But, anyway,
we're glad to have him in the audience
and he's got a great Joey has a
very unique Youtube channel, which you
should check out and follow and like and
subscribe.
Joey Let's see,
Eric
Wilder, who is a former range

(45:03):
manager here at Cape moved. He left
the iron curtain.
He managed to escape
and go to the shine state, and he
rubs it in our face every chance he
gets.
And works at a gun store down there,
selling suppressor, selling High capacity, you know, standard
capacity magazines here, I am using Massachusetts Lingo.

(45:26):
Those large clips
that hold more than 10 rounds.
And
he he loves his job. I'm sure, and
he says he sold a gun to a
retired swat guy from New York, who,
confirmed the background check for Ammo story, which,
yes. That is absolutely a thing. It's unbelievable,
but that is the the way it is

(45:47):
in
New York right now. It's it's madden.
You can't ship Ammo there. You can't
and you have to do a background check
in order to buy it. It's it's just...
I'd love to see where it says in
the text and the second amendment just like
the 1 gun a month or the, you

(46:08):
know, 30 day wait,
while they conduct their background check for someone
who's already licensed and background checked every which
way Sunday.
Anyway, the nuke gun laws did not come
out of committee yet g webs. That's why
I'm sounding the alarm. I'm trying to say,
guys.
Let's do this.
Let's hammer them. We got a week left

(46:29):
to hammer them and tell them how we
feel about it and say,
where do you get the right to do
this?
And by the way, when it does come
out,
they're shooting for 07:15.
So next week, the fifteenth,
which is ironically similar to 07/20/2016,

(46:51):
which is when
mo He Edi came out.
So
apparently, bad things happen in July when
people are on summer vacation, not paying attention.
I don't know. They tried to pull a
fast 1 on us last year, Marian
forcing it through as we monologue in the

(47:11):
first part of the show.
So
Yeah. It hasn't come out yet. It's scheduled
to come out. I mean, not scheduled, but
they're aiming to get it out in 5
days so that gives us 5 days to
hammer them and remind them that they should
steer clear of further restrictions on our second
amendment. If they wanna do any good around
the laws in Massachusetts. They should start to

(47:33):
reduce them. They should start to take them
away as they affect
lawful peaceful citizens.
And get on the right side of history,
maybe do away with the license to carry,
maybe do away with the F card.
By the way, we talked about how the
state has appealed the Donald
case, which was at a lowell district court.

(47:56):
Last year that,
gentleman from New Hampshire or maybe he's Vermont,
came into Massachusetts and was
carrying a gun, and he got arrested for
unlawful possession of a magazine and a gun
and ammunition and everything else. He threw the
book adam. He won in district court.
In light of the Brewing mandate,
and

(48:17):
the state is appealed this decision. And I
believe oral arguments are being scheduled. So
so
that's something to watch
as well. And
they can't lose that 1. Right?
And I think that's gonna be great if
they... If it goes to the
first circuit court of appeals, and they lose.

(48:38):
Oh, man. That's gonna be wonderful, because guess
what?
That will change the licensing scheme,
especially the non resident licensing scheme forever.
And I love the
judge in the Donald case when he said,
we don't check any other right at the
state line.
Right? And he's right.
You can go to church in another state.

(49:00):
You can, you know, write a paper. You
can
speak at a
public event in any other state. You can...
You don't forfeit your fourth amendment rights or
your fifth amendment rights or
at the state line. So anyway,
we have that.

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And can I go over how long this
bill will be implemented?
It's usually after it passes a hundred and
20 to a hundred and 80 days.
Depending on which version of the bill comes
out, I think they're trying to get it
on the shorter side, like, a hundred and
20 days. So
if it comes out, let's just speculate here
wildly speculate.

(49:43):
If it comes out on the fifteenth,
that gives
the
legislature about 15 days
to bring it to floor vote up or
down in the senate and on the house.
And it's just gonna go straight to the
floor. There's not gonna be any public input.
There's not gonna be any debate, I believe,
I think it just gets put out to
the floor for an up down vote.

(50:05):
And if it succeeds,
then it goes straight to the governor's desk
for signature. Once she's, signs it.
It's about a hundred and 20 days. So
what I have been saying in the last
few weeks is just get what you want
now, just
just get your
Ar alternative, Get whatever semi automatic rifle, you

(50:26):
wanna have,
get it now.
And frankly, there's there's even things in their
in the original version which they could bring
back and committee
that
did away with pre band magazines
that did away with
grandfather in clauses. We don't know what's gonna
come out. I don't think it's gonna be

(50:46):
as bad, but
you never know. And by the way,
that'd be a good time to
remind you guys
to go vote in our poll.
Let's check that out.
This week's poll is with the Massachusetts
legislature working fe

(51:06):
behind the scenes in this conference committee to
come out with a bill
that they can vote up or down and
get the governor Heal desk before the end
of the month.
Will the legislature go with H413
nines language and just stick with that. Will
they stick with the senate, move and replace
bill for senate bill 21 84.

(51:27):
Which is a little less worse than 4139
for gun owners,
or
thirdly, will they come out with a hybrid,
that's less offensive of both bills
or last but not at least, nothing will
happen. They're gonna let it die in conference
and it's not gonna emerge and get voted
in by our governor. So I'd love to
know what you think, so go over to

(51:48):
x and vote our poll. Those are your
choices,
and I'll see you on rapid fire radio.
Thanks for tuning in.
Alright. Well, there you have that.
So, yeah, I'd love to know what you
guys think about that.
And
I hope
it's option 4 that it dies in committee.

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Believe me.
I really hope it is.
So much patriotism at this moment.
Thank you, Mark. I appreciate it. And Mark,
You guys should all take a part page
out of Mark's book. Not only has he
trolled
Michael Day with t shirts,
but he is expert level
trolling Michael Day on social media, and he

(52:30):
doesn't let him come up for air. He
hammers him hard, and I appreciate that. So
you guys could be like Mark
and do your part and,
trolling all of these guys.
And I agree with you
John that our rights come from our creator.
I mean, it's en ent in in the
constitution. We hold these rights

(52:52):
to be self evident.
Man, if that doesn't speak to something that
we lack in American nowadays,
it was so obvious to the founders
that they wrote that it was self evident.
You know, hey, guys, These these things are
obvious.
It isn't, like, we need to tell you

(53:12):
about them because
you don't know about them. It's because
you know about them. I know about them,
the tyra government knows about them, but their
tyrant and they're restricting these rights.
That all men are created equal
and are endowed by
the Massachusetts

(53:33):
legislature.
No.
They're endowed by their creator with certain
una,
una
rights
You can't attach to them. You can't put
conditions on them. You can't put requirements on
them. You can't charge a fee for them.
You can't issue a license for them.

(53:53):
Liberty without license, like the holy yoke, is
it the holy
courthouse or can't Camden County Courthouse says, Liberty
without license.
That
certain una
rights among them are
life,

(54:13):
liberty
and the pursuit of happiness.
How do you have life if you can't
defend it?
Life is worth defending. Right?
If someone else can just take that from
you, is it really a right?
No.
Liberty
is
the freedom to do what you want without

(54:34):
government intrusion,
small government.
Self government.
In order in order to take care of
yourself, your household, provide, do the best job
you can.
And government's gonna get out of your way
and let you do it.
And by the way, if government says they're
gonna get in their way your way and

(54:55):
prohibit you from doing it.
That's where the second amendment comes in.
And he say, no. Just like Don said,
we have a right to
dispose of tyra governments.
It's acknowledged right in our
right in our
founding documents.
And so anyway,
there you have that.

(55:18):
Quickly,
I am number 01:43,
and the Penn patriot is number 93. He
he made a big time before me.
I I...
It took me a while to get on
riding shotgun. Come with Charlie. You know, that's
fine. I get it, but better late than
never is all I got to say. But
if anyone wants to hear the story of
how Cape Gun works was founded and you

(55:40):
don't know
how that was. We tell that story on
the writing shotgun Charlie was pretty cool. Pretty
cool to actually, we're driving around and I'm
like, hey, in that building over there is
where it all started. It's kinda neat a
spoiler alert. Sorry about that.
They state king of gl. Yes. We are,
no doubt. And, Miguel, I I am empathize

(56:00):
for you.
Lt is a scam contacted my local Pd
in November with my intentions to submit that
application and still in the process
just submitted my prints last month and I'm
still waiting for the interview.
Unbelievable. A right delayed is a right denied.
I don't know who said that, but I

(56:20):
certainly
agree.
And
let's see.
And now we weighed on politicians.
Oh,
Lin balm was called the coin the base
8 king of gl. I get it.
Sorry. I was missing that myself.
But

(56:42):
yeah.
We do wait for politicians to tell us
what to do.
Alright. We're gonna go to a quick break
and on the other side, we're gonna get
right to it with John
Pet, the penn patriot.
So you don't wanna miss out on that.
It's gonna be a
phenomenal,

(57:03):
so discussion, I am sure.
And,
but right now, we're gonna go to a
quick
kind of the week video, which I think
you'll find interesting. It's not my typical done
of the week. So
here you have that. And
Rapid fired, kind of a week.

(57:26):
Hey everyone, Toby from Cape Gun works here
and rapid fire radio, and this week's rapid
fire gun of the week
is
probably 1 of my favorite bull pop,
This gun is really cool. It's my favorite
bull up because a, it's very short overall
length, not a lot of moving parts on
it. And b,

(57:47):
I think it has 1 of the lowest
bore accesses of all the bull pops. Most
bull ups have all of the both carrier
group and
recoil spring and stuff on top. So therefore,
the bore access gets very high. In some
cases, 4 and a half inches,
This 1, the pick rail is probably only
an inch over the over the bore of

(58:10):
the of the gun. So you'd probably have
a 2 and a half 3 inch total
bore act this differential if you put the
red dot site on this. But I think
this gun is really well thought out,
has a charging handle on the side. That
you can lock in the open position. When
you're doing Mag changes, you can slap it
down and it'll
send that first round home. The other thing

(58:30):
that's cool about it. And by the way,
that's am extras. You can put that charging
handle on either side.
And the other thing that's cool is the
safety is andy.
And it's a very big, flat,
like,
diving board type of, safety, which is really
easy to articulate.
For putting the safety on and defeating it

(58:51):
and taking it off. The other thing that's
really cool about it is the brass
just kinda spills out the back. It doesn't
fling it anywhere. So if you're thinking about
in a con can confined space shooting in
a shooting booth, like at high range, the
brass isn't gonna be pinging all over the
walls, nor is it gonna be flying off
walls if you're using this for a home
defense gun. It has some pick rail on

(59:13):
the bottom. For a vertical 4 grip, flashlight,
laser,
any of those type of accessories.
There's not a whole lot of other rail
sections to put
attachments on, but that's okay for what this
gun is probably most likely to be used
for, which is again, a home defense type
of gun. If you put a red dot
sight, you still got plenty of pick rail

(59:34):
up here for lasers and lights as well.
So you got the 12:00 and 06:00 pick
any rail. For pretty much anything you need.
It's got a built in sling swivel in
the logical point for a,
single point attachment.
Where it would balance best, and it's on
both sides, and it requires a power clip.

(59:54):
There's also a little sling attachment point on
the front.
And on the back if you wanted a
2 point sling. There's actually a couple of
spots. You got this big hook on the
top, and then you got these little swivel
on the sides. On and again, it's thought
out well to accommodate both sides.
So you can attach on the front and
the back for a 2 point

(01:00:14):
sling or in the single point spot. How
I think this gun could be better
is the mag release. So you'll see they
made it so that you push back
on your hand
on the mag, and it'll drop the mag
free, which does tend to work. Especially with
metal mag.
So if you're shooting shooting shooting and you

(01:00:35):
hit bolt walk, you can just push back,
the mag will drop out. I would prefer
it to be a button up here somewhere
on the trigger guard or a lever to
push down on the trigger guard to drop
the mag, but I understand why they did
this. It's a lot less linkage and everything
else. But that's my only critique of of
the gun is I would prefer to have

(01:00:56):
a tactile
button to push.
Instead of just pushing back on my hand
because I wouldn't want it to get caught
in my wrist or something like that. If
and I gotta break the control hand of
the gun. So I much rather keep my
controlling hand on the gun during my mag
change
than
breaking my grip as I go for my
spare mag because I could potentially drop the

(01:01:17):
gun. So that's my only critique of the
rifle. Other than that, it's a great value.
This gun is, like, 1200 and change for
a gun that takes Ar max semi automatic,
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Welcome back to rapid fire. Your weekly show
all things guns freedom second amendment and self
defense.
I am here with

(01:02:41):
a guest
that I think you're gonna really enjoy
His name is John Pet
from
the
Penn Patriot And I'm sorry I'm messing around
here with small buttons on a small monitor,
but anyway, thanks for coming on, John. How
are you today? I'm doing great, and thank

(01:03:02):
you so much for having me Toby and
I would be remiss if I didn't give
a gigantic shout out right now to John
Green from the gun owners actually league. You
see I've got my My Go hat here,
loud and proud in the background.
John Green is the 1 that gave me
the mon,
the penn patriot. I was like, oh, that
sounds really good. Next thing you know a

(01:03:24):
year later, we got a trademark going and,
everything else is history. But as you know,
I write for a number of 2 way
websites and the penn. It's just kinda my
mon
that are enrolling with. So, yeah. Actually, I
am gonna look away for a second because
I'm on your website. Which is john pet
dot com.

(01:03:44):
And there's a tab about articles and publications
and
you've been busy. Let's put it that way.
Why don't you tell everyone a little bit
about yourself, what it is you do?
For a living in, what you do as
your side hustle and
and just bring everyone up to date with
with what you what you've been working on.
So I'm a Jersey guy.

(01:04:06):
My side hustle is second amendment
driving.
Oh, yeah.
Well, so
here's the thing. So your entrance to
civilization
which would be going over that bridge,
from from the island side of Cape Cod
to Mainland,
Cape Cod.

(01:04:26):
That's where I went to school at mass
Maritime. So.
That's where I was for, you know, 4
4 and a half years,
4 and a half years
to get my primary education. So I'm a
merchant marine
for my living. But again, the second amendment
writing and journalism,
you know, my side thing, and I've been
involved in writing

(01:04:46):
for, you know, over 24, 25 years.
And in 20 15, I started to write
second amendment related journalism
and work.
And from, you know, 20 15 to 20
20, I started rolling out articles. We're not
talking about a ton of articles, but, you
know, I'm high myself over here. Like, yeah,

(01:05:07):
got published and Ammo putting my stuff out
there and I felt great.
And then in 20 20, everything changed.
For me as far as my writing career
because I was
kinda taking things to the next level. At
that point, I had had work out in
Am,
bearing arms

(01:05:28):
and the truth about guns. And this was
all just writing for a by line. And
then in 20 20, Am had approached me
about working for them as a freelancer where
I actually, you know, Am writer for them
that contributes, and I can, you know, draw
a check for the work that I deal.
That's also the same year.
Yeah. Yeah. It was it was nice to

(01:05:49):
actually get rewarded
for doing the work.
And that was also the same year that
I published my book decoding firearms, and, you
know, you and I have talked about that
in the past. This is is my book.
It's called decoding firearms. It's an easy to
read guide on general gun safety and use.
And it's kind of a 01:01
level
explanation on firearms

(01:06:10):
and,
everything like that. And in there, I've got
you know, 266
pages of information and over a hundred and
15 original
illustrations. Now it's not a perfect book. But
it's
it's it's it's pretty decent, I think. And,
those of you who are interested in that.
You can get that off Amazon.

(01:06:31):
So then in, you know, come 20 20,
opportunity really knocked. I was writing more for
Am, more and more for them. And then
by the time that
20 21 rolled around, early 20 21 by
March,
Cam Edwards had brought me on to be
a freelancer with bearing arms. So now that
was another site that said, okay. You've got

(01:06:52):
the you've got the tap. You can, you
know, write for us and, you know, here's
all the paperwork and all that
Mum jumbo.
Both of those sites by the way, Don't
means to interrupt, but cut you off, but
both of those sites are, like, my go
to
for
second amendment news. You know, I talk a
lot on this show about second amendment news
and and whatnot. And

(01:07:14):
generally speaking, I'm I'm always on either bearing
arms or Ammo land as my
2 main sources. I do also go to
Bright bar. They have a good second amendment
column.
I know Sure.
There's a couple of good contributors there. There's
also
the truth about guns and other other
stuff I tap for for second amendment news,

(01:07:36):
but bearing arms and Amoled of my 2
go. I think they're the best out there.
Yeah. Now... And and and they are. They
are awesome. They gave me a lot of
great opportunity. I write primarily.
Most of my work, I pushed through bearing
arms because there's, you know, a limited amount
of, you know, people that contribute to bearing
arms. So I have a good opportunity to
be a bigger part of what the audience

(01:07:57):
looks at. But, again, I put out work
at Am land. I also write for the
truth about guns, you know, I have a
relationship with them. And shooting news weekly. That's
another site. So those are all sites that
I freelance for where I have a relationship
working with them. And then beyond that, I
also write for news 2 a dot com
now. That's kind of a new website. It's

(01:08:18):
about a year and a half old, maybe
about a year and a half old, And
they're putting out some really remarkable new stuff.
A lot of stuff that's centered on New
Jersey, but they do the whole entire country
to be honest with you. So I contribute
over there,
as well as at the armed lifestyle, and
those are 2 sites that I'll send work
to you know, kinda just free of charge

(01:08:39):
for them to help them, you know, grow
their audience and I think they're doing great
things and also Charlie cook rights for both
of those sites as well. So
those of you who don't know who Charlie
cook. You need to check him out writing
shotgun with Charlie. He's got a great show
that,
everyone should be familiar with. So
check that out.

(01:09:00):
I forget. Yeah. I think I was... I
think I was number 01:46 on his show.
And and I knew
that I was established in the 2 way
community when I finally made it onto to
Charlie Show. So
I gotta be honest with you My favorite
episode of riding shotgun with Charlie was actually
riding in a shopping cart with Toby.

(01:09:21):
Yeah. When you
so I don't know if you wanna talk
to that because I thought it was a
monumental
event.
That was
that was probably a once of 1 in
a lifetime event that probably won't ever re
reoccurring again, but
that was pretty funny. We had it... We
hosted 1 of the gun makers matches

(01:09:41):
it was the... A regional gun maker's match
and instead of the national 1. So we
had a bunch of
guys here. We had Rob Pink and Jared
Jonas, and Charlie Cook came in late, you
know? And and
we we ended up in of course, John
Green and stuff. We had a great day.
It was a phenomenal day where we made

(01:10:02):
guns on day 1. And on day 2,
we all went shot of competition with the
guns we made the prior day. So
was a lot of fun. And
you didn't have to participate in day 1
in order to participate in day too, which
was cool because they too, there was some
really unique guns involved. Like, guys who had
milled
guns out of like, bill it steel and,

(01:10:24):
like, really
good craftsman. But anyway,
there was this 1 segment of the day.
We're all sitting down doing kind of a
recap of what's going on. And and yeah,
we decided to film an episode of
writing in the shopping cart with Toby.
Like, they took turns pushing me around a
job and got just kind of a

(01:10:45):
silly
silly tribute to what Charlie cook does with
riding Shotgun on with Charlie So anyway.
I volunteered and
internet lives is great.
Yeah that's fine. For sure. I think it's
great. I think all the work that everyone's
doing
is is top notch. And, you know, I
like to see things like the gun makers

(01:11:06):
matches and and that type of thing. So
you guys are breaking, you know, tremendous ground
over there.
But to continue where we left off. So
Writing for all these places. So I went
from having, like, you know, patti myself on
the back
about having maybe
you know, 60 articles or 30 articles published

(01:11:26):
over the course of 5 years and, like,
I'm making it to now. I think I've
got probably upwards of 800 articles, and I'm
doing, you know, investigative journalism work. I did
get my my papers as a credential
journalist here in New Jersey. I had a
work to kinda get those. But, you know,
I am a vetted member of the press

(01:11:48):
now. And it feels pretty good. Okay and
all of this is just, like I said,
the the side hustle.
Well, it was funny. I I was at
an event last weekend and
was it last weekend?
I forget.
I forget what... If it was the thing
I went to on Saturday or not. It
might have been Oh. No No. Yeah. It

(01:12:09):
was last week. I was down at,
Gun talk media
headquarters.
And and I'm not gonna say who, but,
1 of the guys there. There was a
couple of members of the press there. There
was a journalists there and whatnot. It was
a it was kind of a a preview
of something that's gonna come in the fall
from Rug and this great
collaboration and whatnot. And so somebody said that

(01:12:31):
they remember the press. And so the guy
the guy who
heard that was Chris Ser from tops shot.
You know, he was 1 of the
contestants on tops shot. And he said,
I heard it said once that
if my daughter
became a prostitute,

(01:12:52):
a drug addict
and a murderer,
I would forgive her.
But if my son became a journalist,
I don't have a son.
So anyway.
Take that for and there's and there's
now, and and to be fair,

(01:13:15):
my
entrance into this little club,
didn't come easily. It was, like, it took
6 months before that they... Before they actually
credential debate. Like, they were not...
It took it took a lot of work
because I do write a lot of delicious
stuff. I write a lot of opinion that's
contrary to the fray.
And to their credit, they are...

(01:13:35):
They work very hard to be unbiased,
at least the society does,
in their works. And they and they do
call out
hypocrisy and they do call out when there's
people being overly biased
And I have gotten some attention from them
myself in a positive way
as far as some of my new stories.

(01:14:05):
Freezing
bit here.
Yeah. Okay. Sorry that. It says
recording error you got me?
Okay. Do do you you still me?
Yep.
Well, let me double check that to be
on the safe side.
Let me okay. Let me just check you
in connection here. No, I'm still recording so

(01:14:26):
good.
But it was just the connection loss a
little bit of...
Probably.
Okay.
Yeah. Yeah. No problem.
It happens.
It happens from time to time.
You you would think that suburban, New Jersey
would have a great Internet connection.

(01:14:50):
Yeah.
It's
it's unbelievable of,
you know, done the show from
my phone I've done it from
a lot of different places, and it's... You
you'd think the...
Sometimes you're in a building in a good
area and it you got zip for coverage.
So anyway, no another subject, but that's that's

(01:15:11):
good because I think the credentialing part of
it gets you places, you can't normally go.
I found out the hardware last year at
Shot show because I signed up for a
immediate pass because I'm rapid fire radio and
and they wouldn't let me in the building
with my media un credential media
that I am. So they're like, no. You're

(01:15:31):
a gun retailer and I'm like,
I kinda am a, you know,
gun media guy I have 3 shows a
week. What do I gotta do to be
considered media they're like, well, it isn't you.
So
get to the back of line and get
signed up the right way. So I'm like,
okay. I guess. So the funny thing is
they gave me. Yeah. Well, the... We'll know
it retailer. We'll.

(01:15:52):
Pass with the m on it for the
media.
It's like,
you know,
what's a big deal here. But
there you have it...
Oh, yeah.
They didn't wanna get
official credentialing. Let's put it that way? At
Shot show. That was a bridge too far.

(01:16:12):
But you've written
hundreds of articles,
a book, as you mentioned,
do you do a lot of your writing
out at c when you're when you're out
at c?
So I do. I do I get a
lot of work done since my schedule
allows me to have, you know, ample amounts
of time off, you know, 12 hours on,

(01:16:35):
12 hours off. That 12 hour off time,
like, there's really nothing to do
I shouldn't say nothing to do. You can
eat.
You could go to the gym,
and you could watch Tv. Right? And I
do a combination of some of those things,
and you can figure out which ones.
But,
after I do spend my time in the

(01:16:57):
gym, I will crank out some work,
up in my room. I bring my laptop
with me. And,
I tend to be a little bit more
prolific when I'm
when I'm away. Depending on what I have
going on at home, yeah, I'll be cranking
out work, but for example, this last month,
I've been so busy that
you know, I only put out a handful
of articles, and then also a couple of

(01:17:19):
posts for the other website that we'll talk
about a little bit later that we kinda
spoke about in the pre show.
And just trying to get the time to
to work on that stuff, you know, it's
work life balance. So when I am away,
you know, I'm gone, but when I'm home,
I feel that my free time belongs to
to my family. So I'm gonna do

(01:17:39):
whatever it is that they wanna do and
and stay with them. So I try to
not pull away from that time. So these
kind of things like this,
if it's, like, in the after evening where
it's getting close to family time, I I
try to limit those the the most I
can.
You know, I'll find myself sometimes recording stuff
a pee at 09:00 at night, 10:00 at

(01:18:01):
night just so that, you know, everybody's had
a chance to settle down, and we within
did our evening routine, you know?
So... Right. Yeah. So what what is some
of stuff you've been working on. You said
you've been real busy in the last month.
I know there's a lot going on in
legal world out there, and,
in New Jersey, etcetera. So maybe you could

(01:18:23):
tell us a little bit about that.
So the big the big thing that I've
been pulling from since March
is this permit to carry dashboard
that the attorney General in New Jersey
released. Now
what we need to do is do a
little bit of a backstory here and New

(01:18:45):
Jersey was 1 of the broom affected states.
So unlike Massachusetts where you guys have had,
you know, permits to carry or licenses
to carry and the right to carry,
going way back for years with the exceptions
of a handful of jurisdictions that make it
difficult, like Boston and some of your bigger
cities.
For the most part, if you were gonna

(01:19:06):
get a, you know, back in the day,
the Class A license or now the license
the carrier down the 1 permit.
A lot of times there weren't issues. You
guys got your permit and about 6 to
10 percent of your
population were
credential to to carry firearms in the base
state. Well, new Jersey is the complete opposite.
So we did not have any form of

(01:19:28):
permit to carry
for civilians. Now on paper, we did have,
you know, the permit it was there allegedly
existed, but very much so like New York,
there was a good cause
clause in there and what they called that
in New Jersey was just need. So
after the broom decision, that's when people in

(01:19:50):
New Jersey were then able to start to
be able to apply for and then get
permits to carry.
Of course,
of course, there was some something on some
kickback back from the state on this, and
And
did did you lose me?
I lost... We've lost you for a little

(01:20:11):
bit. I think we got the gist of
it though,
you were saying that after brewing, you started
to... There was some kickback in the estate
Okay.
There was some kickback from the state, and,
you know, of course, we had a brewing
response.
Law that was drafted and then enacted very
much similar to, you know, chairman days, efforts

(01:20:35):
in Massachusetts to completely destroy what has been
existing in your state for decades without issue,
but all of a sudden, it's a problem
because the, you know, the progressive in Dc
wanna give somebody a shiny prize if they
can get around the brewing decision.
New Jersey jumped on that bandwagon to destroy

(01:20:56):
what was there of the carry law. Of
course, now we're in the middle of litigation.
Part of that initiative to destroy carry
the attorney general put out this permit to
carry dashboard.
And I don't know what he was thinking
when he put out the dashboard because the
dashboard
basically
voluntarily handed us.
A ton of information that we no longer

(01:21:19):
had to submit for through government records requests.
And we were able to see which
jurisdictions were issuing permits, how many applications there
were, and all that kind of thing.
So right off the top, and 1 of
the first things that I noticed and it's
kinda funny because doctor John Lo beat me
by, like, 1 day on his coverage.

(01:21:41):
On this, but it was this subjective standards,
and I'm just... If you forgive me a
second, I wanna actually read you the actual
standards so I've got it right.
There's a standard
for getting your permit. And then again, just
need and good cause and all those things,
The reason why they were deemed
unconstitutional

(01:22:02):
is because they were subjective standards.
And the subjective standard that still exists in
New Jersey is 2 c 58 dash 3C5,
and it allows for
the
issuing authority to not issue to people that
they feel
don't meet the standards of it being in

(01:22:25):
the interest of the public health safety and
welfare
of the community. And specifically, it reads
Let me see if I can find it
for you here. I wanna get it right.
To any person where the issue would not
be in the interest of the public health
safety or welfare,
because the person is found to be lacking

(01:22:45):
the essential character of temperament
necessary to be entrusted with a firearm.
So that's a subjective standard, which we've learned
from B
is is not allowed. And
If you look at B specifically, it says
that the
standards are supposed to contain only narrow
objective and and definite standards

(01:23:08):
guiding local
licensing officials.
So right there, this matter of temperament and
what the issuing authority thinks of an applicant
is is against the law. They're not supposed
to continue to have that standard.
In the state. And that's the same standard,
and this is important for your listeners and
viewers. This is the same standard

(01:23:30):
that is used for getting our firearms
identification cards, which is similar to Massachusetts where
it's for long guns only long gun purchase
and long gun
possession as well as ammunition purchase, And then
also our pistol purchaser permits. So pistol purchaser
permits we need to get a permit for
every single handgun that we procure, and then

(01:23:51):
that permit is used and then
recorded
the transaction is recorded. Right? So there's
unlike Massachusetts where there's, you know, allegedly no
gun
registration in Massachusetts,
Massachusetts has a
registration of the transactions. New Jersey has a
straight up regis. They take the information, they

(01:24:13):
have it. They hold onto it. They know
what guns you have as far as handgun
guns.
So that's very important thing to understand that
this standard is not affecting just the permit
to carry. Yeah. Go ahead.
On that note, something that has really bothered
me about all permits, permit to purchase, licensed

(01:24:37):
carry, firearms owner
Card, F card, whatever it is. Whatever scheme
that they put into the
into the mix,
there's a Supreme court ruling called Murdoch v,
Pennsylvania 19 43.
And
I wanna read to you from the,
majority opinion

(01:24:58):
that
it's it's
unbelievable that no 1 has ever challenged
the firearms permitting schemes
based on Murdoch v Pennsylvania because it says,
that
it says a state may not impose a
charge
for the enjoyment of a right granted by

(01:25:19):
the federal constitution.
And if you read further down, that charge
isn't just
a fee, it's a license
or a permit as well. So the federal
government,
I mean, a state or local government is
banned or barred by Murdoch v Pennsylvania 19

(01:25:39):
43,
from
charging a fee,
selling a license or imposing a tax on
the enjoyment of a federally
constitutional protected right. And I'm wondering, I... I've
done a search on this, but I don't
have journalist
tools at my disposal
I'm wondering why no 1 has ever challenged

(01:26:00):
this on a second amendment level. I know
Murdoch, Pennsylvania was a first amendment case. But
still,
it doesn't say this only applies to the
first amendment. It's any
constitutional right. Why has it ever been challenged?
I don't know if maybe you could
in your journalism,
you know, do a Nexus Lexus search or

(01:26:20):
whatever that heck that you call it. And
find out if anyone's ever used this in
any type of challenge to licensing schemes. But,
I mean, you know,
I'm extremely frustrated and have been for the
last 30 years of my life because the
very first time I went to apply for
my license to carry at 18 years old.
I was...

(01:26:40):
I felt like something was really wrong,
knowing I had a constitutional protected right, but
yet, I had to take a test, take
a class, pay a fee, jump through hoops,
and maybe get issued, a license and op,
you can't have it for personal protection, but
you can have it for target hunting. It's
like, what the heck just happened? You know,
I wouldn't tolerate that. No other American would

(01:27:02):
tolerate that for any other right.
Whether it be the fourth amendment or the
fifth amendment or the first amendment. We don't
need a license to go to church. You
don't need a license for writing and
magazines or giving speeches and etcetera, etcetera. So
what gives? Where did we go so wrong?
I don't know. I know it's a rhetoric
question, but

(01:27:22):
Okay. I don't know if you've ever heard
that, you know.
I... I've heard you bring this up 4
in the past. And, you know, it it
is worth exploring further.
And, you know what? I'm gonna add it
to my to do list to you know,
maybe look into that and then even, you
know, pose the question myself in in an

(01:27:43):
article because it is it's it's a
and you've repeated it more than once. And
I I do think it is worth repeating
and looking into, and this is a good
thing maybe for the the legal scholars to,
you know, catch wind of. Because when you
are dealing with these
en rights in the bill of rights, like,
the first amendment should be holding hands with

(01:28:05):
the second amendment,
you know, for dear life, and to me,
there would be severe analog
to how these things are regulated.
And
so, yeah. I I agree.
It's funny because I I also,
talked to Dick Heller about that same thing.

(01:28:26):
And he said, thank you for bringing that
up. That reminds me what something I'm supposed
to be doing. So he didn't tell me
what, but So maybe he is working on
it. I don't know or somebody in his
sphere is working on it. You know,
hopefully, I I think it makes a lot
of sense,
but
anyway,

(01:28:47):
I've brought it up with lawyers
and they say, well,
it's because it's a first amendment case. And
I'm like, that doesn't jive with me. Like,
the the rights are either
they're either a right right or they're not.
Yeah. Exactly.
And so

(01:29:08):
Go ahead. I didn't mean to interrupt you,
but
you, you know, this,
I forget where we were. Are they saying
inside
profound and I triggered user you sent this
whole thought. But go ahead.
Oh, yeah. No. I agree. I agree with
everything you're saying.

(01:29:29):
So we're looking at these subjective standards
and these subjective standards were outlawed per brewing,
and the Brewing decision.
And what we found was that
about 50 percent, over 50 percent,
over 50 percent of the
denials

(01:29:49):
off the top with the permit to carry
applicants.
We're using this 2 c standard that's that's
a subjective standard.
And that's and, John. Here's... Here's what we're
gonna do.
Which which 1 sec. What what I'm gonna
do is I'm we're gonna We're... I'm losing
you again. So we're gonna go to a

(01:30:10):
quick break.
We usually break at the bottom of the
hour. Okay. So I'm gonna go to a
quick break
I'll ask you to disconnect and reconnect if
you don't mind, while I'm on break, and
then
as soon as
as soon as we come back from break.
Hopefully, we got a little bit more stable
of a connection. And
so we'll be right back

(01:30:31):
After this, we're talking with John Pet,
a penn patriot,
and we will be right back after this,
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and we're having a fascinating discussion with
John Pet
from
he's the Penn patriot, and I wanted to
get him

(01:32:43):
reconnected, and maybe we'll get a more stable
connection
because
he,
right now,
it's not sound so good, but let's see
how it goes here.
Alright. Welcome back, John, and
I appreciate you going through that exercise for
me. You never know if you'll be better

(01:33:03):
or worse, but that's live radio for you,
or in this case.
Recorded radio for you. Right?
So...
Hey.
At least there's no... Can you hear me
okay, Toby?
I hear you loud and clear. And before
there was a perfect Yeah. So this is
good. So...
Yep.
Alright. So before the break, we were talking

(01:33:24):
about
this arbitrary
permitting
scheme and the public health and safety awareness
and
you read that quote that they have to
be in the interest of the public health
in order to be,
granted a license and
you guys also reached out to the,

(01:33:45):
the state
to
ask about
clarification on that. Right?
And so... Yeah,
this turned into a very large series of
articles.
For me. And I'm, you know, I'm really
pushing it because
I wanna make sure that this information gets
out there. I think it's very important.

(01:34:06):
And so when I found that fifth... More
than 50 percent of the denials were under
this public health safety welfare standard, which does
of Verb Bolton standard,
I reached out to the attorney general's office
for comment on that And, you know, I
wanted to know what the deal was.

(01:34:26):
And
right across the board unilaterally,
the attorney general and their office said, you
know, we... The office declines to combat that.
And I think it's important to note that
when I say that I... Wrote the attorney
general's office.
I'm writing to both his press office

(01:34:47):
and to his personal
professional email address directly.
So both the press office, which is who
responds to my requests or comment
and his actual email are getting this correspondence.
So they can't claim
that they're not aware of the issues that
are being uncovered,

(01:35:08):
you know, while I'm asking for comment. And
so
That was the 1 issue. The the next
issue that we found was excessive delays in
issuing permits
So those excessive delays, you say, well, what's
an excessive delay?
Prior to Brewing,

(01:35:28):
the longest
delayed...
Permit. So somebody applied for a permit to
carry in New Jersey in 20 19 prior
to Brew,
and they got issued their permit over a
thousand days later. And that thousand days later
amounted to something like 6 or 9 months
after the brewing decision. So you have the

(01:35:51):
brewing
decision calm down
as issuing authorities or still waiting an additional
6 months
to issue permits.
Okay. Alright. Well, that was pre growing. So
maybe we could give them a past.
I mean, I don't wanna give them a
s on anything, but let's try to be
nice.
Okay?

(01:36:11):
Post brewing.
Post b weights for permits to carry. The
longest weight that I found was over 500
days.
So somebody waited over 500 days in order
to get issued their permit to carry after
the Supreme Court said,
you shall issue these permits.

(01:36:32):
The peasants shall have their pitch works,
know you can't take them away, and
What did they say in b that these
permitting schemes, if they're
constitutional or
constitutional if there aren't excessive fees, if there
aren't excessive weights, if there aren't burdens to
the to the applicants,

(01:36:55):
and part of that, we didn't even talk
about this in this series of articles,
but the excessive fees
they increased our fees for permits to carry
to 200
dollars
when they changed the law in December of
20 22.
Now they wanna increase the fee to 400
dollars.

(01:37:15):
Now if you told me Toby, it's a
400 dollar permit
that permits good for 6 years. I mean,
I wouldn't be in love with that. I
think that's a poll tax. I think that's
ridiculous, but 600
you know, 400 bucks for, you know, 6
years, 10 years.
Alright. We could swallow that pill if you
am

(01:37:36):
the price over the time. But this is
a 2 year permit, Toby.
Yeah. Ridiculous. That's... This is so
unconstitutional on its face as far as I'm
concerned,
I can't conceive
of a
situation where
this type of scheme is
constitutional in any situation. The closest thing I

(01:37:59):
could come up with as a
constitutional permitting scheme.
Is very similar to, like, Pennsylvania, which my
buddy who left Massachusetts move to Pennsylvania. And
he went down to the town hall and
I think he paid 20 bucks,
and they
we're, like, okay. I'll be right back, and
they went in the back and came out

(01:38:19):
with this permit.
And went. What? Like, are you kidding? And
they're like,
no. What what would you think was gonna
happen? I figured it out. Have To wait
a month or 2 and Like, oh, no
we print them right here, I'll be right
out, you know, and they handed him his
permit across the table after paying a 20
dollar fee. In
minutes. Like that is maybe

(01:38:41):
constitutional. But everything else like you go through
in new Jersey
what we go through in Massachusetts
is
let's call it what it is. It is
a backdoor
gun
prohibition
on
exercising your civil rights. That's really all it
is. Oh, yeah. And it's totally criminal, 100

(01:39:01):
percent. I applied for my permit to carry
in New Jersey in September of 20 22.
I was little late to the game.
Considering the decision came down in June. Right?
I got my permit issued right before shot
show in 20 23
And I realized when I was at Shot
show that they issued me my permit with

(01:39:23):
my wrong birth date on it. So I
had to go and get my new permit
rei
to me, which to their credit, they ex
took care of, but they still screwed it
up.
So I went from September to January to
get issued my permit.
Now not too long ago, couple months ago.

(01:39:45):
I put in my
application for my Pennsylvania,
non resident permit. Now mind you, this is
a non resident permit.
And they do allow you to
apply
depending on the jurisdiction via email and electronic
system.
I put my
application in at midnight Eastern standard Time.

(01:40:08):
At 8AM,
when I woke up after 8AM.
At 8AM, there was an email from that
issuing authority saying,
your permit is approved, come and pick it
up. And The most
difficult
part about me getting my Pennsylvania permit to
carry,
was driving the 2 hours to that sheriff's

(01:40:31):
department that I applied to. Now, truth be
told, I applied to a sheriff's department that
I knew was friendly to the second amendment
that I knew was friendly to out of
state getting their permits
and that was proved
in the 8 hour turnaround,
can we really call out an 8 hour

(01:40:51):
turnaround if that woman's because it was a
woman that received my paperwork. If her workday
starts at 8AM,
and I've got my acceptance
around 8AM,
what what do you call that wait time?
I think that's what you call instant.
Right. Right. And
it's funny because we had a similar

(01:41:12):
situation in Massachusetts. A lot of Massachusetts residents
would get
New Hampshire license to carry when they they
still issue it even though they're constant will
carry.
But we we would get would wait 1
to 3 months for our license.
And then
the meantime, they would apply to New Hampshire,

(01:41:33):
and they'd get it in less than a
week. You know, they'd get their permit back
in a week. That's right in the mail?
Like, what the heck? You know, this... And
it was so
shocking
to the people of Massachusetts who are so
used to the red tape and the bureaucracy
and the and the delays and the weights.
But
you bring up a interesting point. And we've

(01:41:54):
all heard the saying, you know, justice delayed
is Justice denied.
Well, what are rights delayed?
Our rights
delayed. Our rights denied, 100 percent, Toby.
So
excessive delays, another issue that we uncovered. So
what do I do? I reach out to
the attorney general's office yet again,

(01:42:16):
And it's like, I'm singing Alice restaurant Right?
And I went down there again, and I
wrote to the attorney general again.
And the attorney general, again said that we
declined to comment. They did not wanna comment
on that. Now there is a stat
a statutory
you know, time limit.

(01:42:36):
They have a hundred and 20 days to
issue these permits. But
not really. If you read the fine print,
it says a hundred and 20 days after
the issuing authority,
has determined that the application is complete. So
if you have your app
application, which is sitting on their desk and

(01:42:57):
now It's all electronic. So it's in the
ether,
it can sit there forever
until the issuing authority says, quote unquote,
it's complete.
You know, that's... This is
ridiculous.
And
I asked about that if there's any guidance
coming out on ensuring that permits get issued

(01:43:20):
within that hundred and 20 a time frame.
Again, radio silence
And what's interesting
about this data is 10 percent of the
permits
in New Jersey that were being issued.
Were after,
like, a hundred and 20 days or more.
So people are having their rights

(01:43:43):
I mean, they're
if you have to wait period end of
story. Let's get that clear. A hundred and
20 days is unreasonable in my opinion. But
let's play by their rules. 10 percent of
applicants are over a hundred and 20 days.
10 percent of applicants are also
under 10 days.
Okay. Now we're talking. So about 10 percent

(01:44:04):
of the jurisdictions,
almost have it right because
under 10 days is close to 1 day
in comparison to a hundred and 20,
right? I'm of the opinion that
you are
if this is
constitutional, it should be instant. Like, could give
it to me now.
I've already went through the hoops to buy

(01:44:26):
or I'm so you know I'm an eligible
person. What's the problem? Now you could talk
about training, and and all of the other
requirements and and needing to have a
qualification, and whether or not that's
constitutional until the sun comes up, But we
are not disqualify people if we're gun owners
that we bought our firearms from an F

(01:44:46):
nfl. So what is the issue? Right?
Right.
And then the average time on the issuance
of permits to carry was around, I wanna
say the 54
day mark 50 something days. I don't have
that number exactly in front of me.
Which
50 days is still, you know,

(01:45:07):
it's not as bad as waiting from September
September, October, November, December. That's 4 months. That's
more than 50 days. So even if I
was at the average, you know, I was
over the, you know, pretty much close to
being over that hundred and 20 day mark,
I didn't really
you know, map it out when they told
me, I was good to go, but nonetheless,

(01:45:30):
those are the problems that we found. I
also went in and that information about the
delays.
I
received that through an open public records act
request, and that
request is basically, like, a freedom of information,
act request in New Jersey.
And I had to request that because that
actual information wasn't in this dashboard.

(01:45:51):
What also was an
information that was in the dashboard
was
information about the race of the applicants. Now,
the attorney general,
when I sent them the open public records
Act request
turned around and gave me instructions on how
to act access the data.

(01:46:12):
I went through that dashboard. Other people went
through that dashboard. We were talking about this.
We knew that
it was impossible or difficult to access the
race data. We could not find it. But
nonetheless, armed with how to access this race
data, What did I find out?
We found out
that more than 2 and a half times

(01:46:35):
black applicants are denied permits to carry over
whites.
Okay. Well,
a lot of people will sit there and
say, well, there's higher instances of criminal, you
know, background in in the black community. And
we could talk about that, and we could
talk about that for years, and we could
talk about why that is, and we could

(01:46:56):
talk about failures in society. We could talk
about all that, but that's not what we're
gonna do. What we're gonna do is go
back to that subjective standard. This is the
1 where the issuing authority can say, hey,
this isn't in the interest of public health
safety welfare.
2.3
times
more,
blacks are denied over whites

(01:47:18):
on a subjective standard. So well over double,
blacks are being denied their rights to carry
in New Jersey. Based on an opinion,
Wow.
Wow. That's...
It... I talk about the racist history of
gun control
as if it was a thing in the
past.

(01:47:39):
Like,
you know, this thing that you,
you know, we had
we had the car... The cruise shank decision
in 18 75,
very racist Supreme Court decision. We had the
whole Jim Crow era.
We had a lot of bad,
bad racism.
And gun control was literally created

(01:48:02):
to keep guns out of the hands of
black people.
And
fast forward in 20 24,
June of 20 24,
we're still dealing with the same issue.
In places like New Jersey and probably in
other
may issue states that aren't quite complying with

(01:48:22):
the shall issue
brewing mandate that came as a result of
Nice e brewing.
So
I,
this is making, you know, my head explode
here because I would love to access this
type of data in my state, and I
bet you 20 bucks to Sunday.
This... It's probably pretty close to what's going

(01:48:42):
on in New Jersey.
It very may well be. And
You know, this is a thing that we
could talk about offline, you know, and maybe
it it'll be a good project for us.
But here's the thing. So we've got this
data
and we've uncovered this racial bias
in the permitting.
And I reached out to the attorney general's

(01:49:04):
office, Matthew Pla.
Okay. And can you guess what Matthew Platt
Office had to say to me, Toby? What
do you think you said?
We respectfully
deny comment at this time.
We declined to comment.
Okay. That's great.
That's awesome.
Yep. Yeah.

(01:49:25):
So you get, like, you get an a
on that, not an a plus because it
wasn't verbatim.
Rob. So what did I do? You know,
now the attorney general is fully
unnoticed. The attorney general knows that there are
all these permitting abuses in New Jersey
that we learned from his permit to carry
dashboard. Thank you for the present.

(01:49:48):
And his directive that the data be obtained
Thank you.
What did I do? I waited a little
bit of time, and I put about a
month's cas
between
the revelations and what we're, you know, figuring
out about
excessive weights
and what we figured out about subjective standard

(01:50:09):
denials and
specifically
racial bias.
And I filed 2 more open public record
acts requests,
in New Jersey to the attorney general. On
and both of those independent requests
requested similar
things. Both of the requests were seeking guidance.
From the attorney general
to issuing authorities.

(01:50:30):
I wanted to know what guidance the attorney
general sent to these
these police chiefs on issuing
specifically
about
excessive weights
over a hundred and 20 days
and racial bias and the use of a
subjective standard.
Did the attorney general send out

(01:50:52):
any
information to these issuing authorities about these
problems,
unconstitutional issues.
And my request, my Oprah requests,
they were denied, but it's not like they
were denied
because I didn't have a business
you know,
asking for the information

(01:51:14):
after the denial portion of the Oprah came
out, I'm reading
and from the custodian of the records for
the attorney general's office said,
no such record
exists.
The attorney general did not address the racial
bias. He did not address the excessive weights

(01:51:36):
and any of this
with permit to carry in New Jersey.
Wow,
unbelievable.
I'm from the government. I'm here to help.
Right?
Exactly. And this is
all very relevant,
coming up in a few,
with 1 of your future guests, This is
kind of relevant.

(01:51:56):
Because what did I do after I got
my oprah, and I found out there was
0 guidance.
I wrote the attorney general's office again, and
I asked them. Do they have any comment
on their lack of guidance and do they
intend on spending out guidance on these very
important issues And Toby, can you guess what
the attorney general had to say?

(01:52:19):
Let me see if I can get it
right this time. We declined to comment.
Bingo,
the office declines to comment.
So they are on they are on report.
They know about the issues and they know
that they have ignored the issues and they
know that they're being watched like a hawk.
And I think this is all very relevant,

(01:52:42):
especially because... And I'm not gonna steal the
thunder from another 1 of your guests.
But there is a lawsuit
New Jersey that doesn't have to do specifically
with permits to carry
but it does have to do with similar
abuses.
And when I wrote the attorney, general's office,
about the launch of this

(01:53:04):
lawsuit?
What do you think their office had to
say?
I'm getting good at this. The office declines
to comment.
You you lose. Good day, sir. What they
said was, what's your timeline?
What's your what's your deadline. And I said
my deadline is,
I will gladly wait a few days to

(01:53:25):
get a comment from you. Right? And I
think that was a fair thing to say.
Right? So the next morning I woke up,
and then I got an email from the
attorney general's office, and I'll give you 1
more shot to redeem yourself. What do you
think the attorney general said after I gave
them time to comment?
I'm gonna stick with
The office has no comment for 200 dollars,

(01:53:47):
Alex.
Correct. The office declines to comment on the
litigation at this time.
So there are rampant abuses going on in
New Jersey. The attorney general knows about them.
The governor knows about them. The governor
3 requests for comment,
all have gone

(01:54:07):
ignored. They have not responded to a single
1 of my requests. But for them to
say that they don't know. It's Total M
because I tag them in all of this
stuff, I have no problem putting my article
out there. And I'm gonna tag them when
I do it. So they could see it.
People could see it. They can't say that
they don't know. And now, they're also being

(01:54:27):
sued
for similar issues, and, you know, you'll you'll
get to talk about that, I think, tomorrow.
Yes. I'm really excited about that conversation
But also,
this is
unfortunately the way of government nowadays is,
they look at their role as

(01:54:48):
that you work for them,
not they work for us.
Like, the script has been flipped
completely.
And
they don't think that they derive their power
from the people. They think they sit in
their ivory powers, and they are the grant
of rights now. They aren't the gatekeeper of
our rights anymore. They are the the the

(01:55:09):
ones who can tell you
where to go how to do it in
in what fashion.
And
I think that is so
unbelievable that
we've allowed them to get away with this
this type of 2 tier justice system, this
type of con ascension upon the people that
they serve

(01:55:30):
and all the while acting like, you know,
they they don't have to even give an
answer to us because we do this all
the time. I tag
tons of
politicians in social media. I send them letters.
We give them calls, and we write them
letters. And every once in a while, I'll
get a form letter back.
Thank you for your interest in

(01:55:51):
control issues. This is what our office believes.
Join me and, you know,
restricting your rights further. No. I won't write.
But they
they never
addressed me personally
and say, mister Lea, I appreciate you contacting
our office. We need to have a meeting
because you bring up some very good issues.

(01:56:11):
It's usually met with crickets.
The silence is deafening.
And
you know, this all came to a head
in my shop, I did have 2 state
senators come down and do a tour of
my shop that were generally genuinely
interested in
what the heck a gun is. They didn't
have any clue. And they here they are
they've already voted for some of the most

(01:56:33):
restrictive gun control in our state's history.
And now they wanna see what the implications
of that are in a gun store.
And when I I spent 3 hours with
them. And I finally said, look.
Here it is.
We can cut to the chase. Because we
can talk about folding stocks, c, bay it,
log grenade launcher flash hide, still our heads

(01:56:56):
fall off, and everybody's eyes in the room
glaze over. That isn't the issue. The issue
is constitutional limitations.
Madison wrote in Federal is 49,
something called
constitutional
limitations.
You are limited in what you're able to
do
constitutional.
It further says that you're the gatekeeper
of our right. And

(01:57:18):
And
if you could find the support in both
sides of the
congress, you know, in the senate and in
the house representatives,
to ban Catholics.
Could you do it? And they went... Well,
no. Of course not. Like, no. We couldn't
do that. Right, because of constitutional limitations. But
that's exactly what you're doing when it comes

(01:57:39):
to the second amendment. You're banning Catholics. Well,
no. And no... And then they back do
the back pedal. That's. Whoa, whoa whoa whoa,
there's no right that's absolute.
And I said,
you you know, this is your buzz word
to get you out of the painted corner
that you're in because
you know
by banning

(01:57:59):
guns by permitting
people to
exercise the right to keep him by our
arms. To put lists of guns that you
can and can't buy by causing delays. All
of this is completely
and utterly
outside of your authority
or outside of you you don't you don't
have the

(01:58:19):
the... You don't have the authority to do
it. But you sit in a place that
gives you power to do it. And that
by definition is abuse of power.
And that's exactly where you... Totally
totally tyra,
100
percent. And it... There's been a time here.
So... These are supposed to be our public
servants, but they act like in our public

(01:58:41):
masters.
And I just and I say, you know,
the supreme court says the peasants shall have
their pitch works.
There's a reason why I make that analogy
because the lawmakers
that are in for you guys up in,
you know, you know, on on the hill.
And here in trenton,
they
treat us like we are peasants,

(01:59:03):
you and it's not supposed to be like
that. And 1 of the things I like
to bring up about Massachusetts
historically,
Historically, the people in Massachusetts have this nasty
Nasty abbot
of hanging people that they don't agree with
Let's talk about the Witch trials. So turn
back the clock, and so you're going against

(01:59:25):
the fray, and what are we? Were modern
day
witches. And they're just telling us to get
on the end of the rope. Right. That's
what they're saying. And that's the history of
Massachusetts it's loaded, with hatred and
extermination of people who go against the fray,
and they don't want us to be armed,
then what do they do? Get to the
rope.

(01:59:46):
That's exactly right, John. And I actually
posted something on Twitter the other day, and
it was
it was Jim Jordan's testimony
or narrative basically of the whole
thing that happened down in Arkansas with
with the,
the airport executive down there,

(02:00:07):
and, you know, the Atf literally
lynch that guy.
And
when you look at how that went down,
he had no idea being
investigated,
they come up in full swat gear, put
the tape over the over the ring camera,
cut the power to the house, go in,
smash through and within less than a minute,

(02:00:28):
he's dead.
And
you know, you're exactly right. And why
because he was violating
their arbitrary rules
and laws that they make up.
And I think that was the first enforcement
of you're engaged in the business of
dealing in firearms,

(02:00:48):
if you take a hobby approach and you
make a profit on it, and you go
to the shows on weekend and do some
buying and selling and trading. Now all of
a sudden,
the swat team's is gonna show up at
your doorstep at 6 in the morning, and
you'd be dead a minute later.
Like... That went well. But bravo.
Yeah.
Unbelievable.
And
you know, that whole Brian M

(02:01:10):
situation I hope is not a harbinger of
things to come.
For the gun owner in this country because,
you know, you think about how they gonna
enforce these on unconstitutional laws.
And, guys like Brian Mali never saw a
comment.
And had no chance to defend himself against
that, you know,
and let's face it. The... The Atf doesn't

(02:01:33):
have a a great track record of stuff
like that, going back to Waco and not
in fridge and, you know, everything else?
Not at all. Yeah. It's it's scary, scary
to think that the government can be weaponized
against its people.
And all for what? I mean, look at
even Dexter taylor in New York. Guy who's

(02:01:53):
sitting in the privacy of his own home
taken
part in 1 of the oldest traditions in
America,
performing,
guns activities in your house. In and self
building
guns, a freedom hobby that that you can
do in the privacy of your own home.
Well government don't like that.
A quote. Oh, no. You know?

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So he'll be doing it looks like 10
years behind jail,
in a federal prison. Behind bars in a
federal prison probably.
And
it's it's it's madden. It's absolutely madden. Arbitrary
laws. These are
what do they call them, Mall,
prohibitive,
I got Yeah. Put in the, Pro Or

(02:02:36):
whatever it is. I'm butchering the Latin on
it. But Right. As opposed to m say.
Right. And say. Right. Which is a law
that you violate that is truly evil. In
it's right. Yep. This is now prohibited. I
think is yeah. Term. Yeah. Yeah. You got
it. You're there. It's just it's... Because we
say so. You know, that's really what it

(02:02:56):
is. It's you're in violation of what we
say so, even though the second amendment says,
shall not be infringe. It's unbelievable. Yeah. How
they can can distort that into a, you
know, whatever.
Alright. I wanna leave a a couple minutes
here for
project you got coming up
that I
volunteered for and

(02:03:18):
have done nothing with. So let's put it
out there. So somebody can be accountable.
Real quick. So I did launch a new
website. It is called the square reviews, and
the square reviews is a product and travel
review site. So it's an, you know, a
political non sec
website, but don't get all, boo boo and

(02:03:39):
hurt. If you see h and other men
things that are getting reviewed.
So, Toby is actually gonna come on as
1 of my contributors,
Right now, I have another con... Another 2
contributors, 1 that's actively
giving me material. And you can head over
there to square reviews dot com to learn
about the different gear and things that

(02:04:00):
that I've been testing out and I've been
doing and Toby is gonna do a bunch
of firearms reviews for me. And also, if
you head over to to the Instagram page
for the square reviews dot com, those of
you who are just listening, they can't see,
I'm holding up a 20 ounce tumble that's
been put out by Yukon.
Yukon make some fantastic drink where. If you

(02:04:20):
go to Instagram, to the square reviews. There's
a pinned post there, and there's some instructions
on how you could win this 20 ounce
tumble.
So I want you to go check that
out and sign up for my
my mailing list as well.
And, the other thing that I wanna plug
real quick before we run out of time.
Anybody that is listening that wants to reach

(02:04:42):
out to me. You can email me at
John
at the penn dot com. That is john
at the penn dot com. I wanna hear
from you guys if you have issues in
your area. If you're out of Massachusetts in
Massachusetts, I don't care where, permitting
abuses.
If you've got a news story, And it's
something that's worth reporting on, I will pick

(02:05:04):
it up, and I will run with it.
So I put myself out there to everyone
that's listening. So at the end of the
day, if you got questions,
john at the penn dot com.
Awesome. Well, thanks for sharing all that, John.
That's great. People can stay up to date.
And,
I think 1 of the things we'll steer
clear on the the reviews is
how how well Ammo travels to turks and

(02:05:26):
C. Right? Well
It travels there fine. It's the coming back
that seems to be the problem, To.
Yeah Yeah.
We'll probably avoid those topics for those places,
but I'm looking forward to collaborate with you
on that. And so,
now that the public world knows

(02:05:47):
what I plan to do with you. Someone's
gonna hold me accountable. I promise. So including
I hope you, But I will I will.
Yeah. Thanks so much for coming on, John.
It's always a pleasure to talk to you,
and good luck out at Sea, and I
look forward to seeing more your work on
am land and bearing arms and wherever you
publish it. And, on your website, john pet

(02:06:08):
dot com. There's a bunch of links there.
You can go to his link tree and
see everything. You could do a deep dive
on everything that John's been writing because he's
He's on the right side of history, and
I appreciate your brother, and I appreciate you
coming on the show.
Thanks for having me, Tully.
Anytime.

(02:06:39):
Alright. Well, there you have it, folks.
Another solid hour in the books
with
rapid fire. Thank you for bearing with the
technical issues of that video,
I'm glad we recorded it because it was
way worse when I tried to record that
if we had done it live, it would
have been miserable experience. So

(02:07:01):
That's why it was a little quirky on
there, But
alright.
That's
rapid fire.
Episode number 1 80 from 07/10/2024.
May all have a wonderful night, God bless.
Keep up the fight
call your mass legislators and let them know
how you feel

(02:07:22):
about your rights being infringe on further
and
do your part.
Appreciate that.
We're seriously up against it. This is where
the fight is.
Our state is trying to become the model
state for the rest of the country. I
know you laughed at that,
Montana in
Florida and Texas. But I tell you 1

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thing. Ain't gonna be happy
when all the hateful or the hateful 10
states fall.
They're coming for you and they're coming for
your guns. So let's be a wall
and say no, not 1 more inch and
let it be known that we are doing
it here behind enemy lines in Massachusetts.
God bless, I love you all.

(02:08:06):
Couldn't have
done it without you.
So God bless and we'll see you soon.
Take care.
Don't oh, by the way, don't forget Sunday
show. Here you go.