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May 21, 2022 15 mins

OUTWEIGH: What is normal eating? Well, week 2 with Crystal Lunenschloss (MS, RDN, LDN, CEDRD) helps us answer that very question. Amy and Crystal also talk about habits to normal eating, how you don’t have to earn your food, exercise addiction, and the best thing to do after a binge. Crystal became a Certified Eating Disorder Registered Dietitian to help people reconnect and heal their relationship with food and their bodies. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I won't let my body out out way everything that
I'm made do. Won't spend my life trying to change.
I'm learning to love who I am. I get I'm strong,
I feel free, I know who every part of me
It's beautiful and then will always out wait if you

(00:24):
feel it with joy in the here she's some love
to the boom there. Let's say good day editor, did
you and die out? Happy Saturday? Outweigh fam Amy here
and I'm back for week two with Crystal Lunin Schloss.
I guess I'm yes again. I am so excited to

(00:44):
be sitting with her. She's based here in Nashville with me,
but I was connected to her through Cat de Fata,
who's come on Outwigh a few times. She's my therapist
friend that also hosts a podcast called You Need Therapy
and I love the yaller friends and you know Lisa
who co hosted the podcast with me. She's a registered
dietitian based out of New York and she has recently
stepped away. So to have you fill in for you know,

(01:06):
last week and the next two weeks is special because
I like to have an expert by my side, because again,
is someone that's in recovery. I still sometimes don't always know,
you know, what can be triggering to someone, and I
want to be held accountable. If I were to say something,
I would want an expert by my side to be like,
oh wait, actually that's not how we would say. It
might be better if we put it this way. So

(01:27):
I'm thankful for Crystal's expertise for people that maybe didn't
listen last week. Crystal, can you give your credentials real quick.
I'm a certified eating disorder registered dietitian in Nashville. I
own a group practice where we treat eating disorder men
and women with eating disorders. We treat exercise addiction, and
I specialize more in the higher acuity clients UM that

(01:51):
are struggling and also male and female body image issues.
So today we're talking about what is normal eating. I've
talked on the podcast before about eating adequately and that's
something I had to learn to do in the early
stages of my recovery, and I just couldn't even understand. Well,
I don't even know what adequate is for me because
I have eaten like a ping ping ping pong ball

(02:13):
all the time, Like I ate all different kinds of ways.
I didn't need to ate too much. I ate this,
I was binging, I was purging. You know, you mentioned
exercise addiction. I didn't have an addiction. But that's also
that when I learned in the early stages of my
recovery that purging wasn't for me. I was someone I
purged in a way where I got rid of the food.
But some people will exercise for you know, hours on end,

(02:37):
and that is considered a purge, and that was new
information to me. And so exercise addiction. We're going to
get into the normal eating. But I feel like people
know about, you know, addiction to drugs, addiction to alcohol,
but there really can be an addiction to working out.
There's a whole spectrum of exercise disorders out there. Exercise

(02:57):
addiction is one of them where it's of our control.
There's exercise compulsivity where we're really compulsive with it. I
feel something there, and then we kind of react by
exercising to medicate obligatory exercise disorders where the not exercising
is not an option, you know, So we're obligated to
do that, whether we're sick, injured, no matter what our

(03:20):
schedule is. All the things we're going to fit it in.
There's exercise bulimia like you mentioned where we're kind of
purging calories that as well, And there's also exercise avoidance.
You know, just can absolute exercise, were avoiding exercise because
we're also avoiding our bodies in our movement movement, or
it can be based in trauma as well for sure. Well,
thank you for expanding on that. I just wanted you

(03:40):
to share it since you said that's something that you
specialize in. So let's pivot to what is normal eating?
That is a great question. It's a it's it's not
a simple answer because what's normal for one person is
not normal for the other person. So when I think
of normal eating, I think of really finding what feels,

(04:00):
what is working for a person. So Ellen Sadder is
a registered dietitian and she created the Ellen Sadder Institute.
And one of the things is she had a beautiful
definition of what normal eating is and I have it
pulled up that and I would love to share it
with everyone. She says, normally eating is going to the
table hungry and eating until you're satisfied. It's being able

(04:21):
to choose food you like and eat it and truly
get enough of it, not just stopping to eat just
because you think you should. Uh. It is being able
to give some thought to your food selections so you
get nutritious food, but not being so weary and restrictive
that you miss out on enjoyable food. It's giving yourself
permission to eat something because you're happy, sadder, board, or

(04:43):
just because it feels good. It's three meals a day
or four or five, or it can be choosing too
munch along the way. It's leaving some cookies on the
plate because you know you can have some again tomorrow,
or it's eating more now because they taste so wonderful.
Normal eating is overeating at times, feeling stuffed and uncomfortable.
It can be under eating and wishing you had more.

(05:06):
Normally eating is trusting your body to make up for
mistakes and eating. And normally eating takes up some of
your time and intention, but keeps it in its place
only one important area of your life. In short, normally
eating is flexible. It varies in response to your hunger,
your schedule, proximity to food, and your feelings, and so
that really covers so much. Because eating is not perfect,

(05:29):
we are not perfect as humans. So you know, if
there was one right way of eating, that's literally what
a diet is, and that clearly does not work. Right.
We know diets don't work, so you know, when we
we define it as something as really specific, it doesn't
quite translate to every single person. So I love that
this was kind of broad because it's giving yourself permission

(05:51):
to do things, but it's also giving yourself permission to
listen to your body, and I think that's the coolest thing.
So what's normal is really figuring out what's unique to
you and what feels authentic. And that's one of the
things I work on with my clients is defining what
is their authentic way of eating, because some people are
genuinely foodies, you know, and I am personally not like

(06:13):
I would love that. I just don't have time for that,
you know. And so so I admire the people that
love to go out all the places that's unique to them,
but that might not work for some people. And that's again,
like some people love to know where their food comes from,
not from a disordered way, right, but it's defined like no,

(06:34):
I just really, as much as possible want to find
where my food comes from that is genuine to them.
That might not work for somebody else, Like I just
need to be able to go the grocery store and
get food for my family, you know. So it's defining
those things and then learning how to listen to your
body but also know that, like we're not perfect. Sometimes
we're gonna emotionally eat, but the difference is when it

(06:55):
causes physical and emotional detriment. That's when it becomes more
in that disordered um. But that was really good. I'm
gonna I it took an extra bite or two. I'm
kind of full, like, and you know, my body knows
how to take care of that. It's trusting what your
body is capable of doing, but also honoring what feels
good to you. Well, you know you mentioned diets earlier,

(07:18):
and they're everywhere, and now what's happening, at least in
my opinion, is that diet culture is catching on to
everyone finally realizing, oh, diets don't work, and I don't
want to be a diet. And now they're disguising themselves
and they're coming across as like anti diet, but they're
totally a diet. And then it's like we're continuously put

(07:39):
in these boxes. But it's like we're also tricked and
you have to be very like in tune with what's
happening and focusing on it because it's really easy to
get wrapped up in it, and then you're in this box,
and then the minute you deviate from the box, then
you start to like freak out. So I love what
you read because yeah, it's all over the place, and
it gave you permission to either leave the cookies on

(08:01):
the plate or have all of the cookies. There is
no right or wrong way. I mean, I guess as
me and a recovery, I'm like, well, actually, I mean
there is a wrong way, and it's that if I
try to put myself back into a box. I mean,
because I labeled myself as everything under the sun at
any given season of whatever, and by seasons, I mean
like different whatever diet I was on, it was always
an expert or whatever I was practicing at the time,

(08:23):
whether it was I was vegetarian or I was vegan.
But I did it under the disguise of oh, well,
I'm trying to get pregnant, and I read this book
and it said I can't have gluten dairy meat, but
then also I still wasn't getting pregnant. But then I
kept on like that, just I kept digging into a
deeper hole where I was eliminating, eliminating, eliminating, and then
suddenly I only had a very small amount of foods

(08:44):
I was allowed to have, and if I traveled, I
would take all my food with me, and it was
not normal eating. I thought it was because it was
all under this like an umbrella of quote unquote health.
But I was definitely in a box and I loved that.
You know, what you shared from Susan is there's like
a bunch of different boxes you get to jo jump

(09:05):
in on any given day. Absolutely, and some people that's terrifying,
like they need boundaries, Like where are the boundaries people?
You know? And so and that is kind of a
clue that maybe we're not ready for like all the
food freedom. And that's where like getting some guidance is
really helpful so that you do know, like I don't
trust myself that I'm not going to just have the

(09:27):
cookies on the plate, I'm also going to have the
cookies in the whole package, and then I'm going to
also go buy more, you know. And that's where that
kind of crossing into more disordered versus normal kind of
comes in when you don't necessarily feel safe. When I
read that, what was coming to mind, like I can't
do that. That's you know, that sounds crazy, or like wow,

(09:48):
that sounds so good and freeing, and like yes, you know,
and just kind of depending what really comes up when
you hear that. It is also kind of a clue
that maybe you're in a box you don't even know it,
and I've we're being like, well, I'm the only person
that's having these crazy thoughts. Are I'm the only person
that eats this much in one sitting, Or I'm the
only person that can't keep cookies in their house or

(10:08):
if I do, yes, I have to eat them all,
which makes me think of my bench times and just
you know, what is your advice for someone that if
you've recently had a bench. For me, I would just
obviously resort to restriction. But what's the best thing someone
can do after they've in their mind had too much?

(10:30):
The first thing to do is just acknowledge what happened.
Because when we acknowledge like I don't know what happened
and I'm out of control, that sounds very scary, you
know when we and it creates that lack of safety
and our body that like if we don't know what happened,
then we can't do anything about it, you know, So
kind of acknowledging that I overate, that didn't feel good

(10:50):
to me, and then the next thing to do is
we have to eat again. You know, your body will
always deserve food, and acknowledging that a bend is not
going to physically feel well, and your body still knows
how to process food. It still knows how to digest,
and it's going to do that really really well, no
matter how full you might feel. It knows how to

(11:11):
digest and utilize that energy. And then knowing that you're
going to eat the next meal, you know, like maybe
drink a little bit more water to help with digestion too,
but continuing to eat so that your body knows that
it's safe. Because like you kind of described, kind of
a pendulum of like binging and then it swings to
restricting or your body knows when it's in feast and famine,

(11:34):
and when it continues to sway to the extremes, it
can't create safety. So if you do have a binge.
Let your body know that it's still safe and that
we have it. You know, I got you. That sucked.
I'm sorry that happened. And We're still going to get
fed and I'm gonna eat something that feels really good
to me at that next meal, whatever that may be.

(11:56):
But just know that, like fueling your body after beinges
is really important. I'm glad. Yeah, we went over what
even is normal eating, because the best thing to do
after a been just to eat normally. I mean, look
at that time together, and then also to just want
to use this time as a reminder that you don't
have to earn your food. We've said this over and over,

(12:19):
and I think that that's something that can be said casually,
even in jest of like, oh, you know going out tonight,
so I better go ron. And we can even say
that like, oh plan on doing X, Y and Z
this weekend, so I'm gonna either you know, restrict now
or work out extra hard now. And it's something we
can say, like even with our friends and not even

(12:41):
realize the impact. Maybe you can say that in justin
you have a healthy relationship ish and you're just like
saying it to be you know, because everyone else says it,
but you never know who's sitting next to you that
that's like. Then they're like, oh shoot, now I need
to go earn my food, and so I just friendly reminder. Absolutely, yes,
the bodies always work, doing really hard work, and it

(13:04):
requires food even if we've emotionally feel like we don't
boy doesn't know and it's not here. What we talked
about last Saturday about the brain and talking about you know,
you mentioned nourishment, like if we want to experience true
healing and anything, our brain is well like the biggest

(13:24):
part of that, and if it's not properly nourished, it
can't function to help get you there. Absolutely right. It
needs proper nourishment to make new neural pathways, to use
skills to understand what happened when we did have a binge,
you know, to understand and create safety with normal eating,

(13:44):
you know, and and eating consistently and feeling fullness but
also feeling the neutral space between fullness and hunger. You know,
we go through this period of like, our bodies don't
need food when it's nourished, and then it's going to
tell you it's hungry and you're gonna eat the next meal,
but there's that period where we always have to find
safety and continuously fueling throughout the day. A few weeks ago,

(14:07):
I had someone on that is an expert in our
hormones and cycles, and she just talked about the different
seasons in every month that we as women experience and
how sometimes so far periods about to come. We're trying
to restrict, to restrict, restrict, but it's like your body
literally needs more calories. It's working really, really hard. He

(14:27):
literally knows what it's doing. You're getting in it, you're
craving food for so yeah, well, thank you for breaking
down the question what even is normal eating? Crystal Lunage Loss.
Y'all can find her at Horizon Nutrition Counseling dot com.
And again, Crystal is going to be back next Saturday.

(14:49):
She's been on three episodes total and next Saturday will
be her final, but not for good, not forever. I've
really enjoyed Crystal, so I definitely want to have her
her back. And I'm just going to end with a
quote that I actually pulled from something you had posted.
I don't know if I saw it on your website
or your Instagram, but it's unknown and it says you
can never discover new oceans until you have the courage

(15:10):
to lose sight of the shore. It's so good, I'm
just going to end on that note, all right, Thank
you so much, Crystal,

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