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December 20, 2022 17 mins

Welcome to the '5th Thing' with Amy & Kat!! Today’s quote is: "Christmas is most truly Christmas when we celebrate it by giving the light of love to those who need it most." - Ruth Carter Stapleton (FYI: she is the youngest sister of President Jimmy Carter, no relation to Chris Stapelton - which was Amy’s first thought!!)

Amy gives a shout out to Kat’s ‘You Need Therapy’ podcast (her Nov 23rd ‘Couch Talks’ episode) and Kat talked about fairly splitting time between families, in-laws, and people you love during the holiday ANNNNND how to handle and prepare for harmful comments about food, body image, and weight during a season heavily influenced by food! Something that also stood out to Amy while listening was: “when emotion comes in…logic turns off” so Amy & Kat break that down a little bit. The episode is called ‘Holiday Help’ and you can listen to it HERE

Also discussed in this episode:

  • How we will never have it all figured out in life
  • A listener email from “Mama Mary” who is 65 years old that has some wisdom in her note
  • Amy’s daughter hops on the mic to remind Amy that she doesn’t have it all figured out the definition of a Homie Hopper
  • Why salt is in salt shakers at restaurants
  • How to make your house smell like the holidays (other than stovetop potpourri
  • Candles being hazardous for your home
  • & more!

 

Thank you licensed therapist, Kat Defatta, for joining us with her wisdom. You can find her on Instagram: @Kat.Defatta + @YouNeedTherapyPodcast.

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Happy Tuesday. Welcome to the Fifth Thing. I'm Amy, I'm
Cat and our quote today is from Ruth Carter Stapleton.
Christmas is most truly Christmas when we celebrate it by
giving the light of love to those who need it most.
And do you know who Ruth Carter Stapleton is? Um?
I had the Google Stapleton's wife. I know, I didn't know.

(00:25):
I didn't think of Chris Stapleton when I saw it, though,
but I put her into Google. And she's the youngest
sister of President Jimmy Carter. Okay, I did a report
on Jimmy Carter in fifth grade. I should have known that.
Fun fact, I had no idea. I had a draw
a picture of him. Oh are you an artist at all?
In any way? Before it all? Hey, would you remember

(00:47):
what grade you got? Um? And what can you tell
us about Jimmy Carter from your fifth grade project? He
was a president? That's it? Which president? Don't you don't know?
The only presidents I know the numbers are are one
first President George Washington, the second President John Adams A.
Lincoln was shoot. I don't know anything. What is the

(01:09):
current president? I'm pretty sure Donald Trump was forty five,
because you know, you see those people wearing forty stuff.
That's what that's about. So Joe Biden must be what
makes sense. And those are the numbers. Those I don't
know anymore. I mean, I know more presidents, but I don't.
I mean I could go backwards and be like, okay,
forty five Obama and then, but I don't have them memorized.

(01:32):
I'm not like, oh, George Bush Sr. Was, Ronald Reagan was.
I don't know how to be even good on this,
but yes, the Chris Stapleton thing, I definitely thought of him,
and I just love his voice so much. And I
honestly find myself having more and more music on around
the holidays. I just listen to more things, not even

(01:53):
just Christmas music. Some of it yes, but some of
it not. I just find myself wanting to play it.
There's like a vibe happening. But when it comes to
Christmas playlists, I definitely like Brett Eldridge, He's Mr Christmas.
Then there's Mariah Carey her classic Christmas e stuff, and
George Straight His Christmas songs are my j M. Probably

(02:15):
because I just love George Straight. And oh yes, I'm
about to say has a great Christmas album. Hansen has
a great Christmas album. Okay, good stuff which also speaking
of the holidays, shout out to uh episode that you
put up that was a Couch Talks. I listened to it.
It's actually from November. People want to go back and

(02:37):
listen to it, but it's about the holidays. It's actually
titled Holiday Help, and you talked about splitting time between
families because you may have in laws, or you may
have other people that you're close to in your life
and you're like, oh, I'm dividing up all this time.
And you also talked about how to prepare for harmful

(02:57):
comments about food and body image stuff that may come
up around the table or because the holidays are a
lot about food and eating and all the things. And
so I just wanted to shout out that episode. I
thought it was really good and I wanted to refer
it to people, even though it was before Thanksgiving, but
it's about holidays and it's it can apply to Christmas too.

(03:18):
Thank you. Yeah, no problem. It's called Unique Therapy Podcasts
by Cata Fata. You can listen to it on our
heart radio or wherever you get your podcast. Oh and
you know what, something that you said inside that episode
two that stood out to me was about when emotions
come in, logic turns off. Yeah, let's talk about that.

(03:38):
Do you feel like that's true for you sometimes, because well,
it might be all the time, because yes, if I'm
letting my emotions make a decision, it may not be
based on logic. It is based on whatever emotion I'm
feeling in that moment, and if I were to just
give it time, then my decision might change. So yes,
so that I had to talk myself into that, but yes,
it's that's why a lot of times, after or something happens,

(04:00):
which I have a great example of something that happened
last night, when time passes, you think to yourself and
you're like, oh, man, I overreacted, or I would have
handled that differently, or I wish I would have said that,
Because when you have an emotional experience, you don't have
the ability to completely think clearly because you're just feeling
really heavy. You can still have that feeling maybe it

(04:21):
was hurt or sadness or anger. You still have that
feeling later and have your logic on, but the feeling
isn't as overwhelming because you've sat with it for a
little bit, yeah, you know. And I think that's where
breathing could come into play, because that'll help me regulate
a little bit and get into a different part of
my brain that helps me have more control. And my

(04:43):
friend NICKI she just recorded this whole song about I
don't know that she's an artist artist and I say
friend loosely. She works at the place I do cryotherapy,
but I go there's so much that I feel like
I'm friends with her, and she sings, and someone else
that works there. She aired with me a song that
she recently recorded, but she doesn't ever talk to me
about how she likes music at all ever. But if

(05:06):
this other person hadn't played it for me, I wouldn't
have heard the song. But it was about breathing and
that she's twenty four right now and she doesn't have
it all figured out, but she's sure that one day
she will. And at forty one, I almost want to
talk to her as a year old and be like, hey, girl,
it's okay, you're not going to ever have it all
figured out. I just don't think that we we will.

(05:28):
And when I'm fifty one, I'll probably like, right, now
I'm like, oh, I wish I could get this together.
And at fifty one, I'm still gonna be like, oh,
I'm still figuring this whole thing out. And you learn more,
but there's always something else to learn. I think that's
if you're open to it. Yeah, that's true, but that's
a frustrating part. It's like, how many more lessons do
I have to learn until I've got it figured out?

(05:50):
And a million because as the world changes, we have
to figure more things out. Which, speaking of age, I
have an email from someone. No, no, it's good, it's
really good. And how what do you think the average
age of people that listen to this podcast are thirties? Yeah, well,
we have it all. I know that there's some teenagers
that listen, and I know that I've gotten emails from

(06:12):
some older people before. And since I have one from
Mama Mary, that's how she signed it. I love that
she wants to be our mama. I'm gonna read her
her note to us. A couple of years ago, you
were talking on an episode about the age range of
your listeners. I emailed you and asked if I was
one of the oldest sixty three. I can't remember my
email exactly, but you read it on air. I am

(06:34):
now sixty five and I just listened to your podcast
and your live event, in which at all I just
have to say, I feel like a proud mama from
listening to on the show and then listening to all
your podcasts from the beginning, I feel like I have
experienced you growing into this human that you are now.
I wish so much I could have been at your
live event. I was tempted to fly from Ohio just

(06:55):
to go. Your transparency about your journey is therapeutic, I'm sure,
but it's just so much more more than that for listeners.
When you talked about you as a young child, I
completely related. I have often wondered myself what happened to
the person I was at that age, and how can
I get back to her. I have had traumas to
big teas and little tease, and I have spent a
lot of my time in life working through it all

(07:17):
on my own. But God has been with me and
has saved me more than once. Mostly, I want to
tell you that though we are all works in progress,
progress is the key word, and I'm so proud to
be able to watch your dedication to the process, keep loving,
keep sharing, You're making a difference. So proud of you,
Mama Mary, which I just thought that was so special
and I love that I read an email from her

(07:38):
when she was sixty three and she's still here with us,
not with us on Earth, but listening, like still listening
to the podcast. And she also had some good advice
in there as well, which was related to what we
were talking to with my friend NICKI that's, you know, loosely,
my friend, that we're all works in progress, and progress
is the key word because every stage in life making

(08:02):
different versus being finished exactly. We're never going to know
it all and we're never going to have it all
figure it out as much as we would like to.
And I wish it someone had told me that, So
I'm probably gonna have to would you have what would
you have said it twenty four if somebody said that
to you? I mean, like, yeah, right, you've ye is whatever. No,
I'm going to do it better and I'm going to

(08:22):
figure it out. Yeah, surely you've got it all together.
You just think that the older people around you have
it all together. And now that I'm the age that
some of my mom's friends were when I was a
kid looking up to them, thinking they had it all together.
I'm like, oh my gosh, this is how they were
living life, and I thought that they know I do
the opposite. I think when I'm thirty three. Now my
mom had three kids at thirty three. But I still think.

(08:44):
I'm like, my mom had it together when she was
thirty three. I just don't. That's what I do. Yeah,
Stashi us here, my daughter is in the room. Come
say it. You can come say it on the mic.
I don't think you'll have it together? Oh well, thank you.
See we keep it real aware, We keep it real
around here, that is for sure. Nothing like some kids

(09:04):
to remind you that, remember, you don't have it together
and it together. Don't worry. I, as a kid thought
my parents and their friends did. But I clearly have
allowed my children and they are able to see that
we do not have it together, which is good. Stashion
now knows this a fifteen right. Life is progress. You'll

(09:27):
always be working towards it. You're never going to have
it all figured out. But thank you Mama Mary for
this super sweet email. You know, since to Shira is
in here, I just remember something she taught me the
other day. Do you know what a homie hopper is?
A homie hopper, Yes, a friend that hops around a
different friend groups. I mean yes, but right, well that

(09:49):
it has to do with dating, right, It's someone that dates.
So say, you have to say you and I are
friends and we're single, and there's a guy that dates
me and then breaks up with me and date to
you and then hops to our next friend and then
hops to homie hopper. I don't know why Stashia taught
me that the other day. I think something came up
and Seshara laughed and she's like, it's like a homie hopper,

(10:11):
and I said what, So then we googled it and
looked it up, and sure enough, that's what it is.
I'm pretty sure that was from Urban dictionary dot com. MoMA, Mary,
don't go over there. Well wait a second, what group
of friends is dating all the same guy? Though? Well,
I don't know that it's very common, and I don't
know that those friends day friends, but the guy tries
to date people in the group. A fun fact that

(10:35):
I learned from the internet is do you know why
they put little pieces of rice and salt shakers to
keep it from sticking it together. You already knew that
was right. Yeah, it's to keep it from clumping, like
because I guess the rice traps any water oyster stuff
that might get in there, and it keeps it from clumping.
And I was like, oh, I did not know that.

(10:56):
I just would see at a restaurant rice in there
and I never thought to ask about it or look
it up or anything until the other day. So with
that right under your search when you search what a
homie hopper was, No, there's two different days. But those
are just some things I learned in the last week
or so, so I thought I would share it with
you something else that I saw and learned. You know,

(11:19):
last time we talked about stovetop potpourri. Some people might
not make that you should. I highly recommend it. You
can google it. You can google recipes um Christmas stovetop potpourri,
and like a lot of different similar stuff will sort
of pop up and you can pick whatever fits your vibe.
But pine scented pine cones, So if you go on

(11:39):
a walk and you've got pine cones in your area,
or maybe you don't, you go to Michaels and buy
some pine cones. You can get a cute decorative bowl
or just any old bowl to put out in your
living room or kitchen table or whatever, and you can
get essential oils that sort of smell like the holidays,
and you sort of treat the pine cones with the
essential oils and then it'll be like a gentle holiday

(12:01):
scent that is in the rest stay in the pine cone,
or like where off it's sort of where That's why
I said gentle. But you could add it to keep
adding to it if you want, if you've got the
if you're into essential oils or you've got those, or
if you want like a peppermint smell or something. I
probably wouldn't have it on the kitchen counter because that
might be a little overwhelming. But you do the stovetop

(12:21):
potpourri in the kitchen, so maybe not. I feel like
you're not feeling the scented pine cone because it feels
like too much work for me. But it's like two things,
but I well, I guess this is two things too.
But I just would like to light a candle, move
on with my day. Okay, Well, you know candles are hazardous.
Sometimes there's some guy on TikTok that makes candles, and
every once in a while I come across these videos

(12:43):
that he makes about to remind people that candles cause
house fires. Have you ever left a candle on? I have.
I have left a candle burning, and after seeing his TikTok,
I never will. How does it happen? Though he wasn't
even saying will turn into a house fire? Don't he
even saying don't leave a room with a candle going?
And I always leave rooms with candles going. He said, no, no,

(13:06):
no, no no no, But I want to know how that happens,
because in my experience, when a candle is left burning,
then it just stops burning when it reaches the end
of the wick. It doesn't start a fire. I'm going
to share with you a stat just looked at and
estimated eight thousand, two hundred home fires are started by
candles each year, according to the National Fire Protection Association. Okay,

(13:27):
so it happens. It's not a urban legend. No, it happens.
I mean, I'm sure. And maybe sometimes the flame catches
something nearby on fire, or the glass kind of breaks
and then the wax. I mean, I don't know, it
could happen pine cones have not led to house fires,
so maybe I'll try that. Yeah, okay, I'm also a
big fan of candles as well. I thought I would

(13:49):
just share the pine cone thing. We were just sharing
things that we learned from the internet. Do you have
anything you've learned from the internet lately now that can
compete with the pine cones? YouTube taught me how to
build like a fire in my fireplace not too long ago,
because I had never really built a fire before. I
just let other people do it. And then it was
me and my son and he wanted a fire, and

(14:11):
I thought, oh, shoot, I don't really know what to do,
Like I didn't know what to do with the little
knob thing that turns the gas on and a fake fire.
A fire in my fireplace is a real fire. You
have a real fireplace. Yeah, yeah, that's cool with wood,
but well you like that. You take a match and
you have to turn the little knob to turn the

(14:33):
gas thingy stuff on, and then you put the match
in there, and will you put kindling and then you
put the wood and then you stick the match and
there the long match and it it lights, but you
have to open the flu don't forget to open the
flu so all these things. But I'm sure people know
how to make a fire in their fireplace at home.
But in case you don't, YouTube has everything. YouTube or
TikTok you have everything you need. Really, yeah, I prefer

(14:57):
when you can flip the switch and then the fire
comes on. Yes, well, isn't that fancy? Did your new
home have a fireplace? So? But I was thinking because
of TikTok people, I've seen them, Um, you know, I
have that accent wall. It's the big black accent wall,
and I've seen people cut out like little rectangles and
put in a fake fire, and I feel like I

(15:18):
can do that. That might be a project that I
asked my dad to do. Yes, or Netflix last year.
I don't know if they're doing it this year. But
then they have the Crackle channel. They always, Oh, Netflix
had it. I think I always put on YouTube and
then you find the fire. Okay, maybe it's YouTube, but
I'm like, ncent, sure that Netflix had a Crackle fire

(15:39):
you could turn on and it's like makes the noise
and it's got the pretty fire on the screen. Oh
Mary Christmas. So okay, I hope you all are having
the day that you need to have thanks for being
here with us, and Christmas is soon. I cannot believe it.
It's kind of crazy, five days and counting. Where are

(16:00):
you going for Christmas? Well, I'm staying here, but I'm
going to a lot of different people's houses. I'm going
to Colorado. I'm going to be with my sister and
family and cannot wait. We're all going to be there
and it's going to be amazing and I can't wait
to cozy up by some fires, real fires, real fires.
My sister is a really awesome fireplace and she builds
really good fires. You should say, listen, let me do

(16:22):
it this year. No, I'll let her do it. I mean,
maybe I'll try to learn some things from her, because
she's actually really awesome at most everything she does. Just kidding.
I love you sister. On Instagram Cat where can people
find you? At cat dot de fata and at You
Need Therapy Podcast, And then if you want to listen
to her podcast, just search for you Need Therapy Podcast

(16:44):
wherever you listen to podcasts. It's so good. There's some
really good stuff up there for the holiday season and
wrapping up the year as we go into a new year.
So definitely check out your bonus episode two, which is
called couch Talks. I love couch Shoks. It's so nice
because it's saying it's nice because it's like quick and
easy and like ten minutes digestible move. We both just

(17:06):
said that word. We're the same. Okay, we didn't plan that,
all right. On Instagram, I am at radio Amy, and
I hope y'all have a great rest every day night.
Whenever it is that you're listening to this, maybe you're
listening to it on a road trip. Be safe, right, Okay,
we gotta go. Okay, fighte

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