Jana Kramer has the record for being the most recurring guest on the show. She gives an update on how her family life after moving back to Nashville and the struggles she’s had to overcome. She also talks about her role on One Tree Hill, the band she use to be in and the Lifetime Movie she is starring in.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to episode. It's a good number. By the way
we are. It's the first time both both of me
and my guests have been shoeless. Oh you don't you
wear shoes in your house? Usually people come over. I'm like,
I got put on pants. I wear shoes how unless
it's like a friend. And so I was like, not Jane,
It's like it's like it's but you've been on, Like
(00:25):
I think, is she your most frequent guests? Mike, it's
the third time, third time, third times a charm both.
I think that the three is the most anyone's been on.
Oh my gosh, I feel so special. Thanks guys, really,
and you never been here. We did one in l A.
We did one in l A and one one on
the phone. Yes, on the phone, and then one first
time you've been. Yeah, it's beautiful. I've been here like
(00:47):
a year, so I don't know if it's new anymore.
It's beautiful. Thanks. I was driving here, I was like,
I don't even know if my kind is allowed here.
But I don't like wearing shoes. I like, especially in
someone's house. I feel like it's kind of disrespect respectful.
And then also I don't know, I mean, we're buds
and the criss cross apple sauce thing right now, because
apparently you can't say Indian style anymore, which I don't understand.
(01:09):
But that term doesn't come and that's not about venaculate anyway.
My legs are never crossed like that, so it never
even comes out. So I'm never do Indian style. No,
I can, but I don't. I'm not even I'm not
anti Indian style. I just never say you anti the name. No.
I just never sit like that, so it never pops
into my head. I don't get offended over not being
able to. I can't believe we have to be PC.
I just never think about it. I just don't understand
why you have to do criss cross apple sauce like that.
(01:31):
My daughter Jolie can't say Indian style. What's wrong with
that Indian like that? But maybe they did, but maybe
they did while they were being murdered. I'm not sure.
I'm pretty sure I saw that one movie with Okay,
but you're going with a movie Kevin Costner, Yeah, Okay,
they're all sitting. I don't think that Dances with Wolves.
They were not sitting Indian style. I just I feel
(01:53):
like we have to be so political, and that's what
bothers me. I'm like, you can't even sit like that
and say Indian style. Maybe it's offensive. Again, I don't
Maybe I don't know, I really care. I don't even
care about this conversation because there's no part of this
that I care about anyway. Like, I don't still like that.
I don't think about that. You can sit crisscross, you
can sit knees out, you can sit butterfly, whatever you
(02:15):
want to say. I don't care. Jane. Here, we I
got a couple of things. Let me um talk about
your podcast for a second, because um the wine Down podcast.
So if you're on here, and if people listen to
this podcast to go, she's pretty entertaining. They can come
to your podcast and here you do what. Me and
my husband have a podcast together. It's called wine Down,
and we talk about relationships, love life. We have a
(02:38):
lot of fun guests on and it's just a very
open conversation about marriage, the good, the bad, the ugly.
Sometimes you put them on the spot where I'm uncomfortable
for him. Well, you know what, I've gotten that feedback
a lot of times. So I've tried to lay off
a little bit. But my personality is I'm very just
sarcastic with other people, but sometimes it's a little too aggressive,
which has been kind of an issue because like, you're
still mean. You're so hard on him, but I'm like,
(03:00):
we were able to joke about it, but then it's like,
well is that really funny? It's not funny to him.
So there are times when I like, I realized that
I should have laid off a little bit. Your son
looks like him. I feel like all I did was
just pop out babies that look like Michael. She's like Michael.
I don't see it as much in your daughter, really,
I feel like they look like twins. Your son looks
(03:21):
just like it's just like a little mini version of him.
It's a little weird, like their same eyes squinted when
he because he played in the NFL. He did would
he want your son to play football? So he really
wants them to play golf, a non head injury sport
before middle school. I know that by the time of
the old enough football won't even It'll still be a thing,
(03:43):
but football, yeah, But I'm saying there will be so
much science that will be revealed, more so than now
where they're going get them, they're going to be so
so I feel like they get so soft now in
the game. I mean there's some calls where it's like
come on. Aside from the game, a lot of parents
are going ago now that I know X, Y and Z,
there's no way I'm letting my kid play football things.
(04:06):
Now we're seeing a little bit of that, but you're
going to see more and more of it. Science reveals
our heads, our skulls are not supposed to be rattled
around like that. What about all the other contact sports
like rugby? Who plays rugby in the States, Like point,
it's not even like ten? Isn't that the rugby where
they throw the things cross? Okay, any head injury sport
(04:27):
is going to be probably. But again, if we go
top sports in America football, football, FABA, baseball, basketball, you
kind of like tie. Um, so there's the top three golf,
soccer that's five, yeah, six, You're hurting my Detroit heart.
You're from the northern part. So I want my son
(04:50):
to play hockey, and Mike's like, I can't. I don't
know anything about hockey. I like, well, you're gonna start
to learn my My only point was what he would
knowing what he knows now what he wants your son
to pursue a career in football. I think he would
still he would not hate it. He just wouldn't want
him to do it so early because it's about having
(05:11):
the concussions earlier. And my only I pought this sigh,
is that and when your your son is older and
ten years let's say when he's eleven. Yeah, we're going
to know so much. There's gonna be so much science
with going. You can't even like take a palm to
the head and it affects you, kills the brain cells
(05:33):
because we've learned so much. The amount of times I
got a palm for my dad when I was a kid.
I mean, like, it's mc now it makes sense. Your
kids are old. I have a jolly raised three and
a half. And then Jason is going to be eight
months old. Oh he is eight months old. He's gonna
be nine months old. He's crawling. Yeah, I saw he
say he was kind of crawling right on your Now
(05:53):
he's like for real, crawling everywhere. It's really truly breaking
my heart. But honestly, I just wanted him to do
whatever he wants to do. I'm trying to push Jolie
into figure skating cause I used to figure skate. But
it's like whatever they want to do. I'm putting her
in soccer and dance and eventually I'll say which one
do you like the most and let's do it or eventually, yeah,
eventually you get You moved to Nashville. Now, when did
(06:14):
that happen? We moved about a couple of months ago.
And it's been awesome. It's been great, and it's it's
been bad and it's been good. So you were living
in Los Angeles to do? For what reason did you
go to l A? We went to l A because
we wanted to kind of reset because I didn't know
if we're going to stay together. Yeah no, I mean like, yeah,
of course you and your daughter and if you're thinking
(06:36):
about breaking up, we're like we just because the problem
is there's a lot of triggers here in Nashville. So
I wanted to I'm like, all right, let's just get
out of the city. I'm you know, I had just
gotten recently dropped from Warner. I was like, I just
want to get out. I just want to really like
fresh start go back into acting. Do my thing out
there and just not have the triggers everywhere. And it
(06:56):
was amazing for what's it healthy? It was incredible for
a relationship. It it was great. So you move out
there and you were there for how long? We were
there for two years and then we were like, okay,
we had a second kid, and that's something like we
need to get back to Nashville. What makes what makes
you want to come back to Nashville. Well, all of
our friends are here. Um, you know, it's we couldn't
afford what we wanted to in l A. There's no
(07:17):
way we would have been able to buy a house
because it's just so crazy expensive. Um taxes is another
thing at schools, Like the schools were terrible, and you
know for us, and like, all right, I'm not going
to pay for private school when you can have a
great school in Nashville. So that's why I'm like, all right,
we need to get back. And I thought we were
ready relationally to get back here. And so you guys
(07:37):
built Jana man Manor Mannor. It's weird to say Jana
Mannor Manor built Jana man Or. I kind of watched it.
I kind of watched it grow on Instagram. Is it
all getting built up? That's it's a massive house. It's
it's nice. I mean it's not as massive as this all. No,
yes it is. It's not. Okay, go ahead at all.
But you know, we're where we love it and it's
(07:58):
great and it's the exact same price as our l
A house and our lat house was so small. So
it's just it just feels good to be back here.
But it's been tough. We didn't realize the harder it
was going to be. Like we've been real like not
great here, but we're getting on the up swing again.
It's been the hard part, just the triggers. It's tough
because I kind of ran away from it all, you know,
I ran from all of it. I was just like
I don't want to feel these things. And then I
(08:19):
that's just just what I do in general. And I
think coming back now seeing the hotels and the like
the spots that like I knew things went down, that's
been Yeah. I think you would have to face those anyway,
right at some point eventually, Yeah, And I mean and
it's like suits so unhealthy, but like I went to
one of the hotels and sat and then why would
(08:39):
you do that because I'm know and like my therapist
was like, why did you do that? That's so unhealthy?
I was like I had to. I had to bury
the place because every time I drove by it would
make me feel something and I just had to sit
there and cry and let it go, and then I
was and then I felt so much better. So can
you drive by it now without tell you about a
place I drive by? Are you ready? Yeah? When I
(09:00):
drive to work, there is this place called crab Fever.
It drives me insane because it's crab with the letters
c R A B and it says fever and they
have a crab for the V except it has the
crab clause, but the head is so big it looks
like crab fewer. It drives me insane. I think you
go inside and cry. I can't drive by it without
(09:22):
going why would you name this crab fever and make
the crab look like a w It drives me berserk.
You need to go in there and talk to them
and say that this is really like bothering me. What
about your therapy situation? Did you have a different therapist
in l A. Yeah, we still face time with our
couples therapists a in l A. But now I'm going
to be a porter's call. Yes that we're musicians. Artists
(09:43):
can go yeah for free, which is an incredible because
the amount of money I've spent on therapy. I'm like, Wow,
this is fantastic and they're great there. So I've been
going there um and I really liked a lot. I
head up Miles because I've been on site. You've been
on site? I used to, Oh, well, but have you
have you been on site though? Twice? Okay, I loved it.
(10:06):
I went by myself and just did the intensive therapy.
But I hit him up last night. I was like, hey,
I gotta find a new therapist in talent um so
speak you know. Also, I'm gonna I thought about going
to the porters call. I was like, I think I
need to go and have one dedicated person. You can't
have one dedicated person there, I know. I just also
then I'd feel like I'm getting Okay, I have this
(10:28):
weird thing of feeling like I'm getting what I paid for.
I totally hear you, but I loved her, I'm sure,
and I heard the guys great too. The dudes, I'm
sure I'm sure it is. It's a me thing. But
I love that you're going to therapy, like that's so healthy. Well,
I was going to a lot of therapy and then
I was just traveling so much and I kept calling, going,
I gotta cancel. I've just been called out the l again,
(10:49):
I gotta go. And then about the fourth time you cancel,
and you're paying this money to go to therapy, Like
what am I even going? Just wasting money? But you're
not though, I get it, So I have to. I
have to find a newer one because when I was
going to a far away and that was a part
of it too. I do want to drive down to
Cool Springs. No, that's frustrating, and they won't. Nobody will
come to your house. It's not you can't like uber
do uber therapy. Wouldn't that be awesome? It would be
(11:09):
so specially it's a site that you can call. But
I don't think phone sessions are that good depending on
what you're sessioning. That's true. Um, I was talking to
you said you were going to film something. I looked
it up. You're doing a lifetime movie. We we talked
about these on the show all the time because Amy
is obsessed with them, these lifetime Christmas movies. How do
you get a lifetime Christmas movie? What's that? What's that project? Like? Okay?
(11:31):
So um? I was in one two years ago called
Christmas in Mississippi and it was the same producer and director,
but they offered me the role for this movie and
I was just like, yes's your character. Her name is
Sarah Winters and she's you know, the typical you know girl.
She's a lawyer from Boston. And then she goes back
to her hometown and runs into her ex big city
(11:54):
girl who's running fast and loose I know, but but
her heart is broken and still missing her high school sweetheart.
So we'll see. And who plays the dude? Um, I
can't say yet okay, but he's great Tyler Farr. Okay.
I actually did one a country person for the one
of the boyfriends. Um so yeah. I was like, do
you know a need country actors that want to act?
(12:17):
I do put me in you want to act? Yeah?
I've acted a bunch really well, like three times and
what well, let's go down my resume. We shall I
know American Idol. I had nine lines in band Slam
with Vanessa Hudgens and Lisa Coudrow. Yeah, that's right. They
showed the thing on Disney Channel. Still, Um, I had
nine lines in that. I did three episodes of Nashville
(12:38):
where I actually had a part. I never saw Nashville. Okay,
I don't. I watch a little bit of it on ABC.
I liked it a lot, and I didn't watch it.
When I was on it. I was kind of kind
of jumped off of it. But they were like, hey,
will you come and did a really small part. They said, hey,
why don't you have a real thing. Um, it's funny
that you want to also reveal something here since you
just revealed that about Miles. You just kind of put
(12:59):
that out there. That's and I've never revealed this before.
But um, I did the show and then I went
out with Connie Britton a little bit. She is the
vast human being. I worked with her on Friday Night Lights.
She's an absolutely nothing happened, just life. Um, but we
were doing that show together and we were acting with
each other, like this part will not go on Instagram.
(13:19):
This can just be the nugget for our podcast listeners.
Um that Bones went on a date with Connie Britten.
More than one. Yeah, yeah, she was awesome. Um, she's
so sweet. She's like, I don't understand how she's still single.
We were and we were acting with each other and
had a part with her against her and I was like,
oh my god, I'm not trained for this, and then
I did it and it was the thing, and then
we just kind of kept talking and I don't really good.
(13:40):
It's fine. She was wait a good time. We like
stayed super cool spots in East Nahville, so no one
would really and I never looked hard for you today.
It depends you on a situation. Right now, I'm going
through and I'm talking about no, no, no no, no, no,
no no no no, come on, I don't want to
talk about me. I'm going that's not true. I love
the Lifetime movie. Talk let me just finished because I'm
curious about this. Goes that the movie does not have
(14:02):
a title yet since I've seen it does but I'm
not allowed to say it. Okay, but the theme is
Christmas on the River. Yes, I don't know is that
a theme. It's you know, we're celebrating because we're filming
in Louisiana, so the river's there and you're filming in
New Iberia. Where which parish is that? Oh? They don't
have counties. Don't have counties in Louisiana. It's a parish. Well, Mike,
(14:25):
would you mind looking that up for me? So you
know how we're in what Williamson County? Like, No, we're
in David's think you're in d whatever count whatever you're
correct or no counties there? There are no counties in Louisiana.
They're only called parishes. So the parish equals county. Um.
And New Iberia isn't what part of the state, Mike,
it's how long are you going for? Three weeks? Yeah?
(14:48):
And what do you shoot on a TV show? Do
you shoot like five pages a day? Like? What's the goal?
I guess it's a movie. What is you for a
TV movie? I should say, well, we call it a
show like You're not wrong on that the show? Um?
And usually we film like five pages a day. I
was pretty good with that, yeah, because that was really good.
And what we filmed like fourteen nowadays, So it's going
to be long. And I'm number one on the call sheet.
So I'm there for you single scenes. I'm like you
(15:10):
want there? No, I'm so like you have no idea
how excited I am. I'm excited getting back. That's because
the Lifetime Christmas movies are now super cool again. They're
super invogud to do Lifetime Christmas movies, and I just like,
I just feel because it's funny. I was working out
with my trainer, Aaron Opray. She's awesome, but um, I
was like, you know what, I guess I'm just not
I'm done. I guess I'm just not going to act anymore.
(15:32):
So why did you say that. I'm like, I don't know.
I'm like, I keep auditioning and I haven't gotten anything,
and it's it's been like a year and a half.
She said, well, you're pregnant for most of it. I
was like, I don't care. It's still like, I just
feel like I'm not I don't know what's going on.
And then two days later I got right, Yeah, when
I was in Austin, it's funny you say that. I
love Austin. It's so home to me. Oh, it's the best.
And so that's where I filmed Frighten Nightlights. Oh yeah,
(15:54):
I knew that was there. I guess I'm gonna come
back to that too. I was in Austin, which is
still home to me. So I still lived there, still home,
and I was having a conversation with a girl that
I was seeing a little bit. I was like, you
know what, I think, I'm just here, Like for the
first time, I've kind of just conceded that one my
thoughts of what was gonna happen to me aren't gonna happen.
(16:16):
I'm just doing it in in a different way. I built
my ownyndication company. I wasn't like twenty five cities from
Auston to pop and hip hop. I was like, I'm
hat and I was like, I'm okay with it, Like
I'm just good. This is a great city. I'm just good.
Two days later, this whole thing happened. It was right
when I was like, you know what, there like, I'm good.
It wasn't the preferred way I would have liked to
(16:37):
have gone, and I loved Austin. It wasn't about that,
but it was about the career. I was like, you know,
but okay, I'm good. And I had that moment and
then here we go. Crazy happened to you too? Yeah,
I mean I hope it keep keeps happening. Well, then
just completely going I'm done. I know. I was like,
I'm done with everything. I remember you coming and meeting
all of the artists. I'll still never forget that. I
(16:58):
don't remember that. Remember, oh the press con the very
first time yet. There was a couple of artists there
and we're all sitting there. Then we were all watching you. Well,
I felt ridiculous. I felt ridiculous. I was like, Oh,
he's so cute. No, that wasn't true. I was like,
but I knew that you were. I think you were.
That's when you started talking to what's her face from Gloriana.
I hadn't talked to her yet, but that was the
(17:19):
first time I had met anyone. But yeah, they made
me do a press conference. I was like, nobody wants
here me talking, aboudy knows why I am. It was cool, though,
I remember it. It was at the County Music Hall
of Fame and I went down into the theater. Yeah. Um,
so you talked about Friday Night Lights. I so we're
doing this thing now. You know that all the students
in OPASO and I owned Texas Forever on the trademark,
which I didn't know what from writing that lights, I've
(17:40):
never seen bart in that Lights never Never not, it's
one of the best shows. So we're selling our Texas
Forever shirts and don't ending it all of the families
in Opaso. And I know now because when I got
into the legal deal about because a small company had
owned it in New Brompels, Texas and so reached out.
It was like, I like to buy the trademark and
they were like, okay, we'll salt you for X thousand
(18:02):
dollars and we've been doing a lot of Texas charity
with it, and I just thought Texas Forever, which is
a saying I didn't know what and then now I do.
But Amy's always like, you still gotta watch Friday Night
Lights because it still holds up. It's so good. What
was your part? I played Smashes girlfriend and Smashes Smash
was played by I can't remember, no, no, what is
(18:23):
it like? Is he a quarterback or yeah? He was
a running back? He was the star running back, didn't you?
And I was like this, no at all? Football girl.
Were you in more than one season? Yeah? I was
when I was just in season two. Did you have
a prominent role in season two? I was? And here's
the problem with it, so I had I was thirteen
episodes guaranteed, so it's basically series regular. Um. Then the
writer's trike happened in season two, so I was only it.
(18:46):
Just if you watched season two, it stops at eight
episodes and then none of the characters come back for
season three. I was like, this is my big break.
Oh my god, Yeah, it sucks, think I was. I
was so upset, but you know, it led me to
do with my other stuff, which has been fun because
I did can You Do It? On CMT during the
writers strike. It was on CMT. I was with one
(19:08):
of my other girlfriends and we did a we sang together,
can you do It? Were you famous then? I mean,
I wouldn't say. I was saying, but I've only been
in frid and night Lights. I guess my question is
and what is fain? That's a whole different question. I
stood in the line outside That's what I'm saying Wild
Horse Saloon? Were you famous enough that you get to
go on as the person is from the TV show?
It's like small, but I still waited in the line,
(19:30):
still had to go through all of it. Really, yeah,
and you weren't a ringer and they were like, oh,
she's famous, what did you get her on the show? Now?
But then I made it, but my partner didn't make it,
and I never sang before like by myself. Who's your partner?
Her name is Diana Doser. She's lives in sane fright now.
She hates me. But besides the point, and you guys
just decided to saying together. Well, we had a band
called Moonshine. I didn't know if anyone was on my
(19:53):
Space you would have heard the song Montgomery Locomery so
far and you weren't a band called Moonshine. Uh at
you with her? Yeah? And then we decided to do
this because the writer strike and then because I was
like it's CMT like whatever, Sherry Like, I was talking
to my agent, She's just like, I really don't want
you to do this, but fine, And then I end
up making it and my friend was the singer, so
(20:15):
she was like, well, you can't do it without me,
And so then you mean she was a better singer
or she was a singer and Moonshine she was like
an actual singer, and she kept telling me to sing
and I said, I'm not the singer you're the singer,
I'm the actress. Got it, you know? And then I
made it and she didn't, and so she was very
upset about that, and so then I ended up accepting
the part, and then I ended up leaving the show
(20:36):
because I didn't want to. I was afraid to do
it by myself. So you ended up not going forward
on and Ashley Jed was like, this is your laft
Like I don't, that's not even how she talks. But
she's like, this is your life. How could you not
do this? You know you should accept this, and so
then I did, but then I freaked out and then
I left. I was like, I can't sing without her,
and I don't want to lose a friendship. Did anyone
(20:57):
from that show turn into any thing as far as
country music goes? Did you mean anybody? So one of
the couples did for like a hot second. I can't remember.
Nobody's still around. No, no one's still around. But the
Brett Manning was one of the vocal coaches, and then
Ashley Judd and um one other girls. I don't know
(21:17):
what Brett Manning is. He was he was a vocal
coach back in the day. Yeah, so what do you
get recognized for the most? Is it your Oh it's insane,
like when I do shows, and I because I always
shot up my Tree hillers, I'll say, okay where my
Tree hillers at the entire crowd, Well, thank you, because
if it wasn't for you, there'd be no one in
this room. I haven't seen One Tree Hill. It's a
(21:39):
really good show. Yeah, I mean I've never seen it.
Chad Michael Murray, did you say Montgomery before that? Is
that wise in my head? Chad Michael? Okay, but One
Tree Hill is a really good show. Yeah. Yeah. And
what was your job on that show? I played a
girl named Alex. I did three years of that show.
We did three years. She has a drug addict. She
was really fun. She tried to commit suicide. Did you
like the character? Loved She was a hot mess, like
(22:01):
trying to break up relationships, like you know, just the
day in the life. So it was great And that
show did three years in Wilmington, North Carolina. And then
from that show, I got to sing on the show,
which is how I got my record deal is because
you sang on the TV show. So I ended up
giving You don't know any of this Bobby. You know,
I think you and I when we met, we just
(22:23):
passed forward it. We just yeah, I just wasn't We
didn't do the whole give me your life story and
then I already knew you, so I didn't like google everything. Yeah, anyway,
just filled me in on this. I know. I was
working on One Tree Hill and I was realizing we
were filming in Wilmington, North Carolina. And I've always been
the person to say, follow your dreams, do what you love.
And I've realized, well, I've always wanted to sing, but
(22:44):
I've been so afraid and I didn't know if I
got to pursue it. But the creator of the show
really loved music, and so I started flying to Nashville
on our the weekends and writing with some people that
I had just been in contact with and wrote some songs,
gave it to the creator of the show. I was like,
I don't know if this is good, if it sucks,
but just let me know what you think, since you
know you've helped Tyler Hilton have a start Kite Vogel
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from this show. And the next thing I know, about
like two episodes later, I was my He turned my
character into a singer, and so then I sang I
won't give up on the show, and then two thousand
downloads later, won't. Um. It was a song that was
like a no I wrote it, Okay got it? Yeah,
I wrote it. It It was it was kind of It
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was on the first album as a bonus track. Um.
But yeah, I mean sold like crazy. And that's how
I got because I had already been turned down. I know.
That was after Yeah, during that time, I did like
a showcase and then failed and miserably. But then after
that I got signed because the Tree Hillers, And that's
why I always thank them at every show, because they
were there from the very beginning and you get recognized
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most from that. That's cool. Yeah, no, it's fun. Do
you still get money from that show checks? I don't know.
I have to stream anywhere. It was on Netflix, but
they just took it off now it's yeah. People were
like real mad you get back to the girl though.
With me, Well, that kind of sucks for you to
a bit because as long as something's living and streaming,
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you're still living as that character, which is pretty cool.
People are still finding you. Well it it's on Hulu though.
It's good as long as it's still up there somewhere.
That's great. Yeah. There's like a fifteen year old that
came to me the other day. Oh my god, I
love your character one trial. I'm like, how old are you?
You're so young? How old are you when you were
doing that character? And now I'm five? Does it feel
like a lifetime ago? Amy and I were talking today.
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She was like, do you ever talk to Jill? Jill's
my first co host ever? She was an intern that
I had the radio station. And I was like, I
haven't talked to him forever. Um, she's kind of mad
that she didn't go with, you know, because no, no,
this is a pretty way before we left. I met
her and then she got married. It was like I'm
just gonna go move to South Texas and like have
kids in a life. And I was like, great, she's awesome.
But I was like, man, it just feels like a
lifetime ago. It feels really when that happened. Yeah, it's
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it's just strange. I remember. This is really weird. But
my high school sweetheart just came over to my house
about a couple weeks ago from Michigan. Yeah, well, he
lives in Nashville. Now and his wife is really a
colorful what is up? But I've met Tyler for like
a couple of times. He's so sweet, Like, he's so sweet,
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I want to he actually is one of the most
genuine people in the industry. I like him a lot.
But no, I had Matthew over. He's this guy that
I got like saying I got the boy about and
she got the man. But they're just it's one of
those things where you look back and Matthew Ramsay from
old Dominion, go ahead? Is he famous? He works at
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like I'll stop, but no, but he he's super sweet
and his wife is sweet. And the kids came over
and Michael and I were talking about it. It's just
it's such a different lifetime ago, like I don't remember.
That's super a long time ago. I'm in high school.
But it is funny because he goes, hey, Matthew, do
you want your all your love letters that you wrote
Janna because it's in a box in the garage. That's funny, Michael,
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that's good. He's probably holding on a little bit though,
Like I kept him that I kept the love letters.
So your neighbors this new place know that you lived.
That's you there's only a couple of neighbors because it's
a new neighborhood. But I mean, I don't know. I
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mean I don't know. I'm who am I? You know exactly,
And it goes to the whole thing of fame, Like, no,
I don't really believe that anyone. It's hard to be
universally famous anymore. Even the people that are the most
famous aren't as universally famous. Again, yes, there's like three
Taylor Swift, Beyonce Ish and you know Ariana but but she,
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but she, But Taylor is from even from years ago too.
I'm talking like new people now, like Oriana is the
biggest now post Malone. These people even actors. You could
go out with a picture and go, do you know
who this is? And they most people didn't even know
Ariana Grande was where the pop star Britney spears when
she was twenty two? You got with then he picked
anywhere and be like, who's this? Because there are so
many ways to find things, you like Instagram, YouTube, Netflix,
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there are p pulled it. I would go, holy crap,
that person is so cool and famous to me that
you would have no idea who it is. And the
same because there are just five thousand ways to consume
content is truly insane. So especially this YouTubers, I'm like,
who the heck? There was a YouTuber that moved across
street from us in l A. It was like a
freaking four million dollar house, twenty one year old twenty
one YouTuber. I was like, are you freaking kidding me?
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And you would have no idea none that they're making
as much money as they're making zero. And I'm like,
what did I do wrong? Life? Have you met your neighbors?
Did you go over knock on the door and say so.
I had one neighbor come over and bring me chocolate
chip cookies because again, we only have about six seven
neighbors living in the community right now because all these
are all new builds. But I will be the person
that goes over to every new neighbor because I love
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meeting people. My neighbors really well. Well. When I first
moved over here, it's not about a year now. I
bought the house from a guy who lives here, and
I came over. They they moved in while I wasn't here.
I was I was in l A working. Everything got
moved in, came it was driving out of my driveway
and the woman close to her stops me and she goes, hey,
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excuse me. I was like, hey, what's happening. She goes,
do you live here now? And I was like I do.
She goes there were kids, and I was like, I
don't eat a wife, and I was like I don't,
like what do you do? Yeah? And I was like,
my name is Bobby Bones, bitch. I did not say
that in any way, and I didn't want to be like, hey,
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I'm on the radio or hey. I was just like
I'm I was like, what can I say is the
most generic thing. So it's like so she knew I
was in the entertainment, and I was like, I'm an artist,
like I do books. I was just trying to get
her because how old was she? Okay, so yeah, she's
a little and so she was like, oh, she goes,
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are you loud? And I said, I don't think so.
And the next day was one of those summer holidays
think like laboring. We had this humongous party in the
backyard with like a DJ and stuff. It was the
only day that I was loud, but yeah, she was.
She was trying to She was kind of sniffing me
out over there. But I haven't met anybody. I have
one neighbor that's like five houses down that's pretty famous
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in a band, and he's come over and been like
I wasn't here. He dropped me off and he's like, hey, welcome,
that's sweet. I'm kind of scared of the neighbor moving
in next door to us because she's an old lady
in hers she's like sixty five older sorry, and she's single,
she's a she's a widower. I'm terrified of her because
I have a feeling she's going to be an issue,
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you know, like I just get that vibe from her
because I've I've met her a couple of times. If
she's well, I know, but I just feel like I'm
just because we're not loud, but like maybe the one
time we are, is she going to write us a letter?
I don't want to be kicked out. Instead of a
last meal, if you're offered a last song to listen to,
what do you pick? Oh man, I'm like, super oh Fire,
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Oh Fire and Rain James Taylor, and what is that song?
That's what's the connection for you? Up North? So up
North is the most just give its name Susanne, the
plans they may put you when? Why this song? I
grew up listening to James Taylor and we would have
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his songs on repeat at the fire pit outside up
North Michigan, and that place is just heaven to me.
It's the one place I think of whenever I'm anxious
and have my anxiety attacks. It's just the place that
centers me. And the song just really just calms me,
reminds me home. I was talking to Vince gild the
other day and him, him and James Taylor are really
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great friends. And James Taylor just showed up at one
of his shows that in downtown that they play every
Monday night, and James Tyler came out and played with him.
He was like, yeah, James in towns. I came out
and played. We didn't tell anybody I'm not going ever. Man, Hey,
I cool of that, James. J what's ther um? If
I had to pick a song like a death song,
my favorite song ever, well that's what it is, like
your last song. My favorite song ever is Ain't No
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Sunshine by Bill Withers, Like that's my favorite song, So
that one probably this one? You know what movie? This
isn't well a lot like it's nothing him. That's my
favorite one. What I was going to say, it's so good,
but this is the song when he's like walking through
the season's so good. It's also in Will Ferrell and
(31:19):
Vince Vaughan go back to College, Old School. You knew.
I've seen that once or twice. I don't remember. It's
but part though. You gotta watch Hill have a good
date night. What's the most expensive thing you ever held
in your hands? Oh? Gosh, the most expensive? Probably my ring? Yeah, yeah,
because it's on my hand. Did you buy your own ring?
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You can play the fifth because I mean, I don't.
I don't have any inside information. You don't. I the
first one was put on my credit card and I
got really upset about it. The first one, the first.
So this is my second ring because I would not
it on the first ring again. You needed like a
new start, new ring. Yeah, oh yeah, I was like,
(32:05):
I was like from the very first day, I was like,
I will never put this back on, so do what
you will with with with it. So that's pretty big.
I'm not even someone who notices rings, but like you
had your hand because you're holding my dog and I
couldn't see your head. The ring was blocked. It was
like any clips. That's what I would say. I'm like this,
get you get cheated up? Absolutely, don't cry. What about
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the opposite sex? Do you envy about the opposite side?
What about dudes? Are you man that were their confidence? Yeah?
You realize it's mostly a show, right? Is that? Just
as insecure as you are, we're we're told we have
to be held to a different standard and to be
a man, you gotta it's mostly a put on. Yeah.
I just feel like you guys hold yourselves with more.
(32:50):
We exude a fakeness. Okay, well I appreciate that. I
won't feel as bad about myself. Then when I go
eight mile, when you go eight miles, I was telling
my therapist third day. I was like, look, I go
eight mile and I need to work on that. Help
me out. I know you're from Detroit. I know what
eight mile is. Like I go crazy, like I'll like
I'll beat somebody. Is that a term? Is that a
term a new term or way old or Detroit term.
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It's just like a Detroit term. So I have to
go eight mile is to go crazy? Yeah, like me
and my girl Christen breasts from Locash's wife, like, we're
we're besties and we're both from Detroit and we will
go eight mile on our people. Interesting. What's the most
absurd thing the US government could be hiding an area one? Um? Probably?
(33:34):
I mean I don't want to say just aliens because
I feel like everyone would say that. So I would say,
who's the guy that shot Kennedy? Oh, you meet like
his body? Maybe Kennedy or no, no, Tupac. Oh like
literally to literally he's chilling there with aliens. That's a
good answer to bok hmm. Interesting. Oh, what's the one
(33:55):
thing you bought and you thought it was easy? Better
turning out to be extremely difficult when you actually attempted it? Wait, okay,
that's that's a mind game to say it again. What's
the one thing you thought was gonna be easy? Right?
Take out? What's the one thing? Read? What's the one
thing you thought was gonna be easy? Okay, but it
turned out to be extremely difficult. I mean I was
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new marriage was going to be hard. I was new
being a mom would be hard. I would say probably
trying really difficult. You know, I'm just I have are
really bad anxiety I think just getting a handle on that.
Like you think it's easy because you think it's all
in your head, but it's really not. Like I have
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like real bad anxiety, and I do too. The last
few weeks been pretty good for me. Like I don't understanding.
I begged. I was on my way to Anaheim to
do a show, and it's usually when I'm not with
the kids, but I was like, I went psycho. I
was like, Michael, you cannot get on this flight, like
you cannot go home. He's like, Babe, it like I
have to get back to the kids because we were
shopping our docuseries two stations and or to networks or whatever.
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And I was just like, you can't get on, Like, Michael,
you don't understand, like I'm gonna have. I went into
like a full blown psychopanic attack and I'm like, this
is just this is getting kind of out of control.
Did he know that you were prone to those pre
I was on a little bit higher of medicine and
I've been trying to get off because I don't want
to be on medicine. And I know now that I'm like, Okay,
(35:20):
this is anxiety or not dying, like you're not having
a heart attack, Like, just go through it. But I
have a hard time, Like I've got Zannis in my
first but I'll never take it for me. I was
on I was on medicine. I've been tried a bunch
of I mean, I'm still on lexapro but very low
dos and I should go piano, very high tones. Yeah,
it didn't affect me. I took antidepressant for a while.
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It just didn't help. It didn't affect anything either way,
good bad. It just did nothing. And I took it
for two months because my doctor was like, hey, get
on these because I was having severe PTSD from childhood,
from being jumped, having a gun to my head, death threats,
that kind of stuff, and so I couldn't close my
eyes without seeing somebody attacking me. And he was like, hey,
we're gonna put you on I'm not even what what's
(36:04):
what's another clown upends what it was? Boom, thank you.
And I got on it two months and nothing happened. Nothing, nothing,
I felt, not up, not doubt, nothing, and it's like,
all right, occasionally you get someone that doesn't affect. And
so then I got I started taking sleeping pills and
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I got it was too hard. I was struggling. Yeah,
And then I got off and get so sick because
I just like, I'm not taking like you're saying. I
just went that's it, I'm done. I cut off and
I vomited and got so sick. Then it was the
closest I've ever felt to my mom, because my mom
had My mom had already died from drugs, but she
never got clean. She was on meth and she's done
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a lot of stuff, but she she couldn't get clean
because she would go through a draw and it would
be so hard, and I didn't understand. And I went
through something was a fraction of what she would have
had to go through what she tried to go through,
and I was like, oh, I finally kind of understand
what she and I didn't fully underst in but like
a twelfth of what she was going through. I was
so sick and miserable, and so I got off of
that and then I would take zama X occasionally. Um,
(37:07):
and I'm taking about once or twice a week, and
I haven't taken anything in a long time, and I say,
like two long time, two months when I'm taking anything,
and I'm finally starting to feel all right for the
first time ever. Maybe it's a dog a little bit.
I'm also taking. Maybe you're just finding peace in your life.
Not really, I don't have not peace. I'm pretty happy
right now. I mean, things are doing amazing for you.
But you know how that is. One you sacrifice one
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side to get the other, and then why you have
the other? You're going God, the other side sucks, right?
So is that why you don't drink? Why? Oh yeah,
my dad was an alcoholic. I don't even call him
my dad. He left when I was five or six,
so I don't know him. So you just fear that
you're going to have that trade. I do have the trade.
I have addictive personality everything I do, but not but
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just to work. I feel like, what else are you
say anything? It doesn't matter if I get into something,
I'm into it all the time, really like a book boxing.
It doesn't just work. I just try to channel it
in healthy ways. I mean it's good that you know that. Yeah,
I'm pretty self aware when it comes to them. So,
uh yeah, so you're doing so you won't take the
zanex because it helps me? See, that's the thing. I'm
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just I'm so freaking anxious that I'm like, I'm afraid
to take the zanexause I'm afraid. I'm like, oh my god,
what's this feeling. Now I'm feeling weird, and now I
just get so in my head. And that's why I
haven't been drunk. That's why I don't do like crazy things.
It's just but it's taking over my life because there's
a lot of things that I don't do because I'm
too afraid to go do it because I'm afraid that,
oh my god, that's going to be like two hours
away from my home. And if I'm two hours awa
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from my home, then I'm gonna have anxiety check and
I'm not gonna know anybody. And then I mean, I
just like, I let my brain take it over. You
drink it all. I drink red wine every night. How
much glass? I don't even know what the difference is.
You could say, I only realize there's four glasses of
wine in a bottle. There is I have no I
thought there. That's why people mostly get a bottle, because
if you're going to have more than one glass, it's
fair to just get a bottle. Was telling me. I
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was like, there's only four glasses and a bottle of wine.
She was like, yeah, what do you think to was?
I thought it was like limitless, It's like the bottomless Mohito. Yeah,
I I couldn't believe. So when people play like a
hundred bucks for a glass of wine, for a bottle
of wine of glass, it's pretty crazy. Can you take
the difference and really expensive wine? Yeah, that's the thing.
Like I am a snob with my wine because I'm like,
(39:17):
I'm not I'm not trying to just get drunk, like
I want to enjoy really good wine. So I kind
of my friends do not like to drink my wine
because they're like, damn it, now I gotta go back
to two buck Chuck, what's happening with you now? So
you're going to shoot this movie? Are you still you
can talk about the docuseries? Why I'll bring this up?
Are you still planning to pursue music as your number one? So?
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Nothing is the only thing that's number one in my
life is my family. That is number one. My kids.
My kids are my number one, like they're my life.
I love them to death, So they're number one, which
Michael is and not to family. I have a song
coming out um August. I believe I have songs lined up.
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I have like just I'm just releasing singles for the
next couple of months. That's how I'm doing it, Honestly,
it's the only way that I can do it that's
gonna be beneficial for me because to make an album
super expensive, and so I'm just putting out singles. I'm
doing that, and then I am going to be releasing
dates for the wind Down tour that Michael and I do,
which is so much fun because it's like a comedy
(40:22):
show meets a therapy session meets UM I sing at
the end of it, so it's a really fun event.
We had We tested it in May and it was
incredible to people that came. So we're just we're really
trying to grow that and we've got ten dates that
we're announcing later this month, so we're so excited about that.
That will be in October, November, December, and then we're
we pitched a docuseries, so we've already shot it. We
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shot okay, so shout basically the pilot or the sizzle
for the pilot. Yeah, So we went out to eat
and c mt UM Lifetime USA. So we're waiting to
hear back from that. And then I've got a few
other things that I'm cranking. I've got a new line
at tell our General Julian Jay's line, pick up the
little what is it? What's the we'll start, Well, it's
(41:05):
going to be eventually a big old home line, but
right now it's uh like water tumblers and stuff like that.
Water tumblers like you know, well, yeah, right, isn't that
author called tumbling? I just did because I'm like, I'm
very new to this because I've just stopped drinking plastic
bottle water and I've just started, like I do extra now,
(41:25):
which is fine. Get the home system, it's really good.
It's really because you stop buying plastic bottles and then
I'll send you a Jolian Jay's tumbler. So I'm doing that.
And then then Michael and I we have something else
that's really exciting that we'll be doing. I can't announce it, yeah,
but that's we're working on that. It gets released next year.
So we're kind of like doing a bunch of little
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things and hopefully hope it sticks and be fantastic. If
you got a show like a there's nothing wrong with
the word reality is not a bad thing anymore. Anytime
you can get yourself anywhere, it's fantastic. You just exposure,
is it, as long as you could do it on
mostly your terms? Yeah, And that's the thing. Like I've
been really hard, Like I would love a docuseries. I
think it'd be really fun. I hate to say reality
(42:07):
it's just more docut, but you know it's It also
could affect the acting side of things. But at the
same time, I have a family I need to support
and I want to keep being authentic and living my
life and showing my life because that's what I've enjoyed doing.
So I just hope something like that works. And then
and then I'm also doing correspondent work for Extra so
I'm really pumped about that too. That starts in September.
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It's I have a friend and I won't say it
on this because they will get in trouble, but they
I'm gonna say they as well. I'm gonna hear her,
So don't don't because you know you'll know when I
say this how sensitive it is. Um, they're doing Dancing
with the Stars this next season. And whenever I was
considering and then after I started. I would call you
and be like, hey, this is all in charted territory
(42:48):
for me, am I supposed to feel this way at
this point, and like I would call you and you'll
be like, okay, I also struggled here, and I also
had crazy insecurity and inferiority complaint and all that, and
I was like, okay, so I'm not the only one
that's and you're like, no, this is so I'm now talking.
It's we're just like generationally going through Dancing with the Stars.
(43:09):
It's like you're you're gonna be basically the grandma this
person because you're like my my mom, and I'm like
their dad in the same age. But you did it before.
You're like one generation before, and so they're going on
Dancing with the Stars. I would do it again. I
would not. You would not. By the way, I love it.
I can't get it can't happen any better for me.
It's like I went in and one yeah, I can
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say I can I can only diminish my reputation of
being a fantastic dancer. I won't win again. That was
that was incredible only to you because you knew the
grind of what really happens on this show and intense,
but it's it's like the greatest and that. But I
want to go back because I don't want to beat
myself up so much. I want to have more fun.
I don't feel like I enjoyed myself. And you know
(43:52):
what you would say to have fun? If Peop would
say have fun, You're like, what do you mean? Have fun?
Going going nuts here? I can't do it. I want
to win. You're in your own bubbles, not how I
usually work, and this I don't know how to really
dance and what. So I told this person, it's gonna
be the hardest thing you've ever done ever. It's going
to be the most amazing experience of your life. And
you're not going to realize how amazing it is until
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it's over, and you're gonna look back at it and go,
oh my god, that was really the coolest thing because
you're training with a professional athlete for and it's something
you'll never do again. That way, it was fantastic. And
I have always said, when the new season starts, I'm
gonna actually I don't talk about it as much anymore.
Stop talking about that's when my cut off. I thought
they were gonna do a summer season. I was like,
(44:33):
when they do it, I'll drop it. But I gotta
be the champion for the longer reigning champion, like the
longest time, the longest reigning champion in the history of
Dancing with the Stars. Boom, and you're coming back to
American Idol. Yeah, that's amazing. Excited? Yeah, yeah, because what's
your dream? Like? Is this? Are you living your actual
dream job? No? No, what is your dream? Um? Well,
(44:55):
I've told you mine, and I keep trying to ask
you to do it with me. My goal is to
My goal as a kid was always to do was
to be the day with Letterman. That was always my goal.
You are so freaking on the right track for that. Well,
I don't feel anymore you have to do a specific
time on a specific network, because there have been conversations
(45:15):
with a network where they said, hey, you can Eventually,
we're gonna open this midnight spot. If the timing works out,
there's no reason that you wouldn't be in the running
for the late night show in three years. You just
have a good show on and you can put it
on Netflix, you put it on Hulu, you can put
it on Disney Plus. It's all shifting where Disney well,
Disney Plus is just UM. If you make Disney Plus
(45:40):
is their version of network. I forgot there doing that.
If you make UM something good, people will come to it.
It may take a second good content breeze, eyeballs and
ear bowls. But I still feel like you deserve like
an NBC CB. I don't think I deserve anything. And
it's all timing and there's the chips have to kind
of fall at the right time because uh, listen, I'm
not the most talented person to be doing what I do.
(46:02):
I just made some good decisions. I disagree. You have
to still be good at what you do. Okay, I'm
good at what I do, But even on idol, there
are people that could mentor better than I'm good at television,
not like okay, well okay, I'm but I'm just saying like,
and from an outsider standpoint, that's not true because you
actually like you have like these people that you have
the same insecurities as the people that come in are
(46:22):
able to relate. Definitely, a life coach, shut up, couldn't
give you a life coach. I don't know. I don't
but from someone that watched I'm like fine, Scott's fine,
but for a different reason though, But Scott also had
more clout to go. I run a label. I started fine,
but I'd rather connect to somebody. They like that about
me on television that I've been able to connect with them,
and also go, let me pick a song for you
(46:44):
or it's a good And I love the Idol people
about the Dance with the People, I love them a
dance with the stars, love them. I'm gonna go back
for the for the first show, like we're trying to
figure out, now what I'm going to do on the
first show, Let's do something. Love them so much, but
I would never do the show again because I can't.
There's nothing for me to gain. Um, well, then you
need to find me my my my counterpart for my
dream job. Then, which is a porno? It is? Yeah,
(47:06):
it is soft porn. It's just slight like not I'd
prefer the left boob over the right. The right boob
has a little more sausage to it. So um and
idle people are great. And then I didn't know if
I was coming back for sure, because the judges don't
know if they were coming back, and they kind of
put us all on a holding pattern, and it all
kind of dominoede like once the judges got one. Once
(47:30):
they could pay Katie Perry dollars. I'm not sure what
our deal was this time, but they all make a
lot of money. And it's not Here's the thing that
I've learned too, and you know this too. It's not
about well, Luke, let's just say we'll use one dollar. Well,
like like one dollars a ton of money. Luke doesn't
(47:51):
deserve one dollar. All he does is sit up there.
And but what happens is is that because they have Luke,
advertisers want to buy on the show. People watch ratings,
do what they do, and they can get X amount
of dollars for advertising. And so that's why that's why
I'm worth a bunch on the radio show, not because
I'm any better, and I think I am and just
(48:11):
generally I feel I feel like I'm really good at
what I do. But it's because advertisers spend so much money.
They know that me I can bring bring advertisers and
advertisers will spend Therefore they're like, well, we should pay
him more. Like I just went to a huge contract
and everybody was offering me a job every platform you
can think of. I don't want to say anybody names. No,
it's not a poor thing. I'm just saying this isn't.
(48:32):
I hope this doesn't come off as bragge. I'm just
kind of telling the story that and it wasn't because
they were like, Oh, you're the funniest or most relatable.
They're like, if you come, we'll be able to sell
this show to advertisers. All that's the name of the game.
Did you know that they knew from the first episode
that you were going to win Dancing with the Stars? Um,
they were surprised by the first episode that people vote
that I had as many people voting. I was finally
(48:53):
told that after it was over. They go, hey, uh,
because they the producer told me they knew from night
one that you were going to win after night one
was over there well after the voting, because they had
no idea. They didn't. Here's the thing about the people
in the in Middle America. They love somebody. Yes they yes,
(49:15):
that's not my point. LA in New York don't understand
the power of normal folks. They're going, Oh, if you're
not La in New York, you don't matter. I just
represented somebody who has the Middle America appeal because I'm
that's me, and so people were like, this is our guy. Definitely,
they definitely were this is a good dancing guy. They
were like, this is our guy. We're going And I
(49:35):
think I won a small fraction of show viewers too,
because I just didn't know the rules. I've never seen
the show. Yeah, you lost your mind. There were times
whre I got emotionally. It was so good. I was
finally a quote told to me, and I never knew
that because they keep you unlock. Oh. I mean, val
barely told me that you even accepted it. One of
the producers. I was like, I know he's calling me.
(49:57):
I know he's on the show. It's so unluck and
they don't tell us anything. All I knew is I
was never in Jeopardy, And about two weeks after it
was over, I was told by an executive quote, you
could have taken a dump on the floor and walked
off and still won the show because your people were
voting so hard. That's I mean, look at that, Look
what you've built. You know, that's incredible that they have
followed you. I think we me I wouldn't be here again,
(50:20):
I don't just don't think I'm the most be here
without Amy wouldn't be here with that much. I'm just
talking about the people. I'm none of us will be
here without the listeners. Like that's why I do so
much with them because I just owe them so much.
Um So that being said, it's amazing. Anyway, I was
talking to this person who's going on the show, and
I was thinking about you because I was like, I
used to call Jan all the time. So I was
like volunteering. I'm here, I'm here. You're gonna need a here,
(50:41):
You're gonna feel like crap, You're gonna feel and if
you need something, let me know, much like you did
for me. So I appreciate that. No, of course, I mean,
I'm I'm always here for people that you know have
gone through that and need a friend. So um at
Cranmer Girl on Instagram. Check out the wine Down podcast
which is the I Heart Radio Podcast winner for Entertainment
TV category. And if you see her on the wrote
this thing these things left forever. Obviously you know how
(51:02):
this works. Um Jannah Cramer dot com for wind Down tickets.
There you go. You can buy her new tumbling lines, gymnastics,
all that. Um, we'll listen. We've done close to an hour.
It's pretty good. Yeah, it's real good. Can I just
need to talk about the girl really fast? I tried
to help, it's not gonna happen, but I know. I
(51:25):
was like, no, no, I tried to set you up
with my friend and I I messaged her and she
never mentioned me back. Can I tell you why? Because
you hung out with one of her friends? Say that
I just found out, like literally because I was like,
I'm on my way over to Bobby's. Why haven't you
just a while ago? Then? No, like today, well, yes,
when you hung out with her friends. Yes, it was
a while ago, and she's like, I just felt weird
about it. That's fine, but it didn't say I know.
(51:47):
I know you were like, hey, you should message. She didn't.
She like went ice on me. I'll show you the
text message like she just test text me back with
Tommy the girl. What's up? Well, don't say her name?
And this has been delayed because I can only show
stories delayed because people can be kind of do you
figure it out? So this is delayed by a bit,
(52:07):
are you Yeah, I'll just write the story. It's still
let no one knows the story, not even my Mike
doesn't know the story. Really love getting the juice. Um,
so I met this girl. Let's say, don't just let's nuts.
Let's say in a work environment. That's all I do
(52:29):
is work, right, Okay, it could have been a live show,
it could have been TV, it could have been I
will say this, I met the girl in Nashville, So
it eliminates one half of my So what wasn't an
l A that's a girl in Nashville. Um. And it
was just it was like, hey, it's it was cool. Um.
And so we started following on Instagram. And we don't
(52:51):
know if we do anymore. But I know, coum you
got a couple of seconds six No, no, we don't
have We're good. I'm not about that. You're a non follower,
Well just hold on from this story. Only just post me, okay,
not post me. So we were so you just I
comment on people stories that I think. I send you
(53:12):
a message on your story sometimes like hey that's funny,
that's whatever. And so we were commenting nothing to it,
like two months had gone by. We're just coming nothing.
It was at all super super light, and then it
was like I don't want of us, like, hey, we
should hang out. Maybe it was me. I'll just say
it was me for the sake of the story. It
probably was. And she was like cool. So we we're
gonna hang out the first time, and I got sick
(53:33):
and I was like, I can't hang out. I feel terrible. Um,
I was sick. And then the next time we're gonna
hang out, she was like, oh, I had some crap
come up. Can't hang out, gotta cancel. I'm like all right, cool,
I'm down one. Anyway, we're back to even. So finally
we end up going to UH to have lunch somewhere fantastic.
Were back and forth, funny, she's cool whatever, have like
(53:57):
minded interests and philosophy these and so I'm like, well
that was cool. And she had messed because she saw
me do something on TV and she was like, I
just thought you just popped on my TV. Do anything
that's cool. I'm watching right now. I was like cool,
And she meant me the same night after we had
lunch the first time we hung out, and I was like, oh, well,
she kind of came back at me three hours later.
(54:18):
That's a pretty good sign. Right. So I had a
friend over. We were writing some comedy songs for this
tour that I'm on now is a bit ago, and
he goes, hey, it doesn't matter the friend is. He
was like, hey, something about it. And I was like, hey,
do you know this girl? Yeah? And he goes, yeah,
I know her and her boyfriend. And I was and
I was like, I was like wait what. He goes, yeah,
(54:40):
I'm friends with her and her boyfriend. And I was like, dude,
I know she had a boyfriend. Let me tell you
what happened. And he's like huh, and he's like, maybe
she just was And then I started to go maybe
she was just being friendly. Maybe I read the whole
thing wrong. I don't know. She never wance I hear.
So here's a thing she never wants to mention, ever
(55:02):
mentioned a boyfriend. And but here's what I worry about
in Nashville because she isn't. Everybody that I know is
involved somehow in the music business. It's this the industry
that we're in. And I'm going, oh, she playing me like,
because oh that's sad. Oh that's how I feel about
everybody here. I'm sorry. That's why when you were like,
I have a friend who does hair. I was like,
(55:24):
does she have a song out? And You're like no.
I was like, boom, oh, I'm sorry. That sucks. That
must hit you. You want to be like you want
to hear another bad one? Yeah, I have a really
bad one. I'm really sorry. Don't you have a journalist
that one? Can I tell that? When you think? I think, so,
what was your question? Do you want to hear one
more story here? I do? I just that makes me
(55:45):
feel bad for you. That's how I treat everything here
in this town now, with girls and even dudes. When
I did dudes too, but um, even like got friends,
I'm always like why does this person want to be
And then it turns out so I don't trust anybody,
just me and Mike, and even Mike's got a girlfriend now,
he said, I go on for a year. Sorry, but
(56:05):
I think that. I think I also will now stop
relationships unfairly because I've just kind of been burned a
few times that way where I'm like, I just probably
not right. What's the journalist one? Um, so I'm on that.
I guess I was on a lot more. I was like, yeah,
and it's worked out for me wonderfully, because I've met
some really cool people from that app Um, not even
people that are like romantically date, but I was like, oh,
I know you from something and you just start talking
(56:27):
and you never go out. But so I've made some
good good friends. Oh, I don't know if I can
tell this story, Mike, not not because the girl, but
because of because what I'll give you. It's some of
the information is super sensitive. I'll tell you this. I
she's a journalist. We're hanging out. I said something. We're
just driving in her car and I was like, hey,
so and so inside information about show. Just thinking I
(56:49):
was talking. She freaking wrote a story about it. The
next day she did not and I was like I
woke up and I was like, wait, are you serious?
And I was like, we dress. I don't know if
that means I ever seen that dresses, but yeah, she
got me. Oh man, I'm so sorry. So I messaged
her back and I was like, I sent her the
link and I was like, hey, how'd you get this information?
(57:10):
She was like, oh, I got a source. And I
was like, m it wasn't me. Yeah. I was like
this is me and I said and talking about it's
not true yet, and she was like, no, I've been
told and to this day it's still not true because
it's still but but you were like kind of dating her.
We've been out and we were out. Yeah, and that
it sucks. I'm so sorry. So I got burned pretty
(57:30):
hard on that one. So I've just been kind of
roasted a few times. So now you're just kind of
taking out. Ain't no sunshine, And she's always gone. She
goes away. So when you go, hey, what's what's what's
happening with me? I'm always like nothing. And really it's
most taking a beat. I'm just taking a life. I'm
thirty nine, I'm done. What Oh God, nook out the
(57:59):
wine down I guess with Janna Kramer at Kramer Girl,
and get yourself a tumbler when it comes out there.
It is all right, thank you. I'll tell you all
THEDEO of the real story. Okay, that's the real story.
But there was just information I can't say because it
wouldn't respect. We need to wrap this up. I need
to hear all the dirty beat. I need to know
what friend I supposed to hanging out with. Her name
is so sweet. Okay, okay,
Welcome to episode. It's a good number. By the way
we are. It's the first time both both of me
and my guests have been shoeless. Oh you don't you
wear shoes in your house? Usually people come over. I'm like,
I got put on pants. I wear shoes how unless
it's like a friend. And so I was like, not Jane,
It's like it's like it's but you've been on, Like
(00:25):
I think, is she your most frequent guests? Mike, it's
the third time, third time, third times a charm both.
I think that the three is the most anyone's been on.
Oh my gosh, I feel so special. Thanks guys, really,
and you never been here. We did one in l A.
We did one in l A and one one on
the phone. Yes, on the phone, and then one first
time you've been. Yeah, it's beautiful. I've been here like
(00:47):
a year, so I don't know if it's new anymore.
It's beautiful. Thanks. I was driving here, I was like,
I don't even know if my kind is allowed here.
But I don't like wearing shoes. I like, especially in
someone's house. I feel like it's kind of disrespect respectful.
And then also I don't know, I mean, we're buds
and the criss cross apple sauce thing right now, because
apparently you can't say Indian style anymore, which I don't understand.
(01:09):
But that term doesn't come and that's not about venaculate anyway.
My legs are never crossed like that, so it never
even comes out. So I'm never do Indian style. No,
I can, but I don't. I'm not even I'm not
anti Indian style. I just never say you anti the name. No.
I just never sit like that, so it never pops
into my head. I don't get offended over not being
able to. I can't believe we have to be PC.
I just never think about it. I just don't understand
why you have to do criss cross apple sauce like that.
(01:31):
My daughter Jolie can't say Indian style. What's wrong with
that Indian like that? But maybe they did, but maybe
they did while they were being murdered. I'm not sure.
I'm pretty sure I saw that one movie with Okay,
but you're going with a movie Kevin Costner, Yeah, Okay,
they're all sitting. I don't think that Dances with Wolves.
They were not sitting Indian style. I just I feel
(01:53):
like we have to be so political, and that's what
bothers me. I'm like, you can't even sit like that
and say Indian style. Maybe it's offensive. Again, I don't
Maybe I don't know, I really care. I don't even
care about this conversation because there's no part of this
that I care about anyway. Like, I don't still like that.
I don't think about that. You can sit crisscross, you
can sit knees out, you can sit butterfly, whatever you
(02:15):
want to say. I don't care. Jane. Here, we I
got a couple of things. Let me um talk about
your podcast for a second, because um the wine Down podcast.
So if you're on here, and if people listen to
this podcast to go, she's pretty entertaining. They can come
to your podcast and here you do what. Me and
my husband have a podcast together. It's called wine Down,
and we talk about relationships, love life. We have a
(02:38):
lot of fun guests on and it's just a very
open conversation about marriage, the good, the bad, the ugly.
Sometimes you put them on the spot where I'm uncomfortable
for him. Well, you know what, I've gotten that feedback
a lot of times. So I've tried to lay off
a little bit. But my personality is I'm very just
sarcastic with other people, but sometimes it's a little too aggressive,
which has been kind of an issue because like, you're
still mean. You're so hard on him, but I'm like,
(03:00):
we were able to joke about it, but then it's like,
well is that really funny? It's not funny to him.
So there are times when I like, I realized that
I should have laid off a little bit. Your son
looks like him. I feel like all I did was
just pop out babies that look like Michael. She's like Michael.
I don't see it as much in your daughter, really,
I feel like they look like twins. Your son looks
(03:21):
just like it's just like a little mini version of him.
It's a little weird, like their same eyes squinted when
he because he played in the NFL. He did would
he want your son to play football? So he really
wants them to play golf, a non head injury sport
before middle school. I know that by the time of
the old enough football won't even It'll still be a thing,
(03:43):
but football, yeah, But I'm saying there will be so
much science that will be revealed, more so than now
where they're going get them, they're going to be so
so I feel like they get so soft now in
the game. I mean there's some calls where it's like
come on. Aside from the game, a lot of parents
are going ago now that I know X, Y and Z,
there's no way I'm letting my kid play football things.
(04:06):
Now we're seeing a little bit of that, but you're
going to see more and more of it. Science reveals
our heads, our skulls are not supposed to be rattled
around like that. What about all the other contact sports
like rugby? Who plays rugby in the States, Like point,
it's not even like ten? Isn't that the rugby where
they throw the things cross? Okay, any head injury sport
(04:27):
is going to be probably. But again, if we go
top sports in America football, football, FABA, baseball, basketball, you
kind of like tie. Um, so there's the top three golf,
soccer that's five, yeah, six, You're hurting my Detroit heart.
You're from the northern part. So I want my son
(04:50):
to play hockey, and Mike's like, I can't. I don't
know anything about hockey. I like, well, you're gonna start
to learn my My only point was what he would
knowing what he knows now what he wants your son
to pursue a career in football. I think he would
still he would not hate it. He just wouldn't want
him to do it so early because it's about having
(05:11):
the concussions earlier. And my only I pought this sigh,
is that and when your your son is older and
ten years let's say when he's eleven. Yeah, we're going
to know so much. There's gonna be so much science
with going. You can't even like take a palm to
the head and it affects you, kills the brain cells
(05:33):
because we've learned so much. The amount of times I
got a palm for my dad when I was a kid.
I mean, like, it's mc now it makes sense. Your
kids are old. I have a jolly raised three and
a half. And then Jason is going to be eight
months old. Oh he is eight months old. He's gonna
be nine months old. He's crawling. Yeah, I saw he
say he was kind of crawling right on your Now
(05:53):
he's like for real, crawling everywhere. It's really truly breaking
my heart. But honestly, I just wanted him to do
whatever he wants to do. I'm trying to push Jolie
into figure skating cause I used to figure skate. But
it's like whatever they want to do. I'm putting her
in soccer and dance and eventually I'll say which one
do you like the most and let's do it or eventually, yeah,
eventually you get You moved to Nashville. Now, when did
(06:14):
that happen? We moved about a couple of months ago.
And it's been awesome. It's been great, and it's it's
been bad and it's been good. So you were living
in Los Angeles to do? For what reason did you
go to l A? We went to l A because
we wanted to kind of reset because I didn't know
if we're going to stay together. Yeah no, I mean like, yeah,
of course you and your daughter and if you're thinking
(06:36):
about breaking up, we're like we just because the problem
is there's a lot of triggers here in Nashville. So
I wanted to I'm like, all right, let's just get
out of the city. I'm you know, I had just
gotten recently dropped from Warner. I was like, I just
want to get out. I just want to really like
fresh start go back into acting. Do my thing out
there and just not have the triggers everywhere. And it
(06:56):
was amazing for what's it healthy? It was incredible for
a relationship. It it was great. So you move out
there and you were there for how long? We were
there for two years and then we were like, okay,
we had a second kid, and that's something like we
need to get back to Nashville. What makes what makes
you want to come back to Nashville. Well, all of
our friends are here. Um, you know, it's we couldn't
afford what we wanted to in l A. There's no
(07:17):
way we would have been able to buy a house
because it's just so crazy expensive. Um taxes is another
thing at schools, Like the schools were terrible, and you
know for us, and like, all right, I'm not going
to pay for private school when you can have a
great school in Nashville. So that's why I'm like, all right,
we need to get back. And I thought we were
ready relationally to get back here. And so you guys
(07:37):
built Jana man Manor Mannor. It's weird to say Jana
Mannor Manor built Jana man Or. I kind of watched it.
I kind of watched it grow on Instagram. Is it
all getting built up? That's it's a massive house. It's
it's nice. I mean it's not as massive as this all. No,
yes it is. It's not. Okay, go ahead at all.
But you know, we're where we love it and it's
(07:58):
great and it's the exact same price as our l
A house and our lat house was so small. So
it's just it just feels good to be back here.
But it's been tough. We didn't realize the harder it
was going to be. Like we've been real like not
great here, but we're getting on the up swing again.
It's been the hard part, just the triggers. It's tough
because I kind of ran away from it all, you know,
I ran from all of it. I was just like
I don't want to feel these things. And then I
(08:19):
that's just just what I do in general. And I
think coming back now seeing the hotels and the like
the spots that like I knew things went down, that's
been Yeah. I think you would have to face those anyway,
right at some point eventually, Yeah, And I mean and
it's like suits so unhealthy, but like I went to
one of the hotels and sat and then why would
(08:39):
you do that because I'm know and like my therapist
was like, why did you do that? That's so unhealthy?
I was like I had to. I had to bury
the place because every time I drove by it would
make me feel something and I just had to sit
there and cry and let it go, and then I
was and then I felt so much better. So can
you drive by it now without tell you about a
place I drive by? Are you ready? Yeah? When I
(09:00):
drive to work, there is this place called crab Fever.
It drives me insane because it's crab with the letters
c R A B and it says fever and they
have a crab for the V except it has the
crab clause, but the head is so big it looks
like crab fewer. It drives me insane. I think you
go inside and cry. I can't drive by it without
(09:22):
going why would you name this crab fever and make
the crab look like a w It drives me berserk.
You need to go in there and talk to them
and say that this is really like bothering me. What
about your therapy situation? Did you have a different therapist
in l A. Yeah, we still face time with our
couples therapists a in l A. But now I'm going
to be a porter's call. Yes that we're musicians. Artists
(09:43):
can go yeah for free, which is an incredible because
the amount of money I've spent on therapy. I'm like, Wow,
this is fantastic and they're great there. So I've been
going there um and I really liked a lot. I
head up Miles because I've been on site. You've been
on site? I used to, Oh, well, but have you
have you been on site though? Twice? Okay, I loved it.
(10:06):
I went by myself and just did the intensive therapy.
But I hit him up last night. I was like, hey,
I gotta find a new therapist in talent um so
speak you know. Also, I'm gonna I thought about going
to the porters call. I was like, I think I
need to go and have one dedicated person. You can't
have one dedicated person there, I know. I just also
then I'd feel like I'm getting Okay, I have this
(10:28):
weird thing of feeling like I'm getting what I paid for.
I totally hear you, but I loved her, I'm sure,
and I heard the guys great too. The dudes, I'm
sure I'm sure it is. It's a me thing. But
I love that you're going to therapy, like that's so healthy. Well,
I was going to a lot of therapy and then
I was just traveling so much and I kept calling, going,
I gotta cancel. I've just been called out the l again,
(10:49):
I gotta go. And then about the fourth time you cancel,
and you're paying this money to go to therapy, Like
what am I even going? Just wasting money? But you're
not though, I get it, So I have to. I
have to find a newer one because when I was
going to a far away and that was a part
of it too. I do want to drive down to
Cool Springs. No, that's frustrating, and they won't. Nobody will
come to your house. It's not you can't like uber
do uber therapy. Wouldn't that be awesome? It would be
(11:09):
so specially it's a site that you can call. But
I don't think phone sessions are that good depending on
what you're sessioning. That's true. Um, I was talking to
you said you were going to film something. I looked
it up. You're doing a lifetime movie. We we talked
about these on the show all the time because Amy
is obsessed with them, these lifetime Christmas movies. How do
you get a lifetime Christmas movie? What's that? What's that project? Like? Okay?
(11:31):
So um? I was in one two years ago called
Christmas in Mississippi and it was the same producer and director,
but they offered me the role for this movie and
I was just like, yes's your character. Her name is
Sarah Winters and she's you know, the typical you know girl.
She's a lawyer from Boston. And then she goes back
to her hometown and runs into her ex big city
(11:54):
girl who's running fast and loose I know, but but
her heart is broken and still missing her high school sweetheart.
So we'll see. And who plays the dude? Um, I
can't say yet okay, but he's great Tyler Farr. Okay.
I actually did one a country person for the one
of the boyfriends. Um so yeah. I was like, do
you know a need country actors that want to act?
(12:17):
I do put me in you want to act? Yeah?
I've acted a bunch really well, like three times and
what well, let's go down my resume. We shall I
know American Idol. I had nine lines in band Slam
with Vanessa Hudgens and Lisa Coudrow. Yeah, that's right. They
showed the thing on Disney Channel. Still, Um, I had
nine lines in that. I did three episodes of Nashville
(12:38):
where I actually had a part. I never saw Nashville. Okay,
I don't. I watch a little bit of it on ABC.
I liked it a lot, and I didn't watch it.
When I was on it. I was kind of kind
of jumped off of it. But they were like, hey,
will you come and did a really small part. They said, hey,
why don't you have a real thing. Um, it's funny
that you want to also reveal something here since you
just revealed that about Miles. You just kind of put
(12:59):
that out there. That's and I've never revealed this before.
But um, I did the show and then I went
out with Connie Britton a little bit. She is the
vast human being. I worked with her on Friday Night Lights.
She's an absolutely nothing happened, just life. Um, but we
were doing that show together and we were acting with
each other, like this part will not go on Instagram.
(13:19):
This can just be the nugget for our podcast listeners.
Um that Bones went on a date with Connie Britten.
More than one. Yeah, yeah, she was awesome. Um, she's
so sweet. She's like, I don't understand how she's still single.
We were and we were acting with each other and
had a part with her against her and I was like,
oh my god, I'm not trained for this, and then
I did it and it was the thing, and then
we just kind of kept talking and I don't really good.
(13:40):
It's fine. She was wait a good time. We like
stayed super cool spots in East Nahville, so no one
would really and I never looked hard for you today.
It depends you on a situation. Right now, I'm going
through and I'm talking about no, no, no no, no, no,
no no no no, come on, I don't want to
talk about me. I'm going that's not true. I love
the Lifetime movie. Talk let me just finished because I'm
curious about this. Goes that the movie does not have
(14:02):
a title yet since I've seen it does but I'm
not allowed to say it. Okay, but the theme is
Christmas on the River. Yes, I don't know is that
a theme. It's you know, we're celebrating because we're filming
in Louisiana, so the river's there and you're filming in
New Iberia. Where which parish is that? Oh? They don't
have counties. Don't have counties in Louisiana. It's a parish. Well, Mike,
(14:25):
would you mind looking that up for me? So you
know how we're in what Williamson County? Like, No, we're
in David's think you're in d whatever count whatever you're
correct or no counties there? There are no counties in Louisiana.
They're only called parishes. So the parish equals county. Um.
And New Iberia isn't what part of the state, Mike,
it's how long are you going for? Three weeks? Yeah?
(14:48):
And what do you shoot on a TV show? Do
you shoot like five pages a day? Like? What's the goal?
I guess it's a movie. What is you for a
TV movie? I should say, well, we call it a
show like You're not wrong on that the show? Um?
And usually we film like five pages a day. I
was pretty good with that, yeah, because that was really good.
And what we filmed like fourteen nowadays, So it's going
to be long. And I'm number one on the call sheet.
So I'm there for you single scenes. I'm like you
(15:10):
want there? No, I'm so like you have no idea
how excited I am. I'm excited getting back. That's because
the Lifetime Christmas movies are now super cool again. They're
super invogud to do Lifetime Christmas movies, and I just like,
I just feel because it's funny. I was working out
with my trainer, Aaron Opray. She's awesome, but um, I
was like, you know what, I guess I'm just not
I'm done. I guess I'm just not going to act anymore.
(15:32):
So why did you say that. I'm like, I don't know.
I'm like, I keep auditioning and I haven't gotten anything,
and it's it's been like a year and a half.
She said, well, you're pregnant for most of it. I
was like, I don't care. It's still like, I just
feel like I'm not I don't know what's going on.
And then two days later I got right, Yeah, when
I was in Austin, it's funny you say that. I
love Austin. It's so home to me. Oh, it's the best.
And so that's where I filmed Frighten Nightlights. Oh yeah,
(15:54):
I knew that was there. I guess I'm gonna come
back to that too. I was in Austin, which is
still home to me. So I still lived there, still home,
and I was having a conversation with a girl that
I was seeing a little bit. I was like, you
know what, I think, I'm just here, Like for the
first time, I've kind of just conceded that one my
thoughts of what was gonna happen to me aren't gonna happen.
(16:16):
I'm just doing it in in a different way. I built
my ownyndication company. I wasn't like twenty five cities from
Auston to pop and hip hop. I was like, I'm
hat and I was like, I'm okay with it, Like
I'm just good. This is a great city. I'm just good.
Two days later, this whole thing happened. It was right
when I was like, you know what, there like, I'm good.
It wasn't the preferred way I would have liked to
(16:37):
have gone, and I loved Austin. It wasn't about that,
but it was about the career. I was like, you know,
but okay, I'm good. And I had that moment and
then here we go. Crazy happened to you too? Yeah,
I mean I hope it keep keeps happening. Well, then
just completely going I'm done. I know. I was like,
I'm done with everything. I remember you coming and meeting
all of the artists. I'll still never forget that. I
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don't remember that. Remember, oh the press con the very
first time yet. There was a couple of artists there
and we're all sitting there. Then we were all watching you. Well,
I felt ridiculous. I felt ridiculous. I was like, Oh,
he's so cute. No, that wasn't true. I was like,
but I knew that you were. I think you were.
That's when you started talking to what's her face from Gloriana.
I hadn't talked to her yet, but that was the
(17:19):
first time I had met anyone. But yeah, they made
me do a press conference. I was like, nobody wants
here me talking, aboudy knows why I am. It was cool, though,
I remember it. It was at the County Music Hall
of Fame and I went down into the theater. Yeah. Um,
so you talked about Friday Night Lights. I so we're
doing this thing now. You know that all the students
in OPASO and I owned Texas Forever on the trademark,
which I didn't know what from writing that lights, I've
(17:40):
never seen bart in that Lights never Never not, it's
one of the best shows. So we're selling our Texas
Forever shirts and don't ending it all of the families
in Opaso. And I know now because when I got
into the legal deal about because a small company had
owned it in New Brompels, Texas and so reached out.
It was like, I like to buy the trademark and
they were like, okay, we'll salt you for X thousand
(18:02):
dollars and we've been doing a lot of Texas charity
with it, and I just thought Texas Forever, which is
a saying I didn't know what and then now I do.
But Amy's always like, you still gotta watch Friday Night
Lights because it still holds up. It's so good. What
was your part? I played Smashes girlfriend and Smashes Smash
was played by I can't remember, no, no, what is
(18:23):
it like? Is he a quarterback or yeah? He was
a running back? He was the star running back, didn't you?
And I was like this, no at all? Football girl.
Were you in more than one season? Yeah? I was
when I was just in season two. Did you have
a prominent role in season two? I was? And here's
the problem with it, so I had I was thirteen
episodes guaranteed, so it's basically series regular. Um. Then the
writer's trike happened in season two, so I was only it.
(18:46):
Just if you watched season two, it stops at eight
episodes and then none of the characters come back for
season three. I was like, this is my big break.
Oh my god, Yeah, it sucks, think I was. I
was so upset, but you know, it led me to
do with my other stuff, which has been fun because
I did can You Do It? On CMT during the
writers strike. It was on CMT. I was with one
(19:08):
of my other girlfriends and we did a we sang together,
can you do It? Were you famous then? I mean,
I wouldn't say. I was saying, but I've only been
in frid and night Lights. I guess my question is
and what is fain? That's a whole different question. I
stood in the line outside That's what I'm saying Wild
Horse Saloon? Were you famous enough that you get to
go on as the person is from the TV show?
It's like small, but I still waited in the line,
(19:30):
still had to go through all of it. Really, yeah,
and you weren't a ringer and they were like, oh,
she's famous, what did you get her on the show? Now?
But then I made it, but my partner didn't make it,
and I never sang before like by myself. Who's your partner?
Her name is Diana Doser. She's lives in sane fright now.
She hates me. But besides the point, and you guys
just decided to saying together. Well, we had a band
called Moonshine. I didn't know if anyone was on my
(19:53):
Space you would have heard the song Montgomery Locomery so
far and you weren't a band called Moonshine. Uh at
you with her? Yeah? And then we decided to do
this because the writer strike and then because I was
like it's CMT like whatever, Sherry Like, I was talking
to my agent, She's just like, I really don't want
you to do this, but fine, And then I end
up making it and my friend was the singer, so
(20:15):
she was like, well, you can't do it without me,
And so then you mean she was a better singer
or she was a singer and Moonshine she was like
an actual singer, and she kept telling me to sing
and I said, I'm not the singer you're the singer,
I'm the actress. Got it, you know? And then I
made it and she didn't, and so she was very
upset about that, and so then I ended up accepting
the part, and then I ended up leaving the show
(20:36):
because I didn't want to. I was afraid to do
it by myself. So you ended up not going forward
on and Ashley Jed was like, this is your laft
Like I don't, that's not even how she talks. But
she's like, this is your life. How could you not
do this? You know you should accept this, and so
then I did, but then I freaked out and then
I left. I was like, I can't sing without her,
and I don't want to lose a friendship. Did anyone
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from that show turn into any thing as far as
country music goes? Did you mean anybody? So one of
the couples did for like a hot second. I can't remember.
Nobody's still around. No, no one's still around. But the
Brett Manning was one of the vocal coaches, and then
Ashley Judd and um one other girls. I don't know
(21:17):
what Brett Manning is. He was he was a vocal
coach back in the day. Yeah, so what do you
get recognized for the most? Is it your Oh it's insane,
like when I do shows, and I because I always
shot up my Tree hillers, I'll say, okay where my
Tree hillers at the entire crowd, Well, thank you, because
if it wasn't for you, there'd be no one in
this room. I haven't seen One Tree Hill. It's a
(21:39):
really good show. Yeah, I mean I've never seen it.
Chad Michael Murray, did you say Montgomery before that? Is
that wise in my head? Chad Michael? Okay, but One
Tree Hill is a really good show. Yeah. Yeah. And
what was your job on that show? I played a
girl named Alex. I did three years of that show.
We did three years. She has a drug addict. She
was really fun. She tried to commit suicide. Did you
like the character? Loved She was a hot mess, like
(22:01):
trying to break up relationships, like you know, just the
day in the life. So it was great And that
show did three years in Wilmington, North Carolina. And then
from that show, I got to sing on the show,
which is how I got my record deal is because
you sang on the TV show. So I ended up
giving You don't know any of this Bobby. You know,
I think you and I when we met, we just
(22:23):
passed forward it. We just yeah, I just wasn't We
didn't do the whole give me your life story and
then I already knew you, so I didn't like google everything. Yeah, anyway,
just filled me in on this. I know. I was
working on One Tree Hill and I was realizing we
were filming in Wilmington, North Carolina. And I've always been
the person to say, follow your dreams, do what you love.
And I've realized, well, I've always wanted to sing, but
(22:44):
I've been so afraid and I didn't know if I
got to pursue it. But the creator of the show
really loved music, and so I started flying to Nashville
on our the weekends and writing with some people that
I had just been in contact with and wrote some songs,
gave it to the creator of the show. I was like,
I don't know if this is good, if it sucks,
but just let me know what you think, since you
know you've helped Tyler Hilton have a start Kite Vogel
(23:05):
from this show. And the next thing I know, about
like two episodes later, I was my He turned my
character into a singer, and so then I sang I
won't give up on the show, and then two thousand
downloads later, won't. Um. It was a song that was
like a no I wrote it, Okay got it? Yeah,
I wrote it. It It was it was kind of It
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was on the first album as a bonus track. Um.
But yeah, I mean sold like crazy. And that's how
I got because I had already been turned down. I know.
That was after Yeah, during that time, I did like
a showcase and then failed and miserably. But then after
that I got signed because the Tree Hillers, And that's
why I always thank them at every show, because they
were there from the very beginning and you get recognized
(23:46):
most from that. That's cool. Yeah, no, it's fun. Do
you still get money from that show checks? I don't know.
I have to stream anywhere. It was on Netflix, but
they just took it off now it's yeah. People were
like real mad you get back to the girl though.
With me, Well, that kind of sucks for you to
a bit because as long as something's living and streaming,
(24:07):
you're still living as that character, which is pretty cool.
People are still finding you. Well it it's on Hulu though.
It's good as long as it's still up there somewhere.
That's great. Yeah. There's like a fifteen year old that
came to me the other day. Oh my god, I
love your character one trial. I'm like, how old are you?
You're so young? How old are you when you were
doing that character? And now I'm five? Does it feel
like a lifetime ago? Amy and I were talking today.
(24:27):
She was like, do you ever talk to Jill? Jill's
my first co host ever? She was an intern that
I had the radio station. And I was like, I
haven't talked to him forever. Um, she's kind of mad
that she didn't go with, you know, because no, no,
this is a pretty way before we left. I met
her and then she got married. It was like I'm
just gonna go move to South Texas and like have
kids in a life. And I was like, great, she's awesome.
But I was like, man, it just feels like a
lifetime ago. It feels really when that happened. Yeah, it's
(24:52):
it's just strange. I remember. This is really weird. But
my high school sweetheart just came over to my house
about a couple weeks ago from Michigan. Yeah, well, he
lives in Nashville. Now and his wife is really a
colorful what is up? But I've met Tyler for like
a couple of times. He's so sweet, Like, he's so sweet,
(25:12):
I want to he actually is one of the most
genuine people in the industry. I like him a lot.
But no, I had Matthew over. He's this guy that
I got like saying I got the boy about and
she got the man. But they're just it's one of
those things where you look back and Matthew Ramsay from
old Dominion, go ahead? Is he famous? He works at
(25:33):
like I'll stop, but no, but he he's super sweet
and his wife is sweet. And the kids came over
and Michael and I were talking about it. It's just
it's such a different lifetime ago, like I don't remember.
That's super a long time ago. I'm in high school.
But it is funny because he goes, hey, Matthew, do
you want your all your love letters that you wrote
Janna because it's in a box in the garage. That's funny, Michael,
(25:53):
that's good. He's probably holding on a little bit though,
Like I kept him that I kept the love letters.
So your neighbors this new place know that you lived.
That's you there's only a couple of neighbors because it's
a new neighborhood. But I mean, I don't know. I
(26:13):
mean I don't know. I'm who am I? You know exactly,
And it goes to the whole thing of fame, Like, no,
I don't really believe that anyone. It's hard to be
universally famous anymore. Even the people that are the most
famous aren't as universally famous. Again, yes, there's like three
Taylor Swift, Beyonce Ish and you know Ariana but but she,
(26:35):
but she, But Taylor is from even from years ago too.
I'm talking like new people now, like Oriana is the
biggest now post Malone. These people even actors. You could
go out with a picture and go, do you know
who this is? And they most people didn't even know
Ariana Grande was where the pop star Britney spears when
she was twenty two? You got with then he picked
anywhere and be like, who's this? Because there are so
many ways to find things, you like Instagram, YouTube, Netflix,
(26:59):
there are p pulled it. I would go, holy crap,
that person is so cool and famous to me that
you would have no idea who it is. And the
same because there are just five thousand ways to consume
content is truly insane. So especially this YouTubers, I'm like,
who the heck? There was a YouTuber that moved across
street from us in l A. It was like a
freaking four million dollar house, twenty one year old twenty
one YouTuber. I was like, are you freaking kidding me?
(27:22):
And you would have no idea none that they're making
as much money as they're making zero. And I'm like,
what did I do wrong? Life? Have you met your neighbors?
Did you go over knock on the door and say so.
I had one neighbor come over and bring me chocolate
chip cookies because again, we only have about six seven
neighbors living in the community right now because all these
are all new builds. But I will be the person
that goes over to every new neighbor because I love
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meeting people. My neighbors really well. Well. When I first
moved over here, it's not about a year now. I
bought the house from a guy who lives here, and
I came over. They they moved in while I wasn't here.
I was I was in l A working. Everything got
moved in, came it was driving out of my driveway
and the woman close to her stops me and she goes, hey,
(28:04):
excuse me. I was like, hey, what's happening. She goes,
do you live here now? And I was like I do.
She goes there were kids, and I was like, I
don't eat a wife, and I was like I don't,
like what do you do? Yeah? And I was like,
my name is Bobby Bones, bitch. I did not say
that in any way, and I didn't want to be like, hey,
(28:25):
I'm on the radio or hey. I was just like
I'm I was like, what can I say is the
most generic thing. So it's like so she knew I
was in the entertainment, and I was like, I'm an artist,
like I do books. I was just trying to get
her because how old was she? Okay, so yeah, she's
a little and so she was like, oh, she goes,
(28:47):
are you loud? And I said, I don't think so.
And the next day was one of those summer holidays
think like laboring. We had this humongous party in the
backyard with like a DJ and stuff. It was the
only day that I was loud, but yeah, she was.
She was trying to She was kind of sniffing me
out over there. But I haven't met anybody. I have
one neighbor that's like five houses down that's pretty famous
(29:08):
in a band, and he's come over and been like
I wasn't here. He dropped me off and he's like, hey, welcome,
that's sweet. I'm kind of scared of the neighbor moving
in next door to us because she's an old lady
in hers she's like sixty five older sorry, and she's single,
she's a she's a widower. I'm terrified of her because
I have a feeling she's going to be an issue,
(29:29):
you know, like I just get that vibe from her
because I've I've met her a couple of times. If
she's well, I know, but I just feel like I'm
just because we're not loud, but like maybe the one
time we are, is she going to write us a letter?
I don't want to be kicked out. Instead of a
last meal, if you're offered a last song to listen to,
what do you pick? Oh man, I'm like, super oh Fire,
(29:50):
Oh Fire and Rain James Taylor, and what is that song?
That's what's the connection for you? Up North? So up
North is the most just give its name Susanne, the
plans they may put you when? Why this song? I
grew up listening to James Taylor and we would have
(30:12):
his songs on repeat at the fire pit outside up
North Michigan, and that place is just heaven to me.
It's the one place I think of whenever I'm anxious
and have my anxiety attacks. It's just the place that
centers me. And the song just really just calms me,
reminds me home. I was talking to Vince gild the
other day and him, him and James Taylor are really
(30:34):
great friends. And James Taylor just showed up at one
of his shows that in downtown that they play every
Monday night, and James Tyler came out and played with him.
He was like, yeah, James in towns. I came out
and played. We didn't tell anybody I'm not going ever. Man, Hey,
I cool of that, James. J what's ther um? If
I had to pick a song like a death song,
my favorite song ever, well that's what it is, like
your last song. My favorite song ever is Ain't No
(30:56):
Sunshine by Bill Withers, Like that's my favorite song, So
that one probably this one? You know what movie? This
isn't well a lot like it's nothing him. That's my
favorite one. What I was going to say, it's so good,
but this is the song when he's like walking through
the season's so good. It's also in Will Ferrell and
(31:19):
Vince Vaughan go back to College, Old School. You knew.
I've seen that once or twice. I don't remember. It's
but part though. You gotta watch Hill have a good
date night. What's the most expensive thing you ever held
in your hands? Oh? Gosh, the most expensive? Probably my ring? Yeah, yeah,
because it's on my hand. Did you buy your own ring?
(31:43):
You can play the fifth because I mean, I don't.
I don't have any inside information. You don't. I the
first one was put on my credit card and I
got really upset about it. The first one, the first.
So this is my second ring because I would not
it on the first ring again. You needed like a
new start, new ring. Yeah, oh yeah, I was like,
(32:05):
I was like from the very first day, I was like,
I will never put this back on, so do what
you will with with with it. So that's pretty big.
I'm not even someone who notices rings, but like you
had your hand because you're holding my dog and I
couldn't see your head. The ring was blocked. It was
like any clips. That's what I would say. I'm like this,
get you get cheated up? Absolutely, don't cry. What about
(32:27):
the opposite sex? Do you envy about the opposite side?
What about dudes? Are you man that were their confidence? Yeah?
You realize it's mostly a show, right? Is that? Just
as insecure as you are, we're we're told we have
to be held to a different standard and to be
a man, you gotta it's mostly a put on. Yeah.
I just feel like you guys hold yourselves with more.
(32:50):
We exude a fakeness. Okay, well I appreciate that. I
won't feel as bad about myself. Then when I go
eight mile, when you go eight miles, I was telling
my therapist third day. I was like, look, I go
eight mile and I need to work on that. Help
me out. I know you're from Detroit. I know what
eight mile is. Like I go crazy, like I'll like
I'll beat somebody. Is that a term? Is that a
term a new term or way old or Detroit term.
(33:10):
It's just like a Detroit term. So I have to
go eight mile is to go crazy? Yeah, like me
and my girl Christen breasts from Locash's wife, like, we're
we're besties and we're both from Detroit and we will
go eight mile on our people. Interesting. What's the most
absurd thing the US government could be hiding an area one? Um? Probably?
(33:34):
I mean I don't want to say just aliens because
I feel like everyone would say that. So I would say,
who's the guy that shot Kennedy? Oh, you meet like
his body? Maybe Kennedy or no, no, Tupac. Oh like
literally to literally he's chilling there with aliens. That's a
good answer to bok hmm. Interesting. Oh, what's the one
(33:55):
thing you bought and you thought it was easy? Better
turning out to be extremely difficult when you actually attempted it? Wait, okay,
that's that's a mind game to say it again. What's
the one thing you thought was gonna be easy? Right?
Take out? What's the one thing? Read? What's the one
thing you thought was gonna be easy? Okay, but it
turned out to be extremely difficult. I mean I was
(34:16):
new marriage was going to be hard. I was new
being a mom would be hard. I would say probably
trying really difficult. You know, I'm just I have are
really bad anxiety I think just getting a handle on that.
Like you think it's easy because you think it's all
in your head, but it's really not. Like I have
(34:37):
like real bad anxiety, and I do too. The last
few weeks been pretty good for me. Like I don't understanding.
I begged. I was on my way to Anaheim to
do a show, and it's usually when I'm not with
the kids, but I was like, I went psycho. I
was like, Michael, you cannot get on this flight, like
you cannot go home. He's like, Babe, it like I
have to get back to the kids because we were
shopping our docuseries two stations and or to networks or whatever.
(34:59):
And I was just like, you can't get on, Like, Michael,
you don't understand, like I'm gonna have. I went into
like a full blown psychopanic attack and I'm like, this
is just this is getting kind of out of control.
Did he know that you were prone to those pre
I was on a little bit higher of medicine and
I've been trying to get off because I don't want
to be on medicine. And I know now that I'm like, Okay,
(35:20):
this is anxiety or not dying, like you're not having
a heart attack, Like, just go through it. But I
have a hard time, Like I've got Zannis in my
first but I'll never take it for me. I was
on I was on medicine. I've been tried a bunch
of I mean, I'm still on lexapro but very low
dos and I should go piano, very high tones. Yeah,
it didn't affect me. I took antidepressant for a while.
(35:42):
It just didn't help. It didn't affect anything either way,
good bad. It just did nothing. And I took it
for two months because my doctor was like, hey, get
on these because I was having severe PTSD from childhood,
from being jumped, having a gun to my head, death threats,
that kind of stuff, and so I couldn't close my
eyes without seeing somebody attacking me. And he was like, hey,
we're gonna put you on I'm not even what what's
(36:04):
what's another clown upends what it was? Boom, thank you.
And I got on it two months and nothing happened. Nothing, nothing,
I felt, not up, not doubt, nothing, and it's like,
all right, occasionally you get someone that doesn't affect. And
so then I got I started taking sleeping pills and
(36:24):
I got it was too hard. I was struggling. Yeah,
And then I got off and get so sick because
I just like, I'm not taking like you're saying. I
just went that's it, I'm done. I cut off and
I vomited and got so sick. Then it was the
closest I've ever felt to my mom, because my mom
had My mom had already died from drugs, but she
never got clean. She was on meth and she's done
(36:45):
a lot of stuff, but she she couldn't get clean
because she would go through a draw and it would
be so hard, and I didn't understand. And I went
through something was a fraction of what she would have
had to go through what she tried to go through,
and I was like, oh, I finally kind of understand
what she and I didn't fully underst in but like
a twelfth of what she was going through. I was
so sick and miserable, and so I got off of
that and then I would take zama X occasionally. Um,
(37:07):
and I'm taking about once or twice a week, and
I haven't taken anything in a long time, and I say,
like two long time, two months when I'm taking anything,
and I'm finally starting to feel all right for the
first time ever. Maybe it's a dog a little bit.
I'm also taking. Maybe you're just finding peace in your life.
Not really, I don't have not peace. I'm pretty happy
right now. I mean, things are doing amazing for you.
But you know how that is. One you sacrifice one
(37:31):
side to get the other, and then why you have
the other? You're going God, the other side sucks, right?
So is that why you don't drink? Why? Oh yeah,
my dad was an alcoholic. I don't even call him
my dad. He left when I was five or six,
so I don't know him. So you just fear that
you're going to have that trade. I do have the trade.
I have addictive personality everything I do, but not but
(37:51):
just to work. I feel like, what else are you
say anything? It doesn't matter if I get into something,
I'm into it all the time, really like a book boxing.
It doesn't just work. I just try to channel it
in healthy ways. I mean it's good that you know that. Yeah,
I'm pretty self aware when it comes to them. So,
uh yeah, so you're doing so you won't take the
zanex because it helps me? See, that's the thing. I'm
(38:13):
just I'm so freaking anxious that I'm like, I'm afraid
to take the zanexause I'm afraid. I'm like, oh my god,
what's this feeling. Now I'm feeling weird, and now I
just get so in my head. And that's why I
haven't been drunk. That's why I don't do like crazy things.
It's just but it's taking over my life because there's
a lot of things that I don't do because I'm
too afraid to go do it because I'm afraid that,
oh my god, that's going to be like two hours
away from my home. And if I'm two hours awa
(38:35):
from my home, then I'm gonna have anxiety check and
I'm not gonna know anybody. And then I mean, I
just like, I let my brain take it over. You
drink it all. I drink red wine every night. How
much glass? I don't even know what the difference is.
You could say, I only realize there's four glasses of
wine in a bottle. There is I have no I
thought there. That's why people mostly get a bottle, because
if you're going to have more than one glass, it's
fair to just get a bottle. Was telling me. I
(38:56):
was like, there's only four glasses and a bottle of wine.
She was like, yeah, what do you think to was?
I thought it was like limitless, It's like the bottomless Mohito. Yeah,
I I couldn't believe. So when people play like a
hundred bucks for a glass of wine, for a bottle
of wine of glass, it's pretty crazy. Can you take
the difference and really expensive wine? Yeah, that's the thing.
Like I am a snob with my wine because I'm like,
(39:17):
I'm not I'm not trying to just get drunk, like
I want to enjoy really good wine. So I kind
of my friends do not like to drink my wine
because they're like, damn it, now I gotta go back
to two buck Chuck, what's happening with you now? So
you're going to shoot this movie? Are you still you
can talk about the docuseries? Why I'll bring this up?
Are you still planning to pursue music as your number one? So?
(39:38):
Nothing is the only thing that's number one in my
life is my family. That is number one. My kids.
My kids are my number one, like they're my life.
I love them to death, So they're number one, which
Michael is and not to family. I have a song
coming out um August. I believe I have songs lined up.
(40:01):
I have like just I'm just releasing singles for the
next couple of months. That's how I'm doing it, Honestly,
it's the only way that I can do it that's
gonna be beneficial for me because to make an album
super expensive, and so I'm just putting out singles. I'm
doing that, and then I am going to be releasing
dates for the wind Down tour that Michael and I do,
which is so much fun because it's like a comedy
(40:22):
show meets a therapy session meets UM I sing at
the end of it, so it's a really fun event.
We had We tested it in May and it was
incredible to people that came. So we're just we're really
trying to grow that and we've got ten dates that
we're announcing later this month, so we're so excited about that.
That will be in October, November, December, and then we're
we pitched a docuseries, so we've already shot it. We
(40:44):
shot okay, so shout basically the pilot or the sizzle
for the pilot. Yeah, So we went out to eat
and c mt UM Lifetime USA. So we're waiting to
hear back from that. And then I've got a few
other things that I'm cranking. I've got a new line
at tell our General Julian Jay's line, pick up the
little what is it? What's the we'll start, Well, it's
(41:05):
going to be eventually a big old home line, but
right now it's uh like water tumblers and stuff like that.
Water tumblers like you know, well, yeah, right, isn't that
author called tumbling? I just did because I'm like, I'm
very new to this because I've just stopped drinking plastic
bottle water and I've just started, like I do extra now,
(41:25):
which is fine. Get the home system, it's really good.
It's really because you stop buying plastic bottles and then
I'll send you a Jolian Jay's tumbler. So I'm doing that.
And then then Michael and I we have something else
that's really exciting that we'll be doing. I can't announce it, yeah,
but that's we're working on that. It gets released next year.
So we're kind of like doing a bunch of little
(41:47):
things and hopefully hope it sticks and be fantastic. If
you got a show like a there's nothing wrong with
the word reality is not a bad thing anymore. Anytime
you can get yourself anywhere, it's fantastic. You just exposure,
is it, as long as you could do it on
mostly your terms? Yeah, And that's the thing. Like I've
been really hard, Like I would love a docuseries. I
think it'd be really fun. I hate to say reality
(42:07):
it's just more docut, but you know it's It also
could affect the acting side of things. But at the
same time, I have a family I need to support
and I want to keep being authentic and living my
life and showing my life because that's what I've enjoyed doing.
So I just hope something like that works. And then
and then I'm also doing correspondent work for Extra so
I'm really pumped about that too. That starts in September.
(42:28):
It's I have a friend and I won't say it
on this because they will get in trouble, but they
I'm gonna say they as well. I'm gonna hear her,
So don't don't because you know you'll know when I
say this how sensitive it is. Um, they're doing Dancing
with the Stars this next season. And whenever I was
considering and then after I started. I would call you
and be like, hey, this is all in charted territory
(42:48):
for me, am I supposed to feel this way at
this point, and like I would call you and you'll
be like, okay, I also struggled here, and I also
had crazy insecurity and inferiority complaint and all that, and
I was like, okay, so I'm not the only one
that's and you're like, no, this is so I'm now talking.
It's we're just like generationally going through Dancing with the Stars.
(43:09):
It's like you're you're gonna be basically the grandma this
person because you're like my my mom, and I'm like
their dad in the same age. But you did it before.
You're like one generation before, and so they're going on
Dancing with the Stars. I would do it again. I
would not. You would not. By the way, I love it.
I can't get it can't happen any better for me.
It's like I went in and one yeah, I can
(43:30):
say I can I can only diminish my reputation of
being a fantastic dancer. I won't win again. That was
that was incredible only to you because you knew the
grind of what really happens on this show and intense,
but it's it's like the greatest and that. But I
want to go back because I don't want to beat
myself up so much. I want to have more fun.
I don't feel like I enjoyed myself. And you know
(43:52):
what you would say to have fun? If Peop would
say have fun, You're like, what do you mean? Have fun?
Going going nuts here? I can't do it. I want
to win. You're in your own bubbles, not how I
usually work, and this I don't know how to really
dance and what. So I told this person, it's gonna
be the hardest thing you've ever done ever. It's going
to be the most amazing experience of your life. And
you're not going to realize how amazing it is until
(44:13):
it's over, and you're gonna look back at it and go,
oh my god, that was really the coolest thing because
you're training with a professional athlete for and it's something
you'll never do again. That way, it was fantastic. And
I have always said, when the new season starts, I'm
gonna actually I don't talk about it as much anymore.
Stop talking about that's when my cut off. I thought
they were gonna do a summer season. I was like,
(44:33):
when they do it, I'll drop it. But I gotta
be the champion for the longer reigning champion, like the
longest time, the longest reigning champion in the history of
Dancing with the Stars. Boom, and you're coming back to
American Idol. Yeah, that's amazing. Excited? Yeah, yeah, because what's
your dream? Like? Is this? Are you living your actual
dream job? No? No, what is your dream? Um? Well,
(44:55):
I've told you mine, and I keep trying to ask
you to do it with me. My goal is to
My goal as a kid was always to do was
to be the day with Letterman. That was always my goal.
You are so freaking on the right track for that. Well,
I don't feel anymore you have to do a specific
time on a specific network, because there have been conversations
(45:15):
with a network where they said, hey, you can Eventually,
we're gonna open this midnight spot. If the timing works out,
there's no reason that you wouldn't be in the running
for the late night show in three years. You just
have a good show on and you can put it
on Netflix, you put it on Hulu, you can put
it on Disney Plus. It's all shifting where Disney well,
Disney Plus is just UM. If you make Disney Plus
(45:40):
is their version of network. I forgot there doing that.
If you make UM something good, people will come to it.
It may take a second good content breeze, eyeballs and
ear bowls. But I still feel like you deserve like
an NBC CB. I don't think I deserve anything. And
it's all timing and there's the chips have to kind
of fall at the right time because uh, listen, I'm
not the most talented person to be doing what I do.
(46:02):
I just made some good decisions. I disagree. You have
to still be good at what you do. Okay, I'm
good at what I do, But even on idol, there
are people that could mentor better than I'm good at television,
not like okay, well okay, I'm but I'm just saying like,
and from an outsider standpoint, that's not true because you
actually like you have like these people that you have
the same insecurities as the people that come in are
(46:22):
able to relate. Definitely, a life coach, shut up, couldn't
give you a life coach. I don't know. I don't
but from someone that watched I'm like fine, Scott's fine,
but for a different reason though, But Scott also had
more clout to go. I run a label. I started fine,
but I'd rather connect to somebody. They like that about
me on television that I've been able to connect with them,
and also go, let me pick a song for you
(46:44):
or it's a good And I love the Idol people
about the Dance with the People, I love them a
dance with the stars, love them. I'm gonna go back
for the for the first show, like we're trying to
figure out, now what I'm going to do on the
first show, Let's do something. Love them so much, but
I would never do the show again because I can't.
There's nothing for me to gain. Um, well, then you
need to find me my my my counterpart for my
dream job. Then, which is a porno? It is? Yeah,
(47:06):
it is soft porn. It's just slight like not I'd
prefer the left boob over the right. The right boob
has a little more sausage to it. So um and
idle people are great. And then I didn't know if
I was coming back for sure, because the judges don't
know if they were coming back, and they kind of
put us all on a holding pattern, and it all
kind of dominoede like once the judges got one. Once
(47:30):
they could pay Katie Perry dollars. I'm not sure what
our deal was this time, but they all make a
lot of money. And it's not Here's the thing that
I've learned too, and you know this too. It's not
about well, Luke, let's just say we'll use one dollar. Well,
like like one dollars a ton of money. Luke doesn't
(47:51):
deserve one dollar. All he does is sit up there.
And but what happens is is that because they have Luke,
advertisers want to buy on the show. People watch ratings,
do what they do, and they can get X amount
of dollars for advertising. And so that's why that's why
I'm worth a bunch on the radio show, not because
I'm any better, and I think I am and just
(48:11):
generally I feel I feel like I'm really good at
what I do. But it's because advertisers spend so much money.
They know that me I can bring bring advertisers and
advertisers will spend Therefore they're like, well, we should pay
him more. Like I just went to a huge contract
and everybody was offering me a job every platform you
can think of. I don't want to say anybody names. No,
it's not a poor thing. I'm just saying this isn't.
(48:32):
I hope this doesn't come off as bragge. I'm just
kind of telling the story that and it wasn't because
they were like, Oh, you're the funniest or most relatable.
They're like, if you come, we'll be able to sell
this show to advertisers. All that's the name of the game.
Did you know that they knew from the first episode
that you were going to win Dancing with the Stars? Um,
they were surprised by the first episode that people vote
that I had as many people voting. I was finally
(48:53):
told that after it was over. They go, hey, uh,
because they the producer told me they knew from night
one that you were going to win after night one
was over there well after the voting, because they had
no idea. They didn't. Here's the thing about the people
in the in Middle America. They love somebody. Yes they yes,
(49:15):
that's not my point. LA in New York don't understand
the power of normal folks. They're going, Oh, if you're
not La in New York, you don't matter. I just
represented somebody who has the Middle America appeal because I'm
that's me, and so people were like, this is our guy. Definitely,
they definitely were this is a good dancing guy. They
were like, this is our guy. We're going And I
(49:35):
think I won a small fraction of show viewers too,
because I just didn't know the rules. I've never seen
the show. Yeah, you lost your mind. There were times
whre I got emotionally. It was so good. I was
finally a quote told to me, and I never knew
that because they keep you unlock. Oh. I mean, val
barely told me that you even accepted it. One of
the producers. I was like, I know he's calling me.
(49:57):
I know he's on the show. It's so unluck and
they don't tell us anything. All I knew is I
was never in Jeopardy, And about two weeks after it
was over, I was told by an executive quote, you
could have taken a dump on the floor and walked
off and still won the show because your people were
voting so hard. That's I mean, look at that, Look
what you've built. You know, that's incredible that they have
followed you. I think we me I wouldn't be here again,
(50:20):
I don't just don't think I'm the most be here
without Amy wouldn't be here with that much. I'm just
talking about the people. I'm none of us will be
here without the listeners. Like that's why I do so
much with them because I just owe them so much.
Um So that being said, it's amazing. Anyway, I was
talking to this person who's going on the show, and
I was thinking about you because I was like, I
used to call Jan all the time. So I was
like volunteering. I'm here, I'm here. You're gonna need a here,
(50:41):
You're gonna feel like crap, You're gonna feel and if
you need something, let me know, much like you did
for me. So I appreciate that. No, of course, I mean,
I'm I'm always here for people that you know have
gone through that and need a friend. So um at
Cranmer Girl on Instagram. Check out the wine Down podcast
which is the I Heart Radio Podcast winner for Entertainment
TV category. And if you see her on the wrote
this thing these things left forever. Obviously you know how
(51:02):
this works. Um Jannah Cramer dot com for wind Down tickets.
There you go. You can buy her new tumbling lines, gymnastics,
all that. Um, we'll listen. We've done close to an hour.
It's pretty good. Yeah, it's real good. Can I just
need to talk about the girl really fast? I tried
to help, it's not gonna happen, but I know. I
(51:25):
was like, no, no, I tried to set you up
with my friend and I I messaged her and she
never mentioned me back. Can I tell you why? Because
you hung out with one of her friends? Say that
I just found out, like literally because I was like,
I'm on my way over to Bobby's. Why haven't you
just a while ago? Then? No, like today, well, yes,
when you hung out with her friends. Yes, it was
a while ago, and she's like, I just felt weird
about it. That's fine, but it didn't say I know.
(51:47):
I know you were like, hey, you should message. She didn't.
She like went ice on me. I'll show you the
text message like she just test text me back with
Tommy the girl. What's up? Well, don't say her name?
And this has been delayed because I can only show
stories delayed because people can be kind of do you
figure it out? So this is delayed by a bit,
(52:07):
are you Yeah, I'll just write the story. It's still
let no one knows the story, not even my Mike
doesn't know the story. Really love getting the juice. Um,
so I met this girl. Let's say, don't just let's nuts.
Let's say in a work environment. That's all I do
(52:29):
is work, right, Okay, it could have been a live show,
it could have been TV, it could have been I
will say this, I met the girl in Nashville, So
it eliminates one half of my So what wasn't an
l A that's a girl in Nashville. Um. And it
was just it was like, hey, it's it was cool. Um.
And so we started following on Instagram. And we don't
(52:51):
know if we do anymore. But I know, coum you
got a couple of seconds six No, no, we don't
have We're good. I'm not about that. You're a non follower,
Well just hold on from this story. Only just post me, okay,
not post me. So we were so you just I
comment on people stories that I think. I send you
(53:12):
a message on your story sometimes like hey that's funny,
that's whatever. And so we were commenting nothing to it,
like two months had gone by. We're just coming nothing.
It was at all super super light, and then it
was like I don't want of us, like, hey, we
should hang out. Maybe it was me. I'll just say
it was me for the sake of the story. It
probably was. And she was like cool. So we we're
gonna hang out the first time, and I got sick
(53:33):
and I was like, I can't hang out. I feel terrible. Um,
I was sick. And then the next time we're gonna
hang out, she was like, oh, I had some crap
come up. Can't hang out, gotta cancel. I'm like all right, cool,
I'm down one. Anyway, we're back to even. So finally
we end up going to UH to have lunch somewhere fantastic.
Were back and forth, funny, she's cool whatever, have like
(53:57):
minded interests and philosophy these and so I'm like, well
that was cool. And she had messed because she saw
me do something on TV and she was like, I
just thought you just popped on my TV. Do anything
that's cool. I'm watching right now. I was like cool,
And she meant me the same night after we had
lunch the first time we hung out, and I was like, oh, well,
she kind of came back at me three hours later.
(54:18):
That's a pretty good sign. Right. So I had a
friend over. We were writing some comedy songs for this
tour that I'm on now is a bit ago, and
he goes, hey, it doesn't matter the friend is. He
was like, hey, something about it. And I was like, hey,
do you know this girl? Yeah? And he goes, yeah,
I know her and her boyfriend. And I was and
I was like, I was like wait what. He goes, yeah,
(54:40):
I'm friends with her and her boyfriend. And I was like, dude,
I know she had a boyfriend. Let me tell you
what happened. And he's like huh, and he's like, maybe
she just was And then I started to go maybe
she was just being friendly. Maybe I read the whole
thing wrong. I don't know. She never wance I hear.
So here's a thing she never wants to mention, ever
(55:02):
mentioned a boyfriend. And but here's what I worry about
in Nashville because she isn't. Everybody that I know is
involved somehow in the music business. It's this the industry
that we're in. And I'm going, oh, she playing me like,
because oh that's sad. Oh that's how I feel about
everybody here. I'm sorry. That's why when you were like,
I have a friend who does hair. I was like,
(55:24):
does she have a song out? And You're like no.
I was like, boom, oh, I'm sorry. That sucks. That
must hit you. You want to be like you want
to hear another bad one? Yeah, I have a really
bad one. I'm really sorry. Don't you have a journalist
that one? Can I tell that? When you think? I think, so,
what was your question? Do you want to hear one
more story here? I do? I just that makes me
(55:45):
feel bad for you. That's how I treat everything here
in this town now, with girls and even dudes. When
I did dudes too, but um, even like got friends,
I'm always like why does this person want to be
And then it turns out so I don't trust anybody,
just me and Mike, and even Mike's got a girlfriend now,
he said, I go on for a year. Sorry, but
(56:05):
I think that. I think I also will now stop
relationships unfairly because I've just kind of been burned a
few times that way where I'm like, I just probably
not right. What's the journalist one? Um, so I'm on that.
I guess I was on a lot more. I was like, yeah,
and it's worked out for me wonderfully, because I've met
some really cool people from that app Um, not even
people that are like romantically date, but I was like, oh,
I know you from something and you just start talking
(56:27):
and you never go out. But so I've made some
good good friends. Oh, I don't know if I can
tell this story, Mike, not not because the girl, but
because of because what I'll give you. It's some of
the information is super sensitive. I'll tell you this. I
she's a journalist. We're hanging out. I said something. We're
just driving in her car and I was like, hey,
so and so inside information about show. Just thinking I
(56:49):
was talking. She freaking wrote a story about it. The
next day she did not and I was like I
woke up and I was like, wait, are you serious?
And I was like, we dress. I don't know if
that means I ever seen that dresses, but yeah, she
got me. Oh man, I'm so sorry. So I messaged
her back and I was like, I sent her the
link and I was like, hey, how'd you get this information?
(57:10):
She was like, oh, I got a source. And I
was like, m it wasn't me. Yeah. I was like
this is me and I said and talking about it's
not true yet, and she was like, no, I've been
told and to this day it's still not true because
it's still but but you were like kind of dating her.
We've been out and we were out. Yeah, and that
it sucks. I'm so sorry. So I got burned pretty
(57:30):
hard on that one. So I've just been kind of
roasted a few times. So now you're just kind of
taking out. Ain't no sunshine, And she's always gone. She
goes away. So when you go, hey, what's what's what's
happening with me? I'm always like nothing. And really it's
most taking a beat. I'm just taking a life. I'm
thirty nine, I'm done. What Oh God, nook out the
(57:59):
wine down I guess with Janna Kramer at Kramer Girl,
and get yourself a tumbler when it comes out there.
It is all right, thank you. I'll tell you all
THEDEO of the real story. Okay, that's the real story.
But there was just information I can't say because it
wouldn't respect. We need to wrap this up. I need
to hear all the dirty beat. I need to know
what friend I supposed to hanging out with. Her name
is so sweet. Okay, okay,
Host
Bobby Bones
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