Bobby sits down with the legends Crook & Chase who just entered the 40th year as a broadcast team. They started in television syndication in 1983, then added national radio in 1989. They've been on tv and/or radio non-stop for 40 years and are the longest running broadcast duo in the nation. They share fascinating stories of country artists they’ve interviewed and hung out with over the years including: hair spray shopping with Johnny Cash, going over to Hank William Jr.’s House, a young Taylor Swift randomly showing up to their studio and having Shania Twain on their show before she got married and became an international star!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Episode three sixty three Crook and Chase, which I listened
to Crook and Chase my whole life. I mean as
a kid. They were the They were on the radio
every weekend. I would hear and then I would see
him on TV on tenn and you know, a lot
of months and months ago, Mike, we were like, let's
get Crook and Chase. And then when I saw a
pop up my calendar, I message talk about like more
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than anybody else. Very excited. Yeah, just because they just
they know it all. They have some great stories about
Johnny Cash and Shania Twain and Taylor Swift and they've
just been in it for a long time. And I
think some of people forget how famous they were in
country music because they had they had a national TV
show on all the country channels as well as the
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radio show. You know, so they were the face of
country music on a national level forever and obviously still are.
We wouldn't want to talk to him, I mean so,
but just a really great interview. And I can attest
that Charlie Chase his voice is like this even when
he's not on the air, he just has a very
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deep voice. But you know, they met back in three.
I don't even want to run it in the preview
because because I kind of find out some stuff during
the interview as well, which I thought was super cool.
It's also funny when I was like, do people think
you're married? Because you know, I probably did when I
was a kid like but and I didn't know why
because I didn't know who was Crook who was Chase
forever because I'd be like, I'm Crook, I'm Jason. I
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should have known by that, but I didn't. But episode
three sixty three, this is Crook and Chase, Lorianne Crook
and Charlie Chase, and it's just super cool for me.
I'm getting out a little bit my old school country
stelf thought that was this was really awesome, and I
hope you do too, so enjoy You don't, well, are
we gonna play any clips? Okay, your professionals, then you know, well,
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the the we're rolling. The issue is when people don't
wear headphones, as you guys will know, sometimes if then
have headphones on, they'll just talk. They'll talk from way
over here, and then you're like, no, I need you
to get close to the mind, you know, but with
you too, I need to learn things from you guys. Well, no, no, no,
you If you go back to the old Laughing Series
long time ago in a galaxy far far away, Gary
Owens used to hold his hand up like this, and
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it acts as a little bit of a you still do, Yeah,
I do. When we're doing our radio show, I do this.
You hold your but to me, that's like someone in
Iraq reporting in from like all right, I can hear
you chuck in this studio, like the whold. I would
do that when I did the NFL Draft because screaming
in my ear so I had to push the earpiece
in deeper so I could hear. I didn't know that
was an actual thing used for sound, right, It's just
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it just projects what you're saying back in. Yeah, it's
like picking up a ceashell and hearing the ocean. Try
you can hear your voice better. Oh, I was just
entering my ear by shoving up speaker in there. I
literally thought, that's what I was, like, I can't hear you, guys,
I'm shoving it in there, and don't you and don't
you see a lot of people don't realize that when
you're doing a live shot, like you're just talking about
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You've got an ear piece in there, and you've got
all these people talking with you. You're trying to keep
your thought together and at the same time they're saying,
all right now, when you finished this, I want you.
Who's going to tell you? Yeah, it's a weird. It's weird,
and I'm not great. I'm okay, too, pretty good. I
have some friends that are great at it, Like they
can hear a whole three conversations while doing a live shot.
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Me again, I just tried to shove it into you
because I couldn't. And it turns out I just didn't.
I couldn't process all the voices because it was out loud.
But the good thing about our job is we don't
really have to do at least I don't you guys
have to deal with anybody in your ear ever when
you're recording. Well, I mean we have, you know, producer,
owner ear usually, but this is where you know, you
separate the big boys from the bad producers. A good
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producer knows when to talk to you, and that's not
when you're talking. There was a clip of Casey Kyson.
Did you guys ever meet? Yes, he was on our show.
We did a cooking segment. He was a vegan and
he came on and made some kind of a soup
with spinach and dandelion greens and all sorts of things
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that Charlie wouldn't eat. But it looked like the front
yard sticks and stones and yeah, he cooked all that.
You would need it. He wouldn't need it, you know,
isn't it? Isn't it a bit you didn't commit? What
do you do? You got on the front yard and graves?
I don't know. I don't give me a hamburger. It
was delicious. Did he talk like that in person? To like?
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Not so much? It's more pronounced on his There was
a clip of him where he's recording something and he's
he may have heard it, but he's like, I don't
want to do another set song into a set. He's
just going out right about the dog to get a dog. Yes,
I just wonder what clips of you two exists out
there that someone luckily threw away and they never got out.
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Employees are prevented. Okay. So whenever we were having a
hard time with the show, technical difficulties or something was
going on, um, the director would play as loud as
he could over the speak gers in my ear, wild
cherry play, that funky music. I would immediately dart out
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of my chair and I'm dancing, and it just brought
the whole show. Now, I think they recorded that. I
think somebody has commie. I'm glad you have it. Here's
the clip of it now and up on screen and
rest sure she's taking medication for that nice Yeah, I
love it. Isn't there a song that just makes you
cannot sit stale? Bobby? That's an interesting question. A song
that I just love and you have to get up.
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There's this wild cherry play, that funky music. Do you
have one the twist? Just because of the fast beat. Yeah,
it's unbelieved. That song was number one and number one
in sixty three, same version or the same song. And
this is how old we are. We have actually done
the twist with Chubby really, so he came there, came
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on our show a couple of times. He was making
in Paris and Myrtle Beach. Remember we're doing the show
over there, and he showed up. He was doing a
one of the outlet, but he did Music City tonight.
Because every time we saw him, we always ended up
doing the twist together. So much fun. I guess I
just I don't the years start to be cloudy to me.
I don't consider you guys old enough to have been
with Chubby Checker. Not meaning you're old, but you're such
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a part of my adolescents, teenage years, early twenties, because
I just associate all the weekends from hearing you guys
all over the country wherever I was. Bobby, you're older
than you think. Oh, I am right. I think we're
getting for sure. Chubby was. Actually, and that's a very
interesting point you make. We were not like celebrating the
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first iteration of the twist. We were celebrating what some
twenty or thirtieth anniversary like that. That's much fairer than okay.
So it's coming back around as celebration of okay. That
makes me feel up, but even by myself. So you
got to be together forty years? Yes, coming up? We
started our forty year this month. Actually, anything for forty years,
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I mean I am forty two. Just I'm like, dang,
I've I'm doing pretty good just to be alive for
forty years, much less you guys, Wait a minute, you
were in diapers when we first started. I was, Yeah, too.
I guess you were on yourself. I still have no
and when you're still doing it, yeah, no, beginning in
middle all of that. So forty years ago you in
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what city did you guys actually start working together? Was
in Nashville? Yeah. So but when you say you're a
Myrtle Beach, were you doing some kind of show down there? Yeah?
We we would take the show on the road occasionally
and the big production, you know, we go over there
for the summer. Had on theater over there, the Crook
and Chase Theater, and you had a theater and Myrtle
Beach we did that is awesome. Was did you guys
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make so much money? No? Theater business is hard, but
I mean just to have a theater named after you,
someone had to go okay? Or did you guys just
do it yourself? Well? Okay. The Gatlin has had at
Larry Gatlin and the Gatlin brothers and my husband and
I bought it from them. So Brett Eldridge is one
of my best friends, and we've often talked about whenever
we're done, maybe people decide we should be done now
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or twenty years we'll just go get a theater in
Branson and I'll do stand up and he'll do music,
and that'll be how we die, not doing the actual show.
But that's like, that's like the end of the concept. Hey,
the concept over there is quite quite good because it
gives artists who are I don't want to say fed up,
but tired of traveling the world to perform. They stay
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home and everybody comes to them. I think it's awesome.
It's a wonderful format. I was reading a little bit
about you guys, because I didn't know, and you place
correct me if I'm wrong, because the Internet is known
have been wrong once or twice. But you started in
television together before radio? Is that true? Or you want
a national television syndication before national radio syndication? Let me start.
I started radio in sixty six, but together together we started.
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We did TV first and then radio evolved. Okay, so
I was right, But as far as as a team
now individually, Lorian, when did you start in radio? Not
until eighty nine. I started in television. Uh in, oh,
that's your your background, say, we're absolutely opposite. Charlie started
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in radio and morphed into television. I started in television
and then he dragged me into radio. What were you
doing in TV? Like, what was your speciality? A reporter
and anchor. I was a very terrible news reporter. Why
do you say terrible, because um, I am so. And
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this probably frightens Charlie about me. I could not cover
murders and accidents and things that happened to babies that
were bad, and I would just stand there on a
live shot and cry. And Uh. Finally the new star
called me and said, you know, maybe you belong in entertainment.
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So I started doing a show called Pan Magazine, which
was kind of a syndicated thing at the time. So
I was doing it in Texas, but the pieces I
was doing, we're seeing around the country and that's how
I got noticed to come back to Nashville. And so
you're doing radio since the sixties? What you said? Right?
And you started a small station, I'm assuming in a
small town like everybody did w r G S Rogersville.
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Did you come out of the womb with a great voice. No, No,
it's honestly my dad and my brother. My dad was
in the produce business. My brother was a California Highway
patrolman and military Air Force police notice or anything. And
myself I got and I'm the only one got in radio.
We all sounded like which is kind of weird. Um,
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But no, the unusual story is I did have kind
of a low tone everything in my voice when I
was like twelve and thirteen years old. And when I
first called my wife Karen, her dad hung up on
me because I was on the radio at and he
thought I was in some twenty one year old pervert
trying to call his kid, you know. So finally Karen
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and I walked home together one time and he I
was introduced to him, so we got over that. It
must be in the thousands where people have thought that
you two are married because you've been coming for so long.
I mean, I'm assuming that's even normal that people just
think you're because Amy and I my co host on
the radio show and we do account down on the
weekend too. Forever, they thought we were together just because
we were together doing something professionally. So that's happened with
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you guys, I assume, Well, we have a stock answer
for that, don't we. And they asked if we've ever
considered dating one another? Okay, my stock answer is do
I look that stupid? I like that? And mine is
do I look that desperate? But we used that a
few times before, But now you want to hear something
really crazy about that. Years ago, at the height of
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tenn Charlie and I were basically ambassadors to the world
for teen in in and from Nashville, and so People
Magazine thought that they should come to Nashville and do
a story on us. Do you remember this? And so
I forgot her name. This lady she was one of
the famouite writers for It was very nice. Came to
each of our homes and interviewed us individually, and came
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down to our studio on the row and introduced us
to you know, photographers, and had all this going on.
She came back. Did she come back to your house?
She came to my house again twice, and so she
don't I need to come back and ask follow up questions?
And basically she told us that Charlie and I were
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so vanilla, that's the word she used, vanilla, that this
was not going to be an interesting People Magazine story.
And she was asking me, she goes, have you and
Charlie ever had an affair or ever stepped out of
just something that we can put in here. I said, no, no,
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they killed the story. They never did it after spending
days with us in Nashville. They killed the story because
we're vanilla and we didn't have controversy, we hadn't done
bad things. I can't believe they didn't just run it,
but maybe not take up as much of the page
to just kill it, because you did that. Guys have
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such a voice, meaning not your literal physical voices, but
for country music. I mean, you introduced me to so
many artists on t NN because I used to watch
That's what even when I was on when the opera
was on, my grandmother and I would watch all the time, right,
Not you guys so much then, because my grandmother didn't
much care for the new music, so she's kind of
tune it out when you guys are having it. But
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you were the to me. You were how I learned
as a kid, other than kissing ninety six. It was
what country music artists look like. That's what I got
from you guys. First time I was a little big
town was you guys like saw them on the face
and I was I remember sitting on my couch and
I think tornado had happened, and you guys were like
walking into a studio or something with them. I remember
watching the oh yeah, our studio got hit, and so
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it was. I told them my credit YouTube for letting
me know they're better looking to me, and so I
never will let them off that. But I'm surprised with
you guys having such a voice that they cut that
story well. But we we did have a nice story.
And TV Guide remember that they were very I think
now it's just a digital space. Yeah, probably, And the
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last time I saw it was like a larger publication
but used to be you know, but like yeah, likes
every Friday and Cable Ace Awards were nice to us.
We got what we want, entertainment news show over um
over what entertainment Tonight, over Larry King or something. It was.
It was wild. So we were, you know, yeah, and
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right now, if I'm not mistaken, I think we are
the as far as a national I think as the
longest do that's what you're gonna say. I looked it
up to I tried it forty years. I looked for
anybody that's been together, and it can not find any Nash.
It's hard to find anybody at all the time. And
then when she left, when she quit and Kelly Ripper
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came in then that kind of yeah, catapulted us beyond
them in years again. Right then we were often compared
to John Tesh and Mary Heart on Entertainment Tonight, So
we were the country version of that. You know, I
think they're the A C version of you, because you
guys are the real deal. You've been in and I
mean that as people. Where you live in the country
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music world depended on you, and I can remember places
in my life where I was listening to you. Listen,
what do I know about John Tesh. I've heard them sometimes,
but I don't think people are going to go John
Tesh and Mary Heart Like I remember being in sixth
grade grade making out the first time to John Tesh.
That's I don't think that's happening anywhere if I'm being
on And also I didn't make on sixth grade. I
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was just making up some stuff there. And the documentary though,
you guys are gonna have to almost break up a
couple of times. Yeah, meaning so it's like the docuseries
Crook and Chase seventy three and Lorianne wants to leave
and then it's you going. Yeah. I just thought I
looked at him and thought, you'd looking like this, We're
never gonna get any from there, like yeah, it did
it ever come? We're like one of your agents was like, okay,
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it's time to take it out and go solo. I
guess what. We don't have agents ever ever. No, we
actually talked to each other and work stuff out. But
I mean with companies, right, you have to negotiate some
sort of like yeah, they contact us directly for things
like that, and we feel it's in our particular cases,
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not for everybody, but in our particular case, we are
hands on. We're the ones going to make the decision
on that. We're the one to get the initial feel
of what's being offered or whatever and whether we won't
do it, you know, Colonel and I passed a shirt
back and forth of you guys do we wear every
time we Honestly, I was gonna say, I'm a little
shocked and disheartened that you do not have my Crook
and Chase shirts, my motor cycle T shirt. He had
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the one that you know, I have your two heads. Yeah,
the book cover and I wear it all the time,
and I wear it until I see Cole and then
I give it back. To him that he wears it
till he sees me, and we passed the crooked We
both love you guys so much. Wearing a church or something,
you know, you know it smells a little yeah, now
that you mentioned it a bit. No, I have a
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There is a T shirt of me on my Harley
Davidson wearing short shorts. I don't know why I even
did that, but if I find one, I'm sending you one.
Do you have Do you guys have old merch still
around the house? And yes, I have like plastic tubs
full of it. I was talking to Ronnie Dunn, and
Ronnie and I have become friends. It's one of my
(17:48):
favorite out of nowhere friendships, honestly because I just everyone was.
They would be like, Okay, look and I love Brooks
and Dunn, like just listening before I ever had a
chance to even get in in this world. Who doesn't
love Brooks and Done? If you grow up on country music, right,
and so they would say, Okay, here's the deal, you're
gonna meet kicks. He's the nicest guy ever. Ronnie a
little prickly, That's what they would say. That they would say,
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like yeah, they'd be like a little prickly little. He's tough,
he's smart, Alex tough, he goes. So it's it's hard
when you first meet him. And so I'm like, all right,
So the first time I ever played the operay, Kicks
was playing. He was doing something to himself when he
came in. You know because at the operated door stay
open unless you're literally changing the door, stay open. It
Kicks comes down, nicest guy, big, just hey, super when performed.
Still never met Ronnie, and I'm like, I never want
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to meet Ronnie. They got prickly, you know, prickly and
prickly Ronnie. I'm just gonna meet Kicks and feel good
about it. And I'm I ran into Ronnie once. I
was doing some comedy for Reba at her her event
and DC the the Kennedy Center Honors. Yeah, and Ronnie
was in the audience and he's like, hey, what's up
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because my wife watch you and dancing on Stars. And
I was like, cool, nice to meet you. I'm thinking
I couldn't get the out prick. And then we did
some picture stuff together and he's like, well, you text
wet Ronnie's awesome. Did you tell him that you thought
he was prickly. I told him everybody all thought he
was prickly. Yeah, I just I'm telling him. I was
just like, people said we'd never be friends, and he said,
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they said the same thing about you, and I was like, well,
trying to figure out what we do if we see
Cold Swindell wearing our shirts? Ron to figure out some
My point was, Ronnie said him when him and Kicks
broke up, they had to decide who got the merch
and Kicks out all the march and he's like really,
He's like, it's all on Kicks his warehouse because we
had to split stuff up. Ronnie get the hot air
balloon or something did, and he puts it up in
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his yard sometimes. Isn't that crazy? That's funny, That's right.
I love it, great memory. I want to go for
a ride. Yeah, just drive by and if you see
the Brooks and Dun balloon in someone's a yard. I
want to go over to Charlie's house and like drop
rotten tomatoes and stuff. You know. Okay, I've got touched
up on something here that's been bothering me. I don't
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know what Nashville traffic. Okay, now, I think we said
over a couple of things. Hey, let's talk about this,
but I want to bring this up. Not a day
goes by that I'm behind somebody. The light turns green
and they sit there, and I love the way that
State Tennessee refers to it. They had their head in
their app okay, and they're not moving, And not a
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day has gone by in the past two weeks. And
I'm serious about this. I'm not lying. I've had to
the horn. As long as you're that's okay, right, because
I think so if you do, that's that's coming out
with guns. No, no, no, no, it's just like, yep,
that's the mean. We had a discussion on what is
that if you pull out in front of somebody in
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this town, which is just like a sport, if you
pull out in front of somebody accidentally or cut them
off accidentally or whatever, what is the proper wave to
let them know you're sorry? I got I just put
my hands in front of my face, like both hands,
you're driving, okay out And I suggested just a slight wave,
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use all fingers, but just a slight wave that looks floppy,
looks like you're flopping a little. Yeah, I do. Sorry,
I'm like, sorry, they don't see it, did you, guys?
Because you've been in Nashville for so long, have you
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ever met Johnny Cash? Oh my god. I went shopping
for hair spray with Johnny Cash once. What's the story
that led to you going with him to get hair spray?
It was late at night. It was Kroger twenty four.
I needed hair spray for whatever we were doing the
next day. And I ran in there and there was
the man in black standing in front of the what's
(21:44):
it called? The UK was something that he and Marty
Stewart bought, aquad Finished or some there it is. Yeah,
So Johnny Cash and I are standing there just kind
of laughing and talking about which hair spray we're going
to get. There are so many things down packed. Johnny
Marty bought akway Net the brand. I think Marty might
still use it if it's around Wow. And then he
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was just hanging it was was he recognizable? Yeah? Yeah,
that was back when nobody went to the store that
light at night except Johnny Cash and somebody who needs
hair spray late night. People like that, You're usually not bothered.
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People are respectful of what they do. They realize this
is an entertainment center and see stars all the time.
I don't know. I think starting to change a little
bit again for the worst. I think it depends where
where you go. If you go to a real touristy
place where people kind of don't know the rules, then
it gets a little ugly. So you're just gonna have
(22:49):
to pick your because I don't think it was. You
can tell me if I'm wrong. I don't think it
was as like a bachelor at touristy, not even years
and this the city has changed. It's grown, It's grown
really fast and because of the influx of people. Um,
I like to I always like to say this has
small town charm, but it's a big city. Was a
(23:10):
small town charm, but it's changing. Yeah, is that your
only Johnny Cash experience? Oh you do have a lot.
Oh here's on our show numerous times. Did you like him?
Loved him? You know what surprised me a lot. He
he helped us actually do a surprise tribute show to
(23:31):
the Statler Brothers. You know, he helped get the Staller
Brothers started, and the Statlers didn't know Johnny was going
to be there, and um, Johnny was going to jump
in and sing with them and surprise them on some
gospel numbers and back stag. Well, I remember, I think
this actually happened, Charlie on the air. Backstage, Johnny Cash
was pacing back and forth, and he was sweating, and
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even when he got on set with us, he still
had just some perspiration on his face, and I don't
know if I kind of wiped it off or whatever,
but he admitted that he was nervous. He was still
after all of his superstardom, his world travel, getting on
a set in front of cameras on live TV, especially
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in this sort of a surprise situation, we're all by
the seat of our pants. He admitted he was nervous.
It's wild that someone who had done so much still
felt like we feel sometimes. He was a funny guy though.
He was on the show one time and we have
a segment of audience questions where the crowd would actually
fill out questions and pass them to our producers and
they pick the one out and send it to us,
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and one of them said, Mr Cash, you al was
wearing black. Do you wear black underwear? In his response
on camera, live on TV, was I don't wear underwear,
so now we know. I had Hank Jr. In a
couple of months ago, and he was a handful. I mean,
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he was a he was a handful, and I don't
I don't know if it's because he's gotten He wanted
to smoke a cigar inside and we can't. We can't
do It's not my building. I don't make the rules.
And then so then he just wanted to get out,
and it was he was a handful, and it was
really cool to have him in. But was he a
handful back then? Oh? Yeah? But I mean he was
always very nice to me because I met him kind
(25:22):
of as a cup reporter early in my career, and
my first encounter was asking if I could go to
his home in Paris, Tennessee and do like a big
documentary with him. And so, uh, I don't know how
much of this I should tell. That means all, I
remember most of it. Some of it I'm not going
(25:44):
to tell, but I will say. So I got there
and I needed a place to touch up, and so
he sent me to his bedroom where there was still
a young lady there in the bed. Okay, I thought
you were going to delete that keep that no one
was surprised that. We were all like, okay, okay, that's fine, yeah, okay, fine.
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So I go into the bathroom and the toilet seat
is that rolling stuff with that rolling stones, the tongue
thing is is the toilet seat And there are things
that I can't tell you about that sitting on the
stink um. But anyway, I was just I felt like,
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oh my god, what have I gotten myself into. This
was the beginning of the day with him. But I
have to tell you he was the nicest guy. He
took me out, he had a little canoe, he taught
me how to fish on his pond. We had just
the greatest talk about his life and how at one
point he just wanted to die. And we had such
(26:49):
a great time that he then later on invited me
out to uh Montana where he had a place out there,
and UH got some more great footage out there. So
he and I became really good friends. He what wrote
me a note one time, uh which was very dear
to my heart, because he said most reporters came and
just tried to get trash on him. And he signed
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a picture for me that said, dear Lorianne, thank you
for making me look good. I love your friend. That's awesome.
And he was nice with us, but he just wanted
to get out. He was a handful, like all right,
let's go to no patience And had you said you
went to his house and it was pristine and it
was clean, and there was only the Bible. I mean, like,
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that's not that's not the hak I know, that's not
the that's not the hang On brand. But that's funny.
He had the rolling stone toilet and I want to
go one of those now, the big tongue. Yeah, I
didn't use the bathroom all day. Yeah, I would have
probably had to try to go there though. And that
one's just because that's where it was. What about an
early young Garth? What was a young Garth like? So
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don't you when we first met him, we had not
seen him on stage and this guy walked out on
our set. We had, you know, kind of a live
situation where we sort of met people briefly backstage. I'm
not even sure we got his name right where we
call him Garp or Garth. We've never heard it right,
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We've never heard Garth before. I could not believe how
soft spoken, very gentlemanly. I mean we're about the same age.
But he called me ma'am. And I thought to myself,
and I don't know, Charlie, if you and I had
a conversation about this or not. I thought, how is
this guy ever got to make it in music? He's
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not outgoing enough. Little did we know that he's a
maniac on stage? Yeah? Whoa? Was he super kind? Was
his reputation? Because now it is. And I've been lucky
enough to get to know him on a personal level
a little bit. Do things professional with him? Was he
super kind then? Too? Always? Always? And um? I recall
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one time he was doing Music City Tonight with us
on t N and and I had some friends in
from my hometown of Rogersville, Uh, Mavis Mall and she
was kind of like my second mom up there and
she was backstage. And after the show, Garth's on his
way out and he spots her and he sort of
figured he put two and two together and said, are
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you Mall? And she said, well, yes I am. And
he took his hat off and shook his shook her
hand and said all sorts of pleasant things, And that
was the biggest thrill in the world for her. And
you know, when Garth first started out, he signed with
Capital and Jimmy Bowen, who was the guy who headed
up the label at that point, was one who signed him.
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And I'm playing golf with Bowen and this is about
the time Garth is really starting to explode. And Jimmy
just kind of laughed when he was telling the story
about Garth. He said, I said, well, how Garth do
last year? And how's he gonna do this year? He
said he went from making dollars a year doing the clubs,
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and then he mentioned some astronomical number like seven figures overnight.
And the thing is that Garthur is genuine. He's very sincere,
he's kind. All that you see, that's him. But he's
no pushover either. No. No, I've done a couple of
business things with him where we did some specials together
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and partnered our two companies. And he knows what he wants,
he knows how he wants it to be and how
he doesn't want it to be. And um, he respected
my opinions. But he's very professional to work with. But
it's really interesting because you would think that, oh, maybe
he's so soft spoken that people could take advantage of him. No,
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he's very very smart. You know, the one thing I've
always wondered about these megatours that he's on. You know,
it was finished up in fishing up in Ireland and
all the stadium tour is and everything. How hands on
is he on a daily basis on something that gigantic.
He's gonna have some lieutenants, you know. But but knowing Garth,
he's on everything that's going on. I think Sincere is
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I've always searched for that perfect word. I mean, he's
so sincere, so so so sincere all the time that
you start to go, wait, is this real? But then
after he spent even more time with him, like yeah,
it's real, because he's never not. But he's also told
me he's there's three guards. There's Gartha businessman, There's Garth
the entertainer, There's Garth the person, and they all are
very different. And so Gartha businessman, I don't know that
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I want to get mixed up with anyway. We're on
against him. Gartha person. Awesome, you know we were. I
love to hear those stories because Garth had called and said, hey,
come open up. I played razorback stadiums like seventy five people.
He said, come open up. Um, we'd love to have
you performed before I come on, he said to me.
And I was like, okay, that's a little weird about it,
but I said, okay, we'd love to because I'm in
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a comedy music group and we played big shows, but
not like that where it's also maybe I don't know
who we are. People come to a theater and watch this,
but seventy people who don't know what's going on. They're
like these guys like the Weirdo Wiggles or something. You know.
That's what we thought. The guards like, you gotta come
to us. So we go and we show up and
Garth is there at sound check and it's like, hey man,
I'm gonna talk to you for a second. And I
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was like, what's up? And he said, you can have
the whole stage. It's a whole round, and most headliners
don't allow the opener to have the whole stage, especially
one around. And then he goes, play as long as
you want, and I was like, wait, you don't want that.
He goes, how long is you're supposed to play? US
aid thirty five, he goes fifty sixty, She goes to
go over sixty. I'm coming out, he goes, she goes,
I'll stop you. But we only have six songs, so
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just awesome. What about Taylor Taylor Swift? Oh my god,
remember the first time we've got to see we've got
the audio is there somewhere. Well, let me just jump
in here real fast, because we got a phone call
from our friend. And I don't think it was Scott
Burschetta himself. That's some assistant just with just just a
few doors down from us. And of course everything I'm
music grow every your doors are locked for obvious reasons.
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And they said, in a few minutes, your doorbell at
your studio was going to ring. Just open the door. Yeah,
So we went down there and opened the door and
it was this beautiful blonde young lady with a guitar.
Thinks she was fourteen, and she wandered up and we
let her in. Yeah, she wandered up in the studio
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based on that phone call, okay, and just as sweet
as she can be. And we we said, we talked
about her being in high school at this point writing
some songs, and she said, I've just written a couple
of songs. I'd love to play him for you. Sure,
So she reached it down and brings up her guitar
and fires up what became I guess her first two
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number ones tim and tear drops on my rush on
my guitar. She performed both right there, just because she's
in tears. I was sitting there crying this girl, fourteen
year old girl I had just met, because what she
was thinking about reminded me of being in June. You're
high and having a first love or whatever. She had
me in tears the first time we met. Pretty cool.
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That's yeah, that's an awesome story to have, and that
you let her in. I don't think I'm letting anybody
in a musical knocking on the door, even if somebody
says let him in. I'm like, I mean, well, listen,
that was gosh, I mean years ago, was that? I
mean things have changed a little bit more since then,
but uh yeah, we that was based on people that
we know and work with, business knowledge. Why not lorian
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and Charlie? Is that a crooking chase? Like? What was
that conversation? I don't think we ever considered Lorianne and
Ring to it. It does the literations good. You just
don't know who's who. Just by the last names. I'd
be like, which one I know because I know you too,
But if I just were hearing you on the radio,
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Crooked and Chase, they both could be either. Yeah. Well,
And the reason it isn't Chasing Crook it's because think
about it, if you say it fast enough, chasing Crook,
it sounds like a cop show, something chasing like chasing. Yeah.
So it was Crook and Chase and uh, and I
don't know what were we compying some other show that
had last names at that time, or maybe we were
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trying to be different, would be different Crook and Chase.
I saw you got another cm A nomination. Yes, thank you,
even forty years later. And likewise, sir, oh listen, I
don't get to do what I do if you guys
don't do what you do for many, many years. So
it's like, I know that I get to be on
the shoulders of the grades, but it's you know, Tim
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McGraw as an example, or Kenney, Chesney, even Garth to
be able to do something at a high level for
so long, because this is not the c m as
of people who used to be awesome. This is the
people who are awesome right now. And you're nominated, You're
you're nominated again. Now I would just think that it's
like still so cool to everything when it comes out,
you're just there again. Well can I tell you why
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it's so cool? And you're just gonna think that we
are such idiots? For how long, Charlie did we not
submit to be considered for broadcast awards because we didn't
know you were supposed to. We just thought there's this
you know, large body, how many six seven six, I
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guess thousand people in the c m A And we
just thought that they all voted and just maybe they
didn't think we were very good, and we were probably
like how many, like ten years into our radio career
before somebody said, I guess we went to c m
A party or something and somebody said, how can you
guys never submit? You know, you're great on the radio,
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supposed to do that, and we had no agents there
you go, You would think you guys would have so
many more. We we did not know that we were
supposed to do that, and we felt funny. Even now
we kind of feel funny, and so we try to
have people that work with us. Well, you write this
about you know, you tell us what we should submit.
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We can't brag on ourselves. Really, well, I can brag
on you be doing the whole show. Well you're kind
to say that, but seriously, if we sit out and
we'll we'll con confer about this. That's a little bit.
It's a little bit too self centered, you know, and
stuff like that. I don't like. Yeah, but Thursdays, darned, Charlie.
You have to know. Yeah, I tell him. I tell
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him I don't want to see it because it makes
me uncomfortable. But make it as self centered as possible.
I don't want to know, but I make it. So.
I saw that you guys did on that Shania Netflix documentary.
You know you were in it from back back. I
don't know how long. Okay, So what was Shania like
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when she came to town? Oh? She was. She was
a regular on our Music City Tonight show. To begin with,
I think what was the first single or no, wait
a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, even before
Music City Tonight, because it wasn't she on Mercury and
she had her first album out and she came on
our and perform That's what that was. And then in
between that and all the major hits, she was a
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regular performer on Music City Tonight, where she would do
cover songs. Okay, she was great, just absolutely gorgeous as
you could know. Um, and she I recall being in
the dressing room, you know, and everybody's getting all made
up and everything for the show, and she's just sitting
back here in one of those director's chairs, like, hey, hoy,
y'all doing you know, one of those kind of things.
This is just a sweetheart. And then suddenly after meeting Mutt,
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things exploded. She became a worldwide phenomenon. Few quick to
you guys too. Yeah, and I'll tell you what was
fun where she did her world tour and she was
a bridge stone arena. And I love telling this story again,
talk about self. Here it comes. Um, we're probably twelve
rows in the stage, you know. Should I had set
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us up with some tickets, okay, business thing. So I'm
there with the family and all that. We're enjoying the show.
And she was. She's great, and she looks down in
the audience and writing a little songs. Just I see you,
Charlie Chase, And of course in front of me are
Frank Wycheck of the Tennessee Titans and Aldel Grico and
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they both turned around and said, well, your stock just
win up. And yeah, I know. Did it get weird
when her fame became international? Meaning did were you seeing
international situation where people coming into town? I don't know.
It just she got so big in so many countries,
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more so than maybe except for Garth, maybe more than Garth.
I don't know. I just feel like she's been the
most famous country musicals we've ever had. Oh my gosh.
I mean she traveled the world, I believe on one
of her later albums with Mutt, they traveled around the
world and recorded uh in like in India and I
don't know, different places, Nepal, I don't know, um, but yeah,
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you know what's so funny prior to meeting Mutt that
that was just a big turn in her life. And
she would even tell you that, but she would be
talking to us backstage, and I thought it was so interesting.
She goes, I just don't even know if I if
I fit in this town. You know, there were writing
appointments and you had to be a certain place at
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a certain time and write with this person and that person.
And she goes, I'm like, I'm a little loose for this,
she has to be inspired. I think that's why she
and Mutt clicked because he allowed her too. And I
guess what Mutt does. He allows people to be the
artist that they want to be. But he's so private.
I remember she disappeared from Music City Tonight for several
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weeks and when she came back, she was married and
she brought a picture of her wedding but it was
cut in half. Prophetic maybe, but Mutt wasn't in it.
I was like, well, wait a minute, where's your husband,
because I didn't know who Mutt lying was at the time,
and she goes, oh, well, he's really private and I
can't show his picture around. But she wanted us to
see her in her wedding dress on her wedding day.
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But it was I don't think she was with our
show more than a few months after that because she
and much just I get one of my pictures, told
her to insert it right there, and she cut you
out of it. Yeah, an individual answer from both of you,
and Lorien, I'll start with you. If I say you
know you're gonna interview this person, it's gonna be a
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great interview because they just are great on the microphone.
Who's a great interview? There are so many, but you
gotta give me one who's bad. I'm not saying it's
bad because okay, I will tell you mine to give
you thoughts on this. I know and again, much like you,
guys have been fortunate enough to forge relationships with certain
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people in this town to some of them happen to
be artists. And one of my friends is Jake Owen,
who I know he's going to nail it on air
because he just has something. He's all. He comes in prepared.
He will go wherever I take or I'll let him
take me somewhere. We just have that relationship where I
know Jake is coming in it's going to be a
killer interview regardless. So if I were to put that
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on you Lorian classic artist or current does let's go
classic classic you can do each if you want. We
can do the categories well okay, okay. Barbara Mandrell flat out,
we'll tell you the truth about anything. I love that.
And Reba, she and Reba. Yeah, Reba's awesome. She'll just
she was always like that. Yeah, because I don't know
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if it's Reban now because she's Reba, because she will
just say it. I'll take that back. And when I
first interviewed her in three, I believe it was she
was still trying to get a feel. Yeah, the field
of the vine's a little timid at first. I guess
that's a good word. But boy, now she'll tell you whatever.
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You love it, Yes, I love it. She'd be up
there too, as far as I just don't get to
interview her as much anymore. Um, because she's rebound. She
does whatever she wants. And but okay, so we're gonna
do Barbara Mandreau and then who would be current? Current are?
Oh god, Charlie. Who do we break into giggles about
so many? I will tell you, brothers Osborne, brothers Osborne.
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For whatever reason, we just start off the rails and
we never get back on, and we just laugh a lot.
I love that. Good guys, good guys. Al Dean is funny.
Al Deane is a man. Well, it's because Charlie and
al Dean are naughty little boys, and when they get together,
I cannot, I can't keep it together on the show. Well,
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we start out and giving him some crap to begin with,
and then it slowly just talking about tongue toilet, seats
and then you you're rolling sound toilets were not not
exactly that. But I'll tell you I like Trisia your wood.
She goes back to what you were saying in a
moment ago. You bring it, just throw it out there.
She'll go with you wherever you want to go. She's
so funny. And Justin Moore, I just did an interview
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with him. He's on his mind, he's out of his mind.
You know, he's another Arkansas boy. So you just tell
me the other day, uh, you know, we're a woman
your love of course a big hit song and all that,
and he's talking about I said, well, what have you
had to do? What consessions have you had to make?
You will I've learned? He said, you know, I don't
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like cats. And she brought home a damn cat and
I love that cat. It sleeps into bed. The cat
sleeps in the bed with me. And he just just
turned and walked away. And he's a good guy. So
you guys were inducted into the Country's a Call of
Fame radio. Yeah, that's awesome. So when you get that call,
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how long was that? Okay? So that's I mean, that's
you just have I didn't know which acclam bounce with
you guys, I don't know which act like to focus on,
But I just like to talk to you guys, but
also want to share with our younger because we get
about a million people in the episode listen to this thing,
and so maybe some of our younger audience they're only
listening to stuff like streaming music and podcasts, and so
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I was like, I want to really focus on a
couple of the but there's so many I didn't know
what to focus on. So we've spent some of this time.
We could do a whole podcast on just all the
cool things you guys have done. And that's one of
them in the country music the Country Radio Hall of Fame.
And so when you who calls and tells you that
or what's that? Yeah? Well Bill called me yeah, and
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he basically I was at my desk and I picked
up the phone and uh, Bill Main and uh. He
asked me what I was doing on a certain date.
And usually that means people want you to come and
present or be on the board or whatever. And so
I was a little cautious because I don't want to
immediately commit to something that I don't know about him
my crazy schedule, and so I was kind of like, well,
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what's the day. What are we talking about? And he says,
because you are going to be inducted into the Country
Radio Hall of Fame. And I swear to you I'm
gonna back up all he heard over there. I swear
I screamed that loud for about five minutes. I watched
a horror movie last night. It sounded just like uh
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oh No. Bill called me as well, and he just said, uh,
you know he I knew who he was. I didn't
know why he was calling, though, because he's the country
radio broadcaster at CRB, and I figured, hey, wants us
to do something. He said, well, you're going down the
Hall of Fame. I said, are you sure? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
And I was very pleased to hear that. Charlie, Well,
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I'm not going to do what you did, but I
did something similar. I got, I got off the phone
and did okay, And no one. I don't think anyone
is more deserving than you, guys, but allow me to
be slightly offended that you weren't in years your years
earlier than that. I'm gonna be honest with you because
we don't see but that's about we hit on before.
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We are so crazy. We are just so focused on
the next show and doing the next thing. We we
don't sit around and and and I guess we should,
but we don't figure out what award we want or um.
I don't even know how you get voted on are
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nominated for these things. So I think maybe that's just
one of our weaknesses as as people in the business,
is that we we just have to get more self
promotion oriented some more people know about Probably our focus
has always been on day to day. On eBay, right now,
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you can get a Crook and Chase Country Gold trading
card autographed. No, how much do you think that card
goes for cents? Well, you'll be shot? Could you've been
making three dollars and ten cents if one of those
non autographed? Though? If your autograph at least three d
is there a make an offer on there? Um by
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it now? Yeah, we will sell it to you for
two dollars. Okay, you know what you got it. So
but Charlie, you know you have the go tee now
kind of the beard into the gotee just the must
When did when did you make the decision to go
from the single Mustache two more five years ago. I
have no idea why. I do recall when I first
started growing this beard and Charlie Daniels was coming by.
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The late Charlie Daniels was coming by a studio and
he walked and he looked at me, said, I've been
growing up. I guess about a month. He said, are
you growing a beard? Yeah? He said, it's going to
be what going by. I became popular. Thomas grew a beard. Yeah,
And then everybody started growing a beard during the pandemic
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and I kept it. So I started, this is a
pre pandemic beard. But yeah, I thought I'd tried, who's
your favorite artist of all time? Led Zeppelin? Mm hmmm.
I'm just I'm going to base this on just experience
and go into the shows and my youth and everything else.
The Rolling Stones, I know, tolet SA you could get
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I know I do. I do have the shirt autographed
by Mick Jaggers. Thank you very much. Yes. As a
matter of fact, we saw the Stones. Karen and I
and my wife Karen and I saw the Rolling Stones
in Knoxville in nineteen seventy two, and there was the
tumbling dice to her, I guess it was yeah, and
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we looked up and we didn't know this. It wasn't advertised.
But here comes the opening act. It was Stevie Wonder.
So here's Stevie Wonder coming on with the Sweet Inspirations
his backup group. One of the Sweet Inspirations was his
sister was in the group and they were doing a
condoline that's how they got him from one place to another,
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you know, on stage. And then the Stones came out
and that was when they were comparing the loudness of
Rolling Stone concert to standing behind a jet engine. That
was a big deal back then. And we saw that
the tickets were six dollars and fifty cents. You can
get two trading cards for that price. Make an offer.
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I'm just telling you. Do you want to do you
want to hear my pathetic led Zeppelin story? I was
to ask? So, first of all, they were the reason
that in high school I was grounded for an entire
summer because they came to Birmingham, Alabama, and my boyfriend
and I, without telling my parents, we went to see
at that point and I didn't get home till one
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or two in the morning, so I got grounded. The
whole summer fast forward to I don't know when did
Robert Plant start working with Alison Krause. This is how
much I love Robert Plant. I had the opportunity in
a little hole way to meet him and shake his
hand like Charlie did. And I got about as far
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to him as you are to me, Bobby, and I
turned around and ran out of the building, ran to
the elevator. I love this man and his artistry and
his voice so much. I did not have the guts
to meet him, and I still haven't. I chatted him up. Really,
what can I go back? I'm going to go back.
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I need to amend my insurgence a little bit. There
are two number one artists for me. I mentioned the
Stones and the Beatles. Do you ever see him? Uh?
I see to him, saw McCartney. I never saw him
as a group. McCartney and Ringo. I saw Ringo down
at the Rhyman recently with his all star band. He
was incredibly good buying hair spray. You know, I don't know.
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This man just turned eighty years old and he was
all over the place. Yeah he's eighty. Yeah, let me
ask you. And we're getting close to into this. We
almost an hour with you, guys. I'm just I'm just
grateful for your time. Were you worried about going up
to Robert Plant the whole time or did it just
hit you like I need to go? Like what because
you're going up to him? Can you walk me through that? Well?
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The only reason I was going toward him was because
he and Allison were leaving the studio where they were working,
and I had Charlie and I had to walk toward
them and buy them to get to the studio where
we were working. And I just I don't even know
what I'm afraid of. I think I would just probably
act like an idiot or I just start crying. I
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love you. I just didn't want to be an idiot.
It was part of it that you didn't want him
to not be nice, so you didn't want to have
to love him less. Maybe maybe I've made those decisions. Yeah, yeah,
where it's like, I'm such a big fan, I just
don't even want to risk not loving your arts. If
that happens, you could we can use anybody's singer, and
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we use anybody as anyone. Go up to Plant and
go hold on love and play some wild cherry and
I'll dance. I'll be your dancer. Let me say to
you too. I I've been looking forward to this for
weeks and weeks when I saw pop up on my
calendar because I told my god, we have like a
dream list of people that we want personally, and you
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know we could really I mean, people come by, urban
cup drives up, comes over, and everybody comes by. But
when it was like our dream list, it's people that
personally like have mattered to us, I said, man, I
would love to get you too, and it popped up.
He didn't tell me, he just popped from my calendar
and I screenshot it and sent it back and I
said him with it with a fist emoji, going, that's awesome.
You didn't go. I did not. I did not. I'm disappointed.
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But when you guys walked in, instead of going up
and saying hello, almost ran away, but I kept myself.
I sat here and I'm glad I did. And then
he went, because you're awesome. The congratulations on not just
an excellent career, but the sustain success like they're completely independent.
Congratulations on such a noteworthy and even to someone as
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a fan myself, it has impacted me in many ways.
So it just selfishly personally, I say thank you, but
also it's like you've sustained it where you're still relevant
after forty years together, and that itself is just hopefully
to you guys, like a treasure that you're able to
stay together and keep doing it. It's a lot of fun.
We we consider ourselves family, we're close friends. We've been
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through a lot together as friends and business partners and things,
and it's, uh, it's good and it's by the grace
of God. Yeah, let's just say it. You know, it's
one of those things you can't plan it, and uh,
if it happens this way, it's it's a god thing.
And you can follow Charlie on TikTok. You have to
just go over and can you imagine you're dancing on
the tto. You're gonna buy the car. The car we've
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seen Bobby boing it to get up. You don't want
to see me doing anything. You were good, and you
did it with some kind of a large drinking. You've
ever danced on this table, now's the time. All the
laughter indicates otherwise it is not the time. Big fan
always always thank you guys. This is fine. Thank you.
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That's awesome guy,
Episode three sixty three Crook and Chase, which I listened
to Crook and Chase my whole life. I mean as
a kid. They were the They were on the radio
every weekend. I would hear and then I would see
him on TV on tenn and you know, a lot
of months and months ago, Mike, we were like, let's
get Crook and Chase. And then when I saw a
pop up my calendar, I message talk about like more
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than anybody else. Very excited. Yeah, just because they just
they know it all. They have some great stories about
Johnny Cash and Shania Twain and Taylor Swift and they've
just been in it for a long time. And I
think some of people forget how famous they were in
country music because they had they had a national TV
show on all the country channels as well as the
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radio show. You know, so they were the face of
country music on a national level forever and obviously still are.
We wouldn't want to talk to him, I mean so,
but just a really great interview. And I can attest
that Charlie Chase his voice is like this even when
he's not on the air, he just has a very
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deep voice. But you know, they met back in three.
I don't even want to run it in the preview
because because I kind of find out some stuff during
the interview as well, which I thought was super cool.
It's also funny when I was like, do people think
you're married? Because you know, I probably did when I
was a kid like but and I didn't know why
because I didn't know who was Crook who was Chase
forever because I'd be like, I'm Crook, I'm Jason. I
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should have known by that, but I didn't. But episode
three sixty three, this is Crook and Chase, Lorianne Crook
and Charlie Chase, and it's just super cool for me.
I'm getting out a little bit my old school country
stelf thought that was this was really awesome, and I
hope you do too, so enjoy You don't, well, are
we gonna play any clips? Okay, your professionals, then you know, well,
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the the we're rolling. The issue is when people don't
wear headphones, as you guys will know, sometimes if then
have headphones on, they'll just talk. They'll talk from way
over here, and then you're like, no, I need you
to get close to the mind, you know, but with
you too, I need to learn things from you guys. Well, no, no, no,
you If you go back to the old Laughing Series
long time ago in a galaxy far far away, Gary
Owens used to hold his hand up like this, and
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it acts as a little bit of a you still do, Yeah,
I do. When we're doing our radio show, I do this.
You hold your but to me, that's like someone in
Iraq reporting in from like all right, I can hear
you chuck in this studio, like the whold. I would
do that when I did the NFL Draft because screaming
in my ear so I had to push the earpiece
in deeper so I could hear. I didn't know that
was an actual thing used for sound, right, It's just
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it just projects what you're saying back in. Yeah, it's
like picking up a ceashell and hearing the ocean. Try
you can hear your voice better. Oh, I was just
entering my ear by shoving up speaker in there. I
literally thought, that's what I was, like, I can't hear you, guys,
I'm shoving it in there, and don't you and don't
you see a lot of people don't realize that when
you're doing a live shot, like you're just talking about
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You've got an ear piece in there, and you've got
all these people talking with you. You're trying to keep
your thought together and at the same time they're saying,
all right now, when you finished this, I want you.
Who's going to tell you? Yeah, it's a weird. It's weird,
and I'm not great. I'm okay, too, pretty good. I
have some friends that are great at it, Like they
can hear a whole three conversations while doing a live shot.
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Me again, I just tried to shove it into you
because I couldn't. And it turns out I just didn't.
I couldn't process all the voices because it was out loud.
But the good thing about our job is we don't
really have to do at least I don't you guys
have to deal with anybody in your ear ever when
you're recording. Well, I mean we have, you know, producer,
owner ear usually, but this is where you know, you
separate the big boys from the bad producers. A good
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producer knows when to talk to you, and that's not
when you're talking. There was a clip of Casey Kyson.
Did you guys ever meet? Yes, he was on our show.
We did a cooking segment. He was a vegan and
he came on and made some kind of a soup
with spinach and dandelion greens and all sorts of things
(03:59):
that Charlie wouldn't eat. But it looked like the front
yard sticks and stones and yeah, he cooked all that.
You would need it. He wouldn't need it, you know,
isn't it? Isn't it a bit you didn't commit? What
do you do? You got on the front yard and graves?
I don't know. I don't give me a hamburger. It
was delicious. Did he talk like that in person? To like?
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Not so much? It's more pronounced on his There was
a clip of him where he's recording something and he's
he may have heard it, but he's like, I don't
want to do another set song into a set. He's
just going out right about the dog to get a dog. Yes,
I just wonder what clips of you two exists out
there that someone luckily threw away and they never got out.
(04:42):
Employees are prevented. Okay. So whenever we were having a
hard time with the show, technical difficulties or something was
going on, um, the director would play as loud as
he could over the speak gers in my ear, wild
cherry play, that funky music. I would immediately dart out
(05:09):
of my chair and I'm dancing, and it just brought
the whole show. Now, I think they recorded that. I
think somebody has commie. I'm glad you have it. Here's
the clip of it now and up on screen and
rest sure she's taking medication for that nice Yeah, I
love it. Isn't there a song that just makes you
cannot sit stale? Bobby? That's an interesting question. A song
that I just love and you have to get up.
(05:32):
There's this wild cherry play, that funky music. Do you
have one the twist? Just because of the fast beat. Yeah,
it's unbelieved. That song was number one and number one
in sixty three, same version or the same song. And
this is how old we are. We have actually done
the twist with Chubby really, so he came there, came
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on our show a couple of times. He was making
in Paris and Myrtle Beach. Remember we're doing the show
over there, and he showed up. He was doing a
one of the outlet, but he did Music City tonight.
Because every time we saw him, we always ended up
doing the twist together. So much fun. I guess I
just I don't the years start to be cloudy to me.
I don't consider you guys old enough to have been
with Chubby Checker. Not meaning you're old, but you're such
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a part of my adolescents, teenage years, early twenties, because
I just associate all the weekends from hearing you guys
all over the country wherever I was. Bobby, you're older
than you think. Oh, I am right. I think we're
getting for sure. Chubby was. Actually, and that's a very
interesting point you make. We were not like celebrating the
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first iteration of the twist. We were celebrating what some
twenty or thirtieth anniversary like that. That's much fairer than okay.
So it's coming back around as celebration of okay. That
makes me feel up, but even by myself. So you
got to be together forty years? Yes, coming up? We
started our forty year this month. Actually, anything for forty years,
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I mean I am forty two. Just I'm like, dang,
I've I'm doing pretty good just to be alive for
forty years, much less you guys, Wait a minute, you
were in diapers when we first started. I was, Yeah, too.
I guess you were on yourself. I still have no
and when you're still doing it, yeah, no, beginning in
middle all of that. So forty years ago you in
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what city did you guys actually start working together? Was
in Nashville? Yeah. So but when you say you're a
Myrtle Beach, were you doing some kind of show down there? Yeah?
We we would take the show on the road occasionally
and the big production, you know, we go over there
for the summer. Had on theater over there, the Crook
and Chase Theater, and you had a theater and Myrtle
Beach we did that is awesome. Was did you guys
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make so much money? No? Theater business is hard, but
I mean just to have a theater named after you,
someone had to go okay? Or did you guys just
do it yourself? Well? Okay. The Gatlin has had at
Larry Gatlin and the Gatlin brothers and my husband and
I bought it from them. So Brett Eldridge is one
of my best friends, and we've often talked about whenever
we're done, maybe people decide we should be done now
(08:16):
or twenty years we'll just go get a theater in
Branson and I'll do stand up and he'll do music,
and that'll be how we die, not doing the actual show.
But that's like, that's like the end of the concept. Hey,
the concept over there is quite quite good because it
gives artists who are I don't want to say fed up,
but tired of traveling the world to perform. They stay
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home and everybody comes to them. I think it's awesome.
It's a wonderful format. I was reading a little bit
about you guys, because I didn't know, and you place
correct me if I'm wrong, because the Internet is known
have been wrong once or twice. But you started in
television together before radio? Is that true? Or you want
a national television syndication before national radio syndication? Let me start.
I started radio in sixty six, but together together we started.
(09:01):
We did TV first and then radio evolved. Okay, so
I was right, But as far as as a team
now individually, Lorian, when did you start in radio? Not
until eighty nine. I started in television. Uh in, oh,
that's your your background, say, we're absolutely opposite. Charlie started
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in radio and morphed into television. I started in television
and then he dragged me into radio. What were you
doing in TV? Like, what was your speciality? A reporter
and anchor. I was a very terrible news reporter. Why
do you say terrible, because um, I am so. And
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this probably frightens Charlie about me. I could not cover
murders and accidents and things that happened to babies that
were bad, and I would just stand there on a
live shot and cry. And Uh. Finally the new star
called me and said, you know, maybe you belong in entertainment.
(10:04):
So I started doing a show called Pan Magazine, which
was kind of a syndicated thing at the time. So
I was doing it in Texas, but the pieces I
was doing, we're seeing around the country and that's how
I got noticed to come back to Nashville. And so
you're doing radio since the sixties? What you said? Right?
And you started a small station, I'm assuming in a
small town like everybody did w r G S Rogersville.
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Did you come out of the womb with a great voice. No, No,
it's honestly my dad and my brother. My dad was
in the produce business. My brother was a California Highway
patrolman and military Air Force police notice or anything. And
myself I got and I'm the only one got in radio.
We all sounded like which is kind of weird. Um,
(10:50):
But no, the unusual story is I did have kind
of a low tone everything in my voice when I
was like twelve and thirteen years old. And when I
first called my wife Karen, her dad hung up on
me because I was on the radio at and he
thought I was in some twenty one year old pervert
trying to call his kid, you know. So finally Karen
(11:10):
and I walked home together one time and he I
was introduced to him, so we got over that. It
must be in the thousands where people have thought that
you two are married because you've been coming for so long.
I mean, I'm assuming that's even normal that people just
think you're because Amy and I my co host on
the radio show and we do account down on the
weekend too. Forever, they thought we were together just because
we were together doing something professionally. So that's happened with
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you guys, I assume, Well, we have a stock answer
for that, don't we. And they asked if we've ever
considered dating one another? Okay, my stock answer is do
I look that stupid? I like that? And mine is
do I look that desperate? But we used that a
few times before, But now you want to hear something
really crazy about that. Years ago, at the height of
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tenn Charlie and I were basically ambassadors to the world
for teen in in and from Nashville, and so People
Magazine thought that they should come to Nashville and do
a story on us. Do you remember this? And so
I forgot her name. This lady she was one of
the famouite writers for It was very nice. Came to
each of our homes and interviewed us individually, and came
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down to our studio on the row and introduced us
to you know, photographers, and had all this going on.
She came back. Did she come back to your house?
She came to my house again twice, and so she
don't I need to come back and ask follow up questions?
And basically she told us that Charlie and I were
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so vanilla, that's the word she used, vanilla, that this
was not going to be an interesting People Magazine story.
And she was asking me, she goes, have you and
Charlie ever had an affair or ever stepped out of
just something that we can put in here. I said, no, no,
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they killed the story. They never did it after spending
days with us in Nashville. They killed the story because
we're vanilla and we didn't have controversy, we hadn't done
bad things. I can't believe they didn't just run it,
but maybe not take up as much of the page
to just kill it, because you did that. Guys have
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such a voice, meaning not your literal physical voices, but
for country music. I mean, you introduced me to so
many artists on t NN because I used to watch
That's what even when I was on when the opera
was on, my grandmother and I would watch all the time, right,
Not you guys so much then, because my grandmother didn't
much care for the new music, so she's kind of
tune it out when you guys are having it. But
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you were the to me. You were how I learned
as a kid, other than kissing ninety six. It was
what country music artists look like. That's what I got
from you guys. First time I was a little big
town was you guys like saw them on the face
and I was I remember sitting on my couch and
I think tornado had happened, and you guys were like
walking into a studio or something with them. I remember
watching the oh yeah, our studio got hit, and so
(14:05):
it was. I told them my credit YouTube for letting
me know they're better looking to me, and so I
never will let them off that. But I'm surprised with
you guys having such a voice that they cut that
story well. But we we did have a nice story.
And TV Guide remember that they were very I think
now it's just a digital space. Yeah, probably, And the
(14:27):
last time I saw it was like a larger publication
but used to be you know, but like yeah, likes
every Friday and Cable Ace Awards were nice to us.
We got what we want, entertainment news show over um
over what entertainment Tonight, over Larry King or something. It was.
It was wild. So we were, you know, yeah, and
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right now, if I'm not mistaken, I think we are
the as far as a national I think as the
longest do that's what you're gonna say. I looked it
up to I tried it forty years. I looked for
anybody that's been together, and it can not find any Nash.
It's hard to find anybody at all the time. And
then when she left, when she quit and Kelly Ripper
(15:08):
came in then that kind of yeah, catapulted us beyond
them in years again. Right then we were often compared
to John Tesh and Mary Heart on Entertainment Tonight, So
we were the country version of that. You know, I
think they're the A C version of you, because you
guys are the real deal. You've been in and I
mean that as people. Where you live in the country
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music world depended on you, and I can remember places
in my life where I was listening to you. Listen,
what do I know about John Tesh. I've heard them sometimes,
but I don't think people are going to go John
Tesh and Mary Heart Like I remember being in sixth
grade grade making out the first time to John Tesh.
That's I don't think that's happening anywhere if I'm being
on And also I didn't make on sixth grade. I
(15:53):
was just making up some stuff there. And the documentary though,
you guys are gonna have to almost break up a
couple of times. Yeah, meaning so it's like the docuseries
Crook and Chase seventy three and Lorianne wants to leave
and then it's you going. Yeah. I just thought I
looked at him and thought, you'd looking like this, We're
never gonna get any from there, like yeah, it did
it ever come? We're like one of your agents was like, okay,
(16:15):
it's time to take it out and go solo. I
guess what. We don't have agents ever ever. No, we
actually talked to each other and work stuff out. But
I mean with companies, right, you have to negotiate some
sort of like yeah, they contact us directly for things
like that, and we feel it's in our particular cases,
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not for everybody, but in our particular case, we are
hands on. We're the ones going to make the decision
on that. We're the one to get the initial feel
of what's being offered or whatever and whether we won't
do it, you know, Colonel and I passed a shirt
back and forth of you guys do we wear every
time we Honestly, I was gonna say, I'm a little
shocked and disheartened that you do not have my Crook
and Chase shirts, my motor cycle T shirt. He had
(17:03):
the one that you know, I have your two heads. Yeah,
the book cover and I wear it all the time,
and I wear it until I see Cole and then
I give it back. To him that he wears it
till he sees me, and we passed the crooked We
both love you guys so much. Wearing a church or something,
you know, you know it smells a little yeah, now
that you mentioned it a bit. No, I have a
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There is a T shirt of me on my Harley
Davidson wearing short shorts. I don't know why I even
did that, but if I find one, I'm sending you one.
Do you have Do you guys have old merch still
around the house? And yes, I have like plastic tubs
full of it. I was talking to Ronnie Dunn, and
Ronnie and I have become friends. It's one of my
(17:48):
favorite out of nowhere friendships, honestly because I just everyone was.
They would be like, Okay, look and I love Brooks
and Dunn, like just listening before I ever had a
chance to even get in in this world. Who doesn't
love Brooks and Done? If you grow up on country music, right,
and so they would say, Okay, here's the deal, you're
gonna meet kicks. He's the nicest guy ever. Ronnie a
little prickly, That's what they would say. That they would say,
(18:10):
like yeah, they'd be like a little prickly little. He's tough,
he's smart, Alex tough, he goes. So it's it's hard
when you first meet him. And so I'm like, all right,
So the first time I ever played the operay, Kicks
was playing. He was doing something to himself when he
came in. You know because at the operated door stay
open unless you're literally changing the door, stay open. It
Kicks comes down, nicest guy, big, just hey, super when performed.
Still never met Ronnie, and I'm like, I never want
(18:32):
to meet Ronnie. They got prickly, you know, prickly and
prickly Ronnie. I'm just gonna meet Kicks and feel good
about it. And I'm I ran into Ronnie once. I
was doing some comedy for Reba at her her event
and DC the the Kennedy Center Honors. Yeah, and Ronnie
was in the audience and he's like, hey, what's up
(18:53):
because my wife watch you and dancing on Stars. And
I was like, cool, nice to meet you. I'm thinking
I couldn't get the out prick. And then we did
some picture stuff together and he's like, well, you text
wet Ronnie's awesome. Did you tell him that you thought
he was prickly. I told him everybody all thought he
was prickly. Yeah, I just I'm telling him. I was
just like, people said we'd never be friends, and he said,
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they said the same thing about you, and I was like, well,
trying to figure out what we do if we see
Cold Swindell wearing our shirts? Ron to figure out some
My point was, Ronnie said him when him and Kicks
broke up, they had to decide who got the merch
and Kicks out all the march and he's like really,
He's like, it's all on Kicks his warehouse because we
had to split stuff up. Ronnie get the hot air
balloon or something did, and he puts it up in
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his yard sometimes. Isn't that crazy? That's funny, That's right.
I love it, great memory. I want to go for
a ride. Yeah, just drive by and if you see
the Brooks and Dun balloon in someone's a yard. I
want to go over to Charlie's house and like drop
rotten tomatoes and stuff. You know. Okay, I've got touched
up on something here that's been bothering me. I don't
(19:57):
know what Nashville traffic. Okay, now, I think we said
over a couple of things. Hey, let's talk about this,
but I want to bring this up. Not a day
goes by that I'm behind somebody. The light turns green
and they sit there, and I love the way that
State Tennessee refers to it. They had their head in
their app okay, and they're not moving, And not a
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day has gone by in the past two weeks. And
I'm serious about this. I'm not lying. I've had to
the horn. As long as you're that's okay, right, because
I think so if you do, that's that's coming out
with guns. No, no, no, no, it's just like, yep,
that's the mean. We had a discussion on what is
that if you pull out in front of somebody in
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this town, which is just like a sport, if you
pull out in front of somebody accidentally or cut them
off accidentally or whatever, what is the proper wave to
let them know you're sorry? I got I just put
my hands in front of my face, like both hands,
you're driving, okay out And I suggested just a slight wave,
(21:03):
use all fingers, but just a slight wave that looks floppy,
looks like you're flopping a little. Yeah, I do. Sorry,
I'm like, sorry, they don't see it, did you, guys?
Because you've been in Nashville for so long, have you
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ever met Johnny Cash? Oh my god. I went shopping
for hair spray with Johnny Cash once. What's the story
that led to you going with him to get hair spray?
It was late at night. It was Kroger twenty four.
I needed hair spray for whatever we were doing the
next day. And I ran in there and there was
the man in black standing in front of the what's
(21:44):
it called? The UK was something that he and Marty
Stewart bought, aquad Finished or some there it is. Yeah,
So Johnny Cash and I are standing there just kind
of laughing and talking about which hair spray we're going
to get. There are so many things down packed. Johnny
Marty bought akway Net the brand. I think Marty might
still use it if it's around Wow. And then he
(22:07):
was just hanging it was was he recognizable? Yeah? Yeah,
that was back when nobody went to the store that
light at night except Johnny Cash and somebody who needs
hair spray late night. People like that, You're usually not bothered.
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People are respectful of what they do. They realize this
is an entertainment center and see stars all the time.
I don't know. I think starting to change a little
bit again for the worst. I think it depends where
where you go. If you go to a real touristy
place where people kind of don't know the rules, then
it gets a little ugly. So you're just gonna have
(22:49):
to pick your because I don't think it was. You
can tell me if I'm wrong. I don't think it
was as like a bachelor at touristy, not even years
and this the city has changed. It's grown, It's grown
really fast and because of the influx of people. Um,
I like to I always like to say this has
small town charm, but it's a big city. Was a
(23:10):
small town charm, but it's changing. Yeah, is that your
only Johnny Cash experience? Oh you do have a lot.
Oh here's on our show numerous times. Did you like him?
Loved him? You know what surprised me a lot. He
he helped us actually do a surprise tribute show to
(23:31):
the Statler Brothers. You know, he helped get the Staller
Brothers started, and the Statlers didn't know Johnny was going
to be there, and um, Johnny was going to jump
in and sing with them and surprise them on some
gospel numbers and back stag. Well, I remember, I think
this actually happened, Charlie on the air. Backstage, Johnny Cash
was pacing back and forth, and he was sweating, and
(23:52):
even when he got on set with us, he still
had just some perspiration on his face, and I don't
know if I kind of wiped it off or whatever,
but he admitted that he was nervous. He was still
after all of his superstardom, his world travel, getting on
a set in front of cameras on live TV, especially
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in this sort of a surprise situation, we're all by
the seat of our pants. He admitted he was nervous.
It's wild that someone who had done so much still
felt like we feel sometimes. He was a funny guy though.
He was on the show one time and we have
a segment of audience questions where the crowd would actually
fill out questions and pass them to our producers and
they pick the one out and send it to us,
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and one of them said, Mr Cash, you al was
wearing black. Do you wear black underwear? In his response
on camera, live on TV, was I don't wear underwear,
so now we know. I had Hank Jr. In a
couple of months ago, and he was a handful. I mean,
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he was a he was a handful, and I don't
I don't know if it's because he's gotten He wanted
to smoke a cigar inside and we can't. We can't
do It's not my building. I don't make the rules.
And then so then he just wanted to get out,
and it was he was a handful, and it was
really cool to have him in. But was he a
handful back then? Oh? Yeah? But I mean he was
always very nice to me because I met him kind
(25:22):
of as a cup reporter early in my career, and
my first encounter was asking if I could go to
his home in Paris, Tennessee and do like a big
documentary with him. And so, uh, I don't know how
much of this I should tell. That means all, I
remember most of it. Some of it I'm not going
(25:44):
to tell, but I will say. So I got there
and I needed a place to touch up, and so
he sent me to his bedroom where there was still
a young lady there in the bed. Okay, I thought
you were going to delete that keep that no one
was surprised that. We were all like, okay, okay, that's fine, yeah, okay, fine.
(26:07):
So I go into the bathroom and the toilet seat
is that rolling stuff with that rolling stones, the tongue
thing is is the toilet seat And there are things
that I can't tell you about that sitting on the
stink um. But anyway, I was just I felt like,
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oh my god, what have I gotten myself into. This
was the beginning of the day with him. But I
have to tell you he was the nicest guy. He
took me out, he had a little canoe, he taught
me how to fish on his pond. We had just
the greatest talk about his life and how at one
point he just wanted to die. And we had such
(26:49):
a great time that he then later on invited me
out to uh Montana where he had a place out there,
and UH got some more great footage out there. So
he and I became really good friends. He what wrote
me a note one time, uh which was very dear
to my heart, because he said most reporters came and
just tried to get trash on him. And he signed
(27:11):
a picture for me that said, dear Lorianne, thank you
for making me look good. I love your friend. That's awesome.
And he was nice with us, but he just wanted
to get out. He was a handful, like all right,
let's go to no patience And had you said you
went to his house and it was pristine and it
was clean, and there was only the Bible. I mean, like,
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that's not that's not the hak I know, that's not
the that's not the hang On brand. But that's funny.
He had the rolling stone toilet and I want to
go one of those now, the big tongue. Yeah, I
didn't use the bathroom all day. Yeah, I would have
probably had to try to go there though. And that
one's just because that's where it was. What about an
early young Garth? What was a young Garth like? So
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don't you when we first met him, we had not
seen him on stage and this guy walked out on
our set. We had, you know, kind of a live
situation where we sort of met people briefly backstage. I'm
not even sure we got his name right where we
call him Garp or Garth. We've never heard it right,
(28:16):
We've never heard Garth before. I could not believe how
soft spoken, very gentlemanly. I mean we're about the same age.
But he called me ma'am. And I thought to myself,
and I don't know, Charlie, if you and I had
a conversation about this or not. I thought, how is
this guy ever got to make it in music? He's
(28:36):
not outgoing enough. Little did we know that he's a
maniac on stage? Yeah? Whoa? Was he super kind? Was
his reputation? Because now it is. And I've been lucky
enough to get to know him on a personal level
a little bit. Do things professional with him? Was he
super kind then? Too? Always? Always? And um? I recall
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one time he was doing Music City Tonight with us
on t N and and I had some friends in
from my hometown of Rogersville, Uh, Mavis Mall and she
was kind of like my second mom up there and
she was backstage. And after the show, Garth's on his
way out and he spots her and he sort of
figured he put two and two together and said, are
(29:22):
you Mall? And she said, well, yes I am. And
he took his hat off and shook his shook her
hand and said all sorts of pleasant things, And that
was the biggest thrill in the world for her. And
you know, when Garth first started out, he signed with
Capital and Jimmy Bowen, who was the guy who headed
up the label at that point, was one who signed him.
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And I'm playing golf with Bowen and this is about
the time Garth is really starting to explode. And Jimmy
just kind of laughed when he was telling the story
about Garth. He said, I said, well, how Garth do
last year? And how's he gonna do this year? He
said he went from making dollars a year doing the clubs,
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and then he mentioned some astronomical number like seven figures overnight.
And the thing is that Garthur is genuine. He's very sincere,
he's kind. All that you see, that's him. But he's
no pushover either. No. No, I've done a couple of
business things with him where we did some specials together
(30:29):
and partnered our two companies. And he knows what he wants,
he knows how he wants it to be and how
he doesn't want it to be. And um, he respected
my opinions. But he's very professional to work with. But
it's really interesting because you would think that, oh, maybe
he's so soft spoken that people could take advantage of him. No,
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he's very very smart. You know, the one thing I've
always wondered about these megatours that he's on. You know,
it was finished up in fishing up in Ireland and
all the stadium tour is and everything. How hands on
is he on a daily basis on something that gigantic.
He's gonna have some lieutenants, you know. But but knowing Garth,
he's on everything that's going on. I think Sincere is
(31:13):
I've always searched for that perfect word. I mean, he's
so sincere, so so so sincere all the time that
you start to go, wait, is this real? But then
after he spent even more time with him, like yeah,
it's real, because he's never not. But he's also told
me he's there's three guards. There's Gartha businessman, There's Garth
the entertainer, There's Garth the person, and they all are
very different. And so Gartha businessman, I don't know that
(31:35):
I want to get mixed up with anyway. We're on
against him. Gartha person. Awesome, you know we were. I
love to hear those stories because Garth had called and said, hey,
come open up. I played razorback stadiums like seventy five people.
He said, come open up. Um, we'd love to have
you performed before I come on, he said to me.
And I was like, okay, that's a little weird about it,
but I said, okay, we'd love to because I'm in
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a comedy music group and we played big shows, but
not like that where it's also maybe I don't know
who we are. People come to a theater and watch this,
but seventy people who don't know what's going on. They're
like these guys like the Weirdo Wiggles or something. You know.
That's what we thought. The guards like, you gotta come
to us. So we go and we show up and
Garth is there at sound check and it's like, hey man,
I'm gonna talk to you for a second. And I
(32:15):
was like, what's up? And he said, you can have
the whole stage. It's a whole round, and most headliners
don't allow the opener to have the whole stage, especially
one around. And then he goes, play as long as
you want, and I was like, wait, you don't want that.
He goes, how long is you're supposed to play? US
aid thirty five, he goes fifty sixty, She goes to
go over sixty. I'm coming out, he goes, she goes,
I'll stop you. But we only have six songs, so
(32:39):
just awesome. What about Taylor Taylor Swift? Oh my god,
remember the first time we've got to see we've got
the audio is there somewhere. Well, let me just jump
in here real fast, because we got a phone call
from our friend. And I don't think it was Scott
Burschetta himself. That's some assistant just with just just a
few doors down from us. And of course everything I'm
music grow every your doors are locked for obvious reasons.
(33:03):
And they said, in a few minutes, your doorbell at
your studio was going to ring. Just open the door. Yeah,
So we went down there and opened the door and
it was this beautiful blonde young lady with a guitar.
Thinks she was fourteen, and she wandered up and we
let her in. Yeah, she wandered up in the studio
(33:23):
based on that phone call, okay, and just as sweet
as she can be. And we we said, we talked
about her being in high school at this point writing
some songs, and she said, I've just written a couple
of songs. I'd love to play him for you. Sure,
So she reached it down and brings up her guitar
and fires up what became I guess her first two
(33:44):
number ones tim and tear drops on my rush on
my guitar. She performed both right there, just because she's
in tears. I was sitting there crying this girl, fourteen
year old girl I had just met, because what she
was thinking about reminded me of being in June. You're
high and having a first love or whatever. She had
me in tears the first time we met. Pretty cool.
(34:06):
That's yeah, that's an awesome story to have, and that
you let her in. I don't think I'm letting anybody
in a musical knocking on the door, even if somebody
says let him in. I'm like, I mean, well, listen,
that was gosh, I mean years ago, was that? I
mean things have changed a little bit more since then,
but uh yeah, we that was based on people that
we know and work with, business knowledge. Why not lorian
(34:29):
and Charlie? Is that a crooking chase? Like? What was
that conversation? I don't think we ever considered Lorianne and
Ring to it. It does the literations good. You just
don't know who's who. Just by the last names. I'd
be like, which one I know because I know you too,
But if I just were hearing you on the radio,
(34:49):
Crooked and Chase, they both could be either. Yeah. Well,
And the reason it isn't Chasing Crook it's because think
about it, if you say it fast enough, chasing Crook,
it sounds like a cop show, something chasing like chasing. Yeah.
So it was Crook and Chase and uh, and I
don't know what were we compying some other show that
had last names at that time, or maybe we were
(35:09):
trying to be different, would be different Crook and Chase.
I saw you got another cm A nomination. Yes, thank you,
even forty years later. And likewise, sir, oh listen, I
don't get to do what I do if you guys
don't do what you do for many, many years. So
it's like, I know that I get to be on
the shoulders of the grades, but it's you know, Tim
(35:31):
McGraw as an example, or Kenney, Chesney, even Garth to
be able to do something at a high level for
so long, because this is not the c m as
of people who used to be awesome. This is the
people who are awesome right now. And you're nominated, You're
you're nominated again. Now I would just think that it's
like still so cool to everything when it comes out,
you're just there again. Well can I tell you why
(35:52):
it's so cool? And you're just gonna think that we
are such idiots? For how long, Charlie did we not
submit to be considered for broadcast awards because we didn't
know you were supposed to. We just thought there's this
you know, large body, how many six seven six, I
(36:13):
guess thousand people in the c m A And we
just thought that they all voted and just maybe they
didn't think we were very good, and we were probably
like how many, like ten years into our radio career
before somebody said, I guess we went to c m
A party or something and somebody said, how can you
guys never submit? You know, you're great on the radio,
(36:34):
supposed to do that, and we had no agents there
you go, You would think you guys would have so
many more. We we did not know that we were
supposed to do that, and we felt funny. Even now
we kind of feel funny, and so we try to
have people that work with us. Well, you write this
about you know, you tell us what we should submit.
(36:57):
We can't brag on ourselves. Really, well, I can brag
on you be doing the whole show. Well you're kind
to say that, but seriously, if we sit out and
we'll we'll con confer about this. That's a little bit.
It's a little bit too self centered, you know, and
stuff like that. I don't like. Yeah, but Thursdays, darned, Charlie.
You have to know. Yeah, I tell him. I tell
(37:19):
him I don't want to see it because it makes
me uncomfortable. But make it as self centered as possible.
I don't want to know, but I make it. So.
I saw that you guys did on that Shania Netflix documentary.
You know you were in it from back back. I
don't know how long. Okay, So what was Shania like
(37:42):
when she came to town? Oh? She was. She was
a regular on our Music City Tonight show. To begin with,
I think what was the first single or no, wait
a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, even before
Music City Tonight, because it wasn't she on Mercury and
she had her first album out and she came on
our and perform That's what that was. And then in
between that and all the major hits, she was a
(38:05):
regular performer on Music City Tonight, where she would do
cover songs. Okay, she was great, just absolutely gorgeous as
you could know. Um, and she I recall being in
the dressing room, you know, and everybody's getting all made
up and everything for the show, and she's just sitting
back here in one of those director's chairs, like, hey, hoy,
y'all doing you know, one of those kind of things.
This is just a sweetheart. And then suddenly after meeting Mutt,
(38:31):
things exploded. She became a worldwide phenomenon. Few quick to
you guys too. Yeah, and I'll tell you what was
fun where she did her world tour and she was
a bridge stone arena. And I love telling this story again,
talk about self. Here it comes. Um, we're probably twelve
rows in the stage, you know. Should I had set
(38:51):
us up with some tickets, okay, business thing. So I'm
there with the family and all that. We're enjoying the show.
And she was. She's great, and she looks down in
the audience and writing a little songs. Just I see you,
Charlie Chase, And of course in front of me are
Frank Wycheck of the Tennessee Titans and Aldel Grico and
(39:14):
they both turned around and said, well, your stock just
win up. And yeah, I know. Did it get weird
when her fame became international? Meaning did were you seeing
international situation where people coming into town? I don't know.
It just she got so big in so many countries,
(39:35):
more so than maybe except for Garth, maybe more than Garth.
I don't know. I just feel like she's been the
most famous country musicals we've ever had. Oh my gosh.
I mean she traveled the world, I believe on one
of her later albums with Mutt, they traveled around the
world and recorded uh in like in India and I
don't know, different places, Nepal, I don't know, um, but yeah,
(39:58):
you know what's so funny prior to meeting Mutt that
that was just a big turn in her life. And
she would even tell you that, but she would be
talking to us backstage, and I thought it was so interesting.
She goes, I just don't even know if I if
I fit in this town. You know, there were writing
appointments and you had to be a certain place at
(40:19):
a certain time and write with this person and that person.
And she goes, I'm like, I'm a little loose for this,
she has to be inspired. I think that's why she
and Mutt clicked because he allowed her too. And I
guess what Mutt does. He allows people to be the
artist that they want to be. But he's so private.
I remember she disappeared from Music City Tonight for several
(40:42):
weeks and when she came back, she was married and
she brought a picture of her wedding but it was
cut in half. Prophetic maybe, but Mutt wasn't in it.
I was like, well, wait a minute, where's your husband,
because I didn't know who Mutt lying was at the time,
and she goes, oh, well, he's really private and I
can't show his picture around. But she wanted us to
see her in her wedding dress on her wedding day.
(41:03):
But it was I don't think she was with our
show more than a few months after that because she
and much just I get one of my pictures, told
her to insert it right there, and she cut you
out of it. Yeah, an individual answer from both of you,
and Lorien, I'll start with you. If I say you
know you're gonna interview this person, it's gonna be a
(41:24):
great interview because they just are great on the microphone.
Who's a great interview? There are so many, but you
gotta give me one who's bad. I'm not saying it's
bad because okay, I will tell you mine to give
you thoughts on this. I know and again, much like you,
guys have been fortunate enough to forge relationships with certain
(41:45):
people in this town to some of them happen to
be artists. And one of my friends is Jake Owen,
who I know he's going to nail it on air
because he just has something. He's all. He comes in prepared.
He will go wherever I take or I'll let him
take me somewhere. We just have that relationship where I
know Jake is coming in it's going to be a
killer interview regardless. So if I were to put that
(42:07):
on you Lorian classic artist or current does let's go
classic classic you can do each if you want. We
can do the categories well okay, okay. Barbara Mandrell flat out,
we'll tell you the truth about anything. I love that.
And Reba, she and Reba. Yeah, Reba's awesome. She'll just
she was always like that. Yeah, because I don't know
(42:29):
if it's Reban now because she's Reba, because she will
just say it. I'll take that back. And when I
first interviewed her in three, I believe it was she
was still trying to get a feel. Yeah, the field
of the vine's a little timid at first. I guess
that's a good word. But boy, now she'll tell you whatever.
(42:52):
You love it, Yes, I love it. She'd be up
there too, as far as I just don't get to
interview her as much anymore. Um, because she's rebound. She
does whatever she wants. And but okay, so we're gonna
do Barbara Mandreau and then who would be current? Current are?
Oh god, Charlie. Who do we break into giggles about
so many? I will tell you, brothers Osborne, brothers Osborne.
(43:15):
For whatever reason, we just start off the rails and
we never get back on, and we just laugh a lot.
I love that. Good guys, good guys. Al Dean is funny.
Al Deane is a man. Well, it's because Charlie and
al Dean are naughty little boys, and when they get together,
I cannot, I can't keep it together on the show. Well,
(43:38):
we start out and giving him some crap to begin with,
and then it slowly just talking about tongue toilet, seats
and then you you're rolling sound toilets were not not
exactly that. But I'll tell you I like Trisia your wood.
She goes back to what you were saying in a
moment ago. You bring it, just throw it out there.
She'll go with you wherever you want to go. She's
so funny. And Justin Moore, I just did an interview
(44:02):
with him. He's on his mind, he's out of his mind.
You know, he's another Arkansas boy. So you just tell
me the other day, uh, you know, we're a woman
your love of course a big hit song and all that,
and he's talking about I said, well, what have you
had to do? What consessions have you had to make?
You will I've learned? He said, you know, I don't
(44:24):
like cats. And she brought home a damn cat and
I love that cat. It sleeps into bed. The cat
sleeps in the bed with me. And he just just
turned and walked away. And he's a good guy. So
you guys were inducted into the Country's a Call of
Fame radio. Yeah, that's awesome. So when you get that call,
(44:47):
how long was that? Okay? So that's I mean, that's
you just have I didn't know which acclam bounce with
you guys, I don't know which act like to focus on,
But I just like to talk to you guys, but
also want to share with our younger because we get
about a million people in the episode listen to this thing,
and so maybe some of our younger audience they're only
listening to stuff like streaming music and podcasts, and so
(45:10):
I was like, I want to really focus on a
couple of the but there's so many I didn't know
what to focus on. So we've spent some of this time.
We could do a whole podcast on just all the
cool things you guys have done. And that's one of
them in the country music the Country Radio Hall of Fame.
And so when you who calls and tells you that
or what's that? Yeah? Well Bill called me yeah, and
(45:31):
he basically I was at my desk and I picked
up the phone and uh, Bill Main and uh. He
asked me what I was doing on a certain date.
And usually that means people want you to come and
present or be on the board or whatever. And so
I was a little cautious because I don't want to
immediately commit to something that I don't know about him
my crazy schedule, and so I was kind of like, well,
(45:54):
what's the day. What are we talking about? And he says,
because you are going to be inducted into the Country
Radio Hall of Fame. And I swear to you I'm
gonna back up all he heard over there. I swear
I screamed that loud for about five minutes. I watched
a horror movie last night. It sounded just like uh
(46:18):
oh No. Bill called me as well, and he just said, uh,
you know he I knew who he was. I didn't
know why he was calling, though, because he's the country
radio broadcaster at CRB, and I figured, hey, wants us
to do something. He said, well, you're going down the
Hall of Fame. I said, are you sure? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
And I was very pleased to hear that. Charlie, Well,
(46:39):
I'm not going to do what you did, but I
did something similar. I got, I got off the phone
and did okay, And no one. I don't think anyone
is more deserving than you, guys, but allow me to
be slightly offended that you weren't in years your years
earlier than that. I'm gonna be honest with you because
we don't see but that's about we hit on before.
(47:00):
We are so crazy. We are just so focused on
the next show and doing the next thing. We we
don't sit around and and and I guess we should,
but we don't figure out what award we want or um.
I don't even know how you get voted on are
(47:20):
nominated for these things. So I think maybe that's just
one of our weaknesses as as people in the business,
is that we we just have to get more self
promotion oriented some more people know about Probably our focus
has always been on day to day. On eBay, right now,
(47:42):
you can get a Crook and Chase Country Gold trading
card autographed. No, how much do you think that card
goes for cents? Well, you'll be shot? Could you've been
making three dollars and ten cents if one of those
non autographed? Though? If your autograph at least three d
is there a make an offer on there? Um by
(48:03):
it now? Yeah, we will sell it to you for
two dollars. Okay, you know what you got it. So
but Charlie, you know you have the go tee now
kind of the beard into the gotee just the must
When did when did you make the decision to go
from the single Mustache two more five years ago. I
have no idea why. I do recall when I first
started growing this beard and Charlie Daniels was coming by.
(48:26):
The late Charlie Daniels was coming by a studio and
he walked and he looked at me, said, I've been
growing up. I guess about a month. He said, are
you growing a beard? Yeah? He said, it's going to
be what going by. I became popular. Thomas grew a beard. Yeah,
And then everybody started growing a beard during the pandemic
(48:48):
and I kept it. So I started, this is a
pre pandemic beard. But yeah, I thought I'd tried, who's
your favorite artist of all time? Led Zeppelin? Mm hmmm.
I'm just I'm going to base this on just experience
and go into the shows and my youth and everything else.
The Rolling Stones, I know, tolet SA you could get
(49:11):
I know I do. I do have the shirt autographed
by Mick Jaggers. Thank you very much. Yes. As a
matter of fact, we saw the Stones. Karen and I
and my wife Karen and I saw the Rolling Stones
in Knoxville in nineteen seventy two, and there was the
tumbling dice to her, I guess it was yeah, and
(49:36):
we looked up and we didn't know this. It wasn't advertised.
But here comes the opening act. It was Stevie Wonder.
So here's Stevie Wonder coming on with the Sweet Inspirations
his backup group. One of the Sweet Inspirations was his
sister was in the group and they were doing a
condoline that's how they got him from one place to another,
(49:56):
you know, on stage. And then the Stones came out
and that was when they were comparing the loudness of
Rolling Stone concert to standing behind a jet engine. That
was a big deal back then. And we saw that
the tickets were six dollars and fifty cents. You can
get two trading cards for that price. Make an offer.
(50:17):
I'm just telling you. Do you want to do you
want to hear my pathetic led Zeppelin story? I was
to ask? So, first of all, they were the reason
that in high school I was grounded for an entire
summer because they came to Birmingham, Alabama, and my boyfriend
and I, without telling my parents, we went to see
at that point and I didn't get home till one
(50:38):
or two in the morning, so I got grounded. The
whole summer fast forward to I don't know when did
Robert Plant start working with Alison Krause. This is how
much I love Robert Plant. I had the opportunity in
a little hole way to meet him and shake his
hand like Charlie did. And I got about as far
(51:00):
to him as you are to me, Bobby, and I
turned around and ran out of the building, ran to
the elevator. I love this man and his artistry and
his voice so much. I did not have the guts
to meet him, and I still haven't. I chatted him up. Really,
what can I go back? I'm going to go back.
(51:21):
I need to amend my insurgence a little bit. There
are two number one artists for me. I mentioned the
Stones and the Beatles. Do you ever see him? Uh?
I see to him, saw McCartney. I never saw him
as a group. McCartney and Ringo. I saw Ringo down
at the Rhyman recently with his all star band. He
was incredibly good buying hair spray. You know, I don't know.
(51:43):
This man just turned eighty years old and he was
all over the place. Yeah he's eighty. Yeah, let me
ask you. And we're getting close to into this. We
almost an hour with you, guys. I'm just I'm just
grateful for your time. Were you worried about going up
to Robert Plant the whole time or did it just
hit you like I need to go? Like what because
you're going up to him? Can you walk me through that? Well?
(52:08):
The only reason I was going toward him was because
he and Allison were leaving the studio where they were working,
and I had Charlie and I had to walk toward
them and buy them to get to the studio where
we were working. And I just I don't even know
what I'm afraid of. I think I would just probably
act like an idiot or I just start crying. I
(52:30):
love you. I just didn't want to be an idiot.
It was part of it that you didn't want him
to not be nice, so you didn't want to have
to love him less. Maybe maybe I've made those decisions. Yeah, yeah,
where it's like, I'm such a big fan, I just
don't even want to risk not loving your arts. If
that happens, you could we can use anybody's singer, and
(52:56):
we use anybody as anyone. Go up to Plant and
go hold on love and play some wild cherry and
I'll dance. I'll be your dancer. Let me say to
you too. I I've been looking forward to this for
weeks and weeks when I saw pop up on my
calendar because I told my god, we have like a
dream list of people that we want personally, and you
(53:19):
know we could really I mean, people come by, urban
cup drives up, comes over, and everybody comes by. But
when it was like our dream list, it's people that
personally like have mattered to us, I said, man, I
would love to get you too, and it popped up.
He didn't tell me, he just popped from my calendar
and I screenshot it and sent it back and I
said him with it with a fist emoji, going, that's awesome.
You didn't go. I did not. I did not. I'm disappointed.
(53:43):
But when you guys walked in, instead of going up
and saying hello, almost ran away, but I kept myself.
I sat here and I'm glad I did. And then
he went, because you're awesome. The congratulations on not just
an excellent career, but the sustain success like they're completely independent.
Congratulations on such a noteworthy and even to someone as
(54:08):
a fan myself, it has impacted me in many ways.
So it just selfishly personally, I say thank you, but
also it's like you've sustained it where you're still relevant
after forty years together, and that itself is just hopefully
to you guys, like a treasure that you're able to
stay together and keep doing it. It's a lot of fun.
We we consider ourselves family, we're close friends. We've been
(54:31):
through a lot together as friends and business partners and things,
and it's, uh, it's good and it's by the grace
of God. Yeah, let's just say it. You know, it's
one of those things you can't plan it, and uh,
if it happens this way, it's it's a god thing.
And you can follow Charlie on TikTok. You have to
just go over and can you imagine you're dancing on
the tto. You're gonna buy the car. The car we've
(54:54):
seen Bobby boing it to get up. You don't want
to see me doing anything. You were good, and you
did it with some kind of a large drinking. You've
ever danced on this table, now's the time. All the
laughter indicates otherwise it is not the time. Big fan
always always thank you guys. This is fine. Thank you.
(55:15):
That's awesome guy,
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