#396 - Meghan Patrick on Turning to Music After A Serious Snowboarding Accident + How She Met Mitchell Tenpenny and How They Navigate Marriage Both Being Artists + The Hardest Thing About Managing Her - Bobbycast

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
I called my parents and I was like, I know
that this is going to bum you out, and I'm
really sorry, but I know what I want to do.
And at that point, you know, I was working part time,
I was in classes, and I was trying to play
shows every weekend. I was like, I can't do all
these things anymore, and I just don't need a degree.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Episode three ninety six is with Meghan Patrick. I will
tell you I did not expect her what's the word
I can use. I think I do use soft. I
expected her to punch me in the stomach when she
walked in and walked out, just because she has a
very strong present. It's our pictures and our music. Sometimes

(00:44):
it's like, hey, dudes, kiss my butt, suck it, you
know what I mean. I love her style of music
and I think she's awesome, but like I liked, like
I just wanted to give her a hug when it
was over. I don't know, it just wasn't And I
mean this in the best possible way. I wasn't intimidated
after about three or four minutes of the interview, meaning

(01:07):
I like, totally respect her music and love her music
and love what she represents, but also I don't know.
She's just so much. There's so much different types of
depth with her. Yea, did you feel the same way. Yeah.
He has lived in a lot of different lives, four lives.
Competitive gymnasts too. Uh. She was like training to be
a ski jumper I don't even know the thing is,

(01:29):
and just so good at everything she does, like a
crazy good athlete. Also how open she was about her
past relationships and how that affected her music. And you
know she just got married to Mitchell Tinpenny pretty recently.
I don't know, I just left really liking her. I
tried not to like people after these because then I'm like,
I really liked them. I should I should really help

(01:51):
them out. I'm gonna feel bad, Oh I see, yeah,
because then I get like two attached, just like going
to the shelter and seeing a puppy and you're like, oh,
I got a doctor at it, Like I feel like
this plays as the shelter and so I gotta be careful.
But man, it's with her. It was tough because she
was just so freaking cool. So her name is Megan Patrick.
I'll say this. You want to see what she looks
like as we do this at Meghan Patrick music, but

(02:13):
Megan is Emmy g h A N. Patrick Music. I'm
gonna play a couple of hooks from her new EP,
This is Greatest Show on Dirt.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
Sony's good now I can say.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
So waish and the one that I addressed later, I'm like, dang,
that is good. Red Roses and red flags, man, that's
still so good. That, like that concept is so cool.
So she's currently working on a full length album that

(02:48):
you know that that's what's up. We talked about the
dates and making sure that I didn't forget anything while
we were doing it that I should do now. You know.
She was raised in Canada, you know, and a lot
of the Canadian artists don't really like to talk about
being from Canada because it makes him feel as I've
been told, like people don't accept it as much. But

(03:08):
she's just like, I'm from Canada, what's up? Like that
is what everybody's from somewhere, and like I like that.
Keith Urbans from New Zealand, Australia, Yeah, one of them,
maybe both, but really Australia. Later on, right, he born
in New Zealand. Yeah, so she dropped out of school,
which we talked about bluegrass group. Is there anything she
got married to Mitchell Tenpenny follow twenty twenty two. I

(03:31):
feel like we did a doll. I had a great
time here Meghan Patrick And I'll say this too. Coming
up soon a guy that I follow on TikTok that
just does a lot of music like stories and he
starts it off and he's like, it was a story
about a kid who had a hat, and then you
kind of follow along and at the end he reveals
that it was Animal from the Muppets and his band

(03:51):
or whoever it was, right, So he's coming on too,
and you know, and with Meghan loved it. But I
just want to give you guys a little teas on
that situation because he's all music. He didn't want about
Third Eye Blind because Stephen Jenkins was a rapper. Do
you watch that one watch? It was like started in
a rap group and I was like, dang, that's crazy.

(04:12):
So Patrick Kicks is the name He'll be coming up soon.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
So Megan Patrick Kicks.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
They do that in Will of Fortune where they're like
the first before and after. Yeah, like that. I just
got asked if I wanted to be on celebrity Will
of Fortune Oh, that's awesome. You get to do it.
I don't know. I just talked about it on the
show and get all their opinions and then do the
opposite of what they say. Megan Patrick here she is.
Follow her. It is a Bobby Cast, and please follow
us at Bobby Cast or at the Bobby Cast, depending

(04:38):
on whatever social media platform you're on. That's it. Away
we go. So I'll tell the story to Mike. I
guess was this weekend I saw you? Yeah, Sunday, so
went into Rumble and I was by myself. I don't
think my wife was with me.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
Now you were by yourself.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yeah. So I went up to work out and I'm
doing I'm taking, you know, my sweatshirt off and put
my glasses and the thing and and somebody goes, hey, Bobby.
I was like, huh, I can't. I don't know who
it is. And so I'm like, what's up. She goes, hey,
I'm gonna I'm gonna be on your podcast. And I'm like,
because sometimes people will come out to me on your

(05:19):
show one day and I'm always.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Like, that's awesome manifesting it.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
And I'm like, oh, yeah, that's cool. And she goes
it's me Meghan, And I was like, huh Megan Patrick.
Oh so that I rander her this weekend. I had
no idea what was going on.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
I can't tell who it was more embarrassing for.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Honestly, I just struggled with I don't see.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
You well, no, no, I know it's and she.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Goes, I don't have a makeup on, but I still
should have the whole It was, like I told her,
was like seeing your geography teacher at Walmart totally when
you know Walmart well and the geography teacher, but you
don't really see them together together. Yeah, I felt like
it's even happened to you and I at rumbles when
you don't see each.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
Other, you do ask if you had glasses on us,
Like he didn't have glasses on, so we'll give him
that hat.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
How you I'm actually surprised I haven't seen you guys
there before. I'm there a lot, really, I'm usually a
six am.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Or though no, not me. I'm a six am or
to work, yeah, or I wake up like three thirty
or so a day. But if I don't have to
wake up early, I don't.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
Yeah, there's no share and.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
I don't live on a clock where I naturally wake
up on a weekend. Yeah, when do you wake up?
Just your body clock. If you just were living five
days with nothing to do, on the fifth day, you'd
wake up at what time.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
It's hard to say because it's hard to get into
a schedule because I never have a normal schedule. When
I am here, I do pretty regularly get up at
like five thirty and I try and go. It's a
thing where I realized I hate it, But as soon
as I get there and I work out, I feel
so much better. And let me tell you, hitting something
first thing in the morning makes me a much better
person for the.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
Rest of the day. So it's just I don't know.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
It feels like I get a lot more done to
in those extra hours in the morning, and by the
time I get to my rite at like eleven, my
brain is firing on all cylinders and I don't know,
I just feel like I have a better day that way.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Well, that's the responsible way to look at it, right,
and that what you do. It is where I've been
given the option two week could go in later to
our show, but I don't do it either because I
know I need to get a lot of stuff done,
even though I hate waking up in the morning.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
Yeah, it sucks.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
I don't enjoy it, but I enjoy the results of
what I get when I do it.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah, that's how I feel about working out generally. Yeah,
and I probably go to Rumble once every two weeks.
I also own three of the title boxings in town.
Oh that's right, And so my wife prefers to go
to Rumble because she likes those that style of class better.
Where I like to go to Title as well, because
it's just a different kind of boxing. Yeah, it's all pure.

(07:46):
It's not pure boxing. I'm not getting hit, but yeah,
but I like boxing. I like it a lot. Yeah,
it's really good too. I don't really like hitting things
if I got a problem there, but you know, I
just like the cardio and.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
My anger is yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Hey, let me ask you a question. Do you hate golf?

Speaker 4 (08:00):
Golf?

Speaker 2 (08:00):
You do love golf?

Speaker 4 (08:01):
Yeah, no, I love golf.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
It's one of two ways whenever your significant other plays
a lot where my wife doesn't play golf. She did
for a little bit and then she's like, eh, I'm
over it. Yeah, where she's like, man, it just seems
like you're just gone for seven hours, and I'm like,
I know it socks so but I see Mitchell at
times playing. I've seen you playing with them though before too,
And so you had mentioned because I have a golf

(08:23):
simulator over there, You're like, man, he'd be so jealous.
But I wonder where you fell in the golf world.
You like to play, I.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
Really do, Actually I didn't.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
I didn't start playing until I met Mitchell, to be honest.
I mean Canada, it's not like you can golf all
year round like you can here, So it was never
really a thing for me. And we were on a
family vacation and he wanted to go golf and he's like, well,
why don't you come with me? And I was like,
if I'm coming with you. The thing about me is
like I'm going to play. I'm not going to just
ride around in the car. So if you can like
have the patience and be cool with me, like I

(08:51):
won't hold up the game, but I am.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
Going to play.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
And I actually I really enjoyed it, and like it
became something that we can do together, like when we
get a little bit of time off where we can
get outside and do something.

Speaker 4 (09:01):
Active, which we love. And also I realized.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
Like from a business perspective, it's a great move. I
golf with people from radio promoters, other songwriters, Like, it's
a great networking opportunity that it's not in a bar.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
And it's long term bonding because you're with especially if
you're in the same cart, you're with them for four
hours totally.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
Yeah, you have real conversations and it's forced. Yeah, it's
forced exactly.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
My CFO of all of I hear radio's coming to town
tomorrow and he wants to play golf, So okay, we'll
go play golf. And I've never actually spent that much
time with them ever, right, but he runs the company,
and I know that when it's over, we'll have to
be better or worse, right, because you've just spent a
lot of time together.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Well, I think it's like it works out well because
you're playing the game too, So even if you just
if it doesn't really get awkward, you can just make
small talk about the game.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Right when I played Joe, No I saw it.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
I mean, I just guess you is that where the temper.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
I don't know, there's no temper. My temper is oddly
quiet mine it's not and I wish I was a
little more like you.

Speaker 4 (09:58):
I wish I was more like you.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
That's why I box, you know, I can see I
see it now, That's.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
Why I like hitting things. Yeah, that I'm allowed to hit.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
I just internalize and compartmentalize. But I but just generally,
when things aren't going right, generally for you, if something
evokes a reaction, is it a large reaction?

Speaker 1 (10:18):
It takes a lot now to get a large reaction
out of me. I have done a lot of work,
like a lot of therapy, and then again like for me,
working out and like boxing and doing something active really
helps to kind of keep me a little more even keeled.
But yeah, I mean therapy is a big part of that,
and just realizing that, you know, flying off the handle
all the time.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
I always ended up feeling.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Stupid after and it never really it didn't make people
like listen to me anymore or respect me anymore, you know.

Speaker 4 (10:45):
So I really kind of got a good handle on that.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Now because I guess and it's not even your reputation,
but it's like your pictures show that you're like, let's go,
let's party.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
I'm a passionate person, but I but people I think
often mis characterize me in that like, yes, I'm a
very like passionate person, and yes I'm a bit of
a tomboy like to hunt, and I do all these
things that I guess would be seen as like tough
things to do. But I'm actually like very friendly and
kind and like and a lot a lot I don't

(11:17):
want to say like softer, but I'm not what people think.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
You're a lot softer. I'll say softer. Yeah, you're a
lot softer, And I would I base all that I
say on this now off of images that have been
your you know, your your your brand, you know, because
but it is your music too, like you have your
music is kind of in your face. It's awesome, Like
I really like this is a compliment, but it's also

(11:42):
an observation. Yeah, I thought maybe you'd punch me the
first time I saw you somewhere, like I didn't know.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
You know, I can punch too, that's true.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
So as a kid, did you get in trouble?

Speaker 1 (11:59):
I was actually like a pretty good kid, Like like
surprisingly I was. I mean, I was always an athlete
and I was definitely like a tough kid for sure,
But I wasn't really a rule breaker.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Not talking too much.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
No, No, I mean when it came to like school
and stuff, I mean I was a like straight a student.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
I was like star athlete, played every sport, and I.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
Didn't like I didn't like disappointing people. I didn't like
disappointing my parents, and like they were pretty cool in that, like, look,
if you you know, you make good grades, you help
out around the house, like you do what you're supposed
to do, Like you can kind of do whatever you want.
So I felt like I had a lot of freedom,
and it meant a lot to me that they kind
of gave me that trust. And it's like, look, if
you screw it up, then like there's gonna be consequences,
but if you do X, Y and Z, then you

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can do whatever you want.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
I was like, sweet, that makes sense to me.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
So were you athletics?

Speaker 4 (12:48):
I mean I played a little bit of everything.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
I mean I always did, you know, like track and
field and all the school sports.

Speaker 4 (12:52):
I was a competitive gymnast for ten years.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Wow, and aren't you taller than that? Though?

Speaker 1 (12:58):
I well by the time I quit, So I actually
gotten a bad carrec with my mom when I was
I think I was like thirteen and that kind of
ended things for me with gymnastics, And honestly, it was
kind of coming to an end anyway, because I was
literally in the gym like six days a week for
most of my life. I didn't really have like I
didn't get to go to like birthday parties and things
like that. I was like super dedicated to it, and

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I was getting to a place where I was getting
a little bit older and I wanted more of a
social life. And so when that car accident happened, by
the time I came back, I mean at that age,
you advanced so quickly and everyone's learning really quickly, and
by the time I came back, all my teammates it
felt like they were so far ahead of me by
the time I was like recovered and able to like
start training again, and I just kind of lost the
passion for it.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
And I had.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Also started snowboarding, and so I pretty much went straight
from being like super hardcore gymnasts to competitive snowboarder. And
that was that carried all through high school.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Was the dream to be an Olympian. Yes, is like
the Nady and Olympic team. Is that like people that yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Oh yeah, well, I mean where I grew up. I mean,
you got to figure out something to do in the
winter that you like because it's there's winter is long.
And my family was like big on you know, skiing
and snowboarding. That was all of our family trips. And
I started snowboarding. One of my best friends, Matt Morrison,
he he took me out him and his mom actually
taught me how to ride, and you know, we we

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were he was like my brother, and so I would
go out and ride with the guys, and of course
I just wanted to beat the guys all the time.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
I was that girl.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
And he decided to start competing, and so he was like,
we should do this together.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
I was like, let's do it.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
So we competed all through high school. My senior year
of high school, I was having like the best season
of my life. I was supposed to go to Junior
Worlds in Switzerland and all this like amazing stuff was happening.
And I had convinced my parents that if I made
the national development team that they'd be cool with me
deferring going to college because they really wanted me to
go to school, and I wanted to compete, and I

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was warming up in a Slopestyll competition and went off
a jump way too fast, which is par for the
course with.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
Me, and way too aggressively and it threw me off.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
When I went up to start my rotation, I kind
of overcorrected and basically ended up doing a front flip
without completing the rotation, landed on my head and my shoulder,
snapped my collar roone and dislocated my shoulder and kind
of suitcased on top of myself, and so I broke
my back, broke my ribs, severe concussion.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Do you remember that.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
I remember being in the air and thinking this is
going to be bad, and I don't remember anything else
from that day.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
It was pretty scary.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
I still definitely have like a lot of effects from
the concussions, and so that kind of like obviously through
a wrench in things. I was like bedridden and couldn't
even walk. I couldn't do anything for months, and I
really turned to music during that time. I started writing
lyrics and kind of writing songs. I mean, I was

(15:54):
like really depressed and I couldn't do anything, and yeah,
so I started I was just listening to music a
lot and trying to write stuff. And when I came
out of that recovery, I kind of had shifted focus
and realized like okay, and I talked to my parents
about it, and you know, I think I hadn't really
accepted it to that point that music was.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
Something I could make a living off of.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
I knew it was something that I really liked, but
I hadn't really thought like, oh, I could actually do
this for a living. And my parents supported it, and
I ended up going to McGill University and I studied
opera because I had taken singing lessons all through high
school as well and did all the real conservatory everything
so annoying.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
It was like it but nothing.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
I mean, you're doing fine, Bobby, Well, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Had to struggle to. So I'm going to run a
parallel here and see if it's similar to you. I've
had a couple incidents now, it's been like seven or eight.
But I got jumped once and had a gun to
my head and that was really really messed me up,
no doubt, And then I got jumped outside of a

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radio station. I had some depth, but all these events,
like the first one was bad and it really messed
up my brain. But then once the second one happened
that was real bad. I regressed a lot as far
as who I trusted, what I trusted when I trusted
it people behind me. Now, when I hear of you
and you have these two trum physically traumatic but not

(17:21):
just physically emotionally mentally h like, I would think that
both of those even today, would still like I wouldn't
want to go fast in a car, I would want
to jump off stuff like in the same way I
don't want to be by myself alone at night in
a parking lot. I don't go into work without my
security guy being there because that's that stuff's really mess

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with my head.

Speaker 4 (17:42):
No, I hear you, and I mean the.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Snowboarding incident definitely it really shook me.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Like the correct and the snowboard incident feel the same.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
Correct wasn't as wasn't as bad.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
I mean, it was definitely scary, but I mean, I
don't know that one didn't really stick with me as much.
I guess I mean because I was younger too, and
it didn't really like and honestly, if anything, I kind
of felt like it was one of those silver lining
bad things that happens that actually ends up directing you
onto a kind of you know, correct course, I'm okay
from that. Yeah, oh yeah, no, we were fine, Like

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it was. There was no like really severe injuries or anything.
It was just really scary. We got a guy ran
a stop sign and t boned us and we like
went off the road and hit like a tree and
I just had like whiplash and some cuts and stuff.
But it was it was more like scary than anything.
You have brothers, I don't know, I got a little sister, you.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Know, I asked, because again you're excelling athletics. You go
from a sport to us sports, you know, before you
end up getting over to music. And a lot of
times that happens with people with older brothers because they
can just mimic or use them as you know, even
a kind of mentor.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
So who was really into sports in your family? And dad?

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, my dad is an incredible athlete. He actually is
still holding national records as a as a swimmer. He
was a competitive swimmer. Yeah, he did iron Man. See
do you see understand now why my need to be
so good? He also like builds beautiful mahogany boats and
like runs a business.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
I mean, he's kind of superman.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
So how old is he now?

Speaker 4 (19:17):
He is sixty?

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Is like still in good shape?

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Like yeah, I mean you're like, no, it's it's actually
annoying how all my friends talk about my dad being hot.

Speaker 4 (19:26):
So it's.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
So you go to school to study opera? Mm hmm,
what in the world do you know about opera?

Speaker 1 (19:35):
You know. It was one of those things where so
I started taking singing lessons when I was twelve. I
auditioned for like a school musical. My teacher was like, hey,
you have a good voice. Do you want to take lessons?
And the person that they set me up with, you know,
her focus was more like opera, and I guess because
I had this really big, powerful voice, I had a
big range. She was like, you're going to sing opera?
And I was like, at the time, it was kind

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of just.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
Like, oh, this is cool. Didn't know my voice could
do this? Find you kind of yeah, but I was.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
I liked it because it was it was cool just
even discovering what my voice could do. And I think
it was like, you know, I liked that I was
learning how to read music and so there was a
lot of valuable things there and I was definitely like
interested and passionate about singing. But it wasn't until I actually,
you know, so when I was looking at schools, I
mean a lot of the schools in Canada anyway. I
really wanted to go to the school in the US

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actually because there's some incredible music programs, but it was
crazy expensive and a lot of the Canadian programs, I
feel like, are still very like traditional and kind of
like like.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
You can study jazz, so you can study opera.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
I feel like there's and it might be different now,
but there wasn't as many options that were like outside
of that kind of rigid thing. And so I did
like one year and I was like, I hate this.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
This is terrible.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
I'm not passionate about this genre and the people who
are in this program like really are and it was
very clear to me I was not fitting in. And
I had met a couple guys that were in the
jazz program, these horn players, and they were starting a
band and so they asked me if I wanted to sing.
So it was a nine piece, nine guys and me,
and we were called the New Groove Orchestra, and so
that kind of pushed me more towards like being interested

(21:04):
in jazz it was at least something that felt more
like what I was into. And you know, we toured
and we made a couple of records. We got to
open for Aretha Franklin at Montreal Jazz Fest, and that
was like my first taste of really like touring and
being on the road.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
And I loved it with jazz. And have friends who've
played jazz music, like jazz bassed jazz piano, and they
talk about how you just you kind of have your
own lane that you can experiment and play around it,
but you got to stay in the lane. Like you
can totally can't hop in a different key. But as
a vocalist, is it the same, Can you kind of
move around as long as you stay in the selected space?

Speaker 4 (21:40):
Yeah? I think.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
Well, I mean when you get into like scatting and stuff,
which was always like equal parts fun for me and
like terrifying because you're just kind of like.

Speaker 4 (21:48):
Going for it.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Did you do that with you gat? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (21:50):
I mean I did it, and we had to do
it in class all the time, and you'd have to
like do it in front of the class and it
was so awkward because you're literally singing gibberish. Yeah, totally
it's like, so you always feel kind of like silly,
But I also feel like it gave me a really
great grasp of just like melodies over progressions and figuring out, okay,
where can I go and which I think in the
end translated into the songwriting aspect of just being able

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to find cooler melodies and different melodies and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Ever hear of Meltormet, Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
I'm pretty sure he like wrote one of the books
that we had in class.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yet when I think of jazz singers, especially scat, it's
like Meltormete to me was like the guy not that
I have this, you know, robust cheryld's a girl for me. Yeah,
like robust history of jazz. I don't yeh. But I
definitely had my phase where I was like, let me
just explore all the jazz music I can possibly find. Skipoo,
you know. I thought that's super cool. I thought I

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could do also like a freestyle.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
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Speaker 2 (23:02):
So when does the bluegrass thing come about?

Speaker 1 (23:05):
So after I ended up switching into the jazz program
at McGill and again was still just kind of like,
I don't.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
I'm not feeling this just doesn't feel like it's for me.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
And so I found out that Humber College in Toronto
had a little bit of like a broader and there
was also some more classes to do with like music business.
And because at this point, I'm starting to feel like
I just want to like get a record deal and
tour and write songs and like get a publishing deal
and be a songwriter.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Could you do that in Canada?

Speaker 1 (23:33):
Though?

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Did you feel?

Speaker 4 (23:34):
I didn't?

Speaker 1 (23:35):
I mean it obviously it existed, but it was not
the same as like growing up here for sure, And
because Mitchell and I have talked about that a lot,
and you know, I just hadn't seen a lot of
people that I grew up around or with that had
like really made it doing, you know, as a songwriter
or as an artist. But so I was like, well,
I guess, you know, I'll just finish school, but maybe
I'm going to try this program. So I transfer over

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to Humber and find out that that they used to
have a bluegrass ensemble. So I ended up meeting some
guys that also love bluegrass, and we end up convincing
them to revive this bluegrass ensemble and I like, oh
my gosh, we have so much fun. It was. It
was incredible. I was like, this is the music. I
love this music. I love the harmonies and like the
vocal parts. I love the instrumentation. And at that around

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that time, I had started going back home to Bowmenville
and I met this guy, Sam Balsan, and he was
playing this open mic and we became friends and we
started like jamming together and playing some songs.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
Together, and for a while we were also like a duo.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
We also dated this whole time and started a band
called The Stone Sparrows. And that's when I decided to
drop out of school. I called my parents and I
was like, I know that this is going to bum
you out, and I'm really sorry, but I just I know.

Speaker 4 (24:50):
What I want to do.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
And at that point, you know, I was working part time,
I was in classes, and I was trying to play
shows every weekend. I was like, I can't do all
these things anymore, and I just don't need a degree
to do what I want to do. And so they
kind of were like, well, I mean, you know, we're
not going to stop you. I mean we're going to
stop paying for things. But you know, we'll support you.

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And I'm actually really glad that they they didn't really
help me, like or give me money to do this,
because I had to.

Speaker 4 (25:17):
I had to work really hard. I had to figure
it out.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
I busked on street corners in subways to make ends meet.
I took every like gig I could, playing in bars.
I would play for hours for you know, a few
hundred bucks maybe in a bar tab And at this point,
you know, we started playing more regular gigs with my
my bluegrass band and made some records and again like
got to play some really big shows and it was

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it was awesome.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
And then Sam and I broke up.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Was that when that dissolved the group?

Speaker 1 (25:48):
No, we played together for a yearly c Yeah, let
me tell you a ten out of ton do not recommend.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
But yeah, in anyway, not even just this like people
to get divorced live in the same house.

Speaker 4 (25:58):
Ye, yeah, it was. It was rough.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
I mean, you know, we we it was just a
hard thing because I mean we were together for four
years and he I'm so grateful for him because he
was such an incredible musician and I know that he
had a huge impact on my musicianship, and you know,
my songwriting and just kind of finding my own voice.

Speaker 4 (26:17):
So I'm very grateful for that. So I don't regret
any of it.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
But the year that we we when we broke up,
we were like, well, we have this band, like it
isn't just about us, and we can't just.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
Like bail we had.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
Yeah, so we had my bass player he was playing
upright bass, our buddy Jim, and then my friend Oliver
was playing fiddle, and so we felt like, okay, well
we started this and we were kind of like peeking,
like we were crushing it as a band, and it
was like I felt responsible, like, well, we can't just
like bail on the band because we broke up and
we were adults.

Speaker 4 (26:44):
We could do this. This will be fine.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
And then he started dating one of my friends and
we went on tour together and it was horrible.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Yeah, I would imagine just the proximity, right, it was rough.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
It was rough.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
It was like the Eagles because now you know, they
don't even know it.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
Yeah, it's like they just come out on you know.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
It was.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
It didn't end like really badly it honestly, it also
came down to the other players. So Jim and Allie
ended up starting a brewery in our hometown, and so
it kind of just came down to, like, everybody else
in the band had other things they were interested in
and like kind of backup plans or other jobs, and
I didn't. This was it for me, and so we
kind of went ways like on on good terms. Everyone

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was just kind of gonna do their own thing. And
that was when I that was the first time in
my life I was ever Megan Patrick, a solo artist
and not like part of a band.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Did you regret dropping out of school for a minute?

Speaker 4 (27:32):
Absolutely not it.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
No, I mean I just once I got a taste
of like being on the road and writing songs, I
was like, this is exactly what I want to do,
and like I'll do whatever it takes to do this.

Speaker 4 (27:44):
I mean, to me, school was just like a waste
of my time. It was getting in my way.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
I don't I don't regret going because I met a
lot of incredible musicians and I had some great teachers
and like so I think I definitely gained a lot
from that.

Speaker 4 (27:56):
I didn't gain a diploma, but I did get a
lot from the experience.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
When did you start thinking that Nashville could be a.

Speaker 4 (28:04):
Destination probably about ten years ago.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Where is that in the timeline? So you you guys
break up the band?

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yeah, so we actually before the band was broken up,
we actually came. We went to Bonneroo, and we drove
down from Canada and we decided we were going to
go early and like.

Speaker 4 (28:24):
Check out Nashville, see see what it was all about.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
And I was really really broke. I mean I could
barely afford this trip. And so everybody like went to
Broadway and they're going to go out and drink. And
I saw somebody playing guitar on a sidewalk.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
So I was like, I can do that.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
I'm gonna go make some beer money and all you
guys you're gonna do that now? I was, yeah, I
was like they were gonna go drink. I went to
the hotel, I grabbed my guitar and found like a
sidewalk corner on Broadway and just started playing. And like dude,
I made I made enough money. I bought my first
pair of Cowboy boots at boot Barn, and I got
very drunk on Broadway that night, and uh, and I

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was just like, man, this city is like awesome, Like
there's just music everywhere, like I'd never really seen anything
like it, and that definitely planted a little bit of
a seed for me.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
And then also I really loved the South.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
I loved the people and just like the energy and
just the way people loved country music. And yeah, there
was just a culmination of a lot of things that
really drew me towards here. And after that I ended up.
I probably would have moved sooner had I not signed
my deal with Warner in Canada. In fact, around the

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time I signed with them, I was about to move
to Nashville. Then I get this record deal, so I'm like, Okay,
it makes sense to stay in Canada, build a career,
do some touring, and kind of maybe revisit this move in.

Speaker 4 (29:45):
A couple of years.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
So a couple years later, I got to a point
where if I wasn't on the road, then I was
in Nashville writing, and every time I came back home,
I just I felt like I was trying to be
two different people. Like I was trying to be this
Megan that everyone had grown up with that wasn't a
touring artist with a record deal and everything, and these
people had totally different lives in me at this point

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and I was loving what I was doing on the road.
I was loving being in Nashville, and I was having
a hard time reconciling that with who I was who
they had known me to be back home. And I
also felt like I just wasn't inspired, Like I wasn't
working when I was home. I was trying to just
do what everyone else was doing when what I really
wanted to be doing was like writing and creating. And
so I eventually I had a long term relationship to

(30:30):
at the time, and we broke up. I went on
tour with Tom cochrane for like a month, and I
was like, I got to figure out where I'm going
to live, and I realized, like, well not Nashville.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Life is a highway to con.

Speaker 4 (30:42):
Sang that song many times, That's the one.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
It was a random I don't know, he saw something,
he saw something that I did, and he asked for me.

Speaker 4 (30:52):
I guess, and I was like, awesome, And it was great.
It was a great experience.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
It was a great challenge playing for a crowd and
demographic that wasn't really my normal crowd in demographic.

Speaker 4 (31:02):
I think I learned a lot as a as an entertainer,
like how to read the.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Crowd and how to play for different people and kind of,
you know, figure out what they're what they want, and
give it to them. But yeah, I came back from
that and you know, my mom is American, my dad's Canadian,
so I have dual citizenship. And I was like, man,
why would I even stay here? Like this is the
time to move to Nashville. So I reached out to
a friend who was living here and I barely even

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knew her. She was just another Canadian. And I was like, Hey,
what's a good place to live in Nashville? And she's like, well,
actually I need a roommate. Do you want to live
with me? And so she found us a place. I
came off the road and probably thirty six hours later
I had a truck and a trailer backed up and
drove down here.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
What year was that?

Speaker 4 (31:42):
That was six years ago? I think was that twenty seventeen?

Speaker 2 (31:46):
What times? All weird and melted now?

Speaker 4 (31:48):
But totally yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
I saw I've been to Toronto before and that's Ontario, right, yep?
And Ontario you can tell me if I'm right Ontario.
Those are like states. So Ontario is the state you
got dumb it down for us?

Speaker 4 (32:03):
Here.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Yeah, the state was the province was Ontario. Yes, so yeah,
where was your town in relation to Toronto? Because I
know where that is.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Yeah, so I grew up about it's about forty five
minutes to an hour east of Toronto.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
What do we considered a suburb?

Speaker 4 (32:17):
I mean, like now.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Probably it was pretty small and rural when I was
growing up. It has changed a lot since I moved
and it's a lot more developed now. It's right, it's
right on Lake Ontario, so it's close.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
To the water.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
First time I met you, I think I was doing
a series of shows working on material at a small
theater down in Franklin, and I would do like to
today today, and Mitchell had come out and you were
with him.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
I don't know that you guys were married yet.

Speaker 4 (32:41):
We were not. Now we just got married last October.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Then for sure you wouldn't have been married out yet.

Speaker 4 (32:45):
Yeah, because I was a few years ago now.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
And maybe you were just I don't know how long
you has dated. But I remember them being like yeah,
and this is probably where my impression of you comes in.
They were like, yeah, that's Megan Patrick. She's a country
artists from Canada. She's a real fire cracker. I remember
somebody saying that who calls people a firecracker? I remember
it being like, oh, I should, I should probably watch
out then, And so that was my first time meeting you.

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But I don't think I really ever saw you perform
until did you do a showcase for iHeart? Have you
ever done here in Nashville? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (33:20):
I did.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
I did do something like just acoustic thing or with
a band, No, it's acoustic.

Speaker 4 (33:25):
Yeah, I did do something for it was like the
iHeart Summit or something.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Exactly, that's what it was.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
That's the person I ever saw your perform. Yeah, because
there's a bunch of radio people in there, right, And
I was like, God, actually good and so I'd always
you know, I kept up with you because of Mitchell,
because I know Mitchell a bit. And I saw you
at uh at Rumbule and I was like, Hey, what's
the deal, And you said you're now with Riser House.
Is that so to explain that to me?

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Yeah, So, you know, Warner Canada and I parted ways
at the end of last year, and you know, I'm
super grateful to everything. I mean, they started my career
and we did a lot of great things together, and
I think, you know, there's a lot of changes in
personnel over there, and we.

Speaker 4 (34:05):
Just we had it. We had different ideas of where
we needed to go.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Also, do they want to keep you in Canada?

Speaker 4 (34:10):
No?

Speaker 1 (34:11):
I mean when I signed at Warner Canada, I'd made
it very clear to them that my intention was to
come to the US and to I wanted to be
like an international artist, and so that was always really clear.
And I actually structured my deal in a way that
if Warner Canada had not procured me, I guess an
American deal in Warner Nashville passed on me, they'd first

(34:33):
rites refusal. Then I could take back the US territory.
I would own that again, and I could then go
sign with whoever I wanted after a certain I think
it was my third record or something. So that's what happened,
and I went to Riser and then yeah, we Warner
and I parted ways at the end of last year,
and so now I'm just with Riser and it's been awesome. No.

Speaker 4 (34:56):
I love new beginnings and fresh starts, I really do.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
And you know, like I said, I think it had
just run its course, and I had felt very stifled
and kind of suffocated and really stuck for the last
couple of years just creatively and like just feeling like
I couldn't move forward and do what I wanted to do.
And so now I feel like I have a clear

(35:20):
road ahead of me. I also got new management. I
signed at make Wake and my manager, Randy, is killing it,
and I just feel like I finally have the right
people around me that we share the same ideas about
how we find success, and we share the same ideas about,
you know, putting fans first and building things organically and authentically,

(35:41):
and also, you know, I mean, it takes a lot
of courage to truly be yourself as an artist, and
it takes a lot of courage to manage someone who
is doing that and be on that ride with them
and take the leaps with them and trust in what
they do and allowing them to take those chances and
step outside of the box.

Speaker 4 (35:59):
And I definitely have that. So I'm very grateful for that.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
The Bobby Cast will be right back. Welcome back to
the Bobby Cast.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
What's the hardest thing about managing.

Speaker 4 (36:21):
You, Randy?

Speaker 2 (36:25):
What do you think it is? I'll give you a
second thing I can I can vamp for a second.
For me, I think it's probably that I have seventeen
things going at once, and I'm bouncing quickly one to
the next one or the next day. What about this,
It's just I'm all over the place. But I feel
like in a very disciplined and deliberate way. If it's
I'm working on a book, I always got the radio show,

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I'm doing this today. For me, I know that's difficult
for my team sometimes.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Sure, For you, what is it? What's the hardest thing
about managing you?

Speaker 4 (36:53):
I mean, I don't know. There's a couple of things
that come to mind.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
Well, One, I love to hunt, and I spend a
lot of time outdoors with no service, and so I'm
not always I really like it's necessary for me to
get off the grid sometimes, which is probably not ideal
for management.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
And I don't know, probably just like managing.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
My expectations and like or when I get frustrated about something,
like I get very frustrated by people not being honest
with me, being like lazy or complacent about things, because
I am I get up every morning like I'm going
to do everything today and I'm going to absolutely crush
it and and so does my manager Randy. But when

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other people around me, like when I feel like they're
not being honest with me, or they're kind of dancing
around the truth, or they're just not getting stuff done,
I get very agitated.

Speaker 4 (37:42):
And she probably takes that. She kind of absorbs a
lot of that on my behalf. Sorry.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
When you make music and you listen to music, and
by the way, your new EP's out great to show
on dirt, but even this for example, for an example,
are you just so particular? Are you listening to it
a hundred times picking out notes, or are you going,
this is good, it makes you feel good, It's exactly
what we wanted to push out, Like which version are you?

Speaker 4 (38:09):
I think I'm like a happy medium.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
I mean, I'm I'm very very picky about my vocals
because that's one thing that like I'm in control of
and I know what I'm capable of, and I know
what I can and you know can't do. So if
I feel like if it's if I feel like it's
not where it needs to be, then I'm gonna do.
And my producer has been like, Megan, it's good.

Speaker 4 (38:27):
I was like, it's not good enough.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
But I mean, I don't get I kind of like
to let the band like do their thing and and
not be like micromanaging the music too much. But yeah,
I mean I'm fairly I'm fairly picky for sure, But
I think I'm pretty good at like deferring to my
team too and my producers and saying like, Okay, I
feel like this is like bothering me, but maybe I'm

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being crazy or you know, what do you guys think?
And then you know, I think we have I think
we have a lot of trust amongst ourselves and we
can have great conversations where we defer to each other
when we need to.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
So I feel like one of the best things to
happen to me in therapy is awareness. At least I
never am fully self aware, but having some self awareness.
Do you feel like therapy has helped you be more
self aware even of the expectations you have of people.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Absolutely, I mean, first just therapy as a whole. I mean,
I could not advocate for therapy more. I've been in
therapy for the last couple of years. I'm going to
shout out Porter's Call because they are incredible what they
do there, and it's changed my life.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Explain what that is real quick.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
Yeah, Porter's call.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
I mean, it's it's a free service to artists, and
they have therapists that are like specifically knowledgeable in our
career and what we do in this industry, so they're
you know, they have that information and understanding of like
the particular things that we might struggle with in our industry,
which is incredibly helpful because I've done other therapy before and.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
You don't have that. And yeah, and it's free for artists.
It's incredible.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
So that's been important to you.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
It's Yeah, it's.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Been a huge help for me, and you know, just
figuring out like why I am the way I am,
and you know, figuring out how to how to work
on some of the parts of myself that I that
I didn't like or that I knew were very reactive
to just past trauma and things that I'd been through
and traumatic relationships, abusive relationships, manipulative relationships with people that

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have made me doubt myself and second guess myself and
my confidence in myself, and also recognizing like I'm an
I'm a very direct person and I'm a very blunt person,
and I do that because I think that's like a
sign of respect to speak to someone that way, because
that's how I want to be spoken to. I don't
like it when I feel like someone.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Is bsing me like directness is kindness to you.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
Yeah, Like I think like honesty and directness is like
kindness and respect to me, because if you aren't willing
to do that for me, that makes me feel like
you don't respect me, or you don't like think I
can handle it, or something like that, and that bothers me.

Speaker 4 (41:01):
But I recognize that some people they need a little
sugar on top, you know.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
And I'm not being inauthentic to myself by reading the
room and just taking a different approach to get the
desired result and have a better relationship with the people
around me, especially the people I work with, because when
I get in business mode, like I said, I'm like,
here are the facts, here's what we need to do,
here's what you need to do, here's what you need
to do, and it can come off a little like

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abrasive or scary. Sometimes I guess.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
I get that too, and that's not always the goal.
And I think it, Yeah, everybody here to say that
about me too, that at times it can be a
little too direct where it almost feels rude and don't
mean it to be rude, but I'm just trying to
be extremely efficient.

Speaker 4 (41:44):
That's right, efficiency, thank you.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
And I've also had to learn that that's let's not
waste your time, absolutely, and that's ANIR based communication style though,
And I've had to also learn that that's on me
a little bit, yeah, because I will just go ABCD,
that's it. Break, that's just because it's my communication style.

Speaker 4 (42:02):
Yeah, I get it.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
I gotta be like, all right, I know, I know
Reid needs to be hugged a little bit, right read
I need to say, Reid, you do this, I'm a
little hug and yeah. So I think that's what's been
good for me is my communication doesn't always have to
be just mostly it is right. I get email tone,
I get bad email tone all the time. Yeah, I'm like,
I'm not going mean, I just said, need to do this.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
I cannot tell you how much I relate to that.
And I think, like two, it's even worse as a
woman because that kind of directness, especially in business, I
think is more accepted amongst men, but when a woman
does it, it's it's.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Basically to be right, that's what they say.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
Yeah, sorry, I was just thinking about the office.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
I think it was Dwight said something like, I'm not
going to waste your time, and I wouldn't dare waste mine.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
That's kind of how.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Yeah about it? The CP that's out now, Greatest Show
on Dirt. I put one of that. I put the
title track on the Women of Buy Our Country. Right, yeah,
so Mike, play me a little bit of that. Now
I can say song.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
Wish long.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
So you wrote the song. I'm always curious to know
how the title, how the idea came about, or how
you turned a title into means something else, because to me,
I hear great Show on Dirt, that's baseball because we
had an arkanesal traveler for a baseball team with the
Greatest Show on Dirt. However, that is not this song specifically,

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it's not about the Orchestral Travelers. No, no, it is not.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
Well, first, I can't I can't take credit for that title.
That was Trany Anderson, whose incredible songwriter just had her
first number one with Laney Wilson's Heart Like a Truck.
We've been writing together a ton, and we were on
writer's retreat with Jake Mitchell and Matt McGinn, and she
just like casually drops this title and we're like that's amazing,

(43:54):
Like how what? And I was like, okay, how do
we not screw this up? And my first thought you
you went to baseball? I thought about like rodeo, you know,
and I mean I did own a horse once, but
it was mostly just so I could like ride trails
and drink beer. I was by no means any kind
of like rodeo queen. And so I was like, okay,
well that doesn't feel like authentic to me, so what

(44:16):
else could it be? And I just was thinking about, like,
you know, summer love, summer romance when you couldn't really
there wasn't much to do where I grew up, so
you mostly just rode around in back roads and you know,
pull up somewhere, lay down a blanket, hang out, have.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
Some beers whatever.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
And I was like, so what if it's that, you know,
just this throwback to this nostalgic relationship and where this
guy is just he's he's handsome, and he's got all
the right lines and you're just like in this dreamy
cinematic thing. And I think what was cool about it
is that you know, it's obviously implied that the relationship
didn't work out in the end, but that wasn't the
point of the song. It wasn't about the breakup or

(44:51):
why they broke up. And I think it's cool that
recognizing that, like, sometimes relationships are just meant to be
for a period of time. They teach you something thing,
or they just make you feel good, they make you happy,
and then you move on and that's okay, and it
doesn't have to be like this painful breakup. You can
still kind of look back on those moments fondly.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
Hank Ty, the Bobby Cast will be right back, and
we're back on the Bobby Cast.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Another song that I had programmed into the National show
was She's No Good for Me? Is that the single?

Speaker 4 (45:31):
Now? Is that the That was the first one that
came out, that was the lead single?

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Got it?

Speaker 4 (45:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (45:35):
I just picked songs.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
Yeah, this one perfect.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
So She's No Good for Me? Mike repla A little
bit of that.

Speaker 4 (45:42):
I guess es how good for me?

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Give me? Give me that story a little bit too
on this one.

Speaker 4 (45:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
That was another different writers retreat, but also with Tranny
and Jake Mitchell and Michael Whitworth. And I I can't
even remember because it took us a while to actually
come around to this idea. I think I had come
in with this title learning how to Leave Her, and
I was like, this is just feels like a cool title,
but I'm like, I.

Speaker 4 (46:11):
Guess it would just be a guy song.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
And then we kind of talked around a bunch of
different things, and I think it was Witworth it said, well,
what if it was you speaking about like yourself, like
learning how to leave her?

Speaker 4 (46:23):
And then we ended up landing on She's no good
for me as being that hook.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
But we did leave learning how to Leave Her in
the bridge, so it still made its moment.

Speaker 4 (46:31):
But we just kind of started talking.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
About you know, as I said, the last couple of
years went through a lot of therapy. Obviously, the pandemic
was rough for everyone, and I know for me it
forced a lot of like self reflection, and you know,
I had a lot of time to think about things
and think about what kind of person do I want
to be? Am I living a life that's that's a
good life? Am I truly happy? Am I doing things

(46:56):
that make me happy? Or am I my own worst enemy?
And just kind of recognizing some of my behaviors that
were probably fun at a time in my life, but
we're no longer serving me just you know, just drinking
too much and going out and drinking for the wrong
reasons and then ending up in these toxic relationships and
going back to these toxic relationships and just like being

(47:16):
kind of this like pathetic, screwed up version of myself.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
And I just was like, I was just so tired
of that, And.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
You know, I think it was part of that that
journey is recognizing that, you know, your progress isn't always linear.
Sometimes you slip up and you know you have a
few too many or whatever, but as at least when
you recognize that, you can start like moving forward towards
a better version of yourself.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
So with you and Mitchell both being in music, and
we struggle, my wife and I because I'm gone a lot.
I can't imagine if she had a job that kept
her away a lot. Yeah, it would be doubly as hard.
So and you're both at that part of your career
right now too where you just got to go yep, yeah,

(48:00):
So how hard is that?

Speaker 1 (48:03):
You know, it's weird, It is really hard, But the
fact that we both are doing that. I mean, yes,
it means less time together, but it's kind of also
why it works because I think for both of us
in the past, like previous relationships, like a lot of
the issues and are both of our previous relationships was
like I know, for me, was just feeling constantly guilty
for doing my job and feeling like I always had

(48:25):
to defend that, like doing certain things like going out
to a party or a bar or an event where yes,
people are drinking and having fun, but it is still work,
it is still a networking opportunity or you know, things
like that, and defending that like, no, this is work,
this is part of my job, and feeling guilty for
being gone all the time and prioritizing my career and music.

(48:47):
And I've literally said to more than one boyfriend, like, listen,
if you push me to choose, like, I won't choose you.

Speaker 4 (48:54):
You know, I just won't.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
I've loved music, this has been my dream forever, like
I and I don't feel like I should have to choose.

Speaker 4 (49:01):
And so when I met.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
Mitchell, you know, we both were actually really specifically trying
to not date anybody when we met. He was he
ended up signing he was talking with Sony at the time,
so he signed his deal like maybe a month after
we started seeing each other, and I was like, in
the thick of it in Canada, I was touring a bunch.
I mean after we met, I went on tour for
like a month, and I just figured, well, you know,

(49:23):
he'll just he'll go to me in like a week.
He's another artist, songwriter, you know, guy in Nashville who
thinks he's God's gift to the country and women and
you know whatever. And he wasn't he We talked every day,
and you know, he ended up saying to me about
three chords the way through the tour, Yeah, I kind
of want to lock this down.

Speaker 4 (49:43):
So do you want to date?

Speaker 1 (49:44):
And I was like, all right, cool, and then I
was like, I'm not really sure what that means. He's like,
I mean like like I'm committing to you.

Speaker 4 (49:50):
And I was like all right. And then I think
it was forty five minutes later, I'm on the bus
and I get a text. He's like, so just to
be clear, like I can.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
Tell people you're my girlfriend, right, But it's that weird thing,
like does that even what do these terms mean?

Speaker 4 (50:01):
What does dating? See each other, what does that even
mean anymore?

Speaker 2 (50:03):
So?

Speaker 1 (50:04):
But it's you know, I just Mitchell, there is nobody
happier for my successes than my husband. And you know,
because he's been through it and he goes through it
and he's lived here his whole life too.

Speaker 4 (50:15):
He just he understands what I have to do. And
you know, he called me.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
I was I think it was after we did the
Luke com Show in Detroit and I called him and
I was just like, I'm so happy, babe, Like everything
is happening that I've dreamed about and I miss you,
but I'm so happy.

Speaker 4 (50:29):
And he was like, you got to go out and
get it. He's like, don't worry about me.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
We got forever. Like it's all good. You know, you
got to go out there and get it. And I'm
proud of you.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
So I don't think I could do this without him
doing that. I mean, I give me that support and
I kind of love him to. Yeah, he's pretty awesome.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Is it difficult to, you know, have some success in
a place and then go to some place.

Speaker 4 (50:54):
Where nobody cares about you.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Yeah, it's almost how I feel. State to state.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
I can go somewhere and it's like, yeah, everybody's like, oh,
I got then I'll go to other places like they
don't care. It's like, hey guy, get out of the road.
And I've come to enjoy that now. Yeah, going to
the places where they like get out of the road. However,
it's got to be a weird feeling for you to
have people know you and then start over.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
I mean, I'll say this like I had already been
coming down to Nashville pretty regularly to write before I
ever moved here, and really like took a real run
at trying to build a career here, and so I
was I knew what it was going to be, Like,
I knew that was going to happen. That wasn't That
wasn't any kind of shock to me. That doesn't mean
that I haven't had moments where I've been really frustrated,

(51:42):
you know, because it's like, I don't know, feeling like
people are treating you like like you just stepped off
the bus yesterday, and it's like, look, i know that
I'm new here, but I'm not new to this industry.
I've been I've been playing in bands and touring and
doing this since I was like fourteen years old, and
I already built a really successful career in cana to
doing things this way? Can you give me a little
credit here that I know what I'm doing, you know,

(52:04):
and I know that it is. There are definitely differences
in the two industries for sure, between Canada and the US.
But you know, I think it's just yeah, I mean
it's it's humbling, for sure, But it just didn't matter.

Speaker 4 (52:18):
I just wanted it and I just was like, well,
it's just what it takes. You're just gonna have to
what are you gonna do?

Speaker 1 (52:23):
Quit?

Speaker 4 (52:24):
No, So just suck it up. It is what it is,
and you figure out a way around it.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
You just keep getting up every day and convincing people
you deserve to be there and keep proving them wrong.

Speaker 4 (52:33):
And that's all you can do.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
I mean, it feels very much like you're training for
something like when you yeah, that's how you had to
prepare to trailing for whatever it is, if it's being
a gymnast, if it's I mean, it's the same mindset, absolutely,
and you've maintained it and you've just put it somewhere
else totally.

Speaker 4 (52:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
I just can't picture you flying and landing upside down
your head.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
I mean that is yeah, I mean thankfully I didn't
have to see it happen. I think it was probably
scarier for the people that saw. I mean, my friend
Matt was right behind me on the hill and when
he got to me, I was unconscious.

Speaker 4 (53:07):
I bit my tongue, so.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
There was like blood everywhere, and I was like laying
there in this like very unnatural position, like not moving.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
I still feel bad for that. For Matt, I think,
I think, I.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
See he's not the one that feel bad for Megan.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
No, he went He went to two Olympics actually, so
he crushed it.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Yeah, you think you could have got there?

Speaker 4 (53:25):
You know, I've never put a lot of thought into
that because it just it's just not to grow to me.
I'm glad I didn't. I'll say that.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
I listen, I couldn't have gotten NFL. It doesn't matter
if I was not getting to the NFL. Do you
think with the proper training you could have gotten you
get a professional? Yeah? I think so.

Speaker 4 (53:43):
I mean I think that, like, you know, there's a
lot of factors.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
I mean, one is injury, and there's not much no
matter how great you are, there's not a lot you
can do about injuries obviously, but I don't know. I
just I'm a very, very driven and ambitious person and
nothing fuels me more than someone thinking I can't do something. Yeah,
and I'm just very competitive, So I like to believe
I would I would.

Speaker 4 (54:06):
Have figured it out.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
I admire that about you just fifty minutes that we've
been here, Like, I really admire that because I can
just see it in different parts of your life. But
you know, that same energy, that same dedication, it's just
insert something else. Well, I got hurt here, I can't
do this. Let me find my next passion, and I'm
going to put equally as much time and effort and

(54:29):
energy into it.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
Well, I think that, Like I get a lot of
that from my dad, you know. And he was just
kind of the kind of guy was like, well, if
you're going to do it, don't do it half assed.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
I imagine he was like he had to be right
to be I mean, great of an athlete.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Yeah, he's a great athlete. Business owner, boat builds.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Boats and like hog ainny ones even.

Speaker 4 (54:46):
Yeah, he plays guitar a little bit too. Yeah, he's
pretty bad.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
When did you start playing guitar? Was with the first
after the car Wreck.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
I didn't really start. I kind of messed around with
it a little bit in high school. But the band
that I played in in high school, I didn't play guitar.
I just SA So I never actually got really serious
about guitar until I was in the bluegrass band, because
I mean I'd already been playing, and I was like
self taught, and I learned some like covers or whatever,
and written a little bit. But when I met Sam,

(55:13):
he was a great guitar player, and he basically when
we started writing songs together, he would just write guitar
parts that were, like he knew were above my skill
set because he knew I would rather die than admit
that I couldn't play them, and I would go sit
there and play untill I had blisters on my fingers
and figured it out.

Speaker 4 (55:27):
So again I'm grateful to him for that.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
What is success to you now?

Speaker 4 (55:34):
Like, what do I see as like the ultimate success or?

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Like I'm not pinpointing, You're not gonna imagine. I'm just
asking the question, and I just want to see where
your head goes, Like what's what's your definition of success?

Speaker 4 (55:44):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (55:45):
So I mean right now, currently, in this moment, I
feel very successful because I just made a record that
I love. It's exactly the record I wanted to make,
and I'm on the right and I'm touring, I'm doing
this podcast, I'm doing a lot of I'm living in
a lot of one day.

Speaker 4 (56:05):
I hope this happens moments.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
So I think that's amazing, and I'm trying to get
better at living in the current successes as opposed to
just always thinking about the next. But in the bigger picture,
for me, success is that I can sell a lot
of tickets for as long as I want to be
on a stage. I mean, obviously I'm going to work

(56:28):
for awards and radio number ones and all of that,
but there's just nothing more fulfilling to me than a
sold out crowd and a big stage. I love performing,
so yeah, so if I can be selling out stadiums
one day, that's success. But if it's not stadiums, it's
still going to be great.

Speaker 4 (56:45):
But I'm going to aim for that.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Are you neurotic if you're doing a Megan Patrick show?
Are you neurotic about ticket sales when they go on
ticket sales right before the show? Or are you like
it is what it is? I'm going to go just
attack whatever.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
At that point, it is what it is, because is
getting nervous and neurotic is only going to affect my show.
And I can't be thinking about the people that didn't
buy tickets while the people who did buy tickets are
sitting there expecting a show.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
So good for you. I can't do that.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
I'm not saying it's easy. I'm just saying that's what
I tell myself.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Yeah, good for you. I was with Jordan Davis probably
a week or so ago, and we were we were
playing golf actually, and his tickets were going on Selle
for his tour because he's doing bigger venues, he's doing amphitheaters,
and I was like, oh, tickets just went on sale,
like they literally just went up like noon on that Friday.
We were together and I was like a little nervous,

(57:40):
and he'd was like, well, I said, hey, you can
tell me because I'm I do theaters and I look
at every single sit like a log on and he's
like yeah, he said, I am, and I think, and
we kind of bonded over that moment because it's I
think I get nervous and eurotic because I don't want
I guess I value too much that people buying tickets

(58:01):
or not buying tickets is reflective of health, your value,
how valuable I am. Yeah, And so when nobody buys,
I'm like, well, I guess I suck and I'm not.
And I think that that's just that's just the stuff
I have to work on on me. But I think
a lot of us deal with that. But I feel
like I like your answer better than I'm just start
using that one.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Like, I think, like a lot of that is just
I mean, there's a million things in like metrics in
this industry that we use to like measure artist's value,
you know, and some of them are good metrics and
some of them aren't. And I mean, at the end
of the day, like look when I did my first
headlining tour in Canada, I was doing theaters, and yeah,
I was terrified.

Speaker 4 (58:42):
I had nightmares all the time of like walking out
on stage and there was no one in the crowd.
And we ended up doing great. We had some sold
out shows, some close to sold out shows. I mean,
it was incredible, But.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
You know, I just have to remind myself of like
I just don't see the value in letting something like
destroy your sense of worth or or make you depress
about it, because to me, that's just affecting your work ethic.
You could just be looking at it like, Okay, so
I didn't do what this hoped it would do. So
now I can sit and address why that happened, and
I'm gonna just do better next time and just use

(59:14):
it as a motivator as opposed to letting it like
bring you down.

Speaker 4 (59:19):
I just I just think that's like not helpful. I'll
make your general energy.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
All that sounds good and I wish.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
I mean, I tell myself this all the time. You
don't always feel that way, but you just yeah, you
just gotta find a way to keep pushing through.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Did you write today?

Speaker 4 (59:35):
I did not write today.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
What did you do today? How was your day today?

Speaker 4 (59:37):
I just got up and worked out and started packing
for Key.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
West Big The Big Writers is the songwriter festival.

Speaker 4 (59:45):
Yeah, so we'll be there.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
Mitchell and I get to go together, which will be fun.
And then I'm headed to Chicago. I'm headlining the Whiskey
Jam stage at the Luke homb Show the tailgate party.

Speaker 4 (59:55):
So yeah, it's going to be a good, good week.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
When do you leave for that.

Speaker 4 (59:59):
Well, I'm gonna to leave from Key West on Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Yeah, and when do you leave to Key West?

Speaker 4 (01:00:03):
Did you say tomorrow? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
And you're excited about that?

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
Yeah. I love key West. It's kind of like where
Mitchell and I really sort of fell in love. It
was the first time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
It was the first trip we ever took together after
we had like technically been dating for months but had
barely seen each other because I'd been on tour. So
it was the first time we spent like a full
week together and it was awesome. I also just made
some of my best friends that week, to Jordan Rager,
who's my my manager's husband and a great songwriter, and
Michael Whitworth. We wrote my song Wild is Me, which

(01:00:33):
was about Mitchell, and they actually just surprised me at
the Opry and it was my first gold record as
an artist.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Congratulations.

Speaker 4 (01:00:40):
So yeah, it's a special place.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
You also just it was your first Opry performance too.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
Right, Deut Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Last month? Yeah, how'd that go?

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
It's still hard to put into words how incredible that
night was. And I think, well, like I think going
back to our conversation about you know, coming here as
a Canadian and kind of like starting all over again.
To me, that is it's like the ultimate yes from
the industry, from country music, from Nashville. Like that felt
like after years and years and years of trying to

(01:01:08):
just like claw my way through, finally they said, hey,
we see you, we accept you.

Speaker 4 (01:01:13):
We want you to play this stage.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
And yeah, I just it was just an amazing night
with all the people that helped me get there. I
had a lot of people that came in from back home,
and a lot of my friends and co writers and
stuff were there, and I just felt so loved and
it was just an incredible moment because the last couple
of years have been the most challenging and frustrating, depressing

(01:01:40):
years of my life and career, to be honest, and
it was the first time in my life that I
actually allowed myself to consider that maybe I couldn't do this,
that maybe I didn't have what it takes.

Speaker 4 (01:01:49):
And it kind of broke me for a second.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
And then you know, I decided that that was crazy,
and like, what else was I going to do besides music?
And I just started focusing on writing and just writing
the songs that I wanted to write and trying to
figure out what my next step was and my manager Randy,
when she came into the picture. For me, that was
a huge catalyst because I really finally had someone that
believed in me and understood me and had the courage

(01:02:15):
to take the path that I wanted to take and
do things the way I wanted to do it. And
it just gave me a little extra fuel to just
keep pushing. And then next thing I know, I'm playing
the Opry and it was like, this is why, this
is why you stay, and this is why you keep working.
When you think you can't work anymore, and when you
think it's not going to happen, that's when a lot

(01:02:35):
of people give up.

Speaker 4 (01:02:36):
And you got to be the one that doesn't give up.
That's how you end up playing the Opry.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Final two questions, Why didn't you give up?

Speaker 4 (01:02:45):
I wouldn't never, like I could have never. I don't
give up. I just don't.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
And it's just not it's not in my DNA. And
it also was just like I mean there, I don't
exist like without music. It's such an integral part of
like who I am.

Speaker 4 (01:02:59):
I love me.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
I think about it all day every day, think about
songs all day every day. I've never been happier or
felt more myself than in those moments on stage when
I'm playing for a crowd singing songs that I wrote, like,
there's just there's absolutely nothing I don't think I could
ever find that would feel like that, So it would
just I mean, I would just be miserable.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Best concert you ever you've ever been to?

Speaker 4 (01:03:21):
Oh, that's so hard.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Can't be a festival. Okay, that's like a greatest hits album.

Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
That's tough. Yeah, because I was gonna say some of
the shows, some of the artists that I saw.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
At Bonner, that's like going counting Crow's greatest Hits, no
Loser kicking the album, best single concert you have ever
been to? Then there has to be no specific reasons.
Have to sound the best it could. Okay, an experience
you had.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
I saw No Doubt play like a long time ago
when I was like younger, and I would say that
because Gwen Stefani is amazing and it was the first
time I ever saw a female artist not only like
be a great singer, but like an entertainer.

Speaker 4 (01:04:01):
I mean, she was all over that stage.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
Her energy was crazy, she looked so cool, like her
voice was like she was just amazing and so that
was like a catalyst for me being like I want
to be her, I want to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
So yeah, I saw Bush once when I was young
and it was awesome. And then you know they're planning
breathe in, breathe on Glassereene whatever. What I remembered about
it though, And I never remember the band name, it
didn't for a while, but they had some There was
this crazy opening act they had for them, and this
lead singer was like climbing stuff and was still able

(01:04:32):
to like sing even though that, and it was no doubt.
It was what's so funny because they end up getting married, right,
Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah, And so that was Bush's
opening act. Wow, And I remember I was like, I
think it was like doubting yourself for something I saw
my friends, but it was no doubt and it was
an amazing show. Yeah awesoy is Yeah. All right, well
look we've done an hour. They could do another half. Congratulations,

(01:04:56):
thank you on. I liked your answer about why you
didn't give up because I don't give either.

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
It's not I feel like I should, but well I
can I give up on like shitty men. That's what
you should think you should give up.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
On you give crappy men as well. Now I just
have good ones Mike and Read.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
And that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Those only two men. Here's what I want to say.
You guys, go follow Meghan Meghan Patrick music. But there's
an age in Meghan Patrick music. So it's M E.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
G H A N.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
And I really like how you're doing this.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Thank you, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
And I'm not just saying that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:28):
Because I know you wouldn't just say it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
I wouldn't. And I've also taken your songs and placed
them in things just to go thank you, like I
like it, respect it, thank you. I like what you're doing.
I like how you're doing it. And so I mean,
if I just said that but hadn't shown anything, you
could say like, well, why don't you show me? But yeah,
just you're not gonna not make it because you're not
gonna stop.

Speaker 4 (01:05:49):
That's that's pretty much it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
That's the only way you guarantee success, honestly, is that
you just agree that you're never gonna stop.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
Don't quit.

Speaker 4 (01:05:56):
Yeah, just don't quit.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
Don't quit. Congratulations, good luck you know out with the
Loot deal and the Rider deal and all the deals
you got and your manager seems cool. She seems like
of a dealer brought up eight times. But also right there, Randy,
you're sitting right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
You got to give credit where credits due. I would
still talk about her if she wasn't here.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
So congratulations and everything. Thank you, and you guys check
it out. We talked about it before the show started here.
But the Greatest Show on Dirt EP it is out now.
The first single was She's No Good for Me? But
what is it? Is the Greatest Show on Dirt? The
single now what is there? A single?

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
The Greatest Show on Dirt came out with the pre
save and I think we're kind of flipping focus to
red roses and red flags.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
Okay, Mike, can you play a little bit of that?
All right? Here we go. That's good.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
That's good, that's good.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
That's a really it's probably my favorite maybe my favorite song.
It's my favorite song to play live for sure. We actually,
I'm going to just toot my own horn for a second.
We did get a standing ovation at the Opry for
this song.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
That's just a cool, that's just good. These red roses
might as well be ready.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
Well, my many failed relationships with toxic men led me
to this, so thanks.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
I wrote a whole book on failure.

Speaker 4 (01:07:07):
Totally Taylor swifted them, you know, I.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
Mean, you show them all right, you guys following Megan, Meghan,
good to see you. And that's it for this week.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.

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