#408 - Lily Rose On What She Learned About Being An Artist By Listening to The BobbyCast While Working at the Mall + How No One Returned Her Calls Until She Went Viral on TikTok + How She Met Diplo

Lily Rose (@LilyRoseMusicOfficial) joins Bobby Bones to share how she got her start in music and how she doesn't want to be defined by one genre. She shared how when she was working at the mall she would listen to BobbyCast episodes to learn more about being an artist. Lily looked back on the day she made the decision to move to Nashville, and how no one would give her the time of day until her song went viral on TikTok. She also shares how she and her wife met and why she does not want to be known as the 'gay' or 'TikTok' artist. Lily also talks about how she met Diplo, and they started working together and more! 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
I could have gone to LA, Like I really had
thoughts of like, if I'm going to go more in
a pop direction artist wise, LA seems like the place
to be, But I was like.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
I want to write country song.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Welcome to episode four oh eight. Lily Rose by the
way she kills it on TikTok. Yeah, I knew she
was crushing, and I knew Villain blew up and I knew,
but I didn't know really how popular she was. I
guess I don't just go looking at metrics sometimes unless
you write them down for me. But she has almost
a million TikTok followers a lot Yeah, Lily Rose music

(00:39):
official on TikTok, So, Lily Rose is awesome. Here's our
song Villain, I'm gonna saying. We featured this on The
Women of By Our Country in April of twenty twenty one,
but it blew up. I love the song in my Drinks.
We featured this on the National Show too as well.
Here you go, oh, let's see him.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Damn.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
And finally, her current single is called Sad in the
Summer Don't Be Sad. So so I knew of Lily
I I don't want to say I watch her on
Instagram because it feels like a creep, But I do.
I like Fallow. I like watch what she does. And
the first time we met was at the ACMs and
we talked about that and I said something to her

(01:23):
and I was like, she's not gonna think I'm for
real and I'm just a big fan and I am
for real. So it's pretty cool. I really like Lily. Yeah,
she's like effort lilessly cool. She's like effortlessly normal with us.
I mean it's like she just like one of the group.
I mean it's the groups. I was three meet you
and her, but it's like sometimes there's a whole period
where you're, Okay, are they cool? How's this interview going

(01:44):
to go? But she just like sat down and it
just felt like we were hanging out, which is super cool.
So I don't know. I really like her. Her music's awesome.
She's out now with Sam Hunt on the summer on
the Outskirts tour through like September. Then she goes out
with Shanaya. She got new music, more music this year. Yeah,
she said that. Okay. Here she has Lily Rose, twenty

(02:05):
eight years old from Dunwoodye, Georgia. She had a dad
who worked in broadcasting, who sparked, you know, her interest
in music. She taught herself guitar at nine years old.
She downloaded TikTok and she did Villain and away she went,
I'm a big fan. She saw with Big Loud in
January of twenty twenty one. Big Loud is where Morgan Wallen,
Ernest Hardy, Jake Oinar and That's the Deal episode four

(02:27):
oh eight. Here she is Lily Rose. I was when
that fire, I guess in Canada and my phone was
like air quality bad. All right, there's a fire in Canada.
How is that gonna affect me here? I mean it
rocked me? And then have you ever been to an allergist?

Speaker 2 (02:46):
No?

Speaker 3 (02:46):
But I need to never been to an allergist? Yeah,
I thought it was like something on the Rich People did, Yeah,
funny thing. I got rich. So then it's like you
got to go to an allergist because it's also part
of like my doctor's plan.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
And I was like, I don't.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
I'm not allergic to anything like food wise, I'm all good.
Yeah sure, So then they start I got rich things
fun as a joke. Yeah, no, of course kind of.
But anyway, they were digging. They dig holes in your
back and then they put all of the things that
you could be allergic to in the holes, and.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
So it's like a lot of hor too.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
It's like twenty Yeah, it's like they dig out a
little hole and then put like rag weed. It's awful
Asian pollen. Yeah, and so when am I going to
be an Asian experience or pollen? We can chill on
that one.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
You never know you're rich, right, I forgot.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
I forgot that I'm rich and never been so.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
But I came back and had a couple of things.
But when but once a year, these allergies hit me
so hard that lose my voice completely as a singer,
Is there something that you does it happen to you
at all on any sort of schedule or what is
it for you? That's the hardest about keeping it because
we both get paid for our voices.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah, yeah, No. For me, it's just the vocal warm ups.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
And you know, I never really understood it growing up
of why you'd need.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
A vocal coach.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
It's like, but I can sing, and it's like it's
the same way the athletes need trainers is to just
learn how to warm up and cool down correctly and
you know, elongate the muscle and all of it. But
it's for me in the fall. It's like every fall
end up getting sick. And I've never had allergies grown
up as a kid. It's just like the last three
or four years.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
And my dad's rich, and then that's what comes with it.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
We're working on it.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Yes, more taxes and allergies always. The vocal exercises are
interesting because growing up as you're what age did you
start singing where you actually tried, like fifteen, you probably
and if you did a little that I would understand that,
but you probably didn't have the education on what you
needed to do, warming up, making sure you don't scream

(04:43):
your voice out up until you know you kind of
got here and you really start to be around people
that understand. So all these years you just ho hum,
ho hum, singing wonderfully but not really taking care of it.
But what is crazy about the mind is that I
have some friends who never had a vocal injury their
whole life. Yea, until they start learning about how they
could get vocal injuries, and then they got a vocal injury.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
Dude, I would play like eighty to one hundred shows
of bar sets, so like three and four hours, would
never cool down, would never warm up, would drink my
way through all of it. We'd take like fifteen minute
breaks in between, and it was like I never lost
my voice, never came close. Would do Thursday, Friday, Saturday runs.
And then now we play thirty minute sets on like
a sand hun tour, and I'm like, I can't even
I can't even handle this.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
I think it's a mind thing.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
I think a lot of it's a mind thing. But
also I think that you're doing it right as well.
Now right because athletes need to stretch. You made a
great point. You are a vocal athlete. Yeah, I mean
it's a weird thing to say, but it's all mine
in a different way. Sure, but yes, but it is probably.
I have a friend this has nothing to do with reality.
But he was telling me. He was like, I never

(05:47):
got poll ups. It never He's like, I've never got
pops ever. I've been singing in a high love. I'm
not kidding. Like three weeks later, he goes, bro, I
got a poll up.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah, I'm just kind of.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Like, I don't believe in the jinks. No, but that
is just yeah, as bizarre. I have a ton of polyups.
Ye all the time. Enough poll ups.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
How you been, I've been good man.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
It's uh, we're just talking about I feel like when
CMA Fest hits for us as touring musicians, it's kind
of the like, here we go and uh, we're just
in that part of the year right now, festivals and craziness.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
What what is here we go? Because I've had to
do CMA Fest from a different level. I used to
go and host some things, but then I would also
play some things that I was also doing my radio show.
For me, here we go ment I hated it. What
does here we go mean for an artist who there's
a lot of people that are built an audience here?

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (06:35):
Does that mean no?

Speaker 1 (06:36):
I mean for me, the performing and the meet and
greets are my favorite part of the job.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
I really enjoy it. So it's just here we go of.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Like, yeah, there' are gonna be long days, but it's
cool and that's you know, it's just it's CMA Fest
is the start. But then you get to festival season
and like we're grinding it out in a van right now,
so sleep's not great, but you're with a bunch of
people that you love and it's your dream job.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
So here we Go is a good thing for me.
I love it.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
I guess it's the tone of what you say, because
if I go, here we go, yeah that sucks. Here
we go, Here we go.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah, let's go.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
Yeah that's good. Yeah, having a blast, Mike, where go?
Here we go? Honestly, as I hear we go, God,
dang uh So I've been a fan. I mean Villain's.
First time I heard it, I was like, dang, literally good.
And then I don't know, life just went on. I
don't Yeah, we didn't meet or anything. I don't think
we met until asc ACMs in Dallas, yep, about a

(07:29):
month ago. And so, but I knew you were because
when you came up to me, the first thing I
said it was, Hey, congratulations on getting married. And it's
weird because I never met you, but social mediologically kind
of like know somebody at least kind of yeah. And
then I start to wonder because I said, Hey, good
to meet you, and I hate saying that when i've
met someone, so mostly I just say hey, great to
see you. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah, I learned that from you.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
You said that like on a podcast four years agowt
and it's saved my ass.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
Except I remember saying with you, good to meet you,
and then I felt just felt terrible going Have I
met her before? Had I met you before? No? Okay,
no good. That makes me feel good in that I
wasn't a douche there, but I just feel bad that
I'm late to the party. Ish. But I was a
fan of Villain and I did know about you and
I even follow you personally. Right, yeah, so, well, thank you.
I don't think I told Mike this. We so you

(08:14):
used to listen to this point. Where did you work
by the Opry?

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (08:18):
So I worked at under Armour an American Eagle at
Opry Mills and would work.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
In the mall.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
All got it? Yep? God, yeah I would.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
I worked the four thirty shift, so like I would
either work four thirty in the morning to ten thirty
and I'd miss y'all show like completely, like my hours
were your hours?

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Four?

Speaker 3 (08:35):
Or well, hold on, you go to work in the
mall at four thirty it's stocking.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yeah yeah, so I could get out and write at
eleven trying to get a pup deal.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
Still, yeah, that's here you go.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Or I would work the ten pm to six am shifts.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
How did that sleep schedule work? The ten pm to
six So would you sleep like four or five hours
then try to go right?

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah, I would like I would come home, sleep for
two hours, go to the gym, try to write. And
I mean I didn't have a pub. I had like
no presence on music row at all. But I had
those five or six friends that we all wrote with
each other and no deals. Mackenzie Carpenter was one of them.
She ended up writing Villain with me. But yeah, we
do that because we're all working at Starbucks in the
mall and trying to get it. But I always tell

(09:17):
people like this podcast just taught me of like Dan
Smeyers had to steal food at a hotel lobby with
Andy Albert, and like everyone's journey is different, and I'm
not going to get a deal at twenty four, might
be twenty five, might be thirty five, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
And also as hard as it is and as lonely
as it feels. And I don't mean this in any
way but complimentary what you're doing by working those places.
That's pretty normal for people. Yeah, because there are two
kinds of people that come to this town. People that
don't have a lot that want to be a lot,
and people that have a whole lot and then have

(09:52):
a backup plan and they want to be a lot.
But if not, they're cool.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Sure.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
And the people that have to go hustle, Yeah, they're
hustled for a reason. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
And so you don't know how to do anything else.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
That's it, and you got to survive. Yeah right. It's
not like you got a mommy and Daddy's million dollars
sitting there ready to or you wouldn't have to go
work in American Eagle. You could literally just sleep all
day and then go right.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
And I mean, how do you write true stories for
the country music fan base if you haven't gone through anything,
you know.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
I was always a fan of American Eagle more than Abercrombie.
Here's why. When I walked into Abercrombie, I felt like
they judged me more. Can never afford Abercrombie. Yeah, actually,
now Abercrombie is cool again, which they have some nic stuff.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Can I wear only Abercromb And now.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
I wear Abercromby sets too. And first time I went
and I told my wife, I was like, I'm way
too old and could be in here. She's like, no, no,
they've busted them, so they've kind of bound. But there
was a span of like ten years, even when I
was in high school, that I went in, but I
felt way judged. It was a pretty woman. Oh yeah, yeah,
I felt like that, but I never went back and
did the whole thinghere, I'm gonna buy the whole store. Yeah,
So I felt way more judged there than American Eagle.

(10:50):
And then sometimes Abercrombie would have ripped up dudes up front,
and I just made me feel worse about myself because
I wasn't a ripped up dude, and I would be like, well,
I don't look like that. I don't want to walk
by that ripped up dude. He's gonna look at me
and go, you're not ripped up like me. You can't
wear these clothes as good as I can. So so
I just was off on Abercrombie's American Eagle A plus,
did you.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Ever watch that documentary on Netflix about all of that?
Was like the downfall of Abercrombie of how they just
pretty much were only trying to target hot people and
we're pretty much on their ads like saying some messed
up marketing way of like if you're not hot, you
can't wear Abercrombie.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Is there enough hot people to sell to?

Speaker 2 (11:22):
I know?

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Right, But they ended up like firing the CEO board
got like absolutely just cleared and they started over from scratch.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
Well, they really missed out on thirty Bobby thirty bucks
or so over the course of about two years. Right,
But that's a big American Eagle guy. So you did that?
You said American Egle wor else did you work?

Speaker 1 (11:41):
It was American Eagle under armour was my main game.
And then like American Eagle has that other brand Airy
that was in there. It's actually how I met my wife,
which is Wild.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
She shopping in there.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
No, so she was on the Las Vegas strip.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
You know they have like the three story Nike stores
and like all that they were opening an American Eagle
and an Airy. For some reason, they sent it in
Vegas and for some reason they sent like their ten
person management team to train at Aubrey Mills for two weeks.
She was, you know, head of merchandising, and we met,
fell in love wild.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
And how long was she supposed to be there?

Speaker 2 (12:13):
Two weeks?

Speaker 3 (12:14):
And did how long from when she got there and
you met until you guys actually started like falling for
each other or dating or did it happen after she
went back?

Speaker 1 (12:23):
So it was the last night they had been out
on Broadway for like nine days in a row, and
I was like, Hey.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Let's go to East Nashville.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
I'll go take you.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
No, not on Broadway once.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
I was like, last night, let's take you do what
we do in town, go to five points in East.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Let's go to Losers for whiskey.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Jam. I like, but you must have already been crushing
a little bit then if you're asking on night ten, well,
like we kind of were.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
But I was like with the whole crew with like.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
Everyone got it.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
So I mean like we kind of were.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
We think back, we're like, wow, we didn't even really
interact while we were working together for ten days, but
really hit it off that night. And then she flew
back to Vegas and we talked every day, and I
flew out there three and a half months later.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Rests assist.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
Okay, well, there's a lot of rest Is history there.
You flew out there, yep, But then what did you
go back and forth? Did she go back and forth? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (13:07):
We did long distance for about another year and a
half after that, and then she moved to town. The
week before the tornado in our one bedroom apartment, we
got hit, had to go to a hotel.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
What do you mean you get hit by the tornado?

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Yeah, I mean but what like actual damage?

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yeah, like broken windows and glass snow literally yeah, like
we were right there at Von l Rod's and like Germantown,
so we got we got hit.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
After you move here and get hit by a tornado
right when you move here.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Right when she moves here with the crab.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
And then we got put in a hotel and then
we had to leave the hotel because it was COVID.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
They shut down the hotel.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
So we went from long distance two thousand miles away
to being in a five hundred square foot broken apartment
locked down for COVID.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
And how did that go?

Speaker 2 (13:50):
It was great. We're married now, so we ended up
enjoying it. It was a good time.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
Similar ish, I met my wife and we did nothing
was I won't say it was nothing, but it was nothing. Yeah, like, hello,
how's it going. She was a friend of a friend
and so I have a I met her through doing
PR but she was from Ocal, not my wife. She
was doing pr for me at American Idol, Dancing with

(14:17):
the Stars, all my ABC stuff. But she was from Oklahoma,
and she was like, Hey, I want to meet my friend.
This is Caitlin, And this was just added random thing
and she wasn't trying to set us up, but they're
both from Oklahoma. I say, Hey, how's it going, And
I honestly thought, I'm not even gonna try because at
the time, Kitlin was going to grad school in LA
but I didn't know that. I thought she was just
an LA girl. I don't want anything to do with
LA girl, mostly because they want the thing to do
with me. So it was one of those where you know,

(14:37):
of course, you go ahead and protect yourself by going
I don't like you anyway, so I didn't. We talked
for a second, but that was it, and for like
two months we wouldn't communicate at all, nothing, And then
I found her on Instagram. I was like, Hey, I'm
coming to town. I'm gonna shoot this other show. Let me
know if you're around, we'll hang out. And so we

(14:58):
hung out and I was there for a couple nights,
went out, you know, like three nights in a rows. Yeah,
it was awesome. And then I came back and we
did long distance for some months, and then COVID hit
and I said, you know, me, being the wildly intelligent
guy I am, I said, this COVID thing is gonna
last long. You'll be here for the whole week. Yeah,
like those things come on. And so she came for
like a week and that was it. But she stayed

(15:18):
and it was the whole time because as you know,
COVID took a while, yep, and so but we were
together every day.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Dude, that's wild.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
And it was really because I'd never been in a
relationship before. I never Toldhibody I loved him before.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Ever, neither had my wife. She'd never dated women or
been in a relationship first woman.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yeah, So like we had that same thing too, Like
those nine days we worked together, neither of us thought anything.
Even when I went out that night, I didn't have
that thing in the back of my head where I
was like, Oh, that girl that I have a crush
on that's been there. I was just like, oh, I'm
just going out and drinking with these people. And then
we finally hit it off on day ten. But she
was definitely in denial.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Wait as well, so was she but she was was
to you? Was she straight?

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Yeah, she like only dated men but never been in
a serious relationship.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
And I had been in sort of relationships but lots
of trauma.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
But then I never told anybody I loved them. Yeah,
And you know, when I said it to her, I
meant it, and I probably should have said it even earlier,
but it was it was like a boulder that couldn't
I don't, Yeah, but then I said it, and then
it was just on and it just felt It wasn't

(16:28):
like this fairy landed on my shoulder and exploded.

Speaker 4 (16:33):
It was like, Oh, this is what it's supposed to
feel like more than it was some sort of get
shocked in the junk by lightning, honestly for sure.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
And my wife is just very much that way as well.
Like she always told her family, You're never going to
meet anyone until it's the person I'm marrying.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
She would always say the dude that I'm gonna marry.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
So she never took anybody to meet her family.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
She never said I love you, took anyone to meet
her family. She's like the most sure of her self
human being that I've ever met, which was why I
immediately was so attracted her. And she, uh, yeah, she
meant it when she said that.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
That's really cool. Did you know before she said it
to you, because my wife did know that never said it. Yeah,
did you know that she had never said it before?

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Yeah? I knew.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
And you know, it was like that night we went
out in East Nashville and everything, and then she flew home.
We face timed every day like we fell in love
and learned to communicate on the phone with like no touch,
and it's like, you know, it's like when you get
in a fight with somebody, you hope you can kiss
and make up kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
And we learned really how.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
To you're punch them. I literally thought, you're like, when
you're in a fight with somebody, you like to punch
and strangle them. Got it the other way? I felt
that going, Hey.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
That is my biggest regret in life that I never
got in a fight.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
I think I'm too old.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Now, and we'll get to that with me too, go ahead, but.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
But yeah, you know, so we we did so much
communication on face time and everything. I learned every in
and out about her more than I would have in
a normal relationship where you're seeing somebody every day.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
Well, because there are no distractions, you know, if you're
phoning it, you've got to kind of be dialed in. Yeah,
and you got to kind of have a point. It's
like even with us talking here, Yeah, I got things
I want to know. If the conversation tends to go
somewhere else, great, I'm gonna follow it and see where
it goes. Yep, same thing there. I can't really get
on my phone and just dick around.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yeah, we can't just sit on TikTok you know kind
of thing in the same room. It's like the only
way we're spending time together is actually communicating.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
And then you went from that to being in COVID
where you're just with each other all the time.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
All the time. And I was working from home.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
I was working for Warby Parker at that time doing
customer service phones and delivering groceries and stuff. So I
was like I was home all the time. She got
laid off because of the pandemic, so it was a
lot of time.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
So I tell you, she loved you, and were you
ever like, hey, when are you going to tell me?
When are you going to tell me? No?

Speaker 1 (18:42):
It was that first night that I finally flew to
Las Vegas and we cooked dinner and watching Breakfast Club
and I was beating around the bush and she was
just like, I love you too, just say it.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
And I was like.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
Nice, Yeah, where me? It was like, She's like, are
you okay? Are you having a seizure?

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Little read it?

Speaker 3 (19:00):
Yeah? I did it. I did a long hang tight.

Speaker 5 (19:05):
The Bobby Cast will be right back. Wow, and we're
back on the Bobby Cast.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
How long did you get mar ried?

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Now? It's been months, two or three months? Yeah, March
twenty fifth.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
How was that was wedding?

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Best day of our lives.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
We did it right at the bridge building on the
pedestrian bridge right there.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
That weird roller coaster thing is when you're.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Working these jobs, because listen, I've had a ton of
jobs too outside of just doing this. But are you
doing these jobs going? I'm just doing this until I
can make enough not to do it, or are you
doing these jobs going? I'm working because I got to
pay the bills and hopefully hopefully one day I can
just I don't. I don't. The mindset's different for everybody.

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Are you is it a means to an end?

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah, yes, okay, it was for me.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
You know, I think so many people in my life,
including my now in laws. You know, when I met them,
they were kind of like, okay, wow, our daughters bringing
home not only somebody they love, but.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
A girl, Like what do you do.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
I'm like, well, I'm an artist and a songwriter, but
I don't have a deal yet. So I work with
the mall and I deliver groceries and all that, and
now everyone's kind of like, wow, the hustle. But I
think a lot of people judge me of like why
are you doing these? These are hard part time jobs.
It's not even like it was like, oh, I'm just gonna,
you know, drive uber during the day. It was like
I had one goal at the time. It was a

(20:28):
get a publishing deal because I was like, the way
the town works is a pub deal first and then
maybe go into a development deal, label deal, whatever it is.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
So I had one one goal and.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
I was like, how do I make the perfect amount
of money while none of it's compromised, Like if you
found me on Instagram and you wanted me to come
in for a radio show, or Leslie Fram wants me
to come in for a meeting or whatever it is.
I don't have to call out of work, like I
have my days open for whatever opportunity.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
Very linear thinking. I have them the same way. Yeah,
I try to find the best way to go for
me to be without anything stumbling in the way. What
kind of student were you?

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Awful?

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Really?

Speaker 1 (21:06):
It's like I have a lot of street smarts, and
UH just never could do the academics stuff. I don't
know if I have add or ADHD who knows, but uh,
I just couldn't concentrate and I just didn't really care.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
I was that kid.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
I went to private Catholic high school, but it was
like the biggest private school in Georgia, So two hundred
and fifty kids in my class, and I was yeah,
and I always joke, I was like, I think we
had two fifty and I finished like two fifty one.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Academics wise, Oka.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
If you had a private school, why you haven't worked
on uh?

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Because my parents knew that I had the hustle thing,
and they were just like, go get it kind and
I just didn't ask. I probably could have asked for
a little bit more, but I uh, I enjoy the hustle.
Sometimes I sit here and I like see help wanted,
and I still think, Yo.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Should I apply for that job? And I'm like, oh, yeah,
I don't have to do that anymore.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
I like that. That's you know. And two, it's like
all the work that you're putting in now, even if
it's not work at your job, but all of the
hard work that you're doing, it's also a respect that's
being developed in an appreciation that's being developed, and you
have a lot in common with a lot of people here.
You also can write songs from from a place too.

(22:17):
There's just a lot of that that goes into hey,
I'm just gonna go here with a bank account and
just try to meet people like. I respect that a lot.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Yeah, well, I appreciate it. It's ah, I enjoy it.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
I think if you don't have some little bit of
a chip on your shoulder, you can kind of get
lost and a chip and and jaded and everything because
I want it too bad.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
That's your chip. I got eighty chips, got a bag
of as. Yeah, what what's your chip?

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Now? For me? I I've really learned this in the
last like month or two about myself. Is my biggest
red flag is that I want it so bad that
I get caught up in the comparison game. I get
caught up in the ship talk I get and all
of it. And uh, sometimes it's to my own detriment,
you know, in this town.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
It's a small town. And but my biggest thing.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
And I think back to when I was in high school,
it's like, when I want to do something, I will
do it. I just never wanted to do the studying
in the grades. I ended up with the most attentions
and it was in the end of our class academically,
but for some reason, like I was the teacher's favorite
across the board. Even with those two factors, I think
I just always really wanted to put my efforts towards

(23:19):
work and athletics and music and relationships.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Did you play sports, Yeah, soccer and basketball my whole life?

Speaker 3 (23:26):
Or were you best at.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
I got.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
I was like the kid until about eighth or ninth grade,
and I just never got faster, So I was good
at being slow.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Towards the end of us.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
You were the kid at though, if you had to
pick one, Were you a better soccer player basketball player?

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Basketball? Probably? Yeah, definitely better at basketball. But it was fun.
It was hard for me.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
I was always the leading scorer in the league or
whatever it is in middle school, and then I didn't
get any faster and I kind of started falling behind.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Had to transfer high schools at one point.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
And did you work hard?

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yeah, I was always a first kid in, last kid out.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
I would have bet that.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Yeah, couldn't just couldn't make it work. It didn't click.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
And it wasn't until senior year when I really started
adopting the artist thing that I would go and I
do like the talent show and then throw my basketball
jersey on and kind of have that solace and acceptance
that I'm on the bench and I'm like, yeah, but
I just did what I'm supposed to do for this.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
When did you start playing music at all or caring
to learn music.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
So my cousin, who was like my older brother that
lived in Atlanta, we spent so many holidays and weekends
with him. He was four years older, and he taught
me how to play like drums, piano, guitar. So when
I kind of really started showing interest in just rhythm
and music, my parents got me a drum set when
I was like nine, which I'm so great.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
First instrument was drums yeah, for a nine year old.
That sounds like it would be pure torture to live
in a house with a nine year old that had drums.
It probably was, and got im like an electric heart
that couldn't even hear, like here's your first instrument.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah, here you go.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
But they must have seen something, you know. I was
too young to kind of recognize it. But I just
grew up in a household where everyone loved music. Like
my parents didn't play, but my brother and I both do,
all of my cousins do. It's really bizarre. But you know,
after dinner, they would let us choose, all right, you
each get to choose three songs that we're gonna dance to,
because like we just all had this crazy love of music.

(25:19):
And they would always let me stay. If you know,
there's somebody playing Garth Brooks covers at the Mexican restaurant.
I'd be five years old and I was like, can
we stay for one more song? And they always said yes.
They always just let my musicianship kind of be present,
which I'm grateful for. And then started playing guitar when
I was twelve, kind of taught myself that. And then

(25:41):
this girl, Taylor Swift came along.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
You never heard ever tell me more?

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (25:44):
Right, And she and I are the same age roughly.
So when she was like singing about being fifteen in
the hallway wanting the senior boy, lol, but uh, I
was like, that's me. I'm fifteen in the hallway feeling
alone and wanting to date the senior boy and all
that stuff.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
So I started writing songs.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
You said, Lol, did you still want to date boys
as a senior? No?

Speaker 2 (26:05):
I yeah, you know I went to private Catholics.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
Oh, you're right, you went to a Catholic school. I
guess that in the.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
South, like in Atlanta, and I just didn't have I
didn't have a clue that I could be myself that early,
let alone ever be myself. So yeah, I think I
was in straight up denial. But always would you go
to college?

Speaker 3 (26:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (26:24):
I did for five years in Athens, Georgia for five years,
major in life, mined and friendship.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
Baby, So you're a bulldog? You have that, the Georgia bulldog. Yeah, massive,
massive sec guy, big arkeetsall. Yeah, congratulations. You guys are
awesome and everything that sucks and I hate it and
I hate you for that, but I'm gonna get away
from that. But so you go to Georgia. Was that
the dream? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (26:43):
So I didn't even go to the Georgia. I went
to the really small.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
School, went to Athens and went to a different school
that wasn't Georgia.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
You could not get into you could not get into
the University of Georgia if you lived in Atlanta, especially
if you're a private school kid without like a four
to one.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
I'm surprised there's another school in Athens.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah, University of North Georgia Nighthawks. Baby, So you go
to u n G yep U and G. And the
plan was for me to do that for about a
year and a half, two years and then transfer to UGA.
But I really picked up on the music stuff. And
I was also working at Universe, at the University of
Georgia in the gym, I had like five jobs.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
You but you worked on campus University Georgia, yep.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
So I was like faculty staff. So I still got
the exact same experience.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
I mean, yeah, but there is some truth to that.

Speaker 4 (27:28):
Ish.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
Yeah, if you're there a lot, you're getting to do
a lot of the stuff because a lot of college
is just be in there.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah, and like Athens is wild.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
So for me to get to be a part of
the student Recreation Center and like all of that. Every
single day that I ended up working my way up
to when the professional staff salary people would leave at
five o'clock. I ran the second biggest student union gym
in the country. Like that was one of my jobs
that I did. So I was extremely immersed in the

(27:58):
Bulldog community because I love it so much, But academics wise.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Not a shot.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
I never went to the University of Arkansas because I
couldn't afford it and I had to work, and I
always hated that, and I was always embarrassed at that
because I'm I'm so proud of it and I've just
a big part of my personality. It's my favorite thing
in the whole world. Yeah, it's the only consistent thing
that I had growing up. Was I knew when the
games were and no matter where I lived or who
I was living with or where, it was always on.
Like that's my consistency and I still hold on to

(28:26):
it for that, So I'm so passionate about it and
that's why I love it. But I was always so
embarrassed cause people would be like, where'd you go to school,
am I Well, Luckily I now I can say I'm
an alumni because they get me an unrady doctorate. So
now people are where do you go to school? It's
like Arkansas. I'm alive, but I know, yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
But I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
I mean, I truly would run out into the street
for the University of Georgia.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
I wish a whole lot of you fans would just
go away.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Hey, my drummers, we picked so.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
But you're not as annoying as Alabama fans. No, and
not near annoying as Tennessee fans. No.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Oh god, they're the worst.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
And maybe because we live in them. And I often say,
because I do a sports podcast, I often say, if
I don't like your fan base, it's because I'm annoyed
that you probably beat us. Probably, I mean that's because.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Rarely that's how we feel about Alabama all these years.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
Rarely do I go, oh, man, you know, I hate
man Kentucky football.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Arkansas is always hard, so it's.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
Like Kentucky basketball. Maybe I get annoyed hundred percent, but
it's always a compliment. When I hate a fan base,
I like individuals and that I like individually a lot
of Tennessee fans.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
Yeah, if there's like more than three, I like to
push them off the bridge together as a group.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
They just they think that they're a little bit better
than they are right now. I'm glad you guys beat
Alabama seeing.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
Rocky Top all the way down because I push you
off the bridge.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
Are you playing shows in college?

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (29:44):
So freshman year I started doing open mics and stuff
like that where I could play like a.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Cover in an original.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
And there was this one bar called bores Head that
they did it on Wednesdays, and I just kind of
chipped my way through of like I would do the
Wednesday night open my and then they would offer me, Hey,
do you want to do the eleven pm to two
am Thursday slot for one hundred dollars?

Speaker 3 (30:06):
Like hell yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
And then it was like, hey do you want to
do the Friday And then it turned into like we
were kind of the biggest cover band in Athens.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
So I eventually, you know, when they're paying me a
little bit more, like, you know, two hundred and fifty
dollars for a four hour set, but it's after a
home game and it's packed and it's wild, You're getting
tips and all that.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
It was dope, but I really just want to play
my originals.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
I just I always had that thing where I was like,
this is dope, and I love being on stage, but
I don't want to play other people's songs. So I
would also try to rout us and go and play
in like coffee shops for hour and a half gigs
where we can play you know, hour of originals and
thirty minutes of covers. So we got up to about
one hundred shows a year through the Southeast that I
didn't have management booking agents.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
You're talking about the whole Southeast, like South Carolina, Florida,
I mean all.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
That North Carolina. They weren't.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
It was you know, it was definitely like the most
word of mouth thing ever.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
But I mean we would maybe be able.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
To put We could sell out shows in Atlanta like
Eddie's Attack and Dismissile Bar three hundred cap rooms.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
Were you calling other places in other states being like, hey,
we're coming through, do you have or like people hear
about you in bar or all email?

Speaker 1 (31:19):
So there was this like it's called it was called
Indie on the Move, and it was just a database
of clubs and bars throughout the country, and you could
kind of put your radius and whatever you wanted to do,
and literally just would email. When I moved here, I
would sit at Ugly Mugs in East Nashville and spend
like eight hours a day emailing places.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
It sounds like what politicians do. Yeah, for a while,
I thought, and I still think I will eventually, but
I thought I would, even this last selection, go run
for governor of Arkansas.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Oddly, both sides were coming after me, going, hey, come
run on our side, Come on our side, because I
definitely socially am definitely more of a Democrat when it
comes to fiscally, and you know, we could go to
all I definitely have super conservative views in ways, but
then again, I grew up on welfare and sure, so

(32:12):
I just think I'm not in the middle. But I
have things that are oddly polar about me on sides.
And I grew up in the South and I had guns,
but I'm also like, hey, everybody shouldn't have a freaking gun.
And people don't understand what the Second Amendment even was.
All of that to be said, it was, hey, you're
gonna run for office, we'd love you run for office.

(32:34):
We got you understand, five to six hours a day
you're on the phone asking for money. Yeah, like that's
what it is.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
That my cousin does that for a living for DeSantis.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
Actually, yeah, she alls and says we need and it's
all money.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yeah, she flies and you know, does the handshakes and
knocks on the doors and.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
It's all wild.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
But yeah, you're you're just the CEO of yourself, you know,
like it doesn't matter how successful you are. I still
feel that way now, where my whole team. Everyone in
town kind of laughs because it's like if there's an
app party, I am there and I will be the
last one there because I want to make sure that
I just know everybody in town because you never know.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
You got to work for your brand.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
It's definitely like you're running for office.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Yeah, relationships, they're so important.

Speaker 5 (33:16):
The Bobby cast will be right back. This is the
Bobby cast.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Something that I'm not good at that you are, just
because I experienced it myself a couple of months ago,
is that you're very warm and you're very You'll go
up and just be direct and be like what up. Yeah,
it's almost scary. I'm like, what did I do. Oh no,
and I do. And I really tried. I tried not
to be that Nashville person that's like, we should do this, sure,
for sure. I hate when people do that.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah, we should write some time, we should write, we
should hang out.

Speaker 3 (33:52):
And I remember talking to you and I was like, hey,
I'm gonna get you on.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
Like And if I would have been me and I
would have heard that from me, I'd have been like, Okay,
there's just what people say when they see each other
at places like this.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
But I actually believed it when you said it good,
you know, I meant it. Yeah, And I left.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
Going and I told Mike. I was like, hey, let's
try to figure this out. And I was like, I
bet you thought I was full of crap.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
Now that's your reputation. You're not gonna you're not gonna
say anything.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
You don't want to say a part of it.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Maybe I know, Hey, it's the good side.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
I respect that.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
I respect that.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
So, okay, when do you move here? And why do
you move here? What was the what was that? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (34:23):
So i'd you know, been in Athens for it was
about four and a half years, and there was no
sights of graduating at all, and I wanted to drop
out since sophomore year. My dad and mom were both like, no,
you got to stay in school, but we'll support you.
Going to do the music thing and all that. I
was working all those jobs and I looked at my
dad and I was like, I'm going to Nashville. I

(34:43):
really wanted to go to Belmont my freshman year and.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
My dad study music.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Yeah, And my dad was like, you're not.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
We're not paying all this money for you to go
learn how to be on stage and write a song.
Go to Athens plenty of plenty of music things to
do there and figure it out. And I'm so grateful
for that, because I thought I learned I would have
learned so much at Belmont and the connections and relationships
are just unmatched music business wise.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
But I learned how to be on stage.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
I learned what it was going to be like if
my tuner goes out in the middle of a big song,
and how to run ableton and how to be a
boss on the road, and all of that that I
would have never gotten if I had moved directly here.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
You moved to Nashville twenty seventeen. Got to meet really right,
really Yeah, when was the pandemic? What year was that?

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Twenty twenty?

Speaker 3 (35:31):
My I don't know what years are what anymore? I'm
not I'm sure what year I was born anymore. I
was like, when was the pandemic? Okay, what year was
I born? So okay, see you at least have a
couple of few years here. Yeah, you get here. Does
it just seem the word is not impossible? Does it
seem just like it's so deep that it's just going

(35:52):
to be so hard to finally get to the surface. Yeah,
especially if you don't know anybody.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
I didn't know anybody when I moved up here.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
I had one friend who now ends up running all
of like riserhouses and our Kirby Smith. But she was awesome.
It would always take me out for lunch and answer
my questions. But I just I don't know if I
just wasn't there yet. Songwriting wise, I'd never co written
ever in my life. I always wrote one hundred percent
of my stuff. And I was sitting there and I
was always just trying to write and be the next this,

(36:23):
and I was like, oh, this song, I'm so inspired
by that Ben Rector song. Let me go try to
write one just like it, or Bruce Springsteen or Katy Perry,
Maroon Five, like all these influences. And then I started
co writing when I finally gained a little bit of
a community here and I was like, oh my gosh,
this is my stuff. Like I feel like I'm writing
Lily Rose for the first time. And again, I didn't

(36:45):
really have a genre.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
I still don't think that I do.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
I definitely have twang in my voice and country and storytelling,
but I definitely didn't have a genre back then. And
when we were writing all these songs, I was like,
this is country music. I'm supposed to be an artist
and country people that you mentioned Rector, yeah, Springsteen, Katy Perry,
and like need to Breathe was huge.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
Are those all artists? Are they random as it came
to your head? Or like who's your mount rushmore of
I'm not gonna say favorite to listen to, but like
people that you think kind of shaped you as an artist.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
Springsteen for sure, Katy Perry for sure, I would say,
Maroon five, and then yeah, probably Rector it's probably been
or Need to Breathe would be in that last slot
of the the show. I always loved their shows.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
I would go see them all the time you met
Ben No terrible guy. Yeah, I've heard just he will
turn your back, he will steal.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Your wall, cannot play the piano, awful, he.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Has not sincere she has a terrible dude.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah, I'm a.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Big, big fan. I think I've seen him eleven twelve times.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
He's like literally on my dearest friends. Yeah, he's the greatest. Yeah, no,
I've I bet and he does the greatest shows and
he's the most dude.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
The only time I ever paid for VIP.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
You paid for VP director. Yeah, that's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Because I was just dying to see and do his
Q and A with people, and I always thought he
was so kind. I was in the middle of making
my first EP at the time, too, and it's not
a lot of times that you get to shake somebody's
hand and be like, hey, I'm making my first record ever,
and you've been a huge influence for me. And it's
always kind of taught me when I'm doing my VIPs
now to really make sure you're just intentional with every

(38:28):
single person in line.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
You know.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
You know, well, he probably stole all his music anyway,
I ripped it all off.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
That man is independent.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
Yeah, he's killing it. Yeah, it's awesome. So you're figuring
out who you are. And again, you didn't have a genre,
but Nashville you can kind of come to just because
the just the guts of this town's music. Of course
it's country, yeah, but it's more than that because the
satan writers are here, the studios are here, the pup
So I feel like your country. I just wouldn't have

(38:59):
ever thought you weren't. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
I didn't grow up listening to country like my parents didn't,
and none of my friend's parents did either. But seventh grade,
somebody put on I Go Back on a boombox in
my backyard and I was like.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
What is that?

Speaker 3 (39:14):
But that's also okay. Who I really don't like are
the people that are well if you didn't know, if
you can't, you know, differentiate Merle from Whalen, And it's like,
that is not fair, Yeah, because you're cutting out such
a wonderfully talented group of people that have the same

(39:36):
fundamental country storytelling we I donould say country, but like
storytelling sensibilities. I mean, you just happen to be from
the southeast, but heck, you could have been from southern California.
But it's all an understanding and how you're doing the
art more than anything else.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Yeah. I mean sometimes, you know, when I first when
Villain exploded and I was really starting to do these
interviews and press the stuff like that, I would get
so nervous when people rapid fire questions you could have
any genre or any era of country music, what would
it be? And I was like, Ah, should I just
be fake and say the nineties? And I'm like, you
want to know what, screw it? The Rascal Flats era.
I am like five to twenty eleven.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
And that's honestly the most fun answer to get whenever
you're an interviewer talking to somebody. Yeah, and I've made
jokes about how people have to be like, oh, you
know Cash. Now. Luckily for me, I grew up in
Arkansas and Johnny Cash was from Arkansas. My grandma was
obsessed with him. So I had all that forced on me. Yeah, had,
and I had forced on me. I probablyouldn't have found
it right. So I don't think that there's a difference

(40:36):
really in you hearing I go back in seventh grade
and my grandma going you have to listen to Johnny
Cash because he's like Gus, he's from Arkansas. No difference.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
I don't think there is either.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
And I'm so excited when people tell me I never
liked country music and then I heard you and I'm
in and it was like my gateway. And I think
Morgan does that for the genre the best right now
for everyone. But it's like, what is the difference of
you know, everyone has, whether it's your grandma's playing it
for you.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
And I got a bit I mentioned this maybe one
of the last two. I got a bit that I
do in my stand up act that I talk about
how people make fun of well, I ain't country. Well,
then the only things that are country are artists of
color from Africa that brought the banjo over or Europeans
that brought the fiddle. Yeah, like that's lid to really. Yeah,
none of that's the genesis of country music. That's where
the banjo comes from in the Southeast. Was slaves coming

(41:25):
a from the slave ship. Yeah, so it's somebody it's like, well,
I ain't overalls and chewing on a straw. I'm talking
about a truck that I ain't. It's like you have
your the most uneducated people are the ones that say that.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Yeah, And I mean there's there's a lot of truth
in country music that doesn't have to revolve.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
Around absolutely trucks. It really fires me up. Yeah, I'm
talking about me too, just and I you know, country,
I was not a cowboy. I was more of a hillbilly. Yeah,
some would say a redneck even at times, just from
where I was. And so yeah, I never wore a cowboy.
I won't wear a cowboy hea now because I'm a

(42:01):
cowboy and I don't want to leave him act like
I was a cowboy ever. But when I first moved here,
but because I had done pop and hip hop and
sports and alternative, and it's like, well, you're not country,
I'm like, bro, wy, don't you come to the trailer
park in Arkansas? Yeah, tell me what I ain't you know,
we're all so yeah, I hate that for you. That

(42:21):
not just for you, but you, the understood you of
people that are super talented, have a voice, an authentic message,
and then you're told what you are and what you aren't.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Yeah, And it's like and if you look at it,
I've now loved country music for more years than I haven't,
you know, like I've loved it for more than half
of my life now, so.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
Well that'd being said too. If there's like a pop
star that is like struggling and they come over and
want to do country, I'm like, all right, I mean right,
But then there are some who love it, who come
over who like actually like the like Diplo. Diplo loves
country music.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
He loves country.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
It's not even his first fouray into it, Like with
what you guys are doing together.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
That man loves country music. It is a It's been
really fun.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
To watch him.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
He doesn't have to do country music, I guess, is
my point. Sometimes they'll be like, and I don't want
to take a shot out of him, like Brett Michaels
who was in poison, who decided to lunch of country career,
who was super nice. Sure, but it's like you're doing
a country because the other stuff's not working new, so
you're gonna come up that I don't love.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
When I came here from Austin, I was killing it.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
I did not have to come here. Yeah I wanted
to come here. Yeah, And that I like.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
That was me too, Like I could have gone to
La like I really had thoughts of like, if I'm
gonna go more in a pop direction artists wise, LA
seems like the place to be.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
But I was like, I want to write country songs.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
Whenever you said, hey, I'm a country artist and you
started to talk to managers or publishers where they were like,
h you got a dated dude. Can't date girls and countries? No, no, no.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
Also, like, no one gave me the time of day
until Villain.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
So it was that just they didn't say that.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Yeah, I like, I legit had never been contacted or
answered by a single person in town until I don't
lead to TikTok and.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Did it a little late?

Speaker 1 (44:03):
I guess not really in retrospect, but it's like twenty
twenty and I saw Priscilla and Janakis both get deals
and I was like, I have good songs too, I'm
gonna download it. I feel too old for the app.
I was twenty seven at the time. I was like,
I'm not dancing or anything like that. And I put
up every demo I had and one of them did
pretty well. I was coming over from Instagram with like

(44:23):
two thousand followers.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
What was the one that did pretty well? They gave
you a little hope but wasn't filling.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Yeah, it was a song called two Lonely People. People
still comment and want it all the time, but it's
not happening. But Rikaya Marshall actually slid into my DMS.
She was working, so she was working as a publisher
at BMG at the time. She also dated Seth England.
They now have a kid together and are engaged it.
But little did I know she was trying to start

(44:50):
her own company. But I just saw her as like
she works at BMG, Holy cow, I can get a
thirty thousand dollars a year pub deal.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
She likes my voice all this, and I went over
to her.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
How like three days later met Seth and we just
listened through fifteen songs, Villain being one of them, and
I still give them hell of this day that they
were kind of like, let's keep in touch, Like I
don't think the songs are there yet, but let's keep
in touch. And I was listening to that Matthew McConaughey
book Green Lights while I was delivering groceries at the time,
and I was like, you want to know what, this

(45:20):
is not a red light, this is a yellow light.
I've just got to post everything and I have to
really dive into this TikTok thing. And we posted Villain
and think it got like thirteen million views in like
three videos in a week, which like no one had
done that yet in country. And Rakaya Marshall was my
first call. She was like, hey, you want to do
a fifty to fifty master deal to meet with some

(45:41):
record labels and get you a team together.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
It was like absolutely.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
For you to go, let's just put it all up again.
This is what I like. Just there's just a theme
of things that I like about you, but it's just
generally in the same little world, your same brand. It's like,
you know, when you put up all these videos, some
of them are not going to get any traction.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
The first video I put up, I said, if I
get fifty followers today on TikTok, I will release the
rest of this demo. And I got like thirty followers.
Why I still release the rest of the demo? But
uh yeah, you know, I wasn't I wasn't on the
Voice or American Idol, and I didn't come over with
tens of thousands of followers, and this like it was
just truly bootstrapping from day one, even with TikTok and

(46:23):
and I'm grateful it's been cool, but.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
I feel like it's unfair and some of the older artists,
but I've seen this through a couple of generations, and
even me working on American Idol for four years or so,
definitely on the back side of that show. But when
people are like, man, these TikTok artists, they just that
same thing was said about all these people on American
Idol on the Vorce, that same thing was said about man.
They are first on Star Search that saying.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
It's yeah, Facebook, you know, like you don't think of
Caan Brown as a Facebook artist.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
Right, It's always going to happen. It's always happened, and
it will continue happening with something else, And there's always
going to be that one and a half generation older
group that's still somewhat relevant. But they're irritated that what
they had to go through was harder. I would compare
it to people who don't want people student loans to
be covered, because listen, I'd have to take any student loans.

(47:12):
Luckily I was very smart and or I wouldn't been
able to college. So at Almos School, paid for for
like Maze t Score. But if all of a sudden
they said we're going to pay for everybody's student loans,
I shouldn't go, well, I didn't get mine paid for.
This sucks, they shouldn't get theirs. No, yeah, I have
nothing to do. That has nothing to do with me.
And so same thing with this. Well they made it

(47:35):
on TikTok. They did, but that's that has anything to
do with you. And it's happened that way. Every single
generation decade has been something else that's happened with It's
just a tool, it's yeah. And when it was happening
to people coming off the voice and IDOL, I'm like, bros,
if this opportunity or this was in front of you
to go to this to try, you would do it.

(47:57):
And if you want it, that's on you.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
People make it every different way, every way, and it's
been cool. If we now have been around long enough
that I don't think anybody thinks of I.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
Didn't even know. I'll be honest with you, I don't
think it. I didn't even know you.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Good.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
That's been my goal from day one, and I was
really lucky that I had leverage and I didn't have
a single member of a team. Rakaya kind of starting
as a nucleus, and I got to really hand pick
a team that shares the same vision back at the
time of like, I don't want to be the TikTok artist.
Let's make sure the narrative is not that. And also
I don't want to be the gay artist. I want
to just be Lily.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
You know what I feel like, this is me just
pointing out things I like about you. And if that's uncomfortable,
well then that's weird. It should be really comfortable. Is
that I didn't know your TikTok artists, That's fine, But
the fact that you still brought it up, like I
even like that that you're like, I download a TikTok
and a way we went. Because you're also not running
from it. You're not screaming, hey, this is what facts. Yeah,

(48:55):
Because again, having really talked to a lot of folks
on Mike's and off if they got their first success
from TikTok, some people are embarrassed by it now, and
I'm like, you should not be You shouldn't be embarrassed.
It's like a model walking through the mall. Somebody sees
you and you're just hot. You shouldn't be embarrassed that
you didn't go into these models. You were just hot.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Yeah, I've gone through waves with it. I would imagine
of just my biggest thing is I care a lot
about what people think, and I do my best to
not but yeah, I was worried in town of just
like other artists and people I respect a lot. I
didn't know what they thought, but I was like, yo,
head down. Years from now, nobody will remember me as

(49:36):
the TikToker.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
I literally did not know. That's what.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
That was good, that's great, and it worked.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Then that happened, and I've forgotten too, because again, success
kind of camouflages all of the past that you do
or don't want known. You have success, big things, shinier
things kind of keep your eyes looking at it more
than the past. Even like Megan, I was telling her,
it was like, you're not the TikTok artist to me anymore.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
No.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
I don't even think of her that way either, So.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
It's like, uh, Danielle brad Berry, Yeah, you know, and
I don't. I think she's probably still looking for the
huge successes, but she's not the little kid on the voice.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
No, not at all.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
Everybody has a job, and people don't look at me
as the kid on KLAZ in Hot Springs, Arkansas who
begged to get a job and got lucky because somebody
got fired and after I was cleaning. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
No, it's just a lot of little decisions that you make.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
Yeah, yours has talent, though mine just happened to be there.
They're scubbing a bathroom and they're like, hey guy, you
you come in here.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
You got that hustle.

Speaker 5 (50:39):
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Speaker 3 (50:52):
Your dad and broadcasting as some sort of Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
He still is. He works for Cox down in Atlanta
doing what so.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
He has been their marketing director for all their station
since I was a kid, Since I was a baby,
He's kept a job in radio at Cox. He has
been at Cox how long? For thirty two years?

Speaker 3 (51:09):
That's wild.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Yeah, my dad, You know, my dad made so many
incredible sacrifices to be the best dad he could be
while also being the best husband and boss and friend
and brother and a lot of those where he did
not want us to have to pick up and move
and my brother and I have to go to a
bunch of different schools and cities because he turned down

(51:30):
jobs and probably like San Antonio and Tampa and Dayton,
all those Cox cities.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
I think it's crazy he's able to keep a job
for thirty two years in radio. He's the worst industry ever.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Yeah, it's you know, it is what it is.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
But he's brilliant, like he's a unicorn, and they just
find so much value in him.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
And does he have naked pictures of the boss? He
does have a question? Okay, not yet, not that I
know of. I'm just saying I don't really believe in
the jinks. Yeah, I've been lucky enough to go for
Oh god, dang, I only like that number. But like
twenty four years.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Yes, yeah, And he's been on the Bulldog's broadcast, so
he also does the football.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
He's on the broadcast team for them.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
Wait, what does he do?

Speaker 1 (52:12):
He's like the pregame halftime in postgame games on It's Awesome.
He used to be on the Gary McKee morning show
back in the day for.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Starting for It.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
Does the broadcast for That's Awesome. Yeah, I at one time,
this is how awesome I think that is. Yeah, I
at one time flirted with the idea in the last
few years. I was like, I think I want to
go be part of the Arkansas Football badcast team. And
my team was like, it's gonna cost you more money
to get there and do that, yeah, because it doesn't pay. No,

(52:42):
that's my hobby and you're gonna have to fly usually
somebody who lives there or move. And I was like,
but I love it so much.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
That's such a cool that's so like, Yeah, it's the best.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
I mean, I did not have a choice but to
bleed red and black. And we've seen every big game,
gone to all the natties and everything.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
If your dad's gonna hear this, but that's cool, man,
that's dope.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
That is he is. He loves this podcast even if
I'm not on it.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
But sad in the summer. Yeah, how do you and
diplo ever even meet?

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Oh man? It was December of twenty twenty, twenty twenty.
Holy cow. I just signed it big loud and.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
Uh right for publishing.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
No for label, yeaheah.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
For a label And yeah, I was like right after
Villain and they sent me this whole playlist of like
a bunch of songs. They were like, hey, I know
you write all your own songs, but if you want
any of these outside, here's like twenty five songs we
put together for you that we think you'd crush. And
Sad in the Summer was on there, and it was
like a guitar vocal and Seth was like, Hey, I
want you to put your vocal on this song and

(53:42):
we're just gonna send it to Diplo. And I was like,
it's just a guitar vocal, Like what do you what?
He what's he gonna do with that?

Speaker 2 (53:49):
And I did.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
I was super sick also when I did it, so
my voice was really raspy, and we sent it over.
I met Diplo that following Christmas. He DJ'ed our Christmas
party at Big Loud.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
Was that's legit.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
It was a time.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
But we all went to the Titans game the day
before and got to hang out and uh and then
just out of nowhere, in like August of twenty twenty two,
he sent over sat in the Summer.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
It was this whole like disco track. We kind of
just sat there.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
And waited with you on it.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Yeah, yeah, with that exact same we had hopes, but
like you know, yeah, Wes Wes has Wes's timeline.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
He's such an artist that he does things exactly when
he wants to. So we were all kind of like, yo,
if he does Thomas Wesley too, hopefully we're on it.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
And they sent that over and we were like, oh.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
Boy, how do you play that in your shows? Oh?

Speaker 2 (54:37):
It's fun.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
We uh a lot of tracks underneath, but also it's
a bit heavier, more guitar part on that d D
and uh yeah, we go heavy with it, a little
halftime headbanging.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
Do people ever confuse you with Lily Rose Depp?

Speaker 2 (54:51):
Yep, yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
But Dipplo and I were like, yo, we should just
start a du owning Lily Rose dip and like throw
it all off.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
You know it would break it. I throw it all
more so than it already does.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
I'm gonna have my pinnacle of success when you can
google Lily Rose and it's me first and not her.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
Well, so I googled today just to see mostly do
google the news to make sure that nobody got funding
bad before they come in, and you're all clear, don't worry.
They basically did a background checks, say, but there's only
one thing of her before you. Yeah, so it's.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Good I mean, she's such an artist and an entertainer.
She does so many things.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
You know, I'm just saying, it's not like ten things
and then sure are you that's good? Yeah for climbing
up baby, exactly. You're almost where you want to be.
So you're out with Sam.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
Yeah, we start that tour in two weeks out. Yeah
festivals right now.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
Man. Sam's good dude.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
He took us out last year for about five weeks,
so you've been out with them. Yeah, So for him
to bring us on the entire tour this summer, He's
the reason I moved to Nashville and not La.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
You like him, love him. He's a good dude.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
He's like my biggest influence in country music. When he
put out that Between the Pines mixtape and twenty fourteen,
I would sit there and just try to recreate all
those teach myself logic, do all of it. And he's
really what made me be like, I want to write
Oh if that's country, I know I can go and
write country songs.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
Sam's the example to me of someone who a lot
of people when he first came out and had success,
not I'm not gonna say the majority, but a lot
of people were like, this is not country, this is
not what the music should be doing, like program directors,
like playlist creators, even people at record labels that weren't his.
This is not it, this is not it. But when

(56:30):
it pops so hard, then you heard all the other
artists started to take elements from it, and it went
from being what was far to the left of the
right to it was what everybod else was trying to do.
So he'd create Like no one else would let him
on the road, So he created his own road. And
he's out driving on the road by himself, and all
of sudden, everybody on the same road behind him.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
I'm such a big believer.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
I've always said that of you know, in Athens, I
would I'd be able to pack out the bars and
put four hundred people in headlining shows. But if a
country are came through that was playing the Georgia Theater,
they would never look at me. They will they would
look at you know, one of the dudes wearing jeans
and boots and anything. Or Marony honestly opened a lot
of those shows that I always hoped I would be on.

(57:13):
Too bad, she's not doing anything. Yeah, I love you
meg you are crushing. You got number one right now.
But I just always had this thing that I was like,
you want to know what, none of the superstars that
sell out arenas and stadiums did anything that anyone else
ever did before. And you cannot be a carbon copy
and become a superstar you.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
I mean, it is so tough, and it's like you
have to go through extra adversity if you're different, and
you almost can't explode unless you're different. So the way
to explode is to be different. But odds are if
you're way different, you're not gonna explode. So you've got
to believe in yourself so much even if you're different.
If you want to be a megastar.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
Like every day, have to tell yourself that.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
And it's hard. I've always been super different, and it's
it sucked because I was always the guy that was
too country to be pop. I was too pop to
be country. I'm too not conservative to be on country radio.
I'm too I have too many conservative part like parts

(58:16):
of my how I live my life that keeps me
from doing everything that I do is wrong. Apparently if
you ask everybody, I.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Feel like sometimes I get viewed that way as well.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
That being said, it's the greatest thing to ever happened
to me. Yeah, because I'm the only one, only one.
The only thing that we have is being honest to
yourself and true. And I don't even lie anymore, mostly
because I can't remember. That's actually most of the reason,
because I would, I would just be like, tell great
stories on the radio. I'll be like, listen to this. This
happened to me. Sure, But I have learned now in

(58:47):
my wise age, that it's harder than normal to be great.
It's hard. It's really hard to be great if you're different.
But it's the only way you can really be great
is if you're different big time.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
And I mean it's easier said than done.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
But I'm just grateful I've got a label and a
whole team around me that just completely share that vision.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
I don't even think you that. I mean, you're definitely different,
doing a different way, but it's not like you have
two heads on in an extra elbow coming out of
your neck, you know. But like Sam is my example,
if he's not different anymore. No, he's what everybody wants
to be. But at some point there was a window
when people were like let's just throw Sam Hunt in
the sea and hope he never comes back because what
he's doing this is not good or legitimate.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Yeah, I mean, and now it's like Morgan's about to
have like five number ones in a row that have
drum beats and tracks and all of it in there.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
And even Garth. And I've been lucky enough to have
a relationship with Garth where I've opened for him and
I've done things that I hang out with him and
he will tell me that they wanted to run me
out of town. His live shows had elements of kiss
had elements they're too pop And you can just how
we talked about Star Search Idol all the way up.
You can do the same thing with that ain't country.

(01:00:00):
When Bob Wills when his steel player plugged in the
steel gets for the first time, they wanted to burn
the place down because that's not a country. Think about
that and a steel guitar, an electric steel guitar, And
it's happened every situation. I like, it's a decade inside
of the decades forever, and it's always going to happen
for sure. And I'm just always amazed how dumb people

(01:00:21):
are that haven't seen that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Oh yeah, I'm definitely at the point. I was really lucky.
When I first started doing the TikTok thing and just
posting videos, I was always very worried I was going
to deal with hate in my comments and on my
Instagram and stuff. I don't deal with any hate in
the comments. It's when like the ACM's post about me
or I can't because it's just like people telling me

(01:00:44):
that I'm not a human being, and I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Just like okay, wow.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
So you definitely have to know, no, no, you got to.
You gotta remind yourself every day of like they told
Garth that he wasn't country either.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
Well, they tell me I'm a human, but I'm just
an talented human.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
So I do feel bad for you, but it's nuts.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
It's done.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
Yeah, I don't know, man, It's just I'm just a fan.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
Thanks. I am too.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
You're really good at this. It's like you're so easy
to talk to. It's like the greatest first date ever.

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
Mind.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
Yeah, come on, we've done an hour here, so music?
What about what else? Like? What's I hate the question?
What do you have coming now? But give me something
like when do you plan to start putting stuff out.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Yeah, we uh so, I did another eight or nine
songs with Joey Moy and then I'm now working with
Paul did Giovanni as well, So it's gonna kind of
be a split record that we're hoping to have out
by the end of the year, fingers crossed.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
But we've got a lot of record.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
One song, what's one new song coming out?

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
I don't know yet.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
Okay, that's a good answer.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Yeah, I'm kind of cool with the patient game and
going dark a little bit while we we really ride
this Diplo song. But the songs that we have out
are so different than anything or that we have ready
to go, or really different than anything we've done before.
And I took a lot of outside songs when I
first signed, and I've gotten to write a lot more.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
So it's been great.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
And if they're different, they're probably not gonna work. However,
they should't, probab they shouldn't probably work because they're different.
But when they do, and god dang it, if they do,
it's gonna be awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
I'm all down.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
I'm every single song that I just trust it and
it's the perfect place in my wheelhouse where I sing
and it's different are the ones that pop.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
So I'm just gonna keep keep.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Going when you're playing shows because yeah, with Sam, I
only get a few minutes left. But yeah, I like
injure my groin or like my hip flexer, and I
gotta work out in like an hour and a half.
So I've been doing cry o a little bit to
kind of help the inflammation, not because I believe that's
doing anything except that. Yeah, just inflammation. So I got
have an appointment or I do this for two hours.
Oh yeah, that being said, when you're the are you

(01:02:40):
the baby with Sam?

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
Okay, so who's the middle, Brett Young? That's pretty solid.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Yeah, it's gonna be.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
Great whenever you're driving around in a van, and I
just want people to know because the one constant has
been your drive. I'm not gonna say hustle. I'm gonna
say you're drive. When you're driving in a van to
these shows and you're making what the baby makes, you're
not making a lot of money right now.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
No, we do really well in merch, which which helps
balance out a lot of things, and but also to
do well in merch, you gotta go stand at that
merch table for an hour and shake hands and take photos,
which is one of my favorite parts of the day.
But right now I'm I'm with three dudes that are
in my band that also have been working at this
for so long, that feel that same that drive and

(01:03:28):
the just tenacity, you know, and uh, it's been great,
But I feel like we got a bus coming soon.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
Oh yeah, you're right there. But I'm going to tell
you the fact that you've been in a van makes
the bus so much. Yes, it makes it worth it.
And you never want to go through anything hard, but
you really don't grow unless you go through something hard.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Yeah, I mean we also have the best times in
those vans.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
It's like, yeah, when I first start a toy, we
were driving around a car that's all over the South.
It sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
I always tell everyone. They're like, sorry about it's a
sprinter van this week, and I'm like, yeah, it's better
than a car.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
I used to be in the car.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
And that's for a year. I finished the show on Friday.
We try to beat five. We do a show and
then we just drive overnight in a car and it sucked,
And then we got a we started driving in a van.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
I say, you don't drink so we have a little
bit more fun with it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
Okay, that I could see, and then the van I
was like, that's awesome. I got right down and then
then it gets sucky again. And then when you get
a bus, it's a game changer. Hey, just wait to
get a plane.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Oh that's a good one.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
Okay, fingers crossed. When are you You're going out with Sam?
When does that wrap up?

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
So that is like beginning of July through the end
of September, and then we're out with Shanaia Twain for
thirteen shows.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
Dang, how light does that go?

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
November is and then headlining after that we're road dogging.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
Are you done in November until the next year?

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Yeah, you know, and then there's always the Christmas radio
shows and all that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
But touring wise, for the most.

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
Part, you should come up. I don't know if you
could even do it, but I'm one of the shows
that I'm doing. It's it's easy driving a car to Louisville. Yeah,
you should come up and open up that show. I
only pay a thousand bucks. But you you don't have to.
You don't have to do anything. It's like there's no money. No,
you don't have to do that, but I think it's
super because then i'd bring up on the radio show
and I have it's so political when I bring guests up,
I have to do a little bull crap and mostly

(01:05:18):
I don't care, but then my boss gets into not trouble,
but then he gets pushed and then he comes not
down on me. But it's like it. But anyway, we
should try to figure out a quick show that you
don't have to drive a van to because I'm doing
some super close like Louisville's yeah, two hours like right there,
yeah and beyond in Well, I'll just I'll have my
people call your people, yeah, and we'll see. I'm just

(01:05:39):
a big fan.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
Hey me too. Thank you. This is such a bucket list.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
If I would have told well don't twenty twenty eighteen
Lily that we we finally got to do this, I
don't know if she'd believe it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
So thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
Then we'll get you up on the show and it'll
be great. I'm just a big fan. I've been following
along for a while and it's super cool to see
what's happening and how you're making it happen, and there's
a different it's and something happening, And the difference is
somebody making something happening and then it happens. I appreciate it.
I appreciate it, Mike, anything you want to say. I
feel like this has been the fan club meeting mostly

(01:06:09):
of the league than anything else. No, it's been great.
You're not dying though, right? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
No, no, no, not dying.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
Announce it here though? If you are?

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
So?

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
Who what does he do?

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
The guy Dylan right here in the corner. It's my
day to day manager.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
Oh you're the manager? Yeah, Dylan? How'd you feel like
this went? Io? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
I thought you known each other for twenty years.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
I feel that way too, That's why I said. It
just felt so freaking normal. We screwed up to the microphone.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
What what?

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
What do you not like about her? It's not well,
I don't like that about you. But here's the thing, Dylan,
you weren't a Vandy shirt, and that's kind of bull
crap when you were another team.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
The man is from Missouri and has been a Miszoo
fan since I've met him, so.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
I have no respect for you. Well, here's here's the
funny thing.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Were the Vandy shirt to look a little bit smarter?

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
I went, I went about mine. I you like four colleges.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
I had an ex essential crisis when my brother in law,
he coaches Utah, we coached Utah softball and they went
to the College Wall Series for the first time. It
was awesome, and I struggled wearing any other school other
than Arkansas. And my wife is like, this is family.
No one's gonna think you've switch switched schools. You can

(01:07:20):
wear Utah, And I thought, you know, Utah is not
a threat to me. So I'm gonna wear Utah only
at the game to support him, but it's family. I
also love him if it's super close to him. Now
that being said, my wife is a massive Oklahoma fan
massive her family all shoot me dead before I put
anything overall, and she won't wear anything Arkansas. So I've
only been a one logo guy until so. But you

(01:07:43):
being a four logo guy with no family, But yeah,
it kind of shows how you are. Yeah, your true
colors are flying through here whenever they start winning.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
That's when I'm on board, dude. I'm the same way
my dad. We did not have a single ounce of
orange in our house.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
Can allowed it? Will say yes, ma Zoo was not
in the SEC whenever I was growing up, Big twelve,
Big twelve, So all the excuses come on. Don't keeps
a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
I still feel dirty for in Utah, but I understand
why I did it. You prefer you got like a team.
Every day here where on the street is all team Dylan.
You got a free shirt, he'll wear it. Got free shirt,
all right, you guys. Followed on Instagram at Lily Rose
Music on TikTok Lily Rose Music Official. Will put it
up in the notes here, uh Sad in the Summer
which we played before Lily got in here, and I'm

(01:08:32):
just rooting for you. Thanks mam.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
Yeah, I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
Keep killing it, keep pushing, thank you. It ain't over
till you quit. So don't quit because you got it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
Man, unless I die.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
Yeah, then it's the whole ghost thing, like you're gonna
come back and I'm gonnaunt all right, yes, all right,
thank

Speaker 5 (01:08:48):
You, Thanks guys, thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.