Love and Theft (@loveandtheft) stopped by Bobby Bones house to talk about being a group for 17 years and the highs and lows that have happened in their career. They talk about their new EP, Better Off, that was seven years in the making after it got shelved at their old label. They also share what it's like having their new EP come out on a label they are no longer on. They discuss how the music industry has changed, what inspires their songwriting and will share their thoughts about having Taylor Swift write "Hey Stephen" about Stephen and the song they wrote about her!
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Since the album never came out Tim McGall They were like, well, shoot,
you're not gonna do it here, we'll give it to
Tim mcgrawl, and he did it and was top ten
for him, So.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Now we're gonna have that on the album. It's our version.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
It's almost like you're covering a song.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
But we had a first first Yeah, episode four nineteen
with Love and Theft.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Follow them at Love and Theft on Instagram. Let's roll
through some number ones angel ees. So it's either number
ones or some of their biggest hits, which, man, these
songs are awesome. You kind of forget about songs after
like six years, but then you remember them again after
like twelve. There's like that one little gap where you
forget all the good songs. But man, they had so
(00:46):
many great songs. Run Away Whiskey on my breath, Man,
that song was a jam and they'll run it out
of air.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
And I want to run away.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I was singing now one of them during the interview
and I couldn't quite get it, but man, that song
was so good. It's Eric and Steven. We start off,
and it really wasn't a planned thing, but I saw that, Hey,
Steven Taylor swift from Back in the Day was about
Stephen Barker Lyles, the guy from Love and Theft. I
had no idea. Yeah, I only knew because I saw
it on Instagram right before then Better Off the EP
(01:30):
is out. Now here's their single called better Off lo
Bab and there's an interesting thing happening with their new album.
They're not putting it out and so I kind of
didn't know how to feel about it. And you can
tell all my confusion. I don't know to promoted or not.
But Love and Theft we moved to town. This is
a couple of the first guys that I and I
(01:51):
met first, knew first, and they're back in fun fact,
because you hear it later on. We talked about golf
a little bit and so I got Eric's number and
I text him the next day. I said, Hey, you
want to call a golf at like three, And He's like,
I'm already on the golf course, So all right. I
was like, you're they're already. Don't worry about it. All right?
(02:12):
There you go at Love and Theft. Here we go,
Episode four nineteen. It's Love and Theft on the Bobby Cast.
It's been a long time serious. Been a long time,
so I've seen you guys. Yeah, I guess how long
has it been since all three of us have been together?
Seven years? Probably eight years?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Maybe a radio remote interview somewhere at CRS.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Yeah, maybe I saw. I did not know, And you
can tell me if I'm if I'm right or wrong here,
but I'm not. I don't know all Taylor's old music
that that hey, Steven always about you? Yeah? Am I dumb?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
No? Did she re release it well when she redid
her Yeah, so she read my versions. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
You see what would suck is if she didn't put
it on them. Yeah, that would be my fear, not
that she would put it out again, that she wouldn't
put it out again. If there was one that she
didn't even do it, like, I'd be checking, like come on,
Like it wouldn't matter, but I'll be like, come on, please,
let's redo the song.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
So it's a nice song.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
I mean, I don't even know that I've ever heard it.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Oh, it's like the nicest song you can write about
one buddy. Yeah, So that was cool.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Love and Theft signed as an opening act for Taylor
Swift's two thousand and eight tour and Stephen Barker Lyles
is the subject of Hey Stephen, which appears on Swift's
two thousand and eight album Fearless.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
Stephen Live People was leaving nothink you and nashall stay
the same?
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Have you heard the one I wrote about you?
Speaker 6 (03:39):
No?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
That's quite Hi Stephen? But I recorded on that Bobby Special.
So you guys, it's been what seven years since you
put out new music? Is that?
Speaker 6 (03:47):
Well?
Speaker 5 (03:47):
We put out an EP last summer kind of just
to bridge the gap between some of the music we
had already recorded, like we were on Curb Records for
a few years, like from twenty sixteen, like twenty nineteen,
I guess and recorded a few a whole record for them,
and a couple songs came out, and then they told
(04:07):
us that they weren't really sure what they were gonna
do with the.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Record, so they shelved the rest of it pretty much.
So where are those songs now? They're and they're all.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
That's a hard drive over there. But we actually just
found out that they're releasing that record we made for
them back all the way back then seven years ago.
They're releasing it on December first, a.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
New Music director came in and heard the album. It's like,
why have they not put why did we not put
this out? And know everybody's like, I don't know, hold on, yes,
so you're.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Not with them anymore. No, you recorded a record that
they shelved. They still have it and they're going to
now put it out and it's still going to be
Love and Theft yep. Yeah, but how would they expect
you to support it it all?
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I think they're I think that we're gonna have to
do most of the promotion for it because they're not
going to take anything to radio, they said.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
I mean they are they doing it? Is? If why?
It helped me understand their reasoning. So if you're a
record label and you have this shelved music, you could
sell it back to you guys. I mean I had
a deal, like a comedy deal with the Black River
for a long time. I just bought my music back
because I was like, you know what, I don't even
need a deal now. If you know I'm getting radio plane,
I wasn't I want a radio play. I'm just by myself,
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you know play. So I bought it back so I
don't have to pay them any part of touring or anything.
I don't understand what they're getting by just putting out
a record on you guys, If like you're not down.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
If I trying to make some of the money back
that they spent on the record.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Yeah, right off. It's like Mike, did they put out
like a Superwoman or whatever Batgirl and they just never
put it out and they just wrote the whole thing.
I'm shocked. Are you guys upset about that?
Speaker 5 (05:43):
We're Excitingly, we're kind of excited because it's one of
our favorite projects we've ever worked on. I mean we
made it with Josh Leo and Jim ed Norman who
was running Curb at the time. He's the guy that
signed us over there, and we were pumped about it.
I mean we also spent a lot of money making
that record. I mean Jim of running the label, and
it was like he would just get in there and
kind of tinker with stuff. And there's lots of studio time,
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lots of different musicians and stuff. So we're excited about it.
We just don't really know what it's gonna look like exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
And guess what you all this they're throwing whisky out
my breath on it because they bought the rights to
that all those years ago.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
And they're putting that on there.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
That's wild.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah, that's wild.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (06:22):
So we kind of don't really know about it.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Like if you guys are all working on this together
and you guys are like, we hate them they're putting
we don't want to put our music out, and they're like, Okay,
just keep that act going because that what you talking about.
That would be the most brilliant thing ever. What if
it ends up being a big success, do you go
it all?
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Signe?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
That's a great question.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I mean, what do they want to Like, Hey, by
the way, we think the song s would go to
radio right, well, then we'll go on to radio to
or I don't know, you know, we don't really don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
We're just pumped it's coming out.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
We have a song on there about our kids that
we thought was never no one's ever going to hear.
There's some other song we wrote almost over half the things.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Could you go and re record it if you wanted
to the same songs like Taylor did and have it
yourself now? I don't know.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
I think technically because we've reached contractually the point of
like where no re record.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
And now they're putting it out without you guys actually
being a part of it, and they're just hoping that
you'll be a part of it and them some money.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
And they also like they knew that we wanted it
to be released, Like my sister is A and R
over there, and wait what my sisters now A and
R over there?
Speaker 3 (07:26):
And at the label, you're not even on any She wasn't.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
Really and R when we were there, was she maybe
she was early kind of like Jim Ed's assistant.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
So she's actually been helping us get like push it
forward to get it released.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Now I think I'm rooting for you guys. I don't
know how to feel. How do we feel about this?
We want that record to do well? We do you do?
We're okay, we're rooting for it.
Speaker 7 (07:48):
It would be great for our career. It doesn't really
proud of it. I mean it's true.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Yeah, it's a big part of our life and yeah,
those songs were songs that we never thought would see
the light of day.
Speaker 7 (07:58):
So we're pretty we're excited about that aspect of it.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
And I will say we are, like we're one of
the few artists they actually let go because we approached
them I think the right way. You know, they have
this person of not letting people off the label and
so no, we well we were upset they didn't give
us a radio tour and and do all that, but
like we were just glad they let us go because like,
(08:22):
how we going to pay our bills if we're not
releasing music and so they let us go free and clear,
and so that was actually nice because we're like.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
No, I like them again. Roller coaster of emotions in
every direction so far. So the last seven years, I
want to say, I'm put out new music. I mean
a new like a new, full, new record. So but
you had one, That's thing I didn't know. I didn't
know you had one done. So that are you working
on other new Now? I'm confused as to what's new
and what you own and what's not. Is there is
(08:50):
there stuff that you guys own yourselves that's coming out too?
Speaker 5 (08:53):
There is so this last little EP we put out
last summer, we own all that published and you produced that. Yeah,
al did that, and then we've got another nine songs
it's almost done with. Also, so trying to figure out
like when's the right time to release that, Yeah, we
don't shoot ourselves in the foot and kind of what.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
If you released it against yourself, that'd be awesome. It's
a battle Loven Tith Records And as you versus you,
how long have you guys.
Speaker 7 (09:17):
Been together now last seventeen years?
Speaker 3 (09:20):
You guys still enjoy enjoy each other.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yeah, we'll get play lots of golf on the road together.
It's our favorite friends. That's our favorite thing to do
on the road. It's play golf.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Have you guys like faded in and out? Meaning my
show has been together twenty years, and there have definitely
been seasons where we've been extremely close, and there have
been seasons where kind of in the middle we weren't
so close. And then you kind of realize why I've
been together for so long, we should like appreciate this more.
And now we're like super close again because you start
to value, you know, really the years that you've been together.
(09:47):
So you guys been down that thing a couple of times.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
I mean, I don't think we've ever gotten to the
point where like either of us wanted to go do
something different or I mean we've been fortunate like most duos,
most bands like have a falling out of some sort
Like we've never actually had any like serious fights or
like knocked down, you know, drag out arguments or anything
like that. We've been pretty fortunate.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
So you're here for how long until you guys meet Stephen?
How long were you in Nashville?
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I think I was here for I was here for
probably a year and a half and then I met
him initially, but we didn't start a band or start
writing yet.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
We were put together by Robert.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Ellis Earl and Jeff Cope and two producers in town,
and we were going trying to find band members for
our They were putting together this four Eagles pop country band.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Was the goal that everybody could play something like everybody
had to have their own You got to be able
to play and sing and if you have to do
a solo, you can beat Timothy or you can be
So that was number right.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
And so they're like, hey, we're we're looking for a
fourth and they're like, hey, do you know this guy
Eric Gunderson. I'm like, yeah, actually I just met him
not long ago. He came in, played a few songs.
Three of us and our two producers went outside and
it was pouring down rate. We're standing there just awning,
and then and we were like, hey, so what do
you think you environment to be the band?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
In the band and was like yeah yeah. So we
go inside and like, hey, you want to be in
the band.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
He's like, I got a base a bass player. Note,
we got a base. So is that your version of
a two eric? Is that you remember it for sure?
You remember the rain and everything?
Speaker 7 (11:19):
Yep? I remember what I got in.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Like we were all like kind of discovered by these
producers in different ways, Like they'd made like a craigs
a Craigslist post, they had made MySpace posts and they
actually like found me and one of the other guys
through my Space and I still have the exact same
MySpace account hasn't changed still.
Speaker 7 (11:41):
Anymore so in my top eight though. Still you know
I'm still in there.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
There's four of you. And is it Love and Theft?
At very first that the name of the bandit Verson.
Speaker 7 (11:52):
We went through a ton of different names.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yeah, what was the very first name that you settled on?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
What was it wasn't the eighty fourth four?
Speaker 3 (12:01):
That's kind of cool, so we thought that was Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
I like that.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
That's because sometimes you hear and you're like, oh, crang
because it feels But now that's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I like it.
Speaker 7 (12:09):
At the time, it felt kind of cringey, just because
we were all like we were all the new young.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Guys in town, and like everybody that was kind of
trying to be competitive at that time was born around
the same time.
Speaker 7 (12:20):
But now it's like we're one of the few bands
left that's been doing it that long.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Like, yeah, that's pretty cool. What else? What did you
go to from there?
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Vinyl Sons?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Okay, so that's how I feel about that. I thought
I was gonna feel about the first one. Yeah, it
was pretty tough.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
And then we were like we tossed around the name
Banderson Lyle's or something like that. It's a combination of
all of our last names. And then and then I
think actually our old third member, we were like, well,
we need a better name.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
So did you do any shows under those names? Or
was that just what you were like in town? Just
like just so there's somewhere there's like a graphic with
probably the eighty fourth or Banderson.
Speaker 7 (12:56):
Lyles and Brian are the third member.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
He was super creative, been like very arty as far
as like his drawings and his artistic style, so he
would and he was a graphic design major, I think
for a couple of years in college, so he would
do all of our like show posters and stuff. And
I still got a few of those saved. That's a
hard d that's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
And Love and Theft was that those was that name
suggested with them together, like how did that come about?
Speaker 2 (13:19):
It's a Bob Dylan album.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
The album they got their name inspiration from on the
Grammy Award for Best Contemporary Folk Album. It's forty fourth
annual Grammy Awards. It was nominated for Album of the Year,
and the track Honest with Me was nominated for Best
Male Rock Vocal Performance Honest.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
So and Brian actually is like we went we were starting,
We're like, we need to find a real name, guys,
because things are starting to happen. And so he was
going through some discographies and it's like, dude, what about
that Bob Dylan album Love and Theft? And we were like, man,
that's a pretty good name. So and you can't patent
like song titles or album titles, but so and he
(14:00):
got it from like an old book or something, so.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I'll copy right. Yeah, it' thought it'll be funny to
do a record of like a song called Stairway to Heaven,
but it's about a literal stairway, and people are looking
for the real version, but you can't copyrighted song title.
So right off a Stairway to Heaven, you go down
one spot and here's a little something called help you know,
And then right after that, here's a little something called Freebird.
(14:23):
But you know, it's literally and so it's a whole
all the classics, but they're all different. You're just getting
lucky because people are searching for the real song. That's
how about that record Curb.
Speaker 7 (14:35):
We actually on this record had.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
A song called need to Breathe, and like that's kind
of what we were hoping, like, Oh, people, they'll see
the song and maybe they'll listen to it.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
How'd you guys feel about being four people in a
group at first when you didn't really move to town
to be a full band, and yeah, you were here
to sort of do a duo thing, and Steven, you
were here just trying to make music. But that's that's
a whole different dynamic.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yeah, it's it's a lot, but it was fun for
us because when the four of us played our guitars
and one person on a piano, or so three guitars
one piano, and if you have three part harmony, it's
like it's a lot. Because we both grew up in church.
You know, I'm prettyer skid too, so that's all. I'm
just used to doing that.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
So I'm sure it sounds good. But the dynamic of
four people, especially when you didn't grow up and know
why you love or can't stand each other, right, because
that's important even with best friends. You know, Mike and
are together a lot, but we definitely know where the
sensitive parts are and you know what parts aren't. And
now you're with three others that you did not grow
up with that you did not move here with. I mean,
(15:35):
I think just a band dynamic itself is extremely hard,
and that's why you don't see a lot of bands
stay together successfully for a long time.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Eric and I hit it off right away, though, so
that helps. So we always had each other in that aspect.
That's probably why we decided to take it out and
keep it going.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
And even the fourth guy, Chris, he was like within
six months, I think he realized like it wasn't for
a while, this isn't for me, I want to be
a solo artist. He immediately went back and made his
own solo record and then decided he didn't want to
do music at all anymore.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I felt that too, though, I mean I totally get
that too.
Speaker 7 (16:03):
And it makes sense. But and it worked out.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
We kind of just went with it and let it
kind of develop and evolve how it was supposed to,
and we didn't really ever find it. Even when Brian
decided that he wanted to do his own solo project,
they were like, all right, for I spent money two
ways instead of three ways, and.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
I don't think of you guys anything but a duo.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Do people think still remember? Do they still like, oh
did they picture he was a trios at all?
Speaker 5 (16:26):
I think some of our virginal fans that met us
when we were on tour with Taylor Swift, I think
they still have this, you know, vision of us is okay.
It was three guys on the stage acoustic, and that's
how they always remember us.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
The only lasted one album, though, It's like we've been
doing a lot more since.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Would you sign a deal with three of you?
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Our first deal was with the three of us? And
then when we signed at RCA. It was the three
of us, and then literally the day actually that was
the deal. Memo was for three of us, and the
day we were supposed to sign it. He called us
that morning and said, hey, guys, I don't really feel
comfortable doing this. I don't think I want to play
in a country band anymore. It's like, I'm passionate about
rock music. I want to try this.
Speaker 7 (17:06):
So we're like, all right, let's go see if Jim
Cain go for this.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Thank God. By the way, is Dave Grol. Yeah, yeah,
you left you guys and did his solo thing. It's
pretty cool.
Speaker 7 (17:16):
He's having a little success.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
He's not pretty good, So do you worry that he's
not going to want a duo? Whenever he wanted to
sign a trio? Is that a fear of yours at all?
There was.
Speaker 7 (17:25):
It was definitely a fear of ours.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Yet they had Brooks and done, and we had heard
that there were rumblings that they were going to be
breaking up and kind of getting off the label.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
Think Montgomery Gentry at the time had just gotten off
the label, so there was room for a duo. So
we kind of just walked in there with our fingers crossed,
and he was like, all right, well I don't see
that really changing anything, and he went with it, and
within six months, Angelis was out.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Angels Man, think about that.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
You're in a group six months earlier, you just said
Anne for me. Six months later, that songs freaking killing
Yeah a little bit. And sure he probably made a decision,
you guys, made a decision based on what made everybody's
mental health better. He didn't want to do it, you get,
(18:23):
but I mean, there's got to be a little bit
of it. Why didn't I just stay six more months?
Did all there on that song specifically? Because again I
think that was my introduction to you guys, A little
bit of Heaven and an angel that Yeah, that song specifically?
Who wrote that song?
Speaker 7 (18:39):
I wrote it with Eric Pasley and Jeff Copeland.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Okay, so whenever you guys were cutting it, was it
always written to be eleven Deft song?
Speaker 7 (18:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (18:49):
I think when we wrote it for like you wrote
it for you. Yeah, And even when we were recording
it that like I remember Tom Bukobac like it was
just jamming behind the sol He's like, man, of all
these songs, like I really like this one resonates with me.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
It's like it has this cool I.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
Think he referenced Joan Jet And whenever Tom Bukobac gets
excited about something, it's like like, oh, maybe we have
something here because he's playing on every single record, I mean,
one of the best guitar players in the world. I mean,
so to hear him say that kind of stuck with us.
And then Sony wanted to push a different song as
the first single, and every radio station we went to
(19:26):
everywhere was like, hey, you start if you come with
this single, we'll start playing it tomorrow. And we begged
Josh E. Sler and then Keith Gale to switch the single,
and they finally did.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Like, so they had to pick another song. Wasn't they
just wanted to like they had led with a different song.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yeah, we were on radio too, or pushing another song?
Speaker 3 (19:44):
What was that song?
Speaker 7 (19:45):
She's amazing?
Speaker 3 (19:46):
And so they pivoted and how fast did that song
actually get some real teeth and it's actually to like
get in the thirties.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
It was actually pretty quick, like cause like our second
single and the third single, I guess it was just
a second single over at Lyric Street. It was like
our fastest moving song, and Angelis actually moved really quick,
like kind of into the top forty, and then it
was a real battle from like forty to twenty.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
That's the monk, yeah, trying to get out of that
muck because everybody's fighting responsor.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
But then as you know, there's that muck kind of
trying to just get on in a chart and also
which I know that's changed now and.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
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Speaker 8 (20:37):
And we're back on the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
So when did it get really like unbelievably cool, Because
there's a phase even in my career, there's a phase
where I'm like, I'm wide eyed and I feel like
I can take on the world, and then I kind
of realized I can't. I've been fed a little bit
of humble pie a couple of times, and then I
started to have some success and I'm like, oh my god,
this is what it's like to actually when was that
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face for you guys whenever you go through it, but
you're like, we are this is kind of weird. This
is so cool. It's got to be when Angelizes started
to really hit, like we're able to feel it when
it's top fifteen. Yeah, the show's getting bigger and you're like,
this is crazy one percent.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Yeah, yeah, because we were started doing our own filling
our own clubs, which normally we would open for someone
else the club for you guys.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Tim mcgralso was awesome for us because I he was
like the person I like grew up listening to and
loved the song writers that wrote records and all that.
So we got to do that and the Warren Brothers
got us on that tour and we did a whole
tour with him.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
That was pretty much. That was that big for me.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
When was it for you?
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Eric?
Speaker 3 (21:41):
That you just kind of can't believe how cool it's getting.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
I think probably like you said, once Angelis got kind
of top thirty and you started seeing people show up
really really early and standing in line for shows and
singing every word to a record when there's only been
a couple songs on the radio, That's that's when I
think for me, I was like, Wow, who really like this?
Like maybe, and I think you also in the business
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at that time it was like if you could just
figure out a way to get a number one record
like that was that was the benchmark that you had
to get to to have any type of long lasting success,
it seemed like. And then at the time it seemed like, Okay,
you get a number one and then they just start
flowing and coming after that, and then we realized that's
really not how it works. It's like you have to,
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you know, grind and work your hardest for every song.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
And it does seem like that from Afar that it's well,
if you get one, they kind of opened the door
of the secret club and then you're just allowed twenty right,
But I ain't really like that. Yeah, it ain't really
like that. So Angelize goes and crushes. What'd you guys
come with? After that?
Speaker 7 (22:47):
We came with a song called running out of Air
right after Angelize.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Like we were running out of it? Well, I know
that song.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
It was more like on like the pop rock side.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Yeah, I think I really liked that song.
Speaker 7 (23:08):
Yeah, that's it kind of had like a cool, different
kind of more more pop rock vibe.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
I was here by then. I had like twenty fourteen,
twenty fifteen something like that.
Speaker 7 (23:18):
Yeah, twenty fourteen.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Man, that's crazy to hear those songs makes me feel
like you ever hear a song and you're just kind
of back in that spot.
Speaker 7 (23:24):
Oh yeah, that's a cool thing about music. It's like
our music. It's like when we play it, even in
a live show, it's like I go.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Back to, you know, when we released that in my head,
and it's it's fun to relive all those memories.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
When you guys were killing it. I was such an
idiot here in this town. How such an idiot? Just
like I had no idea I was getting find a
million bucks doing things I probably I wrote about in
my first book. But it's like, you guys are almost
a soundtrack to my idiot days. You know. Yeah, I
congratulations from respective it was supposed to be.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
It was fun watching you come in and do things
on your own terms, like because we had been, you know,
on everybody's morning shows, like, and you came in there
are no rules, like, you just did it how you
wanted to do it. And I think that's what was
always so inspiring and still is to me when I
look at you in your career, it's just impressive because
you didn't seem to give a shit what anyone else thought,
and you just did you.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
You know, I think it was I wasn't that talented,
so I couldn't act like I cared. So I just
did it the only way I could, like get by,
and people are like looking at me, such a rebel,
and I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'm a rebel, look at me.
So Angelize hits man, that love it Air. I could
listen to that song run out of Air? That almost
a jam. Do you write that one?
Speaker 7 (24:34):
No, we didn't. That was actually Josh Osbourne and Shane
McAnally and Matt Jenkins.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
That's like the early days of Josh and Shane. How
far did that song go?
Speaker 7 (24:44):
Got into the twenties on the chart.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
And they didn't release it for like three months after
Angelize was like number one, and they waited a sore spot.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
All right, now let's get it in. They waited three
months though, why would they do that? We have no
clothes still, but no, really, why would they do that?
Let's see about it.
Speaker 7 (24:57):
You gotta take a man, Gary Overton. Little period at
Sony in between Jogoi.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Was a shift in management over at the Yes and
so you'd think you guys got lost in that mix
or not prioritized, because they were prioritizing shifting in and
out that CEOs.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
I think that was part of it.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
I mean, Gary Overton signed us to our first publishing
deal at EMI, and we thought like, oh, he liked
our music, he liked our writing.
Speaker 7 (25:26):
He signed us over here.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Maybe he's gonna bring that same energy over to you know,
being the chairman at Sony, and we thought it was
going to be a really good situation. I think I
wouldn't say he got in over his head, but he
just was being pulled in a million different directions. He
had just signed I think three or four different female
solo artists and they hadn't really broken a new female
in a while, so I think like Joanna Smith and
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Kristin Kelly and a couple others like they just he
was like, nope, we're putting out these three singles before
we put out the next Love and Theft.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
So it was number one.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
Yeah, it was four months that we waited before we
put that out, and we lost it seemed like we
lost all the momentum.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
So I would say that's enough of a time period
in this at least to how this industry was then
to lose all momentum. It felt that it almost feel
like you're having to start over again, if.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
That's how it felt, and it didn't. I didn't feel
like there were I think maybe to radio, and some
of our friends at radio were like, it didn't seem
like he had the confidence in your and y'all.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
That he looked like to Like people are adding the records,
They're like, well, if they're not gonna sure, they're not
going to prioritize themthing my playlist isn't either.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Is that frustrating for you guys?
Speaker 5 (26:35):
I mean, I think it was frustrating, But then I mean,
I guess everything happens for a reason. So looking back
on it, it's like, Okay, well, maybe if we had
put it out a couple months earlier, we could have
written the coattails of our own song, and maybe that
would have helped us get into the chart a little
bit sooner.
Speaker 7 (26:51):
And something like Pizza or something like that that I
think got top thirty.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Whenever you have a song that's really assive, like Angelize,
let's say you guys never put out another song after
Agilize ever. Could you tour on that the success of
that song and just play shows forever? I think, yeah,
that's a good chance.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah there is, but it's it wouldn't be. I don't
think it would pay our bills at this point, but
it would. You still get to go do shows based
off of Oh yeah, I remember that song?
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Yeah, because it was so big. Do you ever I
heard it at Kroger the other day.
Speaker 7 (27:27):
I heard it this morning at Target.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Really yeah, that's and it's also like what they call
it recurrent, meaning the song was so big then and
it still sounds so good to play as of what
they call an older song, like that's cool, it's still
played in freaking Kroger or Target because I can play anything.
That list of songs you can play a Kroger or
Target is five thousand songs. Yeah. Yeah, so that's gonna
be pretty cool. Uh, your kids, you're as old at
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a ten ten and then my youngest is four, and
what about you?
Speaker 2 (27:55):
My son is nine and my daughters six.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Okay, so you haven't n that's wild. Yeah, never felt
so old. You guys came in here a nine year old.
I don't know. Do they know how? And I mean
this in a loving way, do they know how? Like
cool their dad's because the dads aren't cool now, it
doesn't matter, it doesn't matter, But do they know how
cool their dads used to be.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Oh, that's a good question. I don't know if mine does.
Speaker 7 (28:18):
You think Camden sort of gets it because you're not
cool now.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
You can't be coold to them. You're when you're seven,
sure your dad, but you're different kind of cool. You're
a superhero. But eventually they're going to know some of
the some of the stuff that you guys.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Like sometimes I show him Blake, sometimes I show him
something like and remind him, Yeah, dude, I did that, bro,
So it's more respectful.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
So what about the Taylor Swift song? Like that? You
got a nine year old that's pretty cool to be like.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yeah, yeah, I think that.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
He she my mommy.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
He knows about it, but I don't know. I'm not
sure he's into Taylor Swift, so it's not as cool
to him. And my daughter hasn't got to that stage
yet of where she is listening to Taylor Swift yet
like that much to her.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
And I think at times, like I don't even really
grasp like how cool it actually is. I mean, she's
the biggest pop star arguably in the world.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
I mean, oh yeah, she continues to get bigger. It's
just weird because she's in her yeah, seventh season being
a celebrity, and she still continues to get bigger. Weird.
It's a weird thing like that. That machine runs really
strong and smoothly over there does And it all started
right here. I mean, obviously you guys went on tour
with her, but I just went about the kids thing,
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like do they think do they come to shows at ten?
And do they think it's cool or they annoyed they
have to go to a show?
Speaker 5 (29:42):
I mean, I think my oldest things it's really cool,
but they both are obsessed with it. So like I
think just seeing us on a big stage is really cool.
Like see mephis this year. We had an awesome crowd
down at the River. It was it was just really cool.
And he came home and got in the cars like that.
Speaker 7 (29:58):
That was awesome.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
That's awesome. That make you feel good.
Speaker 7 (30:00):
That makes me feel really good.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Yeah, dang, that's cool. That's why I want to have
kids one day, so they'll be like, Dad, you're awesome.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Like Eric.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
And he plays the keyboard and plays the piano there,
plays the guitar a little bit too, so like I'm
hoping that like him seeing that kind of stuff, will
make him more passionate about it.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Do you want it? Do you want your kids to do?
You want your kids to do music?
Speaker 7 (30:19):
I do?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Really?
Speaker 7 (30:20):
I think so?
Speaker 5 (30:21):
I mean, I mean it's like, I'm a handy guy. Like,
we have a couple of businesses, me and my wife, dude, like,
and I enjoy working with my hands. I enjoy other
creative outlets and stuff. But there's nothing that brings me
as much satisfaction as creating a song from nothing.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Yatisaction pay the bills. You know, in this creative world.
I would never want my kid to do anything creative
because it's such a you shot in the dark.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Even if you're good, it's stressful.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Yeah, even if you're great, you're like And I tell
people a lot for whatever job they want to do
in the arts, everybody wants to do it. That's why
nobody gets paid a bunch. Everybody wants to be a
singer or a comedian or podcast. Everybody wants to do it.
That's why doesn't pay anything because everybody can kind of
do it. But it's the people that can do it
really well, but can find that special connection. But what
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does that even mean?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
You know?
Speaker 3 (31:10):
It's like actors who can't get on insurance, Like you
get to make a certain amount of money just to
get on insurance.
Speaker 7 (31:16):
And after I've battled that for years, and it's.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Like there's some really talented people that for some reason
just can't even get to the point where they can
get insurance. So I'll be like, don't do anything creative,
like learn math. That's what I would tell my kids.
But that's really cool that you guys are so supportive
and your kids doing music, because I feelin like I
was just so lucky to I worked hard. Don't get
me wrong, but you have to there's just something that
(31:41):
you can't really pinpoint when it comes to why creative
things work. So the fact that you can tell your
kids to do it, good for you guys. They must
feel confident in yourselves. I have no confidence in me.
Maybe that's why I don't feel like I would tell
my kid to do that.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
And I don't know for me personally, Like I battled
imposter syndrome even still after doing it for twenty years,
it's like, am I good enough? There's so many talented
people in this town. It's like you constantly are second
guessing yourself. But I think that also sharpens your brain,
it drives you, affects your work ethic, and then so
I don't know if my son is passionate about music
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and loves it, I don't want to ever discourage anything,
because I mean, I think that's what was so exciting
about all of it For me personally. It was the
unknown and taking a leap of faith and stepping into
something that everyone's telling you isn't gonna work. And then
when it does work, it's that much more rewarding and
you feel a greater sense of accomplishment.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
I think, what was your.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Family like supportive wise, and you're like, I'm gonna move,
We're gonna do the duo deal, see you later, Charlotte.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
I think they were supportive in a sense like I
don't think my mom or my dad thought that it
would work. It's like I think they were both expecting
me to move back within a year because I was
gonna be so discouraged, and I kind of just kept
my head down and knew that it was something that
I wanted. So I was going to work my ass
off almost in a sense, to prove both of them
wrong and show them that hey, I don't have to
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do this. I don't have to go get a degree.
I don't have to do it the way your dad
made you do it. And I think for me it
was almost like I had something to prove to myself ultimately.
But then I also wanted to kind of show my parents, like,
you know what, there's different ways of getting there, and
there's more than one way to get a cat, and
this is how I'm going to do it.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
So yeah, the cats get anything's always weird. I never
had a single person skin a single cat, and I felt, yeah,
I did the cat, same same, but never were actually
a cat. Did you ever almost go back home?
Speaker 7 (33:34):
I never did.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Know, never had a cross a point where you're like,
I'm might have to give this up and just move back.
Speaker 7 (33:41):
Nope.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
I decided I was going to figure out a way,
whether it was on the production engineering side, for the
writing side, I was going to figure out a way
to make a career out of music.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
What about you, Steven, did you ever almost go back home?
I didn't.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
No, I didn't. I never did.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
And once I got here, I was like, oh, this
is it, this is the spot. And what also, my
brother used his graduation money to help pay for us
to move up here. So I have my brother with me,
I canaan with me. My dad was making trips back
and forth. My mom moved up here after I moved
up here after my parents got divorced, so my sister
was with her too, and my little brother.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
You can't leave everybody, that'd be rude. So have you
guys noticed with your music putting it on social media
all or just playing on social media it driving any
sort of ticket sales at all? Specifically from that because
I with my stand up, I never put anything online
because I was like, I don't want to kill jokes
(34:37):
if it's up. The old adage watch can't put a
joke up because if people hear it, you can't tell
it again. But I really noticed in this last tour
when I started to put stuff up, tickets would sell
every time I would post something, because usually would be like, okay,
announcing a tour. Now some of the radio to say
I'm gonna be here, and stuff sales or it doesn't
move on to the life do the shows. Hopefully it's great.
(34:57):
But I would put clips up and then I wouldn't
really know notice in that same time when it woul
put stuff up and if it hit the algorithm too,
A little bit a bad one up. Oh, I blame
the algorithm, the algorithm because the joke wasn't good. I
know that the algorithm. Yeah, but I really saw it.
I really saw numbers change because of what I was
posting on social media because it would catch an algorithm
(35:18):
and people that didn't follow me already would stumble across
it and they would buy tickets. How has that happened
with you guys?
Speaker 2 (35:23):
We actually are horrible as social media, so I don't
know if it's helped or hurt.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
I will say when we do post purposefully, it does definitely,
like you definitely notice an immediate.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Will take it from me. I was like, why am
I even gonna do this? Because my people already know me?
That's what I would think. They're already know me. They
were going to come with they want to come. But man,
I started, and it would just take like a clip
to catch just to catch that way of that algorithm
because who knows who knows why it is? By the way,
you never know what's going to blow up. And then
you like a show in Arizona would sell really well,
(35:56):
and you're like, why you go look at the where
that clip was like shove down people's throat. It's in
freaking Arizona, And so that's really been a game changer
for me. Is that something you guys feel like you
have to prioritize more so now than you ever have
because it's not natural.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
We've been having yes, we've been having talks about like
coming up with a plan of like especially with this
album coming out, and like we need to, like we
need to start doing it because everybody else is doing it.
If you don't do it, you're just getting left behind
as far, especially like TikTok and at.
Speaker 5 (36:24):
This day and age also it's like the reference TikTok
and social media just in general, it's like you have
to be really careful with what you do put out there,
and at least from my perspective, it's like you watch
friends get canceled just because of an opinion on something,
something gets taken completely out of context, and then potentially
that can ruin your entire career because you said one
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stupid thing that you didn't even mean to come across
that way and then it does.
Speaker 7 (36:49):
So for me personally, it's just you watch.
Speaker 5 (36:52):
People live and die by social media, and it's like
we've done it for so long by trying to let
the music speak for itself. You know, there's a certain
like shameless promote promotion that sometimes feels a little bit
dirty and uncomfortable, Like you want other people to validate you.
You don't want to have to like push yourself and
shove it down people's throats. But the most successful people
are doing that, and it's like you have to figure
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out what it's a healthy balance.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
And it's a weird thing too to watch somebody play
music on TikTok because it's either going to be really
good or again just really cringe and you're like, oh,
what even the approach with how they play it? How
And one of my friends, I don't want to say who,
and I'll just say she. She's like, I really need
to get on TikTok and I need to do more.
But I did one video on TikTok and I felt
(37:35):
so lame. Yeah, she goes, because people can do it
and look cool, she said, But I played and I
just felt like I was trying too hard. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (37:41):
Well, it's like you're trying to make it look like
you're not trying too hard, But at the end of
the day, your lip syncing man at the beginning of
our career is like, oh, if you even use a
track live, it's like, that's not authentic, that's cheating. So
it's like that you have lip syncing to a recording
just doesn't feel authentic because I want you to hear
what I sound like singing it live and we're all
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so you can either tell if I'm a good singer
or not.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
So help me understand this record again. I want to
go back to the bus because I'm so confused. Yeah,
there's record coming out December first, but it's not a
record that you guys are putting out. It's a record
you already did. So I was talking to Mike because
we tried to schedule it a couple of weeks ago,
and I don't know if I got sick or if
you guys did. Why did it? So it wasn't my fault?
Speaker 8 (38:27):
Oh thank god.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
We said we weren't going to do unless we could
be in the new studio.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Got it, okay. I didn't know who it was I was.
I was hoping it wasn't me, but I remember you
guys not being and so I was disappointing because I've
seen you guys in a long time, And I asked Mike,
I Saiday, are they putting out new music? And he
said kind of, And even then I was confused. So,
but you guys are happy it's coming out, yes, so,
(38:53):
and you're promoting that's coming out, but you're also promoting
Better Off, right, Yes, I'm just give you so much
of promoting. I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 5 (38:58):
I think if we, like, if we had just put
out Better Off, then we were about to put out
this other new project that I think we'd be sort
of frustrated just because something we didn't own was could
potentially not take the wind out of ourselves and hurt
the promotion of the stuff that we do own. But
I think since we released the one project right out
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a year ago now and then this other one, we're
not really on any strict timeline with again, Like we're
just excited that the songs that we had literally poured
three years of our lives into, and like we were
getting frustrated making that record because it's like we feel
like it's done, Like can we just wrap this thing up?
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Like how do you mean to feel about this? If
I like it, do you mean to like support it? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Yeah, yeah, like we we are a place where we
need we need it to do well.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
We don't because to help us book more shows, to
help keep the momentum going.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
And before we put out our other EP, what's the
best song on it?
Speaker 7 (39:55):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Well, what kind of breath is the best song on it?
Speaker 3 (39:58):
But yeah, as far as new we already know that one.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
Yeah, my favorite song on the product is a song
called thought About You. I thought about it and Tim
McGraw actually put it out, cut it and released it
as a.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Single after we'd already recorded it.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
But yeah, we record the song called thought about You
and think, thought about Me, thought about God, everything, love is,
everything is.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
I thought about songs the song yea, yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Yeah, So we recorded it and because the Warm Brothers
they're like, dude, check this song out, we're like oh,
and they wanted us to cut it, so we cut it, recorded,
it was gonna be on the album, but when since
the album never came out, Tim McGraw they were like, well, shoot,
you're not gonna do it here, and we'll give it
to Tim mcgrawl and he did it and was top
ten for him.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
So now we're gonna have Now we're gonna have that
on the album. It's our version.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
It's almost like you're covering a song, but we had
a first Yeah, that's funny. And so you don't get
to pick a single and you so they're not really
going to put a single out.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
We're hoping that a song office record will take off
on which one.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
There's a song called how Many Drinks, which is really cool.
That's given another.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Kind of chance turned up.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
How Many Drinks?
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Is it going?
Speaker 2 (41:15):
It's to get me?
Speaker 1 (41:17):
But Batman and Robin is is the coolest song we
have on there because it's the only song we've ever
really written about being dads and having kids, and it's
about our sons, like.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
I'm Batman, He's Robin and our cardboard Batmobile. No one
can stop us still got.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
To go.
Speaker 7 (41:41):
Star.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
So it's not about YouTube, No, it's about it's about
like one of us. No, it's about you and and
E and nurse. I'm Batman, my son.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
That was the track I really though, And I was like,
I'm not asking how much of this Batman love you two?
So you guys wrote this about being a daddy. Did
you ever cry while writing a song?
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Cried when I was writing that song because of it's
because I just you know how much.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
I love my kid.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
I'm an emotional person anyways, and it was just like
it was just it was emotional to say some of
those things when you hear that, when you hear the lyrics,
and you'll understand, like when you or when you listen
to it, you'll understand why you can maybe.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Cry during the song. But it's not like a sad song.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Just touch it. Yeah, it's it's personal.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
And I've never written a song about being a dad,
and so I was saying how I felt with Eric
in there, and we're both new dads, uh to sons,
and so it was just emotional.
Speaker 7 (42:39):
Right.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
We were on a tour bus with Josh Leo, I.
Speaker 5 (42:41):
Think, and Andrew Petrov Petrov and I remember I was
still asleep and Stephen came in and was like, in
the bunk areas, Hey, I just started this awesome song
with Josh.
Speaker 7 (42:50):
You gotta come finish it with me.
Speaker 5 (42:51):
And I remember Josh getting emotional and shedding a few tears,
and it was cool hearing him from his perspective.
Speaker 7 (42:58):
Talk about being a fire.
Speaker 5 (43:00):
And at that time, Dylan, his son, was like twenty
five years old, I guess, but and now Josh is
a grandfather and his son and his inside a baby.
So I distinctly remember that day and then writing that
song and seeing him get emotional about his son, you know,
who was already pretty much grown, and it kind of
put things in perspective for me. And I remember he said,
basically the cliche phrase, don't blink, it'll be over before you,
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before you know it.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Do you feel lucky that he can say, come rite
on the song if they're pretty much done with it,
that they you know, they gids. You gave up fifty
percent writing, you know what I mean? They come hop
on this song here. It was cool.
Speaker 5 (43:33):
They were nice enough to like leave like half of
the first verse and half of the second verse open
so I could contribute and write it from my perspective,
also about my son and things that, you know that
I could take from even my experience with my dad
and him raising me and.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Crazy to see you guys as like adult men. We're
all adult men, but it's just like real kids.
Speaker 7 (43:54):
When we met though.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
Yeah, I hadn't seen you in a while, but you
still look young and you just have more hair.
Speaker 8 (44:00):
The Bobby cast will be right back. This is the
Bobby Cast.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
Are you guys still you still enjoy it?
Speaker 2 (44:15):
Oh? I'm in general I'm obsessed with it.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
Did you have a face? Did you get tired of it? Ever?
Do you have a phase?
Speaker 2 (44:20):
I've never have, really never.
Speaker 7 (44:22):
I never wanted to stop you never, just like I
don't want to do music.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
I wish we were I wish we were at a
higher six, like having more success right now because we
could be doing instead of you know, we're doing other
things to supplement our income, like and that's like stressful
for me because I've only known this and so like
to think of about like having to do something else,
Like Eric's really talented all the other things that I'm not.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
So I'm kind of like, what am I going to
do if this doesn't keep working?
Speaker 7 (44:50):
But no, I hate all those other things that I
might be good at. This is what gives me joy.
Speaker 5 (44:56):
And like again, like I said before, I love creating
something from nothing. It's just an amazing feeling.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
You say you and your wife have other businesses.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
What do you guys?
Speaker 3 (45:04):
What do you do?
Speaker 5 (45:05):
We have a bounce house rental company that's so legit.
We've out white white bounce houses bounce houses.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
Of those two where the dream just to like buy
a bunch of them and just because yeah, those are
things that people always need. I mean it seems yeah,
that's like do you do you ever set do you
set them up? Ever? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (45:25):
Really?
Speaker 3 (45:25):
Oh yeah, how much if I want to want just
for me adult?
Speaker 7 (45:28):
I think we do it for like five four hundred
bucks for hours?
Speaker 3 (45:32):
How many?
Speaker 7 (45:32):
Six hours? That's prett expensive, but they're very nice.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
It's the only white ones really.
Speaker 5 (45:39):
And then my wife does balloons also, like the balloon
art and stuff, not like the Amazon arches and stuff
like that, but she we just did the grand opening
for the Voodoo Donuts.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
And the press.
Speaker 7 (45:50):
Yeah, not like animals, but like just big massive installations
and stuff.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
But she uses like an artistic vision. Yeah, dude, that's awesome.
Speaker 7 (46:00):
Picture done. That's She's just really creative when it comes
to So.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
You guys are doing art, but if you're an artist,
you're kind of an artist. Meaning if anything that I do,
I'll do this, but I'll go do comedy, I'll write
or something. It doesn't matter what I'm doing. I have
that itch to always create something. Yeah maybe good, maybe terrible,
but like I always want to create something. It feels
like you guys have that too, Like, no matter what
the situation is.
Speaker 5 (46:23):
There are other businesses we like design and install themed bars,
like pop up bar type things, Like we did a
couple of hotels in downtown Nashville, like Dream Hotel did
a spring Flower bars.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
How do you even have that idea, that concept to
do that?
Speaker 7 (46:37):
Well, my wife kind of like started it and had
the idea of the stuff.
Speaker 5 (46:40):
She followed online and stuff, and then it was like, Oh,
my husband's really handy and can build anything.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
So you're but you're handy as well, like you can
do very practical things.
Speaker 5 (46:48):
Yeah, Like during COVID, I renovated my hole upstairs put
a studio in, Like I used to do tile and
build decks and renovations and stuff. And it was a
general contractor for a little while.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
So yeah, I can't fix anything, but.
Speaker 7 (47:03):
The bars are fun.
Speaker 5 (47:03):
We just did one over above doghouse on Demumbrians that
It's called high Notes. It's a cannabis themed bar.
Speaker 3 (47:09):
Does it stay there?
Speaker 7 (47:11):
This one does? Yeah. The other ones are like three
to four month installed.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
You enjoy that creative part. It's like writing a song.
I feel like we want to create this and then
when it's done, you kind of look back and go, Okay,
everybody sees this one piece, but you can kind of
see the layers of house it was built.
Speaker 5 (47:25):
Yeah, because for me, I usually walk into an empty
room and then in my mind, I know my wife's
going to come up with some crazy idea and then
I have to kind of bring that back to reality
and figure out a way to make her crazy idea doable.
So like for that bar especially, it was really cool
because I did it kind of in pieces, and we
had like a permitting issue halfway through, so I kind
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of took a break and you got to court and
like watch redesign a few things and do it.
Speaker 7 (47:51):
But it turned out really great, and you know, it's
just another iron in the fire, I guess, but it's
a cool creative outlets.
Speaker 3 (47:57):
Yeah, to do creative things in other space. Yeah, that's
really cool.
Speaker 5 (48:01):
But it also makes me appreciate the music that much
more because those things they pay well, the money is
not an issue, but it's not like there's just something
about making music and coming up with melodies and creating
the bed of instrumentation that goes around that to support
it and to create that emotion that you can't really
do when it comes to like a physical build out
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or something like that.
Speaker 7 (48:22):
So I think it all. My greatest passion in love
will probably always be music.
Speaker 3 (48:26):
I think, when you were twelve, what do you think
you'd be doing right now?
Speaker 1 (48:30):
I was twelve, I think I was going pro, Dude,
I was going pro much more ohing pro basketball is
going to be.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
I was, hands down, I knew it. I already knew
I was going pro.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
What about you?
Speaker 5 (48:42):
Well, now that I understand genetics, I know that I
never had any shot pro athlete. So I'm trying to
get my kid into golf now.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
I already told my kid.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
I'm like, dude, there's there's barely any six feet white
kids in the NBA. We'll let you play while you're
in school, but you should be doing golf football. You
can be six foot and be white football player.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
And I was like, there's none. They're all all they're
all four and six foot five.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
Do you have any grandparents, great grandparents that are tall
that I do? Could accidentally six three.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
Max, I'd be pushing it.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
He'd have to be the greatest little white player in
the world to even make it. But he's an incredible
baseball player. He bets bets both five ten elite baseball
players see. And he's a great quarterback, you know, Baker Mayfield,
quarterback of the ten Bay Buccaneers three and one. He
is He's like not even six feet. I don't think
he might be six feet you know.
Speaker 3 (49:35):
Tell me, I'm on my sports show. I preach Baker. Yeah, Mike,
who said, who's Baker?
Speaker 2 (49:41):
All the way?
Speaker 3 (49:41):
Baker till death. And here's the reason I was gonna say,
you're a razorback right, Yes, well, but my wife's big sooner.
But that's not the problem. The good thing is that
Baker was He grew up in Austin, Texas and listen
to me growing up all through high school. And I
messaged him one time and he was like, hey, man,
I'm a big fans, so I'm a Baker all the way.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
It's all I Yeah, it looks really good.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
So what'd you think you do at twelve?
Speaker 5 (50:07):
Eric, I think I wanted to be a professional soccer player,
But it was right when I was really getting into
the bass guitar, so like that's when I kind of
like it was my first Like my dad was music minister.
We had a lot of like big Christian artists that
would come through our church. We had like big three
to five thousand member church, big megachurch type place that
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was full of legalism and politics. But right besides that,
like that's kind of where I got my first taste
of thinking it'd be kind of cool to play music
and you know, in front of a lot of people
on stage.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
So did you want to be always this? Oh that's awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:41):
I mean I remember being in kindergarten and you do
one of those deals where it's like, what do you
want to be when you grow up? Top three things?
And I wanted to be on the radio, stand up comedian,
and on television, But I don't know what it's like
to not know. Yeah, And I would think when kids
were like I didn't know, I don't know what I
want to do. We in college like I don't know
what I want to do. It was like someone speaking
a foreign language because I always knew exactly what I
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wanted to do. Cool, But I think I just wanted
to do that because I was searching for love from
some area and I must have had a little taste
of that early. You're like, oh, I can get people
to let me this way. That's cool by being funny
or by being you know, saying something smart. But yeah,
I've always I've always known this with your dad being musical,
do you feel like it's nurture or nature that you're
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so musical?
Speaker 5 (51:27):
I think both, because he didn't he didn't ever push
me to do it. It's kind of like he gave
me the tools to do it if I wanted to.
And then I think, similar what you said, like being
on stage in front of three thousand person congregation and
hearing people clap for you and then tell you, oh,
that that was really good. You should really think about
singing more like that kind of you get that kind
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of yeah encouragement, nothing like it, and you feel that.
Speaker 7 (51:50):
It's like, holy cow, that's awesome. I want that again.
Speaker 5 (51:52):
So I think I think he would definitely like he
nurtured in the sense that he taught me how to
play my first few guitar chords, taught me basic music theory,
and gave me a good foundation. But I don't think
I ever felt like I was pushed or pulled in
any direction. I felt like it was always like for him,
it was never a full time job because he still
kept his other job while he did all that, even
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though he worked harder at that it seemed like than
his other full time job.
Speaker 3 (52:17):
But do you feel like being exposed to music, even
if you weren't purposefully trying to learn it taught you music.
Speaker 7 (52:25):
I think so yeah.
Speaker 5 (52:26):
And I think I mean, if I look back at
the like some of my most important like core memories,
I associate like music with different time periods of my life.
Like remember like DC Talk in the Christian World an
Audio Adrenaline, and then that was like one of my
first concerts, So when I was like probably like nine
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or ten to like ten or twelve or twelve or
thirteen like that, Like I associate those bands with that
time of my life. And then like my early middle
school and high school years was like all Eagles, all
Tom Petty.
Speaker 7 (52:57):
Then I went through like a hip hop phase.
Speaker 5 (52:59):
So it's like when I look back at my life,
it's like music kind of tells the story and is
the soundtrack for my life. So for me, it's like
I look back at all the music that I was
forced to listen to and then chose to listen to.
And I do think that I really played a huge
role in shaping who I am as a person. But
then also as a musician, and it gave me a
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love I think for all different types of music also,
So I don't know if that no.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
Yeah, when you're saying that, I'm thinking about that twenty thirteen,
twenty fifteen, a little bit of heavy. I mean, that's
part of my bo That song was killing it while
I was confused and running on fumes and breaking every
piece of glass in Nashville. Like just a career. Why,
(53:45):
it's a rough couple of years. But like you're right
that when I heard that song, I was listening to
you guys again just to kind of get in the
space before I walk down here. I was listening to
that song. I was like, man, this feels like when
I was getting in trouble a lot.
Speaker 6 (53:56):
That song feels like, let's take a quick pause for
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Bobby Cast.
Speaker 3 (54:12):
Where did your love music come from?
Speaker 1 (54:14):
So I grew up since I'm a preacher's kid, I
kind of got thrown into singing in the kids choir,
and then the lady thought I could sing good, so
she maybe do the solos, and I didn't want to
do it, and then I would our family would sing
songs at church and harmonize and all this stuff, you know,
And that's kind of how I started learning sing harmonies.
And then I heard smells like Teen Spirit by Nirvana
(54:36):
and I was like, I already could. I already got
piano lesson, so I know now how to play the piano.
So I went to my one friend at school day
I was a guitar player at the church, and I
was like, dude, can you teach me how to play
this song?
Speaker 3 (54:46):
Did you play spell like teen Spirit? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (54:47):
That's the first song I ever learned on piano on guitar,
because so he taught me.
Speaker 3 (54:51):
I was thinking, I had the beautiful arrangement on piano,
got it.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
That's the first song I learned. And then he taught
me on electric through that's it. Yeah, yeah, I'd be
a weird acoustic song. But he pretty much taught me. Yeah,
he taught me. He got me started on playing guitar,
and then I learned from there. So and then Breakfast
at Tiffany's was the second song I ever learned, like
deep blue something yeah yeah, and then and then I
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and then I fell in love with country music not
long after that, and the songwriting aspects of it, and
and with the Warm Brothers having that connection and they
were kind of like my mentors and stuff.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
So that worked out really well.
Speaker 3 (55:26):
So he's not I'm gonna allverybody to do. Okay, So
got six songs on the on Better Better Alf also
a song, Yeah, but it's also the EP, and we
own the masters, so that's fun and they own the
master so stream it, stream stream that and then we're
going to be supportive on December first of the music
that comes out. And I feel like now I finally
have the clarity to be supportive.
Speaker 7 (55:47):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 3 (55:47):
I didn't know, but I didn't know what you wanted
me to do. You want me to be supportive until
a couple.
Speaker 2 (55:52):
Of weeks ago.
Speaker 7 (55:53):
We didn't really care we wanted to do.
Speaker 3 (55:55):
So I was confused even when I was reading the notes,
like I don't understand I'm not supposed talk about the record,
and he's like, we'll just ask him. So I can't
wait to hear it, and if something's awesome on it,
I'm gonna play it. Thank you, yeah, and want to
see what happens.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
And it was cool.
Speaker 5 (56:09):
I mean Jim ed Norman is a legendary producer also,
so to work with Josh who had done Alabama and
the original version of Fishing in the Dark, and then
have Don Henley's best friend basically you know, working with us,
and oh well, when I was arranging strings on Desperado,
I would have made this chord choice, but you know,
for this time to do this, and they hear him
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tell stories about Glenn Fry, and like then hear Josh
talk about Glenn Fry and Jimmy Buffett when he's playing
guitar for both of them. It's like it was one
of the most surreal, cool record making processes I'd like
to hear.
Speaker 3 (56:41):
But it was also a long time ago though, right
it was. That's also crazy too.
Speaker 7 (56:45):
It was six seven years ago.
Speaker 5 (56:47):
But I think that that album represents that time in
our career, in our lives really well. And I think
that's probably why we're most excited for it to come out,
because those songs that we did, right, like, you can
tell like from that record to the kind of the
newer stuff that we're doing now.
Speaker 7 (57:01):
It's it's a little bit different.
Speaker 5 (57:03):
It has a little bit more of a throwback sound
to it, and I think it showcases kind of where
we were at in our career in our lives and
it shows the growth.
Speaker 1 (57:10):
And it still flies though. I mean it still sounds current,
which is good. Our new stuff is just it's just
a little different.
Speaker 3 (57:16):
But let's get some of that stuff on social media. Boys. Yeah,
and don't look back, meaning because I look back, I
look back at post I'm like, oh, ain't doing very well,
So I'm my suck. You can't do that. I got
to get better at that. I post up, just let
it just need lot left for a month and then
go look.
Speaker 5 (57:30):
Well, in every other aspect of my life, I'm really
good at that, like just not living in the past
or the future, just kind of living in the president,
enjoying all of it. But then when it comes to music,
it's like I'm hyper analytical about all of it.
Speaker 3 (57:42):
Do you gets play golf?
Speaker 2 (57:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (57:43):
Stuff really that we added it to our writer, so
they build you a golf course.
Speaker 1 (57:49):
So looking that you want to come play show you're
you're like, yeah, okay, we took a bunch of things off,
so our writers like you know, Sharpie's gum and off
and like in a round of golf for four.
Speaker 2 (58:00):
So it's super fun. We getting to play.
Speaker 1 (58:02):
We're playing poppy Hills next week, which is a heavily
beach course. So it's like sick we played played Sawgrass
because of our new found a better golfer.
Speaker 2 (58:12):
No, Eric Han's down?
Speaker 3 (58:13):
Are you pretty good?
Speaker 7 (58:15):
Keep?
Speaker 2 (58:16):
He's good?
Speaker 3 (58:16):
Nobody good everisds are good? So the fact that he's
saying that you have you played Bobby Hills? Oh hey,
read reopened the curten.
Speaker 7 (58:25):
Here you simulator over here? Oh wow, yeah it's I
got a bonner. Yeah, it's awesome here. I've been trying
to follow your golf career since.
Speaker 3 (58:39):
You know, I'm trying to be a golf influencer now
even though I suck. It's my new my new passion.
Speaker 7 (58:44):
But I stopped drinking, and then I got addicted to golf,
so you.
Speaker 3 (58:48):
Know, and as much of a half joke, like I
have so much addiction in my family that I'm addicted
to stuff, but just not I know, if I drink,
I'd be I'd be the best drinker ever, I'd win
every drinking. I would just be a sport i'd create,
I'd be a drinking influencer. I would just go full end.
But I have those that I do positive, so I
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because there's gonna be something I have a super addicted personality,
and golf is that.
Speaker 7 (59:13):
Yeah. It's such a beautiful game. It's like you have,
it's you in a station.
Speaker 3 (59:17):
It's awful.
Speaker 7 (59:18):
You know, it's a one person to blame. It's the
best mental exercise. And I do it to myself every day.
Speaker 3 (59:23):
Why do you come home mad? It's something you go
voluntarily do And I'm like, what do you come when
you're so pissed about how you play? But you wanted
to go do it? You practice, you buy the clothes,
you watch the videos, you have a simulator, and then
you go and you build up to doing it, and
you come when you're mad. Why do you keep doing
that to yourself? I don't know.
Speaker 7 (59:45):
True.
Speaker 3 (59:46):
Well, guys, uh, congratulations on the record coming out December first.
I hope it really does big things, that allows bigger,
bigger things.
Speaker 7 (59:53):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (59:54):
I think that's that's that's what I hope to And
you don't step on my golf simulator. It's not today.
It's not ready for you today.
Speaker 7 (01:00:02):
Okay, it's not ready.
Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
We should play sometime. Do you guys live in town?
Speaker 7 (01:00:06):
Yeah, I'm in.
Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
I'm you have to say where you live. You're good,
I'm up thirty five minutes north of town. Okay, I
almost let that one out, so it's not so.
Speaker 7 (01:00:13):
I can be to any golf course in time in
fifteen minutes.
Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
Can you love me fair enough? Congratulations on the record,
coming out and Instagram at Love and Theft TikTok Love
and Theft Official, where you're going to start seeing more
authentic on let me see Unaffected like that music, because
you're going to start You're committing to me. Now, you're
going to start putting more up there. We're going to
(01:00:36):
all right, awesome, good to see you guys, you
Speaker 8 (01:00:37):
Too, Thank you, thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast
production
Since the album never came out Tim McGall They were like, well, shoot,
you're not gonna do it here, we'll give it to
Tim mcgrawl, and he did it and was top ten
for him, So.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Now we're gonna have that on the album. It's our version.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
It's almost like you're covering a song.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
But we had a first first Yeah, episode four nineteen
with Love and Theft.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Follow them at Love and Theft on Instagram. Let's roll
through some number ones angel ees. So it's either number
ones or some of their biggest hits, which, man, these
songs are awesome. You kind of forget about songs after
like six years, but then you remember them again after
like twelve. There's like that one little gap where you
forget all the good songs. But man, they had so
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many great songs. Run Away Whiskey on my breath, Man,
that song was a jam and they'll run it out
of air.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
And I want to run away.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I was singing now one of them during the interview
and I couldn't quite get it, but man, that song
was so good. It's Eric and Steven. We start off,
and it really wasn't a planned thing, but I saw that, Hey,
Steven Taylor swift from Back in the Day was about
Stephen Barker Lyles, the guy from Love and Theft. I
had no idea. Yeah, I only knew because I saw
it on Instagram right before then Better Off the EP
(01:30):
is out. Now here's their single called better Off lo
Bab and there's an interesting thing happening with their new album.
They're not putting it out and so I kind of
didn't know how to feel about it. And you can
tell all my confusion. I don't know to promoted or not.
But Love and Theft we moved to town. This is
a couple of the first guys that I and I
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met first, knew first, and they're back in fun fact,
because you hear it later on. We talked about golf
a little bit and so I got Eric's number and
I text him the next day. I said, Hey, you
want to call a golf at like three, And He's like,
I'm already on the golf course, So all right. I
was like, you're they're already. Don't worry about it. All right?
(02:12):
There you go at Love and Theft. Here we go,
Episode four nineteen. It's Love and Theft on the Bobby Cast.
It's been a long time serious. Been a long time,
so I've seen you guys. Yeah, I guess how long
has it been since all three of us have been together?
Seven years? Probably eight years?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Maybe a radio remote interview somewhere at CRS.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Yeah, maybe I saw. I did not know, And you
can tell me if I'm if I'm right or wrong here,
but I'm not. I don't know all Taylor's old music
that that hey, Steven always about you? Yeah? Am I dumb?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
No? Did she re release it well when she redid
her Yeah, so she read my versions. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
You see what would suck is if she didn't put
it on them. Yeah, that would be my fear, not
that she would put it out again, that she wouldn't
put it out again. If there was one that she
didn't even do it, like, I'd be checking, like come on,
Like it wouldn't matter, but I'll be like, come on, please,
let's redo the song.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
So it's a nice song.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
I mean, I don't even know that I've ever heard it.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Oh, it's like the nicest song you can write about
one buddy. Yeah, So that was cool.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Love and Theft signed as an opening act for Taylor
Swift's two thousand and eight tour and Stephen Barker Lyles
is the subject of Hey Stephen, which appears on Swift's
two thousand and eight album Fearless.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
Stephen Live People was leaving nothink you and nashall stay
the same?
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Have you heard the one I wrote about you?
Speaker 6 (03:39):
No?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
That's quite Hi Stephen? But I recorded on that Bobby Special.
So you guys, it's been what seven years since you
put out new music? Is that?
Speaker 6 (03:47):
Well?
Speaker 5 (03:47):
We put out an EP last summer kind of just
to bridge the gap between some of the music we
had already recorded, like we were on Curb Records for
a few years, like from twenty sixteen, like twenty nineteen,
I guess and recorded a few a whole record for them,
and a couple songs came out, and then they told
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us that they weren't really sure what they were gonna
do with the.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Record, so they shelved the rest of it pretty much.
So where are those songs now? They're and they're all.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
That's a hard drive over there. But we actually just
found out that they're releasing that record we made for
them back all the way back then seven years ago.
They're releasing it on December first, a.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
New Music director came in and heard the album. It's like,
why have they not put why did we not put
this out? And know everybody's like, I don't know, hold on, yes,
so you're.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Not with them anymore. No, you recorded a record that
they shelved. They still have it and they're going to
now put it out and it's still going to be
Love and Theft yep. Yeah, but how would they expect
you to support it it all?
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I think they're I think that we're gonna have to
do most of the promotion for it because they're not
going to take anything to radio, they said.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
I mean they are they doing it? Is? If why?
It helped me understand their reasoning. So if you're a
record label and you have this shelved music, you could
sell it back to you guys. I mean I had
a deal, like a comedy deal with the Black River
for a long time. I just bought my music back
because I was like, you know what, I don't even
need a deal now. If you know I'm getting radio plane,
I wasn't I want a radio play. I'm just by myself,
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you know play. So I bought it back so I
don't have to pay them any part of touring or anything.
I don't understand what they're getting by just putting out
a record on you guys, If like you're not down.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
If I trying to make some of the money back
that they spent on the record.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Yeah, right off. It's like Mike, did they put out
like a Superwoman or whatever Batgirl and they just never
put it out and they just wrote the whole thing.
I'm shocked. Are you guys upset about that?
Speaker 5 (05:43):
We're Excitingly, we're kind of excited because it's one of
our favorite projects we've ever worked on. I mean we
made it with Josh Leo and Jim ed Norman who
was running Curb at the time. He's the guy that
signed us over there, and we were pumped about it.
I mean we also spent a lot of money making
that record. I mean Jim of running the label, and
it was like he would just get in there and
kind of tinker with stuff. And there's lots of studio time,
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lots of different musicians and stuff. So we're excited about it.
We just don't really know what it's gonna look like exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
And guess what you all this they're throwing whisky out
my breath on it because they bought the rights to
that all those years ago.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
And they're putting that on there.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
That's wild.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah, that's wild.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (06:22):
So we kind of don't really know about it.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Like if you guys are all working on this together
and you guys are like, we hate them they're putting
we don't want to put our music out, and they're like, Okay,
just keep that act going because that what you talking about.
That would be the most brilliant thing ever. What if
it ends up being a big success, do you go
it all?
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Signe?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
That's a great question.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I mean, what do they want to Like, Hey, by
the way, we think the song s would go to
radio right, well, then we'll go on to radio to
or I don't know, you know, we don't really don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
We're just pumped it's coming out.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
We have a song on there about our kids that
we thought was never no one's ever going to hear.
There's some other song we wrote almost over half the things.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Could you go and re record it if you wanted
to the same songs like Taylor did and have it
yourself now? I don't know.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
I think technically because we've reached contractually the point of
like where no re record.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
And now they're putting it out without you guys actually
being a part of it, and they're just hoping that
you'll be a part of it and them some money.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
And they also like they knew that we wanted it
to be released, Like my sister is A and R
over there, and wait what my sisters now A and
R over there?
Speaker 3 (07:26):
And at the label, you're not even on any She wasn't.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
Really and R when we were there, was she maybe
she was early kind of like Jim Ed's assistant.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
So she's actually been helping us get like push it
forward to get it released.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Now I think I'm rooting for you guys. I don't
know how to feel. How do we feel about this?
We want that record to do well? We do you do?
We're okay, we're rooting for it.
Speaker 7 (07:48):
It would be great for our career. It doesn't really
proud of it. I mean it's true.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Yeah, it's a big part of our life and yeah,
those songs were songs that we never thought would see
the light of day.
Speaker 7 (07:58):
So we're pretty we're excited about that aspect of it.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
And I will say we are, like we're one of
the few artists they actually let go because we approached
them I think the right way. You know, they have
this person of not letting people off the label and
so no, we well we were upset they didn't give
us a radio tour and and do all that, but
like we were just glad they let us go because like,
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how we going to pay our bills if we're not
releasing music and so they let us go free and clear,
and so that was actually nice because we're like.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
No, I like them again. Roller coaster of emotions in
every direction so far. So the last seven years, I
want to say, I'm put out new music. I mean
a new like a new, full, new record. So but
you had one, That's thing I didn't know. I didn't
know you had one done. So that are you working
on other new Now? I'm confused as to what's new
and what you own and what's not. Is there is
(08:50):
there stuff that you guys own yourselves that's coming out too?
Speaker 5 (08:53):
There is so this last little EP we put out
last summer, we own all that published and you produced that. Yeah,
al did that, and then we've got another nine songs
it's almost done with. Also, so trying to figure out
like when's the right time to release that, Yeah, we
don't shoot ourselves in the foot and kind of what.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
If you released it against yourself, that'd be awesome. It's
a battle Loven Tith Records And as you versus you,
how long have you guys.
Speaker 7 (09:17):
Been together now last seventeen years?
Speaker 3 (09:20):
You guys still enjoy enjoy each other.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yeah, we'll get play lots of golf on the road together.
It's our favorite friends. That's our favorite thing to do
on the road. It's play golf.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Have you guys like faded in and out? Meaning my
show has been together twenty years, and there have definitely
been seasons where we've been extremely close, and there have
been seasons where kind of in the middle we weren't
so close. And then you kind of realize why I've
been together for so long, we should like appreciate this more.
And now we're like super close again because you start
to value, you know, really the years that you've been together.
(09:47):
So you guys been down that thing a couple of times.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
I mean, I don't think we've ever gotten to the
point where like either of us wanted to go do
something different or I mean we've been fortunate like most duos,
most bands like have a falling out of some sort
Like we've never actually had any like serious fights or
like knocked down, you know, drag out arguments or anything
like that. We've been pretty fortunate.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
So you're here for how long until you guys meet Stephen?
How long were you in Nashville?
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I think I was here for I was here for
probably a year and a half and then I met
him initially, but we didn't start a band or start
writing yet.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
We were put together by Robert.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Ellis Earl and Jeff Cope and two producers in town,
and we were going trying to find band members for
our They were putting together this four Eagles pop country band.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Was the goal that everybody could play something like everybody
had to have their own You got to be able
to play and sing and if you have to do
a solo, you can beat Timothy or you can be
So that was number right.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
And so they're like, hey, we're we're looking for a
fourth and they're like, hey, do you know this guy
Eric Gunderson. I'm like, yeah, actually I just met him
not long ago. He came in, played a few songs.
Three of us and our two producers went outside and
it was pouring down rate. We're standing there just awning,
and then and we were like, hey, so what do
you think you environment to be the band?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
In the band and was like yeah yeah. So we
go inside and like, hey, you want to be in
the band.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
He's like, I got a base a bass player. Note,
we got a base. So is that your version of
a two eric? Is that you remember it for sure?
You remember the rain and everything?
Speaker 7 (11:19):
Yep? I remember what I got in.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Like we were all like kind of discovered by these
producers in different ways, Like they'd made like a craigs
a Craigslist post, they had made MySpace posts and they
actually like found me and one of the other guys
through my Space and I still have the exact same
MySpace account hasn't changed still.
Speaker 7 (11:41):
Anymore so in my top eight though. Still you know
I'm still in there.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
There's four of you. And is it Love and Theft?
At very first that the name of the bandit Verson.
Speaker 7 (11:52):
We went through a ton of different names.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yeah, what was the very first name that you settled on?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
What was it wasn't the eighty fourth four?
Speaker 3 (12:01):
That's kind of cool, so we thought that was Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
I like that.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
That's because sometimes you hear and you're like, oh, crang
because it feels But now that's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I like it.
Speaker 7 (12:09):
At the time, it felt kind of cringey, just because
we were all like we were all the new young.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Guys in town, and like everybody that was kind of
trying to be competitive at that time was born around
the same time.
Speaker 7 (12:20):
But now it's like we're one of the few bands
left that's been doing it that long.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Like, yeah, that's pretty cool. What else? What did you
go to from there?
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Vinyl Sons?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Okay, so that's how I feel about that. I thought
I was gonna feel about the first one. Yeah, it
was pretty tough.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
And then we were like we tossed around the name
Banderson Lyle's or something like that. It's a combination of
all of our last names. And then and then I
think actually our old third member, we were like, well,
we need a better name.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
So did you do any shows under those names? Or
was that just what you were like in town? Just
like just so there's somewhere there's like a graphic with
probably the eighty fourth or Banderson.
Speaker 7 (12:56):
Lyles and Brian are the third member.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
He was super creative, been like very arty as far
as like his drawings and his artistic style, so he
would and he was a graphic design major, I think
for a couple of years in college, so he would
do all of our like show posters and stuff. And
I still got a few of those saved. That's a
hard d that's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
And Love and Theft was that those was that name
suggested with them together, like how did that come about?
Speaker 2 (13:19):
It's a Bob Dylan album.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
The album they got their name inspiration from on the
Grammy Award for Best Contemporary Folk Album. It's forty fourth
annual Grammy Awards. It was nominated for Album of the Year,
and the track Honest with Me was nominated for Best
Male Rock Vocal Performance Honest.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
So and Brian actually is like we went we were starting,
We're like, we need to find a real name, guys,
because things are starting to happen. And so he was
going through some discographies and it's like, dude, what about
that Bob Dylan album Love and Theft? And we were like, man,
that's a pretty good name. So and you can't patent
like song titles or album titles, but so and he
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got it from like an old book or something, so.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I'll copy right. Yeah, it' thought it'll be funny to
do a record of like a song called Stairway to Heaven,
but it's about a literal stairway, and people are looking
for the real version, but you can't copyrighted song title.
So right off a Stairway to Heaven, you go down
one spot and here's a little something called help you know,
And then right after that, here's a little something called Freebird.
(14:23):
But you know, it's literally and so it's a whole
all the classics, but they're all different. You're just getting
lucky because people are searching for the real song. That's
how about that record Curb.
Speaker 7 (14:35):
We actually on this record had.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
A song called need to Breathe, and like that's kind
of what we were hoping, like, Oh, people, they'll see
the song and maybe they'll listen to it.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
How'd you guys feel about being four people in a
group at first when you didn't really move to town
to be a full band, and yeah, you were here
to sort of do a duo thing, and Steven, you
were here just trying to make music. But that's that's
a whole different dynamic.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yeah, it's it's a lot, but it was fun for
us because when the four of us played our guitars
and one person on a piano, or so three guitars
one piano, and if you have three part harmony, it's
like it's a lot. Because we both grew up in church.
You know, I'm prettyer skid too, so that's all. I'm
just used to doing that.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
So I'm sure it sounds good. But the dynamic of
four people, especially when you didn't grow up and know
why you love or can't stand each other, right, because
that's important even with best friends. You know, Mike and
are together a lot, but we definitely know where the
sensitive parts are and you know what parts aren't. And
now you're with three others that you did not grow
up with that you did not move here with. I mean,
(15:35):
I think just a band dynamic itself is extremely hard,
and that's why you don't see a lot of bands
stay together successfully for a long time.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Eric and I hit it off right away, though, so
that helps. So we always had each other in that aspect.
That's probably why we decided to take it out and
keep it going.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
And even the fourth guy, Chris, he was like within
six months, I think he realized like it wasn't for
a while, this isn't for me, I want to be
a solo artist. He immediately went back and made his
own solo record and then decided he didn't want to
do music at all anymore.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I felt that too, though, I mean I totally get
that too.
Speaker 7 (16:03):
And it makes sense. But and it worked out.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
We kind of just went with it and let it
kind of develop and evolve how it was supposed to,
and we didn't really ever find it. Even when Brian
decided that he wanted to do his own solo project,
they were like, all right, for I spent money two
ways instead of three ways, and.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
I don't think of you guys anything but a duo.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Do people think still remember? Do they still like, oh
did they picture he was a trios at all?
Speaker 5 (16:26):
I think some of our virginal fans that met us
when we were on tour with Taylor Swift, I think
they still have this, you know, vision of us is okay.
It was three guys on the stage acoustic, and that's
how they always remember us.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
The only lasted one album, though, It's like we've been
doing a lot more since.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Would you sign a deal with three of you?
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Our first deal was with the three of us? And
then when we signed at RCA. It was the three
of us, and then literally the day actually that was
the deal. Memo was for three of us, and the
day we were supposed to sign it. He called us
that morning and said, hey, guys, I don't really feel
comfortable doing this. I don't think I want to play
in a country band anymore. It's like, I'm passionate about
rock music. I want to try this.
Speaker 7 (17:06):
So we're like, all right, let's go see if Jim
Cain go for this.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Thank God. By the way, is Dave Grol. Yeah, yeah,
you left you guys and did his solo thing. It's
pretty cool.
Speaker 7 (17:16):
He's having a little success.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
He's not pretty good, So do you worry that he's
not going to want a duo? Whenever he wanted to
sign a trio? Is that a fear of yours at all?
There was.
Speaker 7 (17:25):
It was definitely a fear of ours.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Yet they had Brooks and done, and we had heard
that there were rumblings that they were going to be
breaking up and kind of getting off the label.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
Think Montgomery Gentry at the time had just gotten off
the label, so there was room for a duo. So
we kind of just walked in there with our fingers crossed,
and he was like, all right, well I don't see
that really changing anything, and he went with it, and
within six months, Angelis was out.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Angels Man, think about that.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
You're in a group six months earlier, you just said
Anne for me. Six months later, that songs freaking killing
Yeah a little bit. And sure he probably made a decision,
you guys, made a decision based on what made everybody's
mental health better. He didn't want to do it, you get,
(18:23):
but I mean, there's got to be a little bit
of it. Why didn't I just stay six more months?
Did all there on that song specifically? Because again I
think that was my introduction to you guys, A little
bit of Heaven and an angel that Yeah, that song specifically?
Who wrote that song?
Speaker 7 (18:39):
I wrote it with Eric Pasley and Jeff Copeland.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Okay, so whenever you guys were cutting it, was it
always written to be eleven Deft song?
Speaker 7 (18:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (18:49):
I think when we wrote it for like you wrote
it for you. Yeah, And even when we were recording
it that like I remember Tom Bukobac like it was
just jamming behind the sol He's like, man, of all
these songs, like I really like this one resonates with me.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
It's like it has this cool I.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
Think he referenced Joan Jet And whenever Tom Bukobac gets
excited about something, it's like like, oh, maybe we have
something here because he's playing on every single record, I mean,
one of the best guitar players in the world. I mean,
so to hear him say that kind of stuck with us.
And then Sony wanted to push a different song as
the first single, and every radio station we went to
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everywhere was like, hey, you start if you come with
this single, we'll start playing it tomorrow. And we begged
Josh E. Sler and then Keith Gale to switch the single,
and they finally did.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Like, so they had to pick another song. Wasn't they
just wanted to like they had led with a different song.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yeah, we were on radio too, or pushing another song?
Speaker 3 (19:44):
What was that song?
Speaker 7 (19:45):
She's amazing?
Speaker 3 (19:46):
And so they pivoted and how fast did that song
actually get some real teeth and it's actually to like
get in the thirties.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
It was actually pretty quick, like cause like our second
single and the third single, I guess it was just
a second single over at Lyric Street. It was like
our fastest moving song, and Angelis actually moved really quick,
like kind of into the top forty, and then it
was a real battle from like forty to twenty.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
That's the monk, yeah, trying to get out of that
muck because everybody's fighting responsor.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
But then as you know, there's that muck kind of
trying to just get on in a chart and also
which I know that's changed now and.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
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Speaker 8 (20:37):
And we're back on the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
So when did it get really like unbelievably cool, Because
there's a phase even in my career, there's a phase
where I'm like, I'm wide eyed and I feel like
I can take on the world, and then I kind
of realized I can't. I've been fed a little bit
of humble pie a couple of times, and then I
started to have some success and I'm like, oh my god,
this is what it's like to actually when was that
(21:02):
face for you guys whenever you go through it, but
you're like, we are this is kind of weird. This
is so cool. It's got to be when Angelizes started
to really hit, like we're able to feel it when
it's top fifteen. Yeah, the show's getting bigger and you're like,
this is crazy one percent.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Yeah, yeah, because we were started doing our own filling
our own clubs, which normally we would open for someone
else the club for you guys.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Tim mcgralso was awesome for us because I he was
like the person I like grew up listening to and
loved the song writers that wrote records and all that.
So we got to do that and the Warren Brothers
got us on that tour and we did a whole
tour with him.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
That was pretty much. That was that big for me.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
When was it for you?
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Eric?
Speaker 3 (21:41):
That you just kind of can't believe how cool it's getting.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
I think probably like you said, once Angelis got kind
of top thirty and you started seeing people show up
really really early and standing in line for shows and
singing every word to a record when there's only been
a couple songs on the radio, That's that's when I
think for me, I was like, Wow, who really like this?
Like maybe, and I think you also in the business
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at that time it was like if you could just
figure out a way to get a number one record
like that was that was the benchmark that you had
to get to to have any type of long lasting success,
it seemed like. And then at the time it seemed like, Okay,
you get a number one and then they just start
flowing and coming after that, and then we realized that's
really not how it works. It's like you have to,
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you know, grind and work your hardest for every song.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
And it does seem like that from Afar that it's well,
if you get one, they kind of opened the door
of the secret club and then you're just allowed twenty right,
But I ain't really like that. Yeah, it ain't really
like that. So Angelize goes and crushes. What'd you guys
come with? After that?
Speaker 7 (22:47):
We came with a song called running out of Air
right after Angelize.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Like we were running out of it? Well, I know
that song.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
It was more like on like the pop rock side.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Yeah, I think I really liked that song.
Speaker 7 (23:08):
Yeah, that's it kind of had like a cool, different
kind of more more pop rock vibe.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
I was here by then. I had like twenty fourteen,
twenty fifteen something like that.
Speaker 7 (23:18):
Yeah, twenty fourteen.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Man, that's crazy to hear those songs makes me feel
like you ever hear a song and you're just kind
of back in that spot.
Speaker 7 (23:24):
Oh yeah, that's a cool thing about music. It's like
our music. It's like when we play it, even in
a live show, it's like I go.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Back to, you know, when we released that in my head,
and it's it's fun to relive all those memories.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
When you guys were killing it. I was such an
idiot here in this town. How such an idiot? Just
like I had no idea I was getting find a
million bucks doing things I probably I wrote about in
my first book. But it's like, you guys are almost
a soundtrack to my idiot days. You know. Yeah, I
congratulations from respective it was supposed to be.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
It was fun watching you come in and do things
on your own terms, like because we had been, you know,
on everybody's morning shows, like, and you came in there
are no rules, like, you just did it how you
wanted to do it. And I think that's what was
always so inspiring and still is to me when I
look at you in your career, it's just impressive because
you didn't seem to give a shit what anyone else thought,
and you just did you.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
You know, I think it was I wasn't that talented,
so I couldn't act like I cared. So I just
did it the only way I could, like get by,
and people are like looking at me, such a rebel,
and I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'm a rebel, look at me.
So Angelize hits man, that love it Air. I could
listen to that song run out of Air? That almost
a jam. Do you write that one?
Speaker 7 (24:34):
No, we didn't. That was actually Josh Osbourne and Shane
McAnally and Matt Jenkins.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
That's like the early days of Josh and Shane. How
far did that song go?
Speaker 7 (24:44):
Got into the twenties on the chart.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
And they didn't release it for like three months after
Angelize was like number one, and they waited a sore spot.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
All right, now let's get it in. They waited three
months though, why would they do that? We have no
clothes still, but no, really, why would they do that?
Let's see about it.
Speaker 7 (24:57):
You gotta take a man, Gary Overton. Little period at
Sony in between Jogoi.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Was a shift in management over at the Yes and
so you'd think you guys got lost in that mix
or not prioritized, because they were prioritizing shifting in and
out that CEOs.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
I think that was part of it.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
I mean, Gary Overton signed us to our first publishing
deal at EMI, and we thought like, oh, he liked
our music, he liked our writing.
Speaker 7 (25:26):
He signed us over here.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Maybe he's gonna bring that same energy over to you know,
being the chairman at Sony, and we thought it was
going to be a really good situation. I think I
wouldn't say he got in over his head, but he
just was being pulled in a million different directions. He
had just signed I think three or four different female
solo artists and they hadn't really broken a new female
in a while, so I think like Joanna Smith and
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Kristin Kelly and a couple others like they just he
was like, nope, we're putting out these three singles before
we put out the next Love and Theft.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
So it was number one.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
Yeah, it was four months that we waited before we
put that out, and we lost it seemed like we
lost all the momentum.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
So I would say that's enough of a time period
in this at least to how this industry was then
to lose all momentum. It felt that it almost feel
like you're having to start over again, if.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
That's how it felt, and it didn't. I didn't feel
like there were I think maybe to radio, and some
of our friends at radio were like, it didn't seem
like he had the confidence in your and y'all.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
That he looked like to Like people are adding the records,
They're like, well, if they're not gonna sure, they're not
going to prioritize themthing my playlist isn't either.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Is that frustrating for you guys?
Speaker 5 (26:35):
I mean, I think it was frustrating, But then I mean,
I guess everything happens for a reason. So looking back
on it, it's like, Okay, well, maybe if we had
put it out a couple months earlier, we could have
written the coattails of our own song, and maybe that
would have helped us get into the chart a little
bit sooner.
Speaker 7 (26:51):
And something like Pizza or something like that that I
think got top thirty.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Whenever you have a song that's really assive, like Angelize,
let's say you guys never put out another song after
Agilize ever. Could you tour on that the success of
that song and just play shows forever? I think, yeah,
that's a good chance.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah there is, but it's it wouldn't be. I don't
think it would pay our bills at this point, but
it would. You still get to go do shows based
off of Oh yeah, I remember that song?
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Yeah, because it was so big. Do you ever I
heard it at Kroger the other day.
Speaker 7 (27:27):
I heard it this morning at Target.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Really yeah, that's and it's also like what they call
it recurrent, meaning the song was so big then and
it still sounds so good to play as of what
they call an older song, like that's cool, it's still
played in freaking Kroger or Target because I can play anything.
That list of songs you can play a Kroger or
Target is five thousand songs. Yeah. Yeah, so that's gonna
be pretty cool. Uh, your kids, you're as old at
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a ten ten and then my youngest is four, and
what about you?
Speaker 2 (27:55):
My son is nine and my daughters six.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Okay, so you haven't n that's wild. Yeah, never felt
so old. You guys came in here a nine year old.
I don't know. Do they know how? And I mean
this in a loving way, do they know how? Like
cool their dad's because the dads aren't cool now, it
doesn't matter, it doesn't matter, But do they know how
cool their dads used to be.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Oh, that's a good question. I don't know if mine does.
Speaker 7 (28:18):
You think Camden sort of gets it because you're not
cool now.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
You can't be coold to them. You're when you're seven,
sure your dad, but you're different kind of cool. You're
a superhero. But eventually they're going to know some of
the some of the stuff that you guys.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Like sometimes I show him Blake, sometimes I show him
something like and remind him, Yeah, dude, I did that, bro,
So it's more respectful.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
So what about the Taylor Swift song? Like that? You
got a nine year old that's pretty cool to be like.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yeah, yeah, I think that.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
He she my mommy.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
He knows about it, but I don't know. I'm not
sure he's into Taylor Swift, so it's not as cool
to him. And my daughter hasn't got to that stage
yet of where she is listening to Taylor Swift yet
like that much to her.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
And I think at times, like I don't even really
grasp like how cool it actually is. I mean, she's
the biggest pop star arguably in the world.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
I mean, oh yeah, she continues to get bigger. It's
just weird because she's in her yeah, seventh season being
a celebrity, and she still continues to get bigger. Weird.
It's a weird thing like that. That machine runs really
strong and smoothly over there does And it all started
right here. I mean, obviously you guys went on tour
with her, but I just went about the kids thing,
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like do they think do they come to shows at ten?
And do they think it's cool or they annoyed they
have to go to a show?
Speaker 5 (29:42):
I mean, I think my oldest things it's really cool,
but they both are obsessed with it. So like I
think just seeing us on a big stage is really cool.
Like see mephis this year. We had an awesome crowd
down at the River. It was it was just really cool.
And he came home and got in the cars like that.
Speaker 7 (29:58):
That was awesome.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
That's awesome. That make you feel good.
Speaker 7 (30:00):
That makes me feel really good.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Yeah, dang, that's cool. That's why I want to have
kids one day, so they'll be like, Dad, you're awesome.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Like Eric.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
And he plays the keyboard and plays the piano there,
plays the guitar a little bit too, so like I'm
hoping that like him seeing that kind of stuff, will
make him more passionate about it.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Do you want it? Do you want your kids to do?
You want your kids to do music?
Speaker 7 (30:19):
I do?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Really?
Speaker 7 (30:20):
I think so?
Speaker 5 (30:21):
I mean, I mean it's like, I'm a handy guy. Like,
we have a couple of businesses, me and my wife, dude, like,
and I enjoy working with my hands. I enjoy other
creative outlets and stuff. But there's nothing that brings me
as much satisfaction as creating a song from nothing.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Yatisaction pay the bills. You know, in this creative world.
I would never want my kid to do anything creative
because it's such a you shot in the dark.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Even if you're good, it's stressful.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Yeah, even if you're great, you're like And I tell
people a lot for whatever job they want to do
in the arts, everybody wants to do it. That's why
nobody gets paid a bunch. Everybody wants to be a
singer or a comedian or podcast. Everybody wants to do it.
That's why doesn't pay anything because everybody can kind of
do it. But it's the people that can do it
really well, but can find that special connection. But what
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does that even mean?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
You know?
Speaker 3 (31:10):
It's like actors who can't get on insurance, Like you
get to make a certain amount of money just to
get on insurance.
Speaker 7 (31:16):
And after I've battled that for years, and it's.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Like there's some really talented people that for some reason
just can't even get to the point where they can
get insurance. So I'll be like, don't do anything creative,
like learn math. That's what I would tell my kids.
But that's really cool that you guys are so supportive
and your kids doing music, because I feelin like I
was just so lucky to I worked hard. Don't get
me wrong, but you have to there's just something that
(31:41):
you can't really pinpoint when it comes to why creative
things work. So the fact that you can tell your
kids to do it, good for you guys. They must
feel confident in yourselves. I have no confidence in me.
Maybe that's why I don't feel like I would tell
my kid to do that.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
And I don't know for me personally, Like I battled
imposter syndrome even still after doing it for twenty years,
it's like, am I good enough? There's so many talented
people in this town. It's like you constantly are second
guessing yourself. But I think that also sharpens your brain,
it drives you, affects your work ethic, and then so
I don't know if my son is passionate about music
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and loves it, I don't want to ever discourage anything,
because I mean, I think that's what was so exciting
about all of it For me personally. It was the
unknown and taking a leap of faith and stepping into
something that everyone's telling you isn't gonna work. And then
when it does work, it's that much more rewarding and
you feel a greater sense of accomplishment.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
I think, what was your.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Family like supportive wise, and you're like, I'm gonna move,
We're gonna do the duo deal, see you later, Charlotte.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
I think they were supportive in a sense like I
don't think my mom or my dad thought that it
would work. It's like I think they were both expecting
me to move back within a year because I was
gonna be so discouraged, and I kind of just kept
my head down and knew that it was something that
I wanted. So I was going to work my ass
off almost in a sense, to prove both of them
wrong and show them that hey, I don't have to
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do this. I don't have to go get a degree.
I don't have to do it the way your dad
made you do it. And I think for me it
was almost like I had something to prove to myself ultimately.
But then I also wanted to kind of show my parents, like,
you know what, there's different ways of getting there, and
there's more than one way to get a cat, and
this is how I'm going to do it.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
So yeah, the cats get anything's always weird. I never
had a single person skin a single cat, and I felt, yeah,
I did the cat, same same, but never were actually
a cat. Did you ever almost go back home?
Speaker 7 (33:34):
I never did.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Know, never had a cross a point where you're like,
I'm might have to give this up and just move back.
Speaker 7 (33:41):
Nope.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
I decided I was going to figure out a way,
whether it was on the production engineering side, for the
writing side, I was going to figure out a way
to make a career out of music.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
What about you, Steven, did you ever almost go back home?
I didn't.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
No, I didn't. I never did.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
And once I got here, I was like, oh, this
is it, this is the spot. And what also, my
brother used his graduation money to help pay for us
to move up here. So I have my brother with me,
I canaan with me. My dad was making trips back
and forth. My mom moved up here after I moved
up here after my parents got divorced, so my sister
was with her too, and my little brother.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
You can't leave everybody, that'd be rude. So have you
guys noticed with your music putting it on social media
all or just playing on social media it driving any
sort of ticket sales at all? Specifically from that because
I with my stand up, I never put anything online
because I was like, I don't want to kill jokes
(34:37):
if it's up. The old adage watch can't put a
joke up because if people hear it, you can't tell
it again. But I really noticed in this last tour
when I started to put stuff up, tickets would sell
every time I would post something, because usually would be like, okay,
announcing a tour. Now some of the radio to say
I'm gonna be here, and stuff sales or it doesn't
move on to the life do the shows. Hopefully it's great.
(34:57):
But I would put clips up and then I wouldn't
really know notice in that same time when it woul
put stuff up and if it hit the algorithm too,
A little bit a bad one up. Oh, I blame
the algorithm, the algorithm because the joke wasn't good. I
know that the algorithm. Yeah, but I really saw it.
I really saw numbers change because of what I was
posting on social media because it would catch an algorithm
(35:18):
and people that didn't follow me already would stumble across
it and they would buy tickets. How has that happened
with you guys?
Speaker 2 (35:23):
We actually are horrible as social media, so I don't
know if it's helped or hurt.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
I will say when we do post purposefully, it does definitely,
like you definitely notice an immediate.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Will take it from me. I was like, why am
I even gonna do this? Because my people already know me?
That's what I would think. They're already know me. They
were going to come with they want to come. But man,
I started, and it would just take like a clip
to catch just to catch that way of that algorithm
because who knows who knows why it is? By the way,
you never know what's going to blow up. And then
you like a show in Arizona would sell really well,
(35:56):
and you're like, why you go look at the where
that clip was like shove down people's throat. It's in
freaking Arizona, And so that's really been a game changer
for me. Is that something you guys feel like you
have to prioritize more so now than you ever have
because it's not natural.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
We've been having yes, we've been having talks about like
coming up with a plan of like especially with this
album coming out, and like we need to, like we
need to start doing it because everybody else is doing it.
If you don't do it, you're just getting left behind
as far, especially like TikTok and at.
Speaker 5 (36:24):
This day and age also it's like the reference TikTok
and social media just in general, it's like you have
to be really careful with what you do put out there,
and at least from my perspective, it's like you watch
friends get canceled just because of an opinion on something,
something gets taken completely out of context, and then potentially
that can ruin your entire career because you said one
(36:45):
stupid thing that you didn't even mean to come across
that way and then it does.
Speaker 7 (36:49):
So for me personally, it's just you watch.
Speaker 5 (36:52):
People live and die by social media, and it's like
we've done it for so long by trying to let
the music speak for itself. You know, there's a certain
like shameless promote promotion that sometimes feels a little bit
dirty and uncomfortable, Like you want other people to validate you.
You don't want to have to like push yourself and
shove it down people's throats. But the most successful people
are doing that, and it's like you have to figure
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out what it's a healthy balance.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
And it's a weird thing too to watch somebody play
music on TikTok because it's either going to be really
good or again just really cringe and you're like, oh,
what even the approach with how they play it? How
And one of my friends, I don't want to say who,
and I'll just say she. She's like, I really need
to get on TikTok and I need to do more.
But I did one video on TikTok and I felt
(37:35):
so lame. Yeah, she goes, because people can do it
and look cool, she said, But I played and I
just felt like I was trying too hard. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (37:41):
Well, it's like you're trying to make it look like
you're not trying too hard, But at the end of
the day, your lip syncing man at the beginning of
our career is like, oh, if you even use a
track live, it's like, that's not authentic, that's cheating. So
it's like that you have lip syncing to a recording
just doesn't feel authentic because I want you to hear
what I sound like singing it live and we're all
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so you can either tell if I'm a good singer
or not.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
So help me understand this record again. I want to
go back to the bus because I'm so confused. Yeah,
there's record coming out December first, but it's not a
record that you guys are putting out. It's a record
you already did. So I was talking to Mike because
we tried to schedule it a couple of weeks ago,
and I don't know if I got sick or if
you guys did. Why did it? So it wasn't my fault?
Speaker 8 (38:27):
Oh thank god.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
We said we weren't going to do unless we could
be in the new studio.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Got it, okay. I didn't know who it was I was.
I was hoping it wasn't me, but I remember you
guys not being and so I was disappointing because I've
seen you guys in a long time, And I asked Mike,
I Saiday, are they putting out new music? And he
said kind of, And even then I was confused. So,
but you guys are happy it's coming out, yes, so,
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and you're promoting that's coming out, but you're also promoting
Better Off, right, Yes, I'm just give you so much
of promoting. I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 5 (38:58):
I think if we, like, if we had just put
out Better Off, then we were about to put out
this other new project that I think we'd be sort
of frustrated just because something we didn't own was could
potentially not take the wind out of ourselves and hurt
the promotion of the stuff that we do own. But
I think since we released the one project right out
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a year ago now and then this other one, we're
not really on any strict timeline with again, Like we're
just excited that the songs that we had literally poured
three years of our lives into, and like we were
getting frustrated making that record because it's like we feel
like it's done, Like can we just wrap this thing up?
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Like how do you mean to feel about this? If
I like it, do you mean to like support it? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Yeah, yeah, like we we are a place where we
need we need it to do well.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
We don't because to help us book more shows, to
help keep the momentum going.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
And before we put out our other EP, what's the
best song on it?
Speaker 7 (39:55):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Well, what kind of breath is the best song on it?
Speaker 3 (39:58):
But yeah, as far as new we already know that one.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
Yeah, my favorite song on the product is a song
called thought About You. I thought about it and Tim
McGraw actually put it out, cut it and released it
as a.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Single after we'd already recorded it.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
But yeah, we record the song called thought about You
and think, thought about Me, thought about God, everything, love is,
everything is.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
I thought about songs the song yea, yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Yeah, So we recorded it and because the Warm Brothers
they're like, dude, check this song out, we're like oh,
and they wanted us to cut it, so we cut it, recorded,
it was gonna be on the album, but when since
the album never came out, Tim McGraw they were like, well, shoot,
you're not gonna do it here, and we'll give it
to Tim mcgrawl and he did it and was top
ten for him.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
So now we're gonna have Now we're gonna have that
on the album. It's our version.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
It's almost like you're covering a song, but we had
a first Yeah, that's funny. And so you don't get
to pick a single and you so they're not really
going to put a single out.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
We're hoping that a song office record will take off
on which one.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
There's a song called how Many Drinks, which is really cool.
That's given another.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Kind of chance turned up.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
How Many Drinks?
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Is it going?
Speaker 2 (41:15):
It's to get me?
Speaker 1 (41:17):
But Batman and Robin is is the coolest song we
have on there because it's the only song we've ever
really written about being dads and having kids, and it's
about our sons, like.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
I'm Batman, He's Robin and our cardboard Batmobile. No one
can stop us still got.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
To go.
Speaker 7 (41:41):
Star.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
So it's not about YouTube, No, it's about it's about
like one of us. No, it's about you and and
E and nurse. I'm Batman, my son.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
That was the track I really though, And I was like,
I'm not asking how much of this Batman love you two?
So you guys wrote this about being a daddy. Did
you ever cry while writing a song?
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Cried when I was writing that song because of it's
because I just you know how much.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
I love my kid.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
I'm an emotional person anyways, and it was just like
it was just it was emotional to say some of
those things when you hear that, when you hear the lyrics,
and you'll understand, like when you or when you listen
to it, you'll understand why you can maybe.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Cry during the song. But it's not like a sad song.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Just touch it. Yeah, it's it's personal.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
And I've never written a song about being a dad,
and so I was saying how I felt with Eric
in there, and we're both new dads, uh to sons,
and so it was just emotional.
Speaker 7 (42:39):
Right.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
We were on a tour bus with Josh Leo, I.
Speaker 5 (42:41):
Think, and Andrew Petrov Petrov and I remember I was
still asleep and Stephen came in and was like, in
the bunk areas, Hey, I just started this awesome song
with Josh.
Speaker 7 (42:50):
You gotta come finish it with me.
Speaker 5 (42:51):
And I remember Josh getting emotional and shedding a few tears,
and it was cool hearing him from his perspective.
Speaker 7 (42:58):
Talk about being a fire.
Speaker 5 (43:00):
And at that time, Dylan, his son, was like twenty
five years old, I guess, but and now Josh is
a grandfather and his son and his inside a baby.
So I distinctly remember that day and then writing that
song and seeing him get emotional about his son, you know,
who was already pretty much grown, and it kind of
put things in perspective for me. And I remember he said,
basically the cliche phrase, don't blink, it'll be over before you,
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before you know it.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Do you feel lucky that he can say, come rite
on the song if they're pretty much done with it,
that they you know, they gids. You gave up fifty
percent writing, you know what I mean? They come hop
on this song here. It was cool.
Speaker 5 (43:33):
They were nice enough to like leave like half of
the first verse and half of the second verse open
so I could contribute and write it from my perspective,
also about my son and things that, you know that
I could take from even my experience with my dad
and him raising me and.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Crazy to see you guys as like adult men. We're
all adult men, but it's just like real kids.
Speaker 7 (43:54):
When we met though.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
Yeah, I hadn't seen you in a while, but you
still look young and you just have more hair.
Speaker 8 (44:00):
The Bobby cast will be right back. This is the
Bobby Cast.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
Are you guys still you still enjoy it?
Speaker 2 (44:15):
Oh? I'm in general I'm obsessed with it.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
Did you have a face? Did you get tired of it? Ever?
Do you have a phase?
Speaker 2 (44:20):
I've never have, really never.
Speaker 7 (44:22):
I never wanted to stop you never, just like I
don't want to do music.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
I wish we were I wish we were at a
higher six, like having more success right now because we
could be doing instead of you know, we're doing other
things to supplement our income, like and that's like stressful
for me because I've only known this and so like
to think of about like having to do something else,
Like Eric's really talented all the other things that I'm not.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
So I'm kind of like, what am I going to
do if this doesn't keep working?
Speaker 7 (44:50):
But no, I hate all those other things that I
might be good at. This is what gives me joy.
Speaker 5 (44:56):
And like again, like I said before, I love creating
something from nothing. It's just an amazing feeling.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
You say you and your wife have other businesses.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
What do you guys?
Speaker 3 (45:04):
What do you do?
Speaker 5 (45:05):
We have a bounce house rental company that's so legit.
We've out white white bounce houses bounce houses.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
Of those two where the dream just to like buy
a bunch of them and just because yeah, those are
things that people always need. I mean it seems yeah,
that's like do you do you ever set do you
set them up? Ever? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (45:25):
Really?
Speaker 3 (45:25):
Oh yeah, how much if I want to want just
for me adult?
Speaker 7 (45:28):
I think we do it for like five four hundred
bucks for hours?
Speaker 3 (45:32):
How many?
Speaker 7 (45:32):
Six hours? That's prett expensive, but they're very nice.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
It's the only white ones really.
Speaker 5 (45:39):
And then my wife does balloons also, like the balloon
art and stuff, not like the Amazon arches and stuff
like that, but she we just did the grand opening
for the Voodoo Donuts.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
And the press.
Speaker 7 (45:50):
Yeah, not like animals, but like just big massive installations
and stuff.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
But she uses like an artistic vision. Yeah, dude, that's awesome.
Speaker 7 (46:00):
Picture done. That's She's just really creative when it comes
to So.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
You guys are doing art, but if you're an artist,
you're kind of an artist. Meaning if anything that I do,
I'll do this, but I'll go do comedy, I'll write
or something. It doesn't matter what I'm doing. I have
that itch to always create something. Yeah maybe good, maybe terrible,
but like I always want to create something. It feels
like you guys have that too, Like, no matter what
the situation is.
Speaker 5 (46:23):
There are other businesses we like design and install themed bars,
like pop up bar type things, Like we did a
couple of hotels in downtown Nashville, like Dream Hotel did
a spring Flower bars.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
How do you even have that idea, that concept to
do that?
Speaker 7 (46:37):
Well, my wife kind of like started it and had
the idea of the stuff.
Speaker 5 (46:40):
She followed online and stuff, and then it was like, Oh,
my husband's really handy and can build anything.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
So you're but you're handy as well, like you can
do very practical things.
Speaker 5 (46:48):
Yeah, Like during COVID, I renovated my hole upstairs put
a studio in, Like I used to do tile and
build decks and renovations and stuff. And it was a
general contractor for a little while.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
So yeah, I can't fix anything, but.
Speaker 7 (47:03):
The bars are fun.
Speaker 5 (47:03):
We just did one over above doghouse on Demumbrians that
It's called high Notes. It's a cannabis themed bar.
Speaker 3 (47:09):
Does it stay there?
Speaker 7 (47:11):
This one does? Yeah. The other ones are like three
to four month installed.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
You enjoy that creative part. It's like writing a song.
I feel like we want to create this and then
when it's done, you kind of look back and go, Okay,
everybody sees this one piece, but you can kind of
see the layers of house it was built.
Speaker 5 (47:25):
Yeah, because for me, I usually walk into an empty
room and then in my mind, I know my wife's
going to come up with some crazy idea and then
I have to kind of bring that back to reality
and figure out a way to make her crazy idea doable.
So like for that bar especially, it was really cool
because I did it kind of in pieces, and we
had like a permitting issue halfway through, so I kind
(47:46):
of took a break and you got to court and
like watch redesign a few things and do it.
Speaker 7 (47:51):
But it turned out really great, and you know, it's
just another iron in the fire, I guess, but it's
a cool creative outlets.
Speaker 3 (47:57):
Yeah, to do creative things in other space. Yeah, that's
really cool.
Speaker 5 (48:01):
But it also makes me appreciate the music that much
more because those things they pay well, the money is
not an issue, but it's not like there's just something
about making music and coming up with melodies and creating
the bed of instrumentation that goes around that to support
it and to create that emotion that you can't really
do when it comes to like a physical build out
(48:21):
or something like that.
Speaker 7 (48:22):
So I think it all. My greatest passion in love
will probably always be music.
Speaker 3 (48:26):
I think, when you were twelve, what do you think
you'd be doing right now?
Speaker 1 (48:30):
I was twelve, I think I was going pro, Dude,
I was going pro much more ohing pro basketball is
going to be.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
I was, hands down, I knew it. I already knew
I was going pro.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
What about you?
Speaker 5 (48:42):
Well, now that I understand genetics, I know that I
never had any shot pro athlete. So I'm trying to
get my kid into golf now.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
I already told my kid.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
I'm like, dude, there's there's barely any six feet white
kids in the NBA. We'll let you play while you're
in school, but you should be doing golf football. You
can be six foot and be white football player.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
And I was like, there's none. They're all all they're
all four and six foot five.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
Do you have any grandparents, great grandparents that are tall
that I do? Could accidentally six three.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
Max, I'd be pushing it.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
He'd have to be the greatest little white player in
the world to even make it. But he's an incredible
baseball player. He bets bets both five ten elite baseball
players see. And he's a great quarterback, you know, Baker Mayfield,
quarterback of the ten Bay Buccaneers three and one. He
is He's like not even six feet. I don't think
he might be six feet you know.
Speaker 3 (49:35):
Tell me, I'm on my sports show. I preach Baker. Yeah, Mike,
who said, who's Baker?
Speaker 2 (49:41):
All the way?
Speaker 3 (49:41):
Baker till death. And here's the reason I was gonna say,
you're a razorback right, Yes, well, but my wife's big sooner.
But that's not the problem. The good thing is that
Baker was He grew up in Austin, Texas and listen
to me growing up all through high school. And I
messaged him one time and he was like, hey, man,
I'm a big fans, so I'm a Baker all the way.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
It's all I Yeah, it looks really good.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
So what'd you think you do at twelve?
Speaker 5 (50:07):
Eric, I think I wanted to be a professional soccer player,
But it was right when I was really getting into
the bass guitar, so like that's when I kind of
like it was my first Like my dad was music minister.
We had a lot of like big Christian artists that
would come through our church. We had like big three
to five thousand member church, big megachurch type place that
(50:27):
was full of legalism and politics. But right besides that,
like that's kind of where I got my first taste
of thinking it'd be kind of cool to play music
and you know, in front of a lot of people
on stage.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
So did you want to be always this? Oh that's awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:41):
I mean I remember being in kindergarten and you do
one of those deals where it's like, what do you
want to be when you grow up? Top three things?
And I wanted to be on the radio, stand up comedian,
and on television, But I don't know what it's like
to not know. Yeah, And I would think when kids
were like I didn't know, I don't know what I
want to do. We in college like I don't know
what I want to do. It was like someone speaking
a foreign language because I always knew exactly what I
(51:03):
wanted to do. Cool, But I think I just wanted
to do that because I was searching for love from
some area and I must have had a little taste
of that early. You're like, oh, I can get people
to let me this way. That's cool by being funny
or by being you know, saying something smart. But yeah,
I've always I've always known this with your dad being musical,
do you feel like it's nurture or nature that you're
(51:25):
so musical?
Speaker 5 (51:27):
I think both, because he didn't he didn't ever push
me to do it. It's kind of like he gave
me the tools to do it if I wanted to.
And then I think, similar what you said, like being
on stage in front of three thousand person congregation and
hearing people clap for you and then tell you, oh,
that that was really good. You should really think about
singing more like that kind of you get that kind
(51:47):
of yeah encouragement, nothing like it, and you feel that.
Speaker 7 (51:50):
It's like, holy cow, that's awesome. I want that again.
Speaker 5 (51:52):
So I think I think he would definitely like he
nurtured in the sense that he taught me how to
play my first few guitar chords, taught me basic music theory,
and gave me a good foundation. But I don't think
I ever felt like I was pushed or pulled in
any direction. I felt like it was always like for him,
it was never a full time job because he still
kept his other job while he did all that, even
(52:13):
though he worked harder at that it seemed like than
his other full time job.
Speaker 3 (52:17):
But do you feel like being exposed to music, even
if you weren't purposefully trying to learn it taught you music.
Speaker 7 (52:25):
I think so yeah.
Speaker 5 (52:26):
And I think I mean, if I look back at
the like some of my most important like core memories,
I associate like music with different time periods of my life.
Like remember like DC Talk in the Christian World an
Audio Adrenaline, and then that was like one of my
first concerts, So when I was like probably like nine
(52:46):
or ten to like ten or twelve or twelve or
thirteen like that, Like I associate those bands with that
time of my life. And then like my early middle
school and high school years was like all Eagles, all
Tom Petty.
Speaker 7 (52:57):
Then I went through like a hip hop phase.
Speaker 5 (52:59):
So it's like when I look back at my life,
it's like music kind of tells the story and is
the soundtrack for my life. So for me, it's like
I look back at all the music that I was
forced to listen to and then chose to listen to.
And I do think that I really played a huge
role in shaping who I am as a person. But
then also as a musician, and it gave me a
(53:20):
love I think for all different types of music also,
So I don't know if that no.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
Yeah, when you're saying that, I'm thinking about that twenty thirteen,
twenty fifteen, a little bit of heavy. I mean, that's
part of my bo That song was killing it while
I was confused and running on fumes and breaking every
piece of glass in Nashville. Like just a career. Why,
(53:45):
it's a rough couple of years. But like you're right
that when I heard that song, I was listening to
you guys again just to kind of get in the
space before I walk down here. I was listening to
that song. I was like, man, this feels like when
I was getting in trouble a lot.
Speaker 6 (53:56):
That song feels like, let's take a quick pause for
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Speaker 3 (54:12):
Where did your love music come from?
Speaker 1 (54:14):
So I grew up since I'm a preacher's kid, I
kind of got thrown into singing in the kids choir,
and then the lady thought I could sing good, so
she maybe do the solos, and I didn't want to
do it, and then I would our family would sing
songs at church and harmonize and all this stuff, you know,
And that's kind of how I started learning sing harmonies.
And then I heard smells like Teen Spirit by Nirvana
(54:36):
and I was like, I already could. I already got
piano lesson, so I know now how to play the piano.
So I went to my one friend at school day
I was a guitar player at the church, and I
was like, dude, can you teach me how to play
this song?
Speaker 3 (54:46):
Did you play spell like teen Spirit? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (54:47):
That's the first song I ever learned on piano on guitar,
because so he taught me.
Speaker 3 (54:51):
I was thinking, I had the beautiful arrangement on piano,
got it.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
That's the first song I learned. And then he taught
me on electric through that's it. Yeah, yeah, I'd be
a weird acoustic song. But he pretty much taught me. Yeah,
he taught me. He got me started on playing guitar,
and then I learned from there. So and then Breakfast
at Tiffany's was the second song I ever learned, like
deep blue something yeah yeah, and then and then I
(55:15):
and then I fell in love with country music not
long after that, and the songwriting aspects of it, and
and with the Warm Brothers having that connection and they
were kind of like my mentors and stuff.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
So that worked out really well.
Speaker 3 (55:26):
So he's not I'm gonna allverybody to do. Okay, So
got six songs on the on Better Better Alf also
a song, Yeah, but it's also the EP, and we
own the masters, so that's fun and they own the
master so stream it, stream stream that and then we're
going to be supportive on December first of the music
that comes out. And I feel like now I finally
have the clarity to be supportive.
Speaker 7 (55:47):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 3 (55:47):
I didn't know, but I didn't know what you wanted
me to do. You want me to be supportive until
a couple.
Speaker 2 (55:52):
Of weeks ago.
Speaker 7 (55:53):
We didn't really care we wanted to do.
Speaker 3 (55:55):
So I was confused even when I was reading the notes,
like I don't understand I'm not supposed talk about the record,
and he's like, we'll just ask him. So I can't
wait to hear it, and if something's awesome on it,
I'm gonna play it. Thank you, yeah, and want to
see what happens.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
And it was cool.
Speaker 5 (56:09):
I mean Jim ed Norman is a legendary producer also,
so to work with Josh who had done Alabama and
the original version of Fishing in the Dark, and then
have Don Henley's best friend basically you know, working with us,
and oh well, when I was arranging strings on Desperado,
I would have made this chord choice, but you know,
for this time to do this, and they hear him
(56:29):
tell stories about Glenn Fry, and like then hear Josh
talk about Glenn Fry and Jimmy Buffett when he's playing
guitar for both of them. It's like it was one
of the most surreal, cool record making processes I'd like
to hear.
Speaker 3 (56:41):
But it was also a long time ago though, right
it was. That's also crazy too.
Speaker 7 (56:45):
It was six seven years ago.
Speaker 5 (56:47):
But I think that that album represents that time in
our career, in our lives really well. And I think
that's probably why we're most excited for it to come out,
because those songs that we did, right, like, you can
tell like from that record to the kind of the
newer stuff that we're doing now.
Speaker 7 (57:01):
It's it's a little bit different.
Speaker 5 (57:03):
It has a little bit more of a throwback sound
to it, and I think it showcases kind of where
we were at in our career in our lives and
it shows the growth.
Speaker 1 (57:10):
And it still flies though. I mean it still sounds current,
which is good. Our new stuff is just it's just
a little different.
Speaker 3 (57:16):
But let's get some of that stuff on social media. Boys. Yeah,
and don't look back, meaning because I look back, I
look back at post I'm like, oh, ain't doing very well,
So I'm my suck. You can't do that. I got
to get better at that. I post up, just let
it just need lot left for a month and then
go look.
Speaker 5 (57:30):
Well, in every other aspect of my life, I'm really
good at that, like just not living in the past
or the future, just kind of living in the president,
enjoying all of it. But then when it comes to music,
it's like I'm hyper analytical about all of it.
Speaker 3 (57:42):
Do you gets play golf?
Speaker 2 (57:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (57:43):
Stuff really that we added it to our writer, so
they build you a golf course.
Speaker 1 (57:49):
So looking that you want to come play show you're
you're like, yeah, okay, we took a bunch of things off,
so our writers like you know, Sharpie's gum and off
and like in a round of golf for four.
Speaker 2 (58:00):
So it's super fun. We getting to play.
Speaker 1 (58:02):
We're playing poppy Hills next week, which is a heavily
beach course. So it's like sick we played played Sawgrass
because of our new found a better golfer.
Speaker 2 (58:12):
No, Eric Han's down?
Speaker 3 (58:13):
Are you pretty good?
Speaker 7 (58:15):
Keep?
Speaker 2 (58:16):
He's good?
Speaker 3 (58:16):
Nobody good everisds are good? So the fact that he's
saying that you have you played Bobby Hills? Oh hey,
read reopened the curten.
Speaker 7 (58:25):
Here you simulator over here? Oh wow, yeah it's I
got a bonner. Yeah, it's awesome here. I've been trying
to follow your golf career since.
Speaker 3 (58:39):
You know, I'm trying to be a golf influencer now
even though I suck. It's my new my new passion.
Speaker 7 (58:44):
But I stopped drinking, and then I got addicted to golf,
so you.
Speaker 3 (58:48):
Know, and as much of a half joke, like I
have so much addiction in my family that I'm addicted
to stuff, but just not I know, if I drink,
I'd be I'd be the best drinker ever, I'd win
every drinking. I would just be a sport i'd create,
I'd be a drinking influencer. I would just go full end.
But I have those that I do positive, so I
(59:08):
because there's gonna be something I have a super addicted personality,
and golf is that.
Speaker 7 (59:13):
Yeah. It's such a beautiful game. It's like you have,
it's you in a station.
Speaker 3 (59:17):
It's awful.
Speaker 7 (59:18):
You know, it's a one person to blame. It's the
best mental exercise. And I do it to myself every day.
Speaker 3 (59:23):
Why do you come home mad? It's something you go
voluntarily do And I'm like, what do you come when
you're so pissed about how you play? But you wanted
to go do it? You practice, you buy the clothes,
you watch the videos, you have a simulator, and then
you go and you build up to doing it, and
you come when you're mad. Why do you keep doing
that to yourself? I don't know.
Speaker 7 (59:45):
True.
Speaker 3 (59:46):
Well, guys, uh, congratulations on the record coming out December first.
I hope it really does big things, that allows bigger,
bigger things.
Speaker 7 (59:53):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (59:54):
I think that's that's that's what I hope to And
you don't step on my golf simulator. It's not today.
It's not ready for you today.
Speaker 7 (01:00:02):
Okay, it's not ready.
Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
We should play sometime. Do you guys live in town?
Speaker 7 (01:00:06):
Yeah, I'm in.
Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
I'm you have to say where you live. You're good,
I'm up thirty five minutes north of town. Okay, I
almost let that one out, so it's not so.
Speaker 7 (01:00:13):
I can be to any golf course in time in
fifteen minutes.
Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
Can you love me fair enough? Congratulations on the record,
coming out and Instagram at Love and Theft TikTok Love
and Theft Official, where you're going to start seeing more
authentic on let me see Unaffected like that music, because
you're going to start You're committing to me. Now, you're
going to start putting more up there. We're going to
(01:00:36):
all right, awesome, good to see you guys, you
Speaker 8 (01:00:37):
Too, Thank you, thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast
production
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