#485 - God's Country Returns to talk Burn Out, The Perfect Door Never Opening, Advice from Bobby & Worst Podcast Moments - Bobbycast

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
I do that all the time. It's like, man, this
song is a bear, dude, I know this is awesome.
And then I get in the truck with Reading, I'm like,
check this tune out. Halfway through the first verse, I'm like,
he probably doesn't like that part.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Episode four eighty five. I do think this is my
favorite just general podcast that I do with the guys
from God's Country. It's the brother's Hunt, Dan and Read Isabel.
They're very successful songwriters. They have a podcast called God's
Country that I want you to check out. They also
I just like talking with them because they have a
great perspective on songwriting, on what this industry is, on

(00:40):
the anxiety of just general life and family, and you know,
I think you're gonna like it because I love doing it.
I could have done another hour easily. Yeah, for some
reason we had to stop. Something was happening right after.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Oh he was late, Oh yeah, that's what it was.
You'll hear.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
He was like, that's why, yeah, yeah, yah, yeah, Okay,
here we go and we talked about it so you'll
know what I'm talking about. But God's Country Podcast Riley Green, Castie, Ashton,
Chris Jansen, kept more. They have big guests and people
show up with their guitars and play and it's cool.
It's a great podcast. I love these guys here. Oh yeah,
I forgot to tell them to when they canceled on
me all this. Oh it's all coming out now here.
They are God's Country, the Brothers, hunt Enjoy the Bobby Cast. Okay,

(01:21):
so reads.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Here, but are we going? Yeah? Now let's go. Dan's
not here? Big shocker? Was that? What?

Speaker 2 (01:27):
What what happened? Versus what really happened?

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:32):
I mean I think I think an eighteen wheeler flipped
over on sixty five is what really happened Dan?

Speaker 3 (01:37):
What really happened?

Speaker 4 (01:38):
Probably Dan left a little bit too late.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
They would have probably got him here in time.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
Yeah, everything he was gonna he left in time to
with nothing to go on to get her on time.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
They're an app that we can like check and see
where one is read. I'd love to you all they
have two reads here.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (01:54):
Do you spell it the same way? I think we've
had this, Yeah, the only way.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
I was walking in and you were referencing do I
ever get burnt out? And I was like, hey, save,
I think that's a really interesting thing to talk about
because I think everybody has their version of burnt out.
Do you ever get burnt out?

Speaker 4 (02:11):
I'm a I'm crisp right now, dude, I've been burnt
out for a month, and especially because like so it's
different for like I feel like deer hunters as well,
like and I know that's kind of that's going to
sound crazy, but like right now is prime deer season.
It's like November is is when it's the peak of
when deer and big deer bucks are moving and running around.

(02:34):
So like, already we work hard and I try to
write really hard all year to get to this point
to where I don't have to write as much and
I can be in the woods and take a long time.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
But so yeah, so like.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
I mean, yeah, if I get in a room where
I feel like it's like a waste of my time
and it's November, then I'm like double banging my head
against the wall that.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Day because you're tired from the year.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Because I'm tired.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
Yes, I have zero ideas I would rather be in
a deer stand and yeah, I'm just like the mental
thing is not there. I'm not sharp. The desire, the
drive to write a song is not there.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, I feel like it's a combination of One, it's
a long time without a break because from summer to
now it's like the longest period. And then two, you
know what either you could be doing or what's about
to happen, meaning you could be in the woods. Yeah,
and Holliday's about to come up. When you don't, it's
like it's almost break time.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
Well I feel like That's what I was telling Mike
walking in is like I wish the industry because it
can it pretty much does this anyway. Like November, December
and half of January it shuts down, but everybody still
like the rights are on the books and everything, so
like we're showing up. But a lot of the times
and a lot of times they cancel. But like a
lot of times you just sit there and you write
half a song and it's like a dang, you know,

(03:57):
fifteen round boxing match to get through half a song,
and then you leave at the end of the day
you're exhausted, And yeah, that's pretty much how November and
December goes.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Mine is usually from waking up early in the morning
every day. I hate it, Like I'll put the little
asterisk beside saying my that's great.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
That's my asterisk bro.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
Absolutely blessed beyond measure, no doubt.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
Thank you for the double Asterix double.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
I am always so tired, so sleepy, and a major
part of that is that I wake up at three
forty five, four four fifteen, four thirty every single day.
And I'm not a morning person. I've never been a
morning person. There's never a morning and thank you for
allowing me the safe space. There's never a morning where
I wake up and go, you know this scene from Oklahoma,

(04:47):
Oh what a beautiful morning.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Get it good.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Never do I feel good when I wake up ever
at and have crazy sleep issues. And if I were
just to go to my own and all my own
device is I would go to sleep at two am
and wake up at noon. That's my natural body cycle.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Clock. You are on the wrong You're the wrong game.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Absolutely the wrong, wrong thing. And so after a couple
of months, especially if I'm like touring doing stand up,
or if we're doing Raging Idiots, or we were traveling
a lot doing a sports show, going to all these
teaming that with the radio show the morning, it's just
I start to feel almost numb physically, yes, and then

(05:32):
it ends up being such heavy brain fog, right, my
brain starts to feel numb. Yeah, but I've gotten really
good at doing it tired. I think that's my greatest skill.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
Well, that's what a professional does, right is I can
do it absolutely, I mean, and that's I mean, dude,
baseball players play one hundred and eighty games a year
and you can't tell me that at when they're at
one point fifty that their body's not yelling at them
every day to be like what are we doing? But yeah,
they're they're still performing the highest level they possibly can.

(06:01):
And then that's the same it's the same thing. But
but you're right, like I think when people as a songwriter,
it's all up here, right, Like it's like, my my
greatest skill is what I come up with in my
brain and that's the way I provide for my family
and retires as.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
Thinking of things.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
And man, when it gets to when it gets to
the point where it is it's you're right, brain fog
is the right word. Where it's just like it's like
driving down a dirt road in the middle of the
night and you can't see anything in front of you.
And when when you start doing that day in and
day out. It becomes kind of warfare up there a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, to me, it's word searching. And when I start
to have that significantly, I know I'm really tired. Meaning
I say sentences for a living, but the the times I
just can't find words. Sure, but I've gotten really good
at pivoting. Yeah, and if I'm forgetting what I'm saying,
I can at least remember the last three words I said.
I go somewhere else, like it's it's all a question

(07:01):
because I'm a professional, not really good at it, and no.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
Doubt you are. You're the best, some would say the
best at it.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah, I would hope everyone will. That's my hope, that's
my dream, you know. But yeah, I get burnt out mine,
you know. But then I look at my like my
stepdad he worked at the mill his whole life, right,
and like you know, we come from like working class places.
And if I went and said, yeah, I'm burnt out
from thinking, right, don't get it, Like what are you talking?

Speaker 3 (07:27):
No doubt, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
So I'm pretty precious about where I say that because
I understand and listen, I'm here because of a lot
of choices and strategy that I made and I'm very
proud of it. And I work very hard. I think
I work harder than anybody else in the entire industry
at what I do. Like, I've never met anyone that
outworks me. However, it beats going to the mill every day.
And I watched him hate his job every day. But

(07:51):
it was a big part of why I chose something
that I love to do, was watching somebody who hated
doing what he did. He there was never a date
that he had to go into the mill and get
on that freaking fork left that he was like ready
to go have a good day at work. Yeah, it
was just where and how we grew up. You went
to work, you paid the.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
Bills, he came home, ate dinner, went to sleep, didn't
watch a little TV and do it all again.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
I just saw your brother walk by.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Did you tell you knew how to get back here already? Yeah,
So we won't clap or anything, you know, I want
to basicbal player at home run, they're just real quiet when.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
They come back to the dugout, especially if like you
don't like the guy and you don't want him to
home run.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
I know, let's let him walk in quietly. Yeah, now
we're already going awry about us. We had a whole
theory too. No, yeah, come on in, we're just hanging chatting.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Thanks for showing up, dude.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah yeah, hey, hey, taking time to get your jacket off,
worry about it.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah, man, it's not like we have a time limit
on this thing.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
We're all good. Not even a thing.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
The podcast is about to get worse than it was, Bobby,
Just so you know.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
We're just actually gonna stop recording now. So now you're lost.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Walk around that guy.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
It's one room, it's won it. Maybe this is how
he could why I couldn't get here?

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yeah, come on, come on, I'd like to Oh you
an artist mode?

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Man, you look by them all to buy those by
the clothes or too.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
Looks like it. Huh, seems like you're ready for a show.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Me.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
What is that? That's a good looking sweater.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Now we're good again. That's all it took. That's literally
all it took is one copy in my sweater.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
You like the guy? I could never wear that swe
what why not? I just would look I just I just.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Think I would look like remember those scrub pads that
your mom had, Cambrello type.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
Yeah, I'm too big. I'm too big to wear that.
I would disagree. I am a were going going.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
We've been, we've been already talked about uh being to
burn out. We talked about what happened to you versus
what really happened to you, and we predicted what you're
going to say versus the truth. So go ahead and
say what happened?

Speaker 3 (10:02):
Wait, say the truth or what?

Speaker 2 (10:03):
No, we just predicted what you were going to say.
We have a version of what we think you're about
to say.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
Okay, go ahead, jump sent to be here at two
forty two fifty.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
What did you say, jump set?

Speaker 3 (10:14):
Sorry, Jordan georganay our manager.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
No, I know Jordan's so, I didn't know who jumps.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
She's very jumping, got it, She's very like you went to.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
A nickname too quick. Sorry, he said, Jordan, I've been like,
oh easy, that's what like.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
Our nieces and nephews don't call her aunt Jordan. They
call her Jumps.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Because when I give a nickname, I put a lot
of effort into it.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
And I would say my.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
My percentage of sticking nicknames eighty five percent.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Would you say that your percentage most of the time
before referring to someone with their nickname is letting other
people know that that's their nickname so they're not confused.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
No, I think maybe it's just it catches because now
you're man, I got it.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
I'll never forget you, right, I thought stupid for a second. Yeah,
now I'm good. But now you know I'm good, So
you're She tells us to be here at one fifty.
So I know for a fact that from my house
to Sony a TV, exactly what he said, keep going.
I'm talking about It's like he wrote you a script.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
It's like we've been brothers for some years.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
So I knew I could leave at like one clock
and have ample time. So I left at twelve fifty
and I was like, I'm giving an extra.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
The math doesn't make sense, but it's it's even okay.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
I'm real bad at math. I didn't say that, right,
That doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
Bro, you left in in just enough time to if
nothing goes wrong, you would be here on the time
you're supposed to be here.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
Ten minutes extra. I left with ten minutes extra. It
was a bad it was a crazy wreck.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
We looked on line.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
There was no wreck.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Yes, no, if you had looked online it would have
almost screenshot.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Dark Webb when dark webs yead No, No.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
I'm scared of Dark's web. It's good to see you,
see you man.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Hopefully you're because you know how you're late if you're
latest me, if I'm latest anything, it is rare because
mostly all an ample plus ample, because I'm really like,
I care about the people, I'm gonna go be a
guest on the show and stuff and so uh too. Yeah,
I appreciate it and so rarely late. But if I am,
I'm like, I never catch up, Like I get there
and I'm so flustered and I never really catch up.

(12:15):
I won't you take a second, just catch up, and
if you're worried.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
Don't let it go. Okay, just take a second.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Catch up, because yeah, just get to the place so
you're most comfortable. Just sit in it.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
I'm back, I'm ready. Good good, uh good?

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Why did you guys cancel on me coming to your podcast?

Speaker 3 (12:34):
Why did we jumps?

Speaker 2 (12:36):
I want to know the answer. Hey Jumps, Hey, I
got it.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
I'm gonna be honest with you. I didn't even know
we did. Yeah I didn't either. What were we doing?
We got a lot of stuff going on? Bone. Oh
we were we were in Kansas? Is that right?

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Do you want to know what I was told?

Speaker 3 (12:52):
Oh? Yeah, yeah, please because.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Oh now she remembers the line. Now, no, no, no,
you remember the lie?

Speaker 3 (13:01):
This is real?

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Okay, Okay, so you're embarrassed to have him in our
old studio, that's no, there'll be no reason for that
to be a real story. Do you know the dumps
that I have worked in? So what I heard are
two stories?

Speaker 3 (13:16):
Okay, man, I love this.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
I think it was I know now that you're saying that,
I think it was right in the transition to it.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
I want to pick one way to be offended, so
we can let the story get be told, and I
can pick my way to be offended because there was
going to be away can't. So I was looking forward
to it. I cleared out a couple of hours of
my afternoon because I'm like, I like talking with those guys.
I think you guys are really good at what you do.
And also I don't have to like work so hard sometimes,

(13:44):
you know, totally, you got to carry the whole freaking thing,
and if you're already tired, it sucks.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
What we were talking about earlier, Yeah, one of the.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Things I like about you guys, I don't have to
worry about that.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
No, you don't.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
And so I was like, I'm looking forward to this.
I'm gonna go because I watch you guys clips see
grab a little biting, and I'm like, well, that'd be funny.

Speaker 5 (14:02):
Go.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Maybe I'll take my guitar, you know, And so I
had it. I took my guitar to work in the
backseat of my car, and I get a call morning
of hey, it was morning. They said they're moving studios
and then I want you to be in their old studio.
And I'm like, do they not know like every part
of my career, like I've it's only been working out
of like basically old camper shells.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
I think you think we're in a little more control
of this thing than we actually.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Oh that's fine.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
I'm still say.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Look, we got like parts of the ceiling fall and
hears we talk.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
This feels like our podcast. Yeah, that's the reason we
didn't bring it to ours.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
And so I was like, oh, man, So I just
came home and a couple hours that I don't normally
you know, I started trying to stay efficient. Wasn't very
efficient that day, and I got canceled, heart broke. I
got canceled on really close to my time.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
How much is that as true?

Speaker 2 (14:51):
All I took my guitar and everything.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
I don't think that I believe you.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yeah, And I was told that you guys, what did
you were moving studios or something. I was like, that
doesn't matter, if it works.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
I think I had a baby too, right now, a baby.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Oh yeah, So even if we hadn't canceled, we would have.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
We've just been reading it again.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
It's been like double cancel.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
What you're telling me.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
It had been better than what.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
Look you're telling I can look at my calendar and
if that date matches. You do know your baby's birthday?

Speaker 3 (15:17):
She probably does.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
You can't tell them everything.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
I have so many babies, bob, oh, Welcome to our
Welcome to our life. I know I know my daughter's
birthday is nine one nine one nine, so I can
remember that when we're our other ones born.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Well, this is not the game I was looking to play.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
Okay, play your this is your thing.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
No, not even the game. I was just like I was,
there was no baby thing. If I had been told that,
i'd been like, oh cool, But instead it was uh,
they're embarrassed their studios, and I'm like, day.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
Of if they if you got canceled on a day of,
I don't even know your team, but that's I think
that's on your team because we don't cancel day off.
We kind of know that as songwriters, you don't cancel
day of unless it's like unless you're having a baby.
Unless you're having a baby.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
But then then you say we're having a baby.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
Are we in a fight? No?

Speaker 2 (15:57):
No, no, because I wouldn't had your hear Oh, I love
that Hollywood black balled you guys immediately you had never
written oother song in this town again.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
Good Yeah, I'm ready for that, Bobby, we're going back.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
We're talking about earlier. I just don't do that.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
How much are you guys doing this now.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
Our thing or just external podcasts? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Great question, because I should ask the better seriously your
thing once?

Speaker 1 (16:20):
I would say average once a week on average. Yeah,
sometimes we might do two or three a week and
then just not do one for a week or two
or so something.

Speaker 4 (16:27):
But basically it feels like we're going on like it
feels like we're either in it hardcore and doing two
a week for two months or we're taking a break
and not doing it for a month.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Have you identified the look in people's eyes when you
know they're exhausted.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
Oh, they're pretty much just always doing.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
This more so than writing, because I know you can
tell it when when they're right, you just.

Speaker 4 (16:47):
Tell by yeah, I'll say this, I'll say this. It
makes I can tell it when they walk in that
a lot of them are not wanting to be there.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
But by the time, I think that's unfair. I don't
think they don't want to be there.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
I'm just saying, like it's like media day.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
It's like the starter because we do we record at
nine o'clock in the morning, so like when we catch
artists they have other things happen, it's usually like a
media day.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Or had just had something happened last night. Y you
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
So I will say it makes me feel good to
see their excitement level and their involvement in our show
and in the podcast, like do this trajectory as the
podcast goes.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
That has seemed to happen every time.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
If I'm being honest, I don't think we've had anybody
that's really just like been like this the entire time usually,
and I think that's an important part of connecting with
people outside of just like podcasting, Like part of it
is just like finding something that the other party is
excited about.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
That is absolutely the whole key to all of this,
I agree, is that myself get them excited and talk
about something they want to talk about. Yeah, they'll give you, Yeah,
they'll give you great talk about what you want talking
about too, sure, but you just got to get them something.
There will be times where if I'm like, Okay, listen,
I know they're freaking huge Packers fan, but it's we'll
leave with the Packers, or I mean, we'll do fifteen

(18:05):
minutes on the War of eighteen twelve of like they're and.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
They're in it. That's like a red bull, ain't no doubt.
And it opens up a lot of other conversations.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Well, Like I the one that keeps coming to my
mind is Terry Clark.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
We had her own. She's awesome. She's awesome.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
I had no idea awesome she was because I never
spent any time with her until she came back back around. Yeah,
and she did a radio show on like another station
here for a while, I didn't know her.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
Then she hosted it.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
She was a part of the team, right, So I
didn't know her, but once she started like she's awesome.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
Awesome, she's great, and she's.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Yeah, we just said the exact same thing twice she
but she, I think was what came in and was
like kind of didn't know, you know what I mean,
because a lot of this, it's not like they get
prepped that they're coming into this thing. They kind of just,
like Read was saying, it's like they got three remedia
days in the row.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
They're jam packed.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
They're popping from one studio the next kind of deal,
and so when they walk in with us, they're like hey,
and they're in, they're full.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
Like she had a cowboy hat on and the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
And then I think we started talking about fishing and
she just like completely opened up and she was very professional.
And that's that's really I think what you're kind of
trying to break through, right, Not that they're not polite.
They're always polite and happy to be there and whatever.
The thing is, the switch is on, right, and so
if you can kind of find a way to cut

(19:33):
through that, I'm talking to you, like you don't know this,
but if you you know, for us, it's it's as
far as what we've learned. If you can find a
way to cut through that media training and get to
something where they just like can't stop talking about it,
and then that turns into Wow, I trust these guys
and and appreciate their ability to listen and not just
completely dominate this thing.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
That's the last thing we wanted to be too. Is
any type of like media thing that they've got.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Gross, Like you didn't have that? How long do you?

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Sort of Yeah, even we've become so particular to the
point where I know, I mean to interrupt your point
read Oh no, no, you're good. I was just gonna say,
there's a start of every interview, then there's the real
start of every interview.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
I agree with that.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
And there are times, especially when we don't We don't
edit hardly at all, but we're not too good to edit,
especially if if somebody says something that they're not proud of.
I have no problem taking the doubt like we're not
trying to got you know.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
We're the same way.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah, something doesn't feel good, we'll pull it. But also
if there's something that really starts the interview strong, we
may take that and just take that and put that
near the beginning and leave everything else the same, and
just take some of that but it small, put it
at the end and not only take anything out.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Do you get tired of like the opportunities that come
from this thing, like come host this, come do this?
Like that's the thing that I that's terrifying to me
is because we even got asked.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
I'll just I don't know if I can say this.
I say this, Okay, well I won't say who that was.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
No, we'll cut it out if you can.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
We got asked to do a thing that would be
like admirable to do, but because it was going to
be like super red carpet, Hey tell.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Us about your new single, Hey tell us.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Like work the red carpet for Cmas is what I
would guess is something like that, if.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Something like that, that something like that, And I was
just me and we were just like hey jumps, like
that's not our gig, dude, like we I know we
should probably go do this, but like it's not our
you know, I just feel like in here there's so
much of a genuine connection that when you try to go,
do you feel that like once you've connected with somebody
in here, and then you've got to do like a

(21:45):
red carpet thing is it?

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Is it feel funky?

Speaker 2 (21:48):
I hate red carpets so knowing that I don't like
to do them because at first I did a lot
of hosting them. Then then there was a threshold where
they thought I was more famous, that I should just
walk instead of talking to them. Right, So there was
a certain point in my career when that happened, when
they stopped that unless it was on like I hosted
it for E, right, like hosted the Grammys for E.

(22:09):
They asked me to do that because I think that
was a pretty cool job.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Sure, But mostly they'll say, well, you walk the carpet,
and so I'll go walk. And the thing that I
hate generally about red carpets is I know where I
am in the ladder of whatever fame is, and I
know that I'm at the low end of everybody that's
at that carpet at that time, and it's like you're
at a party with people who are looking for the

(22:33):
next coolest person, because it's not they're not your friends
that are interviewed it. You only know a third of them, sure, right,
And their job is to get the biggest and best people,
and if they're talking to me, I'm going to be
giving them the best bites. But who cares if they
can get al Dean or they get that's what they want.
So the whole time my shoulders being looked over by
them or their producers, see who else is coming? So
I don't like that vibe anyway. However, I did like

(22:57):
hosting it better because I was so different than every
buddy else for sure, and that was and that would
be the only reason I would challenge you to at
least do it twice. Don't just do it once, because
you'll do it once and be like that was totally weird.
If you do it twice and you hate it, never
do it again. But what's great and what will be
a strength for you, guys, is what makes that easier
is the relationships you already have with the people and

(23:17):
all that surface bull crap has gone immediately. If you
have three minutes, you have three minutes, and you're already
at the start, not the start, and I would I
would challenge you to do it because it'll be uncomfortable
for you and you'll grow at just this world and
then the next thing you do. You're presenting a freaking award,
you know on the award show.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
Yeah, matter of fact, we did that and you told
us to be very nervous about.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
It before we walked out. What was it? Oh that? Yeah,
remember we were walking I was like.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
Is your heart?

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Was that an award or festival? Millions of people are
watching this whatever it was. Hu was a festival, but
a festival.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Yeah, it's still thing like congratulates you did a thing,
but that was a great See. That's what I'm saying.
It's slowly going to be a bill of that. So
if you're turning it away just because it doesn't feel right,
nothing's gonna feel right other than what you're already doing,
because that's what that's comfort.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
I think that goes into life application there probably probably yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
And I should be better at it in life. So
I'm sure good at it and work like I'll try
anything in bomb because I know if I do it
a second third time, I won't bomb anymore. But I
think you would like doing the red carpet because it'll
feel so weird, but you'll you'll be better than ninety
five percent of the people one because you'll know who
the people are. The other bad thing is if if
I'm walking it, they have to like look at the
little picture grid to figure out who I am. I

(24:37):
don't even want to see them do that. We got
so I'll look or if they cannot figure it out,
like if I'm doing an LA one, they have no
idea who I am. They're like, well, so here you are,
so how's this all going?

Speaker 3 (24:48):
How you doing in your thing? You do tell us
about your favorite part of the thing, and you.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Know, they have no idea. And if I see them
trying to look to see who it is, I will
try to make sure they don't see me trying to
see them as just like a her to see if listen,
I know I'm not famous, I shouldn't be here. And
it's like, I know that you have a little bit
of time with a lot of these people, and I
just happened to come at a time where you had
no person like. I get that, but I'd like to

(25:14):
see you guys do that, because I think you'd be
really good at it and people would, people would come
to you. That's a great thing about when I do
them too, Like all my friends, they want to if
they're down and they're like there's five hundred people on
a road today. They will be like, dude, let.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
Me come down because it's a comfortable thing and they
know they can trust you.

Speaker 6 (25:30):
And you're not gonna you want to be comfortable, but
they will be Yeah, let's take a quick pause for
a message from our sponsor, and we're back on the
Bobby Cast.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Are you just making any money doing this yet? Some
well are you? I was talking to somebody I went
and I won't say what show was. I rarely go
on podcasts because I feel like I got a lot
to say, but I'm gonna say on my stuff that
I own.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
Right.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Sure, I was gonna do one.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
They canceled.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
All my day of studio was like getting rebuilding those
crazy day. I did another show recently. First of all,
I've done a long time, and I really like what
this person is doing. And I was talking after because
I know it's impossible to make money doing this. Yeah,
it's like writing songs, like being an artist. It's impossible
to make money doing this until you get lucky and

(26:23):
somebody figures out that you're good.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
Ah, you know, because you got to be good absolutely.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
And the time it's timing and you know, all the
variables come together. But I was like, making any money yet?
I knew the answer was no, but I want to
let him say it. And he was like, no, not yet.
He was like, what's the key? And I was like,
the key is just showing up and being consistent and
not really and and saying it ten thousand times is
barely saying it once because nobody hears anything.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
Ever.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Wow, Ever, you know that's exactly to me how songwriting works.
And I always say this, it's like, once you do
get to a place where something that you've created or
something that you believed in for a long time makes
you a little bit.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
Of scratch, can't a bit tell you nothing? Dude?

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Can't I tell you nothing? Because what you believed in
opened the door to that. And so once you do that,
you're like, Okay, I created this thing that nobody believed in,
and now it's like putting socks on my kids.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Can't buy I tell you nothing.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
So are you making any money yet?

Speaker 3 (27:21):
Not? On this? What?

Speaker 2 (27:23):
What's the what are you waiting for? A threshold of streams?

Speaker 3 (27:27):
Pretty much? Right? That's a that's a yeah, I mean,
you know large threshold.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
It's the hard are you making any Are you getting
any money at all? In my question, not real money
because that's defined differently.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Yeah, we're making we're making something.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
That's not my only question. Are you literally getting a
da Yeah, yes that is and you would say this
to new songwriters. That's a massive success here, sure, because
that's the hardest thing to do, is to make any
money at all, because that means you have to shoot.
You've had to show up over and over and over
again making no money, like unless you're already famous and
they're signing you because of your name. Like Jake Gillenhall

(27:58):
starts the podcast he't gonna do and do it, started
a feed with no subscribers and make no money, right,
he's so some old price signed and break or it's
like a path like you guys had to do it.
It's not like you guys are massive artists. Had to
do it over and over again, right at a high level.
And so that is like, let me compliment you, that
is the hardest thing to do, not make a lot

(28:19):
of money, make any money.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
I mean, we don't have a person and sponsor.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
It doesn't matter that rocking. As soon as you get
that that first trickle turns into a stream turns into
but that trickle is the freaking hardest thing to get
because people don't work hard enough to get the trickle.

Speaker 4 (28:32):
I do believe that I believe in it enough that
we could make real money at it, Yeah somehow, Yeah,
like like I mean, like you see all these these
podcast deals going on with Call Our Daddy and and
all these Travis Kelsey things like jillions of dollar.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
That's how much I.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
Believe in in what we do together and hosting our podcast. Like,
I believe in it that much. I don't know if
that'll ever happen, but I think and believe that if
we continue to do it the way we're doing it,
that it could potentially get to a point where it
could be one of the biggest things.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
And in the new work, you.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Have to have irrational dreams. Irrational things don't happen unless
you have a rational no doubts, Like there's no love
somebody from where I come from is going to even
move here to do anything near like this. But if
like that's what fuels the fire right, I'm psychotic. So
and if I don't believe in me, why should anybody
else believe in me? And like I believe in me

(29:31):
too much. But you have to be nuts. But again,
the same thing with any sort of art. There's no
money in it until there is, Until there is. I
was texting with the friend, I was gonna bring this
up to you guys who I don't I'm not now.
I do like him, he's my friend. Friends on that one,

(29:54):
I don't. I'm not in the music world at all anymore.
As far as I don't program anything. I don't pick
music to be played on like they pay me to
go be compelling.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Go say stuff, get people to care wherever I am.
If I'm in here, if I'm doing the radio show,
doing sports show, like, be compelling. That's how I make
my money. Now, when we do the live terrestrial radio show,
which is still quite massive, there are songs that are played.
I don't program those songs.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
Now.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
I can't take a song and just put it in.
You can, yeah that's cool, Yeah, but I don't. I
do that like once every month and a half or so.
If I'm just like this song's awesome and it's more
like something you believe in, Yeah, it's like I'm being
compelling about that that song at that moment, Like, hey,
I heard this is super cool. But you guys are
like it, right, So yeah, it wasn't like that when
I moved here, where I was breaking artists left and right.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Now the environment's not really conducive to that, and that
is not where I can't own that because it's not
my art. Yeah, true, you know, and I'm not sure
appreciating it, sure, but I can't being the guy that
breaks music because that I can't own something that's not mine.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
Did you own it back in the day, Yeah, because
I was the.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Only one that had a platform big enough to do it,
for sure. Now everything's so fractured, right, yeah, and on
like eleven platforms, but any one, single one. I can't
do that anymore. I could if I put all my
effort into it, but I don't. So anyway, one of
my friends I don't. So all that to say is
I never hear new music. It's just not my world.
I don't pick songs. I don't, and I mean this

(31:30):
in the best way. I don't care. I listened to it,
and I have a lot of friends in the industry,
but I don't like no Whens. The song goes, hey,
we're gonna release as a single? What do you think never. Yeah,
No one's don that in two years to me because
they know it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
Right.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
So one of my friends today I'm very close to
I was walking, we're walking together and he has a
number one, he's about to have a second number one,
and he knows I know how the games work, and
he's like, hey, I think that we have picked our
date to strategically go for number one. And you know
some people drop off, they all get in their little

(32:06):
you know, you know how it goes around here, indeed,
And so I'm like, that's freaking awesome that your team
is saying this is the date, because that's as close
as you can get to getting it, that you've decided
on the push date to getting it.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
And he's like, it's awesome.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
I said, so, do you have a what's your next song?
And this is somebody to hang out with like twice
a week, but we never talk music, and not because
we avoid it, but because we're like actual friend. Yeah,
like playing trucks. And he was like, I just wrote it,
just cut it, and he said, you listen to it.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
And I got that that.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Old feeling that I used to hate when people say, hey,
would you listen to my song, because mostly it was
what you listen to it and then play it right
that I was feel like everybody was trying to use
me for something. Sure, but my first five years is
all I felt. I didn't trust anybody. I was wrong
about a lot of people, but I'd probably right about
a lot of people I was. I was right some
and I got burned really bad, and I think that's
what made me overcorrect and just. But he he sent
me the song and I and for a second, I

(33:03):
had that that PTSD of oh my God, and I'd
have that many conversation with myself, like this is your
really friend, this is a real life friend, like Compnity Kidney,
you give them one friend. And I listened to the song,
and in my head I was already imagining the text
I was gonna have to send. Oh wow, man, hey,
I can't wait to see what this does. In my head,
that's what I was imagining, because that means it's fine, Yeah,

(33:25):
that's fine. I listened to it. It was so good like
I wanted to cry, and I don't think it was.
And the song was good. The song is really good,
but I don't think it was because of just the
song being really good. I think it was like all
that that I just talked about. I was able to
kind of just kind of kick all those feelings that
I had about people using me. So I don't do this,

(33:48):
and I do do this, and I keep these boundaries up.
And then I have this friend who's been grinding so
hard and like I started to get tears of and
I'm by myself and I'm like, what is I'm like
having this weird moment, and I listened to this song
in the song is so good. I'm not gonna play it.
I'm not saying who it is. And so I texted
him back, I'm going to write verbatim because I think
as songwriters and just artists in general, you guys will relate.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
I'm excited about this.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
I said, I don't know the guy that wrote that song,
is what I replied. I said, I know the mediocre
pickleball player that I beat the crap out of, but
I don't know that guy who wrote that song. Like
that's awesome, and sometimes you need to be reminded how
awesome your friends are. And he wrote, thank you. It's
probably the favorite thing I've ever written. You know, a

(34:34):
personal thing about his family, and then I just wrote
a couple things about I said, Hey, the concept was great,
the word play was awesome. Sonically, whoever singing the harmony's
like so technically, I just did a little quick evaluation.
I said, gets to the hook quick, which is like
a thing. And he says to me, hoping it's going
to be the one that opens the door all the
way for us. And as he was saying that, I

(34:57):
said to that, I said, I was dreading to listen
to it because I was afraid to be fine, and
I would just they can't wait to see this song
do his thing. But back to he said, hoping it
was going to be the one that opens the door
for us. And I feel like I said this because
I have felt that way many times about many things
that I was going to do. And there's not a door.
There's never a door. There's never a door. And I said,

(35:18):
the door will never be opened all the way. It's
just a different chase to a different door. But you
wrote an excellent song, regardless of what it does on
some chart based on a thousand variables, that is an
amazing song. Acknowledging it now is extremely valuable because it
won't be up to you or even up to your art.
If it's going to be a number one, it's all

(35:40):
by chance. I love youbody, and he writes a message back,
and it was just the idea of again, here's my friend,
and you guys have to create art out of your
thoughts and your heart and your soul and then you
have to go and just let people judge it.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
Yeah, but I think that's an interest.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
That's a really I mean, like you can tell that whoever,
even if it wasn't you, if someone had just read
me that text message of what they replied, that's somebody
that that has has grown up in the in the business,
you know what I mean, Like, you.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
Know how the business works.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
And I think there for a while, when you're starry eyed,
you have this concept that you're going to be able
to release this song and that basically based on how
people feel about it, it's going to perform at a
certain level. And then maybe you even do that, maybe
you even have one that connects and that's what brings

(36:33):
you to the town.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Right.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
We've seen that a lot, and you know to to
when you kind of see behind the curtain on on
the game of it it's a different it's a different deal.
So to have someone who's who knows that and is
able to ship and I know we're talking way inside here.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
I hope that's that's why we do this talk inside
as possible. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
I just think it's it's cool and it probably meant
a lot to him to hear it from somebody who's
who has done that and been a part of it
and honestly kind of like dissociated themselves from that and go,
this is my honest opinion, and whether it does anything
or not, like great tune, man, And that's what that
means a lot to creatives.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
No doubt.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
Yeah, because like it feels like in that moment like
put yeah, putting ever, put the lights, put the radio, shows,
put the radio, put everything aside. A great song was
heard and appreciated and moved to somebody the way it
is created to do.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
Period.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Before you start, he starts or she whoever starts second
guessing maybe this song wasn't as good as I thought
it was.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Oh he or she thought that when they sent it,
Because I mean I do that all the time. It's like, man,
this song is a banger, Dude, I know this is awesome.
And then I get in the truck with reading and
I'm like, check this tune out and I play it
and like halfway through the first verse, I'm like, oh,
shouldn't I say that? Oh, he probably doesn't like that part.
This should get a reaction.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
It didn't. Okay, we're you know.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
What I mean, And before you know what, you're cutting
it off halfway through the second verse one.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
It ain't that good. You know, we'll see what happens.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
And you've besigned his thoughts unfairly, totally unfairly on you,
and he may not even have those thoughts. And where
I feel, and I'm empathetic, I should say toward artists
who create anything is when you have to put something
out that people have to consume in order to have
it feel and be a success, Like that's a vulnerability

(38:24):
that you don't get to control.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
Almost we explain that.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
I'm curious as to say that one more time. I
think I understood you, but I want to make sure
that I did.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
What did I say?

Speaker 1 (38:32):
You're saying that when an artist has to put something
out so in order to cause a reaction, whether you
have to, you have.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
To create something right, sure, and you have to be
vulnerable to create it at times. Oh I got you
vulnerable to have it out and be judged for sure,
and then you are letting its worth and value be
acknowledged by the amount of streams that gets the money.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
And it's subjective in the in the first place anyway,
So it's not like it's not like hitting a good
golf shot, because a good golf shot is a good
golf shot, or running a running fast absolutely or winning
a race, right like, it's not that you could create.
I could have written the best song in the world,
may have, may have like I didn't, but but one

(39:23):
of those days I could have. I could have the
best song in the world right now in my catalog
and literally just because it never gets cut, no one
will ever hear about it.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Yeah, buried under thousands and thousands of other mediocre songs.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
And I didn't want him to ever Well, an he
will or he won't at some point be like maybe
that song wasn't because I thought it was when I
just my whole thing to him was one. There is
not some magical door that ever opens. Ever, it does
not matter, like it doesn't matter which friend it can be.
And I'll talk about people that I know really well,
like a Luke Bryan who that's it. He's the mecca

(39:57):
for sure. He's achieved everything totally. I don't need and
think with him. You'd go, hey, Luke, you've done it all.
He'd go like yeah, but yeah, yeah, but I didn't. Uh.
There's never a that door. There are always opportunities that
hopefully enrich your life in a way that's meaningful. And

(40:19):
that was the first thing. It's like, he's like, I'm
just gonna open up so many doors. There are times
where I've not gotten things and it's opened massive doors
for me. And then the second thing was, well you did.
It's awesome. This song's awesome, and I hope you don't
if it's not successful, let that make you think it's
not awesome. Yeah, and just like acknowledge it right now.
This is you got to live in that moment that
you're talking about, own it because it's all anyway, there

(40:40):
was a whole.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
That means a lot.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
I mean, I mean I would I would assume that
would have been a lot. I mean I've had people do
that with me as well. You know who read too.
We've been writing songs forever and to have those kind
of champions. Even if it's not somebody in the business,
it means a lot, you know, for a creative to
hear that hey man, that spoke to me, regardless of
what it just.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
Pull, it pours a little fuel and fire.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
Like I mean, those those days happen in the room songwriting,
and like you can have you can have tons of
days where you just like I was saying earlier, like
you just feel like you're banging your head against the wall.
You don't know what the purpose is. But you get
in that one room where a really great idea comes
up and everybody is in that idea in the same place,
and you create a song that.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
You loved, that you believe and.

Speaker 4 (41:24):
Yeah, you'd love for it to get cut in the
world to hear it, but at the end of the day,
you don't care because you created something that you're proud of.
Like those those are special and it's the same thing
as that moment that you had listened to that song
is like you got to live in that moment for
that day because you don't get a.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
Lot of those.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
If I remove it being somebody that I know, love
trust it as a friend, and I just think it's
very rare now that I hear a song, we're a
bit jaded, right, we're in the middle of it. We're
a bit we're yeah, we're creating, we're creating whatever hourly.
It's rare that I hear anything, because they hear a
lot of great things. That just does like a little

(41:59):
mini like a little sure man that that's it's, it's.
And I'll even remove this and I'll ask you that, like,
what's the last song you've heard that you're like, oh God, what.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
Are we basing it on? Are basing it on?

Speaker 2 (42:12):
It doesn't matter. And I'll vamp and I'll give you
a story, give you a second to think. This is
a great interviewing tip, by the way, you see your
person struggling, tell a story.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
Did you think I was struggling? No?

Speaker 2 (42:20):
But, but, but but I know you want to have
a good answer for this. I think I don't want
to rush you to a bad answer because I'll get
bad answers sometimes. So there's not dead air.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Well, do you want to know if you're a good go?

Speaker 1 (42:30):
I mean, I'm good. I think I think it's probably
the same for both of us.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
So you obviously know this.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
We're so swamped with music constantly, that there's a there's
a regular hum in our ears of what's commercial, who's cool,
what's popular at this moment, why is this guy successful?
And there's little blips that pop up, you know, like, oh,
this is cool, this is having a moment, Oh check

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this out.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
And and and I'm not I'm not a.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
Dog in anybody that's had those blips, like I think,
and they're great and they can lead to like an
actual career, Like right now, I think that Ella Langley
Riley Green tune, it's like having a bit of a moment.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
There's some like.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Sex appeal to it. It's also a very well written song.
It's also done by two really great singers, and it's
it's it's blipping right, it's doing the thing. And I
think because that people are being introduced to Ella, people
are being introduced to Rileigh, and they're diving in more so,
it's it's a good thing. But and that song was
even kind of moving to me just because of the

(43:36):
out of the box sound like even sonically that that
that tune had. And I love both of those people
very much, But the one that got me recently ready
helped me with this was the I don't remember what k.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
We do this in, but it's like, did.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
You guys write this one nocause that had been cool
if you were like, this is the one I wrote.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
I wish we wrote this that. Uh I see maybe Yeah.
I never show le to her.

Speaker 4 (44:05):
And I don't drink with skin, and I don't know
how it feels.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
Oh, it ain't been lonely.

Speaker 7 (44:20):
Since you said goodbye. It's I could sing mesh, but
you know I never.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
I mean, come on, dude, that's a great song. That
Zach top tune.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
It's incredible got me in my ears, dude, And I
was like, okay, So immediately I can't just like enjoy
it as a listener, right, I have to start breaking
down the reason. And so you know, immediately I'm like,
sounds like something from my childhood. Also very quality lyric,

(44:56):
also very appear easing tone, right, And so when I
stick all those things together, I realize like, I'm a
child of the nineties. My ears are are ears of
the nineties. And that felt that didn't feel like somebody
chasing something that sounded like the nineties.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
It just felt like that guy was that thing.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
And so for me, that felt very genuine and that
that's the that's the breakdown of why that song like
kind of hit me in my in my guts.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
But yeah, that's one of the most recent ones. I
like what that kid's doing.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
I like that he's smoking cigarettes behind the stage and
they're catching him. I liked these riding the damn scoots.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
Just feel you believe that guy, and it's not a facade.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
It's not it's not fake.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
I mean, honestly, I don't care if it is, because
it's so refreshing to see a young kid excited about
the business and the music that I'm in. I'm in,
you know, I'm in on Zachtop for sure.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
Man.

Speaker 4 (45:54):
Mine was the other night watching Stephen Wilson Jr. I
saw this clip of him doing Oh Yeah live at
the print Shop. He did an interview and did some songs.
But I got onto this interview and watched the whole
thing and he played a song called I'm a song

(46:15):
at the end of it that it's like I'm there
for this, I'm there when you need this, and you know,
and I think, I mean, I sat there and Jordan
looked at me. She was like, I've never seen you.
Would you say, like, like.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
Right, like it takes a lot.

Speaker 4 (46:29):
It takes a lot for me to get excited about
a song anymore, or or an artist or anything like that.
But man, when this guy played this on this nylon
just ripped up guitar that had stickers all on it,
and it was it was shredded. Like you just I mean,
you couldn't help but not be in be in the tune,

(46:51):
you know, because he pulled you in with the authenticity
that he was singing with. The lyric was great, the
sound was great, but like you just could not like it,
you know, And that's what it kind of blew it.
It blew me away. It blew me away. And another
one that comes to mind was was Allison Krausen Union
Station live at the Kite Theater when the first time

(47:13):
I heard the Boy who Wouldn't Go Whole Corn. I mean,
it just there's those songs that just do something to you.
And I can remember I was in college. I listened
to that song for about three hours because I don't
know what it was about it.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
But as far as new music, oh yeah, well it
could be.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
I mean the two things, the two songs that I
think of are drastically different, and for different reasons, but
one was for just how catchy it was, and this
one has been in seven or eight years now, and then
one is from like a month ago. But I remember
the first time that I was I think I was
probably it's probably the high probably the Highway or something.

(47:50):
I was flipping on because friends that work over there,
and so I listened, uh, like they do evenings or whatever.
I was over there, and the first time that I
heard meant to be I was like, this is the
catchy thing that's ever happened history of the world. And
I was like, and then you start listening, you're like, oh,
then you start doing the thing where like, oh wow,
it's so simple. But it's like, well, if it was
so so simple and easy, everybody would have done this already.
But just hearing that over and over and how they

(48:13):
that was, I was like, my brain is warped. Not
the message. It's a pop song, but it's so freaking catchy,
like they like candied here the greatest candy.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
I remember looking at the freaking radio going, I don't
know what that is, but like that's it.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
The other was probably three months ago. I'm going to
play you some of it.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
I can't wait.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Well, she's twelve. This is the weird part about it,
that that she's twelve, and like, what in the world
what does a twelve year old know?

Speaker 3 (48:42):
That's what you think is in this kind of the
beauty of it, right?

Speaker 2 (48:44):
It absolutely is, yeah, And it's not like, how did
you come across well hang out with watch twelve year olds?

Speaker 3 (48:52):
Don't know?

Speaker 2 (48:52):
I'm so wish. Wouldn't ask that?

Speaker 3 (48:53):
Sorry in your wife twelve or something? Eleven?

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Start calm down, So I'm going to I'm just gonna
again not on a record label, and I can tell
you how I know how founder Founder sounds weird too,
but how I am familiar with her music.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
Just play it?

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Man, Thank you, thank you God. I just needed someone
to give me that rank.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
Where have you been lately? My life has been so crazy?
Whish did you come home?

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Hey?

Speaker 3 (49:28):
You know all of them says do you think you
can keep? Never let them go? In an.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Makes those Taylor like Taylor Swiftian is very much influenced, right.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
Some casey most grave then.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
Think, then there's here like the now she's twelve, and.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
But he's doing some good work already. Though she wrote it.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
You know, she wrote the song. And it's like I
think at times as adults, we can unsimplify.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
Things maybe all the time dude.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
By going, well, if I say it just how I
feel it, people don't think I'm stupid. Yeah, I don't
want to sound like a.

Speaker 4 (50:29):
Cave man or it's going when that when whoever that is,
that's the only way they know how to do.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
It, and that's why it so. So that's Iris Copperman
Ross's daughter.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
Oh yeah, okay, and.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
So we're very close to that family. I didn't know
Iris was good. It was really we went to watch
her her first ever show that she played, Like we're
close enough. We went to watch it with because Ross
and who is he with They were doing like a
two person songwriter.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
Thing, and so popped her up to sing something four.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Songs and like she was so good. Yes, so like
I got tears in my Like she was actually good
in person too. But hearing that something that's not that
that is so simple because they didn't avoid being simple,
is what's so refreshing to me.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Yeah, we say it all the time. I mean I
think I said this in the last two or three days.
It feels like it comes up all the time. But
it's as a songwriter. Creatively, it's almost like you have
to learn how to do all the things that fit
within the commercial box, and you spend so much time,

(51:33):
so much time of your life doing those that to
become something that somebody, To become a person that writes
songs that somebody wants to cut, you almost have to
like learn it and then just completely push it to
the side, because those unadulterated things that just come straight
from the heart usually end up connecting. And I think
as some as commercial songwriters, sometimes we go I don't understand,

(51:55):
I don't understand why that's hitting. I mean, that's the
that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard, or that's but man,
when you break it down, connecting with people can be
extremely simple or it can be extremely complex, like that
what I heard to me, that's extremely simple.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
She's twelve year olds. It should be. But the production
is money.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
I mean, I'm sure Ross is drilling that Tom, you
know what I mean, like just dialing it right in.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
It's easy to chase things too or you keep going
my bad.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
Well, I was just gonna I was about to literally
say that same thing. When you're that young, you don't
even know to chase things.

Speaker 4 (52:29):
That's what I'm saying, Just like you don't know what
success and not and successes are not success. You haven't
done anything that that you love that somebody said no to,
you know what I'm saying. So like, it's easy to
look at the things that are successful, look at the
Morgan Wallins and the Luke Colmbs's and the Landy Wilson's
right now, and go, hey, I want to sound like that.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
I want to write those songs. I want to sing
those songs.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
And and and when you when you get into that game, man,
you you're doing what everybody else is already doing. You're
already you're already car way back.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
In that line. You ain't leading that pack. Man.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
I tell you my favorite thing recently that I saw, man,
and it's it's just been honestly punching me in the
good because I feel like I'm being very honest right here.
I feel like for a while, for a while now,
I feel like I've been chasing the money because I
didn't have anything at all when I was first creating.

(53:23):
And then you get a little bump here, you get
a little success here, before you know it, you want
more of that more and that more than that, and
before you know it, you're you're you're centered on that
so much. So that and that can be replaced maybe
you maybe you put success or awards or whatever. It
can be a multitude different things. For me, it was
like trying to chase the money. And I saw something man,

(53:44):
and it was this guy saying, if you try to
chase money, you'll never catch it. You'll never catch it
because money's always moving, right. But what but if you
but if you create the art, that's what money chases.
Money chases the art. So like, if you're creating something
that that's art, the money's that's what's true to you,

(54:08):
what it wants anyone. Yeah, you know, but if you're
trying to just create something for money, you're already, you're
already you'll always be behind it.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
Yeah. And I'd venture to say, most of the songs that.

Speaker 4 (54:18):
That get cut in this town from guys who aren't
like the gorlies and like, you can just write a song,
go get it cut. Like most of the songs that
are breaking songwriters, and the songwriters I have success with
are the ones that are their story and are true
to their life.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
Yeah, I'm not saying that every song has to be
like that, but yeah, that's not seems to be what connects.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
No, absolutely, I've got to I've got to know, and
I don't.

Speaker 4 (54:40):
I'm not good at doing it every day, And I
feel like that's part of the the the key to
the kingdom of this thing is like, if you can
go into a room every day and and write about
what's on your mind, what's on your heart, what do
you believe in? What's true to you that only you know?
I feel like you're setting yourself way more up success

(55:00):
and you know, and and so like there's a phone,
there's a note in my phone and I scroll past
it all the time, but it says like, hey, what
do you what do you want to say today?

Speaker 3 (55:08):
Like what do you? What do you? What do you
believe in today? Right about that?

Speaker 4 (55:13):
Because that's one that's that's the song that's gonna make
you feel good and want to do it again tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Two.

Speaker 4 (55:18):
It's probably the song that's gonna have the best chance
of getting of being successful.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
I had had no cuts on Tom when I wrote
with Tom Douglas, and he was like he took me
to Subway and we were getting a sandwich and we
had we hadn't done anything that mony, hadn't gotten any
songs that morning, and I remember saying to him, Man,
he was like, so, how's it going. And I was like,
I'm terrified. He's like, whine, I said, because I've been
at this company, published a company for five years now,

(55:44):
and I know how companies work, and I know that
somewhere there's somebody so high up and eventually they're going
to run across my name and they're going to go, well,
this guy's been here for this long and there's been
zero cuts out of this thing.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
Eventually, as a business owner, you go, that guy's gonna go. Man.
I mean you know, over time, it's like, if you're
not producing, you gotta go. Unless we be real it's
a business.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
ROI return, sure, totally, and so I'm telling him that,
and I said, but honestly, man, I'm I feel very
confident in my body of work, and I feel extremely
not confident in the fact that I'm not making any money.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
And he was like, Dan, I'm gonna be honest with you.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
He said, the body of work is more valuable than
the money coming in.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
He's like, if you can just continue to.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Add quality art to that body of work, it'll catch up.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
And the key is surviving. Wow, totally surviving, being able
to pay your bills while feeling good.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
About what you're making and learning the craft. Yeah, and
you will showing up. Yeah. Yeah, all of these things
work together.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Yeah, because I think it would be if someone's listening
to this and the like, well, I'm broke. So it's
easy for you guys to say, yeah, we've.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
Been broke to the whole. I've been a house boat, bros.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
And so it's you're not listening to people that came
up with a bunch of family money.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
No, So when.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
We say, like, just keep creating the art, we also understand,
like you gotta wait tables.

Speaker 8 (57:12):
At the same time, everybody told us that you got
to move first, or dude, you guy that keep doing
what you're doing things you used to drop me nuts,
especially coming from people behind mahogany desks, you know.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
But at the same time, like it's kind of what
I say, Now.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
I know where those people now, but at least we
can share our back back story and maybe those people
behind those mahogany desks were just like us. We just
didn't know their story for sure, we just didn't know
how they got there. We just saw the desk and judged.
But still I hateous people. But you know I still
hate them.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
Why do you?

Speaker 2 (57:46):
They never had to work for anything. I was reading
a story today about how most people form my money.
They never have one single I forget how they define
the job, but basically like normal person job, they have
no idea what it's like to actually be in the workforce.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
Agreed, I can't and when they offer their opinions.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
And that's crazy to me. And they've never done it anything.
So okay, look, we could do three I'm not kidding.
We can do three hours.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
Is it over?

Speaker 2 (58:12):
It's over? But it's already over, like I've got a
three o'clock it's already three hot. Sorry you got ten
minutes ago. We've only done ten minutes with you.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
Do we say anything worth anything? We didn't recorded?

Speaker 2 (58:23):
It's the thing. This has just been warm up. Let
me ask us one lass now because we'll keep it short.
I want to do it again. We should do this
once every three months. I try to do yours. Get
a baby, I get it.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
No baby is coming.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
I like talking with you. It's not labor for to talk.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
With you guys, and feel the same way about you. Bro.
I didn't know we were done at all. We say
that a lot, but I really.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Look, Look, I'm over two minutes late. I'm too and
I'm never late to anything. But I just want to
ask this last question. I know you are late. That's
your thing. That's your thing. I'll let that be your thing.
Just that's your thing, least you want it.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
What were you going to ask?

Speaker 2 (58:59):
What's the worst thing that's happened on your podcast so far?

Speaker 3 (59:03):
Oh? I almost said something that I shouldn't. I can
we can we talk about they? So Jumps is our producer.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
She puts the sheets together that we Otherwise we were
just sitting there and talking about music and deer Hunt
and know nothing whatever, there would be no direction to
anything we were talking about.

Speaker 4 (59:27):
I'm excited about this because I have no clue, you know,
So I don't write this moment.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
So she puts little blips in there, and we're blindly
trusting that everything that goes on the sheet is true.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
Right.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
So one of the things was and he's he's a friend,
he's so clue. Wouldn't mind me saying this is?

Speaker 3 (59:46):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Jumps puts in there that should I say their name
or no, I don't say their name. Okay, this particular person, uh,
his daughter alert loves to fish, right and so and
over COVID they had this giant bonding experience and it's
just become this her passion and you know, and it

(01:00:11):
systs it says it right here. And so in the interview,
Read goes, so, tell me about your daughter and you
like bonding over this fishing thing. And he's like what
And he's like, you know right here where you said
this happened. And he's like, dude, that that's like doesn't exist.

Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
So with me and readson, my daughter's like okay with fishing,
but like most of the times she don't want to go.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
So me and Reader just like just turn and look
at it jumps like okay. So when that happens, which
is only like once every fifteen episodes, now it's become
like a beautiful thing to us at least there's some
enjoyment in it, you know, where we're like because it
just puts you in this spot where it's like, well
figure it out, buddy, because none of that shit's true.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
That's a prime vulnerability whenever you have to go yeah,
we're really wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Obviously.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
I have done it a much times too, where I've just
had the wrong information.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
My move is always just here's the sheet I was given.
I just had them and I'm like, no, yeah, I'm like,
they wrote this for me. I didn't even think it
was true either. I just give him the sheet and
then yeah, it sucks.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
No, that's I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
I thought the daughter was going to have died because
we've done it before.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
That's what I said.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
That's what I was like, we've done not with daughter,
but with parent. We've done that before.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
How's your dad doing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
He's like, well, I died, yes, very similar, and that sucks.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
It was life.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
I would not I don't know what I would do.
I don't know how I would like. Oh that you don't.

Speaker 5 (01:01:45):
The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the
Bobby Cast.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
I'll give two very tiny stories of just put my
foot in my mouth.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
Okay, I don't think we've done that yet, have we
really put our foot in our mouth yet?

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
I don't think it has to be really live. Okay,
I'll get two really time. One. Luckily we were recording,
but Sarah Evans was putting out her record and she
sits in the other one of these chairs and she
has her coffee's and that just loaded that chair right there.
Boom falls back, coffee everywhere, like the chair falls. Well,
I mean she was leaning back in it wipes out.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
Were y'all rolling? Y'all have this?

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Yeah we have, no, we have the audio.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
We played it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:35):
Why was she leaning back in a in a love seat?

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
I don't know. But also you know these are old
like antique chairs.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
That's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
But yeah, she felt and she felt hard. I was.
I had to make a quick decision. And Sarah is
a fire cracker.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
So what does your brain tell you?

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Right, my brain goes, assign yourself to one or the other.
You're either loving and caring and oh my odd, I
am so sorry laughing, or you're busting her balls. Nothing
in the middle. No, So I busted the balls and
she's said firecracker.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
It worked, okay, gratulations.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
And she made but she wiped it. It was it
was humiliating for me, not not now for her. I
felt so bad, right, Mike, It.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
Was, Yeah, it was. I saw like my life platform.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
It was really like a Terro's frame in my mind
right there, screaming of coffee going because again we didn't
say like, hey, be careful the chair, but it also
wasn't like a chair that you had to be you know,
so that and if she wasn't just awesome about it,
it had been a bad day that she did the
whole hour interview we left all did she have coffee
all over? There was coffee everywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
I used to think she was so fond. Ever been
listening to music? Have you ever been told to shut
up on your podcast?

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Wyndy Williams husband trying to beat me up after my
show once? Because so in different ways? Yeah, I mean
I've been jumped outside the building because people were like people.
Wendy Williams was a guest and told me I'll never
be her, so you stop shop be like her. Yeah,
it's a whole next episode.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
Dude, How you wait that long?

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Let me tell you my other quick story because I'm
gonna get killed told show late, I'm never let Who
did you get told hutta by you don't want to
say somebody artist?

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
Yeah, three times in a row. Of course it was
hilarious for me.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
I was like, yes, I'd have been I'd have been fighting.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
It was subtle verbally it had.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Been like no, especially if it's at my place, unless
I'm a dick or they interpreted something wrongly that I did.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Think we got to get songs cut by these guys.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
Yeah, but there's I hear you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
But I'm talking about if this is your this is
your job, you're having to walk a delicate good Good
for you, guys. There's a lot the delicate line. There's
a line the other one.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
Quickly, we took our ship in the parking lot. Yeah,
pair I and on here.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Eddie and I were doing a raging idiot show Missouri
playing a theater. It's a wonderful night. I would sold
a couple thousand tickets. We were touring pretty regularly at
the time. Get up player, funny songs, whatever. And then
we have a point of where we have like four
other band members that come out because we do a
lot of two man just straight comedy stuff right and
play funny songs and go to the next funny song.
Then we have our full band come out and we

(01:05:17):
would do like four or five songs that we had
written that weren't just straight like punchline funny but fun Yeah,
like wrote them with like Christian Bush right. It's like
sensibilities are like fun poppy. So a band comes out
and the week before somebody called in the show and said, hey,
we're coming to your show my mom. Because the girl

(01:05:37):
who called in the fan was like thirty and her
mom was like sixty. She was, my mom is coming
and she has cancer and she wants to meet you guys.
And I'm like, great, love to meet you. She's like,
it's her bucket. Let's line to meet you guys. And
so I see her and I was gonna meet her
after the show, but actually see her the end. The

(01:05:58):
girl goes, we're the ones you don't talk to you
whatever I do. I thing when I'm talking to the crowd,
she said, my mom she wanted to meet you, and
I'm like, what do you come on? Sage to the
mom was like yeah, she's super warm to it. And
she comes up and she looked healthy.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
I mean she was.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
I mean she wasn't healthy because we knew she had cancer,
but there was no reason to think if you hadn't
known yet. And I told the story and I said, hey,
she called finding cancer and I was just being playful
and I said, what you want to dance? And she's like, yeah, sure,
And so I told the band because we would do

(01:06:30):
a few covers. Oh my god, I hate sing the story.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
Gosh, I can fill the blood.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
It embarrasses me. So again, I have a full band
behind me and I and I said, hey, just play
whatever the next song song is on the set list.
It's a play, I said, play the next slow song
on the set list, just off mine. And I remember
one of the guys going, are you sure like telling
me to look at the set list, and I'm like, yeah,
just play slow dance for a little bit. And the

(01:06:56):
music starts, and so does the song and no sun
Shine when she's gone, get out of here, dude, and
I'm like, oh my god, oh my god.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
Out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
It's not one what she's away and I'm like, oh
my god, this is the worst thing that could have ever.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
The next and she picked up on it and I.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Don't think so just smooth and I got and luckily
if you don't do the I know, I don't know
for eighty minutes because my band also realized this time.
I'm like, oh, I didn't realize what was happening. They
did it like two minutes and fifteen seconds everybody clapped.
It was a great moment. I hope it was a
great moment for her. And I couldn't stop thinking about
the rest of the show. And I got back to
the bus and I was like, I'm the worst. Oh,

(01:07:37):
and I was just praying it did not exist and
go that some woment is crying and we play ain't
no sunshine when she's gone dancing with her like I
put everything in my.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
Mouth, foot, knee, elbow.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
Yeah, And I had as soon as that first aane,
Oh my god, wa, why that's a bad one.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
Doesn't happen. It happens that that doesn't happen. That really
that does That doesn't need to happen again.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Guys all me too, And I'm the idiot. Okay, I
love you guys. Let's let's let's commit to doing this
in January?

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
Is okay?

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
And then after don't cancel on a stay off.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
I won't be late. That's okay, do our podcast, right,
I tried on our podcast. I'm not having a baby.
Why don't you do our podcast in January?

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Yeah, I'm not as generous as my responses on other
people's podcasts. I'm really great.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
Well, that's all about you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
So in January one way or the other, let's do
it again.

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
I'm really all right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
Uh we did all the pre stuff, told her a
by where to follow, you guys, and you guys keep
doing a great job. You're going to be so successful
because you're showing up. But that's not why you're going
to be successful. They're showing up and you're really again,
you're compelling, and that's why you're going to be successful.
There's a lot of compelling people who don't show up,
and you guys have both.

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
What about compelling people that show up late?

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
You still showed up, no one. You were gonna get
kicked right in the balls whole time. Yeah, so all right,
good to see you guys.

Speaker 5 (01:08:57):
Thanks, Thanks Bob, thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.

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