On this episode of the BobbyCast, Bobby sits down with singer/songwriter, Sam Williams. Sam is the son of country legend Hank Williams Jr. and brought up the time his dad walked out on Bobby mid-interview a few years ago going viral. Sam also talked about having to live up to his dad and grandfather's legacy and why he's happy that he has a different name. Plus, Dolly Parton is on a song of his called "Happy All The Time", so Bobby asked how he made that happen, and Sam discussed the misinterpretation that people have about him having family money.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
I'm glad that you know, I was given my own name.
I wasn't a Hank the fourth or something like that.
And I'm sure that my dad and probably wouldn't have
wanted me to go into music at all.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
This episode is with Sam Williams. Sam is Hank Williams
junior son, so that makes Hank william Senior his grandpa.
And I really wasn't going to bring up the dad
thing that Hank Williams Junior him leaving the studio. I
wasn't going to bring it up, especially upfront in the interview,
maybe not at all, because I never want the kid
of an artist to feel like that's the only reason
(00:42):
we're talking to them. So I was relieved when he
brought it up, immediately got ready to do it. Yeah.
To him, I think he was like, well, we're probably
gonna talk about this, so let's just jump right in.
So I had never met Sam before at two Country
Star is out now. It came out July eleventh, so
go check it out, go stream it. It's got seven
tracks on it, and we talk about all of it,
talk about his grandpa, talking about his dad, talk about
(01:03):
his career, why it's different, what it was like growing
up as Hank Junior son, all of that here with
Sam Williams. By the way, his Instagram is Sam Williams,
except it's spelled with a V not an A, so
it looks like Sam will of Them's. Yeah, we'll put
it in the episode notes. You can bind it. Yeah,
it's hard to explain here he is Sam Williams. Sam,
it is nice to meet you, man. Nice to meet
(01:23):
you too. This is amazing. I don't think we met
no a lot of times in this town. As you'll
probably back me up on this, you meet people very
quickly and you don't remember meeting them because it's like
six seconds. And sometimes I'll be like, hey, nice to
meet you, and they're like, oh, we've we met once,
or you know of or know what they're known for. Well,
I know of you and yeah what you're known for? Yeah,
and I know your music, but we've never met. I
(01:44):
don't think.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Well, I've always been familiar with you in a way,
you know, not super close, but I know my dad
on your podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I was familiar with that when he walked down of
the show. Yeah, that's funny.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Everybody in the world sending this to me, They're like.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Did you see. I know you're busy. Did you see
your dad did this week? I'm like, I'm sure he did,
you know, And I respected it, and I've talked about
it a couple of times since because all my friends
sent it to me. And in the moment, I didn't
think much of it. Meaning people come in, your dad
obviously very famous. I didn't realize he wanted to smoke
(02:17):
a cigar, like. I didn't know the real reason. So
I'm glad you brought this up, because I may have
never even brought this up. Your dad, who I grew
up listening to because my grandmother was a massive fan,
and so I grew up listened to your dad and
he was coming. I was like, great, it was him,
And it was one of the guys of Black Keys
who was producing the record, Dan, Yeah, Dan already, And
so they came in and your dad just had a
(02:38):
big personality about him, and I was like, classic Hank
Hank Junior, deep breath, yeah, and he was on. But
I'm okay, like I'm up for it. Yeah, And so
We're kind of going back and forth, and I'm like,
this is the game. I'm totally in. I didn't realize
somebody told him he couldn't smoke a cigar in the building,
and that's why he was ready to get out of there.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah, so that was just like one sentence that that
damaged everything.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah, happens sometimes people.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
For me, sometimes people just do things though they can,
they just do things. And he is one of those
people that just does things, and wanting to smoke a
cigar and not getting to is probably one of them.
But I guess apologies on his behalf. But that's that's
the icon stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I thought, that's pretty cool. That's honestly what I thought.
Because I didn't. I also didn't back down, But it
wasn't like I didn't feel like we're fighting. It just
felt like we're both like, all right, well, if this
is ain't right, we'll just go on to the next thing.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Well, I think he's unfamiliar with like this environment of
like doing this type of thing. It was a long
time ago that he was more doing that and you know,
used to doing whatever he wants. He would rather be
in a deer stand or like something like that, planning
where to hunt bear in Minnesota. But but yeah, everybody
would send that to me, be like have you seen this?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I'm like yes, that's so funny. It was really one
of my favorite moments last like ten years or so
because it was real.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
It was absolutely there's a lot that's not real, and
at least that that's a real moment.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Right, And it never felt like honestly angry, like I
think both of us were just like, all right, cool,
I mean you you can go.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Oh and he got the joke in about the how
this there's this much left on a cigar that Uncle
Harold used to say, that's like an ism, you know,
that's like always.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
So that's at least a few quotables. I'm glad you
brought that up because I may have forgotten all about that.
It is, well, you walked in, you're mitching the lion.
We have these lions like where when you walk in there,
I don't know if you touched one of them. I
did not. I didn't know if that was well they don't.
They're not like super valuable or anything, but we have
these lions by our pool and they're probably five feet taller.
(04:34):
So we ordered them. We went to one of these
websites and it was like they'll deliver it from Atlanta
and my wife one of these lions and they were like,
they're three hundred pounds each. And so I remember it
was my birthday and there were a few of us
over at the house and they delivered these two lions
that are three hundred pounds each. I bet you they
weigh a thousand pounds. We couldn't get him out of
the truck. The poor guy who delivered them was like,
I don't know what to do. Like we took us
like a mike what an hour hour and a half
(04:56):
at least we had to. We couldn't even get them
back here. We rolled them out of the truck into
the yard and left them for a week. Like they're
that heavy.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
You had to get like a whole dolly situation to
get it back.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
We had a dollie. We broke the dollie. We had
to hire people, oh my gosh, to come and bring
those lines. So thank you for at least acknowledging those lions.
Oh they're the whole vibe.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
They're like they're over they're overlooking the pool.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
They are and that is basically a thousand pounds crazy. Uh. Anyway,
I'm gonna tell you why I like you and why
I've always well, I've known who you are why I'm
fond of what you do, mostly because of how you
do it. Meaning I've always been given crap since my
arrival in Nashville because I don't really look like I
was supposed to look, meaning especially when I got here.
(05:36):
No belt buckle, no cowboy hat. Yeah, and even though
I'm from Arkansas and spent a lot of my life
moving around and trailer park, like I was like like
white trash, redneck country, but I wasn't cowboy and that
wasn't considered real. And I'm in cardigans and I'm wearing
nice tennis shoes and they're like, well, yeah, you're not
country spectacles. Yeah, nerdy, great point, Thank for minum I
and nerdia nerdy glasses. But I think that's also I
(05:59):
think what I've been drawn to about what you do
is you kind of and I mean this in a
complimenty well you kind of don't care.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Yeah, I mean I think that it's it's kind of
natural for me. I don't really care. I mean I
think that I have plenty of insecurities that show their
face all the time. But I mean, even you, like
you're sneakers right here. These are Louis Vuitton off white Nike.
It's a whole filing like you knowing that and like
you've made that cool people. What's his name, Jesse Frasier. Yeah,
(06:25):
his shoes are crazy.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
You know.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
So it's like a cool thing now. So I think that,
you know, the more people get to like what they like,
because liking stuff is cool, and doing stuff is cool,
and being yourself is cool, you know, uh, it becomes
a little bit more normalized. But I think that sometimes
I have to you know, know that I'm going against
the grain, But a lot of the time I just
can't help it.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
It's just I'm.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Gonna do what I want to do, and I'm gonna
do my damn dist you know, to do it well.
And you know, I was never I was never gonna
fit in the preconceived boxes and you know, and image
of what is the Nashville standard, and you know, as
you're saying so in music and definitely with my legacy,
it's it's completely you know.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Compounded by that.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
But that's why I think I kind of have no
choice but to just be exactly myself.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Well, you have the pressure and I and the bonus
of a legacy, right like that, It's not just amazing
because there's a lot of it is cool, but there's
a lot of pressure to the legacy, like things that
people will compare you to unfairly even if you don't
ask for it.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, do you ever think about not using the name? No,
I mean I think that it'd be fun. I make
plenty of jokes all the time about what would my
stage name do? But I mean it's authentics, no gimmicks,
It's just my name. And I'm glad that you know,
I was given my own name. I wasn't a Hank
the fourth or something like that. And I'm sure that
(07:51):
my dad and probably wouldn't have wanted me to go into.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Music at all. He would rather do not. I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah, I'm sure his mom, Audrey. I've never met Audrey.
She died twenty some years before I was born. I'm
sure she would have made sure that I was in music.
That I would have been learning, you know stuff when
I was little. So, I mean I kind of came
to not with much musical background. You know, my dad's
a whistler at home, a whistler talk about the weather
(08:19):
going down the road home, and you know, not playing records,
and this is what I love, you know, not like
me and my kid in the car necessarily at all.
So I think that it was like a scary thing
for me for a long time of if this is
something I wanted to do, what would it look like
for me?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I like Britney Spears and Justin Bieber and JT.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
You know, so as a kid, I think it was
something I very much shot away from. And then later
on it just kind of made sense. You know, for
a while, it doesn't. You don't know what you're doing
and you're doing something, and then you know, I think
just over the past couple of years, it's kind of
just all fell in line for me, like I get
it now. I get what I'm supposed to do and
like how to do it and it and it feels good,
(09:00):
you know. I think that a lot of people probably
like me as a writer, you write the most sad
music first, I mean, you just out the gate with
it because it's like dying to get out in a way.
And with the new project, I'm definitely able to be
able to have fun with my music for one of
the first times. Kind of similar, I think, and I've
kind of realized to my dad in the in the
(09:22):
seventies and into the eighties of not wanting. He would
always reference not wanting to sing those old sad songs,
you know, in many things and feeling Better even, which
is one of my favorites. And then the sound kind
of changed and there was a more of a pride
and a joy to the raucousness to the music.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah that it changed too for him, Yeah, yeah, big time.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Well, I mean The Mountain Fall did that too. But
uh yeah, you know, all my reinvention comes from Hayting Junior,
not all of it, but I think that, you know,
I had to. I was very adamant about writing all
my songs, writing all my music and it being something unique.
So if somebody didn't like it or they wanted to
(10:02):
take power from me because they didn't like what I
was doing, that it was still something very real, you know.
And I think that's always been my thing, and who
knows where my career's going, but like, I always have
that to fall back on. And I think with this project,
I'm really having fun with it and been able to,
you know, really open it up, and I'm just trying to.
I'm knocking on the ceiling, you know. I feel like
(10:24):
with each thing that I do. So I'm trying to
that Jelly Roll intro is cool. Yes, yeah, yeah, this
one the documentary we did together.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
It's super cool.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Man.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I saw him the opry at the Rhyman like years ago.
He was there with Ernest and friends with Ernest, and
he yelled at me and he's like.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Hey, Sambo, when we gonna do that record?
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Man? And I didn't really think anything of it. I
was like, oh, man, Jelly Roll, he's crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah, I should have done that.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I still want to, but I've actually, you know, it
is a crazy thing what's happened with Jelly Roll. And
one of the you know, one of the really cool
things about it is that a lot of it is
from an authenticity that he does talk about all the
dark stuff and what he came from, even if he's
doing something different.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Now. I was watching your TikTok where you're playing Jelly
talking about you and you're like, this is my intro?
Did you rehearsal? Yeah? Yeah, you're kind of sitting there
playing where did that come from? As in, did you
lead him somewhere to say that? Did you say? Like what?
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I didn't even meet I've never met him since years ago.
We were in the same documentary called Rebel Country that's
like going somewhere, and I think it was about the
artists featured in it. What do they represent about being
a rebel in country or what does that mean? And
they just I saw it at the screening that he
just said that about me.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
No, that's like the greatest ww hype.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah, come on, yeah, I want I want a whole one,
you know. I want like my dad has in the show,
all these references.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Got it.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I just know all the words to all of them
from country artists like Justin Moore definitely, Jase Noldan or
Luke or something. It's all them referencing him in songs
like a mashup and I want one from Dolly Parton.
That's what I need, you know, one of my favorite
things here.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
And we've got to work together. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
She's on my first album on a song called Happy
All the Time.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
You want me to tell a story on that? I
would love to hear.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
God, she was really crazy. I was making my son
breakfast one day. My manager calls with this idea and
she's like, we gotta get Dolly Onhappy all the Time.
And I was like, really, like I'm really young, like
you really just kind of ruined my day, Like I
want to dream big, you know I do. I'm a
big dreamer, but come on now. And we just kind
(12:43):
of focused everything on it, tried to see any way
we could get to her, and it ended up happening
through this really amazing sweet lady that my friend Bobby
Tomberland is friends with. He's an older songwriter here, but
he's like a country music history buff. He's the best
and news one close to her that does does Dolly's
hair and has for years. And she just felt this
(13:06):
calling to to get her this song. She says she'd
never given her a song from someone in family or
friends in like thirty years. And I made a little
package and I wrote a letter and like I type
wrote the lyrics so happy all the time out it
looked a mess kind of and I laminated it, but
it was cute, like.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
It was you laminated it.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
That's a no, Like yeah, I was like, I know
Dolly Parton, We're like the same. Like I'm about to
laminate this and she's gonna she's gonna think this is
the whole thing. I'm sending her a care package and
like in modern warfare this is and she was moved
by it.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
And she was yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
And one time I had to for her to listen
to the song after getting it, I had to drive
a boombox from Target in Brentwood to her offices in
the rain. I'm like buzzing the gate, like, hey, this
is Sam Williams. I have this speaker for Mss Dolly.
(13:59):
Sheught she said to bring she has to listen to
it on a CD and they're like what. They finally
let me in. I give it to her and we
didn't meet them.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
We met later on.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
But it was just amazing because she wanted. She was
very detailed in asking me. I wrote to her what
the song was about to me, and it was really
special then and she asked what exactly do you want
me to do? What lines would you like me to do?
And how should I answer to this? And it was awesome.
You know, she's I think she's always overly gracious than
(14:31):
what is expected or required.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
You know, I agree, Yeah, she's been that way to
me too, and she definitely has not had to be
that way. No, because she really doesn't have to do
anything anymore. No, anything from her comes from her wanting
or feeling like a situation deserves her help, especially all
the charity work she does too, Right, Yeah, I feel
like when she works with me in any way whatsoever, that's
charity with you, that's art with me, that's charity. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
I was appealing to I was feeling to Ethos real.
I mean I wrote to her about the song. I think
she really there was like just some like weird parallels
at the time. I'm from West Tennessee, she's from East Tennessee.
I come from money in this big you know, big legacy,
but a lot of tragedy at the same time. They
just danced together and she came from you know, kind
(15:16):
of nothing and built something incredible, and you know, we
talked about that some and she was kind of she
was hard on me though, like a little bit stern.
Why haven't you done this? You should have did an
album like this?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Was it advice? What are you doing? Yes?
Speaker 1 (15:34):
But it was a bit advised, but it was bit
Dolly Parton business advice.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
You know, it was mega.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
So I was terrified and she's just you know, I
think that she delets such an impact.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
That's the thing. Growing up, was there music around you, say,
your dad wasn't you used historian for describing somebody else.
Was there a bunch of music accessible to you? Or
was it because he his life was so much music,
and your grandfather's lif and like a lot of your
family does music. Was there no music because it was
(16:05):
so much music?
Speaker 1 (16:06):
To be honest, it was more like that. I mean,
my dad had shows. He had shows in the summer.
He does this most of the time. I mean, when
I was little, it was probably different. But uh, you know,
I think that playing guitar and writing songs in twenty
minutes and you know, rowdiness probably phased out by the
time I was five, in two thousand and two, at
(16:28):
least on his side, you know. So, I mean, I
think that there's definitely there's probably a lot of unsaid
blockage there, you know, for all of us. He didn't
get to grow up with his dad, and people don't
really know that.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
They just think that. And he did it.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
My dad was a lot older when I was born.
It was it was I'm from Paris, Tennessee. You know,
so I came from a really small place to strove
from there. This morning, you're still there, No, I just
I went back to real steaks with my friends and
my son wanted to fish and yeah, so I mean
it's nice. A lot has changed, but we still have
(17:01):
a piece there and a place there, so you know,
hold on to that. But no, I mean I think
that my dad doesn't like to He doesn't talk about
music and listen to music. He talks about guns. He
loves guns, history of guns, making bullets. This war fall
off a mountain in Montana, you know, Mozambique one time.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
This grizzly bear.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
That's what my dad's vernacular is. He's a performer to
everyone else, you know, all the time. So I really
was able to draw inspiration from music from whatever I
exposed myself to, which was a lot.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
You know, when did you start learning music at what age?
M like to sing? Yeah, like to actually create, more
so than hearing songs.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
I mean I just would do weird stuff as a kid.
I told my mom I wrote Lucky about Britney Spears
for her, and I was singing it for my sister.
Came running down the stairs, my late sister Katie, and
she was.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Like, that's a Britney Spears song. That's my favorite song.
He didn't write that. I'm the one who played it.
For him. I was so upset, sad that is I
love that this is a story.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Yeah, so, I mean I never got technical with it.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Then.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
I actually moved to Nashville at fourteen and lived here
for a semester, my first semester of high school, and
I thought I was gonna take voice lessons, start doing stuff,
and like, you know, I didn't want my time to
run out, Like I think, I'm scared of failure and
I always have been since very young. And I was like,
everybody's doing stuff, I have to be doing stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
To you moved here at fourteen? What do you mean?
Who did you live with? Me? And my mom lived here?
Got it?
Speaker 1 (18:36):
It was just six months and I went back home
and it was it was kind of a lot. I
wasn't really ready for it yet I wanted to be.
I wasn't used to living around a bunch of like
rich kids and stuff either.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
It was strange to me. Were you the rich kid
in Paris? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:51):
For sure, and it comes with its People don't like that,
you know. I grew up like very used to that.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
But like, but were you known as the rich kid
or was it obvious you were the rich kid? I
think there's a difference, like did you dress probably both nicer?
Do you have nicer stuff than everybody else? No? I
was like a little kid.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
No, but like i've I just have like a outlandish
fashion taste and always kind of have. And that was
the you know, experimental period. So and I do like cars,
but like, no, I mean I think that cars.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
I was like as a kid when I turned like eleven,
I all I talked about was my first car for.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Five years, Well, what's your first car?
Speaker 1 (19:28):
It was a two thousand and eight BMW X five
from Gadston, Texas, and it was tan metallic and it
had big rims and brown mahogany inside. I was like
really planning on balling out and.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Why that car? Why that car? Yeah? He said, you're
talking about it for five years. I don't know if
that was the same car through all five years.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Oh No, I was just annoying. I was like talking
to my dad all the time, like I can't wait
to get a car. Why'd you pick the BMW? I
tried to get a hardship license. I just really liked
the color. It had a secret compartment on the dashboard
that I thought was cool and had like the big
flaps on the back, the older big bass like X
fives and the big buffler's kind of on it, and
(20:11):
I did it.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Was just super dope to me. You still like cars? Yeah,
I don't have enough money to you know, well, now
I'm confused to flex money. But now you're saying you
don't have money.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Well, I mean as a kid, I grew up you
know with money. Now, Oh, I mean it's I don't
look around.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
I'm trying to find it, you know, I try to
find it. So you're saying there's just not a bunch
of money that's fed to you all the time.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Now, oh no, No, I don't. I think a lot
of me and Holly. I don't know, if you know Holly.
Me and Holly have this conversation all the time sometimes,
like people think that we just like were born and
just ate Hey, good looking cheerios and just freaking family
tradition till you know the cows went home, And that's
not it. You know, my dad's like a frugal, frugal
(20:57):
man born in nineteen forty nine. You know, it was
a different world then. That's really what he said about
the cigar. But no, I mean my dad obviously helps
me in ways and has been there for me in
many ways before. But you know, I mean, like all
my dad's kids have been on our own thing.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
When did you kind of have to go out and
do it yourself.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Probably about kind of always. But my son was born.
I was nineteen, so it was a little bit different then.
But you know, I got a publishing deal when I
was It just turned twenty one, so it was about then.
So you know, I'm jealous of people with the lake
Martin lake houses and the big boats. I went on
a big boat recently the other day.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Big boat, like a lake yacht.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Yeah yeah, and that's really nice. So you know, I'm
I'm trying to get one of those one day. So
right now I'm making my my fun on the lake
kind of songs. So you know, walk in that direction.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
That's the goal. Big boat, Yeah kind of. But like
I just grew up on the lake.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
It's not even really a materialistic thing like guns, just
a sun dancer.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
No, do you know a lot about the history of guns,
because you're because my stepdad was obsessed with the Civil War.
I was obsessed with like nineteen sixties baseball.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
My dad's obsessed with like the Civil War. I don't
know about the history guns. I know more about like
the history of the world and like international affairs than
I do.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
That was what I brought a liking to. What kind
of student were you? I was a really.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Exceptional student for kind of all ways. And then by
high school I had gotten into the places I wanted
to go and just kind of stopped.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
The dream died for a.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Minute, and then I ended up going to school here
in Nashville for a few years in entertainment industry studies
whatever that means.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
And what does that mean. It's just a way to
be able to come to Nashville commit and go to
school when really you're coming to Nashville to actually do entertainment.
That's what I feel like it is.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
For a lot of that's just when you just don't
know what you're doing yet. Some people are just in
an incubation period for too long and they're just in
that for too long. But I was just doing anything.
I mean, I took before I was really really writing.
I remember my first year at Belmont taking a songwriting
course and I didn't really know what I was doing
at all, And I don't know though, like looking back,
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that was kind of the beauty of it. And when
I work with people like that are more esteemed like
a John Paul White or Jim Lauderdale or you know,
people you know respected for their writing, they kind of
celebrate that blank slateness approach to making music and like
just even writing the other day, like I kind of
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I don't like to write the titles. I come in
and see what I find and what I get to
and it's a lot a lot of conversation into what's
the message and what's the feeling and to get what
I want to say. And I think that you you
take pieces of everything that's inspired you, and I just
kind of tend to like to create in the moment,
and I think maybe that changes at some point, you know,
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there's always like a weird evolution to the creating.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
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Speaker 2 (24:11):
Country Star Act two. What's up with the acts? Why
are they not different records? Like? Really, what is I
don't know what you're why are you doing it like that?
What's up with all the podcasts? No? I hear you,
but I label mind different for different reasons. Oh, okay,
I'm just kidding. I mean I think that you know,
there's a creative aspect is the act like but also
the same show, but it's different parts of this act.
(24:33):
I guess that's that's what my question about the record is,
like in your mind creatively, why did you name it
and separate them like this?
Speaker 1 (24:39):
I had too many songs and to not be a
big artist. I'm not on country radio. I'm not supported
by like a lot of the big.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Big boys here.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
So I mean I had a lot of songs and
a lot of creativity, and it's like where do we go?
So I think that I kind of created this idea
to show a different side of me in each thing
and to build a world, three different worlds out of
the different music I make, because that's kind of always
been a thing too. Was that like not was just
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Sam being himself? But Sam's being so himself, like he's
this sounds nothing like this, and we like when he
sings the sad ballads, so why let's do that? And
I think that I was dying to grow and I'd
made songs like no Problem, and then when I had
written Country Star, I was like, I think this is
a whole thing, and we gotta, like, I want to
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spread this out and introduce my music to people in
a few different steps, and you know, get to show
them different sides of me, because nobody else is going
to do it for me. You know, I can't wait
on one moment to launch my career and then do
everything after. I think, you know, it's just industry's changed.
So I think that with this with Thatt too, truthfully
(25:53):
and creatively, I'd say the projects kind of revolve around fear, scarlet,
lonesome from last year. It's more fear of losing love,
losing someone, not finding yourself, you know, kind of the
the figuring it out Country Star is more so the
chaos of you know, fear of failure, fear of not
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being yourself. And you know, I think that there's a
lot of like chaos and mania that comes with the
hard parts of life and figuring out who you are
and trying to do it on purpose. And I wanted
to embrace all the different sides of me, and I
kind of naturally have a tendency to the darkness get
into my music somewhere when I'm trying not to. So
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I think songs like killed a man in Tennessee. That's
a song that's on Act two. You know, there's there's
hip hop in it, and I'm singing all over it
and stuff, and it's kind of just me creating something
new and I'm getting to take ownership of some of
my story that hasn't fit into the rest of my
music so far. You know, it's not all sadness that's
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in me, and I think there's a lot of it,
but people see that on the product. You know what
I put out more than the joyous and kind of
driven and dreaming side of me, and that gets to
come out here.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Who are your favorite artists? Oh of all time? You're
gonna give me guidelines or I just start now. I
would just say you can even do ages because I
I think the artist listen to growing up. Yeah, shaped you,
even if you don't realize they shaped you. I think
about that because when you say Britney Lucky as a kid,
I really loved.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Britney Spears probably early Cheetah Girl stage, loved Chris Brown,
Justin Timberlake for sure. I had the Justin Bieber haircut
when he came out, and it was it was a problem.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
There was at the flot the bank Flop.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
There was an early jealousy there and I was like,
is he hot? Do I want to be him?
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Like? What is this?
Speaker 1 (27:56):
And I've kind of always you know, I love Justin
Bieber too. I think I really loved Tyler Childers when
he'd first kind of come out right before Purgatory and
after that, and that shaped a lot of my voice
kind of at the time, and the writing I was
doing because I think, you know, moving here probably ages
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eighteen nineteen twenty, I was just trying to absorb writing
as well, like try to listen to a Joni Mitchell record.
I love Laurie McKenna songwriter, like what did her earlier
song sound like?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
What do people's songs sound like? That never came out.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
I listened to a lot of hip hop music, So
I mean, I think my favorite artist now would definitely
be I'm a Big Barb.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
I love Nicki Minaj.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
It's like the creativity, the invention, the determination, and so
twenty ten's hip hop Drake, Nicki Wayne, I love Jay Cole.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
But on a.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Daily basis, I probably am one of those more nostalgialists
that is listening to like your older favorite songs, me
and my son do a lot of Sean Kingston, old
Sean Kingston. I throw in some random Hank Williams sometimes
just to you.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Try to teach him to get it in there, teach
him music about who great grandpa was.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Oh yeah, I mean he has plenty of questions. So,
I mean, Hanky talkin is the song on Act two
that's coming out or that you did with Yeah, I'm singing.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
With my grandpa. I did it. Yeah, we were in
the studio. Yeah. I don't know how to refer to him,
your grandpa or Hank. Yes, yeah, I mean because I
watched you. I watched you the announcement of you talking
about it, and I've seen some stuff where you're like, hey,
I'm gonna do this. Was that emotional at all?
Speaker 1 (29:44):
No, it would be for me, you know, if it
does well, probably, But I mean I've done some stuff
of I covered I'm So Lonesome I could cry, And
that was really really special to do because it was
very reimagined and new chords to it, kind of a
new thing and honky Tonking I wanted to do something
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fun and exciting and have another record on Act two
that you know, ties pieces of my story together. There's
just a lot there, and I want to do something
that was kind of campy and that was fun and
not you know, I'm not trying to have a songwriting
exercise competition here, and I do that too much. I
want to do the perfect little anecdote, you know. And
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it actually wrote a couple of different versions of Honky
Tonkin and came to one that just felt like the
perfect amount of quirkiness and polish, but you know, also
just fun. And the tag and the pedal steel feels
so so so long ago, so seventy five years ago,
and it also sounds like, you know, the music being
(30:47):
made nowadays.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
And uh.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
With I think with my kid, my son, with Hank Senior,
he has more questions about did pop pop sing the
national anthem at super this?
Speaker 2 (31:00):
You know a little bit more of that? And pop
pops your dad, yeah, which is his grandfather.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yes, yes, my dad goes pop pop for most grandkids. So,
I mean, he has many questions, but it's it's a
lot to understand for him. I think there's a lot
of loss in my family and there has been from
a long time before me and a lot since me.
So I think it's you know, it's probably a lot
to take in, you know. I mean, my dad was
on Post Malone's album.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
That was the.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Coolest thing ever to him. You know, He's like, did
they what did they do? I'm like, I don't think
they met. He's got a pretty cool name. Yeah, but
I mean I think that, you know, he does a
great job with it. I think I did. I do
pretty great with it.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Now. It's a lot of pressure. But as a kid,
it was like type in on Google. It was scary,
did you Yeah, I guess you could find out stuff
on Google. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Google was around, and I guess two thousand and seven
I was ten. Yeah one Google. I was like, how
many results? No, you're Tennyson? Yes, what's where's the name
come from?
Speaker 2 (32:05):
It's actually a writer, Alfred Lord Tennyson.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
He's a British poet a long time ago with the
Lightning Brigade.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
So I think I was trying to have him pass
at the Supreme Court Justice test, like is it that interesting?
Speaker 2 (32:21):
You know? Do you want him to do music? No?
I don't.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
I think he could be great probably anything he'd like
to do, and he may want to.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
But do you think your dad felt exactly the same
way about you. Yeah, yeah, And now do you understand.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
My dad used to say he's going to be a
senator all the time.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Never had the desire to be a senator.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
I did, though, you did, Yeah, I sure did. I
totally wanted to do that.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Why, well, it's not like past tense. You still can't
do it. You're still very young. But why I guess
nowadays you can do whatever you want. Did you just
say it and then you can do it? Boom? Yeah?
So you still maybe want to do politics. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
I mean, it depends on how I look at thirty nine.
If it's really given politics, if it's really given like
thirty nine, if it's given like House of Representatives, yeah,
and microphone in suits and tailored suits, then if we
might just have to do it. You like being on stage, yeah, me,
(33:19):
And I like when people know what they're talking about.
I don't like when people have no idea what they're
talking about.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Keep going like you know, everybody has a microphone and
platform a lot nowadays, there's a there's an oversaturation to it.
And that's in more than just you know, commentary, it's
in everything. I don't think it would have worked out though.
If I would have been a senator, my dad would
have been really mad if it would have worked out.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Because it doesn't align. Yeah, it would.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
It would have just been a disconnect. It would have
been like, you know, storm the Capitol. It would I
don't know, yeah, I feel yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
How many shows are you doing? Now? Are you playing
a bunch this summer?
Speaker 1 (33:57):
It has been like CMA Fest just happened to me,
really really busy. I just had to operat the other night,
kind of last minute, and trying to plan some stuff
around the album coming out. But the rest of the
year is a little bit open right now, and it's
figuring out the rest of music everything just that I'm
working on. And I'd really love to get a tour
for the end of this year, but I don't have
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anything announced right now.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Where do you feel you can be the most creative,
And I'll give you an example. Mine is setting. Mine
is a shower because I have no phone. I would,
but it get wet so I can't. I do all
my glasses on and it's like the only time and
only space I have where really nothing can get to me,
and it's where my mind is the freest, and I'll
and I come up with more mostly bad ideas, but
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every once in a while one it's pretty good, Like
mine is the shower. That's where I'm probably inspired the most.
Where is it for you?
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Well, I think the most to to just songwriting, and
I'm just on the ground, Like I write pen and paper,
so or highlighter and paper?
Speaker 2 (34:58):
You still write? Yeah? Yeah, I say still you probably
always written pin of paper? Then huh yep? Why why
not a laptop? Why not your phone? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Well, I like to make like it's just about placement.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
I'm a visual learner.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
I have to make a whole like it's just I
don't know how to describe it. But if I'm writing
like a lot of words, I don't know if I'm
going to use these words or what they mean. Like
I gotta make like a bubble type map and look
at them and figure out how I'm putting them together
and what is what am I actually saying? But that's
to do with music though, like actual good ideas for life,
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I have no idea where I think of those that
I want to figure out.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
The Bobby cast will be right back. This is the
Bobby cast.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Can you write by schedule meaning I'm gonna write ten
am tomorrow and at ten am you sit down, you write,
not alone?
Speaker 1 (35:59):
No, I mean co writes all the time, so like, yeah,
it's my job.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
But scheduled writing with others. But if it it's just yourself,
I wouldn't do as well.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
No, it'd be more when am I like actually, aha,
you know I think by myself it would just.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Feel more, feel more forced.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
It's like you need to have this piece of content
up at this time blah blah blah, and you need
to feel like this in it.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
You know. Do you feel the constant pressure to constantly
produce content you don't understand? Yeah, oh I'm sure you do.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
But when you're when you haven't had like big moments yet,
like it's just this is just a different thing now.
You know, it's not all about the just making music anymore.
It's about what are you? And believe me, like I
I do my best to be me as as I can,
but you know, you got to be very out there.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Some of my friends like are the big like Lana fans.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
They're like, oh my gosh, dude, if Lana had to
come out now with like everything that we do. I
don't think she would have won to keep at it
for long enough to become.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Like a legend. You know. It's just it's just kind
of staying the course. What are you gonna do?
Speaker 1 (37:07):
I'm always complaining my managers, like, are you just gonna
give up?
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Sam? You're gonna give.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Up because your video, you know, it's just a lot
bigger than that. But uh, we get bogged down with
a lot of the stuff now. But it's like, it's
just the noise.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Do you feel I guess there are a couple of
ways you can feel about this At times. I know
that I feel annoyed if I have something I'm really
happy with and proud of in a post and it
doesn't do anything, and that can be frustrating. It could
be very frustrating. Like I put a lot of work,
a lot of time, a lot of effort. I'm like, man,
I think this should really do well, and it doesn't.
That's frustrating. Oh yeah it is. But then there are
times where I do the stupidest thing and it's like, oh, look, Dawn,
(37:39):
it's got one point one million stupid views and that's
cool and all. But I'm like, I really there's the
stuff I want to matter, Yeah, matter, do I get frustrated?
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Probably it's like always the thing that you're looking forward
to that you worked too to like announce or like do,
and it's like mmm, yeah, you know that is definitely
for us trading. But I mean, I don't know, it's
like what are you gonna do? I think we, me
and my team probably have conversations like this all the
time because I want to give people, you know, different
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worlds of music, different sounds, different looks.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
You know.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
I'm really in tune with my fashion and image and
what am I saying and how does it?
Speaker 2 (38:20):
You know?
Speaker 1 (38:21):
And I think that it's just so damn fast now
that like a lot of that doesn't even catch up
with people. It's just a different time. I think the
people that are amazing at it, I'm like astounded by,
like how do you do this?
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Like just never miss a beat? In a way.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
I've been really proud of Dasha, you know. I mean
Dasha's one song. I knew Dasha a little bit before,
you know, before the song, and her whole life is
like you know, craziness now and it's and it's it's
running with it and she's done a really awesome job
at it, and I think that a lot of people
don't get credit for when you do get something and
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you got to handle your whole life, you know, from there.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
I don't know. I think where part would be frustrating
that it doesn't pop. What you just said there is
kind of the hope is that there really isn't like
a single gatekeeper anymore, and anything could pop off at
any time. Literally, Yeah, and your life could be changed
in three days because something catches and it spreads and
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then there's the spotlight on you by the people that
want to invest in you. And yeah, I really could
all change like that, and the only way to actually
make it change is to keep working. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Yeah, And I think that, you know, I probably, like
everyone else, sometimes let the fear and that anything else
get in the way of, you know, trying to subscribe
to that. I think adding Honky talking to my project
was like, I'm gonna do something fun and it's my
legacy and I'm gonna say stuff that they're gonna be
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like why did he even say that? Just because that's
just how I am. And you know, that was like
a fun thing to add to this. And I have
another album coming out after and it's like, yeah, I
may not be the best at making tiktoks all the
time and like trying to make them swaggy or sexy
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or like so funny ha ha.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
I'm just not really like that. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
I can't find the time of the day too. I
guess I'm busy and it's just a new thing. I
kind of feel old like trying to get it and
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
But I do.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
I know I'm good at the making music and the
telling a story and you know, making taking somewhere someone
somewhere different when they're listening, you know. So I mean
I think maybe maybe this will maybe this will blow
over in a couple of years.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
No, I don't think it is. It's still in the fashion.
Yeah yeah, power rank your favorite brands, your favorite brands, Yeah,
I'll go, I'll match you one for one, Okay.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
I mean I have like cheap favorite brands too. Back
into old Navy again.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
But if I were to say you get five unlimited
for a whole day, what brand do you go to first?
It could be any brand, any clothing brand. I wear a.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Lot of fix clothing. It's in London. These are fixed
the g Yeah, probably this shirt too.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
These are like a.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Rolling Stones collection. Okay, I'm gonna think of right now today.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
I want like one store you get to go into
any store and have everything you want, because for me,
it's probably like Bottega. Okay, that's probably my number one.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
I don't have anything from there, but I would go
to Christian Dior because I like the vibe.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
And the resale is crazy. You have the saddle bags.
I just I've always wanted one of those.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
I've gone in there and looked at one so many times, no,
and I was not getting it.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Just to recheck it real quick, like the dude saddle bags, Yeah, yeah,
they're awesome.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
And just the little ones. I just kind of like them. Yeah,
and then I'm gonna I'm gonna put in a dumb
one and say, uh, Tractor Supply because there's so much
I could get in there and have someone help me
put at my house or Tracked.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
What Supplies fun is they have everything people do. It's
like if they don't know, they don't know it's not
a tractor store track and I Supply has everything they do. Yeah,
it's like you're going into Kmart. There's a little bit
of everything.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
And I just like their corny southern kind of like
stuff out there. I'm like, oh, this windmill with a cow,
love it.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
It does have cracker barrel vibes and part of it. Well,
I'm just in that era of my life.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
I'm sure one day, if i'm you know, rich and
have something else, I want my house to look like
this lion out here.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
But for right now, you don't want the lion. Yeah,
you get a plastic one. Don't have to worry about
how I have you that thing is.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Yeah, I mean I think I could use some accessories,
so I'm gonna go Swarowski.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
I used to like that as a kid.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Yeah. I used to always get like a pen and
I was obsessed with my pen, like you know. Yeah yeah,
And I'm blanking kind of so much today.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
But I've never had anything from Marnie. Yeah, so that'd
be fun to go look at. I guess I had
a couple of coalies from Marnie.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Oh yeah, see, I'd want some of those those fuzzy
ones that I'm never washing. I'm never even put them
somewhere for someone to get clean. I'm really bad at laundry.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
You send it the dry cleaner though. That's why I
do anything that I'm scared of it, like getting messed
up right to the dry cleaner. I take it off
right when I get home, hang it right back up
because I don't want to have to send it to
be cleaned at all, because it loses like generations of wear. Yeah,
but then every once in a while you got to
send it in.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
I was in a rush here and didn't know what
I was gonna wear. Was calling somebody and my son's
in the car. My son's in the car, and he
was like, okay, and I'd like to wear this old
navy blue and white kind of floral jacket with blue
and white Versace sneakers. And he had it all together
and he was like this and this, are you gonna
wear that? I was like, no, I'm not. I'm sorry,
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but it is good.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Talk to me for a second about Versace. It's just
too loud for me. Most of stuff from Versace I
wouldn't like.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
But like one thing like I have, like sneakers, like
all see that I really love. But if it was
like print, you know, I think they make more. They
make more beautiful, interesting stuff. I think the fashion house
is more it's it's more women. You know, Versace's men's
stuff isn't as strong as the as the women's and
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the accessories.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
I feel like I need to be selling cocaine Miami.
They need to be me if I'm worry Versace. Yeah,
if I'm warning men's Versaca, I need to be like
on a jet boat selling cocaine.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
Or like twenty fifteen in the Migos.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Though fair enough so too, but I'm not that like me.
I'm not. Well, look, I'm super pumped for you. Why'd
you put Hockey Talking out last? Though? Of all these
songs in this project? Actually, I mean I made it last,
and that makes all the sense.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
Then hopefully you know, it's just be save the biggest
bang for last. Yeah, I guess, And you know, I
mean I want to get all my videos done for
the project and everything and let people rock with stuff.
Putting Country Star out first was definitely like I wanted
to make it clear this is a new thing and
get people to see that it's a you know, kind
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of a new world of music for Acto with Country
Star first, And I think Hockey Talking is just like
the nice bow to it to me was.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
That the most is that well, because it hasn't out
yet as we're talking about it, but it will be
by the time we're talking about it, So I guess
I'm talking about it in present tents like it's already out,
all right, I bet? Yeah? There are you with me? Yeah,
I'm there?
Speaker 3 (45:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Yeah. Was this the most excited you wear of any
of the songs to come out this project? I am
really really excited about it.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
I was really excited about Country Star too, because I
was like, yes, like I need people.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
To hear this. We named the whole thing after it. Yeah,
I mean, you know, it's just it's just the world
of it.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
But I think that this probably is the most exciting
because people love it or hate it.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
And I already know that.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
I'm not even looking at the comment stuff yet, but
like people love it and they're like, I love this
creativity of this kid and like doing something brand new
with something big that was put on him and doing
a good job of it. And some people are going
to be like hire arms rolling in the grave, you know,
and that's uh, that's okay. It's okay because I had
(46:08):
fun with it, and the people that rock with me,
I think that they know it's a it's a.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
Super fun record. I'll tell you that. It's a hello
all right, I'm gonna tell him he probably doesn't even
remember that day. No, it wasn't like a very eventful day.
I mean, it wasn't like both of us left going
what a crazy day that was. I think the virility
of that video ended up being bigger to me than
I ever expected it, because it wasn't like some crazy moment.
I was like, well, I tank he wants to go
(46:36):
all right, He's got a big personality. That's his big personality.
That's really how I felt about it.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
I mean, I've just been that. I've been around that
for twenty eight years, so like I'm just I don't know.
I didn't think anything of it.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
Yeah, tell him, I sai Hello, okay, I'm sure will.
I've never been less of a fan because of it,
and people have asked that and it gets brought up occasionally,
because that thing just continues to like live lives and
I'm like love him just as much.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
As say, hey, Bobby Bone said, you know, you're welcome
and if you can have a cigar, if you want one.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
You can have one anytime you want around me, have
no problem with bring your own. Yes, yeah, Sam, good
to me, you man, Thank you so much, Bobby, thank you.
And so I'm not crazy. Your name it's a V
in Williams right and on Instagram? Yeah, yeah, it's V
in place of a A. Yeah, why'd you do that? Honestly,
it was.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
A long time ago when I made that account of
the account, and uh, it just felt cool to me.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
And me and my half brother Shelton aren't close.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
He's not close with a lot, and you know, I'm
we're the same generation, except he's definitely a generation older
than me. But technically, you know, we're both my dad's sons.
And I think it met something like that to me then,
But that's just how it is. So if I need
to change my Instagram name, have.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
They told you to change the V to the A
so people can find you? I don't care.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
They should just see my face and be like, oh,
that's the guy.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
Yeah, that's clearly the guy. Times that pictures really little though,
because when I was letting up all your stuff, I
was like, is this him with a V on it?
So then I had to go in.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
I said, I gotta be in black and white. Congratulations
on the record, Thank you so much. Man, you feel
good about it, like that's the win.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
I mean, you know, I need people to to rock
with me and stream it, but it's about also finding
your audience. It wasn't easy for me here to not
be the same cut of cloth. That's the that's the
more accepted deal.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
That's the deal.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
So you know it's risky, but uh, you know, hopefully
worthwhile in the long run.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
Sam Williams with a V on Instagram. Sam Williams, Where
the AA is so, Sam Wilm, Sam, good to see you, buddy.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production
I'm glad that you know, I was given my own name.
I wasn't a Hank the fourth or something like that.
And I'm sure that my dad and probably wouldn't have
wanted me to go into music at all.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
This episode is with Sam Williams. Sam is Hank Williams
junior son, so that makes Hank william Senior his grandpa.
And I really wasn't going to bring up the dad
thing that Hank Williams Junior him leaving the studio. I
wasn't going to bring it up, especially upfront in the interview,
maybe not at all, because I never want the kid
of an artist to feel like that's the only reason
(00:42):
we're talking to them. So I was relieved when he
brought it up, immediately got ready to do it. Yeah.
To him, I think he was like, well, we're probably
gonna talk about this, so let's just jump right in.
So I had never met Sam before at two Country
Star is out now. It came out July eleventh, so
go check it out, go stream it. It's got seven
tracks on it, and we talk about all of it,
talk about his grandpa, talking about his dad, talk about
(01:03):
his career, why it's different, what it was like growing
up as Hank Junior son, all of that here with
Sam Williams. By the way, his Instagram is Sam Williams,
except it's spelled with a V not an A, so
it looks like Sam will of Them's. Yeah, we'll put
it in the episode notes. You can bind it. Yeah,
it's hard to explain here he is Sam Williams. Sam,
it is nice to meet you, man. Nice to meet
(01:23):
you too. This is amazing. I don't think we met
no a lot of times in this town. As you'll
probably back me up on this, you meet people very
quickly and you don't remember meeting them because it's like
six seconds. And sometimes I'll be like, hey, nice to
meet you, and they're like, oh, we've we met once,
or you know of or know what they're known for. Well,
I know of you and yeah what you're known for? Yeah,
and I know your music, but we've never met. I
(01:44):
don't think.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Well, I've always been familiar with you in a way,
you know, not super close, but I know my dad
on your podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I was familiar with that when he walked down of
the show. Yeah, that's funny.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Everybody in the world sending this to me, They're like.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Did you see. I know you're busy. Did you see
your dad did this week? I'm like, I'm sure he did,
you know, And I respected it, and I've talked about
it a couple of times since because all my friends
sent it to me. And in the moment, I didn't
think much of it. Meaning people come in, your dad
obviously very famous. I didn't realize he wanted to smoke
(02:17):
a cigar, like. I didn't know the real reason. So
I'm glad you brought this up, because I may have
never even brought this up. Your dad, who I grew
up listening to because my grandmother was a massive fan,
and so I grew up listened to your dad and
he was coming. I was like, great, it was him,
And it was one of the guys of Black Keys
who was producing the record, Dan, Yeah, Dan already, And
so they came in and your dad just had a
(02:38):
big personality about him, and I was like, classic Hank
Hank Junior, deep breath, yeah, and he was on. But
I'm okay, like I'm up for it. Yeah, And so
We're kind of going back and forth, and I'm like,
this is the game. I'm totally in. I didn't realize
somebody told him he couldn't smoke a cigar in the building,
and that's why he was ready to get out of there.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah, so that was just like one sentence that that
damaged everything.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah, happens sometimes people.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
For me, sometimes people just do things though they can,
they just do things. And he is one of those
people that just does things, and wanting to smoke a
cigar and not getting to is probably one of them.
But I guess apologies on his behalf. But that's that's
the icon stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I thought, that's pretty cool. That's honestly what I thought.
Because I didn't. I also didn't back down, But it
wasn't like I didn't feel like we're fighting. It just
felt like we're both like, all right, well, if this
is ain't right, we'll just go on to the next thing.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Well, I think he's unfamiliar with like this environment of
like doing this type of thing. It was a long
time ago that he was more doing that and you know,
used to doing whatever he wants. He would rather be
in a deer stand or like something like that, planning
where to hunt bear in Minnesota. But but yeah, everybody
would send that to me, be like have you seen this?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I'm like yes, that's so funny. It was really one
of my favorite moments last like ten years or so
because it was real.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
It was absolutely there's a lot that's not real, and
at least that that's a real moment.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Right, And it never felt like honestly angry, like I
think both of us were just like, all right, cool,
I mean you you can go.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Oh and he got the joke in about the how
this there's this much left on a cigar that Uncle
Harold used to say, that's like an ism, you know,
that's like always.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
So that's at least a few quotables. I'm glad you
brought that up because I may have forgotten all about that.
It is, well, you walked in, you're mitching the lion.
We have these lions like where when you walk in there,
I don't know if you touched one of them. I
did not. I didn't know if that was well they don't.
They're not like super valuable or anything, but we have
these lions by our pool and they're probably five feet taller.
(04:34):
So we ordered them. We went to one of these
websites and it was like they'll deliver it from Atlanta
and my wife one of these lions and they were like,
they're three hundred pounds each. And so I remember it
was my birthday and there were a few of us
over at the house and they delivered these two lions
that are three hundred pounds each. I bet you they
weigh a thousand pounds. We couldn't get him out of
the truck. The poor guy who delivered them was like,
I don't know what to do. Like we took us
like a mike what an hour hour and a half
(04:56):
at least we had to. We couldn't even get them
back here. We rolled them out of the truck into
the yard and left them for a week. Like they're
that heavy.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
You had to get like a whole dolly situation to
get it back.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
We had a dollie. We broke the dollie. We had
to hire people, oh my gosh, to come and bring
those lines. So thank you for at least acknowledging those lions.
Oh they're the whole vibe.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
They're like they're over they're overlooking the pool.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
They are and that is basically a thousand pounds crazy. Uh. Anyway,
I'm gonna tell you why I like you and why
I've always well, I've known who you are why I'm
fond of what you do, mostly because of how you
do it. Meaning I've always been given crap since my
arrival in Nashville because I don't really look like I
was supposed to look, meaning especially when I got here.
(05:36):
No belt buckle, no cowboy hat. Yeah, and even though
I'm from Arkansas and spent a lot of my life
moving around and trailer park, like I was like like
white trash, redneck country, but I wasn't cowboy and that
wasn't considered real. And I'm in cardigans and I'm wearing
nice tennis shoes and they're like, well, yeah, you're not
country spectacles. Yeah, nerdy, great point, Thank for minum I
and nerdia nerdy glasses. But I think that's also I
(05:59):
think what I've been drawn to about what you do
is you kind of and I mean this in a
complimenty well you kind of don't care.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Yeah, I mean I think that it's it's kind of
natural for me. I don't really care. I mean I
think that I have plenty of insecurities that show their
face all the time. But I mean, even you, like
you're sneakers right here. These are Louis Vuitton off white Nike.
It's a whole filing like you knowing that and like
you've made that cool people. What's his name, Jesse Frasier. Yeah,
(06:25):
his shoes are crazy.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
You know.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
So it's like a cool thing now. So I think that,
you know, the more people get to like what they like,
because liking stuff is cool, and doing stuff is cool,
and being yourself is cool, you know, uh, it becomes
a little bit more normalized. But I think that sometimes
I have to you know, know that I'm going against
the grain, But a lot of the time I just
can't help it.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
It's just I'm.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Gonna do what I want to do, and I'm gonna
do my damn dist you know, to do it well.
And you know, I was never I was never gonna
fit in the preconceived boxes and you know, and image
of what is the Nashville standard, and you know, as
you're saying so in music and definitely with my legacy,
it's it's completely you know.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Compounded by that.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
But that's why I think I kind of have no
choice but to just be exactly myself.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Well, you have the pressure and I and the bonus
of a legacy, right like that, It's not just amazing
because there's a lot of it is cool, but there's
a lot of pressure to the legacy, like things that
people will compare you to unfairly even if you don't
ask for it.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, do you ever think about not using the name? No,
I mean I think that it'd be fun. I make
plenty of jokes all the time about what would my
stage name do? But I mean it's authentics, no gimmicks,
It's just my name. And I'm glad that you know,
I was given my own name. I wasn't a Hank
the fourth or something like that. And I'm sure that
(07:51):
my dad and probably wouldn't have wanted me to go into.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Music at all. He would rather do not. I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah, I'm sure his mom, Audrey. I've never met Audrey.
She died twenty some years before I was born. I'm
sure she would have made sure that I was in music.
That I would have been learning, you know stuff when
I was little. So, I mean I kind of came
to not with much musical background. You know, my dad's
a whistler at home, a whistler talk about the weather
(08:19):
going down the road home, and you know, not playing records,
and this is what I love, you know, not like
me and my kid in the car necessarily at all.
So I think that it was like a scary thing
for me for a long time of if this is
something I wanted to do, what would it look like
for me?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I like Britney Spears and Justin Bieber and JT.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
You know, so as a kid, I think it was
something I very much shot away from. And then later
on it just kind of made sense. You know, for
a while, it doesn't. You don't know what you're doing
and you're doing something, and then you know, I think
just over the past couple of years, it's kind of
just all fell in line for me, like I get
it now. I get what I'm supposed to do and
like how to do it and it and it feels good,
(09:00):
you know. I think that a lot of people probably
like me as a writer, you write the most sad
music first, I mean, you just out the gate with
it because it's like dying to get out in a way.
And with the new project, I'm definitely able to be
able to have fun with my music for one of
the first times. Kind of similar, I think, and I've
kind of realized to my dad in the in the
(09:22):
seventies and into the eighties of not wanting. He would
always reference not wanting to sing those old sad songs,
you know, in many things and feeling Better even, which
is one of my favorites. And then the sound kind
of changed and there was a more of a pride
and a joy to the raucousness to the music.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah that it changed too for him, Yeah, yeah, big time.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Well, I mean The Mountain Fall did that too. But
uh yeah, you know, all my reinvention comes from Hayting Junior,
not all of it, but I think that, you know,
I had to. I was very adamant about writing all
my songs, writing all my music and it being something unique.
So if somebody didn't like it or they wanted to
(10:02):
take power from me because they didn't like what I
was doing, that it was still something very real, you know.
And I think that's always been my thing, and who
knows where my career's going, but like, I always have
that to fall back on. And I think with this project,
I'm really having fun with it and been able to,
you know, really open it up, and I'm just trying to.
I'm knocking on the ceiling, you know. I feel like
(10:24):
with each thing that I do. So I'm trying to
that Jelly Roll intro is cool. Yes, yeah, yeah, this
one the documentary we did together.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
It's super cool.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Man.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I saw him the opry at the Rhyman like years ago.
He was there with Ernest and friends with Ernest, and
he yelled at me and he's like.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Hey, Sambo, when we gonna do that record?
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Man? And I didn't really think anything of it. I
was like, oh, man, Jelly Roll, he's crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah, I should have done that.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I still want to, but I've actually, you know, it
is a crazy thing what's happened with Jelly Roll. And
one of the you know, one of the really cool
things about it is that a lot of it is
from an authenticity that he does talk about all the
dark stuff and what he came from, even if he's
doing something different.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Now. I was watching your TikTok where you're playing Jelly
talking about you and you're like, this is my intro?
Did you rehearsal? Yeah? Yeah, you're kind of sitting there
playing where did that come from? As in, did you
lead him somewhere to say that? Did you say? Like what?
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I didn't even meet I've never met him since years ago.
We were in the same documentary called Rebel Country that's
like going somewhere, and I think it was about the
artists featured in it. What do they represent about being
a rebel in country or what does that mean? And
they just I saw it at the screening that he
just said that about me.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
No, that's like the greatest ww hype.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah, come on, yeah, I want I want a whole one,
you know. I want like my dad has in the show,
all these references.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Got it.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I just know all the words to all of them
from country artists like Justin Moore definitely, Jase Noldan or
Luke or something. It's all them referencing him in songs
like a mashup and I want one from Dolly Parton.
That's what I need, you know, one of my favorite
things here.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
And we've got to work together. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
She's on my first album on a song called Happy
All the Time.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
You want me to tell a story on that? I
would love to hear.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
God, she was really crazy. I was making my son
breakfast one day. My manager calls with this idea and
she's like, we gotta get Dolly Onhappy all the Time.
And I was like, really, like I'm really young, like
you really just kind of ruined my day, Like I
want to dream big, you know I do. I'm a
big dreamer, but come on now. And we just kind
(12:43):
of focused everything on it, tried to see any way
we could get to her, and it ended up happening
through this really amazing sweet lady that my friend Bobby
Tomberland is friends with. He's an older songwriter here, but
he's like a country music history buff. He's the best
and news one close to her that does does Dolly's
hair and has for years. And she just felt this
(13:06):
calling to to get her this song. She says she'd
never given her a song from someone in family or
friends in like thirty years. And I made a little
package and I wrote a letter and like I type
wrote the lyrics so happy all the time out it
looked a mess kind of and I laminated it, but
it was cute, like.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
It was you laminated it.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
That's a no, Like yeah, I was like, I know
Dolly Parton, We're like the same. Like I'm about to
laminate this and she's gonna she's gonna think this is
the whole thing. I'm sending her a care package and
like in modern warfare this is and she was moved
by it.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
And she was yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
And one time I had to for her to listen
to the song after getting it, I had to drive
a boombox from Target in Brentwood to her offices in
the rain. I'm like buzzing the gate, like, hey, this
is Sam Williams. I have this speaker for Mss Dolly.
(13:59):
Sheught she said to bring she has to listen to
it on a CD and they're like what. They finally
let me in. I give it to her and we
didn't meet them.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
We met later on.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
But it was just amazing because she wanted. She was
very detailed in asking me. I wrote to her what
the song was about to me, and it was really
special then and she asked what exactly do you want
me to do? What lines would you like me to do?
And how should I answer to this? And it was awesome.
You know, she's I think she's always overly gracious than
(14:31):
what is expected or required.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
You know, I agree, Yeah, she's been that way to
me too, and she definitely has not had to be
that way. No, because she really doesn't have to do
anything anymore. No, anything from her comes from her wanting
or feeling like a situation deserves her help, especially all
the charity work she does too, Right, Yeah, I feel
like when she works with me in any way whatsoever, that's
charity with you, that's art with me, that's charity. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
I was appealing to I was feeling to Ethos real.
I mean I wrote to her about the song. I think
she really there was like just some like weird parallels
at the time. I'm from West Tennessee, she's from East Tennessee.
I come from money in this big you know, big legacy,
but a lot of tragedy at the same time. They
just danced together and she came from you know, kind
(15:16):
of nothing and built something incredible, and you know, we
talked about that some and she was kind of she
was hard on me though, like a little bit stern.
Why haven't you done this? You should have did an
album like this?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Was it advice? What are you doing? Yes?
Speaker 1 (15:34):
But it was a bit advised, but it was bit
Dolly Parton business advice.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
You know, it was mega.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
So I was terrified and she's just you know, I
think that she delets such an impact.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
That's the thing. Growing up, was there music around you, say,
your dad wasn't you used historian for describing somebody else.
Was there a bunch of music accessible to you? Or
was it because he his life was so much music,
and your grandfather's lif and like a lot of your
family does music. Was there no music because it was
(16:05):
so much music?
Speaker 1 (16:06):
To be honest, it was more like that. I mean,
my dad had shows. He had shows in the summer.
He does this most of the time. I mean, when
I was little, it was probably different. But uh, you know,
I think that playing guitar and writing songs in twenty
minutes and you know, rowdiness probably phased out by the
time I was five, in two thousand and two, at
(16:28):
least on his side, you know. So, I mean, I
think that there's definitely there's probably a lot of unsaid
blockage there, you know, for all of us. He didn't
get to grow up with his dad, and people don't
really know that.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
They just think that. And he did it.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
My dad was a lot older when I was born.
It was it was I'm from Paris, Tennessee. You know,
so I came from a really small place to strove
from there. This morning, you're still there, No, I just
I went back to real steaks with my friends and
my son wanted to fish and yeah, so I mean
it's nice. A lot has changed, but we still have
(17:01):
a piece there and a place there, so you know,
hold on to that. But no, I mean I think
that my dad doesn't like to He doesn't talk about
music and listen to music. He talks about guns. He
loves guns, history of guns, making bullets. This war fall
off a mountain in Montana, you know, Mozambique one time.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
This grizzly bear.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
That's what my dad's vernacular is. He's a performer to
everyone else, you know, all the time. So I really
was able to draw inspiration from music from whatever I
exposed myself to, which was a lot.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
You know, when did you start learning music at what age?
M like to sing? Yeah, like to actually create, more
so than hearing songs.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
I mean I just would do weird stuff as a kid.
I told my mom I wrote Lucky about Britney Spears
for her, and I was singing it for my sister.
Came running down the stairs, my late sister Katie, and
she was.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Like, that's a Britney Spears song. That's my favorite song.
He didn't write that. I'm the one who played it.
For him. I was so upset, sad that is I
love that this is a story.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Yeah, so, I mean I never got technical with it.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Then.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
I actually moved to Nashville at fourteen and lived here
for a semester, my first semester of high school, and
I thought I was gonna take voice lessons, start doing stuff,
and like, you know, I didn't want my time to
run out, Like I think, I'm scared of failure and
I always have been since very young. And I was like,
everybody's doing stuff, I have to be doing stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
To you moved here at fourteen? What do you mean?
Who did you live with? Me? And my mom lived here?
Got it?
Speaker 1 (18:36):
It was just six months and I went back home
and it was it was kind of a lot. I
wasn't really ready for it yet I wanted to be.
I wasn't used to living around a bunch of like
rich kids and stuff either.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
It was strange to me. Were you the rich kid
in Paris? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:51):
For sure, and it comes with its People don't like that,
you know. I grew up like very used to that.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
But like, but were you known as the rich kid
or was it obvious you were the rich kid? I
think there's a difference, like did you dress probably both nicer?
Do you have nicer stuff than everybody else? No? I
was like a little kid.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
No, but like i've I just have like a outlandish
fashion taste and always kind of have. And that was
the you know, experimental period. So and I do like cars,
but like, no, I mean I think that cars.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
I was like as a kid when I turned like eleven,
I all I talked about was my first car for.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Five years, Well, what's your first car?
Speaker 1 (19:28):
It was a two thousand and eight BMW X five
from Gadston, Texas, and it was tan metallic and it
had big rims and brown mahogany inside. I was like
really planning on balling out and.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Why that car? Why that car? Yeah? He said, you're
talking about it for five years. I don't know if
that was the same car through all five years.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Oh No, I was just annoying. I was like talking
to my dad all the time, like I can't wait
to get a car. Why'd you pick the BMW? I
tried to get a hardship license. I just really liked
the color. It had a secret compartment on the dashboard
that I thought was cool and had like the big
flaps on the back, the older big bass like X
fives and the big buffler's kind of on it, and
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I did it.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Was just super dope to me. You still like cars? Yeah,
I don't have enough money to you know, well, now
I'm confused to flex money. But now you're saying you
don't have money.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Well, I mean as a kid, I grew up you
know with money. Now, Oh, I mean it's I don't
look around.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
I'm trying to find it, you know, I try to
find it. So you're saying there's just not a bunch
of money that's fed to you all the time.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Now, oh no, No, I don't. I think a lot
of me and Holly. I don't know, if you know Holly.
Me and Holly have this conversation all the time sometimes,
like people think that we just like were born and
just ate Hey, good looking cheerios and just freaking family
tradition till you know the cows went home, And that's
not it. You know, my dad's like a frugal, frugal
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man born in nineteen forty nine. You know, it was
a different world then. That's really what he said about
the cigar. But no, I mean my dad obviously helps
me in ways and has been there for me in
many ways before. But you know, I mean, like all
my dad's kids have been on our own thing.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
When did you kind of have to go out and
do it yourself.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Probably about kind of always. But my son was born.
I was nineteen, so it was a little bit different then.
But you know, I got a publishing deal when I
was It just turned twenty one, so it was about then.
So you know, I'm jealous of people with the lake
Martin lake houses and the big boats. I went on
a big boat recently the other day.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Big boat, like a lake yacht.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Yeah yeah, and that's really nice. So you know, I'm
I'm trying to get one of those one day. So
right now I'm making my my fun on the lake
kind of songs. So you know, walk in that direction.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
That's the goal. Big boat, Yeah kind of. But like
I just grew up on the lake.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
It's not even really a materialistic thing like guns, just
a sun dancer.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
No, do you know a lot about the history of guns,
because you're because my stepdad was obsessed with the Civil War.
I was obsessed with like nineteen sixties baseball.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
My dad's obsessed with like the Civil War. I don't
know about the history guns. I know more about like
the history of the world and like international affairs than
I do.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
That was what I brought a liking to. What kind
of student were you? I was a really.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Exceptional student for kind of all ways. And then by
high school I had gotten into the places I wanted
to go and just kind of stopped.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
The dream died for a.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Minute, and then I ended up going to school here
in Nashville for a few years in entertainment industry studies
whatever that means.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
And what does that mean. It's just a way to
be able to come to Nashville commit and go to
school when really you're coming to Nashville to actually do entertainment.
That's what I feel like it is.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
For a lot of that's just when you just don't
know what you're doing yet. Some people are just in
an incubation period for too long and they're just in
that for too long. But I was just doing anything.
I mean, I took before I was really really writing.
I remember my first year at Belmont taking a songwriting
course and I didn't really know what I was doing
at all, And I don't know though, like looking back,
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that was kind of the beauty of it. And when
I work with people like that are more esteemed like
a John Paul White or Jim Lauderdale or you know,
people you know respected for their writing, they kind of
celebrate that blank slateness approach to making music and like
just even writing the other day, like I kind of
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I don't like to write the titles. I come in
and see what I find and what I get to
and it's a lot a lot of conversation into what's
the message and what's the feeling and to get what
I want to say. And I think that you you
take pieces of everything that's inspired you, and I just
kind of tend to like to create in the moment,
and I think maybe that changes at some point, you know,
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there's always like a weird evolution to the creating.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
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Speaker 2 (24:11):
Country Star Act two. What's up with the acts? Why
are they not different records? Like? Really, what is I
don't know what you're why are you doing it like that?
What's up with all the podcasts? No? I hear you,
but I label mind different for different reasons. Oh, okay,
I'm just kidding. I mean I think that you know,
there's a creative aspect is the act like but also
the same show, but it's different parts of this act.
(24:33):
I guess that's that's what my question about the record is,
like in your mind creatively, why did you name it
and separate them like this?
Speaker 1 (24:39):
I had too many songs and to not be a
big artist. I'm not on country radio. I'm not supported
by like a lot of the big.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Big boys here.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
So I mean I had a lot of songs and
a lot of creativity, and it's like where do we go?
So I think that I kind of created this idea
to show a different side of me in each thing
and to build a world, three different worlds out of
the different music I make, because that's kind of always
been a thing too. Was that like not was just
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Sam being himself? But Sam's being so himself, like he's
this sounds nothing like this, and we like when he
sings the sad ballads, so why let's do that? And
I think that I was dying to grow and I'd
made songs like no Problem, and then when I had
written Country Star, I was like, I think this is
a whole thing, and we gotta, like, I want to
(25:32):
spread this out and introduce my music to people in
a few different steps, and you know, get to show
them different sides of me, because nobody else is going
to do it for me. You know, I can't wait
on one moment to launch my career and then do
everything after. I think, you know, it's just industry's changed.
So I think that with this with Thatt too, truthfully
(25:53):
and creatively, I'd say the projects kind of revolve around fear, scarlet,
lonesome from last year. It's more fear of losing love,
losing someone, not finding yourself, you know, kind of the
the figuring it out Country Star is more so the
chaos of you know, fear of failure, fear of not
(26:15):
being yourself. And you know, I think that there's a
lot of like chaos and mania that comes with the
hard parts of life and figuring out who you are
and trying to do it on purpose. And I wanted
to embrace all the different sides of me, and I
kind of naturally have a tendency to the darkness get
into my music somewhere when I'm trying not to. So
(26:37):
I think songs like killed a man in Tennessee. That's
a song that's on Act two. You know, there's there's
hip hop in it, and I'm singing all over it
and stuff, and it's kind of just me creating something
new and I'm getting to take ownership of some of
my story that hasn't fit into the rest of my
music so far. You know, it's not all sadness that's
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in me, and I think there's a lot of it,
but people see that on the product. You know what
I put out more than the joyous and kind of
driven and dreaming side of me, and that gets to
come out here.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Who are your favorite artists? Oh of all time? You're
gonna give me guidelines or I just start now. I
would just say you can even do ages because I
I think the artist listen to growing up. Yeah, shaped you,
even if you don't realize they shaped you. I think
about that because when you say Britney Lucky as a kid,
I really loved.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Britney Spears probably early Cheetah Girl stage, loved Chris Brown,
Justin Timberlake for sure. I had the Justin Bieber haircut
when he came out, and it was it was a problem.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
There was at the flot the bank Flop.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
There was an early jealousy there and I was like,
is he hot? Do I want to be him?
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Like? What is this?
Speaker 1 (27:56):
And I've kind of always you know, I love Justin
Bieber too. I think I really loved Tyler Childers when
he'd first kind of come out right before Purgatory and
after that, and that shaped a lot of my voice
kind of at the time, and the writing I was
doing because I think, you know, moving here probably ages
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eighteen nineteen twenty, I was just trying to absorb writing
as well, like try to listen to a Joni Mitchell record.
I love Laurie McKenna songwriter, like what did her earlier
song sound like?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
What do people's songs sound like? That never came out.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
I listened to a lot of hip hop music, So
I mean, I think my favorite artist now would definitely
be I'm a Big Barb.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
I love Nicki Minaj.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
It's like the creativity, the invention, the determination, and so
twenty ten's hip hop Drake, Nicki Wayne, I love Jay Cole.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
But on a.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Daily basis, I probably am one of those more nostalgialists
that is listening to like your older favorite songs, me
and my son do a lot of Sean Kingston, old
Sean Kingston. I throw in some random Hank Williams sometimes
just to you.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Try to teach him to get it in there, teach
him music about who great grandpa was.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Oh yeah, I mean he has plenty of questions. So,
I mean, Hanky talkin is the song on Act two
that's coming out or that you did with Yeah, I'm singing.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
With my grandpa. I did it. Yeah, we were in
the studio. Yeah. I don't know how to refer to him,
your grandpa or Hank. Yes, yeah, I mean because I
watched you. I watched you the announcement of you talking
about it, and I've seen some stuff where you're like, hey,
I'm gonna do this. Was that emotional at all?
Speaker 1 (29:44):
No, it would be for me, you know, if it
does well, probably, But I mean I've done some stuff
of I covered I'm So Lonesome I could cry, And
that was really really special to do because it was
very reimagined and new chords to it, kind of a
new thing and honky Tonking I wanted to do something
(30:04):
fun and exciting and have another record on Act two
that you know, ties pieces of my story together. There's
just a lot there, and I want to do something
that was kind of campy and that was fun and
not you know, I'm not trying to have a songwriting
exercise competition here, and I do that too much. I
want to do the perfect little anecdote, you know. And
(30:27):
it actually wrote a couple of different versions of Honky
Tonkin and came to one that just felt like the
perfect amount of quirkiness and polish, but you know, also
just fun. And the tag and the pedal steel feels
so so so long ago, so seventy five years ago,
and it also sounds like, you know, the music being
(30:47):
made nowadays.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
And uh.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
With I think with my kid, my son, with Hank Senior,
he has more questions about did pop pop sing the
national anthem at super this?
Speaker 2 (31:00):
You know a little bit more of that? And pop
pops your dad, yeah, which is his grandfather.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yes, yes, my dad goes pop pop for most grandkids. So,
I mean, he has many questions, but it's it's a
lot to understand for him. I think there's a lot
of loss in my family and there has been from
a long time before me and a lot since me.
So I think it's you know, it's probably a lot
to take in, you know. I mean, my dad was
on Post Malone's album.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
That was the.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Coolest thing ever to him. You know, He's like, did
they what did they do? I'm like, I don't think
they met. He's got a pretty cool name. Yeah, but
I mean I think that, you know, he does a
great job with it. I think I did. I do
pretty great with it.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Now. It's a lot of pressure. But as a kid,
it was like type in on Google. It was scary,
did you Yeah, I guess you could find out stuff
on Google. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Google was around, and I guess two thousand and seven
I was ten. Yeah one Google. I was like, how
many results? No, you're Tennyson? Yes, what's where's the name
come from?
Speaker 2 (32:05):
It's actually a writer, Alfred Lord Tennyson.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
He's a British poet a long time ago with the
Lightning Brigade.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
So I think I was trying to have him pass
at the Supreme Court Justice test, like is it that interesting?
Speaker 2 (32:21):
You know? Do you want him to do music? No?
I don't.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
I think he could be great probably anything he'd like
to do, and he may want to.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
But do you think your dad felt exactly the same
way about you. Yeah, yeah, And now do you understand.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
My dad used to say he's going to be a
senator all the time.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Never had the desire to be a senator.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
I did, though, you did, Yeah, I sure did. I
totally wanted to do that.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Why, well, it's not like past tense. You still can't
do it. You're still very young. But why I guess
nowadays you can do whatever you want. Did you just
say it and then you can do it? Boom? Yeah?
So you still maybe want to do politics. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
I mean, it depends on how I look at thirty nine.
If it's really given politics, if it's really given like
thirty nine, if it's given like House of Representatives, yeah,
and microphone in suits and tailored suits, then if we
might just have to do it. You like being on stage, yeah, me,
(33:19):
And I like when people know what they're talking about.
I don't like when people have no idea what they're
talking about.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Keep going like you know, everybody has a microphone and
platform a lot nowadays, there's a there's an oversaturation to it.
And that's in more than just you know, commentary, it's
in everything. I don't think it would have worked out though.
If I would have been a senator, my dad would
have been really mad if it would have worked out.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Because it doesn't align. Yeah, it would.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
It would have just been a disconnect. It would have
been like, you know, storm the Capitol. It would I
don't know, yeah, I feel yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
How many shows are you doing? Now? Are you playing
a bunch this summer?
Speaker 1 (33:57):
It has been like CMA Fest just happened to me,
really really busy. I just had to operat the other night,
kind of last minute, and trying to plan some stuff
around the album coming out. But the rest of the
year is a little bit open right now, and it's
figuring out the rest of music everything just that I'm
working on. And I'd really love to get a tour
for the end of this year, but I don't have
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anything announced right now.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Where do you feel you can be the most creative,
And I'll give you an example. Mine is setting. Mine
is a shower because I have no phone. I would,
but it get wet so I can't. I do all
my glasses on and it's like the only time and
only space I have where really nothing can get to me,
and it's where my mind is the freest, and I'll
and I come up with more mostly bad ideas, but
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every once in a while one it's pretty good, Like
mine is the shower. That's where I'm probably inspired the most.
Where is it for you?
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Well, I think the most to to just songwriting, and
I'm just on the ground, Like I write pen and paper,
so or highlighter and paper?
Speaker 2 (34:58):
You still write? Yeah? Yeah, I say still you probably
always written pin of paper? Then huh yep? Why why
not a laptop? Why not your phone? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Well, I like to make like it's just about placement.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
I'm a visual learner.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
I have to make a whole like it's just I
don't know how to describe it. But if I'm writing
like a lot of words, I don't know if I'm
going to use these words or what they mean. Like
I gotta make like a bubble type map and look
at them and figure out how I'm putting them together
and what is what am I actually saying? But that's
to do with music though, like actual good ideas for life,
(35:32):
I have no idea where I think of those that
I want to figure out.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
The Bobby cast will be right back. This is the
Bobby cast.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Can you write by schedule meaning I'm gonna write ten
am tomorrow and at ten am you sit down, you write,
not alone?
Speaker 1 (35:59):
No, I mean co writes all the time, so like, yeah,
it's my job.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
But scheduled writing with others. But if it it's just yourself,
I wouldn't do as well.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
No, it'd be more when am I like actually, aha,
you know I think by myself it would just.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Feel more, feel more forced.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
It's like you need to have this piece of content
up at this time blah blah blah, and you need
to feel like this in it.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
You know. Do you feel the constant pressure to constantly
produce content you don't understand? Yeah, oh I'm sure you do.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
But when you're when you haven't had like big moments yet,
like it's just this is just a different thing now.
You know, it's not all about the just making music anymore.
It's about what are you? And believe me, like I
I do my best to be me as as I can,
but you know, you got to be very out there.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Some of my friends like are the big like Lana fans.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
They're like, oh my gosh, dude, if Lana had to
come out now with like everything that we do. I
don't think she would have won to keep at it
for long enough to become.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Like a legend. You know. It's just it's just kind
of staying the course. What are you gonna do?
Speaker 1 (37:07):
I'm always complaining my managers, like, are you just gonna
give up?
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Sam? You're gonna give.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Up because your video, you know, it's just a lot
bigger than that. But uh, we get bogged down with
a lot of the stuff now. But it's like, it's
just the noise.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Do you feel I guess there are a couple of
ways you can feel about this At times. I know
that I feel annoyed if I have something I'm really
happy with and proud of in a post and it
doesn't do anything, and that can be frustrating. It could
be very frustrating. Like I put a lot of work,
a lot of time, a lot of effort. I'm like, man,
I think this should really do well, and it doesn't.
That's frustrating. Oh yeah it is. But then there are
times where I do the stupidest thing and it's like, oh, look, Dawn,
(37:39):
it's got one point one million stupid views and that's
cool and all. But I'm like, I really there's the
stuff I want to matter, Yeah, matter, do I get frustrated?
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Probably it's like always the thing that you're looking forward
to that you worked too to like announce or like do,
and it's like mmm, yeah, you know that is definitely
for us trading. But I mean, I don't know, it's
like what are you gonna do? I think we, me
and my team probably have conversations like this all the
time because I want to give people, you know, different
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worlds of music, different sounds, different looks.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
You know.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
I'm really in tune with my fashion and image and
what am I saying and how does it?
Speaker 2 (38:20):
You know?
Speaker 1 (38:21):
And I think that it's just so damn fast now
that like a lot of that doesn't even catch up
with people. It's just a different time. I think the
people that are amazing at it, I'm like astounded by,
like how do you do this?
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Like just never miss a beat? In a way.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
I've been really proud of Dasha, you know. I mean
Dasha's one song. I knew Dasha a little bit before,
you know, before the song, and her whole life is
like you know, craziness now and it's and it's it's
running with it and she's done a really awesome job
at it, and I think that a lot of people
don't get credit for when you do get something and
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you got to handle your whole life, you know, from there.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
I don't know. I think where part would be frustrating
that it doesn't pop. What you just said there is
kind of the hope is that there really isn't like
a single gatekeeper anymore, and anything could pop off at
any time. Literally, Yeah, and your life could be changed
in three days because something catches and it spreads and
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then there's the spotlight on you by the people that
want to invest in you. And yeah, I really could
all change like that, and the only way to actually
make it change is to keep working. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Yeah, And I think that, you know, I probably, like
everyone else, sometimes let the fear and that anything else
get in the way of, you know, trying to subscribe
to that. I think adding Honky talking to my project
was like, I'm gonna do something fun and it's my
legacy and I'm gonna say stuff that they're gonna be
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like why did he even say that? Just because that's
just how I am. And you know, that was like
a fun thing to add to this. And I have
another album coming out after and it's like, yeah, I
may not be the best at making tiktoks all the
time and like trying to make them swaggy or sexy
(40:16):
or like so funny ha ha.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
I'm just not really like that. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
I can't find the time of the day too. I
guess I'm busy and it's just a new thing. I
kind of feel old like trying to get it and
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
But I do.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
I know I'm good at the making music and the
telling a story and you know, making taking somewhere someone
somewhere different when they're listening, you know. So I mean
I think maybe maybe this will maybe this will blow
over in a couple of years.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
No, I don't think it is. It's still in the fashion.
Yeah yeah, power rank your favorite brands, your favorite brands, Yeah,
I'll go, I'll match you one for one, Okay.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
I mean I have like cheap favorite brands too. Back
into old Navy again.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
But if I were to say you get five unlimited
for a whole day, what brand do you go to first?
It could be any brand, any clothing brand. I wear a.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Lot of fix clothing. It's in London. These are fixed
the g Yeah, probably this shirt too.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
These are like a.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Rolling Stones collection. Okay, I'm gonna think of right now today.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
I want like one store you get to go into
any store and have everything you want, because for me,
it's probably like Bottega. Okay, that's probably my number one.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
I don't have anything from there, but I would go
to Christian Dior because I like the vibe.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
And the resale is crazy. You have the saddle bags.
I just I've always wanted one of those.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
I've gone in there and looked at one so many times, no,
and I was not getting it.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Just to recheck it real quick, like the dude saddle bags, Yeah, yeah,
they're awesome.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
And just the little ones. I just kind of like them. Yeah,
and then I'm gonna I'm gonna put in a dumb
one and say, uh, Tractor Supply because there's so much
I could get in there and have someone help me
put at my house or Tracked.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
What Supplies fun is they have everything people do. It's
like if they don't know, they don't know it's not
a tractor store track and I Supply has everything they do. Yeah,
it's like you're going into Kmart. There's a little bit
of everything.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
And I just like their corny southern kind of like
stuff out there. I'm like, oh, this windmill with a cow,
love it.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
It does have cracker barrel vibes and part of it. Well,
I'm just in that era of my life.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
I'm sure one day, if i'm you know, rich and
have something else, I want my house to look like
this lion out here.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
But for right now, you don't want the lion. Yeah,
you get a plastic one. Don't have to worry about
how I have you that thing is.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Yeah, I mean I think I could use some accessories,
so I'm gonna go Swarowski.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
I used to like that as a kid.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Yeah. I used to always get like a pen and
I was obsessed with my pen, like you know. Yeah yeah,
And I'm blanking kind of so much today.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
But I've never had anything from Marnie. Yeah, so that'd
be fun to go look at. I guess I had
a couple of coalies from Marnie.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Oh yeah, see, I'd want some of those those fuzzy
ones that I'm never washing. I'm never even put them
somewhere for someone to get clean. I'm really bad at laundry.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
You send it the dry cleaner though. That's why I
do anything that I'm scared of it, like getting messed
up right to the dry cleaner. I take it off
right when I get home, hang it right back up
because I don't want to have to send it to
be cleaned at all, because it loses like generations of wear. Yeah,
but then every once in a while you got to
send it in.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
I was in a rush here and didn't know what
I was gonna wear. Was calling somebody and my son's
in the car. My son's in the car, and he
was like, okay, and I'd like to wear this old
navy blue and white kind of floral jacket with blue
and white Versace sneakers. And he had it all together
and he was like this and this, are you gonna
wear that? I was like, no, I'm not. I'm sorry,
(43:48):
but it is good.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Talk to me for a second about Versace. It's just
too loud for me. Most of stuff from Versace I
wouldn't like.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
But like one thing like I have, like sneakers, like
all see that I really love. But if it was
like print, you know, I think they make more. They
make more beautiful, interesting stuff. I think the fashion house
is more it's it's more women. You know, Versace's men's
stuff isn't as strong as the as the women's and
(44:16):
the accessories.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
I feel like I need to be selling cocaine Miami.
They need to be me if I'm worry Versace. Yeah,
if I'm warning men's Versaca, I need to be like
on a jet boat selling cocaine.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
Or like twenty fifteen in the Migos.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Though fair enough so too, but I'm not that like me.
I'm not. Well, look, I'm super pumped for you. Why'd
you put Hockey Talking out last? Though? Of all these
songs in this project? Actually, I mean I made it last,
and that makes all the sense.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
Then hopefully you know, it's just be save the biggest
bang for last. Yeah, I guess, And you know, I
mean I want to get all my videos done for
the project and everything and let people rock with stuff.
Putting Country Star out first was definitely like I wanted
to make it clear this is a new thing and
get people to see that it's a you know, kind
(45:02):
of a new world of music for Acto with Country
Star first, And I think Hockey Talking is just like
the nice bow to it to me was.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
That the most is that well, because it hasn't out
yet as we're talking about it, but it will be
by the time we're talking about it, So I guess
I'm talking about it in present tents like it's already out,
all right, I bet? Yeah? There are you with me? Yeah,
I'm there?
Speaker 3 (45:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Yeah. Was this the most excited you wear of any
of the songs to come out this project? I am
really really excited about it.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
I was really excited about Country Star too, because I
was like, yes, like I need people.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
To hear this. We named the whole thing after it. Yeah,
I mean, you know, it's just it's just the world
of it.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
But I think that this probably is the most exciting
because people love it or hate it.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
And I already know that.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
I'm not even looking at the comment stuff yet, but
like people love it and they're like, I love this
creativity of this kid and like doing something brand new
with something big that was put on him and doing
a good job of it. And some people are going
to be like hire arms rolling in the grave, you know,
and that's uh, that's okay. It's okay because I had
(46:08):
fun with it, and the people that rock with me,
I think that they know it's a it's a.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
Super fun record. I'll tell you that. It's a hello
all right, I'm gonna tell him he probably doesn't even
remember that day. No, it wasn't like a very eventful day.
I mean, it wasn't like both of us left going
what a crazy day that was. I think the virility
of that video ended up being bigger to me than
I ever expected it, because it wasn't like some crazy moment.
I was like, well, I tank he wants to go
(46:36):
all right, He's got a big personality. That's his big personality.
That's really how I felt about it.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
I mean, I've just been that. I've been around that
for twenty eight years, so like I'm just I don't know.
I didn't think anything of it.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
Yeah, tell him, I sai Hello, okay, I'm sure will.
I've never been less of a fan because of it,
and people have asked that and it gets brought up occasionally,
because that thing just continues to like live lives and
I'm like love him just as much.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
As say, hey, Bobby Bone said, you know, you're welcome
and if you can have a cigar, if you want one.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
You can have one anytime you want around me, have
no problem with bring your own. Yes, yeah, Sam, good
to me, you man, Thank you so much, Bobby, thank you.
And so I'm not crazy. Your name it's a V
in Williams right and on Instagram? Yeah, yeah, it's V
in place of a A. Yeah, why'd you do that? Honestly,
it was.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
A long time ago when I made that account of
the account, and uh, it just felt cool to me.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
And me and my half brother Shelton aren't close.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
He's not close with a lot, and you know, I'm
we're the same generation, except he's definitely a generation older
than me. But technically, you know, we're both my dad's sons.
And I think it met something like that to me then,
But that's just how it is. So if I need
to change my Instagram name, have.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
They told you to change the V to the A
so people can find you? I don't care.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
They should just see my face and be like, oh,
that's the guy.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
Yeah, that's clearly the guy. Times that pictures really little though,
because when I was letting up all your stuff, I
was like, is this him with a V on it?
So then I had to go in.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
I said, I gotta be in black and white. Congratulations
on the record, Thank you so much. Man, you feel
good about it, like that's the win.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
I mean, you know, I need people to to rock
with me and stream it, but it's about also finding
your audience. It wasn't easy for me here to not
be the same cut of cloth. That's the that's the
more accepted deal.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
That's the deal.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
So you know it's risky, but uh, you know, hopefully
worthwhile in the long run.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
Sam Williams with a V on Instagram. Sam Williams, Where
the AA is so, Sam Wilm, Sam, good to see you, buddy.
Speaker 3 (48:38):
Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production
Host
Bobby Bones
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