On this episode of the BobbyCast, Bobby sat down with country music singer/songwriter, Cody Jinks. Bobby asked Cody if he is ever misunderstood because of how he looks, and Cody talked about the reason people think he's mean. Cody also discussed why he went from drinking a bottle of whiskey and 12-pack of beer a day to not drinking anymore. The guys also talked about Cody being on the road for a large portion of his life and career, and why he cut back to spend more time with his family. Plus, Cody talked about going through an identity crisis which ultimately led to his fans not even recognizing him!
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
I went and did a show in Alabama for seven
thousand people the next night.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Nobody knew it was me when I walked down on stage.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
It was the weirdest thing I can ever remember happening
in my life. Because I was already messed up. I
just thought, Oh my god, what am I doing? Who
am I like?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Who is this character?
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Welcome to episode five twenty eight with Cody Jinks. He's
a native of Haltham City in Fort Worth, Texas, and
he still lives in Texas, right yep. So when he
comes around, he's just like coming up to do all
the Nashville stuff.
Speaker 5 (00:39):
Then heading back home knocks it all out.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
That's kind of the dream, Like if this is not
your home, then you don't have to like move somewhere,
because a lot of people they have to. We had
to move here, and I like it here now. But
it's kind of the dream to be Texas and stay
in Texas. I mean, Parker McAll him, just moved back
to Texas living back there?
Speaker 6 (00:55):
Would you do that?
Speaker 5 (00:56):
Like with Arkansas? You just come here like once a month.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
I need to come here, though once a month. I
don't think just stay there. I think this now is home.
But I would move to Faetteville. Probably when did it
feel like home to you? Because it's like just started
to feel like home to me in like the last
one or two years. Yesterday, Yeah, yesterday it did. For
the first house, like dangs feels like home. Uh, probably
whenever Caitlin moved here, because then I had a reason
(01:21):
to look forward to coming home. Otherwise it was just
like a nice house in a city that I was
at sometimes. But yeah, that's the dream. I like Cody
Jinks a lot. If you see him, you could be
intimidated by him. Covered in tattoos, got the beard, I mean,
did play in thrash metal bands? What's the difference in
thrash and like heavy thrash is like a lot faster
than the drums are, Like.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Oh, I do know the drums.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Thinking about Cody though, he's made his own path, he's
kind of killing it and we spent an hour talking
about that. He has a new album out that is
called In My Blood, just came out on Friday. He
is on his Hippies and Cowboys tour that kicked off
at the end of May, and you can go and
watch him. He's also doing two headlining shows at the
Chelsea at the Cosmo in Vegas, December twelfth and thirteenth.
Here he is Cody Jinks.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Cody, good to see you.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Likewise, thank you, thank you so much for having me
and hosting.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Do you feel like people?
Speaker 4 (02:16):
And I'm going to ask this because my answer to
you is yes, and I feel like the answer to
me is yes. But do you feel like people get
the wrong impression of you before they meet you?
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Because I did, because you've done the show before and
I found you quite delightful, which is not what I
thought I would think about having you.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
Say can I say diddo? You can say whatever you want.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I actually, after the first time we spoke, I've left
going I was like, oh man, I like that guy same.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
And it's not that I didn't expect. I didn't expect
you to like me. And because I didn't expect you
to like me, because you're Cody freaking Jinx right, and
you got a big beard and it's like you're independent
f everything, And I'm like that kind of dude doesn't
know my story, so he's gonna think he doesn't like me,
so I don't like him. That's how I felt the
first time I met you and you left. I remember
(03:02):
telling everybody like, that's my new best friend, Like I
love that dude.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
So that's my takeaway from the last time.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
I agree. No, I appreciate that. No, I did.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
I liked you and and God and this is so
bad man. And I'm just being completely honest. In this business,
so oftentimes it's not that you want to like, I'm
not even gonna want to lock that person or dislike
that person or whatever.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
But you you're like, oh, I was surprised.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Again.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
I've been doing this twenty five years and it's like, oh, yeah, no,
he was cool. Okay, good, good, awesome.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
It's cool to me when a preconceived notion that gets
very conceived because I'm jaded a bit by the industry
good and bad ways. You meet so many people, and
there's a reason cliches are cliche for the most part,
because things in this world that you think of one
way usually end up being.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
That way, usually not always.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
And No, I found you to be really cerebral. I
found you to be quite generous and kind with your time,
and you just don't look like you'd be It's the
tattoos and the biker beard and your story.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
You know, it's it's funny that you say that, and
I do get that quite a bit. My daughter is
a teenager, and recently, within the last few months, you know,
she said, I've been I've been home.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
We just started our tour, but I've been home a
great deal of time.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
And she's been in dance competition season, and she thought
that I was not enjoying going to these dance competitions
because I stand there like that, Yeah, just just straight yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
And that's that's just that's just me.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
So whenever this guy is just standing there like this,
and she goes, dad, you look mad and pissed off
all the time. And and and I think that the
other young lady she dances with her, he's used. They're
used to me now, but the parents are as well.
But I guess it just looks like I'm always pissed off.
And she goes, you just look mad all the time.
And I was like, Casey, Casey, I was just talking
(04:59):
to my sister. Case I was like, Meredith, you know
how long it's taken me to look like this, and
how much of my life I've been you know, beat up,
And so you know, I kind of have a and
like you said beat. In this business, you have kind
of a you get jaded in good ways and in
bad ways, and that's it's so it's it's funny that
(05:22):
you say that, because I just had that conversation with
my almost sixteen year old daughters like.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I'm I may look like that or you know this.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I was like, but I'm watching you do your solo
and I'm trying not to tear up.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I was like, did you just need to hear me
say that? Like does that help?
Speaker 5 (05:40):
And yes it did.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Actually, So I was like, I'm not talking to people
because I'm enjoying watching you perform. You know, it's beautiful
and I love it. And I've been gone on the
road for a lot of my kids lives. So the
baseball games, in the ballet recitals, the parents are all nice,
they're all great people.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
Kids are great.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
You know it.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Just after a while they realized, oh, you can go
talk to him.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
And it may take halfway through the season because I
don't talk. I don't just sit down and talk to people. Dude, say,
you know, if if.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Somebody walks up and says something, I love it.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Intelligence If you walk up and you want to talk
about fishing or Hey, what do you walk up and
ask me what book I'm reading?
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Bro Like, I'll be like, let's go, let's.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Talk, you know, but yeah, it's it's I don't seem
approachable oftentimes, but I enjoy a great conversation. I'm far
better one on one than I am in social scenarios.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
I'm very socially awkward.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Same weird because we both have jobs that are The
job itself is that of an extreme extrovert, the job
on the stage. I would find that people at times
would send me a DM going, hey, I saw you
so and so, and you just weren't that nice. Now,
(06:59):
I have never not be nice to anybody that appreciates
what I do. If it's right books, if it's do podcasts,
if it's too stand up. I've never, ever, ever not
been nice. And I'd be like, well where was I,
they would say, and I said, why did I talk
to anybody there? Like then it comes, But I think
I have, like, deep down in my guts, the feeling
that nobody really wants me around anyway, so I don't
bother anybody. I'm a wallflower. I could see how someone
(07:21):
would see me and go oh, but they didn't talk
to me like, say, but go back to what you
said right before that.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I assume deep down nobody wants me there anyway. Part
of my job as an entertainers, as the gester is
I've I've earned my way through life entertaining well.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
The gest are part of me too.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
I'm I have great confidence in that part of me
when I'm there to do that, specifically, when I'm to
be a normal human, I feel like I have three
arms and four eyeballs me too and so, and because
of that, I don't go I'm just not I won't
say not friendly, but I'm not bothersome. It's what it
feels like to me. I'm not gonna be I'm not
gonna bother anybody. So people will go like, man, what
(08:00):
a dick. I'm like, I know, just say something.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Isn't that funny?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
I'm the same way, and people are like I think
people are. It's it's off putting to people because they assume, yeah,
what a dick, and like and I've been in scenarios.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Worth man, I don't remember anybody saying anything.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
To me at all because I've, like you said, while ago,
I've never I've never not been if some of it
is not being mean to me. I've never not been
nice intentionally to somebody just for the sake of not
being nice or we all have our days and things
of that nature.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
But like, dude, I don't say mean things to people.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
I actually appreciate when people appreciate what I do, because
it's that's what I work so.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Hard to do.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I am the first one to if you walk, I
love any It never bothers.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
Me with people at airports wherever. When I'm eating, Oh no,
I don't want to. I don't want that.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I don't want it. But I never see anything mean.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
I may say fair enough.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I may say, hey, man, I'm trying to have a
meal with my family. I'd love I'd love to give me,
give me thirty minutes, dude, you know, let me have
I'll do that and and I'll go over and what
interrupt his meal later.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
But you know, uh, that's a general role too.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
I'll share with people that, hey, if somebody's creating something,
they like to be appreciated for the creation. However, the
two times that I would not go up to a
celebrity if they're in public is when they're eating or
with their kids.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Kids.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Those are those are universally the two that I say,
don't do it.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Me neither me, neither not.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Everybody can control themselves. And I think that you've probably
run into that too. People like kind of they just
kind of like oh, and they just gravitate to you,
and all of a sudden they're there and they're and
then they're having a moment where they're saying, I don't
want to be that person. I didn't mean to be
the fangirl, and you know, and it's like, well, you know,
and it's and it's happening and and and you know, okay,
(09:52):
and you listen to them and they thank you for
what you do, and thank them and.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Have a good day. I don't want this to come off.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
And I think both of us are coming from the
same place, like I couldn't appreciate more when someone relates
and enjoys is entertained by something I do. And we
don't have kids yet, but I do eat, and it's
like nobody wants to have somebody come over the top
of them and like spit in their food, but we
(10:22):
do appreciate when someone comes up. I've never I'll say
it this way, I've never met somebody who creates who
doesn't appreciate somebody coming up to them and saying, hey,
I appreciate what you do. Like every single person I
know that does music or comedy or any kind of art,
they like it when people come up and say, hey,
I'm a fan. The only two times I would say
not to do that is food and kids.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, and the people, like you said, the people that create,
even if they're maybe because oftentimes, you know, people will
walk up and they may get nothing more from me
than a handshake and a thank you very much.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
I really appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
But I'm saying that because thank you very much, because
I really appreciate it. Maybe all I have to say
about it, but I love to hear that. And even
if you just get a thanks man like No, that's
like our guitar player Chris from Walks a Hatchie, that's
where That's where Mike's from.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah, yeah, we.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Were just talking about that and uh and and then
the fort work for for I came to my hometown
for Worth. But our guitar player Chris, he's one of
those guys people obviously, he doesn't say anything. He's been
with us years and years and we've had like four conversations,
and he's one of those guys that he's like thanks man, and.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
That's he's he loves it. You just made his whole day.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
But all you get is thanks man. You know he's
up there talking with his guitar.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
So that's value. Yeah, especially if Mike doesn't talk, not
a whole lot. Yeah, I mean doesn't talk.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, well it still waters man.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
I'm not sure why doesn't talk, because he's a brilliant.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Guy, but yeah, smart dude gotta like pull on it and
be like hey man, so you won.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Those are the best kind of people though. I've found,
like my wife is is like that not I mean,
you know, it's it's I've been captivated by her because
there's so much more going on than I know. And
so that's why I still want to be around hers,
because like I'm still I'm still trying to solve that
(12:22):
that thing because she's she's very much that kind of character.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Are you are?
Speaker 5 (12:28):
Are you a Capricorn?
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Cancer? You're cancer? Okay?
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Yeah, man, I don't know any of that means.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
You know, I don't either.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I don't, but I know my wife's a Capricorn.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
So I was just throwing darks there got it?
Speaker 5 (12:40):
What Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I know, mention of music.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
What are three things that you are super interested in
and you love No music, no, no music even nothing could
be even music adjacent?
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Yeah, no, no worries.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
No, I got I got the hunting and fishing fishing first,
you know, but I'll categorize those as as the same thing,
the hunting and fish, and that would well, that would
be the second thing. Family has been a super huge
focus for me the last couple of years.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
I've really spent.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Time and focus and and effort and h and trying
to be a better husband and father, hunting and fishing
after that, and I think, I think thirdly, you know,
I'm I'm taking better care of myself mentally and spiritually
and physically as well. That's that's become a big focus
(13:37):
for me. I spent a lot of my life in
a haze, and so I'm able to to take care
of I have more bandwidth now and so I'm able
to to take care of everything better, including myself.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
And so I think my family and.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Taking care of myself being getting out into nature, you know,
getting a rod and reel and you know, that's that's
that's a really spiritual thing for me, and outdoors people get.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
That, what is your favorite kind of fishing?
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I grew up bass fishing. I grew up in a
john boat on stock tanks, and I remember my dad
got his first bass boat. We got a seventy nine
Skeeter whenever I was fifteen, and an old tryhole, tryhole skeeter,
and that's when we started fishing big water. We got
into striper fishing, and uh that all everything spawned from
bass fishing, though, but I I fish all the.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Time still still.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
If I'm at home, I'll fish at least twice a week.
But I'll fish for everything I usually I love. Well,
I was just cat. I was cat fishing with my
buddy before I got here, before I left on this trip,
and then I was fishing with my I was crappie
fishing with my dad, and so I planned on doing
(14:59):
some bass fish when I get home.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
My stepdad was a striper guide.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Oh gosh, yeah, man.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
To me the best, and I spent all my kid
life in the woods or on the water. I know
you're watching this and judging me of I'm a nice
card again that I wear now, But I'm just a
redneck from Arkansas. My stepdad though, was a striper guide
after he worked at the mill, so on the weekends
(15:25):
in the evenings he was a striper guide, and then
when he retired, he continued to be a striper guide.
To me, that is the most fun because those are
the biggest. But for my mom died and we still
have it. I think she got a forty two pound striper.
That's it's huge and he and it's bigger than any
that my stepdad had caught. And he has like seven
or eight that are that he had mounted just for
(15:46):
business purposes that were like in the thirties. Yeah, my
mom had a forty two pound striper. So striper fishing
was my favorite. Now when you would get the highbrid.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
I don't know anybody that's ever caught a forty two
I know guides that don't have.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
I mean I know a guide my step who doesn't
have a for it. Yeah, my mom freaking caught it
before she died.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
My uh.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
And and so we do a bunch of hybrid Did
you ever catch shad?
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
You know, no, we used them, but we would pay
for a guy to give us the shad.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
So I had to because we would catch our own
shad and then keep us throwing the net yep and
and keep onlightbl they'd only stayed alive for twelve hours. Sure,
so there, but so you'd see him flicker on the
top and I'd have to drive the boat sometimes before
school to catch the shad.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
It's hardcore.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
It's hardcore, especially when you're like twelve and he's on
the front of the boat with the net that throw
net that you it's hard to throw because that's spread perfectly,
sink down, you pull it back up and catch the shad.
He's going to use those throughout the day. And but
when you're twe A many times I dumped on the water.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
You know what's.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Funny that you say that is because I'm just having
my dad being in the front of the boat on
the flipping deck saying all right, boy, back up just.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
A little bit and in him, you know, because I.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Just want yeah exactly, You're like, there was no moderation
for us and that young in a boat.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
It's funny.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
I just had that that menage that mental image.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Uh that So we did one and then hybrids were
fun because white bass dripper they fight hard.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Even not as big.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Absolutely, the white bass kind of sucked a lot of
a lot of bass fishing, which is the you know,
black bass, depending on a large mouth. But we lived
near a ramp, and when the trout truck would drive by,
and I went to school. I graduated in ninety eight,
so in probably like ninety six, we'd see the trout
truck drive by. That would stock and our school was
(17:38):
just like, yeah, we understand, just leave whenever you see
a drive back.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
I used to skip school to go fishing.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Not skip, it wasn't skipped. The school would know. The
school would go, oh, you guys all the trout truck
just can your car and go.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
So we would go.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
And then as soon as they would dump, just ripping
off yep. So that and then the best eating.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
Was crappy, for sure.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Absolutely crappy is the best.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
It's the best eating.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Absolutely crappy is the best for eating fish. The trout
in Texas, see, you guys were a little you guys
could get more. The trout would stay longer after they
were dumped, probably because y'all's waters were a little cooler
than ours, because very cold right by the damn yeah yeah,
whenever they drop in the I guess the DFW experiences.
They'll stay alive for a little while and they'll drop
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them in the wintertime or the fall. But we used
to go up to the White My dad and I
used to go to the White River up in Arkansas,
and that's where we'd go trout fishing up there, and
so yeah, there was it was good trout fishing up there.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
So I never did this as a kid. But did
you ever fly fish?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
No?
Speaker 7 (18:37):
No.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
My dad got into it after I was out of
the house, and he said that he loved a brim fish.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
We called him perch perch, yeah, we called him perch jerkin. Yeah,
we'd go do the perch jerkin.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Yeah. And he learned.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
He taught hisself how to fly fish. And I have
never learned it. And I know to me the people
that do it and have dedicated their self to the
art of it.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Have you done no? Now?
Speaker 4 (19:01):
I Johnny Morris, best pro shop owner, invited us to
come up to his property once and he let us
go on what he calls his his honey hole and
it was with fly rods. Yeah, and didn't know how
to do it. We were still yanking him out like crazy.
But that's my only experience. But I didn't grow up
around that. I wondered if you did, though, Like, well,
(19:22):
first of all Zepko as a kid, yeah, and the
thirty three Yeah, and then it just, you know, slowly
elevated itself.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
But I never I don't think I I would have
the patience or.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
The because I feel like fly fishing is almost like
you were talking about, it's almost a meditation of sorts
because you have to focus on the fly, putting, creating
the fly, using the fly, so all of that.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
I think the whole process is beautiful.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I would It's kind of like I tried playing golf
and I'm no good at it, but I tried it
and I gained an.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
Appreciation for it that I didn't have before.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
I'm not fly fishing, but I.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Love all the.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Process of it, like you said, preparing the flies.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
And then I think that fly fishermen are going out
there and working on just their technique and having the
mental thing going on there. I think that's probably as much,
I'm guessing, as much to do with it as anything.
I don't know, I could be wrong, but I just
I think it's a it's a focus thing. It's a
just standing there and making sure your swing is correct.
(20:27):
It's you know, doing your scales on a guitar on it.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8 (20:33):
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Speaker 4 (20:43):
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Speaker 5 (20:47):
When you talk about reading books, what kind of books
do you like to read?
Speaker 3 (20:50):
I read a.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
Little bit of everything.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Right now. I went back and I'm reading my buddy.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
Tennessee Yet gave me East of Eden. Probably give a
buddy named Tennessee Jet.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Yeah. What's Tennessee Jet do? Because he sounds like he's
making moonshine.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
He's a songwriter, buddy of okay, all right?
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
And he might be making a boo shout.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
But he gave me a copy of East of Eden
years ago, and I'm finally getting through it, and I
think I've found the most horrible villain I've ever read
about in any book in East of Eating. Her name
is Kathy. She's like the most vile thing I have
ever read about. I'm reading that one right now.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Is that true?
Speaker 3 (21:33):
The story?
Speaker 5 (21:35):
It's a fiction story.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yeah, it's a Steinbeck book and it's a classic. I'm revisiting.
So I do fun stuff with my wife and I
read a whole bunch both of us, and so she's
usually she reads a bunch of different stuff than I do,
but we kind of trade back and forth, and I've
usually got a physical book going and an audible book going.
I don't listen to as much radio anymore, listen to
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my stories, my programs.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
The problem with Audible and reading. I tried to do
the same book, reading it and listening to it. Yeah,
I just simultaneously or differently, well at different times. So
in my car, I would try to listen to the
book and then if I was back home, I read it.
The problem is I wish they would tell you page
turn and Audible what page number it was on, because
then I can't find it in the book, and if
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I do two books and once again my stories mixed up.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
I've had that problem.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
I was reading a book recently and there was a
part in the book that I flagged on Audible, and
then I had the physical copy of the book and
it to me forever to find it because I was
going to like circle littery.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Yeah, that's I just like would like to use that
time to continue, Yeah, chasing the story, which I'm totally into,
or if it's a nonfiction book. But I can't do
I can't do two books because my stories mix up
in my head. And then if I try to do
one listening and one read but the same book, I
can't ever catch up. I can't find the spot O.
There are bigger problems in the world, but not many.
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That's like top three problems in the world, probably rank
third hunger, you know it, war, Yeah, and three audible
to book pay your stories crossed.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Exactly And I feel you, man, No, it's it's it's
a it's a it's a good problem to have in it.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
What kind of teenager were you?
Speaker 3 (23:16):
I was probably weird, weird.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
Or problematic or both.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I walked right up to the edge of going to
jail now.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I mean I went to jail once for stealing street
signs and it was dumb. I was sixteen with some
of my buddies. But I was mischievous. I wasn't bad.
I was mischievous and it was anything for a laugh.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Everything was a good time. So it was it was.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
I was quiet at home, and I'm still quiet at home.
But when I was because my dad was very, very strict.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
That was a hard dude.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
When we were home, when I was a kid, so
it was kind of like what kind of moods? Dad
and everybody else was really quiet. So my mouth got
me into a lot of trouble at school because everything
that I wasn't.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Able to do it.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
I was like what to school?
Speaker 1 (24:08):
And I got in trouble for you know, I skipped
class a lot, but the teachers loved me, so it
was kind of like, mister Jenks, go back to wherever
you're supposed to be and quit disrupting my class.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
It was that kind of thing. It was. I played sports.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
I was I was a below average athlete, but I
played sports all through high school. I worked from the
time I was a freshman all the way through high school.
And so if I wasn't working or playing sports, I
was at home playing guitar.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
I didn't go to parties. I wasn't a part of
that group.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
Where'd you get the guitar?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I picked my dad's up when I was fifteen.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
Where'd he get the guitar?
Speaker 1 (24:52):
My dad bought a nineteen eighty one Takamini right after
he and my mom had me, and it was a
lost TAKAMENI was one of the Eel three forty nine's
the name looked like the Martin name, and you'll hear
people talk about the lawsuit talkomenis and that's those. So
Dad bought one of those, and I grew up around it,
but didn't pick it up until I was fifteen, and
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then I wouldn't put it down. And so when I
was sixteen, Mom and dad bought me a Fender Stratocaster,
the Squire series, and we were off to the races.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
Because your dad was, as you described him, either quiet,
I don't know if he was unpredictable.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
My dad was unpredictable.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
We found out what bipolar was in nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
So prior to that, he was just unpredictable.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
Yeah, my mom was bipolar two and an addict.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
So definitely similar vibe where everything was kind of on
our backs because we did we didn't trust it enough
to be on hers. Yes, if he's playing guitar and
then you start playing guitar, was a bit of you
playing guitar to I won't say b like, but to
show him, hey, like, pay attention to me.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
I'm doing what you like to do.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
No, Because I remember him, I remember him.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Being I'd be like, hey, Dad, check this out.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
And he always had so much on his mind, you know,
and I just it was kind of like, yeah, that's
that's cool, you know. And it wasn't that I wanted
him to be proud of me for it. Now, after
I got older and I was started making a living
in the bars and Dad really softened up. You know,
Dad'll tell you. You know, he's living both of our dreams.
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You know, Dad wanted to do this. That's what Dad
wanted to do. You know, didn't work out in his
life for that, and it did for me. And so yeah,
you know, I kind of feel like I carried the
torch that seed was planted, but it wasn't ever he
expected that whatever me and my sister did. Mom and
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Dad supported it. You know, it wasn't didn't have to
be music. But he loves it.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
He's still alive, he is, Yeah, he is.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Mom and Dad fortunately are both still around him.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Did you feel like playing the guitar later on brought
you guys closer? Did he give you a conduit to
actually talk and like open up it all?
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Phishing was our first and really one of our only
conduits when I was a kid. That's really why I
loved fishing with my dad because that's we didn't really talk.
And that was the funny thing. We would sit in
the boat for hours and hours and hours and talk
a little.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Bit and Dad.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Dad and I always had had a good relationship. I
have always had a good relationship. We've always been able
to talk despite him being a He's a very loving
man in spite of being very difficult and very hard
and not understanding what mental illness is.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
And like I said, until the nineties.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
And the guitar has really I wrote a song on
the new record, you know, and I'm talking kind of
about that top thing about Dad used to sing the
cats and the cradles when I was a kid, and
now we're living that, and so I make mention of that.
And now I'm on the road working and providing for
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a family and have been for a long long time
and trying to to balance, you know, son, when you
coming home soon? You know, Dad, I don't know when.
So you know, we're kind of living that. You know,
they're getting older, and.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
So it's it's why I don't to quite as much anymore.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
My children are getting older, our parents are getting older,
and our band, most of our band is all this
hell Man, hot Rod are still player.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
He just jumped back on the road. He just lost
his mom. So our band is entering that phase of.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Our life, you know.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
So it's that's a kind of a kind of a
weird place to be. But to answer your question, Dad
just he loves what I do. He still loves it.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
To just expand on that for those lest things.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
So Cat Stevens had Cats in the Cradle and the Silverspoon,
the little the whole song is really about the dad
being gone doing his thing and the kids like where. Yeah,
like I don't get to see you know. It's that vibe. Yes,
And you say you live in that now, but I
feel like you're from what I've learned from you, like
you're trying not to live that as much now.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Yeah, we had we hit the brakes Man, We really did.
I had to for my mental health. You know. I
know that the band is enjoyed spending time with their family,
their families respectively, and it's it's important we stayed gone
for a very very long time.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Well when you say stay gone, because here, even if
I'm torny stand up, I'm doing maybe Thursday night, but
Friday night, Saturday night, I'm back Sunday, I gotta feeling
that ain't what you're doing or wasn't what you were doing?
Speaker 3 (29:41):
No for man.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
For thirteen years from seven to twenty twenty, when COVID hit,
I was gone nine to ten months a year gone gone,
I would come home. I would be gone three to
four weeks, come home for one or come home for
two on a long one't be gone three to four weeks,
come home for one or two weeks. So yeah, it
worked out to where, you know, some of those years
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we were playing over two hundred shows a year, or
I was acoustic in full band, and there wasn't coming
home for weeks at a time.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
This may seem like an odd question, and it might
be stupid, but did it ever feel less comfortable to
be at home?
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Yeah, freak.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
That's why I stayed gone a lot.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
That's why I drank so much, And that's why me
and my kids are making up for not making up,
but are spending more time together now. Because I didn't
talk to my kids a lot because it was too
painful whenever I was on the road, you know, So
when they were young, you know, uh, it was just
you know, dad was gone and sometimes you didn't hear
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from him for days at a time, and I was
just on the road and sad and drunk and playing
shows and and COVID hit and that was a forced
reality check. And so they got to know like the
real me at home twenty four to seven for over
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a year and started making some changes during that time.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
You know, I was like, man, I have just been
a real.
Speaker 7 (31:10):
You can say, otherfucker, yeah, you know, and I still am,
but you know, it's uh, it's it's gotten better.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
So the focuses have changed, Like I said, well go
it's been you know, family, family has has uh. I Man,
I did a lot of damage. I did a lot
of damage and so we're we're working on it.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
The kids are working on.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
It too, because they've had to get used to two
different guys because I'm like how everybody perceived me to
be for all those years. I was that guy at
home too, like it that wasn't an act, man, I
was a fucking asshole.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
What was the goal just at I was mad at
the world, dude, I'm just what was the goal to
fucking punish the world?
Speaker 4 (31:57):
I don't know, at let's do twenty five year old Cody,
What's what was the life goal, sing.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
About how pissed I was, sing about how eft up
everything was, you know, I mean, in your.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
A perfect scenario, where was the apex of your career?
Speaker 5 (32:16):
What was the biggest thing? What was the goal there?
Speaker 4 (32:19):
Did you want to do play on top of the moon,
just stadiums? Did you want to make a living?
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Just make a living?
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Really?
Speaker 1 (32:25):
I never I never wanted to be a whatever kind
of band, stadium band I wanted to.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
It was more important to me to go out as
an artist.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
That was like, oh God, that hurt, Like as an
artist's artist, as somebody that it was like you look
at somebody that maybe you wouldn't have had I don't know, Well,
you wouldn't have had any You wouldn't have had a
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Metallica or anybody else without Sabbath, you know, like you
might not have had Shanaia Twain without Reebash and I,
you know, blew the doors off everybody. You wouldn't have had,
you know, maybe George Straight without Meurle or Lefty Frizell
and look what George has done.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
So being an artist like, but those artists still have
their favorites.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
And knowing that I made a mark was more important
to me than the size of where I played.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
Did you ever? Did you ever?
Speaker 4 (33:29):
When did you start writing songs that you felt were
more personal in music than you actually would ever share
with anybody in real life.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
My junior year I was really when I think I
started writing. Well.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
I had been dabbling in writing since I had been
like seven years old, and I remember writing metal songs
when I was thirteen, fourteen, fifteen years old, and some
of them were good stuff, and then we're really horrible,
I would imagine. But I think really, when I was
probably sixteen seventeen eighteen, I started kind of and I
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gained the confidence from a teacher that I had. I'll
tell this story yesterday about a teacher that I had
my junior year, my English teacher. She, you know, she
was the first person to ever tell me you're a
great writer.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
And I was like, huh hmmm, I don't think.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Thanks, I don't.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
I don't even know how to take that. You know,
I've never been great at anything. I've been pretty good
at some stuff, you know, But I don't know.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
Maybe I can do this, I don't know. Who knows.
Speaker 6 (34:34):
The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the
Bobby Cast did.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
You and were you able to use music as a
bit of a cape or superhero costume and it was
the truth, but you were able to use that as
a way to say it when you wouldn't say otherwise.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Yeah, absolutely, under because you can say anything through music.
Nobody wants to hear your opinions if you want to
get off politically or on a spiritual thing or whatever.
You know, people will listen to your songs all day.
They do not want to hear you talk about it.
When you're a songwriter, and that's your job. Yeah, it's
you can say anything you want a song, you know so.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
And I learned that very quick as a guy who
and I'm gonna throw a big blanket over this, who
did it all yourself? Independently? And I know there's a
lot of nuance to that, and you didn't do it.
Nobody does it all themselves. But sure you understand what
I'm saying for the.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
Sake of that whenever.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
You started to grow, because I know what it's like
to go at it really hard for a long time
and have almost no traction. And I my first I
built my own syndication company with my own money that
I didn't have that I didn't have, and then all
of a sudden, I'm creating traction and it's like, Wow,
this guy's kind of an overnight success. And I'm like,
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you have no idea, Like I've been killing myself for
fifteen freaking years.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
Your story is a bit different. But you did do
it yourself.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
A lot of parallels though, and when you start catching on.
Is that weird because you did it a long time
and you were and you were doing wonderfully as compared
to what you wanted to do with your life. But
there was a time where you started to pierce the
consciousness of a casual country music fan.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
Was that a weird time?
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (36:28):
And it happened when I was thirty seven, and.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
I feel like you weren't doing anything different too. I
think that's what was weird about it.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
I remember being thirty seven years old and thinking, I
guess I've air quotes made it when I started really
gaining traction, And then also remember thinking, huh, wow, feeling
different to me, you know, And so yeah, it is.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
It is weird.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
And did you really have to create the art differently
or did you even think should I create the art?
Speaker 2 (37:01):
I got impressed, I got depressed.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Man, I went into a really deep depression from about
thirty seven thirty eight, thirty nine.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
I was on those seventeen eighteen or nineteen, and I
was on.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
The road really really, really hard all three of those years,
and I was not taking care of myself.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
I was I was really drinking too much, and.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Well I had impostors syndrome and was and went through
an identity crisis. I remember being on a tour with
Jamie Johnson and shaved my beard off. I got really drunk,
shaved my beard off because I hadn't seen what I
looked like. So what's the best thing to do? Shave
your beard off? Pissed drunk at three o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 5 (37:42):
Obviously, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
And then my wife walked in and I'd been off
the road, and she's like, what are you doing. I
was like, I shaved my beard off. She's like, wow,
I want to see what it look like. She goes,
what do you think? I go, I don't like it.
And I grew my beard. But I went and did
a show in Alabama for seven thousand people the next
night or two nights later, something like that.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Nobody knew it was me when I walked.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Out on stage.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
It was the weirdest thing I can ever remember happening
in my life because I was already messed up and
then I just walked out.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
On stage and nobody knew who I was.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
It was almost like like the dream where you don't
have pants on and the like, that's as close to
that real life situation.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
I just thought, Oh my god, what am I doing?
Who am I?
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Like?
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Who is this fucking character that I've created? Like I
don't even know who I am? You know, Like I've
been drunk my entire adult life. I've been on the
road continually, you know, and like I had just start
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figuring some stuff out. Man. It's so yeah, COVID hit
forced time home, man, and really a lot of introspection
at that. And then last couple of years, I hadn't
been drinking so at all. No, not at all, well,
no nothing, not a drop man. So you know, just
just taking care of clearing out some bandwidth, you know,
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trying to grow up, and our parents are getting older.
We lost my father in law last August, so uh,
you know, we're focusing on my wife's side of family
and my side of the family a little bit more
and raising the kids up and.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
Just not touring as much.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
Did you have concerns that if you didn't drink you
wouldn't be the same.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
It was a weird thing because when I was a kid,
I remember watching an interview with George Jones and here,
and I remember him talking about when he quit drinking,
he goes, I didn't think I could walk on stage
without it. I had to learn how to do everything over.
I took my first sober plane ride when I was
forty three. I did everything. I did everything over it.
I had to learn how to walk again. I had
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to learn how to talk again. I had to learn
how to do everything I'd learned to write.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
At the height of your drinking, what we're drinking and
how much to day.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
The height of my drinking, I was drinking a bottle
of whiskey and a twelve pack of beer golly every day.
Speaker 5 (40:02):
Could you still get drunk?
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Yeah? Oh yeah, I'd be hammered.
Speaker 5 (40:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
At what point of the day i'd be hammered by?
I'd be hammered by five or six.
Speaker 5 (40:13):
Were you completely functioning? Yes? Functional?
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (40:17):
Did it feel like if you weren't drunk you wouldn't
be as functional? Yes? Because that was.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
That's what addicts do though, Yeah, that's that, that's the
attic thing. That's like, No, I didn't know if I
could do without it, and then you know it's like, well,
doing with it is really starting to screw things up, dude.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
You know, did you have with draws when you start drinking?
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Yeah, night sweats and about for how long.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
I had night mayors And I really had really bad
sweats for the first week, and then night mayores went
on for a couple of weeks, and then I started
sleeping really well.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
And you'll hear you'll hear addicts.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Talk about that, like you'll as we like, you're sleeping better,
and you'll know when somebody's kind of turned that corner,
because you know, that's something that starts happening. Your natural
your chemicals start to rebalance.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
My So I tricked with my mom and rehab a
few times, and I don't know, my dad a biological
day left when I was five six, and my mom
was an attic and from a very small rural town.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
So it was meth.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
It was it was it was all alcohol is weird.
It was everything, but the meth. That's that was the
big getter. Yeah, and then opioids because they were so
easy to get and so cheap to get, so and
then it would turn into mouthwash. Right, it was anything
with alcohol, sure, So multiple times I would check my
mom in, but she could easily check herself out because
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it wasn't a hold, and she would constantly check herself out,
and I would be upset and I wouldn't understand. I
really wouldn't understand, and she ended up dying. She was
forty six years old. She had me when she was sixteen,
so uh, not the easiest life obviously, and so what
I remember she died, and I remember being so angry
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at her all the time. And I had some issues
happened to me PTSD wise where I got PTSD wise,
where I got jumped at work, I got pistol whipped
at a event once I was doing I'm a house
broken into So all this stuff had happened, and the
doctor said, hey, I wasn't sleeping at all, and we
tried all these things. I'm so scared to be an addict.
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I'm scared to take anything because of that history with
my mom and not knowing my dad, and so I'm
I don't like to take medicine much less take anything
that will possibly hook me. Right, I feel the addict
in me and other things. It doesn't matter what I do.
Speaker 5 (42:39):
I feel it.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
So we went for like a year a week experimental
with things, and finally he was like, hey, look you're
gonna be You're getting sick because you're not sleeping. Because
I wasn't sleeping at all, and so I took a
sleeping pill and I took it for like two or
three months, but I found myself tethered to it, and
I'm hyper aware of it. And I try not to
say addicted, because I've seen real addiction and I don't
think I was addicted, but I was.
Speaker 5 (43:00):
I was very dependent.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
And I just stopped taking it one day and I
had some minor withdraws and like my eyes were black,
not physically, but like I would open them and it
was still black, and I would sweat and it was
very minor. And I remember going through that small, small withdraws,
and it gave me the greatest understanding, except I had
no idea of what my mom went through because her
was a thousand times worse. And it was the only
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time in my life that I or it was the
first time that I actually went.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
I get why she couldn't quit because it had to
be hell for her who was basically addicted to anything
and everything. And my tiny dependence on sleeping pills and
the tiny withdraw that I had hurt me physically so
bad that I related to my mom more in that
situation because I didn't really have a real relationship with
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her than any other time while.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
She was alive. Yeah. Wow, Yeah, And.
Speaker 4 (43:53):
That's why I ask about that with the withdraws. If
that's if physically you know it hurt you after that
long of drinking that significant.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Yeah, that's no, that's incredible. That's that you that you
that you felt that.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
And I'm proud and I love that I felt it, even.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Though I was gonna say, man, I'm kind of.
Speaker 4 (44:10):
Glad you went through me too, Yeah, because I think
it would have just been misplaced anger instead. Now it's
a more of an empathetic understanding.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
Empathy is the word.
Speaker 4 (44:20):
It's a bit of perspective and perspective. We never get
perspective because we want it. No, I mean, that's a
tool that we get because we didn't want to have
to earn it.
Speaker 5 (44:27):
But once you have it, it's so valuable. We don't
want to have We only get perspective. It's crap happening.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
That's real life stuff, man, that is that is real stuff.
Speaker 8 (44:35):
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and we're back on the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 5 (44:50):
You ever talked to artists about that?
Speaker 4 (44:51):
New artists about role all the time, all the time,
Because I want to hear from somebody and I don't
I'll tell you a story.
Speaker 3 (44:59):
I want it. I don't want to go to it.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
By the way, if I talk to somebody about marriage,
I want to talk to somebody who's been through some crap.
Oh yeah, like my wife and I went to there.
But I want to go to somebody wh's been married,
been through some crap.
Speaker 5 (45:08):
I don't want.
Speaker 4 (45:08):
I didn't want to go to a preacher but who's
never had an issue or a priest who's never been married,
because I want to hear how hard it is and
what you went through and lead the artists come to
you for the same.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
Absolutely, absolutely tell me a sorry.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
I'll tell you two.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
I'll tell you two young guys.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
That one is Jake Worthington.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
We played the Grand Ole Offre together a few months
ago and his little.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
Baby, Whitley, his little baby girl, Whitley was.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
And his wife were in the dressing room, and it
meant the world to be the day. And I had
my wife and kids with me and we went to
their dressing room and said how to his family, and
he called me soon there after he said, I want
you to know how much that meant. You know to
me and my wife, it can be done in this business.
Speaker 5 (45:50):
You know, to see you and.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
Your grown kids and my wife and I've been together
twenty eight years and that it can be done.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
Said, absolutely, it can be.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Done, buddy, I said, it takes a lot of work.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
And your wife's going to go through as much as
you do because you're going through it. So remember that,
you know, just just and so things like that that
happened a few months ago. Played a festal with Bailey'
Zimmerman the other day. He's one of those guys that
I met him. I was like, I could not help
but like the guy same and he has a ball
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of energy.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
He's twenty five years old. He's a young man.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
And I got to spend about fifteen or twenty.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Minutes with him, which was mostly Bailey.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Talking about his his ride up, his rocket ship up,
you know, and he's he's got a really great foundation morally.
And at the end of the conversation, you know, I guess,
just being one of the older guys, now, I was like, dude,
you know, I said, you know, he's got faith in
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the Lord. I said, just keep putting God first, man,
I said, I said, do that and stay true to yourself.
And I was like, I'm gonna be pulling for him, man,
you know, because that guy's having everything thrown at him,
so you know, to see somebody on his end of it.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
And that meteoric thing.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
You know, what a ride, what a case of whiplash
you must have from that, you know, I am going
to pull for him. I like the guy, you know,
put the Lord first. Keep doing that, young man. And
then you know, Jake On like, hey man, newly married,
new kid, it can be done.
Speaker 5 (47:35):
Yeah, so it's it's good.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
I guess I kind of wanted to be one of
the guys that could look at the younger guys and say,
you know, it's might not be the exact right way
to do it, but.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
You're trying.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
You know, I'm trying, and I'm glad we get to
talk about things like that.
Speaker 4 (47:55):
Bailey's interesting because Bailey and I have similar backgrounds, and
when Bailey came to town. You're right, he has been
on a rocket at times and wo but can be
unfair to the kid because he knew how to sing.
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But he did know how to sing, and I think
someone like you would know. You grind it out night
after night after night. You learn how to sing regardless
of the situation. If you're feeling good, you're feeling bad,
if you're sleepy, if you're drunk, if you had a
bad day, wivee's Matt, you have to learn how to
do it. He's a kid on massive stages, does not
know how to sing. Yet he knows how to sing,
but he doesn't know how to He didn't know. You
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couldn't run it. You couldn't go running back and forth
on like the cat walked out whatever that thing is called,
and have breath. So so people have videos of I'm
like sucking and I'm like, dude, you know, the difference
is that everybody else they got to come up smaller
to bigger.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
That's the record labels. I don't you know.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
I say this all the time, and I've said it
recently interview.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
I don't man the artists or the artists, the record
labels or the record labels. That's I never dog artists, man,
I never, there's I don't care if I like your
music or not. That's things like that are the fault
of the record company.
Speaker 5 (49:10):
Yeah, the people looking out for him, for sure.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
You know. And that's something that I tell people a lot.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
I learned how to play for five people, man, not
five hundred, not five thousand. I learned how to play
in front on a Tuesday night in a smoky ass barroom,
trying to keep If you can keep five people interested
on a Tuesday night in a codunk bar for four hours,
you can keep fifty thousand people interested for ninety minutes,
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you know. And that's in what a crash course in
learning all that that young man has had.
Speaker 5 (49:43):
Were you ever resemful that people wanted to talk to
you now.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
Like young artists, no, like or just anybody.
Speaker 5 (49:51):
Let's just use me as an example.
Speaker 4 (49:52):
Yeah, because I would have known about you had your
music not started to come to me through friends. Yeah,
And they would have known about you had to not
started to road to a place that was larger than
what and excuse the term of your cult following was
and so at times I'll get a request to do
a big interview or something, and I'm like, you only
want to talk to me, Like I'm popping off right now
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for a specific reason. You didn't want to talk to
me when things weren't and now I have this weird resembment.
But I'm like, why am I resemful? Like I've been
working hard to get people to want to Did you
ever have that time where you're like, of course, now
people want to talk to me, why they want to
talk to me three years ago?
Speaker 2 (50:23):
No, I had such a bad attitude for so long.
Speaker 5 (50:28):
I didn't, dude.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
I went through like a five year period where I
didn't really do any interviews, like not maybe one or two,
just because I felt like it. There's a vast, a
vast section of my career that there's just no interviews. Man,
I just didn't do them because I didn't want to.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
I didn't I didn't want I was in a bad mood.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
I guess I was always on the road, so anytime
off the road, when I was on the road, I
didn't want to do interviews because I was just tired
of being on the road all the time, and then
I'd get off the road and it's like, I don't
want to do them at home. I'm at home, so
I just I didn't. I was like, have him come
to a show, and right about that, you know. But
now it's so much more a part of my job
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because we're twouring thirty five to fifty dates a year
now and that's it. And so I have the bandwidth
for it now and.
Speaker 5 (51:27):
The patience for it, and.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Just things are better in my own head now, and
I do like to I do enjoy sitting down like
this and talking shop and things of that nature. Yeah,
just things change, you know, older, and I'm yeah, probably
a little bit softer of a human, little more softer
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of a human than.
Speaker 5 (51:52):
I used to be. Think COVID force that, Yeah, a
lot of it did.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
It was really weird, as bad as it was, and
I would never hope wish for it again. Like I said,
you know, it really started the process where I started
to get to know myself and get to know my
family better.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
And but here's here's a funny thing.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
When COVID hit, we'd been on the road, on the road,
on the road, on the road. We panicked, like everybody
else did, and there was a lot of bands that
lost everything, like people stopped getting paid, crew stopped.
Speaker 5 (52:23):
Getting paid, everybody.
Speaker 1 (52:26):
Honestly, when COVID hit, we got about two months in
and nobody band, crew, nobody missed a paycheck. We knew
we were gonna be fine. I didn't realize how much
money we had in the bank.
Speaker 5 (52:42):
I had no dude.
Speaker 1 (52:44):
It sounds funny to say this, and it's not like
it was ten million dollars in the bank or whatever.
It wasn't, but I had no idea how much money
we did have in the bank, and that like, we
were fine and nobody missed a paycheck, and then coming
out on the other side, it was like, we don't
have like we don't have to work as much.
Speaker 5 (53:03):
We don't have we work.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
As hard always we always work hard, but we don't
have to work as much. And I might not to
learn that lesson as quickly without COVID.
Speaker 5 (53:17):
Who are your favorite for artists? Mount Rushmore All Time.
Speaker 1 (53:23):
Answered a similar question to this recently, and I had
kind of two answers. If you had to put your if, like,
if we're just looking at the founding fathers, you know,
obviously I think you'd have to put Jimmy Rogers, Hank Williams,
Lefty Frizelle, and then just because he's the best that
God ever created, Merle Haggard. But I'm just gonna say
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that as as country music historian Cody.
Speaker 2 (53:54):
My personal favorite. What did I say?
Speaker 1 (53:58):
I said it would oh, h Merle Haggard, Johnny Cash,
Willie Nelson, and George Strait.
Speaker 4 (54:06):
Merle Haggard, Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, George Straight. Hey, you
got two of the highwaymen there.
Speaker 3 (54:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (54:12):
How about ever see that show?
Speaker 2 (54:13):
Yeah, you know, one of the funniest things ever.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
I did a show with Chris Christopherson no way, Yeah,
six or seven years ago, and we're standing in the
green room and Chris and Lisa, his wife, were so
cool and so gracious with their time, and Chris was
just in there drinking beer with everybody, and my dad
walks up to Chris Krosto. My mother's I've never seen
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my mother swoon. My mother swooned when Chris Christofferson walked
in the door. And my dad walks up to Chris
Christopherson and goes, hey, Chris, how about you call?
Speaker 3 (54:51):
Will you up and me and you and Willie get
the highway back together.
Speaker 9 (54:59):
And it's one of the only times in my career
I really remember looking over and goes, oh shit, and
Chris looks over, and I don't know if Chris heard him.
Speaker 3 (55:12):
Ride or didn't hear him ride or whatever, but it
just was just because.
Speaker 5 (55:19):
That's the perfect response to that.
Speaker 1 (55:20):
Yeah, I don't even know if he heard him misunderstand
because Chris was like have deaf at the time, anyone almost.
Speaker 5 (55:26):
It was funny.
Speaker 4 (55:27):
That is funny that guy Rhodes scholar. Yeah, veteran, like
and not just a veteran, but like legit. Yes, yes,
great actor, Yeah great, I mean he wrote me and
Bobby McGhee, Yeah, aside from other songs. But he really
doesn't really get the credit for that because Jannah Shchoplin,
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you know, is the one who made that song famous.
Speaker 5 (55:51):
Like he did it, he did it all.
Speaker 3 (55:53):
Yeah, Sunday Morning coming Down.
Speaker 4 (55:55):
I mean, like, I don't know if there's a more
multi dimensional It was also great looking too. It's like
it's just weird that he had everything God and not
that he didn't earn everything.
Speaker 1 (56:04):
I'm not joking, man, Like he was eighty three whenever
we did a show with him years ago.
Speaker 2 (56:11):
And like the dude looked good then.
Speaker 5 (56:15):
Yeah he was.
Speaker 3 (56:17):
Yeah, he was. He was the whole package.
Speaker 2 (56:20):
Just brilliant, handsome, funny.
Speaker 3 (56:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (56:25):
I didn't know that part of him, you know, like
just I don't know any part of him.
Speaker 2 (56:28):
Quick quit man, you know, just man.
Speaker 4 (56:32):
Just yeah, was in a Starsborn, right, Mike, Yeah, the
second that not the very very first one, but the
second one was Barbara Barbara.
Speaker 5 (56:39):
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3 (56:40):
He did it all.
Speaker 5 (56:41):
Yeah, I mean he was Jennifer Lopez.
Speaker 3 (56:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (56:43):
Hey, he walked so she could run. That's what I say.
Speaker 3 (56:47):
He was. He was. He was awesome.
Speaker 1 (56:48):
He was awesome, and uh, it was so nice being
able to It was me and him and Ward Davis
on that Bill and Ward got out and did Bobby
McGee with him.
Speaker 3 (56:57):
That's really that was.
Speaker 1 (56:59):
That was to watch, and I got up and did
Sunday Morning Coming Down with him, and it was just
so special man being able to do that, because he's
one of those guys, he's one of the greatest we've
ever had. And now people are like, man, you got
to play with Christopherson, right, And I'm like, well, as
a matter of fact.
Speaker 3 (57:18):
I did, you know.
Speaker 2 (57:20):
It's like I get to tell some cool stories.
Speaker 4 (57:22):
I want to ask about the record, speaking of you
and Ward Davis wrote Monster together. Yeah, And I think
that's just because a lot of the I'll say a
lot a lot of songs wrote by yourself, but you and
Ward wrote that one together. What about that song stood out?
Speaker 1 (57:36):
That was the last song we wrote on the record. Actually,
the band was doing pre production for the record, and
Ward came to Colorado where we were hold up working
and just stayed with us for about a week and
Ward and I wrote and we ended up writing that song,
and so that song was the last edition that song.
Ward and I both gave up drinking, so for us,
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that song was talking about it. The thing about that song, though,
is I had when we wrote that song, I wanted
a female to sing it. I thought that that would
be a great song for a female to sing and
maybe the monster, you know. I was thinking kind of
a maybe a a woman being done wrong, like a
domestic violence kind of thing, like there's this monster she
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keeps letting back in because so often that's the trend
with with scenarios like that.
Speaker 2 (58:25):
So I had that picture kind of painted.
Speaker 1 (58:28):
And Josh, our bass player and producer, he was like, dude,
you got to sing that song, and Ward was like, dude,
you got to sing that song. And so everybody's got
a monster, and monsters are real and they're they're out
there and everybody's as different. And I think that that's
what's kind of cool about that song. It's got such
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a swing in almost disco kind of chorus. It's really weird.
It's kind of one of those ones you want to
dance to, but the words are really heavy, so it's
it's it's really strange in that regard, but yeah, it's
kind of a what's Your monster?
Speaker 4 (59:03):
Lived in Texas for twelve thirteen years, lived in Austin,
and so growing up in Arkansas, I wasn't I didn't
know much of the Texas music scene. When you live
in Austin, you are quickly baptized into the Texas music scene.
And that's where I learned of Ray Willy Hubbard.
Speaker 3 (59:18):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 5 (59:20):
You him and your Tennessee jet.
Speaker 4 (59:22):
Yeah, talk about that song for a second.
Speaker 5 (59:24):
The others.
Speaker 3 (59:25):
It was so cool.
Speaker 1 (59:26):
I was playing a festival in Oklahoma and Ray was
on that festival, and TJ came. TJ and I've written
so many songs together. I mean, probably that's.
Speaker 5 (59:35):
What you call Tennessee Jet TJ.
Speaker 3 (59:37):
TJ.
Speaker 1 (59:38):
Yeah, his name's Thomas Thomas James McFarland. And that's not
a secret. I'm not giving anything away.
Speaker 5 (59:44):
But his social Security number is yeah, his social is.
Speaker 3 (59:47):
He lives in.
Speaker 1 (59:50):
He came to see me that day because he was
he lives not far from where that festival was, and
I was like, man, yeah, of course he's going to
get up and do some songs with me.
Speaker 2 (59:58):
And he knows Ray better than me.
Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
I met Ray for the first time twenty plus years ago,
but Ray and I hadn't seen each other reconnected since then.
And he said, hey, let's go say how to Ray.
So he calls Ray up. He said, hey, I'm over
at Jinks and this and that. So we ended up
going over to Ray's bus and hanging out with Ray.
And Ray is the coolest guy in music, just in
a genre, just the coolest, coolest human ever. And he's
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just such a nice and sweet and kind and generous man.
Speaker 5 (01:00:30):
And he said, well, you know, guys, I think.
Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Maybe we ought to.
Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Try to write one and that's all we needed to hear.
So TJ just that day ended and TJ starts a
text threat between me and him and Ray and t
The whole song happened on a text message. TJ goes, hey, guys,
what do you think about this? Bam, there's the first verse.
Ray fires right back with the second verse. I was like,
(01:01:00):
what do you guys think about this? For a chorus,
and then TJ goes, oh, what about this for the
last verse. So it was TJ, Ray, me, TJ and
we really didn't change anything, and it happened just like
it was one of the strangest It just happened, I
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guess because it was supposed to and it was too
cool not to happen. That's how we wrote that song.
We just filmed the video for it two days ago
in Chattanooga, and we had all kinds.
Speaker 5 (01:01:32):
Of people out there.
Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
We had cowboys and freaks and goths and punks and
business people all in the video and just fire breather
and people swinging from stunt people swinging from sandaliers, and
you know, it's it's because it's a song for the fans,
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and we're singing for everybody out there, and it's a
it's a it's a it's a love song to the fans,
hippies and cowboys.
Speaker 5 (01:02:03):
Tour all the way until the end of the year.
Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
You're also doing the acoustic shows with Ward Davis, and
I mean, for the most part, they can just go
to your socials.
Speaker 5 (01:02:11):
You got all the dates up there.
Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Mean it's the easiest thing to say now, just it's
all on the all on the socials.
Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Man.
Speaker 5 (01:02:20):
Everything. I've really enjoyed this. Thanks for giving me an hour.
Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Thank you for the hour. I appreciate it. And uh yeah,
a great way to button up the trip.
Speaker 5 (01:02:30):
I'm when do you go home?
Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
Now? From here? From here?
Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
From here, I'll be on an airplane in a couple
of hours, and so I'm I'm about to go to
about to go to.
Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
The airport and and uh head back to the head
back to the DFW area.
Speaker 5 (01:02:45):
Well, listen, I really enjoy as a person.
Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Thank you likewise, man, I really.
Speaker 5 (01:02:51):
I used to be.
Speaker 4 (01:02:51):
I'm scared of you still maybe like one person still
scared because you know, you know, you could stab me
at anytime, and I'd be like, yep.
Speaker 5 (01:02:56):
I thought so. But other than that, like, I really
like hanging out with Thank you much.
Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
I really, honestly, Bobby, I didn't want to like you.
Speaker 5 (01:03:05):
I'm glad you said it.
Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Really.
Speaker 9 (01:03:07):
Yeah, I didn't want I agree, And now it's kind
of like step brothers, you know, It's like, now it's like,
did we just become friends?
Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
Actually?
Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
So no, thank you so much for your time and
all the best. And I think that our story is
probably parallel with one another, probably far more than either one.
Speaker 5 (01:03:23):
Of us realized. That's so funny.
Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
So yeah, you guys, go at Cody Jink's new album
July twenty fifth, in My Blood, really appreciate the hour.
Have safe trip home, and next time you're in town,
let's do it again and talk about how we can't
believe we like each other.
Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
I know, you know what, we might as well because
these keep getting better.
Speaker 5 (01:03:42):
I'll grow the beard, you wear the card again.
Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
We'll be all, yeah, I'm turning over all kinds of
leaves man.
Speaker 5 (01:03:47):
All right, there he is Cody Jinks.
Speaker 8 (01:03:48):
Everybody, thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production
I went and did a show in Alabama for seven
thousand people the next night.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Nobody knew it was me when I walked down on stage.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
It was the weirdest thing I can ever remember happening
in my life. Because I was already messed up. I
just thought, Oh my god, what am I doing? Who
am I like?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Who is this character?
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Welcome to episode five twenty eight with Cody Jinks. He's
a native of Haltham City in Fort Worth, Texas, and
he still lives in Texas, right yep. So when he
comes around, he's just like coming up to do all
the Nashville stuff.
Speaker 5 (00:39):
Then heading back home knocks it all out.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
That's kind of the dream, Like if this is not
your home, then you don't have to like move somewhere,
because a lot of people they have to. We had
to move here, and I like it here now. But
it's kind of the dream to be Texas and stay
in Texas. I mean, Parker McAll him, just moved back
to Texas living back there?
Speaker 6 (00:55):
Would you do that?
Speaker 5 (00:56):
Like with Arkansas? You just come here like once a month.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
I need to come here, though once a month. I
don't think just stay there. I think this now is home.
But I would move to Faetteville. Probably when did it
feel like home to you? Because it's like just started
to feel like home to me in like the last
one or two years. Yesterday, Yeah, yesterday it did. For
the first house, like dangs feels like home. Uh, probably
whenever Caitlin moved here, because then I had a reason
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to look forward to coming home. Otherwise it was just
like a nice house in a city that I was
at sometimes. But yeah, that's the dream. I like Cody
Jinks a lot. If you see him, you could be
intimidated by him. Covered in tattoos, got the beard, I mean,
did play in thrash metal bands? What's the difference in
thrash and like heavy thrash is like a lot faster
than the drums are, Like.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Oh, I do know the drums.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Thinking about Cody though, he's made his own path, he's
kind of killing it and we spent an hour talking
about that. He has a new album out that is
called In My Blood, just came out on Friday. He
is on his Hippies and Cowboys tour that kicked off
at the end of May, and you can go and
watch him. He's also doing two headlining shows at the
Chelsea at the Cosmo in Vegas, December twelfth and thirteenth.
Here he is Cody Jinks.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Cody, good to see you.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Likewise, thank you, thank you so much for having me
and hosting.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Do you feel like people?
Speaker 4 (02:16):
And I'm going to ask this because my answer to
you is yes, and I feel like the answer to
me is yes. But do you feel like people get
the wrong impression of you before they meet you?
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Because I did, because you've done the show before and
I found you quite delightful, which is not what I
thought I would think about having you.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
Say can I say diddo? You can say whatever you want.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I actually, after the first time we spoke, I've left
going I was like, oh man, I like that guy same.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
And it's not that I didn't expect. I didn't expect
you to like me. And because I didn't expect you
to like me, because you're Cody freaking Jinx right, and
you got a big beard and it's like you're independent
f everything, And I'm like that kind of dude doesn't
know my story, so he's gonna think he doesn't like me,
so I don't like him. That's how I felt the
first time I met you and you left. I remember
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telling everybody like, that's my new best friend, Like I
love that dude.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
So that's my takeaway from the last time.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
I agree. No, I appreciate that. No, I did.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
I liked you and and God and this is so
bad man. And I'm just being completely honest. In this business,
so oftentimes it's not that you want to like, I'm
not even gonna want to lock that person or dislike
that person or whatever.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
But you you're like, oh, I was surprised.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Again.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
I've been doing this twenty five years and it's like, oh, yeah, no,
he was cool. Okay, good, good, awesome.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
It's cool to me when a preconceived notion that gets
very conceived because I'm jaded a bit by the industry
good and bad ways. You meet so many people, and
there's a reason cliches are cliche for the most part,
because things in this world that you think of one
way usually end up being.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
That way, usually not always.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
And No, I found you to be really cerebral. I
found you to be quite generous and kind with your time,
and you just don't look like you'd be It's the
tattoos and the biker beard and your story.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
You know, it's it's funny that you say that, and
I do get that quite a bit. My daughter is
a teenager, and recently, within the last few months, you know,
she said, I've been I've been home.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
We just started our tour, but I've been home a
great deal of time.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
And she's been in dance competition season, and she thought
that I was not enjoying going to these dance competitions
because I stand there like that, Yeah, just just straight yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
And that's that's just that's just me.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
So whenever this guy is just standing there like this,
and she goes, dad, you look mad and pissed off
all the time. And and and I think that the
other young lady she dances with her, he's used. They're
used to me now, but the parents are as well.
But I guess it just looks like I'm always pissed off.
And she goes, you just look mad all the time.
And I was like, Casey, Casey, I was just talking
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to my sister. Case I was like, Meredith, you know
how long it's taken me to look like this, and
how much of my life I've been you know, beat up,
And so you know, I kind of have a and
like you said beat. In this business, you have kind
of a you get jaded in good ways and in
bad ways, and that's it's so it's it's funny that
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you say that, because I just had that conversation with
my almost sixteen year old daughters like.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I'm I may look like that or you know this.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I was like, but I'm watching you do your solo
and I'm trying not to tear up.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I was like, did you just need to hear me
say that? Like does that help?
Speaker 5 (05:40):
And yes it did.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Actually, So I was like, I'm not talking to people
because I'm enjoying watching you perform. You know, it's beautiful
and I love it. And I've been gone on the
road for a lot of my kids lives. So the
baseball games, in the ballet recitals, the parents are all nice,
they're all great people.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
Kids are great.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
You know it.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Just after a while they realized, oh, you can go
talk to him.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
And it may take halfway through the season because I
don't talk. I don't just sit down and talk to people. Dude, say,
you know, if if.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Somebody walks up and says something, I love it.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Intelligence If you walk up and you want to talk
about fishing or Hey, what do you walk up and
ask me what book I'm reading?
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Bro Like, I'll be like, let's go, let's.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Talk, you know, but yeah, it's it's I don't seem
approachable oftentimes, but I enjoy a great conversation. I'm far
better one on one than I am in social scenarios.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
I'm very socially awkward.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Same weird because we both have jobs that are The
job itself is that of an extreme extrovert, the job
on the stage. I would find that people at times
would send me a DM going, hey, I saw you
so and so, and you just weren't that nice. Now,
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I have never not be nice to anybody that appreciates
what I do. If it's right books, if it's do podcasts,
if it's too stand up. I've never, ever, ever not
been nice. And I'd be like, well where was I,
they would say, and I said, why did I talk
to anybody there? Like then it comes, But I think
I have, like, deep down in my guts, the feeling
that nobody really wants me around anyway, so I don't
bother anybody. I'm a wallflower. I could see how someone
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would see me and go oh, but they didn't talk
to me like, say, but go back to what you
said right before that.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I assume deep down nobody wants me there anyway. Part
of my job as an entertainers, as the gester is
I've I've earned my way through life entertaining well.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
The gest are part of me too.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
I'm I have great confidence in that part of me
when I'm there to do that, specifically, when I'm to
be a normal human, I feel like I have three
arms and four eyeballs me too and so, and because
of that, I don't go I'm just not I won't
say not friendly, but I'm not bothersome. It's what it
feels like to me. I'm not gonna be I'm not
gonna bother anybody. So people will go like, man, what
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a dick. I'm like, I know, just say something.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Isn't that funny?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
I'm the same way, and people are like I think
people are. It's it's off putting to people because they assume, yeah,
what a dick, and like and I've been in scenarios.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Worth man, I don't remember anybody saying anything.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
To me at all because I've, like you said, while ago,
I've never I've never not been if some of it
is not being mean to me. I've never not been
nice intentionally to somebody just for the sake of not
being nice or we all have our days and things
of that nature.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
But like, dude, I don't say mean things to people.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
I actually appreciate when people appreciate what I do, because
it's that's what I work so.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Hard to do.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I am the first one to if you walk, I
love any It never bothers.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
Me with people at airports wherever. When I'm eating, Oh no,
I don't want to. I don't want that.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I don't want it. But I never see anything mean.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
I may say fair enough.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I may say, hey, man, I'm trying to have a
meal with my family. I'd love I'd love to give me,
give me thirty minutes, dude, you know, let me have
I'll do that and and I'll go over and what
interrupt his meal later.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
But you know, uh, that's a general role too.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
I'll share with people that, hey, if somebody's creating something,
they like to be appreciated for the creation. However, the
two times that I would not go up to a
celebrity if they're in public is when they're eating or
with their kids.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Kids.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Those are those are universally the two that I say,
don't do it.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Me neither me, neither not.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Everybody can control themselves. And I think that you've probably
run into that too. People like kind of they just
kind of like oh, and they just gravitate to you,
and all of a sudden they're there and they're and
then they're having a moment where they're saying, I don't
want to be that person. I didn't mean to be
the fangirl, and you know, and it's like, well, you know,
and it's and it's happening and and and you know, okay,
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and you listen to them and they thank you for
what you do, and thank them and.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Have a good day. I don't want this to come off.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
And I think both of us are coming from the
same place, like I couldn't appreciate more when someone relates
and enjoys is entertained by something I do. And we
don't have kids yet, but I do eat, and it's
like nobody wants to have somebody come over the top
of them and like spit in their food, but we
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do appreciate when someone comes up. I've never I'll say
it this way, I've never met somebody who creates who
doesn't appreciate somebody coming up to them and saying, hey,
I appreciate what you do. Like every single person I
know that does music or comedy or any kind of art,
they like it when people come up and say, hey,
I'm a fan. The only two times I would say
not to do that is food and kids.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, and the people, like you said, the people that create,
even if they're maybe because oftentimes, you know, people will
walk up and they may get nothing more from me
than a handshake and a thank you very much.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
I really appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
But I'm saying that because thank you very much, because
I really appreciate it. Maybe all I have to say
about it, but I love to hear that. And even
if you just get a thanks man like No, that's
like our guitar player Chris from Walks a Hatchie, that's
where That's where Mike's from.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah, yeah, we.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Were just talking about that and uh and and then
the fort work for for I came to my hometown
for Worth. But our guitar player Chris, he's one of
those guys people obviously, he doesn't say anything. He's been
with us years and years and we've had like four conversations,
and he's one of those guys that he's like thanks man, and.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
That's he's he loves it. You just made his whole day.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
But all you get is thanks man. You know he's
up there talking with his guitar.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
So that's value. Yeah, especially if Mike doesn't talk, not
a whole lot. Yeah, I mean doesn't talk.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, well it still waters man.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
I'm not sure why doesn't talk, because he's a brilliant.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Guy, but yeah, smart dude gotta like pull on it and
be like hey man, so you won.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Those are the best kind of people though. I've found,
like my wife is is like that not I mean,
you know, it's it's I've been captivated by her because
there's so much more going on than I know. And
so that's why I still want to be around hers,
because like I'm still I'm still trying to solve that
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that thing because she's she's very much that kind of character.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Are you are?
Speaker 5 (12:28):
Are you a Capricorn?
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Cancer? You're cancer? Okay?
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Yeah, man, I don't know any of that means.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
You know, I don't either.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I don't, but I know my wife's a Capricorn.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
So I was just throwing darks there got it?
Speaker 5 (12:40):
What Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I know, mention of music.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
What are three things that you are super interested in
and you love No music, no, no music even nothing could
be even music adjacent?
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Yeah, no, no worries.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
No, I got I got the hunting and fishing fishing first,
you know, but I'll categorize those as as the same thing,
the hunting and fish, and that would well, that would
be the second thing. Family has been a super huge
focus for me the last couple of years.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
I've really spent.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Time and focus and and effort and h and trying
to be a better husband and father, hunting and fishing
after that, and I think, I think thirdly, you know,
I'm I'm taking better care of myself mentally and spiritually
and physically as well. That's that's become a big focus
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for me. I spent a lot of my life in
a haze, and so I'm able to to take care
of I have more bandwidth now and so I'm able
to to take care of everything better, including myself.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
And so I think my family and.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Taking care of myself being getting out into nature, you know,
getting a rod and reel and you know, that's that's
that's a really spiritual thing for me, and outdoors people get.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
That, what is your favorite kind of fishing?
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I grew up bass fishing. I grew up in a
john boat on stock tanks, and I remember my dad
got his first bass boat. We got a seventy nine
Skeeter whenever I was fifteen, and an old tryhole, tryhole skeeter,
and that's when we started fishing big water. We got
into striper fishing, and uh that all everything spawned from
bass fishing, though, but I I fish all the.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Time still still.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
If I'm at home, I'll fish at least twice a week.
But I'll fish for everything I usually I love. Well,
I was just cat. I was cat fishing with my
buddy before I got here, before I left on this trip,
and then I was fishing with my I was crappie
fishing with my dad, and so I planned on doing
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some bass fish when I get home.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
My stepdad was a striper guide.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Oh gosh, yeah, man.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
To me the best, and I spent all my kid
life in the woods or on the water. I know
you're watching this and judging me of I'm a nice
card again that I wear now, But I'm just a
redneck from Arkansas. My stepdad though, was a striper guide
after he worked at the mill, so on the weekends
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in the evenings he was a striper guide, and then
when he retired, he continued to be a striper guide.
To me, that is the most fun because those are
the biggest. But for my mom died and we still
have it. I think she got a forty two pound striper.
That's it's huge and he and it's bigger than any
that my stepdad had caught. And he has like seven
or eight that are that he had mounted just for
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business purposes that were like in the thirties. Yeah, my
mom had a forty two pound striper. So striper fishing
was my favorite. Now when you would get the highbrid.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
I don't know anybody that's ever caught a forty two
I know guides that don't have.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
I mean I know a guide my step who doesn't
have a for it. Yeah, my mom freaking caught it
before she died.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
My uh.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
And and so we do a bunch of hybrid Did
you ever catch shad?
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
You know, no, we used them, but we would pay
for a guy to give us the shad.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
So I had to because we would catch our own
shad and then keep us throwing the net yep and
and keep onlightbl they'd only stayed alive for twelve hours. Sure,
so there, but so you'd see him flicker on the
top and I'd have to drive the boat sometimes before
school to catch the shad.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
It's hardcore.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
It's hardcore, especially when you're like twelve and he's on
the front of the boat with the net that throw
net that you it's hard to throw because that's spread perfectly,
sink down, you pull it back up and catch the shad.
He's going to use those throughout the day. And but
when you're twe A many times I dumped on the water.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
You know what's.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Funny that you say that is because I'm just having
my dad being in the front of the boat on
the flipping deck saying all right, boy, back up just.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
A little bit and in him, you know, because I.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Just want yeah exactly, You're like, there was no moderation
for us and that young in a boat.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
It's funny.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
I just had that that menage that mental image.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Uh that So we did one and then hybrids were
fun because white bass dripper they fight hard.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Even not as big.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Absolutely, the white bass kind of sucked a lot of
a lot of bass fishing, which is the you know,
black bass, depending on a large mouth. But we lived
near a ramp, and when the trout truck would drive by,
and I went to school. I graduated in ninety eight,
so in probably like ninety six, we'd see the trout
truck drive by. That would stock and our school was
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just like, yeah, we understand, just leave whenever you see
a drive back.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
I used to skip school to go fishing.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Not skip, it wasn't skipped. The school would know. The
school would go, oh, you guys all the trout truck
just can your car and go.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
So we would go.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
And then as soon as they would dump, just ripping
off yep. So that and then the best eating.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
Was crappy, for sure.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Absolutely crappy is the best.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
It's the best eating.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Absolutely crappy is the best for eating fish. The trout
in Texas, see, you guys were a little you guys
could get more. The trout would stay longer after they
were dumped, probably because y'all's waters were a little cooler
than ours, because very cold right by the damn yeah yeah,
whenever they drop in the I guess the DFW experiences.
They'll stay alive for a little while and they'll drop
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them in the wintertime or the fall. But we used
to go up to the White My dad and I
used to go to the White River up in Arkansas,
and that's where we'd go trout fishing up there, and
so yeah, there was it was good trout fishing up there.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
So I never did this as a kid. But did
you ever fly fish?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
No?
Speaker 7 (18:37):
No.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
My dad got into it after I was out of
the house, and he said that he loved a brim fish.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
We called him perch perch, yeah, we called him perch jerkin. Yeah,
we'd go do the perch jerkin.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Yeah. And he learned.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
He taught hisself how to fly fish. And I have
never learned it. And I know to me the people
that do it and have dedicated their self to the
art of it.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Have you done no? Now?
Speaker 4 (19:01):
I Johnny Morris, best pro shop owner, invited us to
come up to his property once and he let us
go on what he calls his his honey hole and
it was with fly rods. Yeah, and didn't know how
to do it. We were still yanking him out like crazy.
But that's my only experience. But I didn't grow up
around that. I wondered if you did, though, Like, well,
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first of all Zepko as a kid, yeah, and the
thirty three Yeah, and then it just, you know, slowly
elevated itself.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
But I never I don't think I I would have
the patience or.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
The because I feel like fly fishing is almost like
you were talking about, it's almost a meditation of sorts
because you have to focus on the fly, putting, creating
the fly, using the fly, so all of that.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
I think the whole process is beautiful.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I would It's kind of like I tried playing golf
and I'm no good at it, but I tried it
and I gained an.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
Appreciation for it that I didn't have before.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
I'm not fly fishing, but I.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Love all the.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Process of it, like you said, preparing the flies.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
And then I think that fly fishermen are going out
there and working on just their technique and having the
mental thing going on there. I think that's probably as much,
I'm guessing, as much to do with it as anything.
I don't know, I could be wrong, but I just
I think it's a it's a focus thing. It's a
just standing there and making sure your swing is correct.
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It's you know, doing your scales on a guitar on it.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 4 (20:43):
Wow, and we're back on the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
When you talk about reading books, what kind of books
do you like to read?
Speaker 3 (20:50):
I read a.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
Little bit of everything.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Right now. I went back and I'm reading my buddy.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
Tennessee Yet gave me East of Eden. Probably give a
buddy named Tennessee Jet.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Yeah. What's Tennessee Jet do? Because he sounds like he's
making moonshine.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
He's a songwriter, buddy of okay, all right?
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
And he might be making a boo shout.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
But he gave me a copy of East of Eden
years ago, and I'm finally getting through it, and I
think I've found the most horrible villain I've ever read
about in any book in East of Eating. Her name
is Kathy. She's like the most vile thing I have
ever read about. I'm reading that one right now.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Is that true?
Speaker 3 (21:33):
The story?
Speaker 5 (21:35):
It's a fiction story.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yeah, it's a Steinbeck book and it's a classic. I'm revisiting.
So I do fun stuff with my wife and I
read a whole bunch both of us, and so she's
usually she reads a bunch of different stuff than I do,
but we kind of trade back and forth, and I've
usually got a physical book going and an audible book going.
I don't listen to as much radio anymore, listen to
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my stories, my programs.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
The problem with Audible and reading. I tried to do
the same book, reading it and listening to it. Yeah,
I just simultaneously or differently, well at different times. So
in my car, I would try to listen to the
book and then if I was back home, I read it.
The problem is I wish they would tell you page
turn and Audible what page number it was on, because
then I can't find it in the book, and if
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I do two books and once again my stories mixed up.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
I've had that problem.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
I was reading a book recently and there was a
part in the book that I flagged on Audible, and
then I had the physical copy of the book and
it to me forever to find it because I was
going to like circle littery.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Yeah, that's I just like would like to use that
time to continue, Yeah, chasing the story, which I'm totally into,
or if it's a nonfiction book. But I can't do
I can't do two books because my stories mix up
in my head. And then if I try to do
one listening and one read but the same book, I
can't ever catch up. I can't find the spot O.
There are bigger problems in the world, but not many.
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That's like top three problems in the world, probably rank
third hunger, you know it, war, Yeah, and three audible
to book pay your stories crossed.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Exactly And I feel you, man, No, it's it's it's
a it's a it's a good problem to have in it.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
What kind of teenager were you?
Speaker 3 (23:16):
I was probably weird, weird.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
Or problematic or both.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I walked right up to the edge of going to
jail now.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I mean I went to jail once for stealing street
signs and it was dumb. I was sixteen with some
of my buddies. But I was mischievous. I wasn't bad.
I was mischievous and it was anything for a laugh.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Everything was a good time. So it was it was.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
I was quiet at home, and I'm still quiet at home.
But when I was because my dad was very, very strict.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
That was a hard dude.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
When we were home, when I was a kid, so
it was kind of like what kind of moods? Dad
and everybody else was really quiet. So my mouth got
me into a lot of trouble at school because everything
that I wasn't.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Able to do it.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
I was like what to school?
Speaker 1 (24:08):
And I got in trouble for you know, I skipped
class a lot, but the teachers loved me, so it
was kind of like, mister Jenks, go back to wherever
you're supposed to be and quit disrupting my class.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
It was that kind of thing. It was. I played sports.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
I was I was a below average athlete, but I
played sports all through high school. I worked from the
time I was a freshman all the way through high school.
And so if I wasn't working or playing sports, I
was at home playing guitar.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
I didn't go to parties. I wasn't a part of
that group.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
Where'd you get the guitar?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I picked my dad's up when I was fifteen.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
Where'd he get the guitar?
Speaker 1 (24:52):
My dad bought a nineteen eighty one Takamini right after
he and my mom had me, and it was a
lost TAKAMENI was one of the Eel three forty nine's
the name looked like the Martin name, and you'll hear
people talk about the lawsuit talkomenis and that's those. So
Dad bought one of those, and I grew up around it,
but didn't pick it up until I was fifteen, and
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then I wouldn't put it down. And so when I
was sixteen, Mom and dad bought me a Fender Stratocaster,
the Squire series, and we were off to the races.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
Because your dad was, as you described him, either quiet,
I don't know if he was unpredictable.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
My dad was unpredictable.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
We found out what bipolar was in nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
So prior to that, he was just unpredictable.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
Yeah, my mom was bipolar two and an addict.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
So definitely similar vibe where everything was kind of on
our backs because we did we didn't trust it enough
to be on hers. Yes, if he's playing guitar and
then you start playing guitar, was a bit of you
playing guitar to I won't say b like, but to
show him, hey, like, pay attention to me.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
I'm doing what you like to do.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
No, Because I remember him, I remember him.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Being I'd be like, hey, Dad, check this out.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
And he always had so much on his mind, you know,
and I just it was kind of like, yeah, that's
that's cool, you know. And it wasn't that I wanted
him to be proud of me for it. Now, after
I got older and I was started making a living
in the bars and Dad really softened up. You know,
Dad'll tell you. You know, he's living both of our dreams.
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You know, Dad wanted to do this. That's what Dad
wanted to do. You know, didn't work out in his
life for that, and it did for me. And so yeah,
you know, I kind of feel like I carried the
torch that seed was planted, but it wasn't ever he
expected that whatever me and my sister did. Mom and
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Dad supported it. You know, it wasn't didn't have to
be music. But he loves it.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
He's still alive, he is, Yeah, he is.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Mom and Dad fortunately are both still around him.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Did you feel like playing the guitar later on brought
you guys closer? Did he give you a conduit to
actually talk and like open up it all?
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Phishing was our first and really one of our only
conduits when I was a kid. That's really why I
loved fishing with my dad because that's we didn't really talk.
And that was the funny thing. We would sit in
the boat for hours and hours and hours and talk
a little.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Bit and Dad.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Dad and I always had had a good relationship. I
have always had a good relationship. We've always been able
to talk despite him being a He's a very loving
man in spite of being very difficult and very hard
and not understanding what mental illness is.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
And like I said, until the nineties.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
And the guitar has really I wrote a song on
the new record, you know, and I'm talking kind of
about that top thing about Dad used to sing the
cats and the cradles when I was a kid, and
now we're living that, and so I make mention of that.
And now I'm on the road working and providing for
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a family and have been for a long long time
and trying to to balance, you know, son, when you
coming home soon? You know, Dad, I don't know when.
So you know, we're kind of living that. You know,
they're getting older, and.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
So it's it's why I don't to quite as much anymore.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
My children are getting older, our parents are getting older,
and our band, most of our band is all this
hell Man, hot Rod are still player.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
He just jumped back on the road. He just lost
his mom. So our band is entering that phase of.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Our life, you know.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
So it's that's a kind of a kind of a
weird place to be. But to answer your question, Dad
just he loves what I do. He still loves it.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
To just expand on that for those lest things.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
So Cat Stevens had Cats in the Cradle and the Silverspoon,
the little the whole song is really about the dad
being gone doing his thing and the kids like where. Yeah,
like I don't get to see you know. It's that vibe. Yes,
And you say you live in that now, but I
feel like you're from what I've learned from you, like
you're trying not to live that as much now.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Yeah, we had we hit the brakes Man, We really did.
I had to for my mental health. You know. I
know that the band is enjoyed spending time with their family,
their families respectively, and it's it's important we stayed gone
for a very very long time.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Well when you say stay gone, because here, even if
I'm torny stand up, I'm doing maybe Thursday night, but
Friday night, Saturday night, I'm back Sunday, I gotta feeling
that ain't what you're doing or wasn't what you were doing?
Speaker 3 (29:41):
No for man.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
For thirteen years from seven to twenty twenty, when COVID hit,
I was gone nine to ten months a year gone gone,
I would come home. I would be gone three to
four weeks, come home for one or come home for
two on a long one't be gone three to four weeks,
come home for one or two weeks. So yeah, it
worked out to where, you know, some of those years
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we were playing over two hundred shows a year, or
I was acoustic in full band, and there wasn't coming
home for weeks at a time.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
This may seem like an odd question, and it might
be stupid, but did it ever feel less comfortable to
be at home?
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Yeah, freak.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
That's why I stayed gone a lot.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
That's why I drank so much, And that's why me
and my kids are making up for not making up,
but are spending more time together now. Because I didn't
talk to my kids a lot because it was too
painful whenever I was on the road, you know, So
when they were young, you know, uh, it was just
you know, dad was gone and sometimes you didn't hear
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from him for days at a time, and I was
just on the road and sad and drunk and playing
shows and and COVID hit and that was a forced
reality check. And so they got to know like the
real me at home twenty four to seven for over
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a year and started making some changes during that time.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
You know, I was like, man, I have just been
a real.
Speaker 7 (31:10):
You can say, otherfucker, yeah, you know, and I still am,
but you know, it's uh, it's it's gotten better.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
So the focuses have changed, Like I said, well go
it's been you know, family, family has has uh. I Man,
I did a lot of damage. I did a lot
of damage and so we're we're working on it.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
The kids are working on.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
It too, because they've had to get used to two
different guys because I'm like how everybody perceived me to
be for all those years. I was that guy at
home too, like it that wasn't an act, man, I
was a fucking asshole.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
What was the goal just at I was mad at
the world, dude, I'm just what was the goal to
fucking punish the world?
Speaker 4 (31:57):
I don't know, at let's do twenty five year old Cody,
What's what was the life goal, sing.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
About how pissed I was, sing about how eft up
everything was, you know, I mean, in your.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
A perfect scenario, where was the apex of your career?
Speaker 5 (32:16):
What was the biggest thing? What was the goal there?
Speaker 4 (32:19):
Did you want to do play on top of the moon,
just stadiums? Did you want to make a living?
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Just make a living?
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Really?
Speaker 1 (32:25):
I never I never wanted to be a whatever kind
of band, stadium band I wanted to.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
It was more important to me to go out as
an artist.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
That was like, oh God, that hurt, Like as an
artist's artist, as somebody that it was like you look
at somebody that maybe you wouldn't have had I don't know, Well,
you wouldn't have had any You wouldn't have had a
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Metallica or anybody else without Sabbath, you know, like you
might not have had Shanaia Twain without Reebash and I,
you know, blew the doors off everybody. You wouldn't have had,
you know, maybe George Straight without Meurle or Lefty Frizell
and look what George has done.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
So being an artist like, but those artists still have
their favorites.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
And knowing that I made a mark was more important
to me than the size of where I played.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
Did you ever? Did you ever?
Speaker 4 (33:29):
When did you start writing songs that you felt were
more personal in music than you actually would ever share
with anybody in real life.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
My junior year I was really when I think I
started writing. Well.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
I had been dabbling in writing since I had been
like seven years old, and I remember writing metal songs
when I was thirteen, fourteen, fifteen years old, and some
of them were good stuff, and then we're really horrible,
I would imagine. But I think really, when I was
probably sixteen seventeen eighteen, I started kind of and I
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gained the confidence from a teacher that I had. I'll
tell this story yesterday about a teacher that I had
my junior year, my English teacher. She, you know, she
was the first person to ever tell me you're a
great writer.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
And I was like, huh hmmm, I don't think.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Thanks, I don't.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
I don't even know how to take that. You know,
I've never been great at anything. I've been pretty good
at some stuff, you know, But I don't know.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
Maybe I can do this, I don't know. Who knows.
Speaker 6 (34:34):
The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the
Bobby Cast did.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
You and were you able to use music as a
bit of a cape or superhero costume and it was
the truth, but you were able to use that as
a way to say it when you wouldn't say otherwise.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Yeah, absolutely, under because you can say anything through music.
Nobody wants to hear your opinions if you want to
get off politically or on a spiritual thing or whatever.
You know, people will listen to your songs all day.
They do not want to hear you talk about it.
When you're a songwriter, and that's your job. Yeah, it's
you can say anything you want a song, you know so.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
And I learned that very quick as a guy who
and I'm gonna throw a big blanket over this, who
did it all yourself? Independently? And I know there's a
lot of nuance to that, and you didn't do it.
Nobody does it all themselves. But sure you understand what
I'm saying for the.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
Sake of that whenever.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
You started to grow, because I know what it's like
to go at it really hard for a long time
and have almost no traction. And I my first I
built my own syndication company with my own money that
I didn't have that I didn't have, and then all
of a sudden, I'm creating traction and it's like, Wow,
this guy's kind of an overnight success. And I'm like,
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you have no idea, Like I've been killing myself for
fifteen freaking years.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
Your story is a bit different. But you did do
it yourself.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
A lot of parallels though, and when you start catching on.
Is that weird because you did it a long time
and you were and you were doing wonderfully as compared
to what you wanted to do with your life. But
there was a time where you started to pierce the
consciousness of a casual country music fan.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
Was that a weird time?
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (36:28):
And it happened when I was thirty seven, and.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
I feel like you weren't doing anything different too. I
think that's what was weird about it.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
I remember being thirty seven years old and thinking, I
guess I've air quotes made it when I started really
gaining traction, And then also remember thinking, huh, wow, feeling
different to me, you know, And so yeah, it is.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
It is weird.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
And did you really have to create the art differently
or did you even think should I create the art?
Speaker 2 (37:01):
I got impressed, I got depressed.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Man, I went into a really deep depression from about
thirty seven thirty eight, thirty nine.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
I was on those seventeen eighteen or nineteen, and I
was on.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
The road really really, really hard all three of those years,
and I was not taking care of myself.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
I was I was really drinking too much, and.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Well I had impostors syndrome and was and went through
an identity crisis. I remember being on a tour with
Jamie Johnson and shaved my beard off. I got really drunk,
shaved my beard off because I hadn't seen what I
looked like. So what's the best thing to do? Shave
your beard off? Pissed drunk at three o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 5 (37:42):
Obviously, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
And then my wife walked in and I'd been off
the road, and she's like, what are you doing. I
was like, I shaved my beard off. She's like, wow,
I want to see what it look like. She goes,
what do you think? I go, I don't like it.
And I grew my beard. But I went and did
a show in Alabama for seven thousand people the next
night or two nights later, something like that.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Nobody knew it was me when I walked.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Out on stage.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
It was the weirdest thing I can ever remember happening
in my life because I was already messed up and
then I just walked out.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
On stage and nobody knew who I was.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
It was almost like like the dream where you don't
have pants on and the like, that's as close to
that real life situation.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
I just thought, Oh my god, what am I doing?
Who am I?
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Like?
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Who is this fucking character that I've created? Like I
don't even know who I am? You know, Like I've
been drunk my entire adult life. I've been on the
road continually, you know, and like I had just start
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figuring some stuff out. Man. It's so yeah, COVID hit
forced time home, man, and really a lot of introspection
at that. And then last couple of years, I hadn't
been drinking so at all. No, not at all, well,
no nothing, not a drop man. So you know, just
just taking care of clearing out some bandwidth, you know,
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trying to grow up, and our parents are getting older.
We lost my father in law last August, so uh,
you know, we're focusing on my wife's side of family
and my side of the family a little bit more
and raising the kids up and.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
Just not touring as much.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
Did you have concerns that if you didn't drink you
wouldn't be the same.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
It was a weird thing because when I was a kid,
I remember watching an interview with George Jones and here,
and I remember him talking about when he quit drinking,
he goes, I didn't think I could walk on stage
without it. I had to learn how to do everything over.
I took my first sober plane ride when I was
forty three. I did everything. I did everything over it.
I had to learn how to walk again. I had
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to learn how to talk again. I had to learn
how to do everything I'd learned to write.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
At the height of your drinking, what we're drinking and
how much to day.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
The height of my drinking, I was drinking a bottle
of whiskey and a twelve pack of beer golly every day.
Speaker 5 (40:02):
Could you still get drunk?
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Yeah? Oh yeah, I'd be hammered.
Speaker 5 (40:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
At what point of the day i'd be hammered by?
I'd be hammered by five or six.
Speaker 5 (40:13):
Were you completely functioning? Yes? Functional?
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (40:17):
Did it feel like if you weren't drunk you wouldn't
be as functional? Yes? Because that was.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
That's what addicts do though, Yeah, that's that, that's the
attic thing. That's like, No, I didn't know if I
could do without it, and then you know it's like, well,
doing with it is really starting to screw things up, dude.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
You know, did you have with draws when you start drinking?
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Yeah, night sweats and about for how long.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
I had night mayors And I really had really bad
sweats for the first week, and then night mayores went
on for a couple of weeks, and then I started
sleeping really well.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
And you'll hear you'll hear addicts.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Talk about that, like you'll as we like, you're sleeping better,
and you'll know when somebody's kind of turned that corner,
because you know, that's something that starts happening. Your natural
your chemicals start to rebalance.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
My So I tricked with my mom and rehab a
few times, and I don't know, my dad a biological
day left when I was five six, and my mom
was an attic and from a very small rural town.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
So it was meth.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
It was it was it was all alcohol is weird.
It was everything, but the meth. That's that was the
big getter. Yeah, and then opioids because they were so
easy to get and so cheap to get, so and
then it would turn into mouthwash. Right, it was anything
with alcohol, sure, So multiple times I would check my
mom in, but she could easily check herself out because
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it wasn't a hold, and she would constantly check herself out,
and I would be upset and I wouldn't understand. I
really wouldn't understand, and she ended up dying. She was
forty six years old. She had me when she was sixteen,
so uh, not the easiest life obviously, and so what
I remember she died, and I remember being so angry
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at her all the time. And I had some issues
happened to me PTSD wise where I got PTSD wise,
where I got jumped at work, I got pistol whipped
at a event once I was doing I'm a house
broken into So all this stuff had happened, and the
doctor said, hey, I wasn't sleeping at all, and we
tried all these things. I'm so scared to be an addict.
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I'm scared to take anything because of that history with
my mom and not knowing my dad, and so I'm
I don't like to take medicine much less take anything
that will possibly hook me. Right, I feel the addict
in me and other things. It doesn't matter what I do.
Speaker 5 (42:39):
I feel it.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
So we went for like a year a week experimental
with things, and finally he was like, hey, look you're
gonna be You're getting sick because you're not sleeping. Because
I wasn't sleeping at all, and so I took a
sleeping pill and I took it for like two or
three months, but I found myself tethered to it, and
I'm hyper aware of it. And I try not to
say addicted, because I've seen real addiction and I don't
think I was addicted, but I was.
Speaker 5 (43:00):
I was very dependent.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
And I just stopped taking it one day and I
had some minor withdraws and like my eyes were black,
not physically, but like I would open them and it
was still black, and I would sweat and it was
very minor. And I remember going through that small, small withdraws,
and it gave me the greatest understanding, except I had
no idea of what my mom went through because her
was a thousand times worse. And it was the only
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time in my life that I or it was the
first time that I actually went.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
I get why she couldn't quit because it had to
be hell for her who was basically addicted to anything
and everything. And my tiny dependence on sleeping pills and
the tiny withdraw that I had hurt me physically so
bad that I related to my mom more in that
situation because I didn't really have a real relationship with
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her than any other time while.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
She was alive. Yeah. Wow, Yeah, And.
Speaker 4 (43:53):
That's why I ask about that with the withdraws. If
that's if physically you know it hurt you after that
long of drinking that significant.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Yeah, that's no, that's incredible. That's that you that you
that you felt that.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
And I'm proud and I love that I felt it, even.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Though I was gonna say, man, I'm kind of.
Speaker 4 (44:10):
Glad you went through me too, Yeah, because I think
it would have just been misplaced anger instead. Now it's
a more of an empathetic understanding.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
Empathy is the word.
Speaker 4 (44:20):
It's a bit of perspective and perspective. We never get
perspective because we want it. No, I mean, that's a
tool that we get because we didn't want to have
to earn it.
Speaker 5 (44:27):
But once you have it, it's so valuable. We don't
want to have We only get perspective. It's crap happening.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
That's real life stuff, man, that is that is real stuff.
Speaker 8 (44:35):
Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor,
and we're back on the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 5 (44:50):
You ever talked to artists about that?
Speaker 4 (44:51):
New artists about role all the time, all the time,
Because I want to hear from somebody and I don't
I'll tell you a story.
Speaker 3 (44:59):
I want it. I don't want to go to it.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
By the way, if I talk to somebody about marriage,
I want to talk to somebody who's been through some crap.
Oh yeah, like my wife and I went to there.
But I want to go to somebody wh's been married,
been through some crap.
Speaker 5 (45:08):
I don't want.
Speaker 4 (45:08):
I didn't want to go to a preacher but who's
never had an issue or a priest who's never been married,
because I want to hear how hard it is and
what you went through and lead the artists come to
you for the same.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
Absolutely, absolutely tell me a sorry.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
I'll tell you two.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
I'll tell you two young guys.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
That one is Jake Worthington.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
We played the Grand Ole Offre together a few months
ago and his little.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
Baby, Whitley, his little baby girl, Whitley was.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
And his wife were in the dressing room, and it
meant the world to be the day. And I had
my wife and kids with me and we went to
their dressing room and said how to his family, and
he called me soon there after he said, I want
you to know how much that meant. You know to
me and my wife, it can be done in this business.
Speaker 5 (45:50):
You know, to see you and.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
Your grown kids and my wife and I've been together
twenty eight years and that it can be done.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
Said, absolutely, it can be.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Done, buddy, I said, it takes a lot of work.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
And your wife's going to go through as much as
you do because you're going through it. So remember that,
you know, just just and so things like that that
happened a few months ago. Played a festal with Bailey'
Zimmerman the other day. He's one of those guys that
I met him. I was like, I could not help
but like the guy same and he has a ball
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of energy.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
He's twenty five years old. He's a young man.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
And I got to spend about fifteen or twenty.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Minutes with him, which was mostly Bailey.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Talking about his his ride up, his rocket ship up,
you know, and he's he's got a really great foundation morally.
And at the end of the conversation, you know, I guess,
just being one of the older guys, now, I was like, dude,
you know, I said, you know, he's got faith in
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the Lord. I said, just keep putting God first, man,
I said, I said, do that and stay true to yourself.
And I was like, I'm gonna be pulling for him, man,
you know, because that guy's having everything thrown at him,
so you know, to see somebody on his end of it.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
And that meteoric thing.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
You know, what a ride, what a case of whiplash
you must have from that, you know, I am going
to pull for him. I like the guy, you know,
put the Lord first. Keep doing that, young man. And
then you know, Jake On like, hey man, newly married,
new kid, it can be done.
Speaker 5 (47:35):
Yeah, so it's it's good.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
I guess I kind of wanted to be one of
the guys that could look at the younger guys and say,
you know, it's might not be the exact right way
to do it, but.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
You're trying.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
You know, I'm trying, and I'm glad we get to
talk about things like that.
Speaker 4 (47:55):
Bailey's interesting because Bailey and I have similar backgrounds, and
when Bailey came to town. You're right, he has been
on a rocket at times and wo but can be
unfair to the kid because he knew how to sing.
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But he did know how to sing, and I think
someone like you would know. You grind it out night
after night after night. You learn how to sing regardless
of the situation. If you're feeling good, you're feeling bad,
if you're sleepy, if you're drunk, if you had a
bad day, wivee's Matt, you have to learn how to
do it. He's a kid on massive stages, does not
know how to sing. Yet he knows how to sing,
but he doesn't know how to He didn't know. You
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couldn't run it. You couldn't go running back and forth
on like the cat walked out whatever that thing is called,
and have breath. So so people have videos of I'm
like sucking and I'm like, dude, you know, the difference
is that everybody else they got to come up smaller
to bigger.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
That's the record labels. I don't you know.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
I say this all the time, and I've said it
recently interview.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
I don't man the artists or the artists, the record
labels or the record labels. That's I never dog artists, man,
I never, there's I don't care if I like your
music or not. That's things like that are the fault
of the record company.
Speaker 5 (49:10):
Yeah, the people looking out for him, for sure.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
You know. And that's something that I tell people a lot.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
I learned how to play for five people, man, not
five hundred, not five thousand. I learned how to play
in front on a Tuesday night in a smoky ass barroom,
trying to keep If you can keep five people interested
on a Tuesday night in a codunk bar for four hours,
you can keep fifty thousand people interested for ninety minutes,
(49:37):
you know. And that's in what a crash course in
learning all that that young man has had.
Speaker 5 (49:43):
Were you ever resemful that people wanted to talk to
you now.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
Like young artists, no, like or just anybody.
Speaker 5 (49:51):
Let's just use me as an example.
Speaker 4 (49:52):
Yeah, because I would have known about you had your
music not started to come to me through friends. Yeah,
And they would have known about you had to not
started to road to a place that was larger than
what and excuse the term of your cult following was
and so at times I'll get a request to do
a big interview or something, and I'm like, you only
want to talk to me, Like I'm popping off right now
(50:12):
for a specific reason. You didn't want to talk to
me when things weren't and now I have this weird resembment.
But I'm like, why am I resemful? Like I've been
working hard to get people to want to Did you
ever have that time where you're like, of course, now
people want to talk to me, why they want to
talk to me three years ago?
Speaker 2 (50:23):
No, I had such a bad attitude for so long.
Speaker 5 (50:28):
I didn't, dude.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
I went through like a five year period where I
didn't really do any interviews, like not maybe one or two,
just because I felt like it. There's a vast, a
vast section of my career that there's just no interviews. Man,
I just didn't do them because I didn't want to.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
I didn't I didn't want I was in a bad mood.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
I guess I was always on the road, so anytime
off the road, when I was on the road, I
didn't want to do interviews because I was just tired
of being on the road all the time, and then
I'd get off the road and it's like, I don't
want to do them at home. I'm at home, so
I just I didn't. I was like, have him come
to a show, and right about that, you know. But
now it's so much more a part of my job
(51:16):
because we're twouring thirty five to fifty dates a year
now and that's it. And so I have the bandwidth
for it now and.
Speaker 5 (51:27):
The patience for it, and.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Just things are better in my own head now, and
I do like to I do enjoy sitting down like
this and talking shop and things of that nature. Yeah,
just things change, you know, older, and I'm yeah, probably
a little bit softer of a human, little more softer
(51:51):
of a human than.
Speaker 5 (51:52):
I used to be. Think COVID force that, Yeah, a
lot of it did.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
It was really weird, as bad as it was, and
I would never hope wish for it again. Like I said,
you know, it really started the process where I started
to get to know myself and get to know my
family better.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
And but here's here's a funny thing.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
When COVID hit, we'd been on the road, on the road,
on the road, on the road. We panicked, like everybody
else did, and there was a lot of bands that
lost everything, like people stopped getting paid, crew stopped.
Speaker 5 (52:23):
Getting paid, everybody.
Speaker 1 (52:26):
Honestly, when COVID hit, we got about two months in
and nobody band, crew, nobody missed a paycheck. We knew
we were gonna be fine. I didn't realize how much
money we had in the bank.
Speaker 5 (52:42):
I had no dude.
Speaker 1 (52:44):
It sounds funny to say this, and it's not like
it was ten million dollars in the bank or whatever.
It wasn't, but I had no idea how much money
we did have in the bank, and that like, we
were fine and nobody missed a paycheck, and then coming
out on the other side, it was like, we don't
have like we don't have to work as much.
Speaker 5 (53:03):
We don't have we work.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
As hard always we always work hard, but we don't
have to work as much. And I might not to
learn that lesson as quickly without COVID.
Speaker 5 (53:17):
Who are your favorite for artists? Mount Rushmore All Time.
Speaker 1 (53:23):
Answered a similar question to this recently, and I had
kind of two answers. If you had to put your if, like,
if we're just looking at the founding fathers, you know,
obviously I think you'd have to put Jimmy Rogers, Hank Williams,
Lefty Frizelle, and then just because he's the best that
God ever created, Merle Haggard. But I'm just gonna say
(53:49):
that as as country music historian Cody.
Speaker 2 (53:54):
My personal favorite. What did I say?
Speaker 1 (53:58):
I said it would oh, h Merle Haggard, Johnny Cash,
Willie Nelson, and George Strait.
Speaker 4 (54:06):
Merle Haggard, Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, George Straight. Hey, you
got two of the highwaymen there.
Speaker 3 (54:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (54:12):
How about ever see that show?
Speaker 2 (54:13):
Yeah, you know, one of the funniest things ever.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
I did a show with Chris Christopherson no way, Yeah,
six or seven years ago, and we're standing in the
green room and Chris and Lisa, his wife, were so
cool and so gracious with their time, and Chris was
just in there drinking beer with everybody, and my dad
walks up to Chris Krosto. My mother's I've never seen
(54:37):
my mother swoon. My mother swooned when Chris Christofferson walked
in the door. And my dad walks up to Chris
Christopherson and goes, hey, Chris, how about you call?
Speaker 3 (54:51):
Will you up and me and you and Willie get
the highway back together.
Speaker 9 (54:59):
And it's one of the only times in my career
I really remember looking over and goes, oh shit, and
Chris looks over, and I don't know if Chris heard him.
Speaker 3 (55:12):
Ride or didn't hear him ride or whatever, but it
just was just because.
Speaker 5 (55:19):
That's the perfect response to that.
Speaker 1 (55:20):
Yeah, I don't even know if he heard him misunderstand
because Chris was like have deaf at the time, anyone almost.
Speaker 5 (55:26):
It was funny.
Speaker 4 (55:27):
That is funny that guy Rhodes scholar. Yeah, veteran, like
and not just a veteran, but like legit. Yes, yes,
great actor, Yeah great, I mean he wrote me and
Bobby McGhee, Yeah, aside from other songs. But he really
doesn't really get the credit for that because Jannah Shchoplin,
(55:48):
you know, is the one who made that song famous.
Speaker 5 (55:51):
Like he did it, he did it all.
Speaker 3 (55:53):
Yeah, Sunday Morning coming Down.
Speaker 4 (55:55):
I mean, like, I don't know if there's a more
multi dimensional It was also great looking too. It's like
it's just weird that he had everything God and not
that he didn't earn everything.
Speaker 1 (56:04):
I'm not joking, man, Like he was eighty three whenever
we did a show with him years ago.
Speaker 2 (56:11):
And like the dude looked good then.
Speaker 5 (56:15):
Yeah he was.
Speaker 3 (56:17):
Yeah, he was. He was the whole package.
Speaker 2 (56:20):
Just brilliant, handsome, funny.
Speaker 3 (56:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (56:25):
I didn't know that part of him, you know, like
just I don't know any part of him.
Speaker 2 (56:28):
Quick quit man, you know, just man.
Speaker 4 (56:32):
Just yeah, was in a Starsborn, right, Mike, Yeah, the
second that not the very very first one, but the
second one was Barbara Barbara.
Speaker 5 (56:39):
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3 (56:40):
He did it all.
Speaker 5 (56:41):
Yeah, I mean he was Jennifer Lopez.
Speaker 3 (56:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (56:43):
Hey, he walked so she could run. That's what I say.
Speaker 3 (56:47):
He was. He was. He was awesome.
Speaker 1 (56:48):
He was awesome, and uh, it was so nice being
able to It was me and him and Ward Davis
on that Bill and Ward got out and did Bobby
McGee with him.
Speaker 3 (56:57):
That's really that was.
Speaker 1 (56:59):
That was to watch, and I got up and did
Sunday Morning Coming Down with him, and it was just
so special man being able to do that, because he's
one of those guys, he's one of the greatest we've
ever had. And now people are like, man, you got
to play with Christopherson, right, And I'm like, well, as
a matter of fact.
Speaker 3 (57:18):
I did, you know.
Speaker 2 (57:20):
It's like I get to tell some cool stories.
Speaker 4 (57:22):
I want to ask about the record, speaking of you
and Ward Davis wrote Monster together. Yeah, And I think
that's just because a lot of the I'll say a
lot a lot of songs wrote by yourself, but you and
Ward wrote that one together. What about that song stood out?
Speaker 1 (57:36):
That was the last song we wrote on the record. Actually,
the band was doing pre production for the record, and
Ward came to Colorado where we were hold up working
and just stayed with us for about a week and
Ward and I wrote and we ended up writing that song,
and so that song was the last edition that song.
Ward and I both gave up drinking, so for us,
(57:58):
that song was talking about it. The thing about that song, though,
is I had when we wrote that song, I wanted
a female to sing it. I thought that that would
be a great song for a female to sing and
maybe the monster, you know. I was thinking kind of
a maybe a a woman being done wrong, like a
domestic violence kind of thing, like there's this monster she
(58:21):
keeps letting back in because so often that's the trend
with with scenarios like that.
Speaker 2 (58:25):
So I had that picture kind of painted.
Speaker 1 (58:28):
And Josh, our bass player and producer, he was like, dude,
you got to sing that song, and Ward was like, dude,
you got to sing that song. And so everybody's got
a monster, and monsters are real and they're they're out
there and everybody's as different. And I think that that's
what's kind of cool about that song. It's got such
(58:48):
a swing in almost disco kind of chorus. It's really weird.
It's kind of one of those ones you want to
dance to, but the words are really heavy, so it's
it's it's really strange in that regard, but yeah, it's
kind of a what's Your monster?
Speaker 4 (59:03):
Lived in Texas for twelve thirteen years, lived in Austin,
and so growing up in Arkansas, I wasn't I didn't
know much of the Texas music scene. When you live
in Austin, you are quickly baptized into the Texas music scene.
And that's where I learned of Ray Willy Hubbard.
Speaker 3 (59:18):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 5 (59:20):
You him and your Tennessee jet.
Speaker 4 (59:22):
Yeah, talk about that song for a second.
Speaker 5 (59:24):
The others.
Speaker 3 (59:25):
It was so cool.
Speaker 1 (59:26):
I was playing a festival in Oklahoma and Ray was
on that festival, and TJ came. TJ and I've written
so many songs together. I mean, probably that's.
Speaker 5 (59:35):
What you call Tennessee Jet TJ.
Speaker 3 (59:37):
TJ.
Speaker 1 (59:38):
Yeah, his name's Thomas Thomas James McFarland. And that's not
a secret. I'm not giving anything away.
Speaker 5 (59:44):
But his social Security number is yeah, his social is.
Speaker 3 (59:47):
He lives in.
Speaker 1 (59:50):
He came to see me that day because he was
he lives not far from where that festival was, and
I was like, man, yeah, of course he's going to
get up and do some songs with me.
Speaker 2 (59:58):
And he knows Ray better than me.
Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
I met Ray for the first time twenty plus years ago,
but Ray and I hadn't seen each other reconnected since then.
And he said, hey, let's go say how to Ray.
So he calls Ray up. He said, hey, I'm over
at Jinks and this and that. So we ended up
going over to Ray's bus and hanging out with Ray.
And Ray is the coolest guy in music, just in
a genre, just the coolest, coolest human ever. And he's
(01:00:24):
just such a nice and sweet and kind and generous man.
Speaker 5 (01:00:30):
And he said, well, you know, guys, I think.
Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Maybe we ought to.
Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Try to write one and that's all we needed to hear.
So TJ just that day ended and TJ starts a
text threat between me and him and Ray and t
The whole song happened on a text message. TJ goes, hey, guys,
what do you think about this? Bam, there's the first verse.
Ray fires right back with the second verse. I was like,
(01:01:00):
what do you guys think about this? For a chorus,
and then TJ goes, oh, what about this for the
last verse. So it was TJ, Ray, me, TJ and
we really didn't change anything, and it happened just like
it was one of the strangest It just happened, I
(01:01:20):
guess because it was supposed to and it was too
cool not to happen. That's how we wrote that song.
We just filmed the video for it two days ago
in Chattanooga, and we had all kinds.
Speaker 5 (01:01:32):
Of people out there.
Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
We had cowboys and freaks and goths and punks and
business people all in the video and just fire breather
and people swinging from stunt people swinging from sandaliers, and
you know, it's it's because it's a song for the fans,
(01:01:55):
and we're singing for everybody out there, and it's a
it's a it's a it's a love song to the fans,
hippies and cowboys.
Speaker 5 (01:02:03):
Tour all the way until the end of the year.
Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
You're also doing the acoustic shows with Ward Davis, and
I mean, for the most part, they can just go
to your socials.
Speaker 5 (01:02:11):
You got all the dates up there.
Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Mean it's the easiest thing to say now, just it's
all on the all on the socials.
Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Man.
Speaker 5 (01:02:20):
Everything. I've really enjoyed this. Thanks for giving me an hour.
Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Thank you for the hour. I appreciate it. And uh yeah,
a great way to button up the trip.
Speaker 5 (01:02:30):
I'm when do you go home?
Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
Now? From here? From here?
Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
From here, I'll be on an airplane in a couple
of hours, and so I'm I'm about to go to
about to go to.
Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
The airport and and uh head back to the head
back to the DFW area.
Speaker 5 (01:02:45):
Well, listen, I really enjoy as a person.
Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Thank you likewise, man, I really.
Speaker 5 (01:02:51):
I used to be.
Speaker 4 (01:02:51):
I'm scared of you still maybe like one person still
scared because you know, you know, you could stab me
at anytime, and I'd be like, yep.
Speaker 5 (01:02:56):
I thought so. But other than that, like, I really
like hanging out with Thank you much.
Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
I really, honestly, Bobby, I didn't want to like you.
Speaker 5 (01:03:05):
I'm glad you said it.
Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Really.
Speaker 9 (01:03:07):
Yeah, I didn't want I agree, And now it's kind
of like step brothers, you know, It's like, now it's like,
did we just become friends?
Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
Actually?
Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
So no, thank you so much for your time and
all the best. And I think that our story is
probably parallel with one another, probably far more than either one.
Speaker 5 (01:03:23):
Of us realized. That's so funny.
Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
So yeah, you guys, go at Cody Jink's new album
July twenty fifth, in My Blood, really appreciate the hour.
Have safe trip home, and next time you're in town,
let's do it again and talk about how we can't
believe we like each other.
Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
I know, you know what, we might as well because
these keep getting better.
Speaker 5 (01:03:42):
I'll grow the beard, you wear the card again.
Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
We'll be all, yeah, I'm turning over all kinds of
leaves man.
Speaker 5 (01:03:47):
All right, there he is Cody Jinks.
Speaker 8 (01:03:48):
Everybody, thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production
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