#552 - Mae Estes on Why She Thinks Her & Bobby Might Be Cousins + Country Music Being the Perfect Genre for Her Because of Her Own Struggles and Tribulations in Life + The Best Advice She Got from Ashley McBryde + Touring with Luke Bryan - Bobbycast

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
My heroes like Loretta Lynn and Tammy Wynette. We're not
making that stuff up off the cuff. They were living it.
And when I try to figure out why my story
has gone the way it has, I think God was like, well,
you gotta have something to write about Sis.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Welcome to episode five point fifty two with may Estis.
You can follow her on Instagram even just to see
what she looks like.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
M A e E. S t E. S. May Estes.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
She's got a self titled heap that came out October tenth.
You can check out her music and obviously I liked
her also great merch. I've been wearing her hats for
like week and a half now.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yeah, right, two colors of it.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yeah. At the end, she was like, hey, I brought
you a couple of hats. And people do bring stuff sometimes,
and most stuff it just goes in the pile. But
she actually made some really cool hats, so I've been
wearing those and for no other reason than I think
she's just designed some really good merch. So she's really
been like showing up in things, meaning you just see

(01:08):
her name popping around like she's an artist that's elevating
big time. Now she's doing bigger shows. You're seeing her
as part of like events in town, and so she's
kind of been on the radar a little bit. And
so to me, someone was like, hey, do you want
to interview may Estis? And I'd known her music a
little bit, but I was like, I don't know if
we're there yet. And then I kept seeing her name,
and then I was with George Burge and I talked

(01:29):
about this, and George is a close friend of mine,
and he was like, she's great. And then he's like,
you know, she's like you and I was like, uh,
completely neurotic, and he's like, no, Like she went to
this Henderson State University. She's from a small town like
near you. And I was like, really market sall. He's
like yeah, all that.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
And so did a little digging. Obviously. I like what
she's doing artistically.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Also sometimes don't want to like get ahead of it
and put somebody on before they really have something there.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
But no, this was good. I was glad we did then.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
And then she's also just a really cool artist and
I hope everybody checks her out.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
So this is may Estus. Anything you want to say,
Mike is like meeting you in the multiverse A little.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, if yeah, I agree, if I was born a girl,
yeah or not? I mean, it could also be just
me now here she is episode five point fifty two.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
You know what get you?

Speaker 2 (02:18):
A may Estis hat like I often wear. Uh, there
you go, that's it here she is may Estes.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
May welcome, good to see you.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
I know about you a bit well, mostly because I
started doing some investigating the first time someone said something
was It was mostly like, are you and may related?
Because my real last name is almost your last name.
Because my real last name is Estel, which is E.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
S T E L. Yours is Estes.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
People think because we're from Arkansas and we have the
reputation of being all related, that we might be related.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
I said, no, I don't. I'm not related to her.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
We're from basically the same part of the state, school everything.
And then one of my dear friends, we were flying
back in Chicago and someone had asked about you, and
I asked, George Burgh, I said, do you like Maiestas
And he was like, she is the best, and I
was like, done, So that is how you ended up here.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
So George, your thoughts on all of.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
That, well, Bobby, you are a legend where we come from.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Well, I think there's a few of the only few
of us that got out of the outside of the
state line, so they remember us for whatever reason.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Absolutely, yeah, And your story has been inspirational to me
even from a distance, as far as like you don't
have to have anything, but I guess I'm calling it
audacity these days to believe that you can do it.
And so a lot of our story is similar in
the same that like we came from I think, absent

(03:46):
dads and no money in small town and no resources
or opportunities. And so I was really drawn to your
story and followed your career closely because of country music, obviously,
but also because you I'm from damn near the exact
same area, and have proven that with work, ethic and

(04:07):
sheer determination you can make a lot of really crazy stuff.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Well, that's nice of you. You're from Hope, Hope, Ark
and I've been to Hope a bunch.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Sorry about that. A.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Well, I'm from Mountain Pine, so Hope was big compared
to Mountain Pine.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
I think you guys were like three A or four A.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
My best friend and my one of my groom's been
played quarterback at Hope and so and you guys have
the watermelont that Hope Watermelon Fast.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
I was the Hope Watermelon Idol. One year you were
You're in the presence of Royalty.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
They had the watermelon idol.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah, and it took me about five years to win it.
They kept letting this like seventy five year old man
who like rode a bicycle to the competition win it
every year.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
I wait, old man, It wasn't like American Idol where
there was an age gap or a limit or anything
like that.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
No, and I was still young and cute and had
that going for me and still couldn't win. And so so.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
In year five or six, you finally went Hope Idol,
No Watermelon Idol.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
I was like about to move to Nashville. I was
like twenty or nine when I finally won. But I
did finally win it.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Well, congratulations on that. I'm sorry didn't get to tell
you that inventially. I know that was a big part
of your career. Yeah, when looking back, so growing it,
did you go to whole high school?

Speaker 1 (05:12):
I did?

Speaker 2 (05:13):
And whenever you're growing up and I don't know your
family situation, So no, Dad, dad. Check out what happened.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
That is the whole other podcast. I'm afraid, but my
biological dad left by the time I was two. My
mom eventually remarried that dad adopted me. They've actually been
divorced and remarried to each other in the process of
getting divorced again.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
So I have that doesn't even sound weird to me.
I'm gonna be honest with you, Ye, you're.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
Honestly one of the people. I was like, you know
who I don't think I'm gonna be able to raise
an eyebrow on is Bobby Bones because I the rest
of this town is pretty enamored with my I like
to say I have a Jerry Springer life story, and
that's why I fit so well in country music. Is
my heroes like Loretta Lynn and Tammy Wynett. We're not
making that stuff up off the cuff. They were living it.

(05:58):
And when I try to figure out why my story
has gone the way it has, I think God was like, well,
you gotta have something to write about sis.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
He was giving you material.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
That's and when I'm in my most positive monset, that's
how I'm looking at my life.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
I have double cousins and that I have my sister
and myself because my mom and her sister married my
biological dad.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
I don't really call my dad but his brother.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
So we had two sisters marry and two brothers, so
that that tree doesn't only branch out. So we're not inbred.
I have to say that, Oh, we're not inbred.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
But it's like Arkansas is thick in here.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yeah, we're double cousins.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
We're as as much cousin as you could possibly be
without it being illegal. So when you say stuff like that,
you know what, That's just how it is. That's how
it is in Arkansas. So you finished at whole high school?
Did you graduate?

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (06:48):
I graduated from Hope, Hi and wanted to go to Belmont.
I came to Nashville and toward it, and it was
gonna cost me an astronomical amount of money. I was
getting a bunch of in state scholarships. I did really
well in school, and so I was getting a full
ride to go to Henderson State and honestly took the
responsible route. I wanted to be in Nashville from the
time I was seven when I started singing, but so

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grateful I went to Henderson learned a lot about myself
and got a mass media communication degree.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
Day we might be just the same person in a
different timeline.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
I don't know how much to creep you out with
those details, but yeah, I also interned at US ninety seven.
Really here my internship in college and yeah, man, our
passive crossed in a lot of ways.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
When you moved to Nashville? Would you finish school? And
you're like, now I have to go?

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Well, I was chomping at the bit to go before
I ever went to college and college I think I
was first generation college graduate. I think a lot of
it was like this feels like what you're supposed to do,
and it feels like a responsible thing for me to
fall back on.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
So you wanted to get your degree first.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
I wanted to get my degree. So I went for
three years instead of four, loaded up on classes, worked
full time to save the move.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
What'd you Nashville? What'd you do for work there?

Speaker 1 (07:57):
I worked at the Hibbit Sports. I worked at the
Degray Lodge as a line cook, only girl, youngest one
by like twenty years. That was maybe the worst job
I've ever had. I did anything I could just to
like hustle because money was not gonna be the reason
I didn't get to Nashville.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
So I drove every day because I worked. Every day,
would drive from Arcadelphia to Hot Springs, and so I
drove over the dam every day. Yeah, and that is
such a something I don't think about now, but every
day I made that drive over to Gray and that
whole area because I had to drive to Hot Springs.
I would go to class eight am. I'ld take eight
am classes. I ran the college radio station as well,

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and so i'd finished there around two or three and
drive over. Always stop at popeye'es and Hot Springs work,
and then leave it midnight or one. And then there's
the waffle house very close to Arcadelphia, but it's right
before you get back into Arcadelphia. And I spent probably
four nights a week there in that waffle house that
when you're driving back is on the right side of
the road.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
In Cattle Valley.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
Yeah, right in Kettle Valley.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
We call that the Awful Waffle And I spent so
much of my time just studying, getting ready for the
next day so I could go back to work. So
I know what that hustle is, especially when you're there.
There was a bank in Arkadelphia. I haven't thought about
this in a while. And I'm at the ATM or
near it. I'm in the line. It was one of
those drive up ATMs, and there's a woman and she

(09:17):
it's very windy, and she's struggling to reach out and
her money comes out, and I can see it come out,
and it's sitting in that bottom like that grip that
you take it from. It comes down and she doesn't
see it, and she looks back down into her car
and as she looks the augusta wind blows it all out.
Cash blows everywhere, and she comes back and she looks

(09:38):
at it and the money's not there, but the machine
says she was giving that money. She's confused, and then
I see her kind of get angry, and she just
drives off and she drives into the bank and I
see all the money come out of the machine. So
I park my car and I get out and I'm
grabbing the money. It's again, it's just such a windy day.
I grab all the money. I'm picking it all up.
I don't know if I got all of it, but
I've got it all in my hand. It's a lot

(09:58):
of twenties. It was like two hundred and eighty three
hundred dollars, so it's a significant amount of money.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
So I take the money.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
I drive it back around to the bank in Arcadelphia
and I go in and she's just given the teller
of the business the machine did not give me my money.
I want my money. I needed credited back to my account.
If you're not gonna give me the money. I walk
in and I'm like, oh, here's your money is. When
you look down, it.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
All blew out. She's like, oh my god, I'm so embarrassed.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
I'm so sorry. So she takes her money, she leaves.
They tell me at the bank, hey, that's really nice
if you we want to give you a reward because
you easily could have driven off with all that money.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
I'm like, this is a bank's gonna give me a reward.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
This is the best place to give you a reward,
because that's you know, it's gonna be something significant. The
like come back Monday and get your reward. And I
lived in a really small townhouse in Arcadelphia. Rent was
like two hundred bucks a month. Did dream Yeah, And
I'm like, I'm about to get my rent everything paid for.
And so I go back I was so excited on
Monday and I'm ready to get my reward. And I
show up and they give me a hat from the

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bank and they give me like a ten percent off
keep on to the cafessh restaurant. They were like, thank
you so much for saving all that money. I was like,
where's the rest.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
The fish net? I was a host shet that's it.
I was a host there. It didn't go well. You know,
I need to be on the line, I think, not
at the host stand. I'm not a good greeter.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
That's my last Archadelphia story.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
I saved a whole bunch of money and got ten
percent off of the fish net, fish nest and a hat.
So you leave Arkadelph. You're done with Arkadelphi. You moved
to Nashville. What do you pack up?

Speaker 3 (11:24):
You pack up a Do you have enough stuff for
a big truck at you haul away?

Speaker 1 (11:28):
We have a trailer. My family made the They didn't
move with me, but they helped me move. My uncle Van,
my mom and my daddy and my sister. So I
drove my Honda Civic and had it loaded to the
brim and then they had a truck with a trailer
behind it that had my bed and some furniture like that,
and I moved into a house in East Nashville with
two other girls that I did not know at all

(11:49):
for five hundred dollars a month.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
How'd you meet them online? Just find some many needs
a roommate?

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Nope, I was on Craigslist looking for roommates. My mom
was having a heart attack because of that, thinking I
was gonna get murder or yeah, I'm talking like fifty
year old men. I don't know that. It was like
a room for rent and I'm like, hello, I'm twenty one,
and I'd love to live in your house eight hours
away from everything I know. Like anyways, I my mom

(12:13):
called this guy's mom, which is the most Arkansas thing ever.
She's like, my friend Biddy has this son that I
think is doing well in Nashville. And I'm like, Mama,
don't harass them people. But thank god she did.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
She knew somebody already here my family.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
My mom's dad was in a bluegrass band before I
came along. And there's a dobro player, big session player
in town named Josh Mathene who was in a band
called King Billy back in the day, and his mom.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
King Billy had a lot of famous players in it.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. Matt Utterback on bas Kevin Weaver
on drums. That was my band when I first got
here was I played with the King Billy Band, which
is unbelievable as any It was insane, But anyways, Mom
called his family and he ended up taking me under
his wing immediately. So I didn't know anybody in Nashville,
but I knew of Josh Matheeni and he is the

(13:07):
biggest blessing I've ever had. He was taking me backstage
at the Opry immediately, let me come watch him play
at the Bluebird. He was super close with Carly Pearce
at the time, and so I was just right in
the middle of all of it, taking as many notes
as I can. I really lucked into a lot of
networking as soon as I got here through that guy,
So I give him a bunch of credit. But other

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than that, man, I had to figure it out, and
I started working three jobs at a time, and I
did that for five years until I finally got a
publishing deal.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
What'd you do here? What jobs?

Speaker 1 (13:38):
It'd be easier to tell you what I didn't. I
managed the victorious secret in the Green Hills Mall. If
you've never folded a panty bar, then you don't know
real torture.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
I haven't in a while, so yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
And that sucked. I did that at the same time
I worked at tavern in Midtown and I did that
for four years. That's where I got laid off in
COVID from that restaurant.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
Were you doing those because you could do one a
day and one tonight was having a night more of
a night job.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
It swapped around. If I didn't work morning, if I
worked morning shift at one, I worked at the evening
shift at the other, And on my off days from
one of those jobs, I was at my other job,
and ten years into it now, I'm not sure why
I convinced myself I had to work every second, But
I think the financial part of my journey. When I

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talk to other artists and friends have made this kind
of crazy move, the financial part looks different from me
than it does for a lot of those people. It
has been a driving force where I think I have
a gigantic fear of not having any money and having
to depend on people, and like, I just know that
if if I drop the ball here financially, I have

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nowhere to go but maybe move back in with my parents,
and like, I've never had a fail safe when it
comes to that. So when I moved here, I was like,
it's so expensive to live here. It's obviously a gigantic
difference from the small town I grew up in, and
so I was so dressed about I got to get
my feet on the ground financially because then you got
to make music, which costs. But I mean, I was

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just trying to live here and network and cost so
as much money. You're trying to meet as many people
as you can, but that's going out to bars and dinners,
and you got to spend money to network too, And
so money was my biggest Like I got to figure
this out first.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
It's still that for me, and I have it, and
it's still I still freak out of it.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
I wanted to ask you how much. I had a
conversation this morning with a friend that was like, I
think I would make a lot of different decisions in
the music business if I could completely separate that. Okay,
how am I going to pay my mortgage? How much?
But the money part, like, if I had the freedom
in that way to make decisions, it would look different.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yeah, but I think at least with me, sure it
would look different as well. But it shaped how I
approached everything, Like my approach on money was and still
is to a point. I was scared to do like
direct deposit. I was scared to do pay autobill pay
because there wouldn't be money. I had all these all
these irrational later fears that I didn't feel safe even

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with letting people see or have my money like a
business manager.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
That's very difficult for me.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
That has been the hardest thing maybe ever. It's so foreign.
And when you come from a family that, like we
ain't never had no finances to manage, and then you
hand all that over it's and you have to pay
them so foreign.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Yeah, so and that was hard for me. But I
think the extreme discipline that I have and had with
money also affected things positively in other ways that weren't
money related, like my work ethic.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
I'm going to show up before other people.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
I'm going to work longer if I need to, because
I've been so scared of not having money. I got
to make sure that I am the absolute best so
I don't get cut and don't have money. So I
think it's made me a harder worker just even now.
I think it's I think it's been kind of a superpower.
I think it's where the tenacity has come from. I
think I've been poor also, and I also know I
can be poor again, and that's I survived.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
And I think that gave me a lot of.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Comfort to know that if everything went wrong period, I
was still going to be okay because I was pretty
good at being poor.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Yeah, it's resilience. I have that, and I have noticed
that is my greatest strength, and it's a perspective of
the world around you and other people, and I'm really
grateful for it, but it definitely made it a lot harder.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Whenever they were like, hey, you gotta get a business manager,
I was like, well, I don't really know what that is.
And I would call around and when they're like, you
have to give us a percentage to handle your money,
I was like, well, I don't want to do either.
I don't want to give you a percentage and I
don't want your handling my money. So why in the
world would I do this? And they're like, well, because
you just pay percentages. And I was touring a lot
of the time, even with a band, They're like, you
have to pay your all your band people, all your bills,

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you got to pay your agent, you got to pay
your your management, all those percentages, taxes, all taxes, especially
for jobs that aren't like my main job, which my
main job, they take the taxes out, but my other
five jobs they don't. And I see why people in
like Hollywood go to jail for not paying their taxes
because it's it's weird to have a job where they

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don't take the taxes out. Yeah, money was a big
driver in shaping how disciplined I am because I had
to have money to survive, and if I wasn't super disciplined,
I don't think I would have survived.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Mine's also safety based. I think maybe in a similar
way to you, where I grew up in a childhood
that I didn't have control over a lot of things,
and so I think I ran full speed in the
direction of like, I don't want to have to depend
on anybody, because you know, even the dad example alone,
that's one of the first people that let you down,

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that is supposed to do something that they didn't do.
And so I learned that early and was like, I
don't want to depend on anybody but me.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Forever, because somebody you should be able to depend on,
you weren't able to depend on.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah, that's the first lesson I learned as soon as
I was old enough for my brain to develop. It
was Yeah, it's a sucky lesson, Yeah, but it's but
if you use it right, you know. And it also
I'm able to relate to people in a way I
couldn't without that perspective.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah, I think empathy is again another superpower. Perspective is
also one that you don't really sign up because you
want nobody wants. It's nice to have perspective once it's there,
but no one likes to gain it because you only
gain it through struggle. But you also get again, you
write songs from perspective, yep. And I think you know,
a lot of the music that you're writing comes from

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places that you've been or seen or been exposed to.
And like you said, I think a lot of the
situations that you've been through have created the creative that
you are. And yeah, I think it's super interesting because again,
I think we have a lot of similarities in how
we got here. I can just imagine from Arcadela, I
went to Austin from Arkadelphia, so similar type city to

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go do a job that I didn't know anybody.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
I moved there. It was kind of crazy because but
I was.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Also going to do what I thought I was supposed
to do, Like I was leaving to go to Austin
to really start my career. And that was the same thing.
When you moved here to Nashville. What do you do
when you get here? I know you're working, but like,
how do you do music?

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Stuff? Like where do you start?

Speaker 1 (20:12):
I'm still not sure. I was hoping you could tell.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
Me I'm out today. Yeah, I know nothing.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
What the next step is? I just dove in. I
have that same I'm not trying to say I'm your cousin,
but it's really looking like it because I have the
exact same work ethic. And so I got here and
anyone who would meet with me, talk to me, give
me good advice, bad advice, would let me play a show,
would let me sing two seconds for them, if I
could work a job, make some money, like cause you don't.

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Nashville is this magical mecca to me and just larger
than life. And I thought all I had figured out
at this time was that I had been given some
kind of God given gift to connect with complete strangers
and it made me feel seen and made them feel seen.
It was a physical release, like that's singing for me.
And then I think Nashville was probably the whole safety perspective.

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I was like, the people in Nashville can tell me
how to make this a career where I'm able to
take care of myself forever, take care of my family forever,
have a stability of some sort, which is hilarious to
ever think you're going to get that from the music industry,
but I think that's my small town naivete was Nashville
is the place to take this small gift and change

(21:23):
my life with it.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
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Speaker 3 (21:36):
We're back on the Bobby Cast. Was it weird to
have like minded people around?

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Oh? That was incredible because I very much. You know, Arkansas,
there was no music scene. I started singing the national
anthem at rodeos I was in when I was little.
That's where my first performances were. I became the national
anthem girl for the Arkletexts and then no one I.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Means everybody listening is Arkansas, Louise and Texas. It's like
that whole area where it all kind of hits each other,
little corner, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
And that's all there was. No one was writing original music.
There were some Opry's and hay Rides. I played the
Oaklawn Opry in Texaskana all the time, and we drove
to glen Wood for an AM radio show. But those
were all classic country songs. And I was ten years
old singing Don't Come Home and drinking was loving on
your mind and having to learn all these old classics,
and I was like, I want to sing Carrie Underwood

(22:26):
and I hated it at the time, and now I'm
so old school. I'm like all I love is classic country.
But that's all there was around me. And so I
knew if I wanted to have a career in country music,
I could not do it in Hope, Arkansas. We're Rockadelphia, Arkansas,
and I wanted two so bad, but it wasn't realistic.
This was the hub. No one I knew did it,
And I had to come here to learn the business.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
When you get and you have a job, and it
can be the tavern, it could be at the mall,
it's other people trying to make it too, that have
jobs like that so they can make it, and to
be around other people that were also trying to do
the same thing. I'm sure it was both refreshing and
even maybe a bit intimidating if they've been doing it
for a long time and still haven't broken out yet.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Yeah, yeah, And well, you just feel crazy as a
creative if you're not in the right spot. And so
it was cool to just I think we I couldn't
confirm we're all crazy now, but at least we're all
in it together. But also that ambition. I feel like
my hometown still and I don't mean this negative at all,
but they don't really know how to dream. I feel
like my hometown discourages any kind of out of the

(23:28):
box thinking or like you want to start your own business,
do it? Like that's not a thing where I come from.
And so when I got here, I met other people
who were like, I want this, it doesn't exist, let's
make it. And so that was incredible. But there is
that other part of like everybody here is unbelievably talented.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
That's a truth.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
And charismatic and beautiful and also rich felt like everybody's
freaking parents were rich and had three lake houses and
all kinds of shit. When I got here and I
was like, when we start talking retreats and stuff, it
was like, well, shit, I ain't got y'all want to
come to the Deer campus a shed. It ain't got
no electricity even, But if y'all want to come, we
can write some songs. And so at first I was

(24:10):
so intimidated by that because I was like, damn, I'm
not gonna fit in this. But then I was like, oh, well, now,
like times have even changed where it feels like people
are chasing that. Like people want to sing about a
trailer house. Now I grew up in a damn trailerhouse.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
They want to fake poor even if they weren't, because
they want.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
A small town and like authenticity, and I used to
feel like I needed to hide that part of it.
So then I found my people here and it was like,
I think I'm authentically what some people wish they were,
which is interesting. And then just I had to learn
to surround myself with people that are better than me,
and I try to do that every single day. Just
kill my ego. I should be the worst person in

(24:50):
the room, and that's how I feel. If I'm worth
the damn at all in my talent, it's because those
people kept making me level up for the last ten years.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
You're so right. I've said this.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
A lot of people creatives that move to this town,
most of them are rich or poor. Very rarely is
it a middle class kid who moves here that has
some stability.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
Its went to a pretty good school. Like, you either have.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
To have mom and daddy's money, because this job has
no stability.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
You move here, you're just on your own. The wind's blowing.
You could be awesome and never make it.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
And that could still be impossible with mom and dad's
money too.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
I found, Yes, but with mom and dad's money, theirs
stability because you've got the money to.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Pay the bills.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Or it's somebody who's completely poor, has nothing to lose, Yeah,
and a dream, and you know what if they're going
to be poor, Okay, I've been poor before. I'm gonna
keep being poor, but I'm still gonna do what I
dream of doing while being poor. And so it's usually
those two kinds of people that move here as a
creative that want to make as an artist, you either
got some money or you got no money, And rarely

(25:52):
is it in the middle, because in the middle, you're
kind of comfortable, and if you're comfortable, it's hard to
take yourself to a place that's not comfortable anymore. Yeah,
And I think even when people get success that had
we'll just say no money.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
It's hard once you've made it.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
And I struggled with this for a while because I
started to go, man, I've kind of made it. I
don't want to really, you know, do anything to you know,
rattle the cages.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Now.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
I don't want to lose all this. I now I'm
past that stage again.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
But I started to be comfortable because I didn't want
to lose what I had. And so, yes, it's one
of two kinds of people. And I could see where
that would be intimidating moving here. And it's a bunch
of well, it's a lot of like rich kids who
can come and just ride all day because they don't
have to have a job, because they don't have to
pay their freaking car insurance and all that stuff's got

(26:39):
to be paid first before you can do any before
you can even go.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
And write songs. Who is here like in your class?

Speaker 2 (26:45):
And I say that, as you know, when I moved here,
there were five or six or seven of us who
moved here around the same time, like the Dan and shay'se.
That's like my class. We all moved here at the
same time. Who moved here kind of when you moved
here that you remember well.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
I feel like the artist commune is something I'm just
now trying to tap into. I haven't had a lot
of artist friends because we've been running opposite directions at
the same speed, and we're also in our own like
I don't have I'm like, good for you, but I'm
so focused on my own stuff I can't even have
that kind of So I had a lot of songwriter
friends initially. But Emily Anne Roberts, do you know her?

(27:22):
She we've just recently become friends, but she moved about
the same time. But we've been really good support systems
for each other and have very different journey. She was
on the Voice and had the TV show and like,
had a very different journey. But yeah, we're and we
both kind of are feeling a little bit of a
buzz this year around the same time. But I think

(27:43):
that ten year mark is just kind of what I
believed is the Bible, because it was some kind of
comfort even if I was like, I don't know, it's
just kind of this mark for me, so I'll I
will be completely honest. The tenure has been a mental
breakdown for me because I was like, what did I
want this year to be?

Speaker 3 (28:04):
What did you want this year to be?

Speaker 1 (28:05):
I don't know. I think I think I've spent a
lot of my journey in Nashville. Somewhere along the way.
I let the industry and the town help me make
my list of goals and what success is.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
Because you're singing around you and what other people are doing.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yep, and because people validate certain things like this is
an incredible opportunity to me because we come from the
same place. I wanted to have a conversation with you.
But there are opportunities like this that mean a lot
to your label or something and don't fill your cup
at all. And that's what I'm in currently, is this

(28:47):
looking at my whole life and career in a different
way because I think I've gotten close enough. I've seen
the wizard, and I have gotten close enough to know
that the glitter is not gold.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
Man, it is not at all.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
It is not but I do think there's incredible beauty
in this, and I think there's obviously something in my
heart that made me sacrifice everything in the whole world
to chase this. I still believe that's there, but I
think I've gotten a little distracted on what success or
even stability is for me, and so it's been crippling
to be honest with myself and be like, since you

(29:23):
might have gotten it wrong, Well.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
You know what the glitter is.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
The glitterus fulfillment, and and it's hard to think of
that when you're just trying to pay the bills. Yeah,
because you can't pay the bills off fulfillment.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
You also can't I feel like I'm such a control
freak that I have like had my life by like this,
and you can't accept even if f financial opportunities were coming,
I'm not looking for them. I've already decided they're not
coming to me. And that's like not a not a
productive mindset.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
What do you mean by that?

Speaker 1 (29:52):
I think it's a protective pessimism. I don't expect to
just be like if I trust the process, Oh, somebody's
gonna call me tomorrow and it's gonna be a check
that's gonna pay my mortgage this month if I decide
to let go of everything that doesn't feel good to me.
And I love that, and I have friends that actually
have experienced that, but I have this part of my

(30:12):
brain that is always going to fight that because my
life has not been that way. I've seen that the
world is not fair, and just because you work hard
for something, or you think you deserve something, or you're
a good person, nobody gives a shit. That's not how
it works.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
You're right. The only one that does is you.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, And that's why I work so hard to depend
only on myself. But it's another hard truth I've learned
this year is I don't think you can do this
shit by yourself, unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
And it's also hard to find the people, though, that
can do it with you, that care about you enough
to put in an effort, like a real effort, like
a real team.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
That's why my team's been there for twenty years.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Like all my people, they don't if you come in,
you almost rarely leave, like my co hosts on my
radio show twenty years, even like Morgan, who's my manager
and runs my podcast network. I was speaking out a
college here thirteen years ago and she just emailed me
from the board and I was like, yeah, I mean

(31:10):
I was also like I don't know how all that was,
but and so she came in. She was an intern
and assistant producer, executive. But it's like once you get
like five or six of those people that it matters
to as well, Like that's where the real currency is
because you can trust them, you can trust that they
trust you, and you can trust them and you know
that they'll work for it as well. It's hard to

(31:31):
find that.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
How do you deal with the beginning stages of that
where you feel like people are just pouring into you.
And I mean, for example, like a manager is getting
fifteen percent of what you're doing, but that ain't nothing
at the beginning. Like I struggle so much with people
because that's something else is I've had a lot of
people hold things over my head in my life. That's
why I'm so independent and I don't want anyone to
do anything for me ever, But I struggle with those

(31:54):
champions that come on early and accepting that love and
help and investment, And believe, have you ever struggled with
that or you just found the people that jumped on board,
and you knew you were gonna work until it was
beneficial for everybody.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
I don't think I why don't think I've jumped on board. Ah,
I'm sure everybody has a different story about working with me.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
And also I'm to interview.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
I'm so reluctant to let anybody in at all, Like
it's hard to get in, and everybody that's been with
me now is for the most part of my whole
team is plus over ten years in different capacities, so
it's really hard to get in.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
It's like a gang. I gotta jump you in, I
got to jump you out.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
So it's almost like there's got to be something really
traumatic that happens for me to believe you even want
to actually be here and not just make the money.
And then the opposite as well, like you really got
to like stab my wife for me to fire you,
Like it's one of the two.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
That's how I feel about my marriage. Was like because
I'm married, which is shocking to me. I did not
think you got to have a spouse in this, but
I actively tried to just like jump scare him off.
I'm like, I'm a pain in the ass, and my
wife I'm difficult and stubborn, and no one in the
God's green earth should put up with me, especially when
I'm one hundred thousand percent committed to this dream and
we'll put it above you every time forever. And I

(33:08):
got to be honest about that. But I tried to
be like, you don't want this, you don't want this,
and he would not go away. And we've been together
eight years now, married five wow, and he's the best
thing in the whole world. But that, I think that
is going to be the same approach maybe in my
business team is I'm going to be like, you can't
handle me, I'm too crazy. You know, one should put

(33:29):
up with me, and they're going to be like, no,
I'm in this. You don't scare me.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
That's so unhealthy. And I do it too.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
I'll I give you another example of a very similar situation.
I have had a very dear friend of mine that
has he's an excellent artist at singer, one of the
best singers, one of the best guitar players that I know,
and he toured for ten years with me and was
actually a really good friend. And I was looking for

(33:59):
a position inside of my little internal group, a very
tight group and it was a position that he had
never done. But he had done a lot of like
written a lot of songs for TV shows, written a
lot of songs for commercials. He does a lot of
producing for other artists. But I needed a job that
was like that. But for me, it's like all capacities
video audio. I just needed like a create a creative

(34:22):
by my side that there wasn't a defined job except
the definition is man. We just got to figure everything out.
And I know I never thought of them for this
because he was so overqualified. And I was looking because
my guy read left and he hit me up and
he was like, Hey, would you ever consider me for
this job?

Speaker 3 (34:38):
And I was like, I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
I think you're it's I don't think it's you because
you don't want to work with me in that capacity.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
And had every one of.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
My people call him, and I told them all my
closest friends, and he also knew all my closest friends.
I don't call him and try to convince I'm not
to work with me. I would tell, like Eddie, my
best friend who knew I say, hey, call him and
tell him the worst parts about working with me. I
think I had five different people call and convince him
not to take the job, and then it's the end.

(35:09):
He called and he was like, dude, I've worked with
you for ten years. I've toward as you like, I
get it, you're crazy in a way, but like I'm good,
let's go.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
But I did the same thing.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
I tried to convince them not to work for me
because it's like, you don't want you don't want to
have to be around this all the time, because it's
it's insane and I'm insane. And that same guy as
your husband, Yeah, we have the same We did the
same thing. But I feel like that's what you did
with him. I mean I feel like you're like, you
don't how can we You don't want to be with me?
But I try to do that in relationships.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yeah, I mean, you just expect. When you love people,
you think they deserve the best in the world, and
when you have a poor self image. I one hundred
percent I'm trying to love myself. It's going to take
me the rest of my life to figure that out.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
I think, yeah, me too.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
But when other people love you before you know how
to love yourself, it is the most confusing thing in
the world.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
You think it's because your dad left, because I think
a lot of us because my dad left.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
I try not to give that man any damn credit.
But the older I get, the more I'm like, those
abandonment issues are a large I have a whole lot
of I got a box full of issues. But I
think the abandoned when abandonmant one. Yeah, but I think again,
I don't think i'd be sitting right here. I don't
think I would have that. I'm doing it, and you
gave it. You were the first person to give up
on me. So I think there is a part of

(36:15):
me that's like proving you wrong.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
I think two things can be true at the same time.
I think it can because I think for me, that's
a big part of why I'm here. My dad left
when I was five. You know, I lived with my grandma.
Some mom left for a bit. Mom, you know, died
from drugs, and I know she loved me. But you know,
there's a lot of that, and I think I delivered
all I have all these you know, weapons because of that.

(36:41):
And it's awesome and it's awful, And I think two
things can be true at the same time.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
And I think like you said, you just try to
manage it.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
You try to walk that an impossible line because you
can't walk it right. But it's at least knowing that
you can't walk it right that makes it somewhat healthy.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
People have to want to understand you. That is what
my husband Chad has taught me the most is I
mean I got every kind of like letter you could have,
adhd OCD, all the things, depression, anxiety, I am like
all over it, and I feel misunderstood permanently. That's where
I turned to music was as a child having feelings

(37:21):
and things was like, well, that's not how that happened,
or that's not real. I had my emotions dismissed constantly,
and so I started writing diary entries and poetry that
eventually turned into songs because that piece of paper never
talked back and never said what you're feeling is wrong.
So that's where it all started, was having those feelings

(37:45):
in that validation.

Speaker 5 (37:47):
The Bobby cast will be right back. This is the
Bobby Cast.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
How do you do with praise? Let's say somebody praises
to you and they're like, hey man, you're really good,
Like how wow, you're killing it? How does it make
you feel this.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
Is so funny that you and I finally get to
talk in this time of my life when I'm having
a spiral and relooking at everything. But uh, I have
imposter syndrome like most people do. I'm really struggling on
how to fill my cup in the praise area because
my talent, Like if you were to compliment my work ethic.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
And because you can control your work ethic.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
And resilience and determination, you can control that, then I'm flattered.
Same if you compliment my talent, I opened my I
am not scared of anything. I can talk to a
fence post, not shy. My mama was playing the lee
Ane Rhyme's version of the National Anthem at the rodeo
and I was like, turn that tape off. You got
the real deal in the flesh right here. Give me

(38:53):
a microphone and let me try and saying the National Anthem.
I have no control. I know my voice very well
off and a lot of time saying I never shut up,
so I know my instrument. But I I had nothing
to do with this gift and songwriting. I think you
can learn the craft. But having feelings pour out of
me so much that I feel like I'm gonna die

(39:14):
if I don't do something with them. That's also out
of my control. So I just feel like the talent
part is such a god given, ethereal thing that it's
like it's like saying I don't know. It's like compliment
something you had nothing to do with.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
As if someone tells you they you're a great singer
and a great songwriter to your face, how do you feel.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Nom Is that good or bad?

Speaker 2 (39:40):
I think it's bad, so you don't accept it.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
It plays a small validation for me that like, I
think I'm more excited that they've heard of me.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
What if someone says they don't think you're very good, it.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Doesn't hurt me as bad?

Speaker 3 (39:55):
Numb ummm.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
That'll probably get to me before the good if I'm honest.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Yeah, that often does. When people tell me I'm talented,
I get offended.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
I do know that because I listen to your stuff
and I've heard you do that a million times. And
I was like, how am I going to compliment him
when I finally meet him, because he's gonna fight me.
But I am the same. I think it is that same,
like humble and like how we are.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
Just I don't know that I'm humble. May I'm be
honest with you. I don't think I'm humble, really not
really have you ever been? I think I'm humble in
some areas.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
I think I don't allow myself to be humble in
the creative space because I think I have control to
tell people when i'm good and tell people when I'm bad,
and I don't want anybody else telling me anything.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
I think my humbleness might have held me back in
some situations because, for example, recently, Ashley McBride has become
a big mentor of mine. I think she's somebody who
holds her integrity really close and I have learned a
lot from her. And we got to play the AIMPS together.
I don't know what that is, the Association of Independent

(40:57):
Music Publishers. Okay, it's an award show most like industry focused,
and I haven't got to do a lot of award
shows yet. So I got to perform for that one
and won an award, and it was a big deal
in me and Ashley were in the same green room
getting ready and she was like, how do you feel
about these award shows? And it's like, honestly, I am
just so excited to be included. I can't believe I

(41:17):
have my name on a green room I got invited
to this, Like, I'm grateful to friacking be here, and
she was like, I get that, but I'm going to
pass down some advice that Miranda gave to me. You
better start acting like you belong here. She was like,
you wouldn't have these opportunities if they weren't meant for you,
and the whole I'm just so happy to be here.
You're gonna have to lock that up. And we had

(41:39):
that conversation earlier this year, and I've been really looking
at the way I walk into opportunities lately because I
am super confident in at least my ability that I'm
giving you. I'm giving it. Hell, if you put a
microphone in front of my face, I have never ever
held back. And if I can find confidence in that,
then I think I can and like believe that I

(42:01):
deserve the praise.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Maybe yeah, I think mine is. I don't want anybody
to control any narrative of me at.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
All, So you don't want them to even like your
opinion doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Don't talk good about me, don't talk about it. I
mean I'll do both. I'll do plenty of both. I'll
tell you how good am, I'll tell you how terrible
I am. I don't want anybody saying anything about me.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
What's the good at?

Speaker 3 (42:20):
Though?

Speaker 1 (42:20):
When it's a subjective thing, how are you able to say?

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Like, I'm not saying it's healthier right by the way,
I'm just saying that. So I didn't mean to interrupt you.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
Go ahead, No, I mean That's another thing, is like,
even if I feel I am very talented, but do
you need the like do I need everyone in the
Why doesn't everyone know who I am? Why am I
not rich? Why don't I have a million? Number ones?

Speaker 3 (42:42):
Like?

Speaker 1 (42:43):
It feels like the talent part of it in this
industry is such an interesting spot because people just think
you're so talented and you should have all of these things,
when really those things have nothing to do with your talent.
What a mind.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
It's a weird Venn diagram of being actually being really
good and then being rewarded for the good that everybody
thinks you are.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
Yeah, that's a good question.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
I don't there's not an answer to it because there's
no formula. Because I know people that are awesome that
for some reason didn't pop through. I know people that
are very mid that have massive careers, and it's crazy,
like there are people that have a bunch of number
ones that I know they're not a very good singer
and they have no charisma on stage, but they met
the right person. Yeah, they met the right person who

(43:25):
needed this type of artist and decided to push them through.
And then I have people who I know that are
a freaking plus who just never got that break.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
And then it's the opposite. I know people who are.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
Awesome who got it, who figured it out. And so
I don't know that there is a formula or I
think if there was a formula, all the best, the
literal best at what they do, would be the ones
that have all the awards. But then I think it's
such a it's a human thing too, meaning people gotta
like you.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Like people have to like you or you're not going
to make it.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
And not even just people in this business that's a
big part of it, but also people that are like
watching you on social media or they're watching your videos
that are you know, come and spending money to come
to a concert, Like if they don't like you, you
can be the absolute best singer in the world. Like
I was on American Idol for a bunch of years
and the best singer never won, but the person that
the people like the most ended up being a really

(44:18):
good singer, but it was the most likable person. It's like,
you have to be really good in like four or
five areas. When I won Dancing with the Stars, I
was a bad dancer, but people.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
Like me the most.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
And that's such a valuable part of well life in general.
I don't care if you want to get a bank
or a dairy farm or here. If people like you,
they want to be around you, and so they're going
to do things for you to hopefully be around you
more and help you get to those positions. And so
I think that's been a hard lesson for me. It's
not just show up and work the hardest in everybody else.
It's also you got to kind of be likable too.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Which sucks. And let me ask you, like, do you
think I have so many questions? My brain is I'm
so eighty I need to pop another atter all currently,
probably what did you just say that?

Speaker 3 (45:00):
Was? You know what's funny about Aderall?

Speaker 2 (45:02):
I was talking to Brett Eldridge on this about it
where I had ad a few strokes, like a schemic strokes.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
That's not casual.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
It's not.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
But I was telling him because he's not never taken Adderall.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
I'm actually on Ridlin, not Adderall.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
I've never had Ridlin.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
I'm trying some things out.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
I loved Adderall for it like popped me back. I
haven't taken it in maybe years at this point, but man,
it popped me back into shape. It is like it
it stimulated my brain back for the first time after
my strokes.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
So how do you take it regularly? Because that's what
I find interesting about ADHD is I go to the
doctor and I'm like, I can't remember to eat food.
I'm losing weight so drastically, because that's how the issues
I have with my attention, and they're like, cool, start
taking this pill every single morning and every night or sometimes.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
In the I'm phone reminders.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
My problem is I can't do anything regularly. So now
you want me to take three pills a day on
top of it?

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Sounds good, it's off phone reminders, it's just to tell
it to do that. What's so you take rid aline slow?
Really is rittling slow release?

Speaker 1 (46:02):
I started on slow release, and now I am on
a lower dose that I can take twice a day.
Songwriter schedules are in a touring artist, I know two
days are the same for me. I'm not like waking
up at the same time every day. If I had
a late show and didn't get to my next venue
till three am, I'm sleeping as long as I possibly can.

(46:23):
And so I was taking that extended release sometimes at
eleven am, and it was keeping up forever. So we're
trying this now. But man, I'm stubborn, and I self
sabotage like nobody's business, because if I go ahead and
make things hard for myself, there's a comfort in that
for me, which I know is insane, but like, I
expect things to be hard, and if I control the

(46:43):
hard then somehow that's a mon thing I've made up,
and so I sabotage myself. Is your husband in the business, No,
he's a mobile mechanic and.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
He is is that as Is that awesome for you?

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Oh my gosh, but also horrible because you have a
person who is just using basic knowledge of the world
and doesn't have the subtle things that Nashville and the
music industry have taught us. So when something, I mean,
any contract you sign in this town is stupid. It

(47:17):
makes no sense in business if you take out the
potential things that signing a record deal or something could
do for you. If you're just talking to somebody who
doesn't know about me, that is the dumbest thing you
could do. So that is the worst thing about having
him is he does pull me out of when I
get in this like Nashville world, He's like, does that

(47:37):
even make sense? Or is that just the way they
Why do we do things that way? But mostly he
is He's super quiet where opposites in the best way.
I'm an enneagram eight. Do you know your aneagram? Oh
my god.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
We're either going to be best friends or do challenge
every Yes forever. I challenge everything, and I can actually
argue points I don't even agree with.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
I do it all the time.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Sometimes I commit to it and I'm like, I know
I'm wrong, but man, I'm already committed.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
So we love a healthy debate. I want to just
have friends that I can just be like, let's pick something,
go at it, and be like, all right, see you later.
But my husband is not that at all. He is
so passive and he doesn't I don't mean to say
he doesn't care about He just wants me to be
happy and chase my dream and supports me. So he
doesn't you have. It's funny this town. Like he's been

(48:21):
on tour with me this year, stepping in as my team.
I'm still I'm getting big opportunities now and don't have
the team in place that I need. So we're just
trying to do the best that we can. And I've
had people be like, your husband on the road with
you is weird, or like you can't have your husband
around this, Like everyone's gonna think he makes all your
decisions for you, and like, well, who cares, because he don't.

(48:42):
He is my partner in life and supports me. And
if I want his opinion, I'll get it. But this
is my business and I'm running it and I don't
care what you think. He's also like an emotional support
human on the road. And we're going to states I've
never he's from Arkadelphia. We met when I was in
school at Henderson and we've never been to Maine, and
you know, all these places, and we're getting to do

(49:04):
that together. And so that's another, like, it's just it's
constantly fighting what I think this has to be like,
And for the first time ever, I'm like, what what
if I could just make all my own damn rules.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
So my wife is great about sometimes separating me from
the because it's not reality, but from what I think
is reality, yes, and her going, hey, that's not real world.
You you know, I know you're concerned about this, but
that's actually not really what matters the most, Like there

(49:38):
are fundamental things that we should care about, and this
is not one of them. You're spending way too much
time invested in something that doesn't matter a lick or
even goals. Like I'm at my wife and you know,
she has no interest in this business. She does not
want to be public. She is, you know, somebody comes
from like she did, like a oil and gas commodity.
So everything with her is she's very, very smart, but

(49:59):
lending you. And so I am not lenear at all.
Nothing about this job is lenear. I can't do something
and just know if I do a good job that
it's going to be wildly successful. You got to do
a good job and hope or sometimes you do a
bad job and it turns out wildly successful.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
There's there's really no you know, rhyme or reason to
a lot of this.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Stuff, and especially when it comes to like family, when
it comes to things that will be here in ten years,
she resets me a lot where she's like, you are
investing a lot of emotional energy and something that's not
going to matter to you in six days, and you're
giving it a month's worth of emotional energy and it
is not going to matter to you in anything more
than six days. And for me, because she's not in

(50:41):
this world, yep, that's been great. Now there are times
where it's frustrating because she just doesn't understand, like my
brain and why it works the way it does. But
it's like a ninety three percent success rate at our
relationship and her not being in the business helping me
sometimes recenter myself.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
Yeah, and I think. I mean, I've written songs about
how I think in I've seen romantic relationships go wrong
every possible way they could. I ain't seen a lot
of them go right. But I have learned in my
own marriage, I don't think your spouse is supposed to
be your everything. You're not gonna get everything you need
out of this one person. And so I have my

(51:22):
music community of people I can talk to, and when
they're talking, I know they actually get a certain part
of it. But you know, when I want to ask
them certain questions, I know they're just as their view
is as tarnished as mine is. So then I have
my friends who are not in music at all. But
like I think, it's just about having that community around
you and not putting that pressure on your spouse to

(51:42):
be your absolute every kind of intellectual stimulation and advice
like you could ever need, because I don't think I
can't be that for him. He's got to have people
to explain engines too, because I try to act like
I know what's happened and I don't. But yeah, I mean,
it's crucial to have those people in our life, and

(52:03):
I don't. I don't know about you, but I definitely
did not think. I mean, I had chosen to be
lonely for this entire thing, because oh.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
I never thought I was going to get married. Never, No,
because I didn't think anyone. I thought people would want
to marry me just because if I got.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
There's that, there's that would you say you're not humble?
Here's an example.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
Well, listen.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
I thought everyone would. I didn't think I was trouble
bag and a girl like they right.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
I didn't because I was starting to get rich and
I was starting to get famous. Well, and that's when
it got easy and so I and so then it's
like experience, it's it's it's different, it's different.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
And I was like, Oh, somebody will want to marry me,
but they'll be never.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
There won't be anybody wants to marry me for like me,
like the actual human part of.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
Me, because we're ugly and inside and out.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Then once I found it, I was like, why what's
wrong with you to want to marry me or want
to be with me? I struggle with that for a
long time because I was like, you're actually awesome. Why
in the world would you want to be with me
whenever you can and like see the real parts of me?
And that that was a difficult, uh, like a seminar

(53:08):
I had to like put myself into. And then it's like, well,
if she loves me, why do I not love me?
Like there's got to be something here that's redeemable because
I don't feel like anything is really that redeemable about
me because I've just been doing it by myself, very
selfish really and not selfishly as I want to keep everything.
But like it was only I only cared really about
me because I was the only one to care about.

(53:30):
But yeah, I think her, her not being creative brained
like as a job, helped me tremendously.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
Like family.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
I never had a family, so her coming in with
a strong family and like, hey, this is important to me.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
And I fought it hard.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
I thought, even after we got married, like hey, I'm
just going to go off for a couple of days,
go towards she'said, well, no, no, no, we talk about this stuff,
like we both have something to say, you know, we
don't just run off, and she cares about and I
like would push back hard, like no, no, I'm an adult.
Those type of situations are eight.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
You can't oh god, don't try to hold us down.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Yeah, I challenge everything, and now she will challenge me
in the opposite direction that she actually wants because she
knows I will push back, but the actual way I'm
pushing is the way that she wants, so she'll just
it's but I do that with her being late places.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
They can spin us around. Yeah, that's the worst when
you get so vulnerable with somebody, I'm like, you can
spin me around.

Speaker 4 (54:27):
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and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
What's been going good for you?

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Well? Exposure. I think that's what I've tried to set
my sights on because I do believe in my gift
and my talent and my story. So I feel like
at this point, I'm trying to get it to people.
I know it's not for everybody, but I know it's
for a lot of people and they just don't even
know it exists, is how I feel. I've been like

(55:04):
screaming my name from the rooftops, trying to find my people.
So it feels like I've been given a few industry
opportunities lately, specifically that have put me in front of
a lot of people, and that is validation. I will
say that that getting to play like we got to
go on tour with Luke Bryan this summer, which was
the biggest opportunity I've gotten, touring twenty thousand people a

(55:25):
night that did not come to see me. Half of
them could care less I'm up there, but it is
a chance for me to if anybody is listening to
get them and to see the people that then you
have a physical thing to hang on to, Like I
see those people go follow me on socials and they
all start commenting I saw you and so and so,
and I saw you and so and so and so.
That has been something I can actually hold on to lately,

(55:47):
where I'm like, Okay, if I can get in front
of somebody, I can win them over and like. But
obviously that's discouraging too when you're like, I gotta build
them one at a time. This is gonna take me.
I'm gonna be on my wall talker at eighty years old,
like I finally a sustainable audience.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
So Luke's awesome, though, huh.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
Luke is a wild man. Luke brought us on stage
for our first night to sing with him. It was
me George, which, thank god George is.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
I didn't realize that was that's how George.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Well, you guys might not you a lot of ways.
I didn't realize that's how you guys know each other.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
George and I wrote have written songs together for several years.
But he was good buddies with my producer and one
of my best friends Paul Sykes, who also wrote a
bunch of Matt Stell's stuff. But George was out there
and Cole Goodwin and Luke wouldn't tell us what song
we were singing before we went out, and was just

(56:39):
like being so funny, like you guys better get ready,
I'm about to throw you in the fire. And so
everyone's just kind of like, oh, and that's again I'm
grateful for the resilience, because I was like, Luke Brian,
I have been waiting on this moment my whole damn life.
You do whatever you think you need to do. You're
not finna scare me or embarrass me. I am finna
blow your mind. Let's go. And luckily I know just

(57:01):
about every song that's ever existed. I'm that's where a
lot of my common sense was supposed to be. I'm afraid.
But we got out there and we did pick up
man and and nobody knew what verse. We were all
just like, I mean, can you imagine, like it's chaos
and there's twenty thousand people screaming and Luke Bryan, who
you haven't even met, is here and he just looks

(57:23):
at you and you're like, all right, take the verse
we did that one we did courtesy of the Red, White,
and Blue, and he like lifts me up and puts
me on a speaker and has me do the big note,
and I'm just like I'm ready, I'm ready, and then
he goes into living on a Prayer. Bon Jovi and
George Burge and Cole Good when both look at me

(57:44):
and panic and they're like, oh no, I don't know
this one. And I'm like, step aside, boys, and I
got my friends skirt on, and I'm like, here I go,
and me and Luke just like rocked it and it
was all out of body. But that's the only way
this stuff comes to me is I get no prep
I don't get to like I could knock it out

(58:06):
of the park if I could be prepared for the opportunities.
But that's never how they come to me. They are like,
you better be ready, and you better just believe that
it ain't going to be perfect, but you're meant for
the opportunity when it hits you. And so that Looke
tour was like that, and I studied him so close,
and you talk about a crew that's like been together.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
A long time and so really good people.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
That's where I'm at is it's important to know how
to build your team, and especially when you have the
personalities we do, like I am difficult in a lot
of ways. I have really high expectations for myself and
that transfers to the people around me. And I don't
know how that works out for me because I can't
expect everyone around me to have the same absolute insanity

(58:49):
work ethic. But I do have to make sure I
like have my people that match me in the same way.
I guess you have found something like that in your
team that you've built.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
Did you ever do the Barn thing where you just
sing all the covers all the time?

Speaker 1 (59:03):
Nope. I started chasing a publishing deal as soon as
I got here because I was in a friend group
of people who never did the Broadway thing. They were
session musicians and staff songwriters, and I was convinced if
I got down on Broadway it was going to take
me away from my original career and then I would
get sucked into it. Yeah, which now I don't. I

(59:25):
think everybody has their own path. I don't think there's
anything wrong with Broadway. I think those are some of
the best performers. You're ever going to see because they
have done it, they could do it in their sleep.
They're entertaining a crowd, a party crowd, every day. So
I think there are skills you can only learn on Broadway.
But yeah, I just I worked. I folded panties at
Victoria's Secret instead of playing cover gigs, and built my

(59:48):
catalog of songs.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Which one of these songs because I was your your
EP's your name, it's Sele's self title? Which one of
the songs? And maybe they're in for places has the
most traction? And are they different? Because sometimes you know,
it'll something I'll blow up on TikTok and really won't
do much on Instagram, but it'll stream it and like
where's all that set?

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Well, that's the thing is it depends where where the
traction is. Like my mom called me two days ago
and goes, how's the EP doing? And I was like,
in what context? Because I don't even know how to
answer that these days.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
And that was even a hard question to ask because
now I know what you mean. It can be SI,
there can be a we'll just do a song. There
can be a song like will mister fix it? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
Yeah, mister fix it was a TikTok pop off.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
For sure, it crushes and you're like, man, I really
thought it would do.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Better, but streams don't reflect it yet, right. But I
had three thousand uh you know ugcs within two hours
of posting that song with me singing it in my
car before I ever recorded it for the first time,
like that kind of engagement, but it doesn't translate to streams.
And then my song I better go off. The ep

(01:01:00):
I hear just got out to Diehard Countries Women of
Country which way, that's me my first time to have
a song played on them.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
You're welcome radio.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Yeah, well, thank you sir. That is a gigantic deal
for me. And so that song is showing it's you know,
raising a hand. The Highway just added it to on
the horizon. This is my first song to ever have
on the Highway. And I've been beating these doors down
for ten years in this town.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
So it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
One can do one place and another does another. But
currencies all eyeballs and earballs at this point, like it
doesn't matter how you get them.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
That drives me insane.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
Doesn't matter how you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
Get like you got to it's gotta be cool, And
like or.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
You can be so not cool that it's cool, Like
that's also cool.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
I think I just have to stop caring, yes so much,
And I'm almost there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
And I read Amy Poeler's book once and she was like, yeah,
I really made it once I stopped caring, that I
made it, and I was like, I think about that
all the time because I can't. I can get close
to not caring and just be like, f I don't care,
but I can't get there.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
But is that even healthy for people like us? If
if I stop caring, I think I'm dead in the water.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
If I stop caring, Like I have to have bankle
surgery coming up in a couple of weeks, and I'm like,
you know what, cause I stay pretty active and workout.
I'm like, I'm who cares, I'm not gonna work out
at all because I'm gonna have bankle surgery and I'm
after like a month where I'm not doing anything, so
like I don't even want to walk anywhere now, not
because I'm e cool, because.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
I'm like that's too much exercise.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Like when I don't care about something at all, it's
like I don't even I don't think.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
So if I stop caring. I think I just won't
do anything.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
Yeah, that part of our personality is black and white,
all or nothing. We don't, which is good about us,
but also bad if we have.

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
Are you a the addictive personality?

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
Oh yeah yeah, but luckily I haven't tried any hard
drugs or I would really lock them me too.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
We should do them together.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
I'm done.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
I guess I'm heroin. I bring it in for the
first time for both of us.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
I think we should do meth or something to nod to.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Our art, not to all the trailers and campers that
blew up from where we're from.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
I am proud that we both made it out with
auto meth addiction.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
That is, you know, I understand what's you know?

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
The wild thing about that is when people talk about
the opioid crisis like it's to me and like I
get it. I understand why and how people get addicted
to opioids.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
They're cheap.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
Life sucks, and why would you not make it life
feel good for a couple of minutes cheaply when life
sucks so.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
Bad, especially when you're doctor prescribed it to you because
you had a surgery, and then they are making money
and like there's a whole crooked system. But that's the
kind of stuff I make music about. Like that is
why my story is so important and why I feel
so convicted to keep writing songs and get them out
to people and do all this fruit through glam and

(01:03:43):
part of this that I hate. I'm a horrible girl.
I hate all of that showman politician stuff. But I
believe I got something to say, and I believe I
can make people feel understood or less alone or something
that I'm searching for, and so I think that's somehow
the motivation. But I sing about that stuff. I have
a song called Leave that's begging my dad to leave

(01:04:06):
my mom, never ever look back, just take your shit
and get gone. And I thought that was so personal
and people are able to put all their own stories
into it. And I've sing about the drug addiction. You
know that's I have friends that were born into it
and had no chance in hell of ever not becoming
an addict. There was no way unless they took off
on foot and never came back. They were born into

(01:04:28):
it and there was no way around it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
When you say that, I had one of those type
moments when I wrote my first book and I wrote
a lot about different parts of my life growing up,
and I was there's a fine line between sharing and
being embarrassed of it. And I wrote some stuff and
I really had to consider if I wanted to put
it in. But I wanted to be completely honest with
my story, so I'll put it in. I felt like

(01:04:50):
it wouldn't have represented me as a whole package. How
to not put these certain stories in the book? And
a lot of it was my mom's drug abuse and
a lot of the situations that happened from that, not
even just the drugs. And I was like, man, I
don't people to feel sorry for me either. But it
turns out it was the exact opposite the things I
thought nobody would relate to. It wasn't even they exactly

(01:05:10):
lived the same life or had the same shared experience,
but it was very similar. And they'd say, hey, I
read your book. You know what really struck me? And
it would be that one or two things. I'd be
really it was almost embarrassed about writing that I thought
nobody would relate to. Either they would think I was weird,
or they would feel sorry for me. I didn't want either,
And it turns out that was the most relatable thing

(01:05:31):
that I could have written. And that was a real
learning lesson for me because I did it and it
felt really uncomfortable. But then and I thought, nobody relates
except everybody. Everybody that I would talk to would be like,
that's like the main thing. So when you say that
about songs and you're going, man, it feels super personal
and people are like they've assigned their own story to
your songs very similar.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Yeah, and even the validation you get because sometimes it's
not even about the song or like, like I talk
about how your journey inspired me. That is something I'm
starting to learn is the bravery that I have to
potentially fail at this over and over again. People have
told me that inspires them that when they're like, I'm

(01:06:13):
scared to take this tiny step, Like your story and
your just dream chasing and audacity has inspired me to
ask for a raise at my job for a random
example in my head. But like, it is way bigger
than you and I could even fathom the way that
we are truly able to affect people. And that's an

(01:06:35):
enormous amount of pressure that can crush me on some days,
and some days it's like this is magic we truly
have a magical power if we can figure out how
to harness it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
We have perspective, and we didn't want it, we got it. Yep,
we would I wouldn't have signed up for it. I
wouldn't have gone up.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
You know, everybody about to be born. Here's what's up.
Sign over this line.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
You can get dash of abandonment.

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
I think I want to not signed up for any
of that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
But you know, we took what was handed to us,
and so far you know where they say we we uh,
what are they?

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
We're making the money?

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Yeah, well there's another one a little little grosser than that.
But yes, well look, it's super awesome to get to
spend some time with you again. You come highly recommended,
not from people going which is a great singer, because
everybody's a great singer.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
Here you are you know that you're really good.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
You're great even, but like people that really like you,
and like I said, you have to be liked. And
my friends that I trust, George just wanted them.

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
There's a few of them.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
I don't need to say them all here, but we're like, hey,
you should talk to me. She's really amazing, and so yeah,
I see it now.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
I was going to say, what's your verdict?

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
Honest, people, my verdict doesn't matter, is what my verdict is.
But like, I'm rooting for you. That's my verdict.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
That's amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
I'm rooting for you because.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Man, it sucks and it's hard and it's awesome and
all of that, all that can be true. I think
my wife taught me that that multiple things can be
true at once. Yeah, I definitely did not think that
it was it was only one way. I was gonna
sign myself to the way. Whatever it was was the way,
and that's it. But multiple things can be true at once,
and it's really hard and it's really awesome in some

(01:08:12):
days more than others, and both can be true at
the same time. Yeah, congratulations on everything.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
Thank you so much for having me. Amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
What's up?

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
So, what's what's I hate this question because I get
asked it and there's not a good answer to it.
But I'm gonna ask it to you because it's miserable, Like,
what's what's next.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
Well, we're gonna keep touring our butts off, and anybody
who will call me and take me on tour, I'm
gonna be out there. We're going to see to see
the first time, so we'll go overseas and super excited
about that. I want to make my first record so desperately.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
Does this not count because an EP who cares about records?

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
This is I care about a record?

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Well, that's because, oh this is perfect. We're gonna do
five more minutes on this, Because why do you care.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
About a record? Because you've always cared about a record?

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
Because I care about having your attention for more than
three and a half minutes, because I got a bigger
story to tell, and I feel like the small gaps
of like, and I know our attention spans. You can't
keep my attention for longer than that. Like, But I
think it's if.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
You always wanted a record for fifteen years.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
Yeah, I want to leave a record behind.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
Okay, I've always wanted to host an award show. My
wife came to me, and I would just get want
to like stab my eyeballs out with a fork when
I wouldn't get the job hosting the awards, or I
would get a job and they'd pull it, or you know,
with the ACMs, I'm like Reba's right hand man, but
I'm not the host, and my wife's like, I know
that's been your thing for like fifteen years, but you
do You've done things way bigger than that, and you're

(01:09:47):
still so assigned to that because it's what you like
attached yourself to fifteen years ago, and you feel like
if you change that that you're somehow a failure.

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
Like you gotta let that go. I'm not saying I
don'tant to make a record. Be awesome, to make a record.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
Your wife looking for another therapy.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
So I think she has to get me there because
I go crazy, like I'm constantly she sounds amazing, I'm
constantly miserable and going I'm miserable. It's over and with
a life you built, I'm washed up. It's craziest, it's
over all of that. But I was so assigned to
I'm going to host a freaking award show, and if
I don't, I suck. And if you don't ever make

(01:10:25):
a record and you make songs, that's awesome, you're right,
You're one hundred percent right, But make a record, like
I still want to host an award show.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
But yeah, and you'll make a record and it'll be great.
But it ain't all about the record.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
You've wanted to make a record for a long time,
and you've attached your success to making that freaking record.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
It ain't about the record, No.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
My goal for the next year is to learn to
like myself half as much as a whole lot of
people do, and believe some of the nice things they
say about me, keep being honest and vulnerable in my
music more than I'm I feel like I have been
so much, but I think I've actually been really holding
back because I'm in the same way you were, or like,
I'm terrified to let that ugly out because I show

(01:11:03):
a lot of my ugly and I'm already like people
acknowledge the rough around the edges, but I'm like, no,
I could really scare you. But I got to tap
into that. I want to keep getting less and less
of a filter and being unapologetic and honest and in
every facet of that I want. I want to make money.
I want to not be worried about paying my bills,
and I want to be able to take care of
people I love if they need me. And I want

(01:11:24):
to afford the ability to take time off if I
need it. Like, those are my goals, and so I
think you're right. I need to focus on those instead
of it's a number one song, it's a record, it's
an award show, it's somebody in this town totaling me.
I matter. I'm in the process of shifting all of
those goals.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
You'll never shift totally away from it, but at least
having the awareness that that shouldn't always be the focus.

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
Because I'm the same.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
I still want all the same stuff, but I when
I don't get it, I can go. You've assigned too
much value to it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
It took me ten years, but I'm getting there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
Oh you're in ten more years, you'll be like and
I was such You're like I was so naive even
ten years ago. I'm proud of you. I'm proud for you.
I'm not proud of you. I'm proud for you. There's
a difference and make a record. I can't wait for
you make a record, but that I hope that's not
what you're assigned to as far as like that success
is making a record.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
I think you made a record. You have five songs.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
Yeah, I'm super proud of it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
Yeah, of course. Yeah, good to talk with you. Everybody
likes you that I know, and so I like you,
and I like you now. But sometimes people come in
here and I like, and then I leave and I'm like, oh,
that wasn't even really. Then, if you walk out here
with a British accent, I'm a totally feel played.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
I was about to say, if you check out anything
I do, ever, I think you don't know exactly who
I am. I don't. I would be a lot further
along if I knew how to fake it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
I believe that I used to try. I just couldn't
remember the lies I was telling, so I had to
stop lying.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
You could just see it all. It's a physical reaction
when I'm having to fake it. That's why I'm horrible
in this industry is it's like, go schmooze. This dinner
is just about getting them.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
To like you did you do radio tour thing?

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
Loosely? The last two years, every show I've played, we've made.
I kind of love that stuff, Bobby. I'm actually I'm
a people person.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
I'm not a people person.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
But I want to be real with them. I don't
want I don't want you to. You're not gonna sit
here and just lie to me and bullshit me and
me do that back. I can't do that, but I
can connect with anybody on anything. And so that's why
I have this naive thing that like I can talk
to a radio person and be like I interned at
a radio station. I went to school for radio. Like
what brought you to this? You got the same crazy
I do, and somehow a passion you're chasing. Let's bond

(01:13:31):
on that. But you got to fight people because they
have their like thing put up where it's I don't
know people. People can only be as honest with you
as they are with themselves. And that is the biggest
thing I have learned in the political networking part of this.
So I'm not good at that. And you got who
you are today. That's who I am, and I know

(01:13:54):
that with you, and that's what I respect about you.
And so when you say when you say a compliment
or something, I actually it does have more weight because
I know you don't just throw that stuff around.

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
Well, keep going, that's all. Keep going. It's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
I think you're going to continue to be an inspiration
to a lot of people who are thinking about doing
this and end up doing this because they saw someone
like you do this that didn't come from a place
where it was offered.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
I have no reason to believe this would work out
for me. I have no reason to believe I can
do this all right.

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
I'll be watching, keep watching, all right.

Speaker 4 (01:14:30):
Thanks man, Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production

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