December 31, 2024 • 49 mins
In this special episode, Bobby takes you through the top BobbyCast interviews of the year! In Part 2, we're sharing the top 5 episodes. You'll year stories from Koe Wetzel, Granger Smith, Darius Rucker, Zac Brown of Zac Brown Band and Riley Green.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Ladies and gentlemen. We are experiencing technical difficulties.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
This is the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Welcome back to the ten Best Bobby Cast of twenty
twenty four. We're doing the top five this week. If
you missed the first part, I counted ten to six.
One of them was stone Cold Steve Boston. Go back
and listen to that. Let's kick it off with number
five now, it's Co Wetzel from episode four forty eight.
I was not sure how much we'd have in common,
because you know, we like to drink and get in
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fights and I don't like either one of those things.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
But we did. We hit it off. Really liked the guy,
cool guy.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
I've seen him out now in real life and this
is a number five unexpected for me. Here's Co Wetzel
from the Best Bobby Cast of the year.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Do you feel that your lyrics are so raw and real?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
And I'm gonna talk out this question after I say
it to you that sometimes you don't even relate to
it more because in a different part of your life,
your raw and real lyrics were.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
True to you then.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
But you've gotten older a bit, You've learned things where
you can listen back to be like, man, that's so
raw and real, but I don't even relate to that anymore.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Yeah, well it's kind of like the February twenty eighth
and stuff, and that's became just blown out of proportion,
you know, stuff like that. But I mean, I wrote
that song whenever I was twenty two, twenty three years old,
and now that I'm thirty one, looking back at it,
it's like every night it's like, damn, we gonna sing
this song again. But people come to the show for
that song, you know, a lot of people come just
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to hear that song. So, but songs like that, you know,
it's Yeah, I've grown up a little bit, and I've
gotten a little bit wiser, i'd say, And the songs
that I wrote in college and how I was living
my life back then are completely different than how I'm
living my life now.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
So yeah, absolutely, like it's i don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Still raw and real and true to who that was.
Absolutely got to be a little weirdo to sing stuff
that you don't feel absolutely anymore.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
It is you your new record, though? What is it?
Speaker 5 (02:01):
When?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Tell me about that? So, what's what's that? And how
has that changed?
Speaker 4 (02:05):
It's getting into more relationship like more raw and rail
about relationships and and uh just life as you know,
pretty much from what I just said, from growing up
and in the scene and doing that kind of stuff
and and uh making that type of music to now
what I'm making, you know, and how my life has
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changed from that.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Any of these songs where they borderline, I don't know
if I want to share that much.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I don't know if I want to. I don't know
if I feel like saying it right now.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Is there any of that where it's not you listen,
You're gonna say it if you feel it, but maybe
you're like, maybe the time isn't right now.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Yeah, we held back on all a little bit of it.
There was a couple of lines and songs that we
had wrote and it was like, we really want to
go there, and then we would record them, and then
we would come back to them like let's do them
for a couple of days, like maybe not, Let's let's
hold off on it and just see how everybody takes
this kind of newer sound that we're putting out.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
And I think that makes you know, less raw and real.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
But if there are other things that are so important
to the record and that could distract from the things
that you feel are the most important. Absolutely understand going
maybe it's a time to, you know, admit I love
the Pound puppies and have a fetish, you know, because
that would be what people would attach to and not
the message of the real message of a lot of
the body of work. And that's even pretty mature to
say that as an answer a question, because a lot
of people go like, oh man, we give it to
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you straight, but you did give it straight.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
But there's sometimes that you want the straight, but now
you're weird Jesus.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Yeah, wow, what's the what's the weirdest thing about having money?
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (03:35):
Man, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Amazon, probably just get whatever you want quick. Yeah, pretty much.
I don't know. I don't know people will. I think
people were, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
It's weird. That's a that's a good question as that before.
I paid my phone bill last last week, so I mean,
I don't have a ship ton of money, so I
still got enough to live on.
Speaker 6 (03:59):
Now.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
I'm not going to play that game because I'm not
saying you're Bill Gates, but yeah, no, success now feels
to me.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
It's at a level that you haven't had yet.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Your experience, and I went, I was a trailer park kid, right.
So when I started to make money is what I
didn't have anybody I could talk to about money. And
then once I started making a lot of money, I
didn't have any talk to about money on this level.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
And then I didn't know what I was supposed to
be doing with it.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
So there were times where I was like, I don't
know what to do and it's a weird nobody feel
sorry for you.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Oh you got money now.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
It's could to be able to take care of like
you no family members and stuff like that. You know,
Like I was talking last night with a publicist and
we were kind of just going over just older things
and getting ready for the new record and release and stuff,
and we got talking about the house that I grew
up in and there's a picture for it, and she
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was like, is that really is? Like yeah, And I
grew up that there was one hundred and acres. My
grandparents were about to have a a lot of back
taxes on the bank was about to take it. So
I'm being able to come in and buy the family
of land that's been in our name.
Speaker 6 (05:06):
For over one hundred years.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
That really really cool.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
You know so uh yeah, I mean being able to
do stuff like that is really awesome. You know, if
if anybody needs something, it's good to be able to,
you know, holler at the account and be like yo, yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
When people will ask me a similar question, we're like,
what's the first thing you did?
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I bought my mama trailer and a few acres of land.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
We didn't have that, and I wanted to like remove
that that fear of her losing it constantly. And for
you to be able to do that at home, like
that's like the it was like it almost doesn't matter
what else happens that and things could be having you
get ten planes, but still like that that moment yea relatively.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Everybody, that makes you feel better than damn there anything else.
You know that that's you're able to do that, you're
financially able to do that, and that people actually give
a shit and the and enough in your music and
stuff for you know, that's how you got that money.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
You know. Do you ever feel a bit of imposter
syndrome where you're like, I'm really not as good sometimes
as people are, like like you're selling out.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
The cod thing all the time, Like yeah, I'm a
I'm like, I'm so hard on myself about everything, Like.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Like, what specifically are you hard on yourself about? The
people wouldn't even.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Well just a songwrite like songwriting.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Vocally everything, Like I'm a I'm a hard ass on myself. Like,
but I grew up like that. My dad was the
same way. He was usually hard on me, and nowadays,
whenever you know, we talk, he's like, I was the
way I was, So you wouldn't you know, have the
life that.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I have, you know, I mean boy named suit type
almost yeah, legit and uh and you know, I thank
him for that. I'm proud that he did that.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
And that's how already if I have a son or daughter,
so I'm gonna raise them, you know, I'm gonna love
him and you know, and and do everything I can
for him. But at the same time, so I'm that
you know, you know, you gotta keep gotta keep going.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
It's not all roses. I'm surprised. I like you really, Yeah,
damn you don't like nobody.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I mostly am indifferent. Yeah, there are people I just
don't hand their people at. And I thought, I don't know,
if I like Coe, like he'll probably be a dude
I would probably like him. He's fine, And I didn't
think I would dislike you. But I didn't expect to
like you because people would have They would be like, oh, hey,
co it's some people on my calendar, be like, oh,
coach come up to the house, Like yeah, do you
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know them?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
No?
Speaker 4 (07:19):
But that's the bad part, Like nobody really knows knows
a lot about me. Everything that they know is through
social media or the Internet or stories that they've heard,
and uh, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (07:32):
No.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
I like, like I can just like look at you
aside from all the performance stuff, and even when you're
talking about buying that land, like you can actually like
feel like what matters, Like at the core, what matters?
You ever write a song and cry because of what
you what you wrote?
Speaker 6 (07:50):
No.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
I got a music video back the other day though,
for a new song, and it made me cry.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
It was it was crazy what triggered you?
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Like what you don't have to say anything you don't
want to, but like what about it is?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
What made it music?
Speaker 4 (08:05):
We shot the music video back in my hometown. It
was just like shots of you know, pictures growing up
and h my buddy's headstone and video. You know, I
always go every time back home, I go, I sit there,
I drank a beer with poor beer out for him,
and I sit there and it was a shot of
that and something clicked and.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I was like, oh, I started kind of yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
My buddy were sitting there watching TV, and he was like,
what the fuck's wrong, you know, And I was like, oh, bad, dude.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
This truly got me and and I sent it to
my folks and they were like, it kind of pulls
on the hard strains a little bit, you know. And
but I don't think I've ever wrote a song cried, sure,
drunkenly cried, and just don't remember it.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
At number four is Granger Smith from episode four fifty one.
Feels like it's basically an hour long therapy session and
him talking about some strong I'm talking about losing his sun.
I'm talking about why I decided to switch to ministry
and much more. I will give a trigger warning because
we did talk about a real life moment with some loss.
So just to heads up here and if you want
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to hear the full episode again, it's episode four fifty one,
But here is Granger Smith at number four. When you
write and not so much like up toward the light,
which we can get to. But when you write Like
a River, it's very it's extremely at times personal, and
you have to re refeel things and sometimes discover things
that you didn't feel the first time. Yeah, or at
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least not fully because it was so painful that you're
not you can't take it all in all at once.
It's like a fire hose coming at you when you
write a book like Like a River, and you have
to reexperience some of the things by writing about it
or even thinking about if you're going to write about
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it or not. Difficult was that to kind of travel
back through and try to communicate properly because you've had
a little distance from it. It still sucks, but now
you're not just feeling. You've got to feel it and
communicate it and yet still take yourself through it again
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so you can't communicate it.
Speaker 7 (10:25):
When I first was kind of putting together the outline
for it, I realized early on this is going to
be more than I thought, because the first literally the
first chapter is we lose River, and then I've got
a bunch of I've got a bunch more chapters and
it's all the aftermath, really the book is really the
aftermath of losing him. And as I was doing the outline,
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and this is this chapter, then I'll say this, I'll
say this, I'll say this, and I completed it, and
I knew there was a piece I was intentionally missing
because I just didn't want to go there. And it
was the time when I was, you know, almost killed myself, suicide.
But the story wasn't complete without it. So at some
(11:08):
level I was like, my wife didn't know about it,
no one knew about it. It's like it needs to
be a chapter because this part doesn't make sense down
here without the connector. And the connector was the dark
night that I had, and so going there was something
and then not only going there, but then I called
Amber and I told her, I got to tell you.
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I literally waited till the book proposal was done and
they're going to pitch it to publishers. And the book
proposal had a chapter summaries, and as it was going out,
I was like, I better call Amber and tell her
that's how long I waited. And she cried and then
she said, well, you better call your mom. Mom didn't know,
and then Mom said you better call your brothers no
one knew about this, So it was not only writing
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it and thinking through it as I was writing it,
but then telling the world about the most embarrassing, most
vulnerable moment in my life when I almost killed myself.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
So if people were to read the book and you
didn't put that in, they wouldn't have known it wasn't in.
They still would have felt, this is impactful book, this
has taught me a lesson.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
They wouldn't have known that it was not in.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yet you put it in because to you, did it
not feel like you were being or you were giving
the honest version of your thoughts, feelings, emotions about what happened?
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Correct?
Speaker 6 (12:26):
That was?
Speaker 7 (12:27):
That was the hinge.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
That was the pivot.
Speaker 7 (12:29):
Moment in my trying to fix myself, and then that
was the pivot into surrender.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
I can't fix my Was that uh, dealing with addiction?
Was Was it a mental emotional? Like the bottom for you?
Was that the bottom that made you just made you
go If I don't go up from here, it's going
to be over over And that was it.
Speaker 7 (12:50):
I don't know how to better define a bottom, but
that's bottom as I've ever been.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yeah, why did you choose not to commit suicide, like
what was in your head?
Speaker 1 (13:04):
They says, Okay, I need to fight this.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
It's more than an urge. It urge is not the
correct word for it. But why did you not do it?
Speaker 6 (13:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (13:16):
I want to say, I want to tell you without
sounding weird, because it kind of gets a little weird.
But I'll just describe it the best I can. When
I reached this in Boise, Idaho, we were playing back
to back shows December of twenty nineteen. And you know,
when you play back to back shows, you don't travel
in between, so there's kill a lot of time the
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bus isn't moving. I went with the band and had
a few drinks way too many. Was feeling normal again.
Went back to the bus six months after losing River,
feeling okay, like feeling like a human being again. Went
to my back lounge and saw like all my self
help books, my little marijuana pin, all the little things
that I had done to create a world that to
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make me feel normal, instantly recognizing things aren't normal. Then
I realized, well, this is probably the first time I've
been drunk since I've been therapy. All this, I've put
all these barriers in place to try to protect me
from my slideshow, which is this PTSD idea of I
would just see River in the pool, floating face down.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
I would pick him up.
Speaker 7 (14:21):
His face is purple, his eyes are open, just looking
in all directions. His hair's messed up, his limbs are
dangling like a rag doll. I'm doing CPR, wondering if
I should press harder on his chest or if it
might break his bones, and then thinking maybe that's the
least of my worries right now, like all these ideas.
Then I see the doctor walk in. He tells me
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no chance. I hear those ambulances screaming down that quiet road.
I see my son Lincoln's hand on his brother's lightning
me Queen coffin his best friend's funeral. All these things
were just haunting me, not just the grief of losing
a child, but the shame and the guilt that I
was there and failed. All of it was culminating that night,
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and Boise and I had the most vivid what I
called the slide show, just panic attack, crying, couldn't stop it.
Hit that weed pin as hard as I could. I
was already way too intoxicated, and realizing there was no hope,
grabbed the nine melimeters pistol that we had in the drawer,
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put it in my mouth.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
And this is when it gets weird.
Speaker 7 (15:33):
I realized that I had I thought, a thought that
my mind didn't generate. I knew it was a foreign thought,
as if as if there was something else thinking for
me or providing information to me. I think that's the
best way I could describe it. In that moment, I
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realized I was not alone. Basically, something else was with
me that night, and I heard in the thought was
a voice that said, this is the way to rest,
This is the way to peace.
Speaker 8 (16:09):
Just squeeze the trigger.
Speaker 7 (16:12):
And it was realizing that I was under attack the
first time. It had never occurred to me in my
whole life as a cultural, nominal, religious person. Had never
occurred to me. But there was an enemy that I'd
been stalked and and it just about killed me that night.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
But to realize that there's an enemy at a time
when you're realizing button isn't really working, that to separate,
to be able to do and go this is not
me at a time and again it's a lot of
irrational thoughts are happening.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yeah, And to have the one rational thought.
Speaker 7 (16:51):
So the one rational thought caused the next thing to happen.
And that's when I said, Jesus, please save me, Please
Jesus say that just it was like a knee jerk.
It's like an old pulling back on the old Sunday
School knee jerk reaction.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
But when I.
Speaker 7 (17:06):
Said it, the slide show stopped. It's actually stopped. Everything stopped.
That weird pain that the voice. There was just enough
rest for me to drop the gun, to fold the floor,
and I just cried myself asleep on the floor of
the bus, saying please Jesus saved me. Because what changed
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was I went from shame and guilt and panic attack
to all of a sudden fear of an enemy that
I didn't even know.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
I was surrounded by.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
The fact that you can have that rational thought in
the midst of that storm of complete irrationality. To be
able to not do it.
Speaker 7 (17:49):
Is the only reason I'm sitting in this chair right now.
I would have been another statistic that you read on
the show.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
I don't really read a lot of those statistics on
me that those statics don't make me happy, but uh yeah,
to me, that is that is just wild. That again,
that is a time where you've obviously at the temporarily
lost control, yet you still felt something still got there's
still a bit of control that got through.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
That. Why it feels crazy is that.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Usually in that situation, I think a lot of people
don't have the opportunity to have or find the rational thought.
Speaker 7 (18:28):
I don't give myself credit for that because I know this.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
No, I don't either.
Speaker 7 (18:31):
I know the statistics and I know it's rare.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
And that you can even recognize the difference in the
two That is so.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
I yeah to I would be extremely grateful, and you are,
and that I think this is one of the ways
that I think I could kind of that shouldn't happen.
I don't know how you got a clear thought in
your mind went a very non clear thought time, and
I do see almost I can feel why that would
change fundamentally, right mentally the reason you do what you
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do right.
Speaker 7 (19:05):
You can't be the same person after a night like that.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Hang tight, The Bobby Cast will be right back. Wow,
and we're back on the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
And number three it's Darius Rucker back from episode four
fifty four. I can relate to Darius in many ways
more than I even knew I could. I want you
to listen to this.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
He talked about why he wants to be an amazing
dad to his own kids. There's some deep stuff here.
Darius Rutger is at number three. Did you ever get
the stage of as you're writing it, like, man, I'm
so over me, Like, I'm like, nobody cares that much.
I mean I went through all Yeah, that's like I was,
it's all about me, as writing about me, me me, I'm like, God,
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nobody cares.
Speaker 9 (19:49):
I called Clarence, my manager, and said, dude, why are
we doing this? I was like, no one's going to
buy this book. Nobody cares about my life. I was like, dude.
And then you know, you're you're worried about some of
the stuff you're put in. You're like and you're like,
am I really gonna put.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
That in there?
Speaker 9 (20:00):
And then you put it in there? And you're like,
nobody's going to care about that? You know, like even
even you know, now you know, I've written a book,
and I still like, no one's gonna care about.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
This same I had the same feeling, and I remember
being ashamed not of what I put in it, but
ashamed of the potential feelings I could have when people
were judging me, and.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
So you're, yeah, that's oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
So you're you're at the stage now where people and
it's it's so different than music though, because you're gonna
put out this book and you're gonna be like, all right,
I read it for people to tell me and texts
like for hour to read a book. Yeah, so you
just kind of they it's a slow roll of like people.
But there was a part in my first book where
my mom was struggling and she was a bad addict,
and she had called and I started to make a
little bit of money and she was like, if you
don't give me money, I love my mom, so I'm
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gonna say that.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
But there was a where she was like, I'm gonna
do porn.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
And that was really heavy and hard on me, but
it was also it made me realize how awful it
was for her, and like I knew, but I didn't
really like yeah, but when she called and threatened me
like I'm going to do porn if you don't send
me money, I had that where I was like, I
don't know if I should put this in the book,
but because of what I had to develop, because so
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I put it in with the context around it, and
I thought people are going to judge me, or people
are going But that's the thing when I would go
do shows that people would be like, not the exact
same story, but very sick. That people would be like,
That's what I related to the most. Yeah, And that
was the part I felt that I was going to
be the judge the most on was that.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Type of stuff, the really personal stuff.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Absolutely so the fact that you have those feelings like
I'm proud of you, because then that means you put
it out there.
Speaker 9 (21:38):
Oh, I put it out there for sure. This is
one thing I talk about in the book where I
don't see my dad from the time I'm like thirteen
or fourteen, twenty eight, fifteen years Nope, not a word.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
Never saw his face. Do you know where it was, Yeah,
fifteen minutes from my house. You know, he lived right
up the road.
Speaker 9 (22:00):
And never saw him fifteen years and then let him
and hits and things that start getting crazy.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
And we're playing.
Speaker 9 (22:06):
We're playing out a string of clubs and rooms that
we had booked and uh so we're playing in Charleston
at the King Street Palace, which used to be Charleston
County Hall, and I'm having dinner after sound check and
he walks in the room.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Do you know it's him?
Speaker 9 (22:22):
Yeah, Dean. Dean knew it was him before I say anything,
like Diana, Yeah, Deana Bases. We're sitting there eating and
Dean looks up and goes, oh, I mean he just
looked at me. Oh that's gotta be your daddy. Looks
just like it's like it is. And he walks over
and he talks to me and acts like really, acts
like you know. We saw each other yesterday, and I
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decided I'm gonna be the bigger man. And I was like,
you know, cause really you have so many conflicting things.
I'm like, am I gonna just blow this golf? I'm
gonna tell him, what are you doing here? I haven't
seen you in fifteen years? You know, get away? No,
I said, all right, I decided I was going to
be the bigger man. Try to develop some kind of
relationship with him. So we talked for a little while
and I give him my phone number. This before cell phones.
I give my phone number and go on the road
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for a couple of days and I get back to
my house and I check my answer machine and he's
on my answer machine. And the first message he left
me in my whole life, I haven't talked to him
for fifteen years. He asked me for fifty thousand dollars.
It was shocking. I was like, are you kidding me?
And painful and expecting me to give it to him?
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Yeah, And here you are, hopefully investing yourself back into something.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
And the first that's I like, that hurt to my
heart because that's just that's so painful.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
And I can.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Understand being mad and like I can't believe it, but
also big time because that's your freaking dad.
Speaker 9 (23:40):
Yeah, and maybe and you know, and when he came,
I'll never forget, like reading bread it back of course,
like we were talking about it hurts, you know, therapeutic,
and I'll never forget after him coming and us going
on the road, how I just felt like.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
Okay, cool, now, Dad and I we're going to have
a relationship.
Speaker 9 (23:54):
We'll try to have some kind of salvage something for
father and son relationship out of this. And that was
the first thing he asked. He asked me, and I
don't think we've ever really had a conversation after that.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Is he still alive?
Speaker 6 (24:06):
No, he died a few years ago.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Did you go to the funeral?
Speaker 6 (24:08):
I did? Sat in the back.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
I often thought if I wonder if I could go
to my real dad's funeral. He you know, he left
when I was six or whatever.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
Sat in the back, didn't take my kids or anything.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Wow, and uh, what was that like for you?
Speaker 6 (24:21):
It was amazing to me because.
Speaker 9 (24:26):
I'm sitting in the back and all these people are
getting up and speaking and talking about how great this
guy is, and I'm going, well, he was great to
everybody else but me obviously, which is absolutely amazing.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Why do you think that he was estranged from you?
Speaker 9 (24:43):
I think he had so many kids around town that
I was another headache. And I never complained, and my
mom never complained. So you're not complaining, you know, Oh
I don't really care.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Squeaky will.
Speaker 9 (24:56):
Yeah, that Squeak was up, so I'm not gonna come.
See you're not complaining.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
It also sucks he was so close.
Speaker 9 (25:01):
That's the thing that bothers me so much. I can't
imagine as a father. I can't imagine my kid living
five minutes fifteen minutes. For me, I literally lived fifteen
minutes from him and not seeing them for fifteen years.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
I can't imagine that.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
You and I had a conversation and the last couple
of months or so, and I was talking about my
fears of being a father, and you were very upfront
and direct, and I was like, I'm scared be a
dad because I don't have a model.
Speaker 8 (25:28):
My dad sucked.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
I don't want to be that.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
I feel like there could be that inside of me,
just because it was inside of him.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
And you were like nope.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
And then you used you as an example, which is
the best example, because it's not you going why this
guy didn't have a dad and now look at him?
Speaker 1 (25:45):
But you were like nope, look at me. And you
talked about the love you have for your kids.
Speaker 8 (25:51):
Yeah, what is that?
Speaker 1 (25:53):
You can't explain a feeling, but explain a feeling.
Speaker 9 (25:56):
I always say that my kids know where I am
twenty four hours a day, can get in touch me
twenty four hours of day. If my phone cell phone rings,
they don't get me, there's somebody in my camp that
will find me. And that is because of my whole life.
I never knew where he was and my love for
my kids. That's why I can't understand, you know, dads
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like our dads. I just don't understand how you can
walk away from a kid like that. Because my love
for my kids, you know, unconditional, no matter what, I'm
going to be there for them and be supporting them.
And I mean I feel I think I feel stronger
because I didn't have a dad, because I didn't have this.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Because you came out on the other side with all
the tools in the strength. Yes, I bet you wouldn't
wish that on your on your on a kid, No.
Speaker 9 (26:40):
Way, no way. I wouldn't wish, especially a male kid.
I wouldn't wish a female you know, female kid too.
But like a boy growing up without a dad.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
How did you do son, male things without a dad
there to teach you those things?
Speaker 6 (27:00):
Well? Usually I didn't unless but I got lucky.
Speaker 9 (27:02):
You.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
I have.
Speaker 9 (27:04):
Five guys who I grew up with, who I've known,
like four of them I've known since I was like
six months. We grew up in the same neighborhood, and
their dads were great to me. Like I told, I
told this great story. And it's another moment where I'm reading,
I'm reading, you know, doing the audiobook, and I get
choked up. And I'm telling the story about UH losing
the championship game in our ten year old football league,
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and you know, it was a great season.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
We should have won it.
Speaker 9 (27:28):
And the last, our last game, we're all sitting we lost,
and we're sitting there and everybody's upset, and the coach goes, well,
you know, we'll see you. We'll see everybody of the
week at our father son dinner and you know, I
couldn't say anything. I didn't want to say anything there,
but I'm thinking, you won't see me, you know. And
the day of that dinner, David David Campbell's my one
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of my best friends name Squirt, one of my best
friends in the world, and his dad, I'm sitting just
sitting in my room doing nothing, you know, about thirty
minutes for the things supposed to start. I know I'm
not going. I haven't even really mentioned it to my mom.
And mister camber On he knew because he's a coach,
you know, on the on the park and Uh knock
at the door and I answered the door and he's
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standing there in a suit and tie and he's like.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
Let's go, Like, where are we going?
Speaker 9 (28:15):
He's going we're going to dinner, you know, and he
took time away from his kids to take me to
that dinner.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
And that's something I've never forgotten.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Yeah, that's like, uh making me cry here.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
No, I'm feeling the same way too, because again, without
like my best friend's dad, I would have never gone
on a vacation. Yeah, Like there were a lot of
things that he didn't have to do, and I look
back and like, why would he do.
Speaker 6 (28:39):
Why would he do that?
Speaker 9 (28:40):
Like my other best friend, Rick Johanna is his dad.
My love of golf, you know, the you know the
real reason I went to college because he wasn't gonna
let me not go. And it was just those men
realized I didn't have a man in my life and
took it upon themselves.
Speaker 6 (28:56):
To be that.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
And number two is the lead singer of Zach band
Zack Brown. He stopped by.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
I talked about playing bars for years, playing Chicken Fried
for ten years in a bar basically, and why it
took years and years and years to finish one of
their biggest songs. From episode four fifty six. Here is
Zack Brown at number two.
Speaker 10 (29:16):
I think as a kid, just being super creative, like
I would make stuff in class out of you know,
construction paper and pipe cleaners and stuff. I'd make like
little weird grappling hooks and tear up the corner of
the carpet and make a rope for it, and like,
I don't know, I was always making things, So it's
natural as my progression. And I always love to see
anyone that's really amazing at doing something, somebody that's like
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the leather worker that I have, rom Oonne, he's unbelievable.
So for Louis Vuitton for twenty years, he's when he
crafts something out of leather, it's like it's perfect, you know.
Speaker 8 (29:47):
And finding people like.
Speaker 10 (29:48):
That that are so good at what they do and
they have this level of passion that drives them to
be that kind of excellent, I wanted to like provide
a space for them to do what they do, just
like what do you need? What tools do you need?
To do this on a bigger level, so we can
make things and sell them pay for your salary, but
also be able to make things very bespoke things for people,
or make things, you know, like my plane, the whole
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interior my plane, ramone handmade every piece of the plane,
all the chairs, the panels, ceiling, the bathroom, every everything
in it. So I've always been really attracted to people
that are really amazing at something. And then what I'm
at is being a pragmatic person and going, Okay, if
I just give this person every tool that they need
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in the space and freedom to do it, what can
they create?
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Do you expect the same thing whenever it comes to
you and your music? You want them to give you
every resource to let you do your perfection?
Speaker 8 (30:41):
Yeah? Absolutely, And my band is extraordinary.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
I'm at like a record label or at whomever, because
you you know, they have to fund things. It's not
you know, there's reasons find with the label. Do you
expect them to give you the same liberty that you
give your creatives?
Speaker 8 (30:56):
For sure?
Speaker 10 (30:57):
And you know, I think if you're going to work
with the label, they have to trust you as the artist.
You know, I don't have A and R coming in
to tell me what kind of songs to write and
what it needs to sound like and be like.
Speaker 8 (31:06):
And stuff like that. Like, I create what I create, and.
Speaker 10 (31:09):
If they like it, then they're gonna you know, support it,
and they'll listen through everything that we made and say
this might be the best one for this and being
able to kind of trust your team with that. But
it's very important to me. I've been fanatically rebellious since
I was a child, to where I someone tries to
tell me what I should be, how I should act,
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to what I should I didn't get a record deal
for ten years because people came in and we're like, Okay,
we're gonna get you a cowboy hat and some boots
and we're gonna put you up. And that was the
end of the conversation for me because I knew who
I was and I was brave enough to say that's
not who I am. And I remember one time we
were selling out like five six thousand seats at places
before we had a record deal. I mean we played
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every night. I had to create a business model. So
I would go to bars, sports bars. They didn't have
a lot of music, and I'd say, I'm gonna play
here every Friday night. I'm gonna come set up and
all I want is the door, give me a tab,
give me some food or whatever, you know, give me
a couple hundred bucks in a tab for me in
mist in Georgia, Georgia, Florida, and Alabama. So my first
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ten years of touring, I did that, and I played
house gigs at the same place every the same night
of the week for ten years. But after a little
bit of time, on a Wednesday night at as Sidelines
in Kinnesau, we'd have three hundred people come in pay
a door charge, and I'd make, you know, twelve hundred
bucks at the door, and then they're stoked. Because if
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I've owned restaurants too, so you lose your ass in
a restaurant Monday through Thursday, Friday Saturdays.
Speaker 8 (32:37):
You make up for the rest of the whole week.
Speaker 10 (32:38):
But making a business, making a night of business for
somebody on a Wednesday, that's like a Friday Saturday, is
like a gold mine.
Speaker 8 (32:45):
That's that's but I would show up and play.
Speaker 10 (32:48):
We'd play four hours a night, and we'd set up
I mean, at first it was six hours a night
we'd play, but we created a business model. And if
I had been in Nashville here trying to go hunt
a gig for sixty bucks a night, you know, hustling
like that. There's a lot of people, there's so many
incredible players and things around here, but it's so saturated
it there's not a business that we created a business model.
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So we would play those places every single week and
we'd bring in tons of people, and that's how I
could test my songs that I was writing. I would
know I'd play it out like I was playing Chicken
Fried in bars for years before we put.
Speaker 8 (33:20):
It on an album.
Speaker 10 (33:21):
But I knew after playing that in front of three
hundred people a night on a Wednesday in a sports
bar that it would work. I could tell by the
reaction of what the people were doing. So they were
the litmus test of like what's working and what's not.
So six nights a week for ten years, bro just
grinding my ass off, sleeping against the window of a truck,
you know, hired a dude to drive me and pull
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my you know, covered trailer around with our shits on
sticks in it and our PA.
Speaker 8 (33:46):
System and.
Speaker 10 (33:48):
Doing that. So I didn't know how other people did it.
I didn't know there were rules or how it works
or anything like that. So it was always interesting to
me when I come to Nashville and the way people
write songs and I was writing just you know, late
at night, up after the shows that somebody's random living room,
you know. So I didn't know that people sit and
write like they'll take four sessions a day and come
in to write and do things. So I never knew
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the way business should work or how it should work.
All I knew was I'm just playing and I was
cutting my teeth. And it gave me the best like resilience,
and it also gave me this incredible appreciation for every
single person. Sometimes the dude cleaning up the bar was
the only person that was listening to me. And so
my connection to people, to I don't know, this is
(34:29):
not a derogatory thing, but like to common people, being
out there with people. So I learned to love all
kinds of people of all different abilities because you never
know how. And I can still go in the back
in the kitchen and Dixie Tavern right now and see Fernando,
the guy that was always cooking in the back of
the kitchen, and give him a hug and hang out
with him because that was my family back then.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Yeah, I don't think it's a derogatory term if you're
also one of them.
Speaker 8 (34:50):
I am absolutely one of the people, and.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
I don't think it. Man, what take this that if
you're like common people. But if it's like if I
were to call somebody hillbilly. That's okay. I come from
freaking Mountaine, Arkansas, so I can do that. But if
somebody from it's not a hillbilly for sure calls me hillbilly.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
But you have this weird.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Stew of of perfectionist.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
And creative.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Those don't often go together. What's what's the tug on that?
And who wins? Because again, the creative and the perfectionist
that doesn't mix well a lot of the times.
Speaker 10 (35:24):
Man, you know, I got a tattoo of Teddy Roosevelt
on my on my left arm.
Speaker 8 (35:28):
I think.
Speaker 10 (35:30):
The people who go do the deeds, who actually do
the things and show up and aren't afraid to fail.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
So like the arena is what you're talking about, man
in the arena.
Speaker 10 (35:38):
Yeah, So every I come back to that every time
I hear some failed New York some got some author
or writer in New York that writes something derogatory about
my album when he had a failed band and just
the only way he found a job was to write
and you know.
Speaker 8 (35:53):
Critique other people's music. I go back to that.
Speaker 10 (35:55):
Speech to the man in the arena, to Teddy, but
I wasn't afraid to fail, and that's that's the thing.
Speaker 8 (36:01):
I just you have to.
Speaker 10 (36:01):
I think perseverance is the most extraordinary thing that we
can possibly have, because if you're willing to put in
the work and grind and hustle and in an artist,
talent comes pretty cheap.
Speaker 8 (36:12):
You can find talent to people all day long.
Speaker 10 (36:14):
But the people that have the grit to persevere and
fucking get out and grind and like get on the
horse and hear a thousand people tell them that you
can't do this and don't give a shit and just
do it anyway, and just fucking keep going, keep going,
keep going, because you don't start great.
Speaker 8 (36:29):
You start where you are and you work.
Speaker 10 (36:30):
On it, and the more hours you do it, the
more great you become, and the more hours like so,
I think that that resilience for me and getting to
I didn't know where I was going.
Speaker 8 (36:40):
I just knew I wasn't gonna stop.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
But when you're creating, it could be then or now
versus when you want it to be exactly right, you're
not going to put where does that fall? At some
point you've got to have a point where I'm just
I just got to put it down and stop spending
all this time worrying if it's perfect, or the other
way where it's like, man, I am not putting anything
out until it's exactly right.
Speaker 10 (37:03):
Yeah, I've said on lyrics to songs like Goodbye in
Our Eyes as an example, we have a song. It
took ten years to find the bridge for that song
because I knew it was great, but I wouldn't compromise
and just put some lines in that rhyme.
Speaker 8 (37:18):
So if you.
Speaker 10 (37:22):
If you like the people that you're writing with and
you're creating with, which is a big thing for me
now I've just started writing with this guy in the
last year that I just love in every two or
three hours, another great song pops out, And so when
you can find the energy and synergy around that, when
you don't, I just thought it for ten years, though,
have you had it, you'd have the bridge. I had it,
but I knew that I didn't have it yet. It
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just wasn't there. But I hear songs on the radio
all the time that I'm like, they're just making that
shit rhyme, Like if you care about every line of
the song, if a song is your baby, it's like
the to me, songwriting is like the last like real
American form of poetry and trying to you know, and
some songs are are this poetic, amazing thing that's like,
you know, based on family or relationships or whatever. Some
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of them you right to just be absurd and to
have fun. So it depends on what you're going for.
But if you're looking, if you're looking for that poetry
and you're seeking it out and you're trying to find
the best line, I mean the genius in songs for me,
like simple songs like Willie Nelson was a genius songwriter
because he could say something so simple and you could
any layman person could listen to it and go, that's great.
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But if you listen to how perfectly simple that it was,
there's genius in how you do that, like boiling it
down to something so simple.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
The Bobby Cast will be right back. Welcome back to
the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
We've made it to the number one Bobby Cast of
twenty twenty four according to your likes and your interactions
and your engagement, and it is Riley Green from episode
four thirty eight, one of the most downloaded, one of
the most streamed of all of our episodes from the
year Everybody Loves Him but we talked about creativity, We
talked about him hunting, we talked about him almost not
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recording the song I Wish Grandpa's Never died. In this clip,
he shares what makes him nervous about his career again.
You can listen to the whole episode. It's four thirty eight,
but here's our number one. It's Riley Green. If I
were to ask your coach from back then today, if
I were to see him, like, what kind of work
ethic did Riley have?
Speaker 5 (39:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 11 (39:26):
I think that I was always very mindful that I
wasn't the best. So I think maybe because of that,
I tried to outwork people in some ways. I think
that that definitely carried over into my music career, is
being very mindful that there were things that I wasn't
as good as other people at, but.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
I was always.
Speaker 11 (39:48):
I was always very I had a lot in my
head about what other people thought, being like my dad
or my grandparents or whoever. It was coming to my
games and growing up in a small town. I always say,
you're very much abled accountable for how you do anything,
how you treat people, how you drive down the street.
You know, if you cut off somebody's grandmother. You're going
to see their aunt and one Dixie and they're gonna
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you know, so like that. To me, the small town
made me want to be a hard worker in sports
and in writing music and you know, building houses for
a living. That's how you get work as your reputation,
you know. I think that that's where I got a
lot of that.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Do you get any sort of flak for how old
are you know, thirty five or six? I got married
a couple of years ago, but I was thirty nine
when I got married, and everybody back home was like,
you're broken or gay because you're not married? Is everybody
where I was from was you got married at nineteen twenty?
Speaker 1 (40:38):
I mean not you.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Oh yeah, no, everybody's parents and yeah, they were convinced
the thing that I was off, like like it intellectually
or that I just they were like, it's okay if
you're gay.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
I'm like, I'm like gay, and if I was, I
would tell you.
Speaker 5 (40:51):
But I've been called a lot of things.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
But it's like I was thirty nine and you're thirty five.
Speaker 5 (40:56):
Yeah, I think that now it's probably it.
Speaker 11 (41:00):
At least everybody that knows me personally has seen what
my lifestyle is like in the sense of how much
I'm gone.
Speaker 5 (41:05):
I mean, I don't have regular relationships with my.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Friends, But what about it at home?
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Are they like Riley, well, you know, well you're not married,
because at home they don't see probably what your travel life.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
My mom didn't sue my travel life was.
Speaker 5 (41:16):
Like, yeah my mom. My mom has my calendar.
Speaker 11 (41:18):
Oh yeah, my mom has been really great about that.
It's like maybe early on, I'm sure she had a
little bit of that and was worried about me.
Speaker 5 (41:26):
You know, finding somebody whatever.
Speaker 11 (41:28):
But now I think she just knows that this is
such a timely point in my career. I've obviously been
very blessed and I have accomplished things I never thought
I would, But there's also a lot of.
Speaker 5 (41:37):
Opportunity that comes with that.
Speaker 11 (41:39):
And I just kind of had in my head when
I was going to sign a record deal to just
put my nose down and grind it out and do
everything they asked me to do anything I could for
a couple of years, which that stretched into five now.
But I think they get that, and I don't see
a lot of pressure. I think that my lifestyle is
going to have to change to where I go from
playing you know, one hundred and twenty shows a year
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to sixty.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
But what's going to make that happen?
Speaker 6 (42:03):
Though?
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Oh, what's what's a fact?
Speaker 11 (42:05):
That's a great question because I because it's you know,
as you well know, it's up to me.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (42:10):
I mean I could turn down anything I want to. Uh,
I don't know.
Speaker 11 (42:16):
I hope it's just something clicks and we get to
a place where I can say, this is the budget
for the year, this.
Speaker 5 (42:22):
Is how many shows we can go do it.
Speaker 11 (42:24):
I'm happy with making this much and this is the
career I'm going to have from this.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Uh.
Speaker 11 (42:28):
And maybe that's from you know, a lot of opportunities
not being available that are right now. I don't know,
it's it's a probably one of the more scary things
about it is knowing that with this type of travel
schedule and lifestyle, I don't really have much chance of
beating somebody, and how much things are gonna have to
slow down for me to get to that place.
Speaker 6 (42:47):
You know.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
It's also a momentum based industry very much.
Speaker 11 (42:50):
It's such a battle to stay relevant right probably now
more than ever because of all the avenues of new
music and a new artists discovery or whatever that is.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
So it feels like if you let up up by
letting something else in, regardless of what it is, if
it's you want to go away for three months to hunt,
or if you want to have a serious relationship, Like
He's like, well, if I have dedicated this is the
struggle that I went through. If I dedicate my time
to this, then this is going to suffer. And so
I was never going to get married just I was
just like, you know what, I'm never gonna have time
for it because I also I feel like I am
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I have a huge imposter syndrome, and like, if I
don't keep going, I'm never going to get back to
this level. And then I met my wife and it
was like she kind of boss me out of it,
and for the first time ever, I let her because
I was happy that I met a person that as
much as I was annoyed by it, I was more
annoyed by the fact that maybe she wouldn't be there.
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And it was the only time and I dated, But
I mean it was you know, I'd had my move
to Nashville. Holy crap, I never got girls, and I
got all the girls at once. That it was so
it was wild, and then it was but this is weird.
And then I was like, I'm never getting married.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Who cares?
Speaker 3 (43:57):
And then I met my wife and I was like, man,
I really don't want to slow down. But worse than that,
I don't want to like lose her. That's whomever I
don't even know. You're you're you never married, right, never married? No,
you're not gonna ever go. I only want to make
this much money this year.
Speaker 11 (44:13):
Yeah, I just uh, you know, it's a really funny
thing to say, probably to my buddies back home from
the outside looking in, because they're like, oh, man, rather
meet some but where do you really meet a girl at?
Speaker 1 (44:23):
You know, I mean, where do you get to invest
time in a human exactly?
Speaker 6 (44:26):
Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 11 (44:27):
And and you know, social media is probably whereas some
people would use that to meet people, it's the opposite
for me because how do you really use that, you know,
with what I do for a living. So it's it's
an interesting thing. Like I said, I've uh, I mean.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
I used it, but it wasn't for good Yeah, Like
I used it, but it.
Speaker 11 (44:44):
Wasn't for meeting somebody to marry, right, It wasn't like
long term investing. The girls I've met on Instagram probably
watched wrestling, and their mom probably let them watch wrestling,
so it would never work, or they were wrestlers. Uh,
but no, I've I've had a couple of years we've said, man,
let's take off November and and and let me, you know,
go hunt, just kind of disconnect and write whatever. And
(45:05):
we've never taken one off. So it'll it'll it'll be that.
I think that I've I've guaranteed myself a career that's.
Speaker 5 (45:12):
More than I've ever thought I would have.
Speaker 6 (45:15):
Uh.
Speaker 11 (45:16):
But at the same time, there's just so much opportunity,
and I think the only thing that makes me nervous
about my career is not making the absolute most of it,
you know, not getting every opportunity that I can.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
And but you're never gonna get every opportunity can You're
never gonna be able to get to every opportunity I
had to. I don't know if you if you go
to therapy at all, but god, dang, I thought this
was I know that's.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
What I think. It's probably what this is. They because I.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
Go to like I have, we go to a couple's
counselor and I go to my own and he was like,
because I was, I would say that. And I'm a
little older than you, so I would be like, if
I don't take advantage of everything, and he's like, you'll
never be able to take advantage of everything, it doesn't matter.
You're you're running on a hamster wheel that you can
never get to go fast enough to actually matter.
Speaker 11 (45:58):
Yeah, I think that it's little bit of an overthinking
type thing. I will say, I'm mindful that there's nothing
that I feel like I'm gonna miss if that makes sense, Like,
if my career panned out right now and it is
what it is, I can go play shows for the
next fifteen years. I would still be very excited about that.
So it's not like I'm gonna be leaving something on
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the table. I just know there's an opportunity right now.
And it's almost like, I'm sure you were the same way.
When I'm sitting around, I'm thinking, man, what could I
be doing nothing?
Speaker 5 (46:28):
That's pretty tough to explain to a girl.
Speaker 11 (46:31):
Let's say you've gone on a couple of days with
and she wants to know why you have a day
off and you want to go right or you want
to go do this or that, you know, and for
me it was hunting. That was a really hard thing
to explain, Like why would you want to go sit
in the woods by yourself after being on the road
for eighty days this year And I haven't found the
answer to that.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
You'll get kicked in the nights by a girl and
she won't care that much about you, and it'll it'll
like maybe two kicks on the nights.
Speaker 11 (46:54):
And then so my grandmother, little Jeane tells me all
the time, I'll meet a girl that will care less.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Than me, and I never believed it.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
I was like, this is old old wives tell if
you stop trying, then you'll find it.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
And I was like, that's whatever. I'm just never gonna
get married. I'm gona work. I'm be king dingling to work,
and it's it happened.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
And I still am like, really, so that's what that's
what i'm'd be And now I'm gonna laugh too.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
It's gonna be awesome.
Speaker 5 (47:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (47:16):
Well, I mean to your point, I think maybe if
you met somebody in your early twenties or me, I
wouldn't be where I am.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
So absolutely if i'd have knocked up some check at
twenty three years old, some random and trust me, don't
go and a sext me anyway.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
So it didn't happen like twice. But and I don't
mean almost knocking someone up. I mean anybody having.
Speaker 8 (47:36):
Sex with me.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
But it'd all been different, Everything would have all been different.
And so I'm glad I was a complete loser. You
don't have to agree with that because you weren't.
Speaker 5 (47:45):
That's okay.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
You're cool, you're a big athlete, you play guitar with
the grand grandpa.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
That's cool.
Speaker 5 (47:51):
A lot how many kids aren't either, So that's what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
But I'm going through an agree there.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
I'm going through the kids thing now that you're going
through with the relationship part, where it's like I don't
and with kids, I'm.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
Like, if I have a kid, I can't, I can't.
I gotta get off the road. I can't go shoot
my sports show. I can't go. But it's the same
cycle over and over.
Speaker 11 (48:09):
A kiss thing, which is is probably a backer's way
to think about it, because you should probably look at
the girl the same way as the kid. But I
wouldn't want to have a kid right now. I mean
not that I don't want children. It's just that I
know how gone I'm gonna have to tell Abs and
I would have to be and you know, I mean,
I would want to be able to have awhat normal.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Never gonna happen, you know, with you? But what's normal?
There's no normal? And there you have it.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
The top ten Bobby Cast of twenty twenty four. Next
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twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 3 (00:15):
Welcome back to the ten Best Bobby Cast of twenty
twenty four. We're doing the top five this week. If
you missed the first part, I counted ten to six.
One of them was stone Cold Steve Boston. Go back
and listen to that. Let's kick it off with number
five now, it's Co Wetzel from episode four forty eight.
I was not sure how much we'd have in common,
because you know, we like to drink and get in
(00:35):
fights and I don't like either one of those things.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
But we did. We hit it off. Really liked the guy,
cool guy.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
I've seen him out now in real life and this
is a number five unexpected for me. Here's Co Wetzel
from the Best Bobby Cast of the year.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Do you feel that your lyrics are so raw and real?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
And I'm gonna talk out this question after I say
it to you that sometimes you don't even relate to
it more because in a different part of your life,
your raw and real lyrics were.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
True to you then.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
But you've gotten older a bit, You've learned things where
you can listen back to be like, man, that's so
raw and real, but I don't even relate to that anymore.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Yeah, well it's kind of like the February twenty eighth
and stuff, and that's became just blown out of proportion,
you know, stuff like that. But I mean, I wrote
that song whenever I was twenty two, twenty three years old,
and now that I'm thirty one, looking back at it,
it's like every night it's like, damn, we gonna sing
this song again. But people come to the show for
that song, you know, a lot of people come just
(01:31):
to hear that song. So, but songs like that, you know,
it's Yeah, I've grown up a little bit, and I've
gotten a little bit wiser, i'd say, And the songs
that I wrote in college and how I was living
my life back then are completely different than how I'm
living my life now.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
So yeah, absolutely, like it's i don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Still raw and real and true to who that was.
Absolutely got to be a little weirdo to sing stuff
that you don't feel absolutely anymore.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
It is you your new record, though? What is it?
Speaker 5 (02:01):
When?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Tell me about that? So, what's what's that? And how
has that changed?
Speaker 4 (02:05):
It's getting into more relationship like more raw and rail
about relationships and and uh just life as you know,
pretty much from what I just said, from growing up
and in the scene and doing that kind of stuff
and and uh making that type of music to now
what I'm making, you know, and how my life has
(02:26):
changed from that.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Any of these songs where they borderline, I don't know
if I want to share that much.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I don't know if I want to. I don't know
if I feel like saying it right now.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Is there any of that where it's not you listen,
You're gonna say it if you feel it, but maybe
you're like, maybe the time isn't right now.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Yeah, we held back on all a little bit of it.
There was a couple of lines and songs that we
had wrote and it was like, we really want to
go there, and then we would record them, and then
we would come back to them like let's do them
for a couple of days, like maybe not, Let's let's
hold off on it and just see how everybody takes
this kind of newer sound that we're putting out.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
And I think that makes you know, less raw and real.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
But if there are other things that are so important
to the record and that could distract from the things
that you feel are the most important. Absolutely understand going
maybe it's a time to, you know, admit I love
the Pound puppies and have a fetish, you know, because
that would be what people would attach to and not
the message of the real message of a lot of
the body of work. And that's even pretty mature to
say that as an answer a question, because a lot
of people go like, oh man, we give it to
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you straight, but you did give it straight.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
But there's sometimes that you want the straight, but now
you're weird Jesus.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Yeah, wow, what's the what's the weirdest thing about having money?
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (03:35):
Man, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Amazon, probably just get whatever you want quick. Yeah, pretty much.
I don't know. I don't know people will. I think
people were, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
It's weird. That's a that's a good question as that before.
I paid my phone bill last last week, so I mean,
I don't have a ship ton of money, so I
still got enough to live on.
Speaker 6 (03:59):
Now.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
I'm not going to play that game because I'm not
saying you're Bill Gates, but yeah, no, success now feels
to me.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
It's at a level that you haven't had yet.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Your experience, and I went, I was a trailer park kid, right.
So when I started to make money is what I
didn't have anybody I could talk to about money. And
then once I started making a lot of money, I
didn't have any talk to about money on this level.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
And then I didn't know what I was supposed to
be doing with it.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
So there were times where I was like, I don't
know what to do and it's a weird nobody feel
sorry for you.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Oh you got money now.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
It's could to be able to take care of like
you no family members and stuff like that. You know,
Like I was talking last night with a publicist and
we were kind of just going over just older things
and getting ready for the new record and release and stuff,
and we got talking about the house that I grew
up in and there's a picture for it, and she
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was like, is that really is? Like yeah, And I
grew up that there was one hundred and acres. My
grandparents were about to have a a lot of back
taxes on the bank was about to take it. So
I'm being able to come in and buy the family
of land that's been in our name.
Speaker 6 (05:06):
For over one hundred years.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
That really really cool.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
You know so uh yeah, I mean being able to
do stuff like that is really awesome. You know, if
if anybody needs something, it's good to be able to,
you know, holler at the account and be like yo, yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
When people will ask me a similar question, we're like,
what's the first thing you did?
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I bought my mama trailer and a few acres of land.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
We didn't have that, and I wanted to like remove
that that fear of her losing it constantly. And for
you to be able to do that at home, like
that's like the it was like it almost doesn't matter
what else happens that and things could be having you
get ten planes, but still like that that moment yea relatively.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Everybody, that makes you feel better than damn there anything else.
You know that that's you're able to do that, you're
financially able to do that, and that people actually give
a shit and the and enough in your music and
stuff for you know, that's how you got that money.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
You know. Do you ever feel a bit of imposter
syndrome where you're like, I'm really not as good sometimes
as people are, like like you're selling out.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
The cod thing all the time, Like yeah, I'm a
I'm like, I'm so hard on myself about everything, Like.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Like, what specifically are you hard on yourself about? The
people wouldn't even.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Well just a songwrite like songwriting.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Vocally everything, Like I'm a I'm a hard ass on myself. Like,
but I grew up like that. My dad was the
same way. He was usually hard on me, and nowadays,
whenever you know, we talk, he's like, I was the
way I was, So you wouldn't you know, have the
life that.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I have, you know, I mean boy named suit type
almost yeah, legit and uh and you know, I thank
him for that. I'm proud that he did that.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
And that's how already if I have a son or daughter,
so I'm gonna raise them, you know, I'm gonna love
him and you know, and and do everything I can
for him. But at the same time, so I'm that
you know, you know, you gotta keep gotta keep going.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
It's not all roses. I'm surprised. I like you really, Yeah,
damn you don't like nobody.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I mostly am indifferent. Yeah, there are people I just
don't hand their people at. And I thought, I don't know,
if I like Coe, like he'll probably be a dude
I would probably like him. He's fine, And I didn't
think I would dislike you. But I didn't expect to
like you because people would have They would be like, oh, hey,
co it's some people on my calendar, be like, oh,
coach come up to the house, Like yeah, do you
(07:18):
know them?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
No?
Speaker 4 (07:19):
But that's the bad part, Like nobody really knows knows
a lot about me. Everything that they know is through
social media or the Internet or stories that they've heard,
and uh, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (07:32):
No.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
I like, like I can just like look at you
aside from all the performance stuff, and even when you're
talking about buying that land, like you can actually like
feel like what matters, Like at the core, what matters?
You ever write a song and cry because of what
you what you wrote?
Speaker 6 (07:50):
No.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
I got a music video back the other day though,
for a new song, and it made me cry.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
It was it was crazy what triggered you?
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Like what you don't have to say anything you don't
want to, but like what about it is?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
What made it music?
Speaker 4 (08:05):
We shot the music video back in my hometown. It
was just like shots of you know, pictures growing up
and h my buddy's headstone and video. You know, I
always go every time back home, I go, I sit there,
I drank a beer with poor beer out for him,
and I sit there and it was a shot of
that and something clicked and.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I was like, oh, I started kind of yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
My buddy were sitting there watching TV, and he was like,
what the fuck's wrong, you know, And I was like, oh, bad, dude.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
This truly got me and and I sent it to
my folks and they were like, it kind of pulls
on the hard strains a little bit, you know. And
but I don't think I've ever wrote a song cried, sure,
drunkenly cried, and just don't remember it.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
At number four is Granger Smith from episode four fifty one.
Feels like it's basically an hour long therapy session and
him talking about some strong I'm talking about losing his sun.
I'm talking about why I decided to switch to ministry
and much more. I will give a trigger warning because
we did talk about a real life moment with some loss.
So just to heads up here and if you want
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to hear the full episode again, it's episode four fifty one,
But here is Granger Smith at number four. When you
write and not so much like up toward the light,
which we can get to. But when you write Like
a River, it's very it's extremely at times personal, and
you have to re refeel things and sometimes discover things
that you didn't feel the first time. Yeah, or at
(09:34):
least not fully because it was so painful that you're
not you can't take it all in all at once.
It's like a fire hose coming at you when you
write a book like Like a River, and you have
to reexperience some of the things by writing about it
or even thinking about if you're going to write about
(09:58):
it or not. Difficult was that to kind of travel
back through and try to communicate properly because you've had
a little distance from it. It still sucks, but now
you're not just feeling. You've got to feel it and
communicate it and yet still take yourself through it again
(10:22):
so you can't communicate it.
Speaker 7 (10:25):
When I first was kind of putting together the outline
for it, I realized early on this is going to
be more than I thought, because the first literally the
first chapter is we lose River, and then I've got
a bunch of I've got a bunch more chapters and
it's all the aftermath, really the book is really the
aftermath of losing him. And as I was doing the outline,
(10:47):
and this is this chapter, then I'll say this, I'll
say this, I'll say this, and I completed it, and
I knew there was a piece I was intentionally missing
because I just didn't want to go there. And it
was the time when I was, you know, almost killed myself, suicide.
But the story wasn't complete without it. So at some
(11:08):
level I was like, my wife didn't know about it,
no one knew about it. It's like it needs to
be a chapter because this part doesn't make sense down
here without the connector. And the connector was the dark
night that I had, and so going there was something
and then not only going there, but then I called
Amber and I told her, I got to tell you.
(11:31):
I literally waited till the book proposal was done and
they're going to pitch it to publishers. And the book
proposal had a chapter summaries, and as it was going out,
I was like, I better call Amber and tell her
that's how long I waited. And she cried and then
she said, well, you better call your mom. Mom didn't know,
and then Mom said you better call your brothers no
one knew about this, So it was not only writing
(11:54):
it and thinking through it as I was writing it,
but then telling the world about the most embarrassing, most
vulnerable moment in my life when I almost killed myself.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
So if people were to read the book and you
didn't put that in, they wouldn't have known it wasn't in.
They still would have felt, this is impactful book, this
has taught me a lesson.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
They wouldn't have known that it was not in.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yet you put it in because to you, did it
not feel like you were being or you were giving
the honest version of your thoughts, feelings, emotions about what happened?
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Correct?
Speaker 6 (12:26):
That was?
Speaker 7 (12:27):
That was the hinge.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
That was the pivot.
Speaker 7 (12:29):
Moment in my trying to fix myself, and then that
was the pivot into surrender.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
I can't fix my Was that uh, dealing with addiction?
Was Was it a mental emotional? Like the bottom for you?
Was that the bottom that made you just made you
go If I don't go up from here, it's going
to be over over And that was it.
Speaker 7 (12:50):
I don't know how to better define a bottom, but
that's bottom as I've ever been.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yeah, why did you choose not to commit suicide, like
what was in your head?
Speaker 1 (13:04):
They says, Okay, I need to fight this.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
It's more than an urge. It urge is not the
correct word for it. But why did you not do it?
Speaker 6 (13:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (13:16):
I want to say, I want to tell you without
sounding weird, because it kind of gets a little weird.
But I'll just describe it the best I can. When
I reached this in Boise, Idaho, we were playing back
to back shows December of twenty nineteen. And you know,
when you play back to back shows, you don't travel
in between, so there's kill a lot of time the
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bus isn't moving. I went with the band and had
a few drinks way too many. Was feeling normal again.
Went back to the bus six months after losing River,
feeling okay, like feeling like a human being again. Went
to my back lounge and saw like all my self
help books, my little marijuana pin, all the little things
that I had done to create a world that to
(13:58):
make me feel normal, instantly recognizing things aren't normal. Then
I realized, well, this is probably the first time I've
been drunk since I've been therapy. All this, I've put
all these barriers in place to try to protect me
from my slideshow, which is this PTSD idea of I
would just see River in the pool, floating face down.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
I would pick him up.
Speaker 7 (14:21):
His face is purple, his eyes are open, just looking
in all directions. His hair's messed up, his limbs are
dangling like a rag doll. I'm doing CPR, wondering if
I should press harder on his chest or if it
might break his bones, and then thinking maybe that's the
least of my worries right now, like all these ideas.
Then I see the doctor walk in. He tells me
(14:41):
no chance. I hear those ambulances screaming down that quiet road.
I see my son Lincoln's hand on his brother's lightning
me Queen coffin his best friend's funeral. All these things
were just haunting me, not just the grief of losing
a child, but the shame and the guilt that I
was there and failed. All of it was culminating that night,
(15:04):
and Boise and I had the most vivid what I
called the slide show, just panic attack, crying, couldn't stop it.
Hit that weed pin as hard as I could. I
was already way too intoxicated, and realizing there was no hope,
grabbed the nine melimeters pistol that we had in the drawer,
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put it in my mouth.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
And this is when it gets weird.
Speaker 7 (15:33):
I realized that I had I thought, a thought that
my mind didn't generate. I knew it was a foreign thought,
as if as if there was something else thinking for
me or providing information to me. I think that's the
best way I could describe it. In that moment, I
(15:54):
realized I was not alone. Basically, something else was with
me that night, and I heard in the thought was
a voice that said, this is the way to rest,
This is the way to peace.
Speaker 8 (16:09):
Just squeeze the trigger.
Speaker 7 (16:12):
And it was realizing that I was under attack the
first time. It had never occurred to me in my
whole life as a cultural, nominal, religious person. Had never
occurred to me. But there was an enemy that I'd
been stalked and and it just about killed me that night.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
But to realize that there's an enemy at a time
when you're realizing button isn't really working, that to separate,
to be able to do and go this is not
me at a time and again it's a lot of
irrational thoughts are happening.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yeah, And to have the one rational thought.
Speaker 7 (16:51):
So the one rational thought caused the next thing to happen.
And that's when I said, Jesus, please save me, Please
Jesus say that just it was like a knee jerk.
It's like an old pulling back on the old Sunday
School knee jerk reaction.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
But when I.
Speaker 7 (17:06):
Said it, the slide show stopped. It's actually stopped. Everything stopped.
That weird pain that the voice. There was just enough
rest for me to drop the gun, to fold the floor,
and I just cried myself asleep on the floor of
the bus, saying please Jesus saved me. Because what changed
(17:27):
was I went from shame and guilt and panic attack
to all of a sudden fear of an enemy that
I didn't even know.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
I was surrounded by.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
The fact that you can have that rational thought in
the midst of that storm of complete irrationality. To be
able to not do it.
Speaker 7 (17:49):
Is the only reason I'm sitting in this chair right now.
I would have been another statistic that you read on
the show.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
I don't really read a lot of those statistics on
me that those statics don't make me happy, but uh yeah,
to me, that is that is just wild. That again,
that is a time where you've obviously at the temporarily
lost control, yet you still felt something still got there's
still a bit of control that got through.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
That. Why it feels crazy is that.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Usually in that situation, I think a lot of people
don't have the opportunity to have or find the rational thought.
Speaker 7 (18:28):
I don't give myself credit for that because I know this.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
No, I don't either.
Speaker 7 (18:31):
I know the statistics and I know it's rare.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
And that you can even recognize the difference in the
two That is so.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
I yeah to I would be extremely grateful, and you are,
and that I think this is one of the ways
that I think I could kind of that shouldn't happen.
I don't know how you got a clear thought in
your mind went a very non clear thought time, and
I do see almost I can feel why that would
change fundamentally, right mentally the reason you do what you
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do right.
Speaker 7 (19:05):
You can't be the same person after a night like that.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Hang tight, The Bobby Cast will be right back. Wow,
and we're back on the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
And number three it's Darius Rucker back from episode four
fifty four. I can relate to Darius in many ways
more than I even knew I could. I want you
to listen to this.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
He talked about why he wants to be an amazing
dad to his own kids. There's some deep stuff here.
Darius Rutger is at number three. Did you ever get
the stage of as you're writing it, like, man, I'm
so over me, Like, I'm like, nobody cares that much.
I mean I went through all Yeah, that's like I was,
it's all about me, as writing about me, me me, I'm like, God,
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nobody cares.
Speaker 9 (19:49):
I called Clarence, my manager, and said, dude, why are
we doing this? I was like, no one's going to
buy this book. Nobody cares about my life. I was like, dude.
And then you know, you're you're worried about some of
the stuff you're put in. You're like and you're like,
am I really gonna put.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
That in there?
Speaker 9 (20:00):
And then you put it in there? And you're like,
nobody's going to care about that? You know, like even
even you know, now you know, I've written a book,
and I still like, no one's gonna care about.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
This same I had the same feeling, and I remember
being ashamed not of what I put in it, but
ashamed of the potential feelings I could have when people
were judging me, and.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
So you're, yeah, that's oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
So you're you're at the stage now where people and
it's it's so different than music though, because you're gonna
put out this book and you're gonna be like, all right,
I read it for people to tell me and texts
like for hour to read a book. Yeah, so you
just kind of they it's a slow roll of like people.
But there was a part in my first book where
my mom was struggling and she was a bad addict,
and she had called and I started to make a
little bit of money and she was like, if you
don't give me money, I love my mom, so I'm
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gonna say that.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
But there was a where she was like, I'm gonna
do porn.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
And that was really heavy and hard on me, but
it was also it made me realize how awful it
was for her, and like I knew, but I didn't
really like yeah, but when she called and threatened me
like I'm going to do porn if you don't send
me money, I had that where I was like, I
don't know if I should put this in the book,
but because of what I had to develop, because so
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I put it in with the context around it, and
I thought people are going to judge me, or people
are going But that's the thing when I would go
do shows that people would be like, not the exact
same story, but very sick. That people would be like,
That's what I related to the most. Yeah, And that
was the part I felt that I was going to
be the judge the most on was that.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Type of stuff, the really personal stuff.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Absolutely so the fact that you have those feelings like
I'm proud of you, because then that means you put
it out there.
Speaker 9 (21:38):
Oh, I put it out there for sure. This is
one thing I talk about in the book where I
don't see my dad from the time I'm like thirteen
or fourteen, twenty eight, fifteen years Nope, not a word.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
Never saw his face. Do you know where it was, Yeah,
fifteen minutes from my house. You know, he lived right
up the road.
Speaker 9 (22:00):
And never saw him fifteen years and then let him
and hits and things that start getting crazy.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
And we're playing.
Speaker 9 (22:06):
We're playing out a string of clubs and rooms that
we had booked and uh so we're playing in Charleston
at the King Street Palace, which used to be Charleston
County Hall, and I'm having dinner after sound check and
he walks in the room.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Do you know it's him?
Speaker 9 (22:22):
Yeah, Dean. Dean knew it was him before I say anything,
like Diana, Yeah, Deana Bases. We're sitting there eating and
Dean looks up and goes, oh, I mean he just
looked at me. Oh that's gotta be your daddy. Looks
just like it's like it is. And he walks over
and he talks to me and acts like really, acts
like you know. We saw each other yesterday, and I
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decided I'm gonna be the bigger man. And I was like,
you know, cause really you have so many conflicting things.
I'm like, am I gonna just blow this golf? I'm
gonna tell him, what are you doing here? I haven't
seen you in fifteen years? You know, get away? No,
I said, all right, I decided I was going to
be the bigger man. Try to develop some kind of
relationship with him. So we talked for a little while
and I give him my phone number. This before cell phones.
I give my phone number and go on the road
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for a couple of days and I get back to
my house and I check my answer machine and he's
on my answer machine. And the first message he left
me in my whole life, I haven't talked to him
for fifteen years. He asked me for fifty thousand dollars.
It was shocking. I was like, are you kidding me?
And painful and expecting me to give it to him?
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Yeah, And here you are, hopefully investing yourself back into something.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
And the first that's I like, that hurt to my
heart because that's just that's so painful.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
And I can.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Understand being mad and like I can't believe it, but
also big time because that's your freaking dad.
Speaker 9 (23:40):
Yeah, and maybe and you know, and when he came,
I'll never forget, like reading bread it back of course,
like we were talking about it hurts, you know, therapeutic,
and I'll never forget after him coming and us going
on the road, how I just felt like.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
Okay, cool, now, Dad and I we're going to have
a relationship.
Speaker 9 (23:54):
We'll try to have some kind of salvage something for
father and son relationship out of this. And that was
the first thing he asked. He asked me, and I
don't think we've ever really had a conversation after that.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Is he still alive?
Speaker 6 (24:06):
No, he died a few years ago.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Did you go to the funeral?
Speaker 6 (24:08):
I did? Sat in the back.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
I often thought if I wonder if I could go
to my real dad's funeral. He you know, he left
when I was six or whatever.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
Sat in the back, didn't take my kids or anything.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Wow, and uh, what was that like for you?
Speaker 6 (24:21):
It was amazing to me because.
Speaker 9 (24:26):
I'm sitting in the back and all these people are
getting up and speaking and talking about how great this
guy is, and I'm going, well, he was great to
everybody else but me obviously, which is absolutely amazing.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Why do you think that he was estranged from you?
Speaker 9 (24:43):
I think he had so many kids around town that
I was another headache. And I never complained, and my
mom never complained. So you're not complaining, you know, Oh
I don't really care.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Squeaky will.
Speaker 9 (24:56):
Yeah, that Squeak was up, so I'm not gonna come.
See you're not complaining.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
It also sucks he was so close.
Speaker 9 (25:01):
That's the thing that bothers me so much. I can't
imagine as a father. I can't imagine my kid living
five minutes fifteen minutes. For me, I literally lived fifteen
minutes from him and not seeing them for fifteen years.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
I can't imagine that.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
You and I had a conversation and the last couple
of months or so, and I was talking about my
fears of being a father, and you were very upfront
and direct, and I was like, I'm scared be a
dad because I don't have a model.
Speaker 8 (25:28):
My dad sucked.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
I don't want to be that.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
I feel like there could be that inside of me,
just because it was inside of him.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
And you were like nope.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
And then you used you as an example, which is
the best example, because it's not you going why this
guy didn't have a dad and now look at him?
Speaker 1 (25:45):
But you were like nope, look at me. And you
talked about the love you have for your kids.
Speaker 8 (25:51):
Yeah, what is that?
Speaker 1 (25:53):
You can't explain a feeling, but explain a feeling.
Speaker 9 (25:56):
I always say that my kids know where I am
twenty four hours a day, can get in touch me
twenty four hours of day. If my phone cell phone rings,
they don't get me, there's somebody in my camp that
will find me. And that is because of my whole life.
I never knew where he was and my love for
my kids. That's why I can't understand, you know, dads
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like our dads. I just don't understand how you can
walk away from a kid like that. Because my love
for my kids, you know, unconditional, no matter what, I'm
going to be there for them and be supporting them.
And I mean I feel I think I feel stronger
because I didn't have a dad, because I didn't have this.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Because you came out on the other side with all
the tools in the strength. Yes, I bet you wouldn't
wish that on your on your on a kid, No.
Speaker 9 (26:40):
Way, no way. I wouldn't wish, especially a male kid.
I wouldn't wish a female you know, female kid too.
But like a boy growing up without a dad.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
How did you do son, male things without a dad
there to teach you those things?
Speaker 6 (27:00):
Well? Usually I didn't unless but I got lucky.
Speaker 9 (27:02):
You.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
I have.
Speaker 9 (27:04):
Five guys who I grew up with, who I've known,
like four of them I've known since I was like
six months. We grew up in the same neighborhood, and
their dads were great to me. Like I told, I
told this great story. And it's another moment where I'm reading,
I'm reading, you know, doing the audiobook, and I get
choked up. And I'm telling the story about UH losing
the championship game in our ten year old football league,
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and you know, it was a great season.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
We should have won it.
Speaker 9 (27:28):
And the last, our last game, we're all sitting we lost,
and we're sitting there and everybody's upset, and the coach goes, well,
you know, we'll see you. We'll see everybody of the
week at our father son dinner and you know, I
couldn't say anything. I didn't want to say anything there,
but I'm thinking, you won't see me, you know. And
the day of that dinner, David David Campbell's my one
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of my best friends name Squirt, one of my best
friends in the world, and his dad, I'm sitting just
sitting in my room doing nothing, you know, about thirty
minutes for the things supposed to start. I know I'm
not going. I haven't even really mentioned it to my mom.
And mister camber On he knew because he's a coach,
you know, on the on the park and Uh knock
at the door and I answered the door and he's
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standing there in a suit and tie and he's like.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
Let's go, Like, where are we going?
Speaker 9 (28:15):
He's going we're going to dinner, you know, and he
took time away from his kids to take me to
that dinner.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
And that's something I've never forgotten.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Yeah, that's like, uh making me cry here.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
No, I'm feeling the same way too, because again, without
like my best friend's dad, I would have never gone
on a vacation. Yeah, Like there were a lot of
things that he didn't have to do, and I look
back and like, why would he do.
Speaker 6 (28:39):
Why would he do that?
Speaker 9 (28:40):
Like my other best friend, Rick Johanna is his dad.
My love of golf, you know, the you know the
real reason I went to college because he wasn't gonna
let me not go. And it was just those men
realized I didn't have a man in my life and
took it upon themselves.
Speaker 6 (28:56):
To be that.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
And number two is the lead singer of Zach band
Zack Brown. He stopped by.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
I talked about playing bars for years, playing Chicken Fried
for ten years in a bar basically, and why it
took years and years and years to finish one of
their biggest songs. From episode four fifty six. Here is
Zack Brown at number two.
Speaker 10 (29:16):
I think as a kid, just being super creative, like
I would make stuff in class out of you know,
construction paper and pipe cleaners and stuff. I'd make like
little weird grappling hooks and tear up the corner of
the carpet and make a rope for it, and like,
I don't know, I was always making things, So it's
natural as my progression. And I always love to see
anyone that's really amazing at doing something, somebody that's like
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the leather worker that I have, rom Oonne, he's unbelievable.
So for Louis Vuitton for twenty years, he's when he
crafts something out of leather, it's like it's perfect, you know.
Speaker 8 (29:47):
And finding people like.
Speaker 10 (29:48):
That that are so good at what they do and
they have this level of passion that drives them to
be that kind of excellent, I wanted to like provide
a space for them to do what they do, just
like what do you need? What tools do you need?
To do this on a bigger level, so we can
make things and sell them pay for your salary, but
also be able to make things very bespoke things for people,
or make things, you know, like my plane, the whole
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interior my plane, ramone handmade every piece of the plane,
all the chairs, the panels, ceiling, the bathroom, every everything
in it. So I've always been really attracted to people
that are really amazing at something. And then what I'm
at is being a pragmatic person and going, Okay, if
I just give this person every tool that they need
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in the space and freedom to do it, what can
they create?
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Do you expect the same thing whenever it comes to
you and your music? You want them to give you
every resource to let you do your perfection?
Speaker 8 (30:41):
Yeah? Absolutely, And my band is extraordinary.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
I'm at like a record label or at whomever, because
you you know, they have to fund things. It's not
you know, there's reasons find with the label. Do you
expect them to give you the same liberty that you
give your creatives?
Speaker 8 (30:56):
For sure?
Speaker 10 (30:57):
And you know, I think if you're going to work
with the label, they have to trust you as the artist.
You know, I don't have A and R coming in
to tell me what kind of songs to write and
what it needs to sound like and be like.
Speaker 8 (31:06):
And stuff like that. Like, I create what I create, and.
Speaker 10 (31:09):
If they like it, then they're gonna you know, support it,
and they'll listen through everything that we made and say
this might be the best one for this and being
able to kind of trust your team with that. But
it's very important to me. I've been fanatically rebellious since
I was a child, to where I someone tries to
tell me what I should be, how I should act,
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to what I should I didn't get a record deal
for ten years because people came in and we're like, Okay,
we're gonna get you a cowboy hat and some boots
and we're gonna put you up. And that was the
end of the conversation for me because I knew who
I was and I was brave enough to say that's
not who I am. And I remember one time we
were selling out like five six thousand seats at places
before we had a record deal. I mean we played
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every night. I had to create a business model. So
I would go to bars, sports bars. They didn't have
a lot of music, and I'd say, I'm gonna play
here every Friday night. I'm gonna come set up and
all I want is the door, give me a tab,
give me some food or whatever, you know, give me
a couple hundred bucks in a tab for me in
mist in Georgia, Georgia, Florida, and Alabama. So my first
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ten years of touring, I did that, and I played
house gigs at the same place every the same night
of the week for ten years. But after a little
bit of time, on a Wednesday night at as Sidelines
in Kinnesau, we'd have three hundred people come in pay
a door charge, and I'd make, you know, twelve hundred
bucks at the door, and then they're stoked. Because if
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I've owned restaurants too, so you lose your ass in
a restaurant Monday through Thursday, Friday Saturdays.
Speaker 8 (32:37):
You make up for the rest of the whole week.
Speaker 10 (32:38):
But making a business, making a night of business for
somebody on a Wednesday, that's like a Friday Saturday, is
like a gold mine.
Speaker 8 (32:45):
That's that's but I would show up and play.
Speaker 10 (32:48):
We'd play four hours a night, and we'd set up
I mean, at first it was six hours a night
we'd play, but we created a business model. And if
I had been in Nashville here trying to go hunt
a gig for sixty bucks a night, you know, hustling
like that. There's a lot of people, there's so many
incredible players and things around here, but it's so saturated
it there's not a business that we created a business model.
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So we would play those places every single week and
we'd bring in tons of people, and that's how I
could test my songs that I was writing. I would
know I'd play it out like I was playing Chicken
Fried in bars for years before we put.
Speaker 8 (33:20):
It on an album.
Speaker 10 (33:21):
But I knew after playing that in front of three
hundred people a night on a Wednesday in a sports
bar that it would work. I could tell by the
reaction of what the people were doing. So they were
the litmus test of like what's working and what's not.
So six nights a week for ten years, bro just
grinding my ass off, sleeping against the window of a truck,
you know, hired a dude to drive me and pull
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my you know, covered trailer around with our shits on
sticks in it and our PA.
Speaker 8 (33:46):
System and.
Speaker 10 (33:48):
Doing that. So I didn't know how other people did it.
I didn't know there were rules or how it works
or anything like that. So it was always interesting to
me when I come to Nashville and the way people
write songs and I was writing just you know, late
at night, up after the shows that somebody's random living room,
you know. So I didn't know that people sit and
write like they'll take four sessions a day and come
in to write and do things. So I never knew
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the way business should work or how it should work.
All I knew was I'm just playing and I was
cutting my teeth. And it gave me the best like resilience,
and it also gave me this incredible appreciation for every
single person. Sometimes the dude cleaning up the bar was
the only person that was listening to me. And so
my connection to people, to I don't know, this is
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not a derogatory thing, but like to common people, being
out there with people. So I learned to love all
kinds of people of all different abilities because you never
know how. And I can still go in the back
in the kitchen and Dixie Tavern right now and see Fernando,
the guy that was always cooking in the back of
the kitchen, and give him a hug and hang out
with him because that was my family back then.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Yeah, I don't think it's a derogatory term if you're
also one of them.
Speaker 8 (34:50):
I am absolutely one of the people, and.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
I don't think it. Man, what take this that if
you're like common people. But if it's like if I
were to call somebody hillbilly. That's okay. I come from
freaking Mountaine, Arkansas, so I can do that. But if
somebody from it's not a hillbilly for sure calls me hillbilly.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
But you have this weird.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Stew of of perfectionist.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
And creative.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Those don't often go together. What's what's the tug on that?
And who wins? Because again, the creative and the perfectionist
that doesn't mix well a lot of the times.
Speaker 10 (35:24):
Man, you know, I got a tattoo of Teddy Roosevelt
on my on my left arm.
Speaker 8 (35:28):
I think.
Speaker 10 (35:30):
The people who go do the deeds, who actually do
the things and show up and aren't afraid to fail.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
So like the arena is what you're talking about, man
in the arena.
Speaker 10 (35:38):
Yeah, So every I come back to that every time
I hear some failed New York some got some author
or writer in New York that writes something derogatory about
my album when he had a failed band and just
the only way he found a job was to write
and you know.
Speaker 8 (35:53):
Critique other people's music. I go back to that.
Speaker 10 (35:55):
Speech to the man in the arena, to Teddy, but
I wasn't afraid to fail, and that's that's the thing.
Speaker 8 (36:01):
I just you have to.
Speaker 10 (36:01):
I think perseverance is the most extraordinary thing that we
can possibly have, because if you're willing to put in
the work and grind and hustle and in an artist,
talent comes pretty cheap.
Speaker 8 (36:12):
You can find talent to people all day long.
Speaker 10 (36:14):
But the people that have the grit to persevere and
fucking get out and grind and like get on the
horse and hear a thousand people tell them that you
can't do this and don't give a shit and just
do it anyway, and just fucking keep going, keep going,
keep going, because you don't start great.
Speaker 8 (36:29):
You start where you are and you work.
Speaker 10 (36:30):
On it, and the more hours you do it, the
more great you become, and the more hours like so,
I think that that resilience for me and getting to
I didn't know where I was going.
Speaker 8 (36:40):
I just knew I wasn't gonna stop.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
But when you're creating, it could be then or now
versus when you want it to be exactly right, you're
not going to put where does that fall? At some
point you've got to have a point where I'm just
I just got to put it down and stop spending
all this time worrying if it's perfect, or the other
way where it's like, man, I am not putting anything
out until it's exactly right.
Speaker 10 (37:03):
Yeah, I've said on lyrics to songs like Goodbye in
Our Eyes as an example, we have a song. It
took ten years to find the bridge for that song
because I knew it was great, but I wouldn't compromise
and just put some lines in that rhyme.
Speaker 8 (37:18):
So if you.
Speaker 10 (37:22):
If you like the people that you're writing with and
you're creating with, which is a big thing for me
now I've just started writing with this guy in the
last year that I just love in every two or
three hours, another great song pops out, And so when
you can find the energy and synergy around that, when
you don't, I just thought it for ten years, though,
have you had it, you'd have the bridge. I had it,
but I knew that I didn't have it yet. It
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just wasn't there. But I hear songs on the radio
all the time that I'm like, they're just making that
shit rhyme, Like if you care about every line of
the song, if a song is your baby, it's like
the to me, songwriting is like the last like real
American form of poetry and trying to you know, and
some songs are are this poetic, amazing thing that's like,
you know, based on family or relationships or whatever. Some
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of them you right to just be absurd and to
have fun. So it depends on what you're going for.
But if you're looking, if you're looking for that poetry
and you're seeking it out and you're trying to find
the best line, I mean the genius in songs for me,
like simple songs like Willie Nelson was a genius songwriter
because he could say something so simple and you could
any layman person could listen to it and go, that's great.
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But if you listen to how perfectly simple that it was,
there's genius in how you do that, like boiling it
down to something so simple.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
The Bobby Cast will be right back. Welcome back to
the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
We've made it to the number one Bobby Cast of
twenty twenty four according to your likes and your interactions
and your engagement, and it is Riley Green from episode
four thirty eight, one of the most downloaded, one of
the most streamed of all of our episodes from the
year Everybody Loves Him but we talked about creativity, We
talked about him hunting, we talked about him almost not
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recording the song I Wish Grandpa's Never died. In this clip,
he shares what makes him nervous about his career again.
You can listen to the whole episode. It's four thirty eight,
but here's our number one. It's Riley Green. If I
were to ask your coach from back then today, if
I were to see him, like, what kind of work
ethic did Riley have?
Speaker 5 (39:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 11 (39:26):
I think that I was always very mindful that I
wasn't the best. So I think maybe because of that,
I tried to outwork people in some ways. I think
that that definitely carried over into my music career, is
being very mindful that there were things that I wasn't
as good as other people at, but.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
I was always.
Speaker 11 (39:48):
I was always very I had a lot in my
head about what other people thought, being like my dad
or my grandparents or whoever. It was coming to my
games and growing up in a small town. I always say,
you're very much abled accountable for how you do anything,
how you treat people, how you drive down the street.
You know, if you cut off somebody's grandmother. You're going
to see their aunt and one Dixie and they're gonna
(40:09):
you know, so like that. To me, the small town
made me want to be a hard worker in sports
and in writing music and you know, building houses for
a living. That's how you get work as your reputation,
you know. I think that that's where I got a
lot of that.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Do you get any sort of flak for how old
are you know, thirty five or six? I got married
a couple of years ago, but I was thirty nine
when I got married, and everybody back home was like,
you're broken or gay because you're not married? Is everybody
where I was from was you got married at nineteen twenty?
Speaker 1 (40:38):
I mean not you.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Oh yeah, no, everybody's parents and yeah, they were convinced
the thing that I was off, like like it intellectually
or that I just they were like, it's okay if
you're gay.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
I'm like, I'm like gay, and if I was, I
would tell you.
Speaker 5 (40:51):
But I've been called a lot of things.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
But it's like I was thirty nine and you're thirty five.
Speaker 5 (40:56):
Yeah, I think that now it's probably it.
Speaker 11 (41:00):
At least everybody that knows me personally has seen what
my lifestyle is like in the sense of how much
I'm gone.
Speaker 5 (41:05):
I mean, I don't have regular relationships with my.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Friends, But what about it at home?
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Are they like Riley, well, you know, well you're not married,
because at home they don't see probably what your travel life.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
My mom didn't sue my travel life was.
Speaker 5 (41:16):
Like, yeah my mom. My mom has my calendar.
Speaker 11 (41:18):
Oh yeah, my mom has been really great about that.
It's like maybe early on, I'm sure she had a
little bit of that and was worried about me.
Speaker 5 (41:26):
You know, finding somebody whatever.
Speaker 11 (41:28):
But now I think she just knows that this is
such a timely point in my career. I've obviously been
very blessed and I have accomplished things I never thought
I would, But there's also a lot of.
Speaker 5 (41:37):
Opportunity that comes with that.
Speaker 11 (41:39):
And I just kind of had in my head when
I was going to sign a record deal to just
put my nose down and grind it out and do
everything they asked me to do anything I could for
a couple of years, which that stretched into five now.
But I think they get that, and I don't see
a lot of pressure. I think that my lifestyle is
going to have to change to where I go from
playing you know, one hundred and twenty shows a year
(42:00):
to sixty.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
But what's going to make that happen?
Speaker 6 (42:03):
Though?
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Oh, what's what's a fact?
Speaker 11 (42:05):
That's a great question because I because it's you know,
as you well know, it's up to me.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (42:10):
I mean I could turn down anything I want to. Uh,
I don't know.
Speaker 11 (42:16):
I hope it's just something clicks and we get to
a place where I can say, this is the budget
for the year, this.
Speaker 5 (42:22):
Is how many shows we can go do it.
Speaker 11 (42:24):
I'm happy with making this much and this is the
career I'm going to have from this.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Uh.
Speaker 11 (42:28):
And maybe that's from you know, a lot of opportunities
not being available that are right now. I don't know,
it's it's a probably one of the more scary things
about it is knowing that with this type of travel
schedule and lifestyle, I don't really have much chance of
beating somebody, and how much things are gonna have to
slow down for me to get to that place.
Speaker 6 (42:47):
You know.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
It's also a momentum based industry very much.
Speaker 11 (42:50):
It's such a battle to stay relevant right probably now
more than ever because of all the avenues of new
music and a new artists discovery or whatever that is.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
So it feels like if you let up up by
letting something else in, regardless of what it is, if
it's you want to go away for three months to hunt,
or if you want to have a serious relationship, Like
He's like, well, if I have dedicated this is the
struggle that I went through. If I dedicate my time
to this, then this is going to suffer. And so
I was never going to get married just I was
just like, you know what, I'm never gonna have time
for it because I also I feel like I am
(43:21):
I have a huge imposter syndrome, and like, if I
don't keep going, I'm never going to get back to
this level. And then I met my wife and it
was like she kind of boss me out of it,
and for the first time ever, I let her because
I was happy that I met a person that as
much as I was annoyed by it, I was more
annoyed by the fact that maybe she wouldn't be there.
(43:42):
And it was the only time and I dated, But
I mean it was you know, I'd had my move
to Nashville. Holy crap, I never got girls, and I
got all the girls at once. That it was so
it was wild, and then it was but this is weird.
And then I was like, I'm never getting married.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Who cares?
Speaker 3 (43:57):
And then I met my wife and I was like, man,
I really don't want to slow down. But worse than that,
I don't want to like lose her. That's whomever I
don't even know. You're you're you never married, right, never married? No,
you're not gonna ever go. I only want to make
this much money this year.
Speaker 11 (44:13):
Yeah, I just uh, you know, it's a really funny
thing to say, probably to my buddies back home from
the outside looking in, because they're like, oh, man, rather
meet some but where do you really meet a girl at?
Speaker 1 (44:23):
You know, I mean, where do you get to invest
time in a human exactly?
Speaker 6 (44:26):
Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 11 (44:27):
And and you know, social media is probably whereas some
people would use that to meet people, it's the opposite
for me because how do you really use that, you know,
with what I do for a living. So it's it's
an interesting thing. Like I said, I've uh, I mean.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
I used it, but it wasn't for good Yeah, Like
I used it, but it.
Speaker 11 (44:44):
Wasn't for meeting somebody to marry, right, It wasn't like
long term investing. The girls I've met on Instagram probably
watched wrestling, and their mom probably let them watch wrestling,
so it would never work, or they were wrestlers. Uh,
but no, I've I've had a couple of years we've said, man,
let's take off November and and and let me, you know,
go hunt, just kind of disconnect and write whatever. And
(45:05):
we've never taken one off. So it'll it'll it'll be that.
I think that I've I've guaranteed myself a career that's.
Speaker 5 (45:12):
More than I've ever thought I would have.
Speaker 6 (45:15):
Uh.
Speaker 11 (45:16):
But at the same time, there's just so much opportunity,
and I think the only thing that makes me nervous
about my career is not making the absolute most of it,
you know, not getting every opportunity that I can.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
And but you're never gonna get every opportunity can You're
never gonna be able to get to every opportunity I
had to. I don't know if you if you go
to therapy at all, but god, dang, I thought this
was I know that's.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
What I think. It's probably what this is. They because I.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
Go to like I have, we go to a couple's
counselor and I go to my own and he was like,
because I was, I would say that. And I'm a
little older than you, so I would be like, if
I don't take advantage of everything, and he's like, you'll
never be able to take advantage of everything, it doesn't matter.
You're you're running on a hamster wheel that you can
never get to go fast enough to actually matter.
Speaker 11 (45:58):
Yeah, I think that it's little bit of an overthinking
type thing. I will say, I'm mindful that there's nothing
that I feel like I'm gonna miss if that makes sense, Like,
if my career panned out right now and it is
what it is, I can go play shows for the
next fifteen years. I would still be very excited about that.
So it's not like I'm gonna be leaving something on
(46:19):
the table. I just know there's an opportunity right now.
And it's almost like, I'm sure you were the same way.
When I'm sitting around, I'm thinking, man, what could I
be doing nothing?
Speaker 5 (46:28):
That's pretty tough to explain to a girl.
Speaker 11 (46:31):
Let's say you've gone on a couple of days with
and she wants to know why you have a day
off and you want to go right or you want
to go do this or that, you know, and for
me it was hunting. That was a really hard thing
to explain, Like why would you want to go sit
in the woods by yourself after being on the road
for eighty days this year And I haven't found the
answer to that.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
You'll get kicked in the nights by a girl and
she won't care that much about you, and it'll it'll
like maybe two kicks on the nights.
Speaker 11 (46:54):
And then so my grandmother, little Jeane tells me all
the time, I'll meet a girl that will care less.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Than me, and I never believed it.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
I was like, this is old old wives tell if
you stop trying, then you'll find it.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
And I was like, that's whatever. I'm just never gonna
get married. I'm gona work. I'm be king dingling to work,
and it's it happened.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
And I still am like, really, so that's what that's
what i'm'd be And now I'm gonna laugh too.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
It's gonna be awesome.
Speaker 5 (47:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (47:16):
Well, I mean to your point, I think maybe if
you met somebody in your early twenties or me, I
wouldn't be where I am.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
So absolutely if i'd have knocked up some check at
twenty three years old, some random and trust me, don't
go and a sext me anyway.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
So it didn't happen like twice. But and I don't
mean almost knocking someone up. I mean anybody having.
Speaker 8 (47:36):
Sex with me.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
But it'd all been different, Everything would have all been different.
And so I'm glad I was a complete loser. You
don't have to agree with that because you weren't.
Speaker 5 (47:45):
That's okay.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
You're cool, you're a big athlete, you play guitar with
the grand grandpa.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
That's cool.
Speaker 5 (47:51):
A lot how many kids aren't either, So that's what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
But I'm going through an agree there.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
I'm going through the kids thing now that you're going
through with the relationship part, where it's like I don't
and with kids, I'm.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
Like, if I have a kid, I can't, I can't.
I gotta get off the road. I can't go shoot
my sports show. I can't go. But it's the same
cycle over and over.
Speaker 11 (48:09):
A kiss thing, which is is probably a backer's way
to think about it, because you should probably look at
the girl the same way as the kid. But I
wouldn't want to have a kid right now. I mean
not that I don't want children. It's just that I
know how gone I'm gonna have to tell Abs and
I would have to be and you know, I mean,
I would want to be able to have awhat normal.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Never gonna happen, you know, with you? But what's normal?
There's no normal? And there you have it.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
The top ten Bobby Cast of twenty twenty four. Next
week a new episode and if there's anyone you would
like us to have on the show, just hit us
with the DM on Instagram at the Bobby Cast. Thanks,
have a happy new year. We'll see you guys in
twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.
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