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August 24, 2021 17 mins

This is Amy’s ‘5th Thing’ (a bonus episode). ‘4 Things With Amy Brown’ comes out every Thursday, but on Tuesdays Amy shares emails from YOU. If you have a question for Amy or something our community needs to know about then please email the podcast: 4ThingsWithAmyBrown@gmail.com!! Can't wait to hear from you! 


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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Happy Tuesday. Welcome to the Fifth Thing. This is the
bonus episode to the four Things podcast, where I go
over emails that you have sent in. Sometimes I do
this alone, sometimes I'm joined by people, and today I'm
joined by Kevin. Describe your role, Kevin, I am technically
known as an audio producer here at the Bobby Bone Show. Okay,
so he's the newest to the team. How long have

(00:25):
you been on the about six weeks or so? Okay, welcome,
So just you know, breaking the ice bringing him on
the podcast. Actually, I was in Bobby's office trying to
record this and the computer wasn't working, and then I thought, well,
I could record it when I get home, but then
there's so many distractions there. So then I came into
another room where Kevin was working, and I was like, Hey,

(00:46):
I'm gonna be recording this if you want to hop on,
and then maybe you'll have insight to things that I share,
because I'm reading emails today that actually are full of
you know, suggestions or advice or just wisdom from listeners.
And like our Fourthing's community, and I love that I
learned or am encouraged by listeners that right in and

(01:07):
have things to share and then I get to read
it so that other listeners can hear it as well.
But I always start this Tuesday episodes off with a quote,
and I didn't know you were going to be here.
But it's about strong women. So I saw this social post.
I think it's from like Handale Marie is the handle,
and I thought it was so good. I saw someone
repost it in their stories and it said strong women

(01:30):
don't have attitudes, they have standards and boundaries. Don't confuse
the two. Okay, first email I'm gonna get into is
from Amanda in California. She said, Hey, me, I was
listening to your fifth Thing episode where you talked about
cancer shame and your mom's experience with her tumor. You
joked about how at the time wanting to make your
mom a T shirt that says that please high five
me because I'm walking with the tumor between my legs

(01:53):
and it hurts and I'm walking with a smile on
my face. I love that you said that because I
think this is such an important rem finder that we
never know what is going on with those around us
or what they're going through, And it made me think
of this quote by John Pavlovitz that I really wanted
to share with you. The day my father died, I
was at the grocery store buying bananas. I remember thinking

(02:14):
to myself, this is insane. Your dad just died. What
the hell are you doing buying bananas? But we needed bananas.
We'd be waking up for breakfast tomorrow morning and there
wouldn't be any bananas. So there I was, and lots
of other stuff still needed doing too, So over the
coming days, I would navigate parking lots, wait in restaurant lines,
and sit on park benches, pushing back tears, fighting to

(02:35):
stay upright, and in general always being seconds from a
total blubbering, room clearing freak out. I wanted to wear
a sign that said I just lost my dad, Please
go easy unless anyone passing by looked deeply into my
bloodshot eyes or noticed the occasional break in my voice
and thought enough to ask, It's not like they would
have known what's happening inside me or around me. They

(02:57):
wouldn't have any idea of the gaping sinkhole that had
just opened up and swallowed the normal life of the
guy next to them in the produce section and While
I didn't want to physically wear my actual circumstances on
my chest, it probably would have caused people around me
to give me space, or speak softer or more carefully,
and might have made the impossible more bearable. Everyone around you,

(03:21):
the people at the grocery store, in the line, the
people you pass in traffic, sitting next to at work
and counter on social media, and see across the kitchen table,
they're all experiencing the collateral damage of living. They're all
grieving someone, missing, someone worried about someone. Their marriages are crumbling,
or their mortgage payment is late and they're waiting on

(03:41):
their child's test results, or they're getting bananas five years
after a death and still pushing back tears because the
loss feels as real as it did that first day.
Every single human being you passed by today is fighting
to find peace and to push back fear, to get
through their daily tasks without breaking down in the produce
section or in the carpool line or at the post office.

(04:04):
Maybe they aren't mourning the sudden tragic passing of a parent,
but wounded, exhausted, pain ravaged people are everywhere every day,
stumbling all around us. And yet most of the time,
we are fairly oblivious to them. Parents whose children are
terminally ill, Couples in the middle of the divorce, people
grieving the loss of loved ones and relationships, kids being

(04:25):
bullied at school, teenagers who want to end their lives,
people marking the anniversary of a death, parents worried about
their depressed teenager spouses whose partners are deployed in combat.
Families with no idea how to keep the lights on,
single parents with little help and little sleep. Everyone is
grieving and worried and fearful, and yet none of them

(04:45):
wear signs, none of them have labels, and none of
them come with written warnings reading I'm struggling, Be kind
to me. And since they don't, it's up to you
and me to look more closely and more deeply at
everyone around us at work or in gas station or
in the produce section, and never assume that they aren't
all just hanging by a thread. Because most people are

(05:07):
hanging by a thread, and our simple kindness can be
that thread. We need to remind ourselves just how hard
the hidden stories around us might be, and to approach
each person as a delicate, breakable, and valuable treasure and
to handle them with care as you might make your
way through the world. Today, people won't be wearing signs
to announce their mourning or to broadcast how terrified they are.

(05:31):
But if you look right in their eyes, you'll see
the signs. There are grieving people all around you. Go easy.
So that's the quote, yes or the short story. I
guess I should say that Amanda sent in with her email,
and I thought that that was so powerful and just
a good reminder. Like I think of people sometimes we're
so busy and like I just passed people, especially here

(05:51):
at work, we're just kind of like in and out
and trying to get it all done that you don't
really sometimes know, like the person in the break room
that might be going through something, or yeah, in the
checkout line if you're cashier, person is kind of rude
to you, you get frustrated by it. Or I just
traveled this weekend and some people were just completely awful,
hurt people, hurt people. Do you know that saying? And

(06:13):
so now that I think about it, like who knows
they might have been traveling to have to go do
something really hard and they didn't know how to navigate
those feelings, that word grace that we all look for. Okay.
Next email is from Sarah and Arizona. Hey, Amy, thanks

(06:34):
so much for your latest episode with Chris Hansen. I
listened on my walk and it really got me pondering
on having those casual conversations with my fourteen year old.
It's hard to know what to do and how to
monitor it all for us. We took away the smartphone
from my fourteen year old about a year ago because
some of the temptations were just too much, and we
got him a gab phone. I thought maybe some of

(06:55):
your listeners might like to know about it. It looks
like a smartphone, so the kids fit in, but it's
completely dumb and it has been the best thing. While
we do have other smart things that he gets to
use on a limited basis and only at home. I
was so amazed at the things that we did in
the first few weeks that he wasn't on his iPhone
all the time. He wanted to do puzzles and play

(07:16):
board games. It was the best. He's also so aware
now when he's spending time with friends how annoying it
is that they're always on their phones, and it's made
him more aware of like how he wants to be
in connect with people. It's a small way to feel safer,
be more engaged and know he's experiencing more of life
and less of the Internet. Well, I know that there
are so many good things on the internet and things

(07:38):
that we get to do from being online. Not having
the smartphone was the best parenting move. I love how
Chris said we are to be parents, not their friends,
and sometimes it's hard to draw the line with our kids.
But I have hope that one day he will actually
thank me for it. Anyway, I thought I would share
to gab phone and it's the best. Which this is

(07:58):
me talking now, not the email sarah My. He has
a gab phone and that's what we got her. I
think it was Christmas time, so she's had it for
about eight months now, and I will say I love it.
It's great. She does have a tablet, but she has
certain apps on there where she can download, but she
doesn't have any social media. Now you're thirty, how do
you feel about kids in social media. I don't have

(08:18):
any kids, first of all, but I always tell myself,
all right, when I have kids, they're not gonna have
social media. They're not gonna be on the phone until
this age or whatever may be. Because I'm kind of
the last generation, I would say where I didn't have
an iPhone, didn't come out to like my junior of
high school. Maybe, so I grew up playing outside and
doing that whole thing, and I know what it did
for me, the good things that it did for me.
So I feel like, once I do have kids, maybe

(08:38):
we'll get that. Yeah, that'll be like the last thing
I think that. Yeah, it's easy to get sucked in.
I mean, I see how much I get sucked in
on my phone, and I'm a forty year old woman,
and I have to set boundaries for myself. And as
a kid, it's really hard because it can be addicting,
and they make the whole process addicting for the brain,
and so when you're immersed with it, it's such a

(08:59):
young age, it does make it hard to break. But
I do think that she made a good point that
there are positive things that have come from being online
and having access to things that our fingertips, which is
super cool, and we just have to like set boundaries,
And that's what Chris Hansen was just trying to make
sure that parents knew if your kids are online and

(09:19):
they are on you know, certain apps, you as a parent,
you need to be aware that predators are out there
all the time and they are good at, you know,
tricking people. They are good at grooming people. I mean,
this is what they do and so you know if
you're thinking it won't happen to your child. When I
asked Chris about that, he literally said parents need to
wake up. So I would encourage you to go back

(09:41):
and listen to that. That was last Thursday's episode. It
was about like a thirty minute chat or so, and
I just was super thankful that Chris took the time
to come on and remind us that that's still happening
out there. Predators are everywhere and now they have more
avenues to reach out to children than we could even
imagine now. Sarah and Arizona also had another part of
the email that I'll get into now, telling us about

(10:04):
um something else. On a side note, I wondered if
you ever heard of our o w R. They focus
on child sex trafficking and I think that the founder
would be a great one to reach out to or
even follow on Instagram. Tim Ballard is his name, and
he's a former undercover agent who's now on his own
with this organization and doing so much good all around
the world. Several of his missions took him to Haiti,

(10:26):
where he ended up meeting two children that he adopted.
I think you'd have a great connection with him and
maybe even someday could raise money for their organization with
a squat items. Sex trafficking happens right here in our
own communities, and I think it's another great thing to
help bring awareness to just like Chris Hansen's episode, did
kids are taken from our malls, from parks, big city

(10:46):
events all the time. Anyway, that episode really got me
thinking about that too, So thank you so much for
the fun, silly episodes that you do and also the
important and meaningful ones as well. I just bought my
fall pull over as well, Love Hay, your Friend, Sarah
and Arizona, which Yes, I'm going to check out this
organization and I'll definitely see if Tim would like to
be a guest. I've had other sex trafficking experts on

(11:09):
the show as well, and I think it's just good
to keep revisiting that every once in a while because
we can go through life and forget that this is
actually a thing that's happening all the time. Like we
have big news, dark things that are happening right now,
especially Haiti and the earthquake and then horrible weather after that,
and things going on in Afghanistan. I mean, it's just
tragic to turn on the news COVID. I mean, that's

(11:32):
been a story for over a year and a half now,
that's been completely devastating, and so it's really hard to
turn that on and see that every day. But there's
also things happening all the time that are just not
reported about because well, it's just prevalent and it's happening.
It's not like a big news story unless like a
big event happens and then people choose to focus on it.

(11:54):
So that's why I want to try to at least
highlight it for our community so that it's top of
mind and you stay on your toes and you stay aware.
But I know, Yuah Sarah, you're so sweet to buy
a fall pull over to support Haiti. Our new four
Things one. We decided to do a pre order because
of the earthquake, but we'll have them out in in
a couple of weeks, so it's not a pre order

(12:14):
where you'll have to wait a long time. We weren't
going to put them out until after Labor Day, but
I was going to share with you all an email
from the organization we're supporting there, and it's Project Meta Share,
and Jenna, who's the founder's daughter, just sent us a
text that said, we are so grateful to the Squaw community,
who are so unbelievable. Were so touched and blown away
by the incredible support from everyone, and just wanted to

(12:37):
send you a note and say thank you from some
of the patients whose lives have been saved over the
last two days. And then it was just image after
image of kids getting this medical care that they otherwise
wouldn't have gotten, like this cute, little sweet baby with
the broken leg. I'm showing Kevin some of the pictures,
and then you know, just medical picture after medical picture.

(12:57):
And then she sent a two year old named Rose
who had to have her arm amputated because she was
crushed in injuries from the earthquake and rubble, and it's
just like, that's little sweet Rose. And it's because of
organizations like Project Meta Share that are there on the
ground offering emergency medical relief to people that desperately needed.

(13:19):
I mean, there's thousands of people that they're waiting for
medical care because there's not enough to go around, and
my heart just breaks for these people. But Project Meta
Share wanted to send that as a thank you note,
and I wanted to pass it along to you because
I know podcast listeners are just huge supporters of ESPOA
and different items that we have that are going to
support Project Meta SHARE's efforts. So the last text you

(13:41):
sent was thank you, thank you for all of the
support because it makes it all possible. And it's true.
I mean, they're the ones, their boots on the ground
doing the work. But if we can come alongside them,
and I say we as like everybody listening. Like however
that looks like for you, maybe if you're buying a
pull over, maybe you're going to Project metashare dot org
and you're making a donation straight to them. Maybe it's

(14:01):
like you can't really financially afford to give anything or
buy an item right now, but maybe you can tell
your friends that do have the funds to do that,
or you can post something on your social media. Go
to Project Meta shares Instagram, which is the handle is
a meta share for Haiti number four for Haiti and
check out some of the pictures they have and repost

(14:22):
them in your stories so that people can be aware.
I've had several friends that have just reached out to
me being like, hey, I'm looking for an organization to
promote directly. These are friends that aren't necessarily on Instagram
and don't know what Espua is doing or who we
work with, but they're like, hey, can you just send
an organization my way? Or like Walker Hayes last week
has his fancy like shirts and he was selling a

(14:43):
lot of merch and he decided all last week. I
don't know if it's still going on, but he reached
out and he's like, hey, I know you work with Haiti.
I want to donate a hudd percent of proceeds of
all my merch to an organization who should I use?
And I was like, oh, Boom project meta share because
they really are doing amazing things and if you know
of any group out there. I've gotten tons of emails

(15:03):
too from other nonprofits that are looking for funding, which
is amazing and I wish I could share every single one.
I just know that personally, I've worked with Project Meta
Sharer SPLA has Mary and I both have for the
last few years now, and they're doing great things and
we're getting like text updates of it, and I just
wanted to pass along the gratitude that they have right now,

(15:24):
because it's not for us, it's it's for you and
anyone that's been supporting them. Next email is from Jessica,
Jordan and Virginia. She said, Hey, Amy, I'm listening to
the Thursday episode and had deposit when you started talking
about apples and cheese, so I could tell you about
this meal that my family is making that's amazing. We
make grilled cheese with apples, and the best combo to

(15:45):
do it with is cinnamon raisin bread and then you
make the grilled cheese with Gooda cheese and then you
slice up Granny Smith apples put it all together and
it's amazing. You have to try it. So I got
this email Kevin from Jessica, and I went to the
store and I bought all this stuff because that sounded
really good to me. Sounds amazing, Yeah, I know it was.
I'm right now and I'm passing along this, you know,

(16:07):
to everyone else, because you need to go try this.
If this combo sounds amazing to you, If it kind
of makes you want to look gag, well don't do it,
but maybe you shall. Still should do it because it
might surprise you, all right. Fourth and final email today
is from Michelle and she was sharing a quote, So
we kind of started off the episode of quote and
we'll end with one. I love when you'll send me these.

(16:28):
She said she was listening to Bob Goff's podcast and
heard a quote she wanted to share with us. If
you have a pulse, you have a purpose, and that's
from Catherine Wolf. So I'm just gonna leave that with
you all today. Keep it in your back pocket. If
you have a pulse, you have a purpose. And I
know that some days you may be walking through the
day like what am I even doing? Like I don't

(16:49):
even understand. But if you're here, then you have a purpose.
And my hope is that you're able to find it.
I'm not saying that every day. That's easy to see.
That's why I said keep it in your back It
for the days that you really just need to remind
yourself of that. Or maybe that's a quote that you
need to share with your kid or your best friend
or someone else you encounter today so that they can

(17:10):
be reminded of that as well. So thank you Michelle
for sending that in. And Kevin, thanks for sitting here
with me while I've read over the course, kind of
invading your studio space for a second. So I appreciate
you just listening with me and chiming in when necessary.
Anything else you want to say before we close out?
Um no, yeah, that's about it. Thank you for Kevin.

(17:31):
Kevin is a man of many words.

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