May 6, 2021 • 29 mins
Caitlin Crosby {founder of @TheGivingKeys and author} is on for all 4 things today talking about her latest book: Every Word Matters: The Key to An Intentional Life. FIRST THING: Caitlin's morning routine, mental health, words of the year & daily affirmations. SECOND THING: The power of words...ten words {according to Caitlin} to help you live intentionally. THIRD THING: Five ways to boost self-love and feel worthy of love. FOURTH THING: Gratitude! Caitlin shared 4 things she is currently thankful for!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Okay, little food for you. So life. Oh it's pretty bay,
it's pretty beautiful thing that for a little moth kicking
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with four Happy Thursday. Welcome to the Four Things Podcast.
I am Amy and today I am joined by Caitlin Crosby.
She's the founder of The Giving Keys and she's an author.
Her latest book is Every Word Matters, The Key to
an Intentional Life. Now, Caitlin, I noticed that you put
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key in the title of that book. So what is
a key represent to you? Oh? Gosh, keys are so
symbolic And I didn't even realize that when I started
The Giving Keys because when I first started it, it
was just an hotel key that I used. But now
in realizing that, yes, it's jewelry with different inspirational words.
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They open so many things in our lives. They don't
just open doors, they can emotionally open things that we need. Um.
They can also lock to you know, protect us. And
then the key to a home, which our mission at
the Game of Keys is to end homelessness. So that's
a little similar to I love the title of the
book too, because you know, words do matter a lot,
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and that's something I've been focusing on and that's just
an everyday conversation. Even in language, it's just so important
kind of when we're speaking to someone, especially about something
that's super serious, or maybe even how we speak to ourselves.
Words can just really matter, especially when it comes to
our mental health. So that's the first thing that we're
going to get into. I want to talk mental health.
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The second thing we'll get into is the power of words.
And then third thing self worth and how we're all
worthy of love. And then the last thing I want
you to share with us is four things that you
are thankful for today in regards to mental health. I
want to hear about your morning routine or what do
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you do day to day to make sure that you're
taking care of yourself. So I have two little kids,
have a one year old and a four year old,
So waking up in the morning a little different now
than it used to be. Before I had children, I
took for granted sleeping in morning and sleeping in But
now that I have kids, and there's obviously so many
responsibilities and I, you know, need to get them ready
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and get them dressed, your food and all the things.
And I was still controversial because I did go through
a separation, and I've been sharing that I have been
a still a mom for the first time, that sometimes
you have to do things that you have to do,
and that for me means that I put on PBS
Daniel Tiger for the kids for a few minutes so
which I know people sometimes don't like, which is fine.
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I don't really care, because I need to take five
minutes for myself to listen to a little morning devotional,
to read a little something, to get my head and
my mental health in a good, healthy, strong, intentional place
before I can take care of anybody else. That's what
they say, you put the oxygen mask on yourself first
before you can put it on anyone else. Because I
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just roll out of it and I just try to go, go,
go with the kids. I'm not going to be nice.
I'm not gonna be in a good space because I'm
tired in my mind will just go to the default,
and I think oftentimes our mind does go to the
negative or go to the default of emotion or reaction,
being reactionary, or the way that you were raised and
maybe a household. You know, it's like, no, I want
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to be in charge of my brain, not the other
way around. So I have to take that time to
read a devotional and to do a little meditation, just
do a little prayer, the serenity prayer I always do
in the morning. God grant me the serenity to accept
the things I cannot change, people, places, and things, and
the its to change the things I can, and the
wisdom to know the difference. I love that. And the
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oxygen mask analogy is something that we hear probably over
our lectum. You hear it a lot, but it really
is so powerful and it is a great example in
something that you should remind yourself of often because I
think sometimes as moms we do get lost in other things,
or maybe you don't even have to be a mom,
but you're losing yourself to other people in your life
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or just depending also to on your personality and how
you are, like you really may not be taking care
of yourself and you're not going to be of use
to anybody if you don't. And I know it's may
now so for some people if they didn't choose the
word of the year, and they might be like, oh,
it's too late, I'll just wait till next year. But
I don't think it's ever too late to have a
word of the year, and I'm just curious to see
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what yours is for this year. Yes, my word of
the year is warrior, but same thing. It changes all
the time, but that's just kind of like the broader theme.
And I always kind of look for the messages that
keep popping up in my life. And for me, um,
it was that word. Obviously, we made all the giving
keys jewelry say warrior on them. So we have like
new braces and say Warrior and necklaces and all the
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things because I want to wear them all the time
and then give them away and pass it on, pay
it forward. But for me, yeah, I think I was
going to through a hard transition in my family and
someone called me a warrior and I was like, really,
I feel the opposite of that. I feel like so
weak and defeated and like a failure and blah blah
blah um all these again negative Nancy words that no
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one really wants to live in and sit in, and like, no,
you are a warrior because you are doing your best
to fight and to fight for your family and to
fight for your mental health and to fight for a
B and C. And that is what a warrior is.
And so actually then started a thing called Warrior Chats
on Mondays where I interview people, um mostly women on
my little Instagram live just to hear warrior advice. And
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I always asked, what to being a warrior mean to you?
So that's definitely the word I've been bracing right now.
And then it keeps popping up like this one girl
on Instagram, I didn't I don't know her. One day
she said, I feel led to send you this picture
and it was a picture of four giving keys that
she had that she had been accumulating through the years,
and the way that they were sitting next to each
other on her table or something um stuck out to
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her and it said stay strong, freedom warrior. And she's like, wow,
I just realized the keys in this order spoke the
sentence on accident. And she didn't know my words warrior,
but things like that. Okay, So hearing you tell that story,
Caitlin actually just reminded me of a really special moment
that my sister and I had with a giving key,
like and sending a picture she had had this moment
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regarding our mom our. Mom passed away in two thousand fourteen,
and she had given us pure Grace body wash, and
I'm me can I. I I found the blog post real quick,
so I would love to read it for you and
then share with you kind of how the giving key
then put a bow on this whole thing. So this
is my sister's blog post from two thousand and fifteen.
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It was called how Old Over Grace. I sat on
the floor of the shower holding a bottle of white
liquid soap. My head was tilted up as streams of
warm water rained down my face, washing away fresh tears.
The cries were fewer and farther between, but they still
came at times. Grief would come in waves, they told me,
and it has. Three months earlier, we had lost our
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mom to cancer, and that day I was headed back
to her house to face the cabinets, drawers, and closets
not just of her things, but of her memory and
of my memories with her. I didn't want to go,
but more truthfully than that, I didn't want her to
be gone anymore. I looked down at the nearly empty
bottle of soap in my hand. It had been part
of a present from our mom to my sister Amy
and I, A simple soap and lotion gift set in
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the midst of the complicated twists and turns of cancer life,
a little gift labeled and branded pure grace. I remember
standing there the day she gave it to us, hugging
in my kitchen, the three of us arms intertwined, heads touching,
staring at our shoes, huddling over that simple gift of soap,
lotion and grace. Unspoken words rumbled through our minds as
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we asked someone to take a picture, not because this
was the first time we had ever huddled that way,
but because current circumstances and possibilities nod within us. We
wanted to capture how we loved each other. Not long
after that day, we were back in my home again,
This time a hospital bed was set up in my
bedroom for our mom and my house to become a
revolving door of nurses and friends and family from all over,
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stopping by each day to bring food or flowers, or
letters or candles or paper goods, drinks, to pick up laundry,
all the things. This was hospice care. This was the
unwanted end we had been fighting against. However, a beautiful,
loving end if there had to be one. Amy and
I spent most of the time on either side of
our mom our, arms sometimes intertwined, our heads, sometimes touching hers,
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huddled over the gift of grace and our mother and
clinging to the gift of grace and our God, the
grace that gave us the courage to whisper in her
ear It's okay to go home. And so I sat
on the floor of the show our gripping that bottle
of white liquid soap, that now nearly empty, bottle of
pure grace, and it registered gratefully that true grace is
never empty. My grace is sufficient for you, for my
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power is made perfect in your weakness Second Corinthians twelve nine.
And here I was sad and weak and in need
of much grace, But not the kind that comes in
a bottle, because at the end of the day we
all know that's just soap. But true grace, the kind
that helps you face loss with hope, the kind that
helps you choose forgiveness, thankfulness, and joy. The kind of
grace that gets you up off the floor of the
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shower and is never almost empty because it never runs out.
The day I sent Amy this post to review, she
sent me a picture of the giving key that she
happened to be wearing that day, and it's a picture
of the grace giving key. Sometimes our lives work like that.
So I just thought that that was like a cool
like giving key, because I remember that day I was
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wearing this white sweater with my grace giving key and
of us that thought it looked so cute, But it
just was confirmation for my sister to have that. So
I'm sure that so many people have a given key
story like that. I mean, you had one touch you
where someone sit you pictures, but I know people have
gotten to give keys that had just the right word
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that probably impacted someone's day. They were in line next
to someone and they looked back and they saw the
word hanging on someone's neck. Anyway, I just feel like
to be a woman behind a business that has made
such an impact in so many different ways, I just
think that that's really cool. And I didn't mean to
derail by reading my sister's blog post, but grace is
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another word that's pretty amazing that people could could focus
on and really try to tap into what true grace
looks like. And I love that you're tapping into Warrior
this year and you've made it a whole thing. You
made it more than just a word, like you're now
empowering others each week on your Instagram. Yeah. I get
obsessed with words, as we know, since I've made the
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Given Keys and have written two books, and before that,
I used to do music and wrote songs, which I
don't do anymore, but I just words. Yeah, They're so
powerful and just especially when we are intentional about them.
I think it's interesting because I had I was talking
to a therapist and she had me right down like
beliefs and intentions for my week, and it was it
was something simple as simple as I will live or
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I'm living an invigorated life, something like that, I enjoy
my life, so something super simple, and I wrote it
down to my journal and then I kind of forgot
about it. And then the next week when I was
supposed to meet with her, she was like, so, how
did that go, reading your affirmations or your positive intentions?
And I was like, oh, I didn't do them. I
forgot about them. And I realized this because like if
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I don't have it on a post it or if
I'm constantly looking at it, So now I have my
journal open next to my bed, so I have to
see it, and I have to see those words to
remind myself and to kind of re brainwash myself. And
then I have to look at them when I go
to sleep. Yeah, so I have to see them to
visualize them and kind of, yeah, rebrainwash yourself because sometimes
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the default is the negative and then we just forget
to think positively. And so how do you make the
affirmations a part of your daily life, just like having
them by your bedside? Or do you write every single
day or what do you do in regards to that
part of your mental health? I mean, besides what you
just shared, like it is journaling a big thing for you?
Or just simple affirmations on a post it note or
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some people do like the dry erase marker on their
bathroom mirror. I want to do that. I need to
do that one. But yeah, what I said earlier, Plus
I think, yes, just straight journaling, like right now, something
I'm going through because I feel kind of there's too
many things going on in my brain right now, there's
too many subject matters to kind of cope with that.
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I need to get it out and I need to
write it out on paper so I can see it
and I can can compartmentalize it, and I can write
my priority lists. I always like positive and negative lists,
like if there's something that I'm trying to see clearly
something about, like Okay, if I do this like one, two, three, five, Oh,
there's five on that side. Okay. But then if I
do this, there's the positives or the benefits would be
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ten things. Oh, that's good to know instead of them
just being jambled about around in my brain. So and
then in my in my new book, I have sections
at the end where their journal prompts where I asked questions,
and there's also a section where you can write positive
affirmations about yourself and turning the negative thoughts we have,
like if it's if you feel like you're weak, then
you know your positive affirmation will be I am strong,
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I am beautiful, I am capable, I am worthy. And
I talked to the therapist years ago who said, these
negative beliefs we have about ourselves, it's like a record player,
and in our brain there these grooves, and these negative
grooves get stuck in there, and they get deeper and
deeper in this record player in our brain. And how
do they get deeper and deeper, these grooves from repetition,
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from the negative beliefs, like repeating over and over and over,
and we live our lives in such a way where
we're kind of looking for confirmation for those negative beliefs.
So we're like, Oh, that person just looked at me
in that way. Oh yes, see see I am weak,
Oh see I am overweight, or see I am you know, awkward,
or no one likes me or whatever. But the only
way you can get rid of those grooves. She's like,
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you can't pray it away. She's like, you have to
create new grooves. And how do you create new grooves?
You have to create the positive affirmations, yes, and how
do they get there? And how do they get to
be as thick and deep as the original ones repetition?
So you just have to do the affirmations as much
as possible, even though you think it's not gonna work
because it's too cliche and you've heard it before and
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it maybe it seems too simple, but it's scientifically proven.
That's the only way to counteract the negative ones. Let's
talk more in depth about specific words. Don't you have
like ten words that help people live intentionally? Yeah? Every
chapter is a different word, belief, strength, brave. I have
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a little boy whose name is brave, and I have
a little girl and her name is love. So she
needed a chapter. Two, well, she didn't need a chapter,
but that word there is that word love. And we
focus on love and what that means. And we focus
on faith and the difference between belief and faith. And
I was a philosophy major in schools, so faith has
always been an interesting thing to me because I always
want to know and like I want things to be proven.
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So kind of diving into that and the word fearless
and the difference between being fearless and brave and breaking
down each one. So each chapter is a deep dive
into these words so we can better incorporate them into
our lives. And so tell me your kid's names again,
Brave and love, Brave and love. We were talking about
interesting kids names. I don't think I've ever met a
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kid named brave and love. But I think it's so
awesome that you already gave them names that are affirming
to them. They're hearing over and over and over love, love, love, Brave, brave, brave,
so they're getting that repetition in their head of a
positive word. It kind of makes you feel like I
missed out on something, my name just being amy. It's
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so funny though, that's what I thought too. But it's
really interesting because Brave is so not brave. He's like
such a little scaredy cat. It's so cute. He's such
a little mama's boy and he's afraid of everything. But
then Love, who's like almost two, She's the one that's
way more brave. She's like, I'll just jump off that
slide and jump off that thing. I'll run into the ocean,
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run into the pool. And Brave is always like, oh no,
it's too cold. That's scared. Is she loving though? Yeah,
she's love. Actually, Brave is more loving than Love. Maybe
they're hearing the other person's name more and then that's
what gets in. Or it was too much pressure, it
was too much pressure to be their name, so they
went the opposite. I want to circle back to something
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you said earlier when you mentioned the difference between belief
and faith. So can we break that down a little
bit more? Yeah, you know, I think because faith has
always been challenging for me because I want to know
and I want things to be proven. There is kind
of a surrender with that word. Like you know, obviously
people say a leap of faith, but I think a
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belief is something that you truly do believe because there's
back there, there's truth, there's a reality to it. Like
I believe this. I choose to believe this because I
know it's true and also can be believed because I'm
going to believe this about myself, like I naturally believe A,
B and C negative about myself, but I'm going to
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choose to believe this about myself. Just being intentional about
how you want to believe. But I think faith and obviously,
you know, people think about faith with God in different religions,
but it can be with like a job or your future.
It can be like you know, I don't know, I
haven't seen or talk to God. But there's going to
be a mystery aspect to faith. And same thing again,
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not just with like I wonder if God exists or
what he or she or what it looks like, but
also like I have faith that I'm going to be
okay no matter what, and I'm going to make it
through this hard season, and I have faith that my
purpose will fold. So there's definitely some similarities between the word,
but it's fun to break it down. I know. That's
why I thought it was interesting because like, even when
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I think of my own just how I use the word,
it's like, these are my beliefs. But really, I mean,
it's because I'm having faith that I'm believing. Like some
stuff you don't have the hardcore facts. Some things you
don't really know, but you know in your heart, so
then it's like your faith part and then but it's
what you're choosing to believe. So yeah, I mean I
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could see how getting really deep into that I could
take you down a long wormhole. Well, let's talk about
five ways to boost self love and feel worthy of love.
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I just got back from an intensive where I learned
that I've pretty low self worth. So I'm here for
for any tips that you have on that something that
I'm going to be committed to working on, because I
do deserve to believe in myself, to have faith in
myself to know that I am worthy. But some stuff
stems from my childhood, so it's really hard. It's been
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in there a long time. It's that record player. Have
got some deep grooves there, Yeah, such a good one.
I mean, there The list goes on and on and on,
but you know some of them. I think number one is,
like you said, childhood wounds and things that maybe you
believed when you were younger, or things that people in
your family spoke over you, or people that you're in
relationship now speak over you or make or kind of
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you realize if you're around someone that you get triggered
in a certain way. So realizing what your boundaries are
and like the people that you should or should not
have around you that you want to choose to spend
your time with. And and maybe sometimes it is like
a parent that they say a lot of unhealthy things.
You're like, I need to have a stronger boundary and
not allow myself to be around this person because it
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rubs off on me the brother, sister, lover or partner, coworker, friend, whatever. Um.
Just really working on those boundaries. I think that's like
probably the biggest thing that helps with self worth because
I think once you realize that you do have some
control of the negativity that you're letting, you know, affect you,
and then I think you will feel empowered and stronger
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because you know you're making good decisions for yourself. They're
healthy for yourself, and then you'll feel empowered. And I
also think just the affirmations, writing those positive things on
your mirror, in your journal, post it notes in your car.
I think also the friends you surround yourself with. It's
so this hard season that I've been going through, I've
just been really intentional about spending time with women that
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are wise, that has been beyond life changing. And then
also I'd say listening to your gut and trusting yourself,
because I think our intuition is so right on, but
sometimes we have to quiet ourselves down. Um, really let
ourselves be quiet and hear what our heart is saying,
and just trust that. You know, some people call it God,
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some people call it their guts, some people call their intuition.
I like to call it your piece someter. Oh you
don't have peace. I feel like it's like ding ding
ding ding ding. I don't have peace down there, but
it's like following the piece. And then I think that
will enable you again to empower yourself, to feel proud
of yourself for trusting yourself. So I got boundaries, which
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boundaries It's like props to anybody that's just now implementing
boundaries into their life for the first time, or if
you're thinking about doing it, I just want to encourage
you to, yeah, dig in and know that it is
worth it and you can do it. You are worth it,
And boundaries can be really healthy and important and good
in any relationship and healthy for the other person too,
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as long as it's done in a healthy way. And
maybe the boundary is something with yourself, has nothing to
do that anybody else needs to know about, but maybe
there is a boundary you have to set with someone
in your life and just hope that that you believe
that you you can do it and that you'll be
better for it. On the other side, So you mentioned boundaries, affirmations, friends,
listening to your pisometer, which I do, like that, is
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there another one? Yeah? And then I think also setting
time for self care, because I think, you know whatever
that looks like to whether it's yoga or it's taking
a walk in nature, swimming, going on a hike. And
I'd say the final one is taking time for self care.
I realized when I was not in a place of
caring about my self worth, I wouldn't take any time
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for self care because I was caring too much about
taking care of other people or just working or doing
all the things I needed to do, and didn't think
that I needed to really take time to you know,
hike or be in nature or be at the beach
or or work out or do something good for my body.
I just never thought that that was like really a
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priority because it just seemed like the bottom of the
list because there's so many other, you know, more important things.
But I realized without self care taking that time to
take care of my body, there's no way you're gonna
feel good about yourself if you're just running on empty
all the time, you know, serving everyone else all the time,
and you have nothing left for yourself. How are you
going to feel worthy, valuable when you're not putting value
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on your own self. And I just want to give
people permission if like guilty pleasure type TV like Real
Housewives or whatever. My ad a therapist last year that
gave me permission that that was a form of self care.
So I just want to throw that out there, because
self care may look different for you day to day,
week to week, or whatever you've got. Sometimes self care
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might be plopping down on your bed or your couch
and turning on an episode of something that you never
get to just sit down and enjoy. That can be
pretty mindless, and you may emerge from that just as
refreshed as if you took a hike through nature, which
I think getting outside is for sure important. I'm not saying,
like you know, to ignore that, but hey, if you
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needed permission to do something like that, I had a
therapist that just they gave it to me. So now
I'm giving it to you. I will receive that with
open arms. Now that The Bachelor is not on, I
feel like I'm not as happy as a person. Like
when the Bachelor season is on, I'm a happier human.
And what it is off, it's just really life is
not as fault for me. What's another show that you love?
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Like if you had a binge worthy show to recommend
to listeners, vander Pump Rules. I've been neglecting Bravo for
some reason. I used to watch all the shows on there,
but I just do a bunch of streaming things now
and I don't really have cable, so I'm not on
the Bravo. Bravo used to be the only station that
I knew the actual like number to tune into. But
I feel like I do visit the Real Housewives stuff
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on Hulu, but I miss out on all the awesome
Bravo shows that I used to enjoy, like vander Pump
Rules or Below Deck. Were got into blow Deck, but
I didn't really Real Housewives. Oh yeah, Real Housewives of
Beverly Hills is my favorite. Yeah, so good. Before we
get into gratitude for the the final thing, I also
want to talk about embracing failure. I think that that's
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something that's important to remind people that failing can be okay.
And I know that you're in agreement with me on that.
Oh yeah, that's another one of my favorite topics. Yeah.
In my in my first book, I have a whole
chapter that's called let Yourself Fail. And then in my
new book, I have a little section that's kind of
like should do swaps, Like you think you should do this,
but let's swap that out for you know, just let's
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make our priority lists and really choose the things that
we really need to do instead of the things that
you should do, because we can't do everything because we're
not we're not wonder Woman, we're not superwoman, we're not robots.
So you have to choose the things you're going to
fail at. I love that I had never thought of
that perspective. Okay, So Caitlin, we're big on gratitude here
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on the podcast, and I always have guests share for
things that they're currently thankful for. They can be big, small, whatever.
It's just like also a way for listeners to get
to know you on a different level too, so you
can just fire away with four things you're currently thankful for. Okay.
I've been really practicing being grateful about things that we
take for granted, kind of the cliche normal just life things,
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because so many people don't have that, which is I
am so grateful that I have a roof over my head,
because there's so many people that are living out on
the streets and they are trying, and they've lost their
jobs for different reasons, or they were raised in a
different way where they weren't afforded the same opportunities to
be raised in a home. So I am grateful that
I have a home because I could easily kind of
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go to like it has this and I don't like
this and this is so Grandma vibes or whatever, and
this is this train length fence over here and blah
blad blad bad bad. But it's like, no, I'm so
grateful I have a roof over my head. Number two,
I am so grateful that I have food to eat.
There's so many people that are literally on the street
begging for food and so hungry and they are just
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hoping and waiting with someone would give them money to
be able to buy a muffin, while over here, I
really buy whatever food I want. Anything i'm craving, I
can get and that's such a big deal and I
never want to take that for granted. So I'm so
grateful that I can buy whatever food I want to eat.
Like that is really exciting to me because I love food.
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I just also want to share before we started the
interview that you were eating some cheese. It's and I
just want to give cheese. It's a shout out because
whenever I see cheese, it's my Grandma was a cheese.
It's person. And my sister and I oftentimes if we
want to ever have like a toast or a memory
to our grandmother, we go get coke, like legit coke
out of the glass bottle, the little teeny tiny glass
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ones that are so cute and we get a box
of cheese its and we just toast to our grandmother.
So that is so cute. I love that cheese's are
the best, even though I must say hot and spicy
cheese it's are even better. Okay, I'm gonna have to
go try those, yeah and spicy They're They're at every
gas station ever. I highly recommend it. That's where I
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get mine. And then the third thing I'm grateful for
is incredible girlfriends. My girlfriends are so wise and I'm
so so grateful that they've been checking in on me
all the time and sharing all their wisdom and advice
with me. And then the fourth thing I will say
that I have to help the children that are so cute,
bright and love and um yeah, it's just grateful that
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they're alive and they exist. And I have a lot
of friends that are going through infertility issues right now,
so I know what a miracle it is that they
even exist. So very very grateful for that. Awesome Well, Caitlin,
we are grateful for you and all that you put
out into the world. So thanks for joining us today
on the podcast. And I just would encourage people, yeah
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to check out all the amazing things that you have
at Giving Keys, even your Warrior line, like I think
that that is awesome. And then your latest book, Every
Word Matters the Key to an Intentional Life. So congratulations
on all the success. Thank you for having me on.
Oh and I need to tell you and I should
send them to you too. I forgot to talk about
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and your listeners will enjoy. I have a line kids
clothing line, but it's also you can be matchy matchy
with your parents. It's called Brave and Love named after
my kids. So it's at Brave and Love Collection on Instagram,
and then the website is Brave and Love dot com.
So they have all inspirational things on the shirts, um
like I will change the world, Brave like mom, Brave
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like dad, history maker, world, change your blah blah blah
blah blah blah. So check that out too. I love that. Okay,
Brave and Love dot Com love it. Thank you, Caitlin,
Thank you so much,
Okay, little food for you. So life. Oh it's pretty bay,
it's pretty beautiful thing that for a little moth kicking
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with four Happy Thursday. Welcome to the Four Things Podcast.
I am Amy and today I am joined by Caitlin Crosby.
She's the founder of The Giving Keys and she's an author.
Her latest book is Every Word Matters, The Key to
an Intentional Life. Now, Caitlin, I noticed that you put
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key in the title of that book. So what is
a key represent to you? Oh? Gosh, keys are so
symbolic And I didn't even realize that when I started
The Giving Keys because when I first started it, it
was just an hotel key that I used. But now
in realizing that, yes, it's jewelry with different inspirational words.
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They open so many things in our lives. They don't
just open doors, they can emotionally open things that we need. Um.
They can also lock to you know, protect us. And
then the key to a home, which our mission at
the Game of Keys is to end homelessness. So that's
a little similar to I love the title of the
book too, because you know, words do matter a lot,
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and that's something I've been focusing on and that's just
an everyday conversation. Even in language, it's just so important
kind of when we're speaking to someone, especially about something
that's super serious, or maybe even how we speak to ourselves.
Words can just really matter, especially when it comes to
our mental health. So that's the first thing that we're
going to get into. I want to talk mental health.
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The second thing we'll get into is the power of words.
And then third thing self worth and how we're all
worthy of love. And then the last thing I want
you to share with us is four things that you
are thankful for today in regards to mental health. I
want to hear about your morning routine or what do
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you do day to day to make sure that you're
taking care of yourself. So I have two little kids,
have a one year old and a four year old,
So waking up in the morning a little different now
than it used to be. Before I had children, I
took for granted sleeping in morning and sleeping in But
now that I have kids, and there's obviously so many
responsibilities and I, you know, need to get them ready
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and get them dressed, your food and all the things.
And I was still controversial because I did go through
a separation, and I've been sharing that I have been
a still a mom for the first time, that sometimes
you have to do things that you have to do,
and that for me means that I put on PBS
Daniel Tiger for the kids for a few minutes so
which I know people sometimes don't like, which is fine.
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I don't really care, because I need to take five
minutes for myself to listen to a little morning devotional,
to read a little something, to get my head and
my mental health in a good, healthy, strong, intentional place
before I can take care of anybody else. That's what
they say, you put the oxygen mask on yourself first
before you can put it on anyone else. Because I
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just roll out of it and I just try to go, go,
go with the kids. I'm not going to be nice.
I'm not gonna be in a good space because I'm
tired in my mind will just go to the default,
and I think oftentimes our mind does go to the
negative or go to the default of emotion or reaction,
being reactionary, or the way that you were raised and
maybe a household. You know, it's like, no, I want
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to be in charge of my brain, not the other
way around. So I have to take that time to
read a devotional and to do a little meditation, just
do a little prayer, the serenity prayer I always do
in the morning. God grant me the serenity to accept
the things I cannot change, people, places, and things, and
the its to change the things I can, and the
wisdom to know the difference. I love that. And the
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oxygen mask analogy is something that we hear probably over
our lectum. You hear it a lot, but it really
is so powerful and it is a great example in
something that you should remind yourself of often because I
think sometimes as moms we do get lost in other things,
or maybe you don't even have to be a mom,
but you're losing yourself to other people in your life
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or just depending also to on your personality and how
you are, like you really may not be taking care
of yourself and you're not going to be of use
to anybody if you don't. And I know it's may
now so for some people if they didn't choose the
word of the year, and they might be like, oh,
it's too late, I'll just wait till next year. But
I don't think it's ever too late to have a
word of the year, and I'm just curious to see
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what yours is for this year. Yes, my word of
the year is warrior, but same thing. It changes all
the time, but that's just kind of like the broader theme.
And I always kind of look for the messages that
keep popping up in my life. And for me, um,
it was that word. Obviously, we made all the giving
keys jewelry say warrior on them. So we have like
new braces and say Warrior and necklaces and all the
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things because I want to wear them all the time
and then give them away and pass it on, pay
it forward. But for me, yeah, I think I was
going to through a hard transition in my family and
someone called me a warrior and I was like, really,
I feel the opposite of that. I feel like so
weak and defeated and like a failure and blah blah
blah um all these again negative Nancy words that no
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one really wants to live in and sit in, and like, no,
you are a warrior because you are doing your best
to fight and to fight for your family and to
fight for your mental health and to fight for a
B and C. And that is what a warrior is.
And so actually then started a thing called Warrior Chats
on Mondays where I interview people, um mostly women on
my little Instagram live just to hear warrior advice. And
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I always asked, what to being a warrior mean to you?
So that's definitely the word I've been bracing right now.
And then it keeps popping up like this one girl
on Instagram, I didn't I don't know her. One day
she said, I feel led to send you this picture
and it was a picture of four giving keys that
she had that she had been accumulating through the years,
and the way that they were sitting next to each
other on her table or something um stuck out to
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her and it said stay strong, freedom warrior. And she's like, wow,
I just realized the keys in this order spoke the
sentence on accident. And she didn't know my words warrior,
but things like that. Okay, So hearing you tell that story,
Caitlin actually just reminded me of a really special moment
that my sister and I had with a giving key,
like and sending a picture she had had this moment
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regarding our mom our. Mom passed away in two thousand fourteen,
and she had given us pure Grace body wash, and
I'm me can I. I I found the blog post real quick,
so I would love to read it for you and
then share with you kind of how the giving key
then put a bow on this whole thing. So this
is my sister's blog post from two thousand and fifteen.
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It was called how Old Over Grace. I sat on
the floor of the shower holding a bottle of white
liquid soap. My head was tilted up as streams of
warm water rained down my face, washing away fresh tears.
The cries were fewer and farther between, but they still
came at times. Grief would come in waves, they told me,
and it has. Three months earlier, we had lost our
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mom to cancer, and that day I was headed back
to her house to face the cabinets, drawers, and closets
not just of her things, but of her memory and
of my memories with her. I didn't want to go,
but more truthfully than that, I didn't want her to
be gone anymore. I looked down at the nearly empty
bottle of soap in my hand. It had been part
of a present from our mom to my sister Amy
and I, A simple soap and lotion gift set in
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the midst of the complicated twists and turns of cancer life,
a little gift labeled and branded pure grace. I remember
standing there the day she gave it to us, hugging
in my kitchen, the three of us arms intertwined, heads touching,
staring at our shoes, huddling over that simple gift of soap,
lotion and grace. Unspoken words rumbled through our minds as
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we asked someone to take a picture, not because this
was the first time we had ever huddled that way,
but because current circumstances and possibilities nod within us. We
wanted to capture how we loved each other. Not long
after that day, we were back in my home again,
This time a hospital bed was set up in my
bedroom for our mom and my house to become a
revolving door of nurses and friends and family from all over,
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stopping by each day to bring food or flowers, or
letters or candles or paper goods, drinks, to pick up laundry,
all the things. This was hospice care. This was the
unwanted end we had been fighting against. However, a beautiful,
loving end if there had to be one. Amy and
I spent most of the time on either side of
our mom our, arms sometimes intertwined, our heads, sometimes touching hers,
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huddled over the gift of grace and our mother and
clinging to the gift of grace and our God, the
grace that gave us the courage to whisper in her
ear It's okay to go home. And so I sat
on the floor of the show our gripping that bottle
of white liquid soap, that now nearly empty, bottle of
pure grace, and it registered gratefully that true grace is
never empty. My grace is sufficient for you, for my
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power is made perfect in your weakness Second Corinthians twelve nine.
And here I was sad and weak and in need
of much grace, But not the kind that comes in
a bottle, because at the end of the day we
all know that's just soap. But true grace, the kind
that helps you face loss with hope, the kind that
helps you choose forgiveness, thankfulness, and joy. The kind of
grace that gets you up off the floor of the
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shower and is never almost empty because it never runs out.
The day I sent Amy this post to review, she
sent me a picture of the giving key that she
happened to be wearing that day, and it's a picture
of the grace giving key. Sometimes our lives work like that.
So I just thought that that was like a cool
like giving key, because I remember that day I was
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wearing this white sweater with my grace giving key and
of us that thought it looked so cute, But it
just was confirmation for my sister to have that. So
I'm sure that so many people have a given key
story like that. I mean, you had one touch you
where someone sit you pictures, but I know people have
gotten to give keys that had just the right word
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that probably impacted someone's day. They were in line next
to someone and they looked back and they saw the
word hanging on someone's neck. Anyway, I just feel like
to be a woman behind a business that has made
such an impact in so many different ways, I just
think that that's really cool. And I didn't mean to
derail by reading my sister's blog post, but grace is
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another word that's pretty amazing that people could could focus
on and really try to tap into what true grace
looks like. And I love that you're tapping into Warrior
this year and you've made it a whole thing. You
made it more than just a word, like you're now
empowering others each week on your Instagram. Yeah. I get
obsessed with words, as we know, since I've made the
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Given Keys and have written two books, and before that,
I used to do music and wrote songs, which I
don't do anymore, but I just words. Yeah, They're so
powerful and just especially when we are intentional about them.
I think it's interesting because I had I was talking
to a therapist and she had me right down like
beliefs and intentions for my week, and it was it
was something simple as simple as I will live or
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I'm living an invigorated life, something like that, I enjoy
my life, so something super simple, and I wrote it
down to my journal and then I kind of forgot
about it. And then the next week when I was
supposed to meet with her, she was like, so, how
did that go, reading your affirmations or your positive intentions?
And I was like, oh, I didn't do them. I
forgot about them. And I realized this because like if
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I don't have it on a post it or if
I'm constantly looking at it, So now I have my
journal open next to my bed, so I have to
see it, and I have to see those words to
remind myself and to kind of re brainwash myself. And
then I have to look at them when I go
to sleep. Yeah, so I have to see them to
visualize them and kind of, yeah, rebrainwash yourself because sometimes
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the default is the negative and then we just forget
to think positively. And so how do you make the
affirmations a part of your daily life, just like having
them by your bedside? Or do you write every single
day or what do you do in regards to that
part of your mental health? I mean, besides what you
just shared, like it is journaling a big thing for you?
Or just simple affirmations on a post it note or
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some people do like the dry erase marker on their
bathroom mirror. I want to do that. I need to
do that one. But yeah, what I said earlier, Plus
I think, yes, just straight journaling, like right now, something
I'm going through because I feel kind of there's too
many things going on in my brain right now, there's
too many subject matters to kind of cope with that.
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I need to get it out and I need to
write it out on paper so I can see it
and I can can compartmentalize it, and I can write
my priority lists. I always like positive and negative lists,
like if there's something that I'm trying to see clearly
something about, like Okay, if I do this like one, two, three, five, Oh,
there's five on that side. Okay. But then if I
do this, there's the positives or the benefits would be
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ten things. Oh, that's good to know instead of them
just being jambled about around in my brain. So and
then in my in my new book, I have sections
at the end where their journal prompts where I asked questions,
and there's also a section where you can write positive
affirmations about yourself and turning the negative thoughts we have,
like if it's if you feel like you're weak, then
you know your positive affirmation will be I am strong,
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I am beautiful, I am capable, I am worthy. And
I talked to the therapist years ago who said, these
negative beliefs we have about ourselves, it's like a record player,
and in our brain there these grooves, and these negative
grooves get stuck in there, and they get deeper and
deeper in this record player in our brain. And how
do they get deeper and deeper, these grooves from repetition,
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from the negative beliefs, like repeating over and over and over,
and we live our lives in such a way where
we're kind of looking for confirmation for those negative beliefs.
So we're like, Oh, that person just looked at me
in that way. Oh yes, see see I am weak,
Oh see I am overweight, or see I am you know, awkward,
or no one likes me or whatever. But the only
way you can get rid of those grooves. She's like,
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you can't pray it away. She's like, you have to
create new grooves. And how do you create new grooves?
You have to create the positive affirmations, yes, and how
do they get there? And how do they get to
be as thick and deep as the original ones repetition?
So you just have to do the affirmations as much
as possible, even though you think it's not gonna work
because it's too cliche and you've heard it before and
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it maybe it seems too simple, but it's scientifically proven.
That's the only way to counteract the negative ones. Let's
talk more in depth about specific words. Don't you have
like ten words that help people live intentionally? Yeah? Every
chapter is a different word, belief, strength, brave. I have
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a little boy whose name is brave, and I have
a little girl and her name is love. So she
needed a chapter. Two, well, she didn't need a chapter,
but that word there is that word love. And we
focus on love and what that means. And we focus
on faith and the difference between belief and faith. And
I was a philosophy major in schools, so faith has
always been an interesting thing to me because I always
want to know and like I want things to be proven.
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So kind of diving into that and the word fearless
and the difference between being fearless and brave and breaking
down each one. So each chapter is a deep dive
into these words so we can better incorporate them into
our lives. And so tell me your kid's names again,
Brave and love, Brave and love. We were talking about
interesting kids names. I don't think I've ever met a
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kid named brave and love. But I think it's so
awesome that you already gave them names that are affirming
to them. They're hearing over and over and over love, love, love, Brave, brave, brave,
so they're getting that repetition in their head of a
positive word. It kind of makes you feel like I
missed out on something, my name just being amy. It's
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so funny though, that's what I thought too. But it's
really interesting because Brave is so not brave. He's like
such a little scaredy cat. It's so cute. He's such
a little mama's boy and he's afraid of everything. But
then Love, who's like almost two, She's the one that's
way more brave. She's like, I'll just jump off that
slide and jump off that thing. I'll run into the ocean,
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run into the pool. And Brave is always like, oh no,
it's too cold. That's scared. Is she loving though? Yeah,
she's love. Actually, Brave is more loving than Love. Maybe
they're hearing the other person's name more and then that's
what gets in. Or it was too much pressure, it
was too much pressure to be their name, so they
went the opposite. I want to circle back to something
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you said earlier when you mentioned the difference between belief
and faith. So can we break that down a little
bit more? Yeah, you know, I think because faith has
always been challenging for me because I want to know
and I want things to be proven. There is kind
of a surrender with that word. Like you know, obviously
people say a leap of faith, but I think a
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belief is something that you truly do believe because there's
back there, there's truth, there's a reality to it. Like
I believe this. I choose to believe this because I
know it's true and also can be believed because I'm
going to believe this about myself, like I naturally believe A,
B and C negative about myself, but I'm going to
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choose to believe this about myself. Just being intentional about
how you want to believe. But I think faith and obviously,
you know, people think about faith with God in different religions,
but it can be with like a job or your future.
It can be like you know, I don't know, I
haven't seen or talk to God. But there's going to
be a mystery aspect to faith. And same thing again,
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not just with like I wonder if God exists or
what he or she or what it looks like, but
also like I have faith that I'm going to be
okay no matter what, and I'm going to make it
through this hard season, and I have faith that my
purpose will fold. So there's definitely some similarities between the word,
but it's fun to break it down. I know. That's
why I thought it was interesting because like, even when
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I think of my own just how I use the word,
it's like, these are my beliefs. But really, I mean,
it's because I'm having faith that I'm believing. Like some
stuff you don't have the hardcore facts. Some things you
don't really know, but you know in your heart, so
then it's like your faith part and then but it's
what you're choosing to believe. So yeah, I mean I
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could see how getting really deep into that I could
take you down a long wormhole. Well, let's talk about
five ways to boost self love and feel worthy of love.
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I just got back from an intensive where I learned
that I've pretty low self worth. So I'm here for
for any tips that you have on that something that
I'm going to be committed to working on, because I
do deserve to believe in myself, to have faith in
myself to know that I am worthy. But some stuff
stems from my childhood, so it's really hard. It's been
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in there a long time. It's that record player. Have
got some deep grooves there, Yeah, such a good one.
I mean, there The list goes on and on and on,
but you know some of them. I think number one is,
like you said, childhood wounds and things that maybe you
believed when you were younger, or things that people in
your family spoke over you, or people that you're in
relationship now speak over you or make or kind of
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you realize if you're around someone that you get triggered
in a certain way. So realizing what your boundaries are
and like the people that you should or should not
have around you that you want to choose to spend
your time with. And and maybe sometimes it is like
a parent that they say a lot of unhealthy things.
You're like, I need to have a stronger boundary and
not allow myself to be around this person because it
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rubs off on me the brother, sister, lover or partner, coworker, friend, whatever. Um.
Just really working on those boundaries. I think that's like
probably the biggest thing that helps with self worth because
I think once you realize that you do have some
control of the negativity that you're letting, you know, affect you,
and then I think you will feel empowered and stronger
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because you know you're making good decisions for yourself. They're
healthy for yourself, and then you'll feel empowered. And I
also think just the affirmations, writing those positive things on
your mirror, in your journal, post it notes in your car.
I think also the friends you surround yourself with. It's
so this hard season that I've been going through, I've
just been really intentional about spending time with women that
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are wise, that has been beyond life changing. And then
also I'd say listening to your gut and trusting yourself,
because I think our intuition is so right on, but
sometimes we have to quiet ourselves down. Um, really let
ourselves be quiet and hear what our heart is saying,
and just trust that. You know, some people call it God,
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some people call it their guts, some people call their intuition.
I like to call it your piece someter. Oh you
don't have peace. I feel like it's like ding ding
ding ding ding. I don't have peace down there, but
it's like following the piece. And then I think that
will enable you again to empower yourself, to feel proud
of yourself for trusting yourself. So I got boundaries, which
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boundaries It's like props to anybody that's just now implementing
boundaries into their life for the first time, or if
you're thinking about doing it, I just want to encourage
you to, yeah, dig in and know that it is
worth it and you can do it. You are worth it,
And boundaries can be really healthy and important and good
in any relationship and healthy for the other person too,
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as long as it's done in a healthy way. And
maybe the boundary is something with yourself, has nothing to
do that anybody else needs to know about, but maybe
there is a boundary you have to set with someone
in your life and just hope that that you believe
that you you can do it and that you'll be
better for it. On the other side, So you mentioned boundaries, affirmations, friends,
listening to your pisometer, which I do, like that, is
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there another one? Yeah? And then I think also setting
time for self care, because I think, you know whatever
that looks like to whether it's yoga or it's taking
a walk in nature, swimming, going on a hike. And
I'd say the final one is taking time for self care.
I realized when I was not in a place of
caring about my self worth, I wouldn't take any time
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for self care because I was caring too much about
taking care of other people or just working or doing
all the things I needed to do, and didn't think
that I needed to really take time to you know,
hike or be in nature or be at the beach
or or work out or do something good for my body.
I just never thought that that was like really a
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priority because it just seemed like the bottom of the
list because there's so many other, you know, more important things.
But I realized without self care taking that time to
take care of my body, there's no way you're gonna
feel good about yourself if you're just running on empty
all the time, you know, serving everyone else all the time,
and you have nothing left for yourself. How are you
going to feel worthy, valuable when you're not putting value
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on your own self. And I just want to give
people permission if like guilty pleasure type TV like Real
Housewives or whatever. My ad a therapist last year that
gave me permission that that was a form of self care.
So I just want to throw that out there, because
self care may look different for you day to day,
week to week, or whatever you've got. Sometimes self care
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might be plopping down on your bed or your couch
and turning on an episode of something that you never
get to just sit down and enjoy. That can be
pretty mindless, and you may emerge from that just as
refreshed as if you took a hike through nature, which
I think getting outside is for sure important. I'm not saying,
like you know, to ignore that, but hey, if you
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needed permission to do something like that, I had a
therapist that just they gave it to me. So now
I'm giving it to you. I will receive that with
open arms. Now that The Bachelor is not on, I
feel like I'm not as happy as a person. Like
when the Bachelor season is on, I'm a happier human.
And what it is off, it's just really life is
not as fault for me. What's another show that you love?
(24:20):
Like if you had a binge worthy show to recommend
to listeners, vander Pump Rules. I've been neglecting Bravo for
some reason. I used to watch all the shows on there,
but I just do a bunch of streaming things now
and I don't really have cable, so I'm not on
the Bravo. Bravo used to be the only station that
I knew the actual like number to tune into. But
I feel like I do visit the Real Housewives stuff
(24:43):
on Hulu, but I miss out on all the awesome
Bravo shows that I used to enjoy, like vander Pump
Rules or Below Deck. Were got into blow Deck, but
I didn't really Real Housewives. Oh yeah, Real Housewives of
Beverly Hills is my favorite. Yeah, so good. Before we
get into gratitude for the the final thing, I also
want to talk about embracing failure. I think that that's
(25:05):
something that's important to remind people that failing can be okay.
And I know that you're in agreement with me on that.
Oh yeah, that's another one of my favorite topics. Yeah.
In my in my first book, I have a whole
chapter that's called let Yourself Fail. And then in my
new book, I have a little section that's kind of
like should do swaps, Like you think you should do this,
but let's swap that out for you know, just let's
(25:27):
make our priority lists and really choose the things that
we really need to do instead of the things that
you should do, because we can't do everything because we're
not we're not wonder Woman, we're not superwoman, we're not robots.
So you have to choose the things you're going to
fail at. I love that I had never thought of
that perspective. Okay, So Caitlin, we're big on gratitude here
(25:53):
on the podcast, and I always have guests share for
things that they're currently thankful for. They can be big, small, whatever.
It's just like also a way for listeners to get
to know you on a different level too, so you
can just fire away with four things you're currently thankful for. Okay.
I've been really practicing being grateful about things that we
take for granted, kind of the cliche normal just life things,
(26:16):
because so many people don't have that, which is I
am so grateful that I have a roof over my head,
because there's so many people that are living out on
the streets and they are trying, and they've lost their
jobs for different reasons, or they were raised in a
different way where they weren't afforded the same opportunities to
be raised in a home. So I am grateful that
I have a home because I could easily kind of
(26:37):
go to like it has this and I don't like
this and this is so Grandma vibes or whatever, and
this is this train length fence over here and blah
blad blad bad bad. But it's like, no, I'm so
grateful I have a roof over my head. Number two,
I am so grateful that I have food to eat.
There's so many people that are literally on the street
begging for food and so hungry and they are just
(27:00):
hoping and waiting with someone would give them money to
be able to buy a muffin, while over here, I
really buy whatever food I want. Anything i'm craving, I
can get and that's such a big deal and I
never want to take that for granted. So I'm so
grateful that I can buy whatever food I want to eat.
Like that is really exciting to me because I love food.
(27:21):
I just also want to share before we started the
interview that you were eating some cheese. It's and I
just want to give cheese. It's a shout out because
whenever I see cheese, it's my Grandma was a cheese.
It's person. And my sister and I oftentimes if we
want to ever have like a toast or a memory
to our grandmother, we go get coke, like legit coke
out of the glass bottle, the little teeny tiny glass
(27:43):
ones that are so cute and we get a box
of cheese its and we just toast to our grandmother.
So that is so cute. I love that cheese's are
the best, even though I must say hot and spicy
cheese it's are even better. Okay, I'm gonna have to
go try those, yeah and spicy They're They're at every
gas station ever. I highly recommend it. That's where I
(28:04):
get mine. And then the third thing I'm grateful for
is incredible girlfriends. My girlfriends are so wise and I'm
so so grateful that they've been checking in on me
all the time and sharing all their wisdom and advice
with me. And then the fourth thing I will say
that I have to help the children that are so cute,
bright and love and um yeah, it's just grateful that
(28:26):
they're alive and they exist. And I have a lot
of friends that are going through infertility issues right now,
so I know what a miracle it is that they
even exist. So very very grateful for that. Awesome Well, Caitlin,
we are grateful for you and all that you put
out into the world. So thanks for joining us today
on the podcast. And I just would encourage people, yeah
(28:47):
to check out all the amazing things that you have
at Giving Keys, even your Warrior line, like I think
that that is awesome. And then your latest book, Every
Word Matters the Key to an Intentional Life. So congratulations
on all the success. Thank you for having me on.
Oh and I need to tell you and I should
send them to you too. I forgot to talk about
(29:08):
and your listeners will enjoy. I have a line kids
clothing line, but it's also you can be matchy matchy
with your parents. It's called Brave and Love named after
my kids. So it's at Brave and Love Collection on Instagram,
and then the website is Brave and Love dot com.
So they have all inspirational things on the shirts, um
like I will change the world, Brave like mom, Brave
(29:31):
like dad, history maker, world, change your blah blah blah
blah blah blah. So check that out too. I love that. Okay,
Brave and Love dot Com love it. Thank you, Caitlin,
Thank you so much,
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