February 4, 2021 • 39 mins
Founder/CEO of Full Ride Cycling, Kenzie Todd {@kenzietodd}, joins Amy for all 4 things. FIRST THING: Kenzie left her corporate job of 8 years to follow a dream that she had for many of those years. If you feel stuck with your current job and you're scared to take the leap...Kenzie offers encouragement by sharing how she handled fear and eventually was able put her plan into motion. SECOND THING: Keznie's dream became a reality when she was finally able to open the doors to her very own cycle studio: @fullridecycling. Kenzie founded her business with specific core values, which she shares with us, along with her leadership style. THIRD THING: Are you a "yes" person?? Amy and Kenzie talk about people pleasing vs. making the best decision for yourself...which is a necessary part of running a small business or leading any team of people. FOURTH THING: They pivot here and talk therapy...and the important role it has played in Kenzie's life...shaping the woman she is today {business wise & personally) and continues to shape her as she most recently started pre-engagement therapy with her boyfriend of 3 years. We never knew pre-engagement therapy was a thing, but might not be a bad idea! Listen to hear more about that. Hope you enjoy today's episode!!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Okay, cap little food for you. So life ain't Oh
it's pretty, but it's pretty beautiful thing that a little
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moth kicking with four brown So super excited to have
at Kinsey Todd joined me for all four things today.
My friend and licensed therapist Cat de Fata introduced me
to Kinsey and said she's gonna be amazing. You gotta
have her on. And I must say, have any of
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you ever thought of doing therapy with your boyfriend, like
pre engagement counseling and so you know you hear a
pre marital but Kinsey definitely has some thoughts on that.
She's in a relationship right now where they're about to
start that process. But the first thing I'm actually going
to get into with Kinsey is leaving a corporate job
to follow a dream. Some of you right now it
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might feel stuck in a career and you're scared to
really chase after something that you're passionate about, and Kinsey
is gonna be able to speak to that and give
you a little hope there with that. Then the second
thing is was it like to build the cycle studio
that she wanted to full ride cycle? Now you may
not be in the Fitness World. Mackenzie definitely has some
advice to offer on the type of environment you want
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to create at work and being a leader in that environment.
The third thing is people pleasing versus making the right
decision for you. And then yeah, we shift gears in
the fourth thing and get into relationships and therapy talk. So, Kinsey,
it's awesome to have you here today, and let's get
into what it looked like for you leaving a corporate
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job and following your dream. That happened in my later twenties,
and I was one of those people that graduated college
and I had no idea what I wanted to do
with my life. So I just picked a career. And
I actually worked in the music industry in l A
for a while and realized l A was not where
I wanted to be, moved to Nashville, worked in finance,
and just dabbled in a bunch of different things, and
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I at one point had four different jobs because I
was like, Okay, what do I want to do? And
I was working, you know, eighty hours a week to
try to figure out what exactly it was. That like
just basically fueled my fire and it realized that I
was put on this earth to teach spin classes, and
as crazy as it sounds, it was what I was
just thinking about all the time. And I realized at
twenty six, I was like, if I don't do this,
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if I don't leave this corporate nine to five job,
I will always regret it for the rest of my life.
So I built up enough of a savings account to
be able to really focus on what it was that
I wanted, and I just kind of did it, knowing
that the fear of not doing it was what was
going to haunt me. And I think that that's something
that people can always look at of do I want
this corporate nine to five? Am I okay with that?
Or I'm am I okay? Which is really going for it?
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And that's kind of where I focus all my energy
of like I'm not going to regret it. I just
I'm too young to do that. And then did you
find yourself doing your corporate job because that's what you
had to do to pay the bill, but then when
you got home you were pouring yourself into your passion exactly. Yes,
I'm an early riser, So I would honestly wake up
at like four thirty or five in the morning, and
I would either teach a class or I would go
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take a class to learn, and then I drive to
Franklin and I'd work my my corporate job, and then
during my lunch break, I would work on my business plan. Um,
which is how I ended up starting my own business.
I did it while I was still working my corporate job,
and then after I was done my nine five, I'd
go back to the studio and teach my class and
just really figure out is this what I wanted to do,
because I wanted to make sure it was calculated enough
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where I was responsible. But at the same time, I
did something that just lit me up and I needed that.
I just was somebody that needed to feel fulfilled. And
the way that I did that was just to pour
into people through fitness. And that was when I realized, Okay,
I've got to leave this desk job. This is not fulfilling,
this is not what God brought me on this earth
to do. And so I just I took the jump,
but it was very calculated. I had at least about
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three months under my belt of navig getting a multiple
different jobs, and then I decided, Okay, I've got to leave.
It's time give me the time frame of when you
had this realization and then when you actually implemented it,
because I also want to be realistic for people of like,
is it something that you had manifested in a way
like you put it on a vision board or however
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people do it. I mean I feel like you waking
up I five morning and then using your lunch break
in a way as you creating your vision, You're focusing
on it, You're thinking about it. But from when you
had the thought that you knew this is what you
had to do to when you actually your last day
and your corporate job, it was like eight years. If
I'm mean fully honest, I was. I was nineteen, and
I'll never forget I always as females, you know, we
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have relationship with our bodies. But I had a very
unhealthy relationship in l A and I would work out
and I just I could not figure out a way
to enjoy that. And so when I moved to Nashville,
I started teaching on the side, like I mentioned, and
working my corporate job. But when I was nineteen, I thought, wow,
I would be so cool to own my own studio
one day. It's very like sexy and very you know,
very enticing to want to do that, but then when
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you get into the nitty gritty of it, you really
have to be committed because you are using your body
and it's very exhausting. And I realized, Okay, do I
really really want to do this? And so for about
eight years I really just thought through it. I made
sure I got a job in fitness, and I still
continued to love it. And then it finally hit me
when I was twenty six and I was working at
a local studio in town, and I loved what I did,
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but I just didn't love the way the business was
going and the way the leadership. I just was like,
we could do this so much better, is what I
kept telling myself, and really feel like I could do better.
You know. Well, that's what we're gonna get into in
the second thing is why you built full Ride the
way you did that. You designed it and you have
certain teachers and your everything is for a certain reason,
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and I think probably coming from l A and maybe
being in a certain environment. I have friends that have
lived in l A and just moved here and just
felt like they could breathe because everything there there was
so much pressure, all the time, and there was multiple
workout classes a day. Just you felt like you had
to juice all the time. And just the culture there
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is very suffocating, suffocating, it's very lonely and and that's
really what got me into cycling. My girlfriend dragged me
to a soul cycle class and I was like, I'm
not going because I can't afford it. I know I'm
gonna get hooked on it, and that's exactly what happened.
And it was the one thing that I felt kind
of like what you talked about, where you just you
connect people and you make people feel like they're not alone.
That is what to me fitnesses and particularly this style
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of fitness. And so yeah, coming from l A, I
could breathe in Nashville and I will. I will never
leave Yea. I love it. And that would probably be
my encouragement to anybody. You may not be in l A.
You may be here in Nashville, whatever your environment is,
are you able to breathe like or maybe you're listening
right now in Texas or d C or in another country.
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I don't know, but like, look around at your environment,
your surroundings, the people you're with, the types of workouts
you're doing, can you breathe? And I think that that's
just an important thing. Oh well, I mean to speak
to exactly what we're talking about in this thing your career.
Are you Are you able to fully be yourself if
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you have a certain job and that's what's paying the bills? Like,
by all means, yes, keep doing that, but how can
you incorporate some of your passions, whether it's like you
were doing teaching a couple of times a week, or
doing a Saturday type thing or waking up early and
making sure that you're getting that fulfillment somewhere. Yes, exactly,
and do you One of my things too, is like
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do I am I proud of who I'm becoming in this?
And that was one of the things that I realized
in the corporate world. I just I was getting so
lost and so down and so unsure of who I was.
I was not growing into the woman I wanted to be.
I was almost retracting from who I really wanted. And
I tried so many different things, and the one thing
that lit my soul on fire was teaching spin classes.
And it didn't make any sense. My dad didn't believe
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in it at first, my family thought I was crazy,
But you really have to have enough faith to know, like, no,
this is what I really need to do. And I
was twenty seven. I mean, most people figure out what
they want to do when they're eighteen, if you're lucky.
But the reality is we don't figure it out un
till later, and you have to try so many different
things and you don't know until you do. And then
when you figure it out, you put your whole heart
and soul into it. And I believe that if you
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work hard enough for anything, you'll get there. You just
have to work hard enough and want it bad enough. Yeah,
and some people might be thirty seven, forty seven, fifty seven,
like there's I mean, it really can come in at
different types, depending on you know, the path that life
has taken you on and what you're open to. You
mentioned before you did you weren't going to let the
fear stop you from doing it, and so I think
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for a lot of us, to fear paralyzes our our
brain from even going there and it doesn't seem attainable.
So if you strip that away and you just go
for it no matter what. Quickly before we get into
the next thing you mentioned, your dad or family. Eventually,
once you did decide to do it, did you have
a certain support group that you would lean on to
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take such a leap. My mom, honestly has been incredibly supportive.
She's just always been the one that's very emotionally sound
in the way of Ken's you got to go pursue
your dreams. So what if you fail, like she kept
coming back to, like, okay, and if it doesn't work
so well, like you start over. And I do that
very that Tim ferrissing where you kind of play out
every worst case scenario. Okay, so you filed bankruptcy, that's
that's awful, But is that is your life over? No?
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So that is kind of how my family kind of restructured.
I think my mom was the biggest one to be like, yeah,
go do it. And then my brother he's also a
fellow entrepreneur. He runs his own tech company in l a.
And my dad's a big entrepreneur in Canada. And they're
very realistic and so they didn't really believe in the
in fitness, but they're like, if you love it and
if it fails, you know, you'll learn a lot. And
that was my mentality. I was like, if it fails,
I'll have learned a lot and of a great story,
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and I'll have done something that I'm very proud of.
And and I just again, I go back to the
I couldn't not do it. That's what pushed me to
go do it. Was like at to a point in
my life where I was like, I can't not do this.
I will regret it for the rest of my life
if I don't. Yeah, it's interesting that your mom played
a role in helping encourage you in that decision, because
when I took the leap into radio from sales, I
was twenty four or five and I had never done
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radio before and got an offer to be on the
morning show, which is something a coveted spot that people
work years to get to that position. In fact, one
of my first days starting the Bobby Bones Show in Austin,
I was at the printer and someone at a local
another station, like an older person that's been radio forever.
I was at the Printer and They're like, oh, you
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know the new intern over there, and I was like, no,
I'm the new co host. And I was so naive
to the fact, and now that I'm in it, I
know what I got extremely lucky. But I was considering
not even doing it because I was scared that I
didn't know what I was doing and why would I
leave this amazing sales job that I have to go
do something. I took a pay cut, but I was
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going to get paid to talk, which just seemed unreal
to me. But my mom sat me down and was like, look,
if there's ever a time to do it, now is
the time to do it. You're young, give it a try.
But I would take my mom's advice and then wipe
away the age thing like no matter what, if you're
feeling it and you're thinking, this could be something exciting
and cool, even if it is a pay cut or
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you are going to get judged for like who do
you think you are? You have no experience doing this,
who cares? Like if you have an opportunity, go for it.
Don't let certain fears take over, and now's the time.
Now's the time. And then to like it makes me
think of that tree analogy when I may butcher it
because I'm just gonna say, but I mean, the time
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to plant a tree was yesterday or ten years ago
or whatever, because planning the seed, because like you're going
to constantly look back and be like, oh man, I
should have just done it then, because then my tree
would be growing exactly and instead I put off all right, Well,
next thing, let's get into what full Ride Cycle is
all about him what that means to you. So Kat
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was so excited when she auditioned. Is that the word
audition to be an instructor at a full Ride cycle?
And being that she's a therapist and done lot of
work on herself and obviously has a lot of clients, like,
it's important for her to be at a place that's
like amazing. She doesn't want to be in an environment
that's toxic in any way, which some workout spaces can
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be that way. So why did you design full Cycle?
I know a lot of people listening. They might not
be here in Nashville, so they won't have the opportunity
to go down to the twelfth South area where you
all are. But if you're ever visiting, a lot of
people come here for trips, or if you do live here,
I'd encourage you all to check it out. But also,
wherever you live, find a place like this that Kinsey
is about to explain to you, Because I already know
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a little bit from Cat and I'm going to come
check it out soon. But tell us why it was
important to lay out Full Ride the way you did well.
So Full Ride for me was you spend the most
amount of time with people that you work with. And
so I really want to make sure that I'm constantly
surrounded by people who are just better than me, faster
than me, smarter than me, all those things. And when
I started Full Ride, I had a few things that
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I just were non negotiable, as one of them is gossip.
I actually have fired somebody because of gossip. I really
want people to have high integrity because if you're going
to be on the microphone and teaching a class on
a Saturday morning and having a full room of years
and you're telling them to work harder and you know,
believing yourself and and go after the things that you want,
you have to be able to represent that off to
bike as well. And so I think the reason that
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Full Ride has been so successful is that I have
an army behind me of just upstanding people. And I
think that's what's drawn Katan, who is one of those
people who wants to better those lives around her, and
she's one of those ones that I was just I've
had my eye on She doesn't even know this, but
I've had my eye on her for years, and I've
taken her class before. But I really believe that you
attract the kind of people that you want, and so
I wanted to build that because I had never had that.
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You kind of learned, like when you date somebody, like oh,
I realized I don't like this about that person, or
I don't like this quality. I've tried to take everything
that I've learned in my jobs and especially at the
studio that I previously worked at, and try to kind
of do what I didn't like and try to implement
a really safe place for people to love, because at
the end of the day, we're working out and we're
trying to better our clients lives, and if we can't
do that behind the scenes, we're going to fail within
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six months. Yeah, So whenever you have to approach someone,
I'm just trying to think of, like again back to environment,
when you have a firm hey, no gossip rule. And
that's probably just one example. There might be other things.
What is it like as being the one in charge
now that has to enforce that that environment. I'm sure
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at some point it's like, yeah, we're just not going
to tolerate that. Maybe there's grace in the beginning, but like, hey,
heads up, we're not about that. I'm just thinking too
for other people that are building a brand or building
a business or managing people. I'm just trying to think
of like if I was in that position and someone
gossiped and then I'm like, you know, okay, is it
one strikeer out? Is it like three? Or is a
great question. And I think the number one thing I
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try to do is lead by example. Now I am
human and I'm imperfect, but I really try to make
sure that I'm never speaking poorly about people in front
of my team. I have thirty two people on the
team now, and they range from like twenty all the
way up to like thirty I think, like thirty five
years old. So I am not the youngest on the team,
but I am, you know, one of the oldest. And
I feel like, I it's my due diligence to be
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somewhat of a mentor to these younger girls who are
working in the front desk. Um. But also they just
know because when when they start, I just I'm very
clear with here's our core values as a team and
as a brand. Here's my personal core values. And I
hope that yours aligned with us, because if they don't,
you're just gonna you're not gonna feel comfortable here. And
we do a ton of recruitment, and we really do
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some almost like not background checks, but in a way
just kind of I call references. I stock their social media.
I just kind of see who they're about, to see
that if they're going to be in line with our brand.
Because at the end of the day, if if they
don't like it here, they're going to infuse a very
toxic kind of culture, even if they're not saying bad
things about us so or about other people. So I
really try to just be one that influence and be
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that example. And then two, I will tend to pull
people aside and say, hey, you know this, I totally
you're new here, or maybe I wasn't clear on the expectation,
and that's on me, you know, always trying to take
accountability as a leader to be like, I'm sorry I
didn't explain this very well to you, but this is
how we do it here. So just going forward and
I go by you know, compliments go down and complaints
go up. So I always try to compliment my team,
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make sure it's very light and positive, and then if
they have anything that they want to talk to me about,
if somebody said something or a client or whatever, they
always have a safe place with me to bring that.
That to me isn't considered gossip because you know, you've
got to do something about certain situations. But for the
most part, we try to be an example and we
hold each other accountable. We say, hey, you know what,
we don't talk like that, and we're like, oh, you're right,
you're right, thank you, thank you for keeping me in check.
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And again, we just try to make each other better.
And at the end of the day, that's what we
want because that's who we spend the most amount of
time with, is the people that we work with. So
I feel so blessed to have these incredible people that
also keep me in line with who I am and
where I want to go and where I want the
brand to go as well. I refer to it again,
it's just my army of people that do this with me.
I don't ever feel like I'm the boss. I just
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kind of feel like I work with all of my
favorite people. You mentioned Tim Ferris early You're so, is
there any other people that you look to or have
read their books? Are probably in leadership in business that
you pull from. Yes, well, So, I used to work
at Ramsey Solutions down in Franklin. I know it's kind
of it can be like a tough subject there, but
I did learn so much from a leader that I
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looked up to so intensely. His name is Daniel Tardy.
He was actually my direct leader down there with Entree Leadership.
I also I'm a huge fan of Tim Keller and
Gary Thomas, just a lot of like more biblical based
teachings that I really try to implement in my studio
because I'm just a huge believer that at the end
of the day, I can do everything I can to
infiltrate a positive culture and try to keep my business
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alive during a global pandemic, but at the end of
the day, as a believer, it comes down to Jesus.
So I really try to focus a lot on biblical
teachings that I bring into the studio. Without you don't
have to have faith to work there. That's not at
all what I'm saying, but that is kind of where
I put a lot of my outside focus into to
try to infiltrate that kind of positivity within the studio.
I love that, and I think that you know, when
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I first asked you the question, even though it was
like gossip was the example, and you're like, oh, that's
a good question, and then you gave the answer, and
I was saying the whole time, I was like, yeah, no,
but that's a really good answer. And I feel like
a lot of people again that may have to manage
a group, whether it's a team of one that works
alongside you or a team of thirty or forty. Um
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management can be so tricky, and keeping a non toxic
environment can be the whole job in itself, and so
when you're also trying to do other day to day
tasks that you have to do to keep your business
growing and flowing, and props to you the whole time
you were answering, I was like, wow. And then say
your age again, I'm thirty thirty, Yeah, very mature for
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your age. I'm thirty nine, but I'm even trying to
think of where I was business wise in my head
at thirty. So you should talk to my family. They're
like you're losing it, and I'm like, yeah, most of
the time I'm losing it, but yeah, I try to
keep it together. But so when it comes to people
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pleasing versus making the right decision for you, I feel
like so many of us fall into that category of like,
I want everybody to like me. I don't want to
be mad at me. But when you're a leader, you
kind of have to make some some tough calls sometimes.
So what has that looked like for you growing into
your position and not being such a people pleaser. That's
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such a great question. Well, honestly, up until like twenty
nine years old, which was last summer, I realize I
have been a people pleaser, and I think that's very
natural for humans to care about what people think about you.
But I really would take it to heart. I'm a
two on the indiogram, and I'm an impath, so I
just I feel everybody's emotions and I really take into
account and how people are going to receive what I
do in the decisions I make. And I realize running
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a business means you have to go against the grain
and you have to make wise decisions even when it's hard,
and even when people can't see what you can see.
And I felt that a lot too, because we actually
started our studio in a portable shipping container two years
ago and it was a proof of concept. It was
cash funded by my savings account, and I could charge
a certain price for that, for that studio and for
that ride. And when we moved over just recently two
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months ago to a brand new studio that's two thousand
square feet in the hardest twelveth South, my expenses go up,
so of course my prices have to go up. And
I received a ton of backlash from my loyal writers
about that, and it killed me like it. It really
felt debilitating, and I realized again, you have to go
back to I want to have a studio in four years,
in five years, I want to still be around. So
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I have to make these decisions, and people aren't gonna
like me for them, but you have to just know
your truth. And I always kind of advise having a
like a state of your personal core values, and one
of them for me has always been making wise decisions
even when it's hard, and realizing what your goal is,
what your focus is, and just continuing to stay in
line with who you are and knowing that at the
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end of the day, it's your business or the one
that's responsible. You're the one that has to keep it floating. Right.
And then even as a business owner, you know, or
I'll just speak to leaders in general, you know that
if it fails, it's going to fall back on you.
And that's fine, But you're the one that's going to
make the decision. Yes, not anybody else. But failing is
okay because you learn and your grow from it. Oh yeah,
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And I'm a big believer to if you can be
as a leader, the more transparent you are, the more
you're going to have buy in from your team. So
if I'm making a decision, I want my team to
also feel involved in that decision. Even if I'm still
going to go the way that I want to and
I have adversity there, I'll call a team meeting, especially
with my instructors, because they also are part of the product,
right and they have their face on the schedule and
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they're they're basically representing me, but also they representing the
entire team. And so if I say, hey, guys, I'm
thinking about this, and this is why we're doing it,
giving transparency and learning your seat your team see behind
the y allows for them to kind of be more
bought in on the brand, and they get they get
this sense of ownership, you know, And so as a
as a leader, you're trying to say, hey, this is
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where we're going, this is what I want. What do
you think? And when they can have buy in, they're
just more invested in you. They're gonna work harder, They're
going to be more believable. And so I'm just a
huge believer in being as human as possible. And my
team knows all about me. I walk in, I want
to know how you're doing, how your heart's doing. I
had one of my girls call me last week. She's
having boy problems. I say, hey, I've got ten minutes.
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Let's talk about this, you know, just making sure that
people know that, at the end of the day, I
care about their hearts more than I care about dollar signs.
And so when they know that and they know my intentions,
they are going to work twice as hard for me,
and then we're gonna be on this I call it
a crusade. And so we're on this crusade together trying
to change people's lives through fitness. We're not trying to
cure cancer, but we're doing it together. And I think
if you can be as transparent as possible as a
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leader to the extent that they need to know certain things, um,
you're going to have a more botten team and you're
going to be a tighter as a group. And then
when it comes to the instructors, let's say we are
they're taking a class and y'all are on this crusade.
You say, so, give me an example of what it
might be like if I'm they're riding my bike and
you're empowering me along the way, like not to like
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yellow me through the mike. But I don't know, I'm
trying to envision what it be like to be on
a ride there right now. And why why it was
so important to you to create this environment, because yeah,
other people have done this before. It's not like you're
the first spin studio. But a cat has just said
there's just something different and everybody's welcome and there's no
pressure and you just show up as you are. And
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so let's say we are there, Like, I don't know,
do you even get to teach that much anymore? I do?
I teach too much. I can't wait for the time
and teach so much. I love it. I love it,
but my body is just starting to break down. I
I teach a lot, but how do you speak into
your writer? So I try. I always tell people I
try to teach a class like I would want to
take it, and I have a very soulful kind of style. Um.
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I actually teach a Sunday service class on Sundays and
I played worship music. But I definitely believe in making
people feel something. One of my kind of things that
I realized over years and years of therapy is I
numb myself out when I am going through hard times.
I kind of go in the survival mode. So when
I'm on the bike, I want to feel my feelings.
I want to feel if I'm tired, or if I'm angry,
or if I'm frustrated. So I will teach a class
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based on that and it will be You'll walk in,
my friend does staff, They'll be like, oh my gosh,
they already know your name because they looked you up
on the bike map, and they just want to make
you feel as welcome as possible because fitness is intimidating.
I mean, I own my own studio and I walk
into a studio and I'm still nervous, and so we
want to make sure that everybody feels very very welcome
clipping your bike and it's forty five minutes and it's
just this very therapeutic experience. And some instructors are like,
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you're going to the club. Some instructors are like, I'm
going to church. You know, whatever your style is, but
it's really an experience that gets you out of your
head and more connected into your heart. And I really
believe it is what cured me from a very unhealthy
relationship with my body, anxiety depression. Just being able to
get on the bike, work really really hard and feel
connected to all these other people in this room doing
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the exact same thing that I'm do mean, and probably
feeling very similar feelings as to what I'm feeling. And
again it goes back to just not feeling alone and
knowing like we're in this again crusade together, and the
instructor is somebody that I can look up to and
that I can believe in, and whatever they say, they
mean it. And I think that is what makes us
so different than anybody else in Nashville, and honestly, anyone
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else in the US, not to sound you know, I
just I really think I have the best team in
the US. And our slogan has been heart speed, better Together.
And I just believe that if you you know, if
you want to go fast, that saying go alone, but
if you want to go far, go together. And so
that's that's kind of what we try to do. When
you are in the bike room taking a class, well,
I love that you believe in your studio that much
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to say, yes, we're the best, the best in the world.
And I feel that's encouragement to anybody else listening. Whatever
you're doing, you're the best at it, and like, chase
that and believe that and don't let anybody else tell
you otherwise. I mean, stay humble, but you know what
I mean, like be your biggest cheerletter when I think
a lot of us sometimes our biggest critic there are
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we doubt ourselves. And so let's flip that script. So
I love that you said that as a reminder that
it's okay to to believe in your team and all
that is possible. Yeah, and I and I have a
laundry list of all the things that I know. I
am so not good at and I have a mentor
that actually told me we focus so much on our
weaknesses instead of actually figuring out what our strengths are.
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And so I know my strengths, they're they're not very many,
but I want to focus more on those. In this year,
I just was on pure survival, and probably for the
last twenty nine years, I've been focusing on all my weaknesses.
And this year I'm really trying to shift that mindset
of like, Okay, I know I'm a good instructor, I
know I'm a good leader. I'm not very strategic, I'm
not good at finances, I'm not very good at balancing
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the P and L sheet, But I I know how
to lead a team and I know how to teach
a good spin class. So that's kind of where I
try to focus. So that's in my encouragement to you
guys who are listening, is like, instead of just thinking
about all the things that you need to do better,
focus on the things that you actually do really really well,
and just get better at those things. Yeah, make sure
when the time is right, if you can bring somebody
else along that that's their strengths, then then let them
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delegate and then you focus on what you're good at.
And now I know for sure to why Cat loves it,
because he said, feel your feelings, that's part of her.
You need therapy merch like she gave me a T
shirt and it says feel you're feeling. So love that.
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So you're thirty and an entrepreneur and chaste your dream
and now you're living it out and you have a
boyfriend but you're not married yet, which here in the
South that is definitely like, huh, well why aren't you married?
Or I don't you have kids yet? Or well, what's
the deal. When are you going to get married? When
are you going to have kids? And so you came
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from a childhood of divorce. I don't know what other
relationships looked like for you, but we'll kind of like
cover relationships and this thing and what that looks like
and then also expectations of relationships being a thirty year
old woman in today's society or what I mean in
different parts of the country. It really is so different.
But there is that certain pockets. There is for sure
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pressure to at a certain age to have done X,
Y and Z. Yes, So what has that looked like
for you? So I actually most definitely grew up very
I was super focused on athletics and academics, and then
I didn't really date until my mid twenties, and I
learned some really hard lessons. I dated the guy who
I was trying to fix. I dated the guy who
was emotionally unavailable. And it wasn't until I met Michael,
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who I've been with for three and a half years now,
that I realized that relationships are about just dating your
very best friend, and I didn't have that growing up.
My parents are wonderful people. I love them dearly. They're
better parents separate than they ever were together because they
weren't friends, and so feeling that pressure in a way
at thirty Michael thirty six. So we have some age differences,
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but we also are working through our own not trauma.
To be dramatic. Michael was adopted at seven, and he
was born in Drid and raised in Iraq when he's Iranian,
so he moved over to the US when he was
I think about four, and then bounced around in foster
care until he was about seven. And so he has
his story and I have mine, and we're, you know,
working through that together as a couple and we're in
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no rush. He's very career driven. I'm very career driven.
So and to be clear, I'm going to stop you
real quick to talk about trauma, because it was almost
like you're like, oh, I don't want to be dramatic,
but you going through a divorce as a child, your
parents splitting up, and his background with adoption of foster care,
you both experienced trauma, like there's no doubt about that.
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And I think the more we talk about that kind
of thing, and there's big tea and little tea, which
again shout out Cat for breaking that down for me.
But you have big traumas in your life and you
have little ones, and they impact all of your relationships.
So many interactions that you have in a day could
be based on certain things that happened you in the past.
Were little triggers that you have in a friendship, in
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a romantic relationship, and a business relationship. You can be
triggered at any time. But I just wanted to say
valid trauma um and and everybody's trauma looks different, but
for sure when you're entering into a relationship, and I'm
thankful to hear you say that, because it's good that
y'all are wanting to do that work now before things
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even get more serious, even though three and a half
years it's pretty serious for sure. Yeah, we both just
don't want to get divorced, and I come from it
and his parents are still together. But we we just
want to make sure that we do our job. My
mom always said, you earn your marriage and you earn
your divorce, and you work through both sides of that
fence wherever your life lays. And so with Michael and
I actually just started kind of pre engagement counseling. I
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guess you could say are just kind of working through
some couples therapy together because after starting this business, I've
had some some health issues and I'm exhausted all the time,
and we don't get a ton of time together. And
he's very driven. He's in sales and he's you know,
trying to strive in his career, and so we're trying
to figure out, how do we make sure that we
give our kids the best life If it is us
at the end of the day and we do get married,
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how do we make sure that I become the most
amazing mom that I can be and he can becomes
the most amazing dad that he can be. And I
think not really having an example UM has really led
us to really strive to figure out what that will
look like, and so we want to do that on
the front end before we make any big jump. And
again at thirty I get the question, when are you
Michael getting married? When you Michael getting married? And I'm
just like, well, we're not ready yet, and we're we're
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working towards it. We love each other deeply. He's my
best friend, UM, and he's thirty six and he's getting
the pressure like crazy because all his friends have little
ones running around. But again he's not in any rush,
and I think that gives us so much comfort and
knowing that, like we love each other, we're committed, but
we want to do the do the work prior to
so that on the day, if if God gives us that,
we are so confident in that and and that right
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timing will be according to His will for sure. Oh.
I think that that's some wisdom right there for people
just in relationship. You don't hear too much about counseling
in the dating space. For couples therapy, I guess I should,
which you all are about to start pre engagement therapy,
which would be you and him as a boyfriend girlfriend
going to a couple's therapy session. And it was not
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easy getting him to commit to that for sure. I mean,
he does his own therapy and I I've kind of
been the driver, but he's like, yeah, let's do let's
do this because we both at the end of the day,
like put so much into perspective for us of like
we were spending every day together and my business was
shut down and I was a wreck and he was
trying to survive as well, and so we were just like, wow,
we really love everyday life with each other, every day
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all of and so now it's kind of like, Okay,
what are our barriers now? Where do we want to
be at the end of this year? And I think
being able to have guidance and just being humble enough
to say we need help, like we want to make
sure that we make the right decision, and so we
just want that expert. And I'm a huge believer in therapy.
I've been in therapy since I was like twenty years old.
So what do you think first took you there? My
parents divorced at what age were you when they got
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to so I was eighteen when my mom filed, but
it was a four year long battle, and so I
think I was about twenty two and it finally settled.
But I was living in California going to school, and
I just had a very different college experience. I went
to Pepperdine, which is in Malibu, and everybody is like, oh,
my gosh, you went to the coolest school ever, and
I was like, yes, there was also rated the number
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one loneliest campus in the United States. And I graduated
in three years because I just wanted to get out,
and I think it was a lot to do with
my parents divorced. And I remember I think I was
a freshman in college and I was like, I need help.
And then by sophomore year, I found a therapist who
he changed my life and I would drive I think
I saw him sometimes twice a week because I just
needed somebody to guide me out of this really unhealthy
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pattern that I got myself in as a kid. And
I found identity in my parents divorce. And I didn't
know who I was at twenty two, because when the
divorce was finally over, I was like, who am I
and what do I want? And where am I going, well,
I love that you were able to recognize early on
and that you had the access to therapy. I feel
like so many people, yeah, we do need it, but you,
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especially at a young age, maybe don't have the resources
to do that. So I'm glad that you did. And
now you can use your experience and you take it
to the bike and now at thirty years old, that
that therapy I'm sure that you got back then shows
up with you now. And you know, if you're listening
right now, we talk about therapy on the podcast a lot.
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It just comes up, especially because I just finished that book.
I feel like a broken record because I talked about
this book like every episode now, but I just loved it.
Was you need therapy. That it's so good, and you know,
maybe if you're looking to dip your toe into what
therapy might look like, grab that book. It's written by
a therapist and she's going to Actually, I we have
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the date that she's gonna be on I'm going to
interview her for the podcast, but I think it'll be
towards the end of February. We were comparing calendars and
we finally got a date book. So I'm excited about that.
But then Kat who introduced us, she also has a
podcast You Need Therapy, and I talk about that being
a resource, like it's not going to replace therapy, but
let's say therapy is not possible for you right now,
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maybe that's an option, or certain books might be an option,
or just looking into other podcasts that might pertain to
whatever it is that was your trauma. Is it a
childhood divorce, Are you in an abusive relationship? Are you
stuck in a job and you don't understand why do
you have an eating disorder? Other body image issues? Like whatever?
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It is, like as dangerous as the Internet is at times,
or like as frustrated as we get with Instagram or
social media, and how toxic speaking of toxic that can be.
It also was, gosh, it's right at our fingertips. So
many resources, and I've met so many amazing people from
social media. I mean, Mary, one of my best friends
and my business partner, met her on Twitter shoutout. She
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also went to Pepperdine so and you reference that as
being one of the loneliest campuses on what in a poll?
Yeah that it was like a study back when I
was in school, and I actually almost transferred out of Pepperdine.
I'm glad I didn't because I ended up brushing its already.
But I think part of it is because of their
students are in Greek life, and so if you're not
in Greek life, you can feel very isolated. And it's
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in Malibu, so it's just it's a different part of
the world, you know, like Malibus is this little cocoon
and it's beautiful, and it's in school. I mean, you
get to go to school on the beach essentially, but
if you don't have a strong community, which I think
everything just comes back to who you're around, it can
feel very isolating. And I did experience that, but I
also was going through a lot at the time, so
it was it was just a different kind of experience
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for me. But for a lot of people that went,
they loved it. I just had a very different college experience.
Well it's almost an example of like anywhere people are,
if you don't have your people or your community, things
can be very lonely and isolating. So yeah, well, thank
you for sharing some of your therapy experience with us,
and then even props to you and your boyfriend going
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to pre engagement therapy. I love it. No. Actually, in
the middle of us recording the segment, we had to
press pause because Bobby face timed me and he is
about to get married to Caitlin, and I think now
Caitlin heard me in the background say pre engagement therapy,
and I know that that's He was like, oh, interesting,
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sounds interesting. But I know she's going to probably be like, wait,
does that be already engaged? Maybe we need to go
to pre marital counseling, which is often times what people do.
But yeah, I just think that there's so much that
can can come out that can be beneficial in therapy,
but also in case you have some weird thing or
your family does, or maybe whoever you're dating does they
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have a stigma like it's they don't therapy. No, I
can never do that. Gosh, You're just given so many
tools that you can use in relationships that can help you.
Maybe it's not even a romantic relationship, it could be
in friendships or again in business relationships. So I just
appreciate you talking with us today about so much. Before
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we wrap up fully, I would love for you to
share four things that you are thankful for. I am
thankful for my incredible supportive family. I would be lost
without them. I am thankful for my team again, I
would be lost without them. I'm thankful for the ability
to move my body, and I'm just thankful to be
able to be here today with you. I feel so
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honored and way out of my link to be here.
But just thank you Amy so much for being so
wonderful and letting me share some of my little life
with you. Well, thank you for being here. And where
can we find full Ride on Instagram or even you?
Do you do your account? And that one? Yes, So
I am Kinsey Todd and then full Ride. It's full
Ride Cycling And we have a studio right in twelveth
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South or right off tenth Avenue in Nashville. We've been
around for a couple of years and um, we're gonna
keep going. So I love that and appreciate you sharing
your gratitude with us the four things you're thankful for.
And I'll just close out with a quick reminder that
we are going to do our gratitude challenge coming up
in the month of March. We did it last year.
It's just every day trying to write down and be
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intentional about taking notes of four things so that you
are thankful for and you could do it at any
journal that you want, or any know notebook that you have,
or we do have our four Things Gratitude journal that
is super cute, that has inspirational quotes and stickers and
recipes even in the back, and prompts for days that
you're kind of struggling, and it's yeah, I think I
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already said it's super cute because Mary and I designed it.
But it also supports um project meta share in Haiti
and education there and the work that they're doing, So
radio amy dot com if you want to have access
to that, all right, thank you, Kinsey, and I will
be taking a full ride class soon. Yes, I told
her i'd show up on a Saturday one day, so
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I'll be there
Okay, cap little food for you. So life ain't Oh
it's pretty, but it's pretty beautiful thing that a little
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moth kicking with four brown So super excited to have
at Kinsey Todd joined me for all four things today.
My friend and licensed therapist Cat de Fata introduced me
to Kinsey and said she's gonna be amazing. You gotta
have her on. And I must say, have any of
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you ever thought of doing therapy with your boyfriend, like
pre engagement counseling and so you know you hear a
pre marital but Kinsey definitely has some thoughts on that.
She's in a relationship right now where they're about to
start that process. But the first thing I'm actually going
to get into with Kinsey is leaving a corporate job
to follow a dream. Some of you right now it
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might feel stuck in a career and you're scared to
really chase after something that you're passionate about, and Kinsey
is gonna be able to speak to that and give
you a little hope there with that. Then the second
thing is was it like to build the cycle studio
that she wanted to full ride cycle? Now you may
not be in the Fitness World. Mackenzie definitely has some
advice to offer on the type of environment you want
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to create at work and being a leader in that environment.
The third thing is people pleasing versus making the right
decision for you. And then yeah, we shift gears in
the fourth thing and get into relationships and therapy talk. So, Kinsey,
it's awesome to have you here today, and let's get
into what it looked like for you leaving a corporate
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job and following your dream. That happened in my later twenties,
and I was one of those people that graduated college
and I had no idea what I wanted to do
with my life. So I just picked a career. And
I actually worked in the music industry in l A
for a while and realized l A was not where
I wanted to be, moved to Nashville, worked in finance,
and just dabbled in a bunch of different things, and
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I at one point had four different jobs because I
was like, Okay, what do I want to do? And
I was working, you know, eighty hours a week to
try to figure out what exactly it was. That like
just basically fueled my fire and it realized that I
was put on this earth to teach spin classes, and
as crazy as it sounds, it was what I was
just thinking about all the time. And I realized at
twenty six, I was like, if I don't do this,
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if I don't leave this corporate nine to five job,
I will always regret it for the rest of my life.
So I built up enough of a savings account to
be able to really focus on what it was that
I wanted, and I just kind of did it, knowing
that the fear of not doing it was what was
going to haunt me. And I think that that's something
that people can always look at of do I want
this corporate nine to five? Am I okay with that?
Or I'm am I okay? Which is really going for it?
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And that's kind of where I focus all my energy
of like I'm not going to regret it. I just
I'm too young to do that. And then did you
find yourself doing your corporate job because that's what you
had to do to pay the bill, but then when
you got home you were pouring yourself into your passion exactly. Yes,
I'm an early riser, So I would honestly wake up
at like four thirty or five in the morning, and
I would either teach a class or I would go
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take a class to learn, and then I drive to
Franklin and I'd work my my corporate job, and then
during my lunch break, I would work on my business plan. Um,
which is how I ended up starting my own business.
I did it while I was still working my corporate job,
and then after I was done my nine five, I'd
go back to the studio and teach my class and
just really figure out is this what I wanted to do,
because I wanted to make sure it was calculated enough
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where I was responsible. But at the same time, I
did something that just lit me up and I needed that.
I just was somebody that needed to feel fulfilled. And
the way that I did that was just to pour
into people through fitness. And that was when I realized, Okay,
I've got to leave this desk job. This is not fulfilling,
this is not what God brought me on this earth
to do. And so I just I took the jump,
but it was very calculated. I had at least about
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three months under my belt of navig getting a multiple
different jobs, and then I decided, Okay, I've got to leave.
It's time give me the time frame of when you
had this realization and then when you actually implemented it,
because I also want to be realistic for people of like,
is it something that you had manifested in a way
like you put it on a vision board or however
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people do it. I mean I feel like you waking
up I five morning and then using your lunch break
in a way as you creating your vision, You're focusing
on it, You're thinking about it. But from when you
had the thought that you knew this is what you
had to do to when you actually your last day
and your corporate job, it was like eight years. If
I'm mean fully honest, I was. I was nineteen, and
I'll never forget I always as females, you know, we
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have relationship with our bodies. But I had a very
unhealthy relationship in l A and I would work out
and I just I could not figure out a way
to enjoy that. And so when I moved to Nashville,
I started teaching on the side, like I mentioned, and
working my corporate job. But when I was nineteen, I thought, wow,
I would be so cool to own my own studio
one day. It's very like sexy and very you know,
very enticing to want to do that, but then when
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you get into the nitty gritty of it, you really
have to be committed because you are using your body
and it's very exhausting. And I realized, Okay, do I
really really want to do this? And so for about
eight years I really just thought through it. I made
sure I got a job in fitness, and I still
continued to love it. And then it finally hit me
when I was twenty six and I was working at
a local studio in town, and I loved what I did,
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but I just didn't love the way the business was
going and the way the leadership. I just was like,
we could do this so much better, is what I
kept telling myself, and really feel like I could do better.
You know. Well, that's what we're gonna get into in
the second thing is why you built full Ride the
way you did that. You designed it and you have
certain teachers and your everything is for a certain reason,
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and I think probably coming from l A and maybe
being in a certain environment. I have friends that have
lived in l A and just moved here and just
felt like they could breathe because everything there there was
so much pressure, all the time, and there was multiple
workout classes a day. Just you felt like you had
to juice all the time. And just the culture there
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is very suffocating, suffocating, it's very lonely and and that's
really what got me into cycling. My girlfriend dragged me
to a soul cycle class and I was like, I'm
not going because I can't afford it. I know I'm
gonna get hooked on it, and that's exactly what happened.
And it was the one thing that I felt kind
of like what you talked about, where you just you
connect people and you make people feel like they're not alone.
That is what to me fitnesses and particularly this style
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of fitness. And so yeah, coming from l A, I
could breathe in Nashville and I will. I will never
leave Yea. I love it. And that would probably be
my encouragement to anybody. You may not be in l A.
You may be here in Nashville, whatever your environment is,
are you able to breathe like or maybe you're listening
right now in Texas or d C or in another country.
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I don't know, but like, look around at your environment,
your surroundings, the people you're with, the types of workouts
you're doing, can you breathe? And I think that that's
just an important thing. Oh well, I mean to speak
to exactly what we're talking about in this thing your career.
Are you Are you able to fully be yourself if
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you have a certain job and that's what's paying the bills? Like,
by all means, yes, keep doing that, but how can
you incorporate some of your passions, whether it's like you
were doing teaching a couple of times a week, or
doing a Saturday type thing or waking up early and
making sure that you're getting that fulfillment somewhere. Yes, exactly,
and do you One of my things too, is like
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do I am I proud of who I'm becoming in this?
And that was one of the things that I realized
in the corporate world. I just I was getting so
lost and so down and so unsure of who I was.
I was not growing into the woman I wanted to be.
I was almost retracting from who I really wanted. And
I tried so many different things, and the one thing
that lit my soul on fire was teaching spin classes.
And it didn't make any sense. My dad didn't believe
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in it at first, my family thought I was crazy,
But you really have to have enough faith to know, like, no,
this is what I really need to do. And I
was twenty seven. I mean, most people figure out what
they want to do when they're eighteen, if you're lucky.
But the reality is we don't figure it out un
till later, and you have to try so many different
things and you don't know until you do. And then
when you figure it out, you put your whole heart
and soul into it. And I believe that if you
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work hard enough for anything, you'll get there. You just
have to work hard enough and want it bad enough. Yeah,
and some people might be thirty seven, forty seven, fifty seven,
like there's I mean, it really can come in at
different types, depending on you know, the path that life
has taken you on and what you're open to. You
mentioned before you did you weren't going to let the
fear stop you from doing it, and so I think
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for a lot of us, to fear paralyzes our our
brain from even going there and it doesn't seem attainable.
So if you strip that away and you just go
for it no matter what. Quickly before we get into
the next thing you mentioned, your dad or family. Eventually,
once you did decide to do it, did you have
a certain support group that you would lean on to
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take such a leap. My mom, honestly has been incredibly supportive.
She's just always been the one that's very emotionally sound
in the way of Ken's you got to go pursue
your dreams. So what if you fail, like she kept
coming back to, like, okay, and if it doesn't work
so well, like you start over. And I do that
very that Tim ferrissing where you kind of play out
every worst case scenario. Okay, so you filed bankruptcy, that's
that's awful, But is that is your life over? No?
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So that is kind of how my family kind of restructured.
I think my mom was the biggest one to be like, yeah,
go do it. And then my brother he's also a
fellow entrepreneur. He runs his own tech company in l a.
And my dad's a big entrepreneur in Canada. And they're
very realistic and so they didn't really believe in the
in fitness, but they're like, if you love it and
if it fails, you know, you'll learn a lot. And
that was my mentality. I was like, if it fails,
I'll have learned a lot and of a great story,
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and I'll have done something that I'm very proud of.
And and I just again, I go back to the
I couldn't not do it. That's what pushed me to
go do it. Was like at to a point in
my life where I was like, I can't not do this.
I will regret it for the rest of my life
if I don't. Yeah, it's interesting that your mom played
a role in helping encourage you in that decision, because
when I took the leap into radio from sales, I
was twenty four or five and I had never done
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radio before and got an offer to be on the
morning show, which is something a coveted spot that people
work years to get to that position. In fact, one
of my first days starting the Bobby Bones Show in Austin,
I was at the printer and someone at a local
another station, like an older person that's been radio forever.
I was at the Printer and They're like, oh, you
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know the new intern over there, and I was like, no,
I'm the new co host. And I was so naive
to the fact, and now that I'm in it, I
know what I got extremely lucky. But I was considering
not even doing it because I was scared that I
didn't know what I was doing and why would I
leave this amazing sales job that I have to go
do something. I took a pay cut, but I was
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going to get paid to talk, which just seemed unreal
to me. But my mom sat me down and was like, look,
if there's ever a time to do it, now is
the time to do it. You're young, give it a try.
But I would take my mom's advice and then wipe
away the age thing like no matter what, if you're
feeling it and you're thinking, this could be something exciting
and cool, even if it is a pay cut or
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you are going to get judged for like who do
you think you are? You have no experience doing this,
who cares? Like if you have an opportunity, go for it.
Don't let certain fears take over, and now's the time.
Now's the time. And then to like it makes me
think of that tree analogy when I may butcher it
because I'm just gonna say, but I mean, the time
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to plant a tree was yesterday or ten years ago
or whatever, because planning the seed, because like you're going
to constantly look back and be like, oh man, I
should have just done it then, because then my tree
would be growing exactly and instead I put off all right, Well,
next thing, let's get into what full Ride Cycle is
all about him what that means to you. So Kat
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was so excited when she auditioned. Is that the word
audition to be an instructor at a full Ride cycle?
And being that she's a therapist and done lot of
work on herself and obviously has a lot of clients, like,
it's important for her to be at a place that's
like amazing. She doesn't want to be in an environment
that's toxic in any way, which some workout spaces can
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be that way. So why did you design full Cycle?
I know a lot of people listening. They might not
be here in Nashville, so they won't have the opportunity
to go down to the twelfth South area where you
all are. But if you're ever visiting, a lot of
people come here for trips, or if you do live here,
I'd encourage you all to check it out. But also,
wherever you live, find a place like this that Kinsey
is about to explain to you, Because I already know
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a little bit from Cat and I'm going to come
check it out soon. But tell us why it was
important to lay out Full Ride the way you did well.
So Full Ride for me was you spend the most
amount of time with people that you work with. And
so I really want to make sure that I'm constantly
surrounded by people who are just better than me, faster
than me, smarter than me, all those things. And when
I started Full Ride, I had a few things that
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I just were non negotiable, as one of them is gossip.
I actually have fired somebody because of gossip. I really
want people to have high integrity because if you're going
to be on the microphone and teaching a class on
a Saturday morning and having a full room of years
and you're telling them to work harder and you know,
believing yourself and and go after the things that you want,
you have to be able to represent that off to
bike as well. And so I think the reason that
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Full Ride has been so successful is that I have
an army behind me of just upstanding people. And I
think that's what's drawn Katan, who is one of those
people who wants to better those lives around her, and
she's one of those ones that I was just I've
had my eye on She doesn't even know this, but
I've had my eye on her for years, and I've
taken her class before. But I really believe that you
attract the kind of people that you want, and so
I wanted to build that because I had never had that.
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You kind of learned, like when you date somebody, like oh,
I realized I don't like this about that person, or
I don't like this quality. I've tried to take everything
that I've learned in my jobs and especially at the
studio that I previously worked at, and try to kind
of do what I didn't like and try to implement
a really safe place for people to love, because at
the end of the day, we're working out and we're
trying to better our clients lives, and if we can't
do that behind the scenes, we're going to fail within
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six months. Yeah, So whenever you have to approach someone,
I'm just trying to think of, like again back to environment,
when you have a firm hey, no gossip rule. And
that's probably just one example. There might be other things.
What is it like as being the one in charge
now that has to enforce that that environment. I'm sure
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at some point it's like, yeah, we're just not going
to tolerate that. Maybe there's grace in the beginning, but like, hey,
heads up, we're not about that. I'm just thinking too
for other people that are building a brand or building
a business or managing people. I'm just trying to think
of like if I was in that position and someone
gossiped and then I'm like, you know, okay, is it
one strikeer out? Is it like three? Or is a
great question. And I think the number one thing I
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try to do is lead by example. Now I am
human and I'm imperfect, but I really try to make
sure that I'm never speaking poorly about people in front
of my team. I have thirty two people on the
team now, and they range from like twenty all the
way up to like thirty I think, like thirty five
years old. So I am not the youngest on the team,
but I am, you know, one of the oldest. And
I feel like, I it's my due diligence to be
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somewhat of a mentor to these younger girls who are
working in the front desk. Um. But also they just
know because when when they start, I just I'm very
clear with here's our core values as a team and
as a brand. Here's my personal core values. And I
hope that yours aligned with us, because if they don't,
you're just gonna you're not gonna feel comfortable here. And
we do a ton of recruitment, and we really do
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some almost like not background checks, but in a way
just kind of I call references. I stock their social media.
I just kind of see who they're about, to see
that if they're going to be in line with our brand.
Because at the end of the day, if if they
don't like it here, they're going to infuse a very
toxic kind of culture, even if they're not saying bad
things about us so or about other people. So I
really try to just be one that influence and be
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that example. And then two, I will tend to pull
people aside and say, hey, you know this, I totally
you're new here, or maybe I wasn't clear on the expectation,
and that's on me, you know, always trying to take
accountability as a leader to be like, I'm sorry I
didn't explain this very well to you, but this is
how we do it here. So just going forward and
I go by you know, compliments go down and complaints
go up. So I always try to compliment my team,
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make sure it's very light and positive, and then if
they have anything that they want to talk to me about,
if somebody said something or a client or whatever, they
always have a safe place with me to bring that.
That to me isn't considered gossip because you know, you've
got to do something about certain situations. But for the
most part, we try to be an example and we
hold each other accountable. We say, hey, you know what,
we don't talk like that, and we're like, oh, you're right,
you're right, thank you, thank you for keeping me in check.
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And again, we just try to make each other better.
And at the end of the day, that's what we
want because that's who we spend the most amount of
time with, is the people that we work with. So
I feel so blessed to have these incredible people that
also keep me in line with who I am and
where I want to go and where I want the
brand to go as well. I refer to it again,
it's just my army of people that do this with me.
I don't ever feel like I'm the boss. I just
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kind of feel like I work with all of my
favorite people. You mentioned Tim Ferris early You're so, is
there any other people that you look to or have
read their books? Are probably in leadership in business that
you pull from. Yes, well, So, I used to work
at Ramsey Solutions down in Franklin. I know it's kind
of it can be like a tough subject there, but
I did learn so much from a leader that I
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looked up to so intensely. His name is Daniel Tardy.
He was actually my direct leader down there with Entree Leadership.
I also I'm a huge fan of Tim Keller and
Gary Thomas, just a lot of like more biblical based
teachings that I really try to implement in my studio
because I'm just a huge believer that at the end
of the day, I can do everything I can to
infiltrate a positive culture and try to keep my business
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alive during a global pandemic, but at the end of
the day, as a believer, it comes down to Jesus.
So I really try to focus a lot on biblical
teachings that I bring into the studio. Without you don't
have to have faith to work there. That's not at
all what I'm saying, but that is kind of where
I put a lot of my outside focus into to
try to infiltrate that kind of positivity within the studio.
I love that, and I think that you know, when
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I first asked you the question, even though it was
like gossip was the example, and you're like, oh, that's
a good question, and then you gave the answer, and
I was saying the whole time, I was like, yeah, no,
but that's a really good answer. And I feel like
a lot of people again that may have to manage
a group, whether it's a team of one that works
alongside you or a team of thirty or forty. Um
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management can be so tricky, and keeping a non toxic
environment can be the whole job in itself, and so
when you're also trying to do other day to day
tasks that you have to do to keep your business
growing and flowing, and props to you the whole time
you were answering, I was like, wow. And then say
your age again, I'm thirty thirty, Yeah, very mature for
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your age. I'm thirty nine, but I'm even trying to
think of where I was business wise in my head
at thirty. So you should talk to my family. They're
like you're losing it, and I'm like, yeah, most of
the time I'm losing it, but yeah, I try to
keep it together. But so when it comes to people
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pleasing versus making the right decision for you, I feel
like so many of us fall into that category of like,
I want everybody to like me. I don't want to
be mad at me. But when you're a leader, you
kind of have to make some some tough calls sometimes.
So what has that looked like for you growing into
your position and not being such a people pleaser. That's
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such a great question. Well, honestly, up until like twenty
nine years old, which was last summer, I realize I
have been a people pleaser, and I think that's very
natural for humans to care about what people think about you.
But I really would take it to heart. I'm a
two on the indiogram, and I'm an impath, so I
just I feel everybody's emotions and I really take into
account and how people are going to receive what I
do in the decisions I make. And I realize running
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a business means you have to go against the grain
and you have to make wise decisions even when it's hard,
and even when people can't see what you can see.
And I felt that a lot too, because we actually
started our studio in a portable shipping container two years
ago and it was a proof of concept. It was
cash funded by my savings account, and I could charge
a certain price for that, for that studio and for
that ride. And when we moved over just recently two
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months ago to a brand new studio that's two thousand
square feet in the hardest twelveth South, my expenses go up,
so of course my prices have to go up. And
I received a ton of backlash from my loyal writers
about that, and it killed me like it. It really
felt debilitating, and I realized again, you have to go
back to I want to have a studio in four years,
in five years, I want to still be around. So
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I have to make these decisions, and people aren't gonna
like me for them, but you have to just know
your truth. And I always kind of advise having a
like a state of your personal core values, and one
of them for me has always been making wise decisions
even when it's hard, and realizing what your goal is,
what your focus is, and just continuing to stay in
line with who you are and knowing that at the
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end of the day, it's your business or the one
that's responsible. You're the one that has to keep it floating. Right.
And then even as a business owner, you know, or
I'll just speak to leaders in general, you know that
if it fails, it's going to fall back on you.
And that's fine, But you're the one that's going to
make the decision. Yes, not anybody else. But failing is
okay because you learn and your grow from it. Oh yeah,
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And I'm a big believer to if you can be
as a leader, the more transparent you are, the more
you're going to have buy in from your team. So
if I'm making a decision, I want my team to
also feel involved in that decision. Even if I'm still
going to go the way that I want to and
I have adversity there, I'll call a team meeting, especially
with my instructors, because they also are part of the product,
right and they have their face on the schedule and
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they're they're basically representing me, but also they representing the
entire team. And so if I say, hey, guys, I'm
thinking about this, and this is why we're doing it,
giving transparency and learning your seat your team see behind
the y allows for them to kind of be more
bought in on the brand, and they get they get
this sense of ownership, you know, And so as a
as a leader, you're trying to say, hey, this is
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where we're going, this is what I want. What do
you think? And when they can have buy in, they're
just more invested in you. They're gonna work harder, They're
going to be more believable. And so I'm just a
huge believer in being as human as possible. And my
team knows all about me. I walk in, I want
to know how you're doing, how your heart's doing. I
had one of my girls call me last week. She's
having boy problems. I say, hey, I've got ten minutes.
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Let's talk about this, you know, just making sure that
people know that, at the end of the day, I
care about their hearts more than I care about dollar signs.
And so when they know that and they know my intentions,
they are going to work twice as hard for me,
and then we're gonna be on this I call it
a crusade. And so we're on this crusade together trying
to change people's lives through fitness. We're not trying to
cure cancer, but we're doing it together. And I think
if you can be as transparent as possible as a
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leader to the extent that they need to know certain things, um,
you're going to have a more botten team and you're
going to be a tighter as a group. And then
when it comes to the instructors, let's say we are
they're taking a class and y'all are on this crusade.
You say, so, give me an example of what it
might be like if I'm they're riding my bike and
you're empowering me along the way, like not to like
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yellow me through the mike. But I don't know, I'm
trying to envision what it be like to be on
a ride there right now. And why why it was
so important to you to create this environment, because yeah,
other people have done this before. It's not like you're
the first spin studio. But a cat has just said
there's just something different and everybody's welcome and there's no
pressure and you just show up as you are. And
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so let's say we are there, Like, I don't know,
do you even get to teach that much anymore? I do?
I teach too much. I can't wait for the time
and teach so much. I love it. I love it,
but my body is just starting to break down. I
I teach a lot, but how do you speak into
your writer? So I try. I always tell people I
try to teach a class like I would want to
take it, and I have a very soulful kind of style. Um.
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I actually teach a Sunday service class on Sundays and
I played worship music. But I definitely believe in making
people feel something. One of my kind of things that
I realized over years and years of therapy is I
numb myself out when I am going through hard times.
I kind of go in the survival mode. So when
I'm on the bike, I want to feel my feelings.
I want to feel if I'm tired, or if I'm angry,
or if I'm frustrated. So I will teach a class
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based on that and it will be You'll walk in,
my friend does staff, They'll be like, oh my gosh,
they already know your name because they looked you up
on the bike map, and they just want to make
you feel as welcome as possible because fitness is intimidating.
I mean, I own my own studio and I walk
into a studio and I'm still nervous, and so we
want to make sure that everybody feels very very welcome
clipping your bike and it's forty five minutes and it's
just this very therapeutic experience. And some instructors are like,
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you're going to the club. Some instructors are like, I'm
going to church. You know, whatever your style is, but
it's really an experience that gets you out of your
head and more connected into your heart. And I really
believe it is what cured me from a very unhealthy
relationship with my body, anxiety depression. Just being able to
get on the bike, work really really hard and feel
connected to all these other people in this room doing
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the exact same thing that I'm do mean, and probably
feeling very similar feelings as to what I'm feeling. And
again it goes back to just not feeling alone and
knowing like we're in this again crusade together, and the
instructor is somebody that I can look up to and
that I can believe in, and whatever they say, they
mean it. And I think that is what makes us
so different than anybody else in Nashville, and honestly, anyone
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else in the US, not to sound you know, I
just I really think I have the best team in
the US. And our slogan has been heart speed, better Together.
And I just believe that if you you know, if
you want to go fast, that saying go alone, but
if you want to go far, go together. And so
that's that's kind of what we try to do. When
you are in the bike room taking a class, well,
I love that you believe in your studio that much
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to say, yes, we're the best, the best in the world.
And I feel that's encouragement to anybody else listening. Whatever
you're doing, you're the best at it, and like, chase
that and believe that and don't let anybody else tell
you otherwise. I mean, stay humble, but you know what
I mean, like be your biggest cheerletter when I think
a lot of us sometimes our biggest critic there are
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we doubt ourselves. And so let's flip that script. So
I love that you said that as a reminder that
it's okay to to believe in your team and all
that is possible. Yeah, and I and I have a
laundry list of all the things that I know. I
am so not good at and I have a mentor
that actually told me we focus so much on our
weaknesses instead of actually figuring out what our strengths are.
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And so I know my strengths, they're they're not very many,
but I want to focus more on those. In this year,
I just was on pure survival, and probably for the
last twenty nine years, I've been focusing on all my weaknesses.
And this year I'm really trying to shift that mindset
of like, Okay, I know I'm a good instructor, I
know I'm a good leader. I'm not very strategic, I'm
not good at finances, I'm not very good at balancing
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the P and L sheet, But I I know how
to lead a team and I know how to teach
a good spin class. So that's kind of where I
try to focus. So that's in my encouragement to you
guys who are listening, is like, instead of just thinking
about all the things that you need to do better,
focus on the things that you actually do really really well,
and just get better at those things. Yeah, make sure
when the time is right, if you can bring somebody
else along that that's their strengths, then then let them
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delegate and then you focus on what you're good at.
And now I know for sure to why Cat loves it,
because he said, feel your feelings, that's part of her.
You need therapy merch like she gave me a T
shirt and it says feel you're feeling. So love that.
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So you're thirty and an entrepreneur and chaste your dream
and now you're living it out and you have a
boyfriend but you're not married yet, which here in the
South that is definitely like, huh, well why aren't you married?
Or I don't you have kids yet? Or well, what's
the deal. When are you going to get married? When
are you going to have kids? And so you came
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from a childhood of divorce. I don't know what other
relationships looked like for you, but we'll kind of like
cover relationships and this thing and what that looks like
and then also expectations of relationships being a thirty year
old woman in today's society or what I mean in
different parts of the country. It really is so different.
But there is that certain pockets. There is for sure
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pressure to at a certain age to have done X,
Y and Z. Yes, So what has that looked like
for you? So I actually most definitely grew up very
I was super focused on athletics and academics, and then
I didn't really date until my mid twenties, and I
learned some really hard lessons. I dated the guy who
I was trying to fix. I dated the guy who
was emotionally unavailable. And it wasn't until I met Michael,
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who I've been with for three and a half years now,
that I realized that relationships are about just dating your
very best friend, and I didn't have that growing up.
My parents are wonderful people. I love them dearly. They're
better parents separate than they ever were together because they
weren't friends, and so feeling that pressure in a way
at thirty Michael thirty six. So we have some age differences,
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but we also are working through our own not trauma.
To be dramatic. Michael was adopted at seven, and he
was born in Drid and raised in Iraq when he's Iranian,
so he moved over to the US when he was
I think about four, and then bounced around in foster
care until he was about seven. And so he has
his story and I have mine, and we're, you know,
working through that together as a couple and we're in
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no rush. He's very career driven. I'm very career driven.
So and to be clear, I'm going to stop you
real quick to talk about trauma, because it was almost
like you're like, oh, I don't want to be dramatic,
but you going through a divorce as a child, your
parents splitting up, and his background with adoption of foster care,
you both experienced trauma, like there's no doubt about that.
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And I think the more we talk about that kind
of thing, and there's big tea and little tea, which
again shout out Cat for breaking that down for me.
But you have big traumas in your life and you
have little ones, and they impact all of your relationships.
So many interactions that you have in a day could
be based on certain things that happened you in the past.
Were little triggers that you have in a friendship, in
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a romantic relationship, and a business relationship. You can be
triggered at any time. But I just wanted to say
valid trauma um and and everybody's trauma looks different, but
for sure when you're entering into a relationship, and I'm
thankful to hear you say that, because it's good that
y'all are wanting to do that work now before things
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even get more serious, even though three and a half
years it's pretty serious for sure. Yeah, we both just
don't want to get divorced, and I come from it
and his parents are still together. But we we just
want to make sure that we do our job. My
mom always said, you earn your marriage and you earn
your divorce, and you work through both sides of that
fence wherever your life lays. And so with Michael and
I actually just started kind of pre engagement counseling. I
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guess you could say are just kind of working through
some couples therapy together because after starting this business, I've
had some some health issues and I'm exhausted all the time,
and we don't get a ton of time together. And
he's very driven. He's in sales and he's you know,
trying to strive in his career, and so we're trying
to figure out, how do we make sure that we
give our kids the best life If it is us
at the end of the day and we do get married,
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how do we make sure that I become the most
amazing mom that I can be and he can becomes
the most amazing dad that he can be. And I
think not really having an example UM has really led
us to really strive to figure out what that will
look like, and so we want to do that on
the front end before we make any big jump. And
again at thirty I get the question, when are you
Michael getting married? When you Michael getting married? And I'm
just like, well, we're not ready yet, and we're we're
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working towards it. We love each other deeply. He's my
best friend, UM, and he's thirty six and he's getting
the pressure like crazy because all his friends have little
ones running around. But again he's not in any rush,
and I think that gives us so much comfort and
knowing that, like we love each other, we're committed, but
we want to do the do the work prior to
so that on the day, if if God gives us that,
we are so confident in that and and that right
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timing will be according to His will for sure. Oh.
I think that that's some wisdom right there for people
just in relationship. You don't hear too much about counseling
in the dating space. For couples therapy, I guess I should,
which you all are about to start pre engagement therapy,
which would be you and him as a boyfriend girlfriend
going to a couple's therapy session. And it was not
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easy getting him to commit to that for sure. I mean,
he does his own therapy and I I've kind of
been the driver, but he's like, yeah, let's do let's
do this because we both at the end of the day,
like put so much into perspective for us of like
we were spending every day together and my business was
shut down and I was a wreck and he was
trying to survive as well, and so we were just like, wow,
we really love everyday life with each other, every day
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all of and so now it's kind of like, Okay,
what are our barriers now? Where do we want to
be at the end of this year? And I think
being able to have guidance and just being humble enough
to say we need help, like we want to make
sure that we make the right decision, and so we
just want that expert. And I'm a huge believer in therapy.
I've been in therapy since I was like twenty years old.
So what do you think first took you there? My
parents divorced at what age were you when they got
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to so I was eighteen when my mom filed, but
it was a four year long battle, and so I
think I was about twenty two and it finally settled.
But I was living in California going to school, and
I just had a very different college experience. I went
to Pepperdine, which is in Malibu, and everybody is like, oh,
my gosh, you went to the coolest school ever, and
I was like, yes, there was also rated the number
(33:13):
one loneliest campus in the United States. And I graduated
in three years because I just wanted to get out,
and I think it was a lot to do with
my parents divorced. And I remember I think I was
a freshman in college and I was like, I need help.
And then by sophomore year, I found a therapist who
he changed my life and I would drive I think
I saw him sometimes twice a week because I just
needed somebody to guide me out of this really unhealthy
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pattern that I got myself in as a kid. And
I found identity in my parents divorce. And I didn't
know who I was at twenty two, because when the
divorce was finally over, I was like, who am I
and what do I want? And where am I going, well,
I love that you were able to recognize early on
and that you had the access to therapy. I feel
like so many people, yeah, we do need it, but you,
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especially at a young age, maybe don't have the resources
to do that. So I'm glad that you did. And
now you can use your experience and you take it
to the bike and now at thirty years old, that
that therapy I'm sure that you got back then shows
up with you now. And you know, if you're listening
right now, we talk about therapy on the podcast a lot.
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It just comes up, especially because I just finished that book.
I feel like a broken record because I talked about
this book like every episode now, but I just loved it.
Was you need therapy. That it's so good, and you know,
maybe if you're looking to dip your toe into what
therapy might look like, grab that book. It's written by
a therapist and she's going to Actually, I we have
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the date that she's gonna be on I'm going to
interview her for the podcast, but I think it'll be
towards the end of February. We were comparing calendars and
we finally got a date book. So I'm excited about that.
But then Kat who introduced us, she also has a
podcast You Need Therapy, and I talk about that being
a resource, like it's not going to replace therapy, but
let's say therapy is not possible for you right now,
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maybe that's an option, or certain books might be an option,
or just looking into other podcasts that might pertain to
whatever it is that was your trauma. Is it a
childhood divorce, Are you in an abusive relationship? Are you
stuck in a job and you don't understand why do
you have an eating disorder? Other body image issues? Like whatever?
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It is, like as dangerous as the Internet is at times,
or like as frustrated as we get with Instagram or
social media, and how toxic speaking of toxic that can be.
It also was, gosh, it's right at our fingertips. So
many resources, and I've met so many amazing people from
social media. I mean, Mary, one of my best friends
and my business partner, met her on Twitter shoutout. She
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also went to Pepperdine so and you reference that as
being one of the loneliest campuses on what in a poll?
Yeah that it was like a study back when I
was in school, and I actually almost transferred out of Pepperdine.
I'm glad I didn't because I ended up brushing its already.
But I think part of it is because of their
students are in Greek life, and so if you're not
in Greek life, you can feel very isolated. And it's
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in Malibu, so it's just it's a different part of
the world, you know, like Malibus is this little cocoon
and it's beautiful, and it's in school. I mean, you
get to go to school on the beach essentially, but
if you don't have a strong community, which I think
everything just comes back to who you're around, it can
feel very isolating. And I did experience that, but I
also was going through a lot at the time, so
it was it was just a different kind of experience
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for me. But for a lot of people that went,
they loved it. I just had a very different college experience.
Well it's almost an example of like anywhere people are,
if you don't have your people or your community, things
can be very lonely and isolating. So yeah, well, thank
you for sharing some of your therapy experience with us,
and then even props to you and your boyfriend going
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to pre engagement therapy. I love it. No. Actually, in
the middle of us recording the segment, we had to
press pause because Bobby face timed me and he is
about to get married to Caitlin, and I think now
Caitlin heard me in the background say pre engagement therapy,
and I know that that's He was like, oh, interesting,
(37:07):
sounds interesting. But I know she's going to probably be like, wait,
does that be already engaged? Maybe we need to go
to pre marital counseling, which is often times what people do.
But yeah, I just think that there's so much that
can can come out that can be beneficial in therapy,
but also in case you have some weird thing or
your family does, or maybe whoever you're dating does they
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have a stigma like it's they don't therapy. No, I
can never do that. Gosh, You're just given so many
tools that you can use in relationships that can help you.
Maybe it's not even a romantic relationship, it could be
in friendships or again in business relationships. So I just
appreciate you talking with us today about so much. Before
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we wrap up fully, I would love for you to
share four things that you are thankful for. I am
thankful for my incredible supportive family. I would be lost
without them. I am thankful for my team again, I
would be lost without them. I'm thankful for the ability
to move my body, and I'm just thankful to be
able to be here today with you. I feel so
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honored and way out of my link to be here.
But just thank you Amy so much for being so
wonderful and letting me share some of my little life
with you. Well, thank you for being here. And where
can we find full Ride on Instagram or even you?
Do you do your account? And that one? Yes, So
I am Kinsey Todd and then full Ride. It's full
Ride Cycling And we have a studio right in twelveth
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South or right off tenth Avenue in Nashville. We've been
around for a couple of years and um, we're gonna
keep going. So I love that and appreciate you sharing
your gratitude with us the four things you're thankful for.
And I'll just close out with a quick reminder that
we are going to do our gratitude challenge coming up
in the month of March. We did it last year.
It's just every day trying to write down and be
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intentional about taking notes of four things so that you
are thankful for and you could do it at any
journal that you want, or any know notebook that you have,
or we do have our four Things Gratitude journal that
is super cute, that has inspirational quotes and stickers and
recipes even in the back, and prompts for days that
you're kind of struggling, and it's yeah, I think I
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already said it's super cute because Mary and I designed it.
But it also supports um project meta share in Haiti
and education there and the work that they're doing, So
radio amy dot com if you want to have access
to that, all right, thank you, Kinsey, and I will
be taking a full ride class soon. Yes, I told
her i'd show up on a Saturday one day, so
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I'll be there
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