December 5, 2020 • 27 mins
Victoria Myers explains how we can foster a healthy relationship with food while simultaneously restricting certain foods for (sound) medical reasons. Victoria discusses how GI issues (in general) can both cause and be caused by orthorexic tendencies, and helps us find clarity on this confusing topic. Amy admits to complying with protocols for illnesses she didn’t have, and Victoria explains how intuitive eating is meant to help you eat with self-care, not self control and how it certainly can exist within a medical nutrition protocol.
About Victoria:
Victoria Myers is the dietitian and owner of the virtual private practice and online education center Nourishing Minds Nutrition. They specialize in empowering women to ditch diets, regulate hormones, heal digestion and learn to practice wellness without obsession. She is also the host of the popular intuitive eating and wellness podcast, the Nourishing Women Podcast. Her mission for her community is to help them let go of the unhealthy obsession with eating healthy, make peace with their body and live their lives to the fullest.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Maybe that's Lisa, and we're just two girls that want
to have a conversation with you. Dear sixteen year old
Andrea hey gorsgeous, Dear younger Lauren. Each episode is stories
from people I would deprive myself. Why myself obsessively? Because
I was eating healthy? I couldn't understand that I had
a problem with food. Losing my period scared me the most.
My story starts when I was around seven. That's when
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I started to hate my body. Body image is like
our inner picture of our outer self healthy behaviors. I
had a much bigger role at all health than the
actual number on the scales. Internal dialogue can be so
powerful and often it's super negative and critical in a
way that we wouldn't talk to other people that we
care about. When you start to share your story, that
(00:44):
gives other people the courage to share theirs. I know
you would be proud now of how far you have
come in your relationship to food, exercise, and to yourself.
I felt freedom, I've gained relationships. I've found my true
sense of self worth. There's one thing I need you
to take away. You're going to be okay. Welcome back
(01:05):
to Elway today. We're joined by Victoria Myers. Will put
everything in the show notes, but she's at Victoria Myers Underscore,
and she's a registered dietitian, founder of Nourishing Minds, nutrition podcast,
host Nourishing mind Podcast, and she is such a wonderful
voice of reason in the space, really navigating difficult topics
(01:26):
when it comes to intuitive eating. So my favorite part
of your philosophy is that you're helping people let go
of unhealthy obsession with healthy eating. So we cover orthorexia
a lot here, but I think it's so helpful to
have an expert, a registered dietitian, come in and say
the rigid rules are actually giving you anxiety and stress
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and this mindset isn't healthy. So wellness without obsession simple
to the point. I love it. Hey, thank you so much,
and thanks for having me. I am so excited to
be here. And today we're gonna be talking about intuitive
eating and I be yes. So we're gonna keep it
super basic, break it down, and really help with something
very challenging, which is I have a medical condition that
(02:08):
requires me to eat a certain way and so I
can't eat intuitively. So that's probably something you hear a
lot right, Yeah, and I think it's complex. I'm sure
we're gonna get into all of that, but like sometimes
you can and sometimes you cannot. It depends on like
the root cause of it. Well, we'll get into all this,
I'm sure though. I'm excited too, So let's just go
from the top. What is IBS and how is it diagnosed? Okay,
(02:30):
So IBS is irritable bowel syndrome, And honestly, usually it's
a diagnosi by a gas or intestional doctor. That is
a diagnosis of like everything else gets rolled out. And
I always say to clients or potential clients, like that's
a good thing. We want silly actises to get rolled out,
we want crones and ulcer to clients get rolled out.
But a lot of times people get kind of slapped
(02:51):
with this diagnosis of IBS, which means you have a
certain criteria symptoms like gas pain, bloating, diarrhea, crossipatient or
alternating diarrhea and constipation, and then a lot of times
they just kind of get sent on their way or
given medication and not really told what else to do.
Another common thing that is they're often told to follow
a low FOM diet which I'm sure we'll talk about
(03:12):
that today too, which is an evident space approach to
help with IBS. But again, a lot of times people
get told to follow up for long term and they
don't get told anything else outside of that. So I
think it's just like a lot of confusion around how
to navigate and cope with IBS. I will even say,
from my clinical perspective specializing in orthodoxy and disordered eating,
so many people that have disordered eating have digestive issues.
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Those two go hand in hand. So a lot of
times people get the diagnosis of IBS, but what if
it's because they have disordered eating? And I think there's
that like huge part of the conversation that really gets
missed and maybe not even at the thought of a
g I doctor. They're just not well understanding or maybe
not well educated on that particular part of why that
person might have digestive issues. But that's basically the basic
(03:55):
way you can think of it. It's a diagnosis where
everything else gets ruled out. You get told you have IBS,
and often from there just told nothing like just manage
your symptoms basically. So I think you said something super
important just to highlight that the disordered eating can cause
digestive issues, which then gets labeled as I B S.
A lot of different things can happen to the body
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whenever you develop disordered eating. But in a really basic
way to think of it is if you're not eating
in a fuel, your body starts to shut down, and
a huge thing it shuts down because your body doesn't
see this as like necessary to survive is your digestion.
So it makes sense save from that really basic perspective
of why people develop digestive issues. And then even if
we add orthoox, say to the conversation, y'all know this
(04:39):
because you all talk about orthrooxee a ton on your show,
But what are people eating when they have orthorexia? Super
high fiber foods, they're intermittent fasting, They're going, you know,
eating all these gluten free foods which have all these
extracted fiber sources in it, so much things that can
cause symptoms. So as you can see, it's already like
super complex to say like what specifically causes the symptoms,
but it's all definitely interconnect it together. Okay, I'm gonna
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come in from the other side as someone who would
actually do certain IBS or even Crones disease. I do
not have crones, but I would. I this was years ago,
haven't thought about it in a very long time, but
I knew if someone had Crones and they were reading
this book and it was going to help their digestion
and follow this diet to a t, I wished for
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the life me. I can't think of the name of it,
but it doesn't matter. But I then went to buy
that book because it provided this protocol to have a
healthy gut. But I didn't have what she had, But
yet I wanted to follow it because I thought it
was going to get me beIN because then my body
would be functioning and I could only allow myself these
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foods that came from the earth. There wasn't process things
or the added fiber like you're talking about. But I
was trying to eat a certain way to fit a
certain disease that I did not have to think back
on it. It's so perplexing to me that that was
where my brain was. Disorder eating or the orthorexia, I
don't think just comes in a form of like following
(06:04):
a you know, South Beach or some diet. That's for
all I know that I followed people with certain stomach
issues or gastro intestinal issues, and I have tried to
follow their meal plan because it was so restrictive. You're
making me think of a client I just saw this
week that said the same thing. Amy. She was like,
you know, I am intermitted fastening, I'm going keto because
(06:25):
I follow this person that talks about cancer research at
this And then it's like, I think that's what happens
with the orthoris. You just keep in taking more and
more and more information and you keep adding more and
more diets on top of the point where you're not
eating basically anything at all, and it's like, well, why
are we actually doing it? The clients similar to you,
and it was like, I don't even know. I don't
even have any of these things. I just felt like
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I had to to have help, right. Well, I think
that the chief complaint with digestive disorders that are applicable
to all is bloating. And I feel like I could
do an entire podcast on my dislike for the way
we come at bloating, because it's not always bloating and
it doesn't always need a solution. But Amy, when you
said you know you were following people with these digestive things.
(07:06):
I'm envisioning you following somebody who's saying, here's how you
fix your bloat, and then here's the protocol. But her
bloat is because she has a didgestive disorder, and therefore
you're on a protocol just because of this one symptom
that she is displaying. Does that make sense? Yeah? No,
I mean I think we take on what we're what
we're doing is a disservice to ourselves. I mean, first
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of all, when we're eating disordered, that's that's a disservice
to ourselves. But when we take on somebody else's chronic
illness and make it our own because not I did
not think I had what she had. But for whatever reason,
I thought because she was trying to live her healthiest
lifestyle to cure herself, I'm using her as a I'm
not even talking about one person in particular, her or him.
(07:51):
Because I then started to follow every little move they
would make. I thought, somehow I'm a healthier, thinner person.
Saying it out loud, I'm like, how in the world
did I ever think that would make sense? Because I
was deprived, I was restricting things that I didn't need
to restrict because I don't have that chronic illness. I
(08:12):
think that's the thing with the orthorexy though, is most
of us have experienced I too have orthorexy, which is
why I'm so passionate about it. We want to emulate others.
I vividly remember following at Jelian influencers and mean like
I want to eat like them because I want their
lives and their thinness and they're this and they're that.
And that's why I think orthorexy has gotten so worse
over the recent years is because there is a social
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media aspect of it where you do see these people,
even if they do have a chronic health condition, they
you still see it in it's like highlight real version
of it where you're like, I want that too, and
then you develop the same roles that they have and
you have no idea if that person is personally struggling
with disordered eating or not well. So let's say someone
listening does have IBS or they do have something where
(08:55):
they have to restrict certain things for the betterment of
their health. That's a fact. Not me over in La
La and just trying to do that to myself because
I want to have all these strict rules are wanted
to excuse me past tense, But what are the IBS restrictions?
Like if someone has to be that way, how does
that complement intuitive eating? And how do people get through that?
(09:17):
That is your field, So we're focusing on that today,
But correct me if I'm wrong. We could kind of
insert like it's an equation. And if you've got another
illness causes you to medical condition that causes you to
eat a certain way, how do you also do that
without creating a disordered pattern because you do have to
have restriction for your health. Okay, I love those question
so much, and I am gonna quickly caveat and say
(09:40):
real quick sometimes with disordered eating, when you are recovering,
you're gonna have some digestive issues initially as your body recovers.
So just with that caveat being said, because I do
think a lot of times an orthodoxic mind can amsuse
that as a way to manipulate, like contuning food rules
because you're getting symptoms from eating X, Y, and Z food,
Well that might just be because you're body needs to
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normalizee eating that food. You need to gain weight, you
need to eat more consistently. You need the microbine. Even
that's what's so cool about like our digestive health. As
you eat more foods and you eat a buried, diverse site,
you developed the literal bacteria to be able to consume
those foods. So anyways, with that side note, I think
that's a huge misconception with intuitive eating is that you
can't practice it with medical condition And from my background,
(10:23):
I think it just comes from maybe a misunderstanding of
what intuitive eating is. Because intuitive eating isn't just quote
unquote eat intuitively or quote unquote listen to your body.
It's ten principles from evilentivily in at least rise, and
it's an evident space practice of how we basically eat
from a self care eating framework, they describe it as
like actions of self care, not self control. So as
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an example, someone with IBS, let's say they have id
S and they discover that a low fall up diet
which is theoretically only meant to be used for two
to six weeks maximum when I say fob up. Just
to give you guys an idea, these are basically high
fiber write foods that are very specific in causing senses
with people with IBS, this is evidence space. But again
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the diet was really only meant to be used for
two to six weeks maximum, and then from there you
can personalize it and individualize it to the foods that
you define to be your high trigger foods or the
cumulative effect of your personal fod mops. Obviously this sounds
pretty nuanced, I'm sure, and that's why it's best to
do this kind of work with a dietitian. But just
because you have to have certain foods that you're decreasing
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in your diet, Let's say for someone falling a low
fob up diet, they're decreasing hummus or avocados, cherries or chickpeas,
which would be another example. Gluten it's not one, but
wheach is a fod MOP. They just need to avoid
certain foods, but still can work on the other principles
of intuitive eating. So another example would be someone with
with diabetes can still put their carbo hydrates that they
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happen need to match their insulin needs and still practice
intuitive eating because you're still rejecting diet mentality, honoring your hunger,
and making peace with food, challenging the food, please filling
your fullness, advocating emotional eating, body respect, joyful movement into nutrition.
I think I missed one of the principles, but basically
those are the principles, Like you can still practice all
of these philosophies and believes while you still honor your health.
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That's the tenth and final principle. And it's such a
critical part of this because intuitive eating is an anti
health or anti nutrition. It's just not about weight losses
that means to obtain health or saying that thinness is
the only way to pursue health or weight, or that
you have to follow at this defined set of rules,
because again, sometimes people need it. Some people need to
account the carbohydrates, and that doesn't mean they can't do
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all those other aspects of intuitive eating. And then against
someone with IBS, let's say it's not even fop box.
Let's say maybe they do genuinely need to be gluten free. Girl,
you can still eat intuitively if you eat gluten free.
You just need to eat gluten free foods. Now, what
I usually see is people find gluten free as an
excuse to not eat any carbohydrates at all. The thing
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I always, you know, challenge back to them is like,
if you're practicing intuitive eating, you're still eating carbohydrates. You're
just eating gluten free versions of carbohydrates. I'm so proud
of you. First of all, just the way you're spewing
information so naturally from your heart and from your brain
at once. It's just a beautiful fusion and you're just
translating it. You just packed so much into just a
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few minutes of so whoever needs to go back and
even like slow that down. There was a lot of
good stuff in there. So the protocols that doctors are
oftentimes putting their patients on who have IBS, sometimes I've
seen that someone may not have a history of an
eating disorder or disordered eating, and then they develop one
(13:34):
because of the protocol. So you know, someone who has
a history of disordered eating might have a little bit
more wherewithal stepping into the space of okay, this feels
a little reminiscent of my disordered days. But do you
see that the onset of disordered eating can begin with
a protocol? Yes? Absolutely, And I will say, like digging
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a little deeper, what I feel a lot of because
we specialize in this, like this triangle of foremost suggestion
and intuitive eating. We see a lot of times people
get these extreme protocols from holistic natural path functional mess
and doctors. And I love holistic approaches, like I promise
I'm not like hating on anything. However, a lot of
times they are told a laundry list of foods not
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to consumes. More than just go go bomb up or
go gluten free. A lot of times they're told a
list of I would dare say, like twenty thirty plus
foods to not consume. And that's what starts to develop
the disordered eating because it developed anxiety and starts and
worry about these foods and never told that it's okay
to start eating those foods again, are never told that like, hey,
this should only be a temporary solution. So yes, I
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can definitely see how protocols would develop that and it
makes sense given these circumstances. And I think even if
someone doesn't want to specialize in even disorders, we just
all need to better understand how disordered eating man off
us because it can so quickly happen from just a
diet or dust a protocol. When you work with people
who need diet, arry, I'm going to say rules in
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place for their health and the long term. Is it
better to be broad or specific when telling them what
to eat or not eat? So, for example, cutting out
entire food groups versus foods. And I'm genuinely asking, like,
which could be less detrimental to their relationship to food,
whether you're specific or broad? Do you know what I mean? Yeah,
(15:24):
that's a hard question to answer. You're kind of having
me over here. Think. I think it could just depend
on the person. I think sometimes maybe broad Let's say,
just like gluten as an example, would be helpful because
there's still so many foods that they can consume. As
I was describing earlier, like you should still be able
to eat carbohydcrates, You're just gonna go for ones that
are for your gluten. This idea of avoiding specific foods,
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like I've seen things like avoiding green beans and spinach
and tomatoes and bell peppers. And usually that's coming from
the guys that food sensitivity testing, which is not something
I personally agree with. You know, I get it, And
I guess you could say a low pop pop die
is pretty specific. There's a very specific food that have
fod mops in them. And like I mentioned that is
an evident space practice, but it was never meant to
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be used for a long term, so I think it
could be used for short term solution. I just always
like to emphasize that doesn't need you have to avoid
all of those fob mops for the rest of her
life either. Though generally speaking, once someone has done the
personalization of it and they are, you know, doing this
to manage their IBBEA symptoms, usually it's just things like
garlic and onions. Maybe beans can be a pretty big
one too, that they just need to eat less of overall,
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And they don't even have to. It's not like someone
like with siliac and flute and free It's not like
they had to avoid that food forever or like completely
eliminate it. Oftentimes it's just a reduction of it, if
that makes sense. And would you say that cooking techniques
could alter how the food is digested in the body. Oh? Yeah,
I feel like cooking just always helps, right, So, Like,
for example, apples are a really big fod mop. You
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can cook the apples. I love making like baked apples
with cinnamon and maple sirrup. Yum, so delicious. Like that's
the way to make it easier to digest our onions garlet.
That'd be another great example. So let's say you have
ib us and you love guacamli, maybe you want to
make hears without garlican onions and as an example, or
if you do love garlican onions, maybe caramelizing the onions
because that can help to reduce the overall farm upload
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something like that. That's where I think the knowledge of
nutrition and cooking practices can be really helpful. And working
with a dietitian so that you know, when you get
the long list of foods that you can't eat, you
then go to somebody who could be covered by your insurance,
by the way, and they help you sort through the
weeds of what you can and can actually eat. And
then even within the parameters of what you know doesn't
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work for you, is there also a way that this
food doesn't need to be out of your life forever?
And that's obviously going to depend on the person. But
I think it's something that we kind of forget and
may not even have knowledge of actually is a better word? Yeah, yeah,
And I mean my personal philosophy is this. I always
try to liberalize the diet as much as possible. We
believe in the all foods fit mentality, but again understanding
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that sometimes medal folk conditions require otherwise. But I'm not
about telling someone like, Okay, well you have these metal
folk conditions, but let's also make dairy in gluten because
they're inflammatory and you shouldn't eat them. I think that's
just a completely different conversation. This whole idea of like
things being inflammatory is not the same as saying, like,
follow temporarily a loophom off diet for your ibs. So
let's say a client does come to you and well,
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you are working with them and they want to figure
out how food makes them feel. Sometimes it's hard to recognize, okay,
is this a period cramp? And my ovulating? Like why
went through fertility stuff? So I became very in tune
with ovulation cramps. I always thought because that's not my period.
I always thought the discomfort I was feeling in my
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stomach was a food related issue. But once I became
in tune with what my body was doing on my
minstrel cycle level, I realize, oh my goodness, I'm not
uncomfortable right now because of something I'm eight. I'm uncomfortable
because I'm ovulating right now, and I get really bad
cramps during that time, and I could start to see
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all the signs happening. So I say all that just
to say that once we become aware of how our
body is functioning and what's causing it, but I feel
like even still without that knowledge, there's times where I
don't know why I feel puffy, or I don't know
why my stomach is uncomfortable, or is it journaling? How
do you recommend to people to keep track of how
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it's making them feel and then make decisions based on that. Yeah,
I love this question. I do have to say. I
think what's so interesting to me is that we always
go for food as like the reason we're experiencing something.
I always want to clients, like I'm having a ton
of symptoms this week. My first question to them is
not what is your stress and anxiety levels like this week,
because that is so underestimated for the way it gives
us so many symptoms. It can cause that your ability,
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the fatigue, the lack of concentration, that puffiness, the bloating,
you can cause all of that. So my personal philosophy
is always focusing on that first and foremost because it
is vastly underestimated for how much like literal symptoms that
can cause in your physical body to experience stress and anxiety.
And then from there like, yeah, it's something going on
your period? Are you on your period? Are you adolaying
this week? Do you potentially have pianass symptoms? And then
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you know, food for me kind of falls out that
like the very bottom, and yes, again it can be
those things, it could be a particular food. I think
over time is an intuitive eater. You can start to
discover what feels best in your physical body. And I
like to be absolute with that. So like, as example,
sometimes I eat a cheeseburger and I know it's not
gonna make me feel but I enjoy the experience and
I eat it and move on with my life. But
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there is this idea you can definitely eat foods that
makes you thrive and feel your best. But I do
have to say, I think it's not always the food
that's making us half symptoms. Does that make sense? Like
I think we need to like not always good for
food is like the first thing we ask for me.
I'm so glad you said that, and we covered that
in our you know, the first part of that way,
and one of the first four episodes kind of that
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the stress and anxiety even that we give ourselves over
food could be causing all the other symptoms or yeah,
have we been sleeping or what else is going on?
So thank you for bringing that up and knowing that, yeah,
there's so many under ying factors. But yeah, you're right,
we always make food. The corporate water plays a role.
Are we exercising too much and causing certain stresses in
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our body? And do we need to take a break
and relax. We've talked about so you know, all those
factors are things that we quote unquote do the exercise,
the food, the sleep. I mean, obviously sleep disturbances could
be without our cause. But the important part here is
that there are factors not within your control that cause
puffiness blow. You know, you talked about your menstruation, even
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if you're not you know, female or ovulating or whatever
it is. The body is a chemistry project on its own,
and I think I believe that this is so ingrained
into us that like we control our physical state because
that calories in verse, calories out mentality was just like
drilled into us for so long, Like it's simple just
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do this, do this, burn more, eat less, you know,
and all your problems are solved. That we think we're
in so control of our bodies that we feel like
failures when we're not. And for me, that's where my
mind goes when I think, how did we get here?
Because listen, I I believe that food can be medicine.
I believe that food is fuel. But it's not just
about the food, right. I couldn't agree with you more.
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I I think we can use food like as you said,
we can use food is mess, and we can use
food is fuel. But this idea that food is the
end all beyond or the cause of literal every issue
or condition we experience, it's just so unfair to me.
And you know, similar to like this calories thing, calors out.
I think what we've also recently have had happened in
this health of wildness world is like you have a symptom,
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is this food's fault? You have this symptom? Is this
foods fault? I think that's where we are even more
so with food. And I think it still comes down
to like thinness and desire to lose weight, and like
it almost always comes down like that's how people perceived health.
But I also think it's very much this idea of
like you have bloating a linate gluten, you have acne,
don't eat dairy, you have something going on with this
health condition, don't eat sugar. Sugar is the worst. It's
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just interesting to me, and I understand I have like
this non diet being perspective. I'm always just like, huh,
that's so interesting. That's the first thing we go to.
First thing. So true, and oftentimes it adds more stress,
which then exacerbates the original problem that you were trying
to solve. So that's kind of the framework where it's like, Okay,
we need to step away from this vicious cycle that
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we keep throwing ourselves back into it, and we can.
I think that that's the important thing. We can step back,
and there is a way to have a healthy relationship
to food with a dietary protocol and live way more
happily and free. Right absolutely, if someone listening right now,
I just want to speak to someone that's like, oh, well, shoot,
I do have things going on. Working with someone like
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Victoria that knows how to navigate you through something like
this will be helpful Because I am speaking from a
place where I don't have symptoms. You may have, Lisa
may not. We don't have that. But if you're left
after listening to this episod out and feeling like loss
of what you're supposed to do, if you have the
means to speak with an expert and work with them
(24:06):
just to help you get started and really evaluate what
do you have going on, do you think you really
need to help. I feel like one of the worst
things I ever did to myself was doing one of
those blood tests where it told me what I can
and cannot eat. And I was advised to do that
by not a certified nutritionist but someone that I was
working with for a dietary plan. So I did that,
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and to this day, I have to remind myself Amy,
it's okay you can have an avocado, or it's okay
you can have an almond, or it's okay you can
eat blueberries, because that test told me that I could
not that those were my severe foods and I could
not have them. But I mean, I tricked myself into
thinking I needed that test done because I I wanted
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to be thinner. So I would just encourage you if
you're wanting to seek out help and do any sort
of elimination thing to figure out what's going on, or
you're wanting to get this blood test that will tell
you what foods you're sensitive to. You ask yourself why
you're doing it, because at the end of the day,
I was doing it because I wanted to be smaller
and it wrecked me. And even if that's not your goal,
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and it really is health and I think Victoria and
I would kind of say the same thing here. I
feel like this could be a whole other episode on
its own. But first of all, those tests are just
profit centers, Like that's for me, that's absolutely okay, that's
that's number one. But number two is the fact that
they've incredibly high rates of false positive. So you're being
told not to eat avocados or almonds amy, but that's
not necessarily true, so your sensitivity could be wrong. And
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then you've just eliminated all these foods. Even if it's
not for thinness, it's because you just want to feel
better in your body. You want to know what's going
on inside that you can't figure out, and that is
why elimination diet with an expert or registered dietitian hopefully
somebody that you know is conscious of disordered eating can
be a better fit to help you figure that out.
Although not necessarily more expensive, but definitely more time consuming,
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to kind of weed out food by food is really
the way to go, and that's why it remains, you know,
the gold standard of figuring out what to do. Yeah,
I appreciate you mentioning that. Lisa and Amy, thank you
so much for sharing your story. The truth is that
they're just not evident space. And again, I love hollicic practices.
I'm quite a wellness junkie myself. But the truth is
is if we don't have evidence space practice, we cannot
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say that these things for sure. How can Amy. I've
heard countless stories like yours where they had this test,
they were told not to eat X, Y, and Z
food like you mentioned avocado and almonds, and then what
happens is they developed fear around the specific foods for
the rest of their life. And I'm gonna imagine that's
not how the tests were originally meant to be used,
but it seems to be how they're using now. And
we all have I d D in our blood like
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that tells us that we're used to have food, So
I think I personally just have a lot of you know,
obviously I have a different perspective on this test. It
sounds like Lisa, you do too, um, but they're just
not the end lb all to anything and definitely would
work with the expert. But I have so much compassion
if you have symptoms and if you're even trying to
navigate into it a eating. I had digestive issues first
solid decade of my life, and I get how concerning
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they can be in perplexing and it makes you feel
as if, like I know, for me, my quality of
life was so impact that there were times when I
couldn't leave the house. And that's why I love doing
IVS work with into an eating because I remember what
it was like. It was terrible. But I do have
to say I think a lot of the answers that
are out there right now, I am concerned that they're
just developing orthodoxy even more for most people. Awesome, Well, Victoria,
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we appreciate you coming on to talk about this with us,
And again, if people want to find you on Instagram,
you're at Victoria Myers Underscore and the Myers is M
Y E R S. And I'm pretty sure, Victoria is
going to be on an upcoming episode that you'll get
to hear where we're gonna be talking about how to
get your period back. It's that's something that you have lost.
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So we'll be seeing you again soon. Victoria, thank you
for having me
Maybe that's Lisa, and we're just two girls that want
to have a conversation with you. Dear sixteen year old
Andrea hey gorsgeous, Dear younger Lauren. Each episode is stories
from people I would deprive myself. Why myself obsessively? Because
I was eating healthy? I couldn't understand that I had
a problem with food. Losing my period scared me the most.
My story starts when I was around seven. That's when
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I started to hate my body. Body image is like
our inner picture of our outer self healthy behaviors. I
had a much bigger role at all health than the
actual number on the scales. Internal dialogue can be so
powerful and often it's super negative and critical in a
way that we wouldn't talk to other people that we
care about. When you start to share your story, that
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gives other people the courage to share theirs. I know
you would be proud now of how far you have
come in your relationship to food, exercise, and to yourself.
I felt freedom, I've gained relationships. I've found my true
sense of self worth. There's one thing I need you
to take away. You're going to be okay. Welcome back
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to Elway today. We're joined by Victoria Myers. Will put
everything in the show notes, but she's at Victoria Myers Underscore,
and she's a registered dietitian, founder of Nourishing Minds, nutrition podcast,
host Nourishing mind Podcast, and she is such a wonderful
voice of reason in the space, really navigating difficult topics
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when it comes to intuitive eating. So my favorite part
of your philosophy is that you're helping people let go
of unhealthy obsession with healthy eating. So we cover orthorexia
a lot here, but I think it's so helpful to
have an expert, a registered dietitian, come in and say
the rigid rules are actually giving you anxiety and stress
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and this mindset isn't healthy. So wellness without obsession simple
to the point. I love it. Hey, thank you so much,
and thanks for having me. I am so excited to
be here. And today we're gonna be talking about intuitive
eating and I be yes. So we're gonna keep it
super basic, break it down, and really help with something
very challenging, which is I have a medical condition that
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requires me to eat a certain way and so I
can't eat intuitively. So that's probably something you hear a
lot right, Yeah, and I think it's complex. I'm sure
we're gonna get into all of that, but like sometimes
you can and sometimes you cannot. It depends on like
the root cause of it. Well, we'll get into all this,
I'm sure though. I'm excited too, So let's just go
from the top. What is IBS and how is it diagnosed? Okay,
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So IBS is irritable bowel syndrome, And honestly, usually it's
a diagnosi by a gas or intestional doctor. That is
a diagnosis of like everything else gets rolled out. And
I always say to clients or potential clients, like that's
a good thing. We want silly actises to get rolled out,
we want crones and ulcer to clients get rolled out.
But a lot of times people get kind of slapped
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with this diagnosis of IBS, which means you have a
certain criteria symptoms like gas pain, bloating, diarrhea, crossipatient or
alternating diarrhea and constipation, and then a lot of times
they just kind of get sent on their way or
given medication and not really told what else to do.
Another common thing that is they're often told to follow
a low FOM diet which I'm sure we'll talk about
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that today too, which is an evident space approach to
help with IBS. But again, a lot of times people
get told to follow up for long term and they
don't get told anything else outside of that. So I
think it's just like a lot of confusion around how
to navigate and cope with IBS. I will even say,
from my clinical perspective specializing in orthodoxy and disordered eating,
so many people that have disordered eating have digestive issues.
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Those two go hand in hand. So a lot of
times people get the diagnosis of IBS, but what if
it's because they have disordered eating? And I think there's
that like huge part of the conversation that really gets
missed and maybe not even at the thought of a
g I doctor. They're just not well understanding or maybe
not well educated on that particular part of why that
person might have digestive issues. But that's basically the basic
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way you can think of it. It's a diagnosis where
everything else gets ruled out. You get told you have IBS,
and often from there just told nothing like just manage
your symptoms basically. So I think you said something super
important just to highlight that the disordered eating can cause
digestive issues, which then gets labeled as I B S.
A lot of different things can happen to the body
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whenever you develop disordered eating. But in a really basic
way to think of it is if you're not eating
in a fuel, your body starts to shut down, and
a huge thing it shuts down because your body doesn't
see this as like necessary to survive is your digestion.
So it makes sense save from that really basic perspective
of why people develop digestive issues. And then even if
we add orthoox, say to the conversation, y'all know this
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because you all talk about orthrooxee a ton on your show,
But what are people eating when they have orthorexia? Super
high fiber foods, they're intermittent fasting, They're going, you know,
eating all these gluten free foods which have all these
extracted fiber sources in it, so much things that can
cause symptoms. So as you can see, it's already like
super complex to say like what specifically causes the symptoms,
but it's all definitely interconnect it together. Okay, I'm gonna
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come in from the other side as someone who would
actually do certain IBS or even Crones disease. I do
not have crones, but I would. I this was years ago,
haven't thought about it in a very long time, but
I knew if someone had Crones and they were reading
this book and it was going to help their digestion
and follow this diet to a t, I wished for
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the life me. I can't think of the name of it,
but it doesn't matter. But I then went to buy
that book because it provided this protocol to have a
healthy gut. But I didn't have what she had, But
yet I wanted to follow it because I thought it
was going to get me beIN because then my body
would be functioning and I could only allow myself these
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foods that came from the earth. There wasn't process things
or the added fiber like you're talking about. But I
was trying to eat a certain way to fit a
certain disease that I did not have to think back
on it. It's so perplexing to me that that was
where my brain was. Disorder eating or the orthorexia, I
don't think just comes in a form of like following
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a you know, South Beach or some diet. That's for
all I know that I followed people with certain stomach
issues or gastro intestinal issues, and I have tried to
follow their meal plan because it was so restrictive. You're
making me think of a client I just saw this
week that said the same thing. Amy. She was like,
you know, I am intermitted fastening, I'm going keto because
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I follow this person that talks about cancer research at
this And then it's like, I think that's what happens
with the orthoris. You just keep in taking more and
more and more information and you keep adding more and
more diets on top of the point where you're not
eating basically anything at all, and it's like, well, why
are we actually doing it? The clients similar to you,
and it was like, I don't even know. I don't
even have any of these things. I just felt like
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I had to to have help, right. Well, I think
that the chief complaint with digestive disorders that are applicable
to all is bloating. And I feel like I could
do an entire podcast on my dislike for the way
we come at bloating, because it's not always bloating and
it doesn't always need a solution. But Amy, when you
said you know you were following people with these digestive things.
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I'm envisioning you following somebody who's saying, here's how you
fix your bloat, and then here's the protocol. But her
bloat is because she has a didgestive disorder, and therefore
you're on a protocol just because of this one symptom
that she is displaying. Does that make sense? Yeah? No,
I mean I think we take on what we're what
we're doing is a disservice to ourselves. I mean, first
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of all, when we're eating disordered, that's that's a disservice
to ourselves. But when we take on somebody else's chronic
illness and make it our own because not I did
not think I had what she had. But for whatever reason,
I thought because she was trying to live her healthiest
lifestyle to cure herself, I'm using her as a I'm
not even talking about one person in particular, her or him.
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Because I then started to follow every little move they
would make. I thought, somehow I'm a healthier, thinner person.
Saying it out loud, I'm like, how in the world
did I ever think that would make sense? Because I
was deprived, I was restricting things that I didn't need
to restrict because I don't have that chronic illness. I
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think that's the thing with the orthorexy though, is most
of us have experienced I too have orthorexy, which is
why I'm so passionate about it. We want to emulate others.
I vividly remember following at Jelian influencers and mean like
I want to eat like them because I want their
lives and their thinness and they're this and they're that.
And that's why I think orthorexy has gotten so worse
over the recent years is because there is a social
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media aspect of it where you do see these people,
even if they do have a chronic health condition, they
you still see it in it's like highlight real version
of it where you're like, I want that too, and
then you develop the same roles that they have and
you have no idea if that person is personally struggling
with disordered eating or not well. So let's say someone
listening does have IBS or they do have something where
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they have to restrict certain things for the betterment of
their health. That's a fact. Not me over in La
La and just trying to do that to myself because
I want to have all these strict rules are wanted
to excuse me past tense, But what are the IBS restrictions?
Like if someone has to be that way, how does
that complement intuitive eating? And how do people get through that?
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That is your field, So we're focusing on that today,
But correct me if I'm wrong. We could kind of
insert like it's an equation. And if you've got another
illness causes you to medical condition that causes you to
eat a certain way, how do you also do that
without creating a disordered pattern because you do have to
have restriction for your health. Okay, I love those question
so much, and I am gonna quickly caveat and say
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real quick sometimes with disordered eating, when you are recovering,
you're gonna have some digestive issues initially as your body recovers.
So just with that caveat being said, because I do
think a lot of times an orthodoxic mind can amsuse
that as a way to manipulate, like contuning food rules
because you're getting symptoms from eating X, Y, and Z food,
Well that might just be because you're body needs to
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normalizee eating that food. You need to gain weight, you
need to eat more consistently. You need the microbine. Even
that's what's so cool about like our digestive health. As
you eat more foods and you eat a buried, diverse site,
you developed the literal bacteria to be able to consume
those foods. So anyways, with that side note, I think
that's a huge misconception with intuitive eating is that you
can't practice it with medical condition And from my background,
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I think it just comes from maybe a misunderstanding of
what intuitive eating is. Because intuitive eating isn't just quote
unquote eat intuitively or quote unquote listen to your body.
It's ten principles from evilentivily in at least rise, and
it's an evident space practice of how we basically eat
from a self care eating framework, they describe it as
like actions of self care, not self control. So as
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an example, someone with IBS, let's say they have id
S and they discover that a low fall up diet
which is theoretically only meant to be used for two
to six weeks maximum when I say fob up. Just
to give you guys an idea, these are basically high
fiber write foods that are very specific in causing senses
with people with IBS, this is evidence space. But again
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the diet was really only meant to be used for
two to six weeks maximum, and then from there you
can personalize it and individualize it to the foods that
you define to be your high trigger foods or the
cumulative effect of your personal fod mops. Obviously this sounds
pretty nuanced, I'm sure, and that's why it's best to
do this kind of work with a dietitian. But just
because you have to have certain foods that you're decreasing
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in your diet, Let's say for someone falling a low
fob up diet, they're decreasing hummus or avocados, cherries or chickpeas,
which would be another example. Gluten it's not one, but
wheach is a fod MOP. They just need to avoid
certain foods, but still can work on the other principles
of intuitive eating. So another example would be someone with
with diabetes can still put their carbo hydrates that they
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happen need to match their insulin needs and still practice
intuitive eating because you're still rejecting diet mentality, honoring your hunger,
and making peace with food, challenging the food, please filling
your fullness, advocating emotional eating, body respect, joyful movement into nutrition.
I think I missed one of the principles, but basically
those are the principles, Like you can still practice all
of these philosophies and believes while you still honor your health.
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That's the tenth and final principle. And it's such a
critical part of this because intuitive eating is an anti
health or anti nutrition. It's just not about weight losses
that means to obtain health or saying that thinness is
the only way to pursue health or weight, or that
you have to follow at this defined set of rules,
because again, sometimes people need it. Some people need to
account the carbohydrates, and that doesn't mean they can't do
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all those other aspects of intuitive eating. And then against
someone with IBS, let's say it's not even fop box.
Let's say maybe they do genuinely need to be gluten free. Girl,
you can still eat intuitively if you eat gluten free.
You just need to eat gluten free foods. Now, what
I usually see is people find gluten free as an
excuse to not eat any carbohydrates at all. The thing
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I always, you know, challenge back to them is like,
if you're practicing intuitive eating, you're still eating carbohydrates. You're
just eating gluten free versions of carbohydrates. I'm so proud
of you. First of all, just the way you're spewing
information so naturally from your heart and from your brain
at once. It's just a beautiful fusion and you're just
translating it. You just packed so much into just a
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few minutes of so whoever needs to go back and
even like slow that down. There was a lot of
good stuff in there. So the protocols that doctors are
oftentimes putting their patients on who have IBS, sometimes I've
seen that someone may not have a history of an
eating disorder or disordered eating, and then they develop one
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because of the protocol. So you know, someone who has
a history of disordered eating might have a little bit
more wherewithal stepping into the space of okay, this feels
a little reminiscent of my disordered days. But do you
see that the onset of disordered eating can begin with
a protocol? Yes? Absolutely, And I will say, like digging
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a little deeper, what I feel a lot of because
we specialize in this, like this triangle of foremost suggestion
and intuitive eating. We see a lot of times people
get these extreme protocols from holistic natural path functional mess
and doctors. And I love holistic approaches, like I promise
I'm not like hating on anything. However, a lot of
times they are told a laundry list of foods not
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to consumes. More than just go go bomb up or
go gluten free. A lot of times they're told a
list of I would dare say, like twenty thirty plus
foods to not consume. And that's what starts to develop
the disordered eating because it developed anxiety and starts and
worry about these foods and never told that it's okay
to start eating those foods again, are never told that like, hey,
this should only be a temporary solution. So yes, I
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can definitely see how protocols would develop that and it
makes sense given these circumstances. And I think even if
someone doesn't want to specialize in even disorders, we just
all need to better understand how disordered eating man off
us because it can so quickly happen from just a
diet or dust a protocol. When you work with people
who need diet, arry, I'm going to say rules in
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place for their health and the long term. Is it
better to be broad or specific when telling them what
to eat or not eat? So, for example, cutting out
entire food groups versus foods. And I'm genuinely asking, like,
which could be less detrimental to their relationship to food,
whether you're specific or broad? Do you know what I mean? Yeah,
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that's a hard question to answer. You're kind of having
me over here. Think. I think it could just depend
on the person. I think sometimes maybe broad Let's say,
just like gluten as an example, would be helpful because
there's still so many foods that they can consume. As
I was describing earlier, like you should still be able
to eat carbohydcrates, You're just gonna go for ones that
are for your gluten. This idea of avoiding specific foods,
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like I've seen things like avoiding green beans and spinach
and tomatoes and bell peppers. And usually that's coming from
the guys that food sensitivity testing, which is not something
I personally agree with. You know, I get it, And
I guess you could say a low pop pop die
is pretty specific. There's a very specific food that have
fod mops in them. And like I mentioned that is
an evident space practice, but it was never meant to
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be used for a long term, so I think it
could be used for short term solution. I just always
like to emphasize that doesn't need you have to avoid
all of those fob mops for the rest of her
life either. Though generally speaking, once someone has done the
personalization of it and they are, you know, doing this
to manage their IBBEA symptoms, usually it's just things like
garlic and onions. Maybe beans can be a pretty big
one too, that they just need to eat less of overall,
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And they don't even have to. It's not like someone
like with siliac and flute and free It's not like
they had to avoid that food forever or like completely
eliminate it. Oftentimes it's just a reduction of it, if
that makes sense. And would you say that cooking techniques
could alter how the food is digested in the body. Oh? Yeah,
I feel like cooking just always helps, right, So, Like,
for example, apples are a really big fod mop. You
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can cook the apples. I love making like baked apples
with cinnamon and maple sirrup. Yum, so delicious. Like that's
the way to make it easier to digest our onions garlet.
That'd be another great example. So let's say you have
ib us and you love guacamli, maybe you want to
make hears without garlican onions and as an example, or
if you do love garlican onions, maybe caramelizing the onions
because that can help to reduce the overall farm upload
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something like that. That's where I think the knowledge of
nutrition and cooking practices can be really helpful. And working
with a dietitian so that you know, when you get
the long list of foods that you can't eat, you
then go to somebody who could be covered by your insurance,
by the way, and they help you sort through the
weeds of what you can and can actually eat. And
then even within the parameters of what you know doesn't
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work for you, is there also a way that this
food doesn't need to be out of your life forever?
And that's obviously going to depend on the person. But
I think it's something that we kind of forget and
may not even have knowledge of actually is a better word? Yeah, yeah,
And I mean my personal philosophy is this. I always
try to liberalize the diet as much as possible. We
believe in the all foods fit mentality, but again understanding
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that sometimes medal folk conditions require otherwise. But I'm not
about telling someone like, Okay, well you have these metal
folk conditions, but let's also make dairy in gluten because
they're inflammatory and you shouldn't eat them. I think that's
just a completely different conversation. This whole idea of like
things being inflammatory is not the same as saying, like,
follow temporarily a loophom off diet for your ibs. So
let's say a client does come to you and well,
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you are working with them and they want to figure
out how food makes them feel. Sometimes it's hard to recognize, okay,
is this a period cramp? And my ovulating? Like why
went through fertility stuff? So I became very in tune
with ovulation cramps. I always thought because that's not my period.
I always thought the discomfort I was feeling in my
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stomach was a food related issue. But once I became
in tune with what my body was doing on my
minstrel cycle level, I realize, oh my goodness, I'm not
uncomfortable right now because of something I'm eight. I'm uncomfortable
because I'm ovulating right now, and I get really bad
cramps during that time, and I could start to see
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all the signs happening. So I say all that just
to say that once we become aware of how our
body is functioning and what's causing it, but I feel
like even still without that knowledge, there's times where I
don't know why I feel puffy, or I don't know
why my stomach is uncomfortable, or is it journaling? How
do you recommend to people to keep track of how
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it's making them feel and then make decisions based on that. Yeah,
I love this question. I do have to say. I
think what's so interesting to me is that we always
go for food as like the reason we're experiencing something.
I always want to clients, like I'm having a ton
of symptoms this week. My first question to them is
not what is your stress and anxiety levels like this week,
because that is so underestimated for the way it gives
us so many symptoms. It can cause that your ability,
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the fatigue, the lack of concentration, that puffiness, the bloating,
you can cause all of that. So my personal philosophy
is always focusing on that first and foremost because it
is vastly underestimated for how much like literal symptoms that
can cause in your physical body to experience stress and anxiety.
And then from there like, yeah, it's something going on
your period? Are you on your period? Are you adolaying
this week? Do you potentially have pianass symptoms? And then
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you know, food for me kind of falls out that
like the very bottom, and yes, again it can be
those things, it could be a particular food. I think
over time is an intuitive eater. You can start to
discover what feels best in your physical body. And I
like to be absolute with that. So like, as example,
sometimes I eat a cheeseburger and I know it's not
gonna make me feel but I enjoy the experience and
I eat it and move on with my life. But
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there is this idea you can definitely eat foods that
makes you thrive and feel your best. But I do
have to say, I think it's not always the food
that's making us half symptoms. Does that make sense? Like
I think we need to like not always good for
food is like the first thing we ask for me.
I'm so glad you said that, and we covered that
in our you know, the first part of that way,
and one of the first four episodes kind of that
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the stress and anxiety even that we give ourselves over
food could be causing all the other symptoms or yeah,
have we been sleeping or what else is going on?
So thank you for bringing that up and knowing that, yeah,
there's so many under ying factors. But yeah, you're right,
we always make food. The corporate water plays a role.
Are we exercising too much and causing certain stresses in
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our body? And do we need to take a break
and relax. We've talked about so you know, all those
factors are things that we quote unquote do the exercise,
the food, the sleep. I mean, obviously sleep disturbances could
be without our cause. But the important part here is
that there are factors not within your control that cause
puffiness blow. You know, you talked about your menstruation, even
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if you're not you know, female or ovulating or whatever
it is. The body is a chemistry project on its own,
and I think I believe that this is so ingrained
into us that like we control our physical state because
that calories in verse, calories out mentality was just like
drilled into us for so long, Like it's simple just
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do this, do this, burn more, eat less, you know,
and all your problems are solved. That we think we're
in so control of our bodies that we feel like
failures when we're not. And for me, that's where my
mind goes when I think, how did we get here?
Because listen, I I believe that food can be medicine.
I believe that food is fuel. But it's not just
about the food, right. I couldn't agree with you more.
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I I think we can use food like as you said,
we can use food is mess, and we can use
food is fuel. But this idea that food is the
end all beyond or the cause of literal every issue
or condition we experience, it's just so unfair to me.
And you know, similar to like this calories thing, calors out.
I think what we've also recently have had happened in
this health of wildness world is like you have a symptom,
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is this food's fault? You have this symptom? Is this
foods fault? I think that's where we are even more
so with food. And I think it still comes down
to like thinness and desire to lose weight, and like
it almost always comes down like that's how people perceived health.
But I also think it's very much this idea of
like you have bloating a linate gluten, you have acne,
don't eat dairy, you have something going on with this
health condition, don't eat sugar. Sugar is the worst. It's
(22:58):
just interesting to me, and I understand I have like
this non diet being perspective. I'm always just like, huh,
that's so interesting. That's the first thing we go to.
First thing. So true, and oftentimes it adds more stress,
which then exacerbates the original problem that you were trying
to solve. So that's kind of the framework where it's like, Okay,
we need to step away from this vicious cycle that
(23:20):
we keep throwing ourselves back into it, and we can.
I think that that's the important thing. We can step back,
and there is a way to have a healthy relationship
to food with a dietary protocol and live way more
happily and free. Right absolutely, if someone listening right now,
I just want to speak to someone that's like, oh, well, shoot,
I do have things going on. Working with someone like
(23:44):
Victoria that knows how to navigate you through something like
this will be helpful Because I am speaking from a
place where I don't have symptoms. You may have, Lisa
may not. We don't have that. But if you're left
after listening to this episod out and feeling like loss
of what you're supposed to do, if you have the
means to speak with an expert and work with them
(24:06):
just to help you get started and really evaluate what
do you have going on, do you think you really
need to help. I feel like one of the worst
things I ever did to myself was doing one of
those blood tests where it told me what I can
and cannot eat. And I was advised to do that
by not a certified nutritionist but someone that I was
working with for a dietary plan. So I did that,
(24:27):
and to this day, I have to remind myself Amy,
it's okay you can have an avocado, or it's okay
you can have an almond, or it's okay you can
eat blueberries, because that test told me that I could
not that those were my severe foods and I could
not have them. But I mean, I tricked myself into
thinking I needed that test done because I I wanted
(24:47):
to be thinner. So I would just encourage you if
you're wanting to seek out help and do any sort
of elimination thing to figure out what's going on, or
you're wanting to get this blood test that will tell
you what foods you're sensitive to. You ask yourself why
you're doing it, because at the end of the day,
I was doing it because I wanted to be smaller
and it wrecked me. And even if that's not your goal,
(25:07):
and it really is health and I think Victoria and
I would kind of say the same thing here. I
feel like this could be a whole other episode on
its own. But first of all, those tests are just
profit centers, Like that's for me, that's absolutely okay, that's
that's number one. But number two is the fact that
they've incredibly high rates of false positive. So you're being
told not to eat avocados or almonds amy, but that's
not necessarily true, so your sensitivity could be wrong. And
(25:30):
then you've just eliminated all these foods. Even if it's
not for thinness, it's because you just want to feel
better in your body. You want to know what's going
on inside that you can't figure out, and that is
why elimination diet with an expert or registered dietitian hopefully
somebody that you know is conscious of disordered eating can
be a better fit to help you figure that out.
Although not necessarily more expensive, but definitely more time consuming,
(25:54):
to kind of weed out food by food is really
the way to go, and that's why it remains, you know,
the gold standard of figuring out what to do. Yeah,
I appreciate you mentioning that. Lisa and Amy, thank you
so much for sharing your story. The truth is that
they're just not evident space. And again, I love hollicic practices.
I'm quite a wellness junkie myself. But the truth is
is if we don't have evidence space practice, we cannot
(26:15):
say that these things for sure. How can Amy. I've
heard countless stories like yours where they had this test,
they were told not to eat X, Y, and Z
food like you mentioned avocado and almonds, and then what
happens is they developed fear around the specific foods for
the rest of their life. And I'm gonna imagine that's
not how the tests were originally meant to be used,
but it seems to be how they're using now. And
we all have I d D in our blood like
(26:37):
that tells us that we're used to have food, So
I think I personally just have a lot of you know,
obviously I have a different perspective on this test. It
sounds like Lisa, you do too, um, but they're just
not the end lb all to anything and definitely would
work with the expert. But I have so much compassion
if you have symptoms and if you're even trying to
navigate into it a eating. I had digestive issues first
solid decade of my life, and I get how concerning
(26:58):
they can be in perplexing and it makes you feel
as if, like I know, for me, my quality of
life was so impact that there were times when I
couldn't leave the house. And that's why I love doing
IVS work with into an eating because I remember what
it was like. It was terrible. But I do have
to say I think a lot of the answers that
are out there right now, I am concerned that they're
just developing orthodoxy even more for most people. Awesome, Well, Victoria,
(27:20):
we appreciate you coming on to talk about this with us,
And again, if people want to find you on Instagram,
you're at Victoria Myers Underscore and the Myers is M
Y E R S. And I'm pretty sure, Victoria is
going to be on an upcoming episode that you'll get
to hear where we're gonna be talking about how to
get your period back. It's that's something that you have lost.
(27:41):
So we'll be seeing you again soon. Victoria, thank you
for having me
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