March 20, 2022 • 46 mins
Bonus Episode!! As part of a new listener led series, Amy sat down with podcast listener, Jackie Borrego, and answered a list of questions she came up with! Jackie is a school psychology graduate student, so she brought so much insight & wisdom to the conversation, and we are thankful for all that she had to say alongside her questions for Amy! Hope you enjoy this little Q&A whether you listen to it on a ‘Sunday Stroll’ {shout out ‘The Walk Thing’ — iykyk!!} or not! :)
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
All right, Happy Sunday, and welcome to the second ever
You and A episode. This time it is with listener
Jackie Barrego from Texas. Hey Jackie, Hi, Hi, Amy, So
tell me where you're from in Texas, because I'm from Austin, Okay.
So I've actually kind of been all over Texas. Me
and my husband like to call it the tour to
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thirty five. So we've kind of been in Santonio, Austin,
but now we find ourselves in Fort Worth. I'm here
for an internship, so it's been really nice to be
here an internship for what for? My specialist degree in
school psychology, So I'm finishing up my master's. Yeah, I
graduated in May. Sounds so excited. Oh, I can see
the smile on your face, like that is such a
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big accomplishment. I think what I'm gonna do is read
the email that you sent me and then we'll let
you get into the questions that you've curated for the episode. Okay,
sounds good. Hey, Amy, long time listener, second time emailer.
Last week, when I heard about you potentially opening up
the opportunity to share conversation with you on the walk thing,
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which I'm inserting myself here to the email. We're now
just calling the listener Q and A, but some are
calling it the Sunday Stroll. Okay, back to the email.
I got so excited. You have no idea the last
time you let a listener interview you, I was floored
with how kind and generous you were with your time.
For years, I've had such a complicated relationship with food, exercise,
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and my body. Walking was and continues to be the
only thing that never feels like a requirement. This gentle
moment of movement that used to feel not enough is
now something I deeply look forward to. I even put
walking as one of my favorite things on my personalized
four Things pouch the attached picture which thank you for
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sending a picture. I love that, Jackie. Back to your words.
Everyone that knows me knows how much I love a good, long, juicy,
hot girl walk. I go there to spend time with friends, think, reflect,
tune in, listen to music or podcasts. It's a moment
for sure. Anyway, enough rambling, I would love the opportunity
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for you to consider me to share space together and
walk alongside you and your listeners for a day. P S.
I won't lie. I was discouraged when I heard you
say on today's episode that so many people submitted jries
for this. I almost didn't send this, but like my
grandfather used to say, why not last thing? I swear,
I just wanted to say I'm thankful you have such
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a community that surrounds you and loves you. It seems
like the past two years have been challenging. To say
the least, I can't do much, but I can send
all the love and light your way. I really hope
to hear from you soon. Your friend Jackie Barrego from Texas.
So thank you Jackie for that amazing email and for
being a part of the listener Q and a a
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k A walk thing a k A Sunday Stroll. So
I'm gonna give the mic to you and You're going
to take over be because this is now the Jackie Show. Well,
thank you for reading that. I wasn't anticipating you reading it,
and I remember when I was writing it. It was
very quick and off the cuff, and I had heard
you and Cat talk about it, and I wanted to
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send it, and I forgot because life is busy, and
so when I heard you guys talk about it again.
I wanted to make sure I sent something, so I
did it really quick. So I hope it's encouragement for
people to just do it again, even if they're not
sure how it's going to go. But questioned, I have
so many, but I'm going to kind of try to
keep it to four since we do four things around here.
So first and foremost, how are you doing? Wow? How
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are you doing? Is such a that's such a question
where a lot of times I think we could answer
I'm good or I'm fine, everything's fine. But honestly, actually
i'm recording with you. We're turning off a trip that
I took back home to Austin to spend some time
with my cousin and my aunt, who fun fact, they're
not biologically my aunt my cousin, but I've just always
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called my aunt least Um and Lisa. And actually, you're
listening to this on Sunday, So my cousin came on
Four Things on Thursday's episodes, so if you miss that,
go back and listen to it. And we talked a
little bit about our time together, and my aunt has
cancer and is entering the hospice phase soon, which you know,
for my mom. She was in hospice for about seven days.
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Some people are in hospice for a year or more,
so we really just don't know how much time we have,
but we do know that she's stopping chemo and radiation
and that means palliative care from here on out, which
is just keeping her comfortable and letting the cancer do
its thing. And I wanted to go while she was
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still lucid and we could tell stories. She was best
friends with my mom and dad. That's why I grew
up calling her aunt Lisa. All through the eighties, our
parents lived next to each other, and then she remained
good friends with both my mom and my dad even
after they were divorced. She was very close to both
of them towards the end of their lives. And it's
just important for me to connect with her because she
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wanted that, and she knew my parents would want that,
and there were so many stories, and she's like, if
you have questions, I might be one of the last
people that will know some of the stories you want
to know about. And my cousin is just such a
gift of light. For sure. You know, you said you
can send me love and light and I feel like
that's what this weekend was for me. It filled my
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cup up. Like I even got to have dinner with
some high school BFFs, and my cousin joined us, and
I went to the hike and bike and we walked
and we had coffee each morning, and we reminisced, we
were intentional with time, We told stories, we looked at
old photos. And so if you're asking how I am
like today, even with the time change this week and
(05:51):
travel delays, canceled flights and getting home super late, like
I didn't really sleep much last night, but my cup
is full. And it's amazing how it changes the energy
in you and the energy you put out, Like I
walked into the Bobby Bone show even this morning with
an extra pep in my step because I just was
so full of all the things that I needed. And
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I wasn't supposed to be in Austin this last weekend.
I was supposed to be in Florida. So it was
one of those last minute switches. And so that's just
some encouragement to sometimes listen, sure if you already have
other plans, but like evaluating you know what's the right
thing to do, or maybe is that the wrong thing
to do. But my sister was telling me about right,
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wrong and wise, and when she told me that was
almost the affirmation that I needed to switch my flight
because the wise thing for me to do to get
this time with them. Time is precious at this moment,
knowing what we know about my aunt's future, so like
that's the wise thing to do, and it really was.
It was life giving, and it was probably the best
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forty eight hours that I've spent in ginerally in a
long time. But also focused on relationships and others and
building those relationships, which is something I've been trying to do.
Like sometimes I've avoided that in my life, and I'm
really trying to be different with the people in my life.
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And so that's to me what this weekend was about.
And you know, as we're sitting here today, I'm doing great.
I don't know about tomorrow, but I hope this energy
stays with me and this healthy perspective of you know,
we have a choice, and I know we're going to
go through hard times. Anybody listening right now, they might
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not be in the same position I'm in right now,
and they might be having the worst day ever and
they're on a walk and this is like the thing
they're trying to get out and get the vitamin D
and soak up something and maybe listen to this podcast
and connect with us. But my encouragement would be, like
Cat likes to say on the fifth thing is have
a day you need to have, but also try to
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see if you can shift your perspective in any way possible.
And so, yeah, that's a really long answer to that.
How are you questioned? But I guess I'm just excited
to say that my cup is full. So and I
have a really good Instagram post that breaks down the
whole weekend if you'll want to go to Radio Amy.
I mean, I'm saying it's really good and it's my
own post. What I mean is I have it's insightful. Yes,
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I put up a thorough breakdown of what filled my
cup up and what fills your cup up might be different,
but for me, I put up ten pictures of ten
moments and ten things that happened this weekend that filled
me up. And so that's how I'm doing. I thank
you so much for giving context. I think so much
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of the time we're so fearful of like sharing how
we are really doing, and I think right now on
social media a lot of people are doing like the
real real stuff, the real hard stuff, but then there's
this alternative but also like hearing when we feel really
really good and happy and proud and full, and so
I think sharing those things are just as important as
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sharing the hard stuff. And I think when we have
family that her friends that become family that we choose,
it really just shows us that we do have a
choice in our life. Just surround ourselves with people that
make us feel wanted and cared for and loved. And I,
as you were talking about your aunt, I have someone
very similar that is my mom's best friend that I
call my the Anna. She's not blood, but I know
(09:30):
that she would do absolutely anything for me, always and forever.
So I really appreciate that answer. Thank you so much
for sharing. I guess my next question is kind of
(09:51):
a good segue, is that you share so much about
your life and your story. And I know we've all
kind of heard how you got into radio all that story,
but I kind of just was cure, is were you
really intentional about sharing your life? Like did you make
it a conscious decision? Like I'm going to be on radio.
If I want to be good at this, if I
want this to go somewhere, I'm going to have to
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be open and vulnerable. Or did you feel like it
was a natural unfolding, that something was just gifted to
you and it just kind of came easy to be
vulnerable and share your whole life. And now you're this
public figure with all these platforms that you do share
your stories, and it's not easy. Like I was just
thinking this morning as I was getting ready for this,
it it's not easy to put yourself out there. It's
(10:34):
nerve wracking and it's intimidating. But I feel like you're
so much better on the side of things that are
nerve wracking and intimidating when you see that gross. Okay, well,
thinking back to what I very first started radio, I
wasn't super nervous. I think I obviously had nerves doing
something that I had never done before. I mean, there's
days I go into work now after doing the show
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for almost sixteen years, and I have nerves about maybe
something we're gonna do. But when it came to sharing,
that just always kind of came naturally to me. And
so whether it was like hormonal stuff infertility, things like
I just didn't mind saying like, hey, head's up, I
might be snippy today because of this or that. Or
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if the guys would make fun of my sweater that
I was wearing, I would start, you know, bawling, crying,
like we would fight on air. And I guess some
of that was a little bit refreshing to people in
a way because we were just like truly friends around
the microphone. But then when real life things would happen,
like yeah, my infertility or my husband being deployed to Afghanistan,
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or I mean, I got married when I had first
joined the show, So we walked through me dating Air
Force guy and what that was like, and then his deployments,
and then my mom was diagnosed with cancer. So then
we started to sprinkle in we all did. I mean,
Bobby experienced the loss of his mother before I did.
And he got the call from his sister on the
show one day and he didn't bring it up right away.
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But what was crazy to me is he can compartmentalize.
So he hung up the phone with her and kept
doing the show like nothing happened. And then I'm on
my mic balling crying, but like trying to still pull
it together and do the show. But it was easy
for me to just show up and to be clear,
we don't share everything, and even sharing my mom's cancer journey,
I got her permission, Like any time I would share anything,
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I had her permission. On the flip side of that, though,
there have been times where I've shared stuff about friends
or family that I didn't think was going to be
a big deal, and so I didn't ask and it
ended up causing conflict, and so I had to really
create certain boundaries and remember other people don't always want
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every single story told on the radio. And trust me,
there's some stories I wish I could go back. Hopefully
they've disappeared for a long time. You know, they were
somewhere on iTunes or way back in the day beforecast,
so who knows where they are. But there there were
days I would get in my car and be like,
why does this have to live forever? I need to
erase today's show. But like my sister is someone who
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likes to share and talk, but not necessarily on a microphone,
Like she would come up to the station sometimes, my
mom and my sister we would do different things or
bits where they would come up and she would step
in front of the microphone and instantly her chest would
start just turning red and like breaking out in hives
because she just wasn't that comfortable, which is ironic because
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now she's got her own TV show on HDTV coming
out in April called Building Roots Shout Out. So proud
of her um, but that was outside of her comfort
zone for sure, but not her husband's, and her husband's
like we can do this, Like it's awesome, and now
she's so proud of herself for for accepting the challenge
and doing it. She hopes that it will be, you know,
just a really cool experience for their family. Of course,
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she doesn't want people to waste their time, and she
wants everybody to be involved for it to be a
successful thing. But it's if it's not. It's not something
she's chasing. So she's going to be okay, like they'll
be fine, but that's just a show. She's my blood sister,
my full sister, and our personalities are very different when
it comes to how comfortable we are in front of
a microphone. So to kind of go back to your
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very original question, I think it's just a natural thing
for me. But I do sometimes have to pause in
my brain and be like, oh that that I don't
know that I'm going to share that out of respect
for other people in my life, or maybe it's just
not an area of my life that I feel like
needs to be shared either yet or ever. And that's okay.
(14:38):
It's really interesting to hear about, like how you filter
things and the boundaries that you've created over time. And
I think, as you've been in the industry for so long,
like learning from past mistakes and growing from that, and
I think again there's growth in that, and very much
like what I was saying at the beginning, how your
sister said she's so happy that she did this. Maybe
it's not something that's natural to her doing the TV show,
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but I do feel like there's so much goodness on
the other side of our fear and nervousness, and for
you that it comes natural. There's other components to this
side of things, to sharing your life that you may
not have been able to look at or experience without
taking these steps and doing these things and saying and
(15:21):
sharing the stuff that you have shared online. Well, we
just try to have a perspective of there's someone listening
that maybe needs to hear whatever you're sharing. So we
try to just picture the audience as one person, and
maybe something I've shared doesn't affect anybody, but maybe something
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I've shared will resonate and connect with one person, whether
it's through laughter or tears or a different type of
story or whatever emotion is ignited, like when they're on
their way to work, or now with podcasting listening, you
know when they're driving home from work. Because we used
to be a morning show that you got to catch
us in the morning. I mean this is the early
early days, or you didn't really catch like the whole show,
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and now you can listen at different points and you
can be flexible throughout your day but still feel connected.
So anyway, wherever that one person is, we'll see. And
not every show is going to hit, not every show
is going to be super important, but over the years
we do have some super impactful, important shows that will
forever have a special place in my heart that I
will never forget, like I might have been the one
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person that was affected by the show. But I think
our hope is that by sharing certain things again, even
if it's laughter or something silly or some you know,
some street bid that Lunchbox is doing, or some joke
or funny song Bobby's playing, Like maybe someone needed that
laugh that day, they needed that distraction, they needed that.
Or if there's a story that really hits home and
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connects and maybe brings about tears and then maybe they
needed that cry in that moment, or they needed to
not feel alone and they needed to feel seen, like, oh,
I'm not the only person in this position right now.
So but if y'all are podcast listeners, you know, like,
that's what we want to do, is that people don't
want to feel alone. That's why we're here doing what
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we're doing. That's why you're here, Jackie. Yes, no, and
I've been listening. I remember when I first started really
listening to the show, there was always so much comfort.
This is like when I graduated college back in when
you guys were on iHeart Radio, I didn't really know
like much about podcasting space, and um, it was just
always comforting to know that you guys are gonna be
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there and it's gonna be long form, and it was
something I could listen to when I was in my
car doing a lot of home health work. And um,
I think that there's just also this sense of comfort
that comes from this type of space and this type
of sharing that I think a lot of people are
very attracted to, um, whether it's something they actually need
or something that UM maybe they needed and they didn't
even know that they needed. So where did you go
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to college? I went to you to Austin? Oh nice? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah,
I mean technically rerivals because I went to Texas A
and M. But I grew up in Austin, so I
don't really it's like you're like a half and half. Yeah,
I was a two percent er at A and M. Okay,
so I went to a tour at and M, and
I was considering going to either Texas or an M.
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And I called my mom and I said, I don't
think I can come here because I'll be a two
percent or like I don't know if I'll fit in
and like alone, like I don't know if I can
do all the things. UM. But I found my place
in Austin, and my mom gave me a lot of
comfort and like, you can always change your mind. You
don't have to stay here, you don't have to stay
this course, we're driving up to the dorm in Austin
and she just said, like you can change your mind
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if you don't like it here, and it was always
so comforting and something I think about even twenty nine
year old today, something that I think about to this day,
like I can always change course, which is a big
thing that happened with my career. Here I am twenty
nine getting my master So well, Jackie, that right there
what you said just resonated with someone, and I feel
like someone needed to hear it's okay to change your
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mind because there's few in that or there's this like
stigma attached to it that like, oh, I've been doing
this or this is how I was, or this is
who I've been for this, this this, I can't change
my mind because there might be some judgment with that
or you know what I'm trying to say, I do.
But it's really helpful because it's something that I wanted
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to bring up, is that I think I hear you
will not talk about how you feel bad about things
that you've shared in your past when you first started
this podcast, which I have been I've probably listened to.
It's kind of embarrassing and cringe to stay, but like
probably about your episodes, I've listened to you all the
poor things, like literally long time super crazy listener, but
I hear you say a lot that you feel bad
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about the things that you might have shared prior to
your healing, and you're from your eating disorder, and I
want to tell you, like it is such a gift
what you don't see for the listeners, Like you're able
to show us in real time what it looks like
to change your mind and to grow and to choose
something that we don't have to keep choosing the same
patterns that we can heal all in real time. So
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I just want to give you some encouragement because you
know it's something that weighs heavy on you. You feel
like you may have caused damage or some things that
you wish you wouldn't have shared. But I think looking back,
it's so comforting to know we can't change our mind.
We don't have to be a product of the choices
that we need in the past. We can choose something
different for ourselves, and I think you're a huge example
of that, because in order to heal, we need self awareness,
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we need acknowledgement, and we need to change therefore from
those things that we have learned. So it's just something
to to just share with you. Thank you. I appreciate
that a lot. Okay, So I think one other question
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that I have, or maybe if we can do two more,
is I guess if you could write a letter or
give advice to your younger self, what would you say
and why. I think that I would tell myself to
not fear connection, and it probably would be just short
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and sweet in that way, like true emotional connection. And
I don't think that was modeled to me through my
dad or my mom, even though they were really amazing parents.
I think that they both had different things in their
life that caused them to kind of emotionally not connect.
And it kind of took me almost becoming a mom,
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and then also even some really honest friends sharing with
me how they felt. And you know, that's hard to
hear about yourself that you may not be connected or
or care. And I think that it takes work and
once you again you mentioned self awareness and it doesn't
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happen overnight. And I realized it too becoming a mom,
because I looked at how I wasn't really necting with
my adopted kids. I mean, whether I had biological or adopted,
it was gonna probably show up in this way manifest
and I was just able to talk. Luckily had therapists
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in my life and different friends that I've been able
to talk through it with, and even my sister and
just this last weekend, even with my aunt Lisa and Amanda,
and you know, at least so she confirmed. She's like, Amy,
I know you didn't get this from your mom. I
know that that's something you really truly needed. She's like,
but it's okay, Like you don't have to continue this,
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like they even my cousin, they both knew it, like
it just there wasn't this. It's hard to look back
and say now because I don't want it to be
like I'm talking bad about my mom, but I don't
think I truly knew it at the time. Unfortunately, took
till she passed away and then a lot of work
and growth on my part where I was like, oh,
and it's not to like pass the you know, blame
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to her by any means. I have to take responsibility.
But everybody has different life experiences that shape who they are,
and then it gives them, like you said, that filter
that we all have through different things that we can
take it through and then we just that's our filter,
and so I have to reframe that and try to
connect in my own ways and look for it and
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practice it, practice connection. It takes. I'm not gonna be
perfect out of the gate. Some people have been connecting
since they were little, and that's a gift that they have,
and they're really good at it. And you know, sometimes
I have to fight being jealous of those people because
I don't need to be like I have other things
that I know I'm good at, but this is obviously
something that's important. Connection is key to relationships in life,
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and that's what I would write to myself because that
had had I started the process of learning how to
truly connect at a younger age, i'd obviously be further along.
But I'm also okay knowing that I learned when I learned,
and I'm still, honestly still in the thick of earning it,
and that that's the cool part, right. I can see it,
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I can see it happening, and hopefully it'll life will
only get richer because of it, because of those connections
in my second half of my life. I mean, I'm
forty forty one now, and if you think that that
average life. The life expectancy is what's seventy eight and
a half years old. I think, so here I am
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halfway through life, so I got maybe forty more good
years to go, and I hope to really make some
true connections in those coming years. I think it's so
interesting that, like behind the microphone, you feel so comfortable
sharing and everything, and then when you're kind of in
real life, there's this disconnect. And I talk a lot
about it in therapy with my therapist about you want
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to get integrated. It's like a salt and pepper shaker
where the top is going one way and then the
bottom is going the opposite way. And it's if you
want to get in sync and fully integrated in this
acknowledgement that you're talking about from your past and kind
off again like you said nothing about your mom, but
it's like you're aware of that now you're taking responsibility
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of how that's manifested in your life, and you're choosing
to do better not only for your children and your
husband and your family and your friends, but for yourself too,
because ultimately you get to be part of those relationships,
You get to have that emotional intimacy, you get to
have that richer, more truer, and more beautiful experience with
the people that are around you too, And go to
your friends for having those hard conversations with you. I'm
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sure at the time it felt like they were upset
or mad at you, but I think it truly shows
how much they loved you and how much they do
love you. So think, yeah, I love that. Okay, So
when do you feel more like you're most like yourself?
Like I think we're all crazy all the time, Like
I think a lot of people that listen to this show,
at least me include like I feel again like very
(25:48):
just like not integrated a lot of the time, like
crazy Grid screaming. My poor husband deals with my mess
all the time. But when do you feel most comfortable,
like most confident, selfish, shirt and at ease, like I
know right now, use that your cup is full. But
I feel like there's a little bit of a difference,
like when you feel most great in your skin and
(26:08):
you're like, wow, today was a solid day or however
you want to take it. Yeah, just a reference back
to this weekend. It is different because I was It's
so funny you you asked that question because I sat
down on my aunt's sofa on Saturday morning at like
sixty five, with a cup of coffee with them, and
I instantly had We were drinking out a little mugs
(26:31):
that we call the Judy mugs because that was my
mom's name, and she loved a little dainty, thin, flowery mugs,
and she gifted my aunt some, so that's what we
were using. So obviously there was some emotion there. And
then knowing that what my aunt is facing and what
my cousin is going through, I was met with emotion
and almost started crying. But then this piece just came
(26:52):
over me and I looked at them and I said, y'all,
this is the most comfortable I have been in a
long time. But I don't think it leans to the
question of like when I'm a most confident. So I
see where you're saying. It's different the type of answer
you're looking for, But I'll just kind of give a
little double answer of like, sometimes you need to reset
find your people that know you and love you no
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matter what. Which, again, these are people from when I
was born, and they know the achiness of my family.
They know a lot of acheness with me, they know
they've they've experienced life and they can just sit with
you and you can sit with them in the in
the hard stuff. And when that peace came over me,
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that's what it was. It was like I have had
a very crazy, you know year for sure, it probably
started late where things were out of control and I
probably haven't felt that comfortable, like I don't know sitting
down on her couch like it was just yes, this
piece and when it comes to just data, a like
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feeling my best, I probably have a few more answers
to this. I love doing what I do and hosting
in different things. So if we have an event where
maybe I'm on stage or we've done something really cool
at work, like the energy that I feel from that
is confidence, like I'm gonna go out there, I'm gonna
do my best, hopefully nail it. Um. I tend to
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walk away from those things energized and motivated and yes, confident,
and I love that my job has given me those
types of opportunities because it's not lost on me that
some people are not energized by the work they get
to do. So I'm thankful for that, but that I
like want to cling to that confidence sometimes because I
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don't always have it, but I'm like, whatever this is
that I'm feeling right now, bottle it up, and I
need to splash it on myself every day because this
is what I'm supposed to be doing. Like this is
fun for me, it's my jam. So there's that. But
then I'm also you'll find me most days in leggings,
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minimal makeup, maybe some sunscreen my hair and a ponytail
and like a sweatshirt and on a walk like soaking
up the vitamin D having that time, whether it's alone
or with friends. I feel so good after something like that.
That's actually another thing we did in Austin that filled
my cup up. We went to Town Lake. Hi can
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bike now it's Ladybird Lake all the the new people
call it that, but I mean I went to Austin
High which is right on Town Lake. And the memories
on that trail run deep. They are no jokes, yes,
and we were working it, but something about for me
being outside with nature, and I guess that also makes
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me think of Colorado, which is where my sister is,
and that's one of my favorite places ever. If I
could just move somewhere, even though the snow is hard,
which people that live where there's a snow, they're probably
listening right now, like yeah, yeah, yeah, but you get
through it. It's just a season, and it's worth it
because summer there is amazing. So I would move to
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Pagosa Springs and be outdoors and I would ski and
I would hike in the summer, and I would work
at my sister's coffee shop and I would be relaxed
and confident and calm doing that kind of stuff too,
and again with my sister, like she also is someone
that makes me feel more confident. There's something about our
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bond that I really appreciate, and I have learned to
appreciate the older we've gotten. But I was always the
annoying little sister, so she she finally got on board
with our connection later too, after I stopped being annoying.
But I think going through the loss of both of
our parents together has created even more of a bond.
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And I feel that even with my half brother and
half sister, even though I'm not as close to them,
I am like I don't care what they need. They
pick up the phone, they call they need it, like
I'm there. So I know not everybody has sibling relationships
like that, So that in this moment is allowing me
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to be super super thankful for those relationships that make
me more confident because they're part of me. They make
me up there who I am, they help me be
who I am. They're my family. And how interesting that
all of these things come back to connection, Like all
of it comes back to connection. You're talking about sitting
on the couch with your aunt and with your cousin,
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and that's like a way, a place where you can
be without a mask, right, you can be your true self.
They know you from before to the middle to now.
And then you're talking about work when you're in flow
and you're feeling creative, and then when you're in nature.
I don't know, all of those things just remind me
of being connected and feeling like just grounded, grounded in
yourself and grounded with those around you. So I think
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it's really important, I don't know, for people to just
think about that and think about when they feel the best,
who they feel the best around, why do they feel
good or why do they feel comfort, at ease, at peace, confident,
and try to create more of those experiences in their life.
I think is something that we all kind of want
because maybe it's not necessarily happiness that we're chasing. I
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don't think that, because we're not meant to be happy
all the time. But I think we're meant to feel comfortable,
like comfortable in our bodies, comfortable with our emotions, comfortable
in our experiences. I don't know. I think you talked
about that in so many different ways of your life,
and even with your sister. I don't know. That's so relatable.
My sister is the same, she's my big sister, three
years above me. And when I called her to say
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that I was going to do this, like I wish
I could bottle up her reaction and like keep it
for her. I wish I would have recorded it because
I didn't expect how she was going to reaction. Reacted
like crazier than I did, and she was like, oh
my god. She was like, I almost thought I was
gonna have to think because I thought you were going
to say something about someone that I had no clue.
She's like, but you, this is so huge for you,
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so finding those bottling them up, getting those feelings, and
trying to recreate them as much as you can. As
I think how we can a little more comfortable life. Yeah,
I think maybe you mentioned something about someone making you
feel warm on Tuesday's episode. This last Tuesday's fifth thing,
Cat and I talk about being warm. We talk about
that exactly and having that warm feeling with people and
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who makes you feel warm and not everybody's gonna and
unfortunately I'm gonna not make some people feel warm, and
I have to accept that. I mean, it doesn't mean
I intentionally go out and I'm like, who carols, I'll
just do whatever I want by any means. But that's
a hard thing for some of us to accept. And
that's what I've been working through is it's okay, it's okay.
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It doesn't mean either person necessarily did awful things by
any means. There just might not be like a warm,
safe connection. We also broke down like being warm or
feeling warm, like literally like in your pants. We talk
about how like if you laugh too much you might
be or like if you might just or maybe even not,
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like you just have to go to the bathroom so
bad and you don't make it, which hello, that's another thing,
like welcome to be Corty. I haven't even had kids yet,
but we we had a little theme in the episode
of being a warmness. I feeling, Hey, there's so much
comfort and being warm so I love that this is
so wonderful that you are able to do with us
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and a way for you to not only connect with everybody,
but I think it just shows um that you do
desire that, as you do desire to be connected with
your community. I don't know, I think that that's those
are really my big four questions that I have. I
don't really know if you have any questions for me.
I would love to hear four things that you're thankful
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for if you'd like to share that. Yeah, I would
love to share that. I'm super thankful for this time. Um,
it's been so fun to get to know you and
to be able to do this again. I think there's
a lot of growth that comes behind things that it
guess feel scared and excited. So thankful for this time.
I'm thankful for spring break. I'm on spring break right
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now and any day yes, so good. I feel like
that feeling that you're talking about, like bottling up on
a Saturday before long break, that I have, like waking
up and knowing I'm about to embark on a long break.
That's something I love to hold onto and like bottle
up so good. So I'm thankful for spring break. I'm
thankful for my cup of coffee this morning. Every day,
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I'm thankful for a great cup of coffee. I'm thankful
for heating pads. It sounds so like tiny, but my
back has been horrible the last two days and I've
been just like sitting and resting with my heating pad
and it's just been a game changer. Awesome. I love that.
I don't think it's all or horrible. It's probably reminding
some people. Oh yeah, maybe I need to bust out
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a heating pad. I actually have my mom's heating pad
from the seventies repart. We still use it, but to
be honest, I'm scared that one day it's just gonna
catch fire and like an electrical hazard, like a fire,
like something's gonna go wrong. But I can't seem to
part with it. And it's so special and yeah, of
course totally retro looking, but we might have to retire
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it soon. But you mentioned coffee, so I would love
to hear how you take your coffee. Oh so good. Okay,
So my sister got as a French press for Christmas,
and I've never had coffee that way delicious, so I've
been taking it that way. But I'm going to shamelessly
plug one of my friend's coffee shops, luss He's Coffee
um He and his wife. They moved from Buerflo, Rico
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and they lived down in the Rado where I'm from originally,
and they started their own coffee shops. So I love
to roast their beans and then just put it in
my old school Mr Coffee and put my coffee with
a little bit of nut pods in their hanzelnut or
sweet cream, mix it on up and have my coffee.
That's what I like. I love it. I love hearing
the different ways because you never know, like if someone
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might be inspired to switch things up or try out
a new coffee. Bosses, how do you spell that? D
O S I S d O S I S And
what does that mean? It means like does so it's
like your daily dopes of caffeine. Their tagline is come
for coffee, Stay for friends. It's really cute. Oh I
love that. Well, thank you Jackie for coming on. This
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is your episode, So if is there anything else you
want to say before we say bye. No Um, I
guess if you want to quickly share four things you're
thankful for, I know you have your four things gratitude journal,
which is super cute. I don't have one yet, but
that's on one of my list for hopefully graduation to
get so well, I would love to send you one.
So I'm going to do that for graduation and for
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coming on and doing this, which we don't have that
many gratitude journals left. So um, Yes, shop squat dot
com and we have a thing going all right now.
We're trying to fundraise for the orphanage where my kids
are at. Like the day to day fees, there are
good or expenses. I guess I should say those are
being met, but we have some unexpected needs that came
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up regarding security, the well where they get water, and
the school that is there. So education, water, security three
very important things. And so that is something where if
you know you shop right now, all proceeds are going
to that. And that's the orphanage where my kids live.
That's where I first met them. It's one of the
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first places I ever went in poort of prints, and
I would visit there all the time. I'm heartbroken we
haven't been able to go back in years because of
security and it's not safe to go, which is why
the wall there and security there is so important that
kids can't really leave. So that's why the school being
there is important. And if you would like to help out, yeah,
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shop spat dot com and it's E S p W A.
And yeah, we do have Gratitude Journal if there's any
even left after kind of this fundraiser, but I'll be
sending you one, Jackie. And then you know, you mentioned
having a four thing zip pouch and we have four
things totes and we even we're playing around with shirts
that say Bobby Amy lunchbox Eddie. Any of those are
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the four things do you think? Yeah? I mean I
would wait again, like I hope probably wear something like that.
I think it's cute star necklace. Like, um, we have
a lot of different things and pimp and joy and
we're just really focused on trying to in this this weekend,
these few days to try to send as much love
and support their way as we possibly can. And so
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to answer your question about four things gratitude. For me,
I'm thankful for my daily harvest smoothie. I love their
smoothies and I opted for ginger and greens today, which
I add a scoop of Spirelina in it. So that's
why it's basically like turquoise but trying trying to get
that extra nutrients. I am thankful for you, Jackie. This
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opportunity to connect with listeners and me being able to
take the time to do this listener lead series is
super important to me. It's special, Like, I'm so thankful
that the idea came to me one day of where
I knew I kind of wanted to do an extra
thing like the walk thing, but I was like, what
does it look like? Or what's my content going to be?
And then I want to know more about you that
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are listening, and so being able to do this gives
me that opportunity and again just helps create community. So
it's ironic because we're strangers, even though we're not like
I like to think of us as a community, but
we're kind of strangers. And so this weird thing that
has been difficult to unpack, especially for people in my
life that have been close to me for all these years,
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or like I see you connecting with people that you
barely know, but like you don't even connect with me,
So work through that one in therapy. But with people
that I don't really know, I don't really have a
fear of them abandoning me or leaving me or not.
Can you know, there's already like there's a barrier. It's
a safe connection, like you and I are connecting right now,
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but it's safe like whereas and you know, this is
just the theory from the experts in my life, but
like that, other people that I have formed relationships with,
it's not as safe because there's care involved. There's feelings
like there's potential of getting too close and then getting
hurt or that person leaving and you know, we can
break that down and date it back to my dad
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leaving when I was a child and just protecting myself.
So that's just something I wanted to address when it
comes because we're talking about connection, how I want to
do this podcast, and I've wanted to connect with listeners
all along the sixteen years, like when I joined the show, Like,
but that was obviously something that was weird and hard
for people close to my life even when I started
the show, because I was that way, I wasn't connecting
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with people literally in my life, but I was connecting
with strangers that I never met. Does that make sense
to you? Yes? No, because I feel like even with this,
I told it very select you of people, not even
very many, because it's hard. It's hard again to put
yourself out there. You don't know what other people are
gonna think. You're not sure, and I think people that
are people pleasers worry a lot about the way that
they're being perceived and not so much about feeling safe
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and comfortable. And I think there's a lot of trust
that goes into real human relationships, something I'm working on
in therapy of myself. It's like trusting the people that
are saying you can trust me and I can hold
this and share space with you. So it's just it's hard.
It's not an easy thing. It's not an easy fix.
So just know that there's comfort in that. But this
is like a small way to do that, and the
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skills that you have here you can always then generalized outside.
That's hopefully the goal. Right. The more comfortable you feel
sharing space with strangers hopefully will lend itself to when
you share those that you care about and love and
get with your therapist for the third thing, thank you
for sharing that. But the for the third thing, I'll
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say my dog Carra. She's laying at my feet right now.
I love her to death. And uh. Then fourth thing,
but don't worry Maggie too. She's my cat. She's just
not in here right now. At fourth thing would be
my chiropractor has been a little bittor. Well, my friend
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Kara married a chiropractor. Okay, his name is Gary and
he well, they'll both come over. She likes to come
over and see the kids hang out and then he'll
set up. He'll even work on Stashira a little bit
at times, and Sashia was always like ah, but he
has been doing some numbers on my neck and back
lately that have felt like I dream about them, like
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the pop that whatever he's doing, the release that I'm feeling.
I've been like, oh, I wish I could have Geary.
Of course I can't. Haven't come over every day. I'm
also paying him and I have to be realistic. But
even though it's nice of him to come to the
house because he does work like in an office, so
I've was so thankful for him. I've gotten so much
relief the last week or two from him, and he
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even did some cupping on my back, so that part
was cool and felt fancy, and you could like see
the inflammation like rising to the skin because it was darker,
um wherever my body was inflamed. And I mean, it's
worth to try, he said. Some people get results with it,
some people don't, but it just depends. Some people think
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it's cuckoo, but he's like, look, I'm not into sometimes
there's like cuckoo things attached to the cupping. He's like,
but I'm about the science behind it. And to me,
like it's a percent fact that inflammation is coming to
the surface. So he's like, for me, that's that's a
good thing. So those are my four things. Thank you
for Thank you, Thank you so much again for spending
so much of your time with me. I'm sure you're
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super busy, um, but this was so great and I
feel so honored and humbled to be able to share
space with you. So thank you again. Thank you for
coming on. I know originally I'm trying to make these
about like thirty minutes. Here we are. I enjoyed our
chats so much, and you offered so much wisdom and insight,
and I think where you are in life and your
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education and your life experience. Thank you for sharing some
of that. Again, it was helpful. So that's what's going
to be cool about this series is seeing what the
listeners can also bring to the table for other listeners,
because you were vital to this conversation and I am
I'm thankful for the email. So yeah, four Things with
Amy Brown at gmail dot com is where y'all can
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send notes. And if you want to, just put listener
Q and A in the subject line or the walk
thing or whatever it is. And if you happen to
listen to this episode while you were walking, well then
you got in a really nice long walk in high
five to you for moving. But if you're listening to
this while you're laying down, hey, you've got a really
nice relaxing break, hopefully and hopefully, and if you're listening
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to this while you're you know, doing errands or whatnot,
hopefully you got a lot accomplished and you feel good
about that. And we were happy to be a part
of whatever you were doing. And Jackie, thank you so much. Again.
I keep saying thank you, but be on the lookout
for an email so that I can send you a
gratitude journal, just need your address. And why don't we
say bye to everybody, hy bye
All right, Happy Sunday, and welcome to the second ever
You and A episode. This time it is with listener
Jackie Barrego from Texas. Hey Jackie, Hi, Hi, Amy, So
tell me where you're from in Texas, because I'm from Austin, Okay.
So I've actually kind of been all over Texas. Me
and my husband like to call it the tour to
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thirty five. So we've kind of been in Santonio, Austin,
but now we find ourselves in Fort Worth. I'm here
for an internship, so it's been really nice to be
here an internship for what for? My specialist degree in
school psychology, So I'm finishing up my master's. Yeah, I
graduated in May. Sounds so excited. Oh, I can see
the smile on your face, like that is such a
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big accomplishment. I think what I'm gonna do is read
the email that you sent me and then we'll let
you get into the questions that you've curated for the episode. Okay,
sounds good. Hey, Amy, long time listener, second time emailer.
Last week, when I heard about you potentially opening up
the opportunity to share conversation with you on the walk thing,
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which I'm inserting myself here to the email. We're now
just calling the listener Q and A, but some are
calling it the Sunday Stroll. Okay, back to the email.
I got so excited. You have no idea the last
time you let a listener interview you, I was floored
with how kind and generous you were with your time.
For years, I've had such a complicated relationship with food, exercise,
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and my body. Walking was and continues to be the
only thing that never feels like a requirement. This gentle
moment of movement that used to feel not enough is
now something I deeply look forward to. I even put
walking as one of my favorite things on my personalized
four Things pouch the attached picture which thank you for
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sending a picture. I love that, Jackie. Back to your words.
Everyone that knows me knows how much I love a good, long, juicy,
hot girl walk. I go there to spend time with friends, think, reflect,
tune in, listen to music or podcasts. It's a moment
for sure. Anyway, enough rambling, I would love the opportunity
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for you to consider me to share space together and
walk alongside you and your listeners for a day. P S.
I won't lie. I was discouraged when I heard you
say on today's episode that so many people submitted jries
for this. I almost didn't send this, but like my
grandfather used to say, why not last thing? I swear,
I just wanted to say I'm thankful you have such
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a community that surrounds you and loves you. It seems
like the past two years have been challenging. To say
the least, I can't do much, but I can send
all the love and light your way. I really hope
to hear from you soon. Your friend Jackie Barrego from Texas.
So thank you Jackie for that amazing email and for
being a part of the listener Q and a a
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k A walk thing a k A Sunday Stroll. So
I'm gonna give the mic to you and You're going
to take over be because this is now the Jackie Show. Well,
thank you for reading that. I wasn't anticipating you reading it,
and I remember when I was writing it. It was
very quick and off the cuff, and I had heard
you and Cat talk about it, and I wanted to
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send it, and I forgot because life is busy, and
so when I heard you guys talk about it again.
I wanted to make sure I sent something, so I
did it really quick. So I hope it's encouragement for
people to just do it again, even if they're not
sure how it's going to go. But questioned, I have
so many, but I'm going to kind of try to
keep it to four since we do four things around here.
So first and foremost, how are you doing? Wow? How
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are you doing? Is such a that's such a question
where a lot of times I think we could answer
I'm good or I'm fine, everything's fine. But honestly, actually
i'm recording with you. We're turning off a trip that
I took back home to Austin to spend some time
with my cousin and my aunt, who fun fact, they're
not biologically my aunt my cousin, but I've just always
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called my aunt least Um and Lisa. And actually, you're
listening to this on Sunday, So my cousin came on
Four Things on Thursday's episodes, so if you miss that,
go back and listen to it. And we talked a
little bit about our time together, and my aunt has
cancer and is entering the hospice phase soon, which you know,
for my mom. She was in hospice for about seven days.
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Some people are in hospice for a year or more,
so we really just don't know how much time we have,
but we do know that she's stopping chemo and radiation
and that means palliative care from here on out, which
is just keeping her comfortable and letting the cancer do
its thing. And I wanted to go while she was
(04:43):
still lucid and we could tell stories. She was best
friends with my mom and dad. That's why I grew
up calling her aunt Lisa. All through the eighties, our
parents lived next to each other, and then she remained
good friends with both my mom and my dad even
after they were divorced. She was very close to both
of them towards the end of their lives. And it's
just important for me to connect with her because she
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wanted that, and she knew my parents would want that,
and there were so many stories, and she's like, if
you have questions, I might be one of the last
people that will know some of the stories you want
to know about. And my cousin is just such a
gift of light. For sure. You know, you said you
can send me love and light and I feel like
that's what this weekend was for me. It filled my
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cup up. Like I even got to have dinner with
some high school BFFs, and my cousin joined us, and
I went to the hike and bike and we walked
and we had coffee each morning, and we reminisced, we
were intentional with time, We told stories, we looked at
old photos. And so if you're asking how I am
like today, even with the time change this week and
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travel delays, canceled flights and getting home super late, like
I didn't really sleep much last night, but my cup
is full. And it's amazing how it changes the energy
in you and the energy you put out, Like I
walked into the Bobby Bone show even this morning with
an extra pep in my step because I just was
so full of all the things that I needed. And
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I wasn't supposed to be in Austin this last weekend.
I was supposed to be in Florida. So it was
one of those last minute switches. And so that's just
some encouragement to sometimes listen, sure if you already have
other plans, but like evaluating you know what's the right
thing to do, or maybe is that the wrong thing
to do. But my sister was telling me about right,
(06:36):
wrong and wise, and when she told me that was
almost the affirmation that I needed to switch my flight
because the wise thing for me to do to get
this time with them. Time is precious at this moment,
knowing what we know about my aunt's future, so like
that's the wise thing to do, and it really was.
It was life giving, and it was probably the best
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forty eight hours that I've spent in ginerally in a
long time. But also focused on relationships and others and
building those relationships, which is something I've been trying to do.
Like sometimes I've avoided that in my life, and I'm
really trying to be different with the people in my life.
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And so that's to me what this weekend was about.
And you know, as we're sitting here today, I'm doing great.
I don't know about tomorrow, but I hope this energy
stays with me and this healthy perspective of you know,
we have a choice, and I know we're going to
go through hard times. Anybody listening right now, they might
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not be in the same position I'm in right now,
and they might be having the worst day ever and
they're on a walk and this is like the thing
they're trying to get out and get the vitamin D
and soak up something and maybe listen to this podcast
and connect with us. But my encouragement would be, like
Cat likes to say on the fifth thing is have
a day you need to have, but also try to
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see if you can shift your perspective in any way possible.
And so, yeah, that's a really long answer to that.
How are you questioned? But I guess I'm just excited
to say that my cup is full. So and I
have a really good Instagram post that breaks down the
whole weekend if you'll want to go to Radio Amy.
I mean, I'm saying it's really good and it's my
own post. What I mean is I have it's insightful. Yes,
(08:27):
I put up a thorough breakdown of what filled my
cup up and what fills your cup up might be different,
but for me, I put up ten pictures of ten
moments and ten things that happened this weekend that filled
me up. And so that's how I'm doing. I thank
you so much for giving context. I think so much
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of the time we're so fearful of like sharing how
we are really doing, and I think right now on
social media a lot of people are doing like the
real real stuff, the real hard stuff, but then there's
this alternative but also like hearing when we feel really
really good and happy and proud and full, and so
I think sharing those things are just as important as
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sharing the hard stuff. And I think when we have
family that her friends that become family that we choose,
it really just shows us that we do have a
choice in our life. Just surround ourselves with people that
make us feel wanted and cared for and loved. And I,
as you were talking about your aunt, I have someone
very similar that is my mom's best friend that I
call my the Anna. She's not blood, but I know
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that she would do absolutely anything for me, always and forever.
So I really appreciate that answer. Thank you so much
for sharing. I guess my next question is kind of
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a good segue, is that you share so much about
your life and your story. And I know we've all
kind of heard how you got into radio all that story,
but I kind of just was cure, is were you
really intentional about sharing your life? Like did you make
it a conscious decision? Like I'm going to be on radio.
If I want to be good at this, if I
want this to go somewhere, I'm going to have to
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be open and vulnerable. Or did you feel like it
was a natural unfolding, that something was just gifted to
you and it just kind of came easy to be
vulnerable and share your whole life. And now you're this
public figure with all these platforms that you do share
your stories, and it's not easy. Like I was just
thinking this morning as I was getting ready for this,
it it's not easy to put yourself out there. It's
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nerve wracking and it's intimidating. But I feel like you're
so much better on the side of things that are
nerve wracking and intimidating when you see that gross. Okay, well,
thinking back to what I very first started radio, I
wasn't super nervous. I think I obviously had nerves doing
something that I had never done before. I mean, there's
days I go into work now after doing the show
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for almost sixteen years, and I have nerves about maybe
something we're gonna do. But when it came to sharing,
that just always kind of came naturally to me. And
so whether it was like hormonal stuff infertility, things like
I just didn't mind saying like, hey, head's up, I
might be snippy today because of this or that. Or
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if the guys would make fun of my sweater that
I was wearing, I would start, you know, bawling, crying,
like we would fight on air. And I guess some
of that was a little bit refreshing to people in
a way because we were just like truly friends around
the microphone. But then when real life things would happen,
like yeah, my infertility or my husband being deployed to Afghanistan,
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or I mean, I got married when I had first
joined the show, So we walked through me dating Air
Force guy and what that was like, and then his deployments,
and then my mom was diagnosed with cancer. So then
we started to sprinkle in we all did. I mean,
Bobby experienced the loss of his mother before I did.
And he got the call from his sister on the
show one day and he didn't bring it up right away.
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But what was crazy to me is he can compartmentalize.
So he hung up the phone with her and kept
doing the show like nothing happened. And then I'm on
my mic balling crying, but like trying to still pull
it together and do the show. But it was easy
for me to just show up and to be clear,
we don't share everything, and even sharing my mom's cancer journey,
I got her permission, Like any time I would share anything,
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I had her permission. On the flip side of that, though,
there have been times where I've shared stuff about friends
or family that I didn't think was going to be
a big deal, and so I didn't ask and it
ended up causing conflict, and so I had to really
create certain boundaries and remember other people don't always want
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every single story told on the radio. And trust me,
there's some stories I wish I could go back. Hopefully
they've disappeared for a long time. You know, they were
somewhere on iTunes or way back in the day beforecast,
so who knows where they are. But there there were
days I would get in my car and be like,
why does this have to live forever? I need to
erase today's show. But like my sister is someone who
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likes to share and talk, but not necessarily on a microphone,
Like she would come up to the station sometimes, my
mom and my sister we would do different things or
bits where they would come up and she would step
in front of the microphone and instantly her chest would
start just turning red and like breaking out in hives
because she just wasn't that comfortable, which is ironic because
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now she's got her own TV show on HDTV coming
out in April called Building Roots Shout Out. So proud
of her um, but that was outside of her comfort
zone for sure, but not her husband's, and her husband's
like we can do this, Like it's awesome, and now
she's so proud of herself for for accepting the challenge
and doing it. She hopes that it will be, you know,
just a really cool experience for their family. Of course,
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she doesn't want people to waste their time, and she
wants everybody to be involved for it to be a
successful thing. But it's if it's not. It's not something
she's chasing. So she's going to be okay, like they'll
be fine, but that's just a show. She's my blood sister,
my full sister, and our personalities are very different when
it comes to how comfortable we are in front of
a microphone. So to kind of go back to your
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very original question, I think it's just a natural thing
for me. But I do sometimes have to pause in
my brain and be like, oh that that I don't
know that I'm going to share that out of respect
for other people in my life, or maybe it's just
not an area of my life that I feel like
needs to be shared either yet or ever. And that's okay.
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It's really interesting to hear about, like how you filter
things and the boundaries that you've created over time. And
I think, as you've been in the industry for so long,
like learning from past mistakes and growing from that, and
I think again there's growth in that, and very much
like what I was saying at the beginning, how your
sister said she's so happy that she did this. Maybe
it's not something that's natural to her doing the TV show,
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but I do feel like there's so much goodness on
the other side of our fear and nervousness, and for
you that it comes natural. There's other components to this
side of things, to sharing your life that you may
not have been able to look at or experience without
taking these steps and doing these things and saying and
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sharing the stuff that you have shared online. Well, we
just try to have a perspective of there's someone listening
that maybe needs to hear whatever you're sharing. So we
try to just picture the audience as one person, and
maybe something I've shared doesn't affect anybody, but maybe something
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I've shared will resonate and connect with one person, whether
it's through laughter or tears or a different type of
story or whatever emotion is ignited, like when they're on
their way to work, or now with podcasting listening, you
know when they're driving home from work. Because we used
to be a morning show that you got to catch
us in the morning. I mean this is the early
early days, or you didn't really catch like the whole show,
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and now you can listen at different points and you
can be flexible throughout your day but still feel connected.
So anyway, wherever that one person is, we'll see. And
not every show is going to hit, not every show
is going to be super important, but over the years
we do have some super impactful, important shows that will
forever have a special place in my heart that I
will never forget, like I might have been the one
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person that was affected by the show. But I think
our hope is that by sharing certain things again, even
if it's laughter or something silly or some you know,
some street bid that Lunchbox is doing, or some joke
or funny song Bobby's playing, Like maybe someone needed that
laugh that day, they needed that distraction, they needed that.
Or if there's a story that really hits home and
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connects and maybe brings about tears and then maybe they
needed that cry in that moment, or they needed to
not feel alone and they needed to feel seen, like, oh,
I'm not the only person in this position right now.
So but if y'all are podcast listeners, you know, like,
that's what we want to do, is that people don't
want to feel alone. That's why we're here doing what
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we're doing. That's why you're here, Jackie. Yes, no, and
I've been listening. I remember when I first started really
listening to the show, there was always so much comfort.
This is like when I graduated college back in when
you guys were on iHeart Radio, I didn't really know
like much about podcasting space, and um, it was just
always comforting to know that you guys are gonna be
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there and it's gonna be long form, and it was
something I could listen to when I was in my
car doing a lot of home health work. And um,
I think that there's just also this sense of comfort
that comes from this type of space and this type
of sharing that I think a lot of people are
very attracted to, um, whether it's something they actually need
or something that UM maybe they needed and they didn't
even know that they needed. So where did you go
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to college? I went to you to Austin? Oh nice? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah,
I mean technically rerivals because I went to Texas A
and M. But I grew up in Austin, so I
don't really it's like you're like a half and half. Yeah,
I was a two percent er at A and M. Okay,
so I went to a tour at and M, and
I was considering going to either Texas or an M.
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And I called my mom and I said, I don't
think I can come here because I'll be a two
percent or like I don't know if I'll fit in
and like alone, like I don't know if I can
do all the things. UM. But I found my place
in Austin, and my mom gave me a lot of
comfort and like, you can always change your mind. You
don't have to stay here, you don't have to stay
this course, we're driving up to the dorm in Austin
and she just said, like you can change your mind
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if you don't like it here, and it was always
so comforting and something I think about even twenty nine
year old today, something that I think about to this day,
like I can always change course, which is a big
thing that happened with my career. Here I am twenty
nine getting my master So well, Jackie, that right there
what you said just resonated with someone, and I feel
like someone needed to hear it's okay to change your
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mind because there's few in that or there's this like
stigma attached to it that like, oh, I've been doing
this or this is how I was, or this is
who I've been for this, this this, I can't change
my mind because there might be some judgment with that
or you know what I'm trying to say, I do.
But it's really helpful because it's something that I wanted
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to bring up, is that I think I hear you
will not talk about how you feel bad about things
that you've shared in your past when you first started
this podcast, which I have been I've probably listened to.
It's kind of embarrassing and cringe to stay, but like
probably about your episodes, I've listened to you all the
poor things, like literally long time super crazy listener, but
I hear you say a lot that you feel bad
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about the things that you might have shared prior to
your healing, and you're from your eating disorder, and I
want to tell you, like it is such a gift
what you don't see for the listeners, Like you're able
to show us in real time what it looks like
to change your mind and to grow and to choose
something that we don't have to keep choosing the same
patterns that we can heal all in real time. So
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I just want to give you some encouragement because you
know it's something that weighs heavy on you. You feel
like you may have caused damage or some things that
you wish you wouldn't have shared. But I think looking back,
it's so comforting to know we can't change our mind.
We don't have to be a product of the choices
that we need in the past. We can choose something
different for ourselves, and I think you're a huge example
of that, because in order to heal, we need self awareness,
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we need acknowledgement, and we need to change therefore from
those things that we have learned. So it's just something
to to just share with you. Thank you. I appreciate
that a lot. Okay, So I think one other question
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that I have, or maybe if we can do two more,
is I guess if you could write a letter or
give advice to your younger self, what would you say
and why. I think that I would tell myself to
not fear connection, and it probably would be just short
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and sweet in that way, like true emotional connection. And
I don't think that was modeled to me through my
dad or my mom, even though they were really amazing parents.
I think that they both had different things in their
life that caused them to kind of emotionally not connect.
And it kind of took me almost becoming a mom,
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and then also even some really honest friends sharing with
me how they felt. And you know, that's hard to
hear about yourself that you may not be connected or
or care. And I think that it takes work and
once you again you mentioned self awareness and it doesn't
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happen overnight. And I realized it too becoming a mom,
because I looked at how I wasn't really necting with
my adopted kids. I mean, whether I had biological or adopted,
it was gonna probably show up in this way manifest
and I was just able to talk. Luckily had therapists
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in my life and different friends that I've been able
to talk through it with, and even my sister and
just this last weekend, even with my aunt Lisa and Amanda,
and you know, at least so she confirmed. She's like, Amy,
I know you didn't get this from your mom. I
know that that's something you really truly needed. She's like,
but it's okay, Like you don't have to continue this,
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like they even my cousin, they both knew it, like
it just there wasn't this. It's hard to look back
and say now because I don't want it to be
like I'm talking bad about my mom, but I don't
think I truly knew it at the time. Unfortunately, took
till she passed away and then a lot of work
and growth on my part where I was like, oh,
and it's not to like pass the you know, blame
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to her by any means. I have to take responsibility.
But everybody has different life experiences that shape who they are,
and then it gives them, like you said, that filter
that we all have through different things that we can
take it through and then we just that's our filter,
and so I have to reframe that and try to
connect in my own ways and look for it and
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practice it, practice connection. It takes. I'm not gonna be
perfect out of the gate. Some people have been connecting
since they were little, and that's a gift that they have,
and they're really good at it. And you know, sometimes
I have to fight being jealous of those people because
I don't need to be like I have other things
that I know I'm good at, but this is obviously
something that's important. Connection is key to relationships in life,
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and that's what I would write to myself because that
had had I started the process of learning how to
truly connect at a younger age, i'd obviously be further along.
But I'm also okay knowing that I learned when I learned,
and I'm still, honestly still in the thick of earning it,
and that that's the cool part, right. I can see it,
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I can see it happening, and hopefully it'll life will
only get richer because of it, because of those connections
in my second half of my life. I mean, I'm
forty forty one now, and if you think that that
average life. The life expectancy is what's seventy eight and
a half years old. I think, so here I am
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halfway through life, so I got maybe forty more good
years to go, and I hope to really make some
true connections in those coming years. I think it's so
interesting that, like behind the microphone, you feel so comfortable
sharing and everything, and then when you're kind of in
real life, there's this disconnect. And I talk a lot
about it in therapy with my therapist about you want
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to get integrated. It's like a salt and pepper shaker
where the top is going one way and then the
bottom is going the opposite way. And it's if you
want to get in sync and fully integrated in this
acknowledgement that you're talking about from your past and kind
off again like you said nothing about your mom, but
it's like you're aware of that now you're taking responsibility
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of how that's manifested in your life, and you're choosing
to do better not only for your children and your
husband and your family and your friends, but for yourself too,
because ultimately you get to be part of those relationships,
You get to have that emotional intimacy, you get to
have that richer, more truer, and more beautiful experience with
the people that are around you too, And go to
your friends for having those hard conversations with you. I'm
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sure at the time it felt like they were upset
or mad at you, but I think it truly shows
how much they loved you and how much they do
love you. So think, yeah, I love that. Okay, So
when do you feel more like you're most like yourself?
Like I think we're all crazy all the time, Like
I think a lot of people that listen to this show,
at least me include like I feel again like very
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just like not integrated a lot of the time, like
crazy Grid screaming. My poor husband deals with my mess
all the time. But when do you feel most comfortable,
like most confident, selfish, shirt and at ease, like I
know right now, use that your cup is full. But
I feel like there's a little bit of a difference,
like when you feel most great in your skin and
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you're like, wow, today was a solid day or however
you want to take it. Yeah, just a reference back
to this weekend. It is different because I was It's
so funny you you asked that question because I sat
down on my aunt's sofa on Saturday morning at like
sixty five, with a cup of coffee with them, and
I instantly had We were drinking out a little mugs
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that we call the Judy mugs because that was my
mom's name, and she loved a little dainty, thin, flowery mugs,
and she gifted my aunt some, so that's what we
were using. So obviously there was some emotion there. And
then knowing that what my aunt is facing and what
my cousin is going through, I was met with emotion
and almost started crying. But then this piece just came
(26:52):
over me and I looked at them and I said, y'all,
this is the most comfortable I have been in a
long time. But I don't think it leans to the
question of like when I'm a most confident. So I
see where you're saying. It's different the type of answer
you're looking for, But I'll just kind of give a
little double answer of like, sometimes you need to reset
find your people that know you and love you no
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matter what. Which, again, these are people from when I
was born, and they know the achiness of my family.
They know a lot of acheness with me, they know
they've they've experienced life and they can just sit with
you and you can sit with them in the in
the hard stuff. And when that peace came over me,
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that's what it was. It was like I have had
a very crazy, you know year for sure, it probably
started late where things were out of control and I
probably haven't felt that comfortable, like I don't know sitting
down on her couch like it was just yes, this
piece and when it comes to just data, a like
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feeling my best, I probably have a few more answers
to this. I love doing what I do and hosting
in different things. So if we have an event where
maybe I'm on stage or we've done something really cool
at work, like the energy that I feel from that
is confidence, like I'm gonna go out there, I'm gonna
do my best, hopefully nail it. Um. I tend to
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walk away from those things energized and motivated and yes, confident,
and I love that my job has given me those
types of opportunities because it's not lost on me that
some people are not energized by the work they get
to do. So I'm thankful for that, but that I
like want to cling to that confidence sometimes because I
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don't always have it, but I'm like, whatever this is
that I'm feeling right now, bottle it up, and I
need to splash it on myself every day because this
is what I'm supposed to be doing. Like this is
fun for me, it's my jam. So there's that. But
then I'm also you'll find me most days in leggings,
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minimal makeup, maybe some sunscreen my hair and a ponytail
and like a sweatshirt and on a walk like soaking
up the vitamin D having that time, whether it's alone
or with friends. I feel so good after something like that.
That's actually another thing we did in Austin that filled
my cup up. We went to Town Lake. Hi can
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bike now it's Ladybird Lake all the the new people
call it that, but I mean I went to Austin
High which is right on Town Lake. And the memories
on that trail run deep. They are no jokes, yes,
and we were working it, but something about for me
being outside with nature, and I guess that also makes
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me think of Colorado, which is where my sister is,
and that's one of my favorite places ever. If I
could just move somewhere, even though the snow is hard,
which people that live where there's a snow, they're probably
listening right now, like yeah, yeah, yeah, but you get
through it. It's just a season, and it's worth it
because summer there is amazing. So I would move to
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Pagosa Springs and be outdoors and I would ski and
I would hike in the summer, and I would work
at my sister's coffee shop and I would be relaxed
and confident and calm doing that kind of stuff too,
and again with my sister, like she also is someone
that makes me feel more confident. There's something about our
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bond that I really appreciate, and I have learned to
appreciate the older we've gotten. But I was always the
annoying little sister, so she she finally got on board
with our connection later too, after I stopped being annoying.
But I think going through the loss of both of
our parents together has created even more of a bond.
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And I feel that even with my half brother and
half sister, even though I'm not as close to them,
I am like I don't care what they need. They
pick up the phone, they call they need it, like
I'm there. So I know not everybody has sibling relationships
like that, So that in this moment is allowing me
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to be super super thankful for those relationships that make
me more confident because they're part of me. They make
me up there who I am, they help me be
who I am. They're my family. And how interesting that
all of these things come back to connection, Like all
of it comes back to connection. You're talking about sitting
on the couch with your aunt and with your cousin,
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and that's like a way, a place where you can
be without a mask, right, you can be your true self.
They know you from before to the middle to now.
And then you're talking about work when you're in flow
and you're feeling creative, and then when you're in nature.
I don't know, all of those things just remind me
of being connected and feeling like just grounded, grounded in
yourself and grounded with those around you. So I think
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it's really important, I don't know, for people to just
think about that and think about when they feel the best,
who they feel the best around, why do they feel
good or why do they feel comfort, at ease, at peace, confident,
and try to create more of those experiences in their life.
I think is something that we all kind of want
because maybe it's not necessarily happiness that we're chasing. I
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don't think that, because we're not meant to be happy
all the time. But I think we're meant to feel comfortable,
like comfortable in our bodies, comfortable with our emotions, comfortable
in our experiences. I don't know. I think you talked
about that in so many different ways of your life,
and even with your sister. I don't know. That's so relatable.
My sister is the same, she's my big sister, three
years above me. And when I called her to say
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that I was going to do this, like I wish
I could bottle up her reaction and like keep it
for her. I wish I would have recorded it because
I didn't expect how she was going to reaction. Reacted
like crazier than I did, and she was like, oh
my god. She was like, I almost thought I was
gonna have to think because I thought you were going
to say something about someone that I had no clue.
She's like, but you, this is so huge for you,
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so finding those bottling them up, getting those feelings, and
trying to recreate them as much as you can. As
I think how we can a little more comfortable life. Yeah,
I think maybe you mentioned something about someone making you
feel warm on Tuesday's episode. This last Tuesday's fifth thing,
Cat and I talk about being warm. We talk about
that exactly and having that warm feeling with people and
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who makes you feel warm and not everybody's gonna and
unfortunately I'm gonna not make some people feel warm, and
I have to accept that. I mean, it doesn't mean
I intentionally go out and I'm like, who carols, I'll
just do whatever I want by any means. But that's
a hard thing for some of us to accept. And
that's what I've been working through is it's okay, it's okay.
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It doesn't mean either person necessarily did awful things by
any means. There just might not be like a warm,
safe connection. We also broke down like being warm or
feeling warm, like literally like in your pants. We talk
about how like if you laugh too much you might
be or like if you might just or maybe even not,
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like you just have to go to the bathroom so
bad and you don't make it, which hello, that's another thing,
like welcome to be Corty. I haven't even had kids yet,
but we we had a little theme in the episode
of being a warmness. I feeling, Hey, there's so much
comfort and being warm so I love that this is
so wonderful that you are able to do with us
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and a way for you to not only connect with everybody,
but I think it just shows um that you do
desire that, as you do desire to be connected with
your community. I don't know, I think that that's those
are really my big four questions that I have. I
don't really know if you have any questions for me.
I would love to hear four things that you're thankful
(34:49):
for if you'd like to share that. Yeah, I would
love to share that. I'm super thankful for this time. Um,
it's been so fun to get to know you and
to be able to do this again. I think there's
a lot of growth that comes behind things that it
guess feel scared and excited. So thankful for this time.
I'm thankful for spring break. I'm on spring break right
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now and any day yes, so good. I feel like
that feeling that you're talking about, like bottling up on
a Saturday before long break, that I have, like waking
up and knowing I'm about to embark on a long break.
That's something I love to hold onto and like bottle
up so good. So I'm thankful for spring break. I'm
thankful for my cup of coffee this morning. Every day,
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I'm thankful for a great cup of coffee. I'm thankful
for heating pads. It sounds so like tiny, but my
back has been horrible the last two days and I've
been just like sitting and resting with my heating pad
and it's just been a game changer. Awesome. I love that.
I don't think it's all or horrible. It's probably reminding
some people. Oh yeah, maybe I need to bust out
(35:54):
a heating pad. I actually have my mom's heating pad
from the seventies repart. We still use it, but to
be honest, I'm scared that one day it's just gonna
catch fire and like an electrical hazard, like a fire,
like something's gonna go wrong. But I can't seem to
part with it. And it's so special and yeah, of
course totally retro looking, but we might have to retire
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it soon. But you mentioned coffee, so I would love
to hear how you take your coffee. Oh so good. Okay,
So my sister got as a French press for Christmas,
and I've never had coffee that way delicious, so I've
been taking it that way. But I'm going to shamelessly
plug one of my friend's coffee shops, luss He's Coffee
um He and his wife. They moved from Buerflo, Rico
(36:40):
and they lived down in the Rado where I'm from originally,
and they started their own coffee shops. So I love
to roast their beans and then just put it in
my old school Mr Coffee and put my coffee with
a little bit of nut pods in their hanzelnut or
sweet cream, mix it on up and have my coffee.
That's what I like. I love it. I love hearing
the different ways because you never know, like if someone
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might be inspired to switch things up or try out
a new coffee. Bosses, how do you spell that? D
O S I S d O S I S And
what does that mean? It means like does so it's
like your daily dopes of caffeine. Their tagline is come
for coffee, Stay for friends. It's really cute. Oh I
love that. Well, thank you Jackie for coming on. This
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is your episode, So if is there anything else you
want to say before we say bye. No Um, I
guess if you want to quickly share four things you're
thankful for, I know you have your four things gratitude journal,
which is super cute. I don't have one yet, but
that's on one of my list for hopefully graduation to
get so well, I would love to send you one.
So I'm going to do that for graduation and for
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coming on and doing this, which we don't have that
many gratitude journals left. So um, Yes, shop squat dot
com and we have a thing going all right now.
We're trying to fundraise for the orphanage where my kids
are at. Like the day to day fees, there are
good or expenses. I guess I should say those are
being met, but we have some unexpected needs that came
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up regarding security, the well where they get water, and
the school that is there. So education, water, security three
very important things. And so that is something where if
you know you shop right now, all proceeds are going
to that. And that's the orphanage where my kids live.
That's where I first met them. It's one of the
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first places I ever went in poort of prints, and
I would visit there all the time. I'm heartbroken we
haven't been able to go back in years because of
security and it's not safe to go, which is why
the wall there and security there is so important that
kids can't really leave. So that's why the school being
there is important. And if you would like to help out, yeah,
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shop spat dot com and it's E S p W A.
And yeah, we do have Gratitude Journal if there's any
even left after kind of this fundraiser, but I'll be
sending you one, Jackie. And then you know, you mentioned
having a four thing zip pouch and we have four
things totes and we even we're playing around with shirts
that say Bobby Amy lunchbox Eddie. Any of those are
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the four things do you think? Yeah? I mean I
would wait again, like I hope probably wear something like that.
I think it's cute star necklace. Like, um, we have
a lot of different things and pimp and joy and
we're just really focused on trying to in this this weekend,
these few days to try to send as much love
and support their way as we possibly can. And so
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to answer your question about four things gratitude. For me,
I'm thankful for my daily harvest smoothie. I love their
smoothies and I opted for ginger and greens today, which
I add a scoop of Spirelina in it. So that's
why it's basically like turquoise but trying trying to get
that extra nutrients. I am thankful for you, Jackie. This
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opportunity to connect with listeners and me being able to
take the time to do this listener lead series is
super important to me. It's special, Like, I'm so thankful
that the idea came to me one day of where
I knew I kind of wanted to do an extra
thing like the walk thing, but I was like, what
does it look like? Or what's my content going to be?
And then I want to know more about you that
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are listening, and so being able to do this gives
me that opportunity and again just helps create community. So
it's ironic because we're strangers, even though we're not like
I like to think of us as a community, but
we're kind of strangers. And so this weird thing that
has been difficult to unpack, especially for people in my
life that have been close to me for all these years,
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or like I see you connecting with people that you
barely know, but like you don't even connect with me,
So work through that one in therapy. But with people
that I don't really know, I don't really have a
fear of them abandoning me or leaving me or not.
Can you know, there's already like there's a barrier. It's
a safe connection, like you and I are connecting right now,
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but it's safe like whereas and you know, this is
just the theory from the experts in my life, but
like that, other people that I have formed relationships with,
it's not as safe because there's care involved. There's feelings
like there's potential of getting too close and then getting
hurt or that person leaving and you know, we can
break that down and date it back to my dad
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leaving when I was a child and just protecting myself.
So that's just something I wanted to address when it
comes because we're talking about connection, how I want to
do this podcast, and I've wanted to connect with listeners
all along the sixteen years, like when I joined the show, Like,
but that was obviously something that was weird and hard
for people close to my life even when I started
the show, because I was that way, I wasn't connecting
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with people literally in my life, but I was connecting
with strangers that I never met. Does that make sense
to you? Yes? No, because I feel like even with this,
I told it very select you of people, not even
very many, because it's hard. It's hard again to put
yourself out there. You don't know what other people are
gonna think. You're not sure, and I think people that
are people pleasers worry a lot about the way that
they're being perceived and not so much about feeling safe
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and comfortable. And I think there's a lot of trust
that goes into real human relationships, something I'm working on
in therapy of myself. It's like trusting the people that
are saying you can trust me and I can hold
this and share space with you. So it's just it's hard.
It's not an easy thing. It's not an easy fix.
So just know that there's comfort in that. But this
is like a small way to do that, and the
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skills that you have here you can always then generalized outside.
That's hopefully the goal. Right. The more comfortable you feel
sharing space with strangers hopefully will lend itself to when
you share those that you care about and love and
get with your therapist for the third thing, thank you
for sharing that. But the for the third thing, I'll
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say my dog Carra. She's laying at my feet right now.
I love her to death. And uh. Then fourth thing,
but don't worry Maggie too. She's my cat. She's just
not in here right now. At fourth thing would be
my chiropractor has been a little bittor. Well, my friend
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Kara married a chiropractor. Okay, his name is Gary and
he well, they'll both come over. She likes to come
over and see the kids hang out and then he'll
set up. He'll even work on Stashira a little bit
at times, and Sashia was always like ah, but he
has been doing some numbers on my neck and back
lately that have felt like I dream about them, like
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the pop that whatever he's doing, the release that I'm feeling.
I've been like, oh, I wish I could have Geary.
Of course I can't. Haven't come over every day. I'm
also paying him and I have to be realistic. But
even though it's nice of him to come to the
house because he does work like in an office, so
I've was so thankful for him. I've gotten so much
relief the last week or two from him, and he
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even did some cupping on my back, so that part
was cool and felt fancy, and you could like see
the inflammation like rising to the skin because it was darker,
um wherever my body was inflamed. And I mean, it's
worth to try, he said. Some people get results with it,
some people don't, but it just depends. Some people think
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it's cuckoo, but he's like, look, I'm not into sometimes
there's like cuckoo things attached to the cupping. He's like,
but I'm about the science behind it. And to me,
like it's a percent fact that inflammation is coming to
the surface. So he's like, for me, that's that's a
good thing. So those are my four things. Thank you
for Thank you, Thank you so much again for spending
so much of your time with me. I'm sure you're
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super busy, um, but this was so great and I
feel so honored and humbled to be able to share
space with you. So thank you again. Thank you for
coming on. I know originally I'm trying to make these
about like thirty minutes. Here we are. I enjoyed our
chats so much, and you offered so much wisdom and insight,
and I think where you are in life and your
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education and your life experience. Thank you for sharing some
of that. Again, it was helpful. So that's what's going
to be cool about this series is seeing what the
listeners can also bring to the table for other listeners,
because you were vital to this conversation and I am
I'm thankful for the email. So yeah, four Things with
Amy Brown at gmail dot com is where y'all can
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send notes. And if you want to, just put listener
Q and A in the subject line or the walk
thing or whatever it is. And if you happen to
listen to this episode while you were walking, well then
you got in a really nice long walk in high
five to you for moving. But if you're listening to
this while you're laying down, hey, you've got a really
nice relaxing break, hopefully and hopefully, and if you're listening
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to this while you're you know, doing errands or whatnot,
hopefully you got a lot accomplished and you feel good
about that. And we were happy to be a part
of whatever you were doing. And Jackie, thank you so much. Again.
I keep saying thank you, but be on the lookout
for an email so that I can send you a
gratitude journal, just need your address. And why don't we
say bye to everybody, hy bye
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