FIRST THING: Do you struggle with perfectionism? Therapist and life-coach, Kim Anderson (kim_anderson_life) is back on to talk “Progress Instead of Perfection!” SECOND THING: Is your day running you? Or are you running your day? Amy shares a quote that motivated her to turn her day around and she also has a motivational tidbit from a 3-year-old that we all can learn from! Yes, a 3-year-old is wiser than us!!! THIRD THING: Amy sits down with Hunter Mobley (@enneagramhunter) again to talk more about the enneagram...specifically the wings of each number! No one is just their core number...we all have wings...and one of the two numbers adjacent to your core number is called your wing!! Hunter breaks this down and why it's helpful to know your wing! FOURTH THING: Cold showers are amazing for you (as covered in a previous episode)...but hot showers have benefits too!! If you have trouble sleeping or need to get rid of menstrual cramps or headaches...a simple hot shower might do the trick?!!
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Cas up little food for yourself life. Oh it's pretty Bay,
It's pretty beautiful things a little moth kicking with four
Welcome to another episode of four Things. I'm your host,
(00:36):
Amy Brown, and I've got you know, four interesting different
things coming up for you today. But I am fresh
back from a trip that I took with the family
out to California. We went to visit my friend Mary
and Bobby Bones, the host of my morning show, is
actually out there doing American Idol, so I got to
work from l A with him at the same time.
(00:57):
So it was sort of you know, work and some play,
which was awesome. But one thing that went down over
the weekend, which doesn't happen too often with me, is
I had a hamburger. I'm predominantly vegetarian, some days vegan,
some days not whatever. I just listened to my body,
but I don't eat meat often at all. But sometimes
(01:18):
I'm just craving a burger. I really wasn't craving it
in this circumstance, but my daughter Sashira really wanted in
and out burger. Last time she was in California. Mary
took her there and she loved it, So I mean
she wanted to go there, and it's sort of like
not missing out on those family moments, Like I think
old me would have been too concerned about that. And
(01:39):
then like I'm not, I'm not, We're not going to
go to In and Out Burger, Like we're just not
going to do that. But knew me, which I don't
know how long I've been this new me, but I've
been way more chill about food, especially with my kids.
And you know, sometimes an experience like that is a memory.
Like my daughter, she ordered two hamburgers. We sat outside,
it was a gorgeous day. She ate them both. She
finished the rest of Stevenson's Hamburger. So yeah, home girl
(02:03):
really likes those burgers In and Out. If you are,
you know, worried about a young girl named Stashiro liking
your burgers, are not out here in Nashville where you
all don't even have a location yet, Um, you have
a customer in us, because if you were to open
a store in Nashville, she would be there like every
single day. So anyway, I decided to be a cool
(02:24):
mom and my husband, Mary, the kids, we all loaded up.
We drove to In and Out Burger, and I didn't
want to miss out on this memory with my family,
So instead of like just sitting there while they hamburgers,
I ordered my own hamburger and fries and I ate
it and it was so good. I will say probably
my favorite part was the bun, Like that there buns
(02:45):
are amazing and it was like toasted with butter, and
it's probably like the amazing gluten because also I'm predominantly
gluten free, so it's all about the gluten and the
meat that day, and it tasted so good. So evidently
I missed out because I didn't get an animal style.
I didn't know that that's what I should have done.
But next time I go back, I will get it
(03:06):
animal style. I put a picture up on Instagram, and
I didn't realize how passionate people were about hamburgers and
especially in and out burgers and exactly how you're supposed
to order them. But my whole point in telling this
story is a couple of things. Um I wanted to
give my official review of in an Outburger, which was
really good and I liked it, but also just encouraging
(03:29):
you not to miss out on life's little moments because
you're trying to be rigid with something else in your
life like I used to be, so probably a hand
like a couple of years ago, I would have been
too rigid with my diet to let myself enjoy a
moment like that with my family. Which it wasn't like
some crazy moment where it's just like this memory will
(03:50):
never forget. But I mean it was a good, solid
twenty minutes of us sitting around a table outside and
everyone having a burger, and we were like doing cheers
and you know, taking videos and boomerangs and it was
just it was just fun. And another thing I'll say,
I did post that up on my Instagram page which
is at radio Amy, but I was wearing our new
dog mom hoodie in there, which I got a lot
(04:12):
of comments about that too, a lot of comments about
Hamburgers the best in town. Even if people didn't like
in and out, they were like trying to tell me,
why did you eat there? You should eat what a
burger in Texas? Well, I know, I love what a burger,
but I wasn't in Texas. I was in California where
they where they have in and out burger, So I
wasn't trying to start a burger war. But there was
(04:33):
also a lot of questions about my hoodie and what
that was. And it is something that's awesome and new
and we're super pumped about and Mary and I started
making them and we're obsessed because they have a pall
print on the sleeve, which is like a distinct way
to know that it's ours since sometimes people ripped up off,
rip stuff off, excuse me. And the dog mom stuff
(04:53):
is supporting a dog shelter place here, rescue place here
in Nashville called Proverbs twelve ten and my friend Abby
and Dan Dan work is from Dan and Shape, but
they both work with this rescue group a lot, and
in fact, they just rescued their fourth dog, So shout
(05:13):
out Dan and Abbey. Uh, they're pretty awesome. But anyway,
if you happen to be a dog mom, I know
we had the cool mom stuff and that's what inspired
us to do the dog mom is because there's a
lot of you that were like, well, I'm not a
mom to a kid, but I have a dog and
I would love a dog mom. So ask and you
shall receive. Dog mom stuff is up if you want
to check it out. It's at the shot forward dot
(05:35):
com and um So all that said, make sure you
don't miss out on life's little moments. It may include
you eating a burger which you don't normally ever eat,
but it'll be a lot of fun and your body
will be fine. Like my body didn't freak out. I mean,
I get if you don't eat a lot of meat
and then you eat meat, your body might freak out.
But I didn't have an issue with that. But I mean,
I guess what I'm saying is what a fear of
(05:56):
mine in the past would have been, is, oh my gosh,
I ate gluten and a hamburger. I need to go
work out or um, you know, I'm going to gain weight.
And there wasn't any of that. Didn't have any guilt.
I was just in the moment and it was amazing
and it was good family time. And I encourage you
to make sure that you're doing little moments like that
with your family. And let's see, what are we going
to talk about today. I've got Kim Anderson on. She's
(06:18):
talking about perfectionism. So I don't really struggle with perfectionism
per se. I mean, I have certain things where I mean,
I want it to be just right, but I'm not
like someone that every single thing has to be so perfect.
And Kim was on last week talking about the power
of saying no and creating boundaries. So now she's going
(06:40):
to talk perfectionism. And she's a licensed therapist, a certified
life coach, um, she's a speaker. It's pretty cool. She
does have a book coming out that you can pre order.
It's called Unstuck and that's it Kim Anderson dot life
if you want to check that out. And then her
podcast is called Coming Unglued and that's coming on glued
dot org if you're interested in that as well. So, uh,
(07:02):
we we're going to talk about like progress instead of perfection,
so how we can all take little steps because although
I'm not a perfectionist per se, I do have areas
where I probably to put too much pressure on myself
and I could probably focus on progress instead of perfection.
Then also, I've got a little inspirational quote for you
(07:23):
all that I saw on Twitter that helped change my
day and where my day was headed. So I was like,
I definitely need to share this because there's definitely someone
else out there that needs to hear it. And then
any A Graham Hunter is back hunter Mobili, and I
was going to have Eddie on. I think I'd even
teased that in the Q and A episode on Tuesday,
because I was supposed to sit down with him and
(07:45):
talk about how he's a foster parent. We're gonna talk
foster care because Eddie and his wife they just took
in two little boys and added to their families. Now
he's got four kids, and some of you were curious
like how they decided to foster and what that process
looked like. So I thought i'd bring him on to
talk about it. Well, we were supposed to record it,
(08:07):
and Eddie's I like got swollen shut like I don't
I don't still don't really know the exact result, but
the doctor was saying maybe it was allergies, but he
kind of looked like Will Smith on Hitch whereas eyes
just like really puffy and swollen and I don't even know.
So I had to um call an audible and put
(08:27):
in an interview that I have with Hunter Mobli. He's awesome.
He ended up coming up here and we recorded a
few things for the coming weeks. So we're gonna talk
a little bit about the indiogram. He's come on previous
episodes before this time, we'll talk about the wings, which
you know, the intagram is just a personality tool, but
all of us, you've got your core number and you
have wings. Um that also a part of your number.
(08:50):
So we're gonna talk about that, and then the benefits
of hot showers. We've talked about the benefits of taking
a cold shower, but there I'm not saying like, Okay,
I think some of you are like, oh wow, I
only need to be taking freezing cold showers, but no,
all kinds of showers are healthy. But really a hot
shower could be a remedy to um trouble sleeping or
(09:10):
getting rid of minstrel cramps or headaches and stuff like that.
So we'll go over when maybe the right time to
take a hot shower because your body could really benefit
from it. So that is what we're going to talk about.
Definitely just rambled for eight minutes. If you're still with me, helpfully,
hopefully you'll enjoy today's episode and what is to come first. Man,
(09:33):
So I've got Kim Anderson back and she was on
last week's episode talking about the power of no and
told her she's gonna be back for a series of stuff.
So if you miss that one, definitely go back and
check out the podcast from last Thursday and today we're
going to talk about perfectionism. Is that I mean, I
I personally don't struggle with being a perfectionist or perfection so,
(09:56):
but I know so many people do. Again, I know
I talked about my sister in the last when being
a yes person, but she's also struggles with perfectionism in
certain areas, not in all I would say a lot
of times too. It's not even necessarily like perfectionism, Like
with what she has going on, she just everything she
puts out there she wants people to think is perfect.
(10:17):
Right then so long, you know, she definitely had me fooled,
like I thought. I mean, she's the type of person
where if she if her she measured her couch and
her curtains from the wall like and made sure it
was like even on each side, Like I eyeball, I'm like, okay,
it looks good. But like if if if someone would
open her clothes or curtains and it would mess up
(10:37):
wherever it would you know, if she opened her back up,
she would make sure it measured right in the right
spot before she walked away. Like there's a right way
and a wrong way to do. But then she also
everything is about um with sister. If you're living listening
to this, like I love you. I'm just using you
as an example because that's one time I think I
texted her like I'm going crazy and she replied back,
(10:58):
she goes, you're going crazy. She's did you just measure
your measure your curtains from the couch to make sure
they were back in the same position. And I was like,
oh no, who would do that. That's that's psychotic And
She's like, that's what I just did, and I'm like, okay,
So but we are different in ways where sometimes I
wish some of them she would take some of that
and like apply that taking time for herself. I guess
(11:20):
it's what other people think or what other people need
and saying yes to them. And she got four kids,
and sometimes I'm like, go, have you gotten if you've
gone to do anything for yourself? So self care, which
I think is something huge that we're about on this podcast.
But I don't know what that has to do with
necessarily being a perfectionist, but I guess she's I feel
like she's so busy on other things that she doesn't
(11:42):
take time for herself. So, um, what is the deal
with perfection and people that struggle with that being a
major a major issue? Yeah, like a stumbling block. Well,
and perfectionism canna look different for everybody, right and we um,
there are people like at like our daughter Kyla is.
You know, she came out of the roomb extremely organized.
(12:04):
She sorted her socks, she had the books on her
shelf stack just right, like everything from day one. I'm exaggerating,
but um, but for her, it's the way she likes
to live life. She likes to be organized. And maybe
it sounds like it's that for your sister a little bit.
But what we want to look for and notices when
perfectionism becomes an idol, because when it becomes an idol,
(12:25):
it keeps us stuck and it keeps us from living freely,
from living our best lives, um, from stepping out and
taking risks and really having opportunities to grow. Right. Okay,
So I just thought of another example for my sister
about how we're different. But I'm trying to think like
there's none of me, there's no part of me. I
feel like that's her. Perfectionists um. Like Christmas presents, she
(12:47):
wraps them all matching and perfectly, like it's it's impressive.
I almost have like envy when I go to her
house and her tree and everything, and my tree is
a hot mess. My Christmas tree still up by the
way it's made, like yeah, confession, and I'm like barely.
I'm like wrapping stuff. It doesn't really match. There's no theme.
(13:10):
It's wrapped horribly. And that's okay, I know, but that
makes me, it makes me feel like, yeah, so maybe
we need to do another thing later after on comparison.
We'll cover comparison next time you come on. Because I'm like, oh,
because I'm not the perfectionist right now, I'm like thinking
of all the things my sister does perfect and organized
and so like that, I'm like, why didn't I get
(13:31):
that gene? Yeah, but it's okay because you're made to
be you, right, And so we don't want to compare
to her. And then the question becomes is it working
for you and is it working for her? And so
if it's working for her, that's great, but again, if
it stops her from achieving goal she wants or um
and so that's what can happen sometimes with perfectionists, right, Well,
what happens with perfectionism is we start to look for
(13:56):
love um in our performances, right, so like like we
can associate love being conditional upon maybe the grades we
got growing up, the college that we went to, the
job that we got, Um, are you know a high
school right now? Going through a CT scores, those types
of things. And so if we're looking if our perfection
(14:19):
is keeping us in bondage because we're able to look
and go, look, we made the mark, um, we're always
going to fall short, right because the bar can always
move and as perfectionists, no, the bar moves, right. So
you okay, you get that perfect score on your A
C T. Well, that's great, but it wasn't quite So
you get a thirty five. I got a thirty five
on my A C T. Well that's amazing, but it
(14:41):
wasn't enough. I could have gotten a thirty six, right,
that's where it sat. Whereas I would be like, whoa,
you got a five, celebrator right, Like that's a number
I never saw in my life. Absolutely, and so you know,
we just we want to be aware of it because
you know, perfectionism really gets in the way of our
confidence and it gets in the way. It causes anxiety. Right,
(15:05):
So perfectionism leads to anxiety. And again I'm talking about
toxic perfectionism. There are a lot of perfectionists out there
right now that would be going. Well. It works for
me and my life is running smoothly, and I've got
my grocery list made out and i know what I'll
to shop in every time I go. Um, and that's great.
We're talking about toxic perfectionism. Okay, Well, so there, I
would like to uh say something to my sister. Yes, Christie,
(15:28):
I do not. I don't think you're toxic. No, No,
now that I'm hearing this, I think she's just a
perfectionist in certain areas, but not toxic. But I feel
like it must be a pretty heavy weight on someone's
shoulders if they are lifting living with toxic perfectionism. Right, Well,
they come in to my office with anxiety or compression
and they can't figure out why. Yeah, it's because they've
(15:50):
kept themselves in this prison, this mindset prison of perfection,
and they can never quite get there. Yeah, nothing's ever
quite enough. And so what do you say to someone
that is coming to with that nothing, ever, is enough mentality. Yeah,
so I say to them, you know, let's reset the mindset.
(16:12):
And you know you've got a thirty five on your
A C t um Is that not enough? Right? We've
got to look through truth and evidence to figure out
what is getting in the way of um meeting and
being proud of where you are, right, Like, why can't
you see that a thirty five is amazing? Right? Right?
(16:33):
And a lot of times it's just embracing and it's
really looking failure in the face, because when we're perfectionistic,
it's because we are trying so hard to not feel
the pain of failure, and failures part of life, right,
Falling is part of life. When we teach our kids
to ride bikes, they fall, we're there, we help them
get back up, and then they learn it's okay to fall.
(16:55):
I can do this. And so instead of walking this
tight rope of perfect shin where they're just saying, okay,
I just need to be right on this line and
if I tilt to the right or to the left,
then something's wrong with me. I've messed up, I'm a mistake.
I'm going to sit in shame. Instead, they're able to
get off that tight rope and be free. Right, So
(17:16):
you would also you'd get my sister to a place
where she wouldn't feel like she had to measure the
curtains every time, because like, really, who's if you're resetting
her mindset? Like, yes, why is it important for the
curtains to be two inches from the couch? And we
do a lot of digging and digging and digging, right,
because that's coming from somewhere, It's coming from a voice
(17:36):
or a lie in the past. It's said in order,
And I'm not putting this on your sister, I'm just
saying in general, Right, if someone she's fine. If someone
comes in with that mindset they're really trying to hold
on now to not feeling that feeling that they felt back,
then does that make sense. Yeah, I would think my
(17:56):
sisters maybe came and this is I'm not speaking for her,
And I don't know why I didn't have this, but
I think it was the age in which my dad left.
Like I was younger, so certain things didn't My brain
wasn't fully there um, and I also didn't really understand
exactly what's happening. I was about eight, where she was
like almost twelve. Thirteen like a teenager. So then she
(18:18):
was kind of like, Okay, I'm going to do try
to be perfect so that they'll want to come home.
And I didn't remember having that as a kid, because
again I was younger, but she I feel like maybe
that could have played a role, because she's like, Okay,
well if I do little things, then maybe, right, maybe
I won't feel this pain, this pain of rejection, this
(18:39):
pain of hurt, this pain of longing, and then it
eventually just starts to seep into other things like curtains
and couches and cute Christmas tree wrapping paper. Absolutely just
getting Cristy. That part I'm just really jealous of. Really
I want people to come over with my house at
Christmas time to send you some cute matching wrapping paper
this year for Christma. I know, I'm like, oh gosh,
So then you know what's next after that after resetting
(19:02):
the mindset and and try which I think sometimes it's
just really stepping back and asking yourself like why, yeah,
it is it's this deep y and in all honesty,
I joke, um, I've given myself a non clinical diagnosis
of r m D and that I've I've diagnosed at
relationship management disorder. So it's not in the d s M,
(19:22):
which is our clinical diagnostic book, um, but it is
evidenced in my desire my whole life to manage relationships,
and so perfection shows up for me. I'm like you
like I do not. I mean, if anybody comes over
to my house there are things stuffed in the closets,
don't open them. Um. I actually still have Christmas stuff
up in my bonus room that haven't put away. Um.
(19:46):
But if I've put my foot in my mouth, if
i have um, accidentally offended somebody, that's where my perfectionism
kicks in and I will lose sleep literally until I
have resolved it. And so again, if I was to
self reflect, it's like why you know, um, what's going
on underneath? It keeps me feeling like I've got to
(20:07):
manage other people's feelings and so we just have to
do the work right. But if it's showing up in
this perfectionistic way of um, of kind of running our
lives inefficiently and ineffectively, it's time. It's time to just
stop and look at you know what cost is perfectionism
(20:28):
serving me? Is it getting me where I need to
go and guess a lot of times perfection perfectionists will say, yes,
it is at my wrapped Christmas presents that all match, right,
or look at my amazing career and look where I
am what all I'm able to do well? And some
of it goes back to personalities and temperaments. And if
you look at you know, people are familiar with the
(20:50):
Myers Briggs or the disc Um, the melancholy, the sea
on the disc all have those more perfectionistic temperaments. And
again we're created in different ways and that can be
a gift. Um. Imagine if you and I were running
the world, you know, we would still have Christmas trees
up all year around, probably a hot mess. But well,
(21:12):
I mean I'm speaking for myself, not for you, but yeah, yeah, no,
I think yeah. We are all created um in our
own unique way, which is hard for us to accept
them sometimes, but that's where we have the strengths and
the weaknesses and the yang and the yang and like
how we can make it all better because one person
has something to offer that the other doesn't and then
(21:35):
it makes a better team. Absolutely absolutely, So again, if
perfectionism is serving you, great, right, I need people like
that in my life. I'll probably hire you someday to
help run my world. But if it is leaving you
feeling anxious or depressed, then it's time to look at it, right.
And so we need to give up people pleasing and
(21:55):
worrying about what people think. That would be under my
relationship management diagnosis. I have that undermine for sure. I
worry again. Not a perfectionist, but I worry a lot
about what people think that. Yeah, Absolutely, when we can
stare it in the face, it loses its power, right,
And so um, that's something definitely to embrace. And then
just looking at failure and and and um accepting failure right,
(22:20):
because that's where our biggest lessons are. Our biggest life
lessons come from messing at Yeah. I think that it's
funny that so Bobby Bones, the host of my morning show,
is the one on the angiogram, and he's a perfectionist,
but he also just wrote a New York Times bestseller
called fail until You Don't and it is all about failing.
But I think that's something that he has, even in
(22:40):
his perfectionistic nothing is good enough ways, he has realized
that failure is necessary to learn right. It's where we
grow again. Think about babies that are learning to walk.
We don't just all of a sudden grow one day
and go, you know what, I'm just gonna walk. Right.
We learn because we fall, then we get back up
when we fall and we get back up. The research
(23:02):
shows that people who embrace grit, or who um are
willing to take those risks, are the ones who are
more successful in life holistically right. And so Carol dweck
Um wrote a wonderful book called Mindset, and she just
talks about this idea of not yet, right, so I
may not have reached my goal. Um, Instead of that
(23:25):
I'm not I'm a failure, right, which is what our
negative self talk might try to say. It's not yet,
I'm just not there yet. And it's so free, right,
It's so free to know there's still opportunities, there's still possibilities, um.
And so capturing our our self talk is imperative and
really just giving ourselves mercy because guess what, you get
(23:47):
to mess up and so do I. Right, you get
to be human and I get to be human. And
somehow I think it's social media, you know, I mean,
I don't know what it is, but we'll have to
touch on that when you come back to talk comparison. Yes, yes,
because it's like we're living in this world right now
where we look around and we feel like everybody's lives
are perfect and they're not right, and so um, just
(24:07):
accepting that we all get to be human and let's
focus on who we're becoming, not who we are or
the mistakes that we've made. I love it. Okay, Well,
when you mentioned I know, I mentioned Bobby's book and
then you mentioned the what was her book again? Just
Carold wet Carolt, mindset, mindset, Okay, So I just wanted
to make sure people got that in case they're curious
about it. And then you also have a book coming
(24:28):
up right Yes, I do, Okay out soon and you
can preorder copies on my website right now. But it's
um called Unstuck, letting go of the myths keeping you
from who you're created to be. I love that. And
then it's Kim Anderson dot life, so really easy website,
not dot com dot life dot Kim Anderson dot life. Well,
(24:48):
thank you for coming on again to talk perfectionism this week. Again.
Last week was the power of saying no. And then
why don't we do We'll do the We'll do comparison
coming up okay next week, since that kind of seems
the natural flow, but choosing to be on the next
several episodes. So thank you, Kim, and again you'll check
(25:09):
her out on Instagram. It's Kim Underscore Anderson Underscore Life.
So for this thing, I've got a motivational quote that
I saw on Twitter that I needed to see. The
moment I saw this on Twitter, I was like I
needed that. I needed it for my day because it
was a day that was just hectic and crazy, and
(25:31):
I was like, you know what, this is a good
simple quote that maybe someone listening to my podcast needs
to hear. So the quote said either run the day
or the day runs you. And it's from Jim Ron.
And honestly, I didn't know who Jim Ron was, so
I googled him and turns out he's like an entrepreneur,
an author, motivational speaker, mentor to Tony Robbins, so definitely
(25:55):
legit and knows what he's talking about. He's since passed away,
I think in two thousand and nine. But anyway, great quote,
because really you have to be in charge of the day,
You've got to make, you know, a plan of action
to make the day flow because time gets away from
us so quickly, so if we don't manage it, then
(26:16):
we're not going to be productive. And I especially have
to be on my game when it comes to this,
because I have so many distractions, and I'm a person
that is easily distracted. Oh for sure, some of that's
my A D D. Some of that's just like the
way that I've allowed myself to be. But I know
I can control it. And yeah, it's just a day
(26:36):
where I was just all over the place and my
day was running me. I was not running the day.
So I saw that quote and it helped me turn
it around. So either run the day or the day
runs you. So get in charge of it, get ahead
of it, wake up with a plan, stick to it.
You know, we're not gonna all have perfect days, but
hopefully that resonates with somebody listening right now. And then,
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when um, I saw this little quote out on Reese
Witherspoon's instagram, I thought, well, this is kind of motivational
speaker ish, and since Jim Ron's a motivational speaker, I
thought I would tie it into this. But It's something
that she put up actually a couple of weeks ago,
and I remembered seeing it, and when I thought about
doing this as a little segment, I went back and
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found it and here's what Reese had posted. And it
was actually a repost from Jen Dozera or Gen d Zera. Sorry,
I don't know how to say that person's name, but
j E N d z I U r A. If
you want to go follow her. But this is what
was on Reese Witherspoon's page. My three year old said
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she wanted to be an astronaut, and I said she
had to study hard, go to college, learn a lot
of science, and take a physical fitness test. And she
shrugged and said, that's just four things. So she's basically
a nonchalant motivational speaker. So sometimes we can, yeah, look
at things and it seems like a lot and so overwhelming.
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But from this cute little three year old, nonchalant motivational speaker,
it's like, don't it's all good. It's just four things.
Get it done. So, yeah, if you want to be
an astronaut, just get it done. Which I mean, I'm
not trying to be an astronaut up in here, I'm
just trying to like get through some of the days,
not nearly as hard as trying to be an astronaut.
But now I like that I want to have that
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three year old attitude, like, yeah, I have a full
day of stuff to do, but really, at the end
of the day, if I break it down, it's like,
no big deal, I can knock all this out. So
hopefully those two little things, um, you know, will help
you guys, with your day, your week, or whatever might
be going on in your life right now as you
listen to this, or maybe this will be something that
you know, keep in your pocket and pull out later
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if you need it. But I'll end again with Jim
Ron's quote, either run the day or the day runs
you boom. On last week's episode, I played or shared
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with everyone the Indiogram songs that kind of played one
in the background, but really, there's this group that wrote
a song for each number, and when people hear the number,
if it's their number, they're supposed to feel emotional. So
I'm excited to have Hunter Mobili back in he's at
Indiogram Hunter on Instagram, because I didn't know how he
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felt about these songs and he's my like Nashville go
to indiogram expert, and so now you're you're here. I didn't.
I didn't know for sure you're going to actually be
here in this episode. But it's perfect timing because now
I can ask you what you think about those songs.
I think they're so good. Sleeping at Last is the group,
and they really do speak to you. I think people
tell me all the time that they listened to the
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song associated with their number and that it moves them
in some way. Um, I've heard several two Is particularly
say it kind of moved them to just feel a
lot in tears. Even so, I think they're great. It's
a right entry point to the Instagram too. Well, okay, good.
I feel better about making that on the podcast, because
you know, when I'm making a thing, I also feel
like sometimes I have to say a disclaimer, like especially
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about the health stuff, or like I'm not a doctor,
I'm not a medical expert, like I'm just giving people things,
and I'm not an iniogram expert either. So I kind
of just threw that up there because I thought it
was I thought it was really interesting. So I'm glad
that it has the Hunter state. So and before we
came on and started recording, Hunter and I were actually
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talking about Reese Witherspoon because he I'm I'm like obsessed
with Reese witherspoone I know, and I follow her on Instagram.
I love all of her movies. In fact, in the
last thing before this, I pulled something from her Instagram
to quote. And anyway, Hunter and I were just talking
about it, and he was like, well, you know, I
think I know what numbers right. You know, of course
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you're not supposed to type anybody, but I would love
to have an Instagram conversation someday with Reese Witherspoon because
there was a new article that showed up a couple
of years ago that I just came across my news
feed and it said Reese Witherspoon feels fear in her
life every day. And I read the article and she
has some interesting language about how fear kind of sits
on her shoulder like a companion that she can almost
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have a conversation with, and that its present with her
all day. And I would love to just ask if
if she resonates with any Graham six because I find
in my teachings that a lot of six is described
fear in that personified way where they'll almost describe fear
as like a companion that sits with him, doesn't immobilize them,
but it's just kind of something that's always there that
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they learn intuitively to manage. And so I just I
think that's just great. I loved reading that, and just
one day hopefully maybe we can talk to Reese about
the I mean, it makes sense if she's a six.
I have some really awesome people in my life that
are six is right there. They hold the world together.
It's so funny when you start to really if you're
listening and you're new and you haven't listened to any
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of our previous episodes with Hunter and the angiogram, and
you're like, what the heck is the angiogram? Hunter, give
that quick short thing of what the inniagram is. The
inniagram is a personality tool that describes motivations and helps
you just figure out how to be a healthier version
of you. Film so it'll help you in relationships like
you know, your your home or at work or friendships whatever.
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But you know, when you start to dig into some
of the numbers and then you know you're not supposed
to pin people what they are, but then you talk
to me one and you're like, oh wow. Like I
told her friend the other day, I was like, I
think you might be an eight, and she got offended.
She's like, I'm not an eight. I'm not an eight.
Like I can't be an eight. But eights are like challengers,
and she was challenging me on calling her an So
I was like, I don't know, that's kind of you
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acted like an eight. So usually the best clue to
your iniagram type is the one that stings the most. Yeah, which, yeah,
I mean it does. You kind of have to. But
you can't take every single characteristic and apply it to yourself. No, no,
and and you can't just focus on the negatives. You
have to it's on the strengths that you can offer exactly.
There's no good or bad numbers, right, they all have
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blessings and curses. We've all got strengths and weaknesses. And
so when you hear the indiogram taught, if if your
listeners are reading a book about it or listening to
it taught, usually you're talking kind of middle of the road,
average space, and so you're going to hear your number
be taught with the middle of the road average behavior,
and you just got to know that there's ways of
being healthier than that, and there's ways of being less
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healthy than that. Right, And something that happens with people
in their numbers is there's wings. So you know you
you you have a number. Yes, you have a number
like Hunter, he's a two. So what what are what
are two? Is a wing? Yes? So so a wing
is the number just on either side of your number.
So I'm a two, which means that the wings are
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one and three, So it's just you know your three
and the wings are two and four. Um, So what
wings are is they give us a little bit of
information about why as a two, I might see a
lot of stuff that shows up in my personality that
looks like three stuff, or I might see a lot
of stuff that looks like one stuff. So what causes
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a person to dip into their wings? So the news
about wings are Wings are not something that you need
to worry about taking on or going and getting one
of your wings. They're just something that is you just
pay attention to wings. Wings just inform you as to
why your behavior looks a little bit sometimes like the
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behavior on either side of you. And here's here's most
the intagram wisdom says, in the first half of life,
you start life with one of your two wings, where
one of them is kind of dominant. It's kind of big.
You see you see maybe sometimes almost as much of
it showing up as your core number. But in the
second half of life, most intagram wisdom says, you add
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the second wing in and so that towards the end
of life you're kind of more balanced. You're sort of
have access to your core number, and then you've see
something owing up from the numbers on either side of you,
and so you know, the first half of life. Second
half of life is usually not about age. Most of
the time it's about trauma and kind of just what
life experiences have sort of woken us up to. Transformation
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and awareness of pain and all that. But so what
I always say with wings is, don't worry about going
and getting a wing. If I'm a two, I don't
need to say, well, I'm working on my three wing
or I'm working on my one wing. You just let
wings inform you so that you kind of know what's
going on. When I when I'm a two and I
see some one stuff show up or I see some
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three given example, since your will you're very in tune
with your number and yourself, like as a two, yes,
something that's a characteristic of that. And then when you
know a three characteristic is popped up in a one,
can you give an example of that totally? So when
my three wing is kind of the biggest wing for me.
So I'm a two. So sometimes you'll hear people say
I'm a two with a three wing. That's how I
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would identify two with a three wing. And what that
means for me is I'm to them all about relationships.
I'm all about kind of that present moment. You know,
what's going on, what's in front of me, what do
I need to respond to. But my three wing is
what helps me plan, it's what helps me perform, it's
what helps me teach, It's what helps me kind of
push myself out onto the stage to be more of
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a public person. Without the three wing, as a two,
I might be a little bit more private, I might
be a little bit more just kind of one on
one relationship oriented and less oriented to perform or teach
on a bigger platform. Um the one wing for twos,
you know, ones are really organized. Ones are a little
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bit more black and white oriented than twos are. You know,
two's kind of hold space for a lot of different
types of people, and they twos don't have very good
boundaries and they're kind of like, I love you, if
you'll just love me, I'll do anything for you with
the one wing. Two's can be a little bit more
boundaried and two's can kind of have a little bit
more this is good, this is bad kind of black
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and white thinking. So um, that's kind of still knows
what a one wing will look like in a two
or three wing will look look in at two. I
just wanted like an example so people could hear how
the traits are different. So I mean because when I tested,
which I did the written or the online test, not written,
but you know the survey online, and I was like
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a four, but then also a three. And but then
when I talked it out with you, we determined I
was a three. So I could be a three. Right,
you might have a big example, but then some of
the two. And you know, my friend Kelly at Velvet's Edge,
which she's come on the podcast for like uh fashion
and beauty stuff, and she's a good friend of mine, like,
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she's definitely a two, but I can now that you're
describing the three and the one. I can see that
in her too, right, you see. So it's kind of
another reason why you can say when you identifies your
core number, I'm a two year three. When you identifies that,
it's another reason to make of why you also some
moments see maybe a lot of four or maybe a
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lot of two, or I might see kind of a
lot of one showing up or a lot of three
doesn't mean number so bad hunter. You know, I'm struggling
with is under three? Under three? It's like narcissist falls
under three. That is really hard to read when you're
like are you because nobody wants to be I mean,
I don't know, do I have narcissis tendency tendencies? And
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you start questioning everything that you're doing, and like, well,
co dependent falls under two. So we've all got kind
of a lot. I would rather be codependent than a narcissist.
I mean, let's be honest, that might be the worst
thing on the Yes, it's under traits that one stings.
So that's why I'm like also quick to say, you know,
not every not every characteristics. And but but then they
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say about narcissists, is they don't the narcissists, not that
you're an expert in narcissism, but do they know that
they're narcissists? Yeah, so so usually now you know that
one of the hallmarks of narcissism is usually you don't know,
and usually there's kind of a lack of empathy. So
that I feel I'm a feeler. That's so weird because
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aren't threes feelers? Feelers? But the interesting thing about three,
so threes are I feel a lot. Threes are feeling
dominant and they're feeling repressed. So this is a whole
another thing. We'll do what they aimy what we're about thinking,
feeling and doing. But what it means for threes is
it's like threes taken the world through feeling, but as
soon as they take it in, they put that feeling
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away in a drawer. We call feelings to be dealt
with later, because feelings can slow us down from meeting goals,
from moving forward, from getting our day done. And so
three is just kind of intuitively learned that feelings can
slow you down, Feelings can get you off track from
the other stuff you gotta do. So feelings are intuitive
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to threes. You feel it, but then threes don't usually
give themselves the space to just sit with the feeling
and let the feeling have its effect on you. Three.
I think I'm at three that like, let's the feeling
affect me well and that you know, and then it
messes with me the whole rest of my day or
week or whatever. That's our goal, you know, our goal.
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Of coursees have become really healthy in our numbers. So
when we when we say things like, you know, threes
kind of put feelings away when we when we walk
towards transformation as threes, threes do sit with the feeling.
But honestly, that's something I've had to work on too,
because um, and I felt like I always got this
from my dad, but maybe it was just something else.
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But he was someone that always put stuff under the rug,
and we mean heeds like totally classic, like just brush
it in the rug, deal with it later, act like
it's not there. So from that, I think I learned
how to put stuff. I call it like putting it
in my back pocket, like deal with it later. So
maybe that is so at and it sounds like you've
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in totally learned how to kind of because I didn't
want to be like him. I didn't want to so
I've I try to address some of it, um so,
and then with that problem, I mean, that's the problem.
Later may not later may not ever come. And I
really believe that you really have to grieve in real time,
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that grieving late um doesn't ever actually move you through
the whole grieving process. If you don't grieve it in
real time, you really can't come back and pick that
up later. So I think I think that's what all
of our spirits, all of us, especially as two threes
and four's that are in the feeling grouping, we kind
of intuitively no feelings. We intially learned to manage feelings,
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and we've got to learn how to make sure we're
feeling in real time. Right, Okay, Well, thank you Hunter
for coming on to talk about how there's numbers, but
there's also wings. So if people are still trying to
figure that out, there's another layer which is going to
come back on to talk some more stuff too. And
if you'll ever have questions or topics, just Sendleman to
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the Q and A segment and I can reach out
to Hunter and hopefully get a solid educated answer from
like someone that actually knows what they're talking about. And uh,
where can people find you if they want to learn
more about the instagram from you? People can find me
on Facebook and Instagram at Intagram Hunter, and you'll notice
on both of those events. I have several events coming
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up in Middle Tennessee and across the country throughout the year.
So you can interact with me on Facebook and Instagram. Perfect.
Love it. Well, thank you Hunter, thank you. Okay, we're
going to do a quick little thing about hot showers
because we did an episode on taking cold showers and
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I think a lot of you are like, oh, shoot,
am I supposed to just be showering on freezing cold
all the time. Well, no, you can incorporate hot showers
and feel really really good about it, because sometimes just
need that hot shower. And I really feel, like, you know,
when I've got a lot of like tension and my shoulders,
like nothing feels better than like standing under a hot
shower and just having the hot water fall on my
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neck and shoulder area and then I kind of even
like will rub that area of my neck or my
shoulders while the hot water is there, and I kind
of get out of the shower feeling like a new person.
I don't know if it's like a time marches on moment,
but I just feel stiff all the time, and the
hot shower just loosens me right up. So in a
cold shower, like you kind of shock your system and
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you get out and kind of like amped, I'm ready
to go. I mean that's what I used to help
wake me up. But like, let's say you've got a
lot of stress happening, well, hot showers again, since you're
reducing like tension in your muscles, it will help relax
your entire body, leaving you feeling calm and fresh. So
maybe after a long day, if you've got a lot
of stress, you could take a hot shower to wind down,
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or maybe even a hot bath, but we're talking showers.
We've done a whole another episode on baths and how
amazing they are for you, which, uh I forgot how
much I missed taking a bath. So we don't have
a bath in our master bathroom. My kids bathroom upstairs
is the only with the bathtub, and before we got
our two kids, I would just you know, sneak up
there because it was almost like I had an extra
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bathroom upstairs that nobody was in. But now that it's
their bathroom, I feel weird about doing that. I've done
it a couple of times, but it's it just doesn't
feel the same. It's not as relaxing with all their
kids stuff everywhere. But we stayed with Mary this last
weekend at her new house in California. She moved in,
and the guest room that my husband and I were
in had a bathtub, and I think we were there
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three nights, and two of the three nights I took
a hot bath before bed and it felt so amazing.
I actually told my husband I was like, Uh, if
we ever move, I feel like I'm going to have
to have a thing where our master bathroom has a
bath Like I feel like that's just going to be
something that I have on my list that I don't
want to compromise on because I felt so amazing when
I crawled in bed after my hot bath. So that's
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another thing that a hot shower can do if you
want to do it like an hour before you're going
to bed. It says the relaxation effect that hot water
has on the body will actually help you sleep. So
if you're trying to fight insomnia, boom, a hot shower
can help with that. Maybe you could even like in
a hot bath. I like, I like to do the
essential oil like lavender and ups and salt or whatever.
But you can even if you're taking a hot shower,
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you can still put some essential oils on your shower
floor and then it'll like you know, still be in
the steam and the shower with you even if you're
not taking a bath. So that might be something nice
to add to your hot shower. And then when it's
my time of the month and I've got really bad cramps, um,
I will be laying on my shower floor with the
water just beating down on my stomach and it helps
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me tremendously, Like it feels so good. And that's what
when I was doing some research boom right there, Hot
showers relieves menstrual cramps. Now, cold showers can actually increase
the intensity of cramps so f y I, but hot
showers they reduce them because the hot water again relaxes
your muscle. So it's definitely an efficient effective way to
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get some relief during you know, that time of the month.
And then fortunately I'm not someone that suffers from migraines,
but I have friends that do, and man, I just
feel you. But if you happen to be listening to
this and you deal with migraines and you haven't heard
how hot showers can help, well, it says here that
they can, and I know at that point you'll probably
do anything to find any sort of relief. I've had
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a migraine twice in my life, one time in college
and then once probably four or five years ago. Maybe
I know I was living in Nashville the time, but oh,
the one in college, I couldn't even handle. I mean,
that's just how powerful they are. And so I can't
even imagine being someone that has to live with them,
you know, daily, weekly, And again I do have friends
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that that have to do that, and it's just crazy.
So I'm sure you already know all the remedies or
ways to try to get your body to get rid
of the migraine. But it says here the hot shower
hours can relieve migraines by aiding in the expansion of
some blood vessels, ensuring proper blood flow. So there you go.
If you've got maybe you don't have a migraine, but
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you have a really bad headache and you're desperate to
do whatever, try taking a hot shower. I don't know,
not a doctor here, just giving you all little things
to incorporate into your life to hopefully make you feel better.
So whether it's a cold shower, hot shower, hot bath,
or maybe you know you don't really like being clean
all or taking any sort of shower. I was reading
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some article that was saying that we should encourage our
kids to like only bathe every couple of days, and
I was like, what, no, I mean, my kids bathe
every day, and if they have a lot going on,
sometimes like twice a day. And me, I'm the weirdo
that before I go to like a really sweaty workout class,
Like if I'm going to hot yoga and I know
I'm going to be sweating like crazy, I will take
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a shower before yoga, even if I showered that morning
and maybe I just went to work or whatever. I
just like going to a sweaty yoga class super clean.
That's sort of out of respect for the people around
me too. Which one time at hot yoga way back
in the day when I first started doing beak room
in Austin, Texas. There was this guy in front of me.
I have no idea if he took a shower before class.
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I'm gonna go with it. Maybe he didn't, because I
get not a lot of people are like me. They
probably don't shower before class. But it was so sweaty
in there. We were doing this one move where his
toe ended up sort of near my mat, like his
leg was in the air and his foot was hanging
over my mat and there was sweat dripping off his body. Well,
the last time I had taken a sip out of
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my water bottle, I didn't put the lid back on
because I don't know. Maybe I was trying to be fast.
I don't know what I was thinking, but I didn't
have the lid on, and sweat from this guy's toe
dripped perfectly right into my bottle bottled of water. So
I was not able to drink water the rest of
class because I can get over the fact that hist
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from his foot dripped into my water bottle. So I
have no idea how we got on that story, but
I guess just taking showers and how many showers a day,
and what we do our hygiene level and even for
a hot class. Now I'm retracing how I got to
that story, But are you you feel me? See now,
now I know that I personally shower in case my
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sweat were to drip into somebody's water bottle, maybe they
wouldn't have to feel gross about drinking it. Maybe I
don't know. That was definitely a gross moment. So cold shower,
hot shower, whatever kind of shower you want to take,
just make sure you're showering. Little p s A here
not mistake boom. That is a wrap on today's episode.
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A big thank you to Kim Anderson for coming on
and Hunter Mobli love when my guests come on and
share some of their wisdom. Hope you'll enjoy that and
the other little tidbits from today's episode. Now is the
time where I do the email shout out, which this
one sort of has a question built into it. Sometimes
the shoutouts just like a quick email. But I thought
I would address this because I feel like some of
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you may be overwhelmed with information. UM like this email.
And I do have the Q and A segment that
I do on Tuesdays. It's the fifth thing, UM, so
I will this is sort of like a bonus thing too,
where I'm gonna be addressing a question and I don't have,
you know, the I don't think I have the best answer,
but I'm gonna try to answer this as best as
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I can. And this is an email I got from
someone also named Ami. Here you go, hey me. I
am forty three from New Jersey. I listened to the
Bobby Bones show. Love it listen when I travel to
Hong Kong. I'm a big fan of your podcast and
listen every week. Love the content and all the tips
from life to health, beauty, fitness. I started following many
of your ins to people, health, beauty and all the
(50:48):
things who are all amazing. But I also follow other trainers, foodies,
health minded people, and I have to say, as helpful
as all the information is, I feel overwhelmed at times, confused, conflict,
did and ultimately discouraged. It's so much information, L O L.
I'm on a mission to achieve a healthy way by
working out, finding great recipes for meal prep and overall wellness.
(51:11):
How do you manage all the content and information from
the people and influencers you follow? Thanks for all that
you do. PS. I tagged you and my dog mom
post on Instagram. I love my crop sweatshirt. I love
all the products from the shop forward, such quality products
for great causes. Keep up the great work, peace, love,
health and happiness. Amy, so Amy shout out. Thank you
(51:34):
for the email. And I think that you sort of
something stuck out in your email that helped me maybe
help answer this for you. But you said you're trying
to achieve a healthy way by working out, finding great
recipes for meal prep and overall wellness. So if there
are people that you're following that aren't like a workout
that works for you, or recipes that work for you
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and meal prep that works for your lifestyle um or
your overall wellness, go ahead and just stop following them,
like if it's something that's not achievable or attainable. Like
there's some people that I had to quit following on
Instagram because I in the health world, because their job
was too like they were moms and kind of like
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doing it all, but sometimes you don't really know what
all is going on behind the scenes and how much
help they had. But I started to feel overwhelmed and
discourage because I was like, I can't cook all these
healthy meals all the time, I have no idea how
it's happening, Like I can't create this. And although I
was getting some good information from this person, it ended
up being too much information and very stressful. And once
I unfollowed them, uh, it was a little bit easier
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to breathe because what she was creating was not attainable
for me health wise. But part of her job, and
I guess her role as an influencer on Instagram was
to cook off some meals all day long that were
really great for her and her body. And you know,
she could meal prep like a boss, and like I
just personally couldn't do that, and it was discouraging. So
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that would be one little tip for you is maybe
filter through some of the people that you've started to follow,
even if it's people I've suggested. I don't know what
works for me may not work for you. But what
you need to do is go go ahead and do
like a quick check and eliminate some of the people
that may be adding that pressure to you or that
confusion so that way you don't feel left conflicted and discouraged.
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Because here's the thing with confliction, like there's going to
be like I'll even have people on this podcast, they're
going to give you conflicting information because one person may
have experienced with X, Y and Z and their research
may show this, and then the next person may say no, no,
no, no no, no, my research shows this. But that that's
where I want to kind of give you all of
the information and you can maybe even try it out
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and see what works for you. Like I've done the
whole bulletproof coffee thing, and for a while I was
on that bandwagon, but the longer I was on it,
and I saw how my body was responding to that
lifestyle aile. It did not work for me. Now it
may work for somebody else. In fact, I know people
that it works for. So I'll still have that information
on this podcast so people can learn about the bulletproof
(54:10):
coffee recipe and like that lifestyle and what it's about.
But I will also say I tried it and it
does not work for me. And I found some of
that program to be very overwhelming and information overload. But
you can never have too much information. I don't think
it's the information that you're opposed to. It's just sometimes
maybe when the information doesn't all line up as the
(54:32):
same that it gets confusing. Because you're like, who do
I believe? Who? Who can I trust? What's going to
help get me to my healthy weight? And really, ultimately
it's going to be trying out different things and figuring
out what works best for you. And you don't want
to be stressed out about it, because stress will cause
you to hold on to some weight to or cause
you to eat more when especially if you're trying to
lose weight, if you're stressed out about how you're gonna
(54:54):
lose the weight, you might eat more and then it's
all counterproductive. So um, you know, I know I can't
really help exactly answer this question, but that is where
I would start. Amy is to start like maybe seeing
if you can eliminate some of the people that you
follow to kind of lessen all the information, and then um, next,
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try stuff out for yourself that works for you. Just
because it works for me or for somebody else or
some other influencer online does not mean that that is
the plan that's going to work for you. But you
know what, you can give it a try, see how
you feel, and if not, move on to the next
and just know that's okay that that didn't work for you.
Like I eat way more carbs now than I used to.
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And I was on a program once where it had
me eating like no carbs, and my body actually does
well on carbs, and I'm okay with it, and I
give my body permission to have the carbs, and it's great.
Where somebody else might be like I thrive on mostly
protein less carbs, well that's great for that person. So
hopefully I can help bring people on and give you
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information that's not going to be too confusing. And the
last thing I want to do is discourage you because
you're overwhelmed. Um. But hopefully this is like at least
a little bit of an answer to your question, Amy,
And I really appreciate you listening and getting all into
it and supporting and the ways that you have and
emailing in. I love reading the emails from you guys. UM.
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But the last thing I want is for anyone to
feel overwhelmed. And I know you weren't saying that was
like from this podcast, per se is from like all
the things where you started following everything and even Instagram
and online stuff. I feel that way, but again, those
are the things that I have to do check who
I'm following, what information am I getting how much am
I going to dive into that? And then also if
I tested out what's going to work for me and
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what's best for me. But I do know if you
take care of your body and you continue to work out,
and you try to find awesome recipes and continue with
that mail prep and overall wellness, like self care is big,
like your body will start to a line and you'll
feel better and you'll get to whatever healthy way you
need to be at. So good luck with that, Amy
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and anybody else listening who might be feeling the same
exact way. Shout out to Mike d and Elizabeth and
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I'm shocked you're still listening to me because there's so
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listening to me by any means, but I just know
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Welcome to another episode of four Things. I'm your host,
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Amy Brown, and I've got you know, four interesting different
things coming up for you today. But I am fresh
back from a trip that I took with the family
out to California. We went to visit my friend Mary
and Bobby Bones, the host of my morning show, is
actually out there doing American Idol, so I got to
work from l A with him at the same time.
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So it was sort of you know, work and some play,
which was awesome. But one thing that went down over
the weekend, which doesn't happen too often with me, is
I had a hamburger. I'm predominantly vegetarian, some days vegan,
some days not whatever. I just listened to my body,
but I don't eat meat often at all. But sometimes
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I'm just craving a burger. I really wasn't craving it
in this circumstance, but my daughter Sashira really wanted in
and out burger. Last time she was in California. Mary
took her there and she loved it, So I mean
she wanted to go there, and it's sort of like
not missing out on those family moments, Like I think
old me would have been too concerned about that. And
(01:39):
then like I'm not, I'm not, We're not going to
go to In and Out Burger, Like we're just not
going to do that. But knew me, which I don't
know how long I've been this new me, but I've
been way more chill about food, especially with my kids.
And you know, sometimes an experience like that is a memory.
Like my daughter, she ordered two hamburgers. We sat outside,
it was a gorgeous day. She ate them both. She
finished the rest of Stevenson's Hamburger. So yeah, home girl
(02:03):
really likes those burgers In and Out. If you are,
you know, worried about a young girl named Stashiro liking
your burgers, are not out here in Nashville where you
all don't even have a location yet, Um, you have
a customer in us, because if you were to open
a store in Nashville, she would be there like every
single day. So anyway, I decided to be a cool
(02:24):
mom and my husband, Mary, the kids, we all loaded up.
We drove to In and Out Burger, and I didn't
want to miss out on this memory with my family,
So instead of like just sitting there while they hamburgers,
I ordered my own hamburger and fries and I ate
it and it was so good. I will say probably
my favorite part was the bun, Like that there buns
(02:45):
are amazing and it was like toasted with butter, and
it's probably like the amazing gluten because also I'm predominantly
gluten free, so it's all about the gluten and the
meat that day, and it tasted so good. So evidently
I missed out because I didn't get an animal style.
I didn't know that that's what I should have done.
But next time I go back, I will get it
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animal style. I put a picture up on Instagram, and
I didn't realize how passionate people were about hamburgers and
especially in and out burgers and exactly how you're supposed
to order them. But my whole point in telling this
story is a couple of things. Um I wanted to
give my official review of in an Outburger, which was
really good and I liked it, but also just encouraging
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you not to miss out on life's little moments because
you're trying to be rigid with something else in your
life like I used to be, so probably a hand
like a couple of years ago, I would have been
too rigid with my diet to let myself enjoy a
moment like that with my family. Which it wasn't like
some crazy moment where it's just like this memory will
(03:50):
never forget. But I mean it was a good, solid
twenty minutes of us sitting around a table outside and
everyone having a burger, and we were like doing cheers
and you know, taking videos and boomerangs and it was
just it was just fun. And another thing I'll say,
I did post that up on my Instagram page which
is at radio Amy, but I was wearing our new
dog mom hoodie in there, which I got a lot
(04:12):
of comments about that too, a lot of comments about
Hamburgers the best in town. Even if people didn't like
in and out, they were like trying to tell me,
why did you eat there? You should eat what a
burger in Texas? Well, I know, I love what a burger,
but I wasn't in Texas. I was in California where
they where they have in and out burger, So I
wasn't trying to start a burger war. But there was
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also a lot of questions about my hoodie and what
that was. And it is something that's awesome and new
and we're super pumped about and Mary and I started
making them and we're obsessed because they have a pall
print on the sleeve, which is like a distinct way
to know that it's ours since sometimes people ripped up off,
rip stuff off, excuse me. And the dog mom stuff
(04:53):
is supporting a dog shelter place here, rescue place here
in Nashville called Proverbs twelve ten and my friend Abby
and Dan Dan work is from Dan and Shape, but
they both work with this rescue group a lot, and
in fact, they just rescued their fourth dog, So shout
(05:13):
out Dan and Abbey. Uh, they're pretty awesome. But anyway,
if you happen to be a dog mom, I know
we had the cool mom stuff and that's what inspired
us to do the dog mom is because there's a
lot of you that were like, well, I'm not a
mom to a kid, but I have a dog and
I would love a dog mom. So ask and you
shall receive. Dog mom stuff is up if you want
to check it out. It's at the shot forward dot
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com and um So all that said, make sure you
don't miss out on life's little moments. It may include
you eating a burger which you don't normally ever eat,
but it'll be a lot of fun and your body
will be fine. Like my body didn't freak out. I mean,
I get if you don't eat a lot of meat
and then you eat meat, your body might freak out.
But I didn't have an issue with that. But I mean,
I guess what I'm saying is what a fear of
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mine in the past would have been, is, oh my gosh,
I ate gluten and a hamburger. I need to go
work out or um, you know, I'm going to gain weight.
And there wasn't any of that. Didn't have any guilt.
I was just in the moment and it was amazing
and it was good family time. And I encourage you
to make sure that you're doing little moments like that
with your family. And let's see, what are we going
to talk about today. I've got Kim Anderson on. She's
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talking about perfectionism. So I don't really struggle with perfectionism
per se. I mean, I have certain things where I mean,
I want it to be just right, but I'm not
like someone that every single thing has to be so perfect.
And Kim was on last week talking about the power
of saying no and creating boundaries. So now she's going
(06:40):
to talk perfectionism. And she's a licensed therapist, a certified
life coach, um, she's a speaker. It's pretty cool. She
does have a book coming out that you can pre order.
It's called Unstuck and that's it Kim Anderson dot life
if you want to check that out. And then her
podcast is called Coming Unglued and that's coming on glued
dot org if you're interested in that as well. So, uh,
(07:02):
we we're going to talk about like progress instead of perfection,
so how we can all take little steps because although
I'm not a perfectionist per se, I do have areas
where I probably to put too much pressure on myself
and I could probably focus on progress instead of perfection.
Then also, I've got a little inspirational quote for you
(07:23):
all that I saw on Twitter that helped change my
day and where my day was headed. So I was like,
I definitely need to share this because there's definitely someone
else out there that needs to hear it. And then
any A Graham Hunter is back hunter Mobili, and I
was going to have Eddie on. I think I'd even
teased that in the Q and A episode on Tuesday,
because I was supposed to sit down with him and
(07:45):
talk about how he's a foster parent. We're gonna talk
foster care because Eddie and his wife they just took
in two little boys and added to their families. Now
he's got four kids, and some of you were curious
like how they decided to foster and what that process
looked like. So I thought i'd bring him on to
talk about it. Well, we were supposed to record it,
(08:07):
and Eddie's I like got swollen shut like I don't
I don't still don't really know the exact result, but
the doctor was saying maybe it was allergies, but he
kind of looked like Will Smith on Hitch whereas eyes
just like really puffy and swollen and I don't even know.
So I had to um call an audible and put
(08:27):
in an interview that I have with Hunter Mobli. He's awesome.
He ended up coming up here and we recorded a
few things for the coming weeks. So we're gonna talk
a little bit about the indiogram. He's come on previous
episodes before this time, we'll talk about the wings, which
you know, the intagram is just a personality tool, but
all of us, you've got your core number and you
have wings. Um that also a part of your number.
(08:50):
So we're gonna talk about that, and then the benefits
of hot showers. We've talked about the benefits of taking
a cold shower, but there I'm not saying like, Okay,
I think some of you are like, oh wow, I
only need to be taking freezing cold showers, but no,
all kinds of showers are healthy. But really a hot
shower could be a remedy to um trouble sleeping or
(09:10):
getting rid of minstrel cramps or headaches and stuff like that.
So we'll go over when maybe the right time to
take a hot shower because your body could really benefit
from it. So that is what we're going to talk about.
Definitely just rambled for eight minutes. If you're still with me, helpfully,
hopefully you'll enjoy today's episode and what is to come first. Man,
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So I've got Kim Anderson back and she was on
last week's episode talking about the power of no and
told her she's gonna be back for a series of stuff.
So if you miss that one, definitely go back and
check out the podcast from last Thursday and today we're
going to talk about perfectionism. Is that I mean, I
I personally don't struggle with being a perfectionist or perfection so,
(09:56):
but I know so many people do. Again, I know
I talked about my sister in the last when being
a yes person, but she's also struggles with perfectionism in
certain areas, not in all I would say a lot
of times too. It's not even necessarily like perfectionism, Like
with what she has going on, she just everything she
puts out there she wants people to think is perfect.
(10:17):
Right then so long, you know, she definitely had me fooled,
like I thought. I mean, she's the type of person
where if she if her she measured her couch and
her curtains from the wall like and made sure it
was like even on each side, Like I eyeball, I'm like, okay,
it looks good. But like if if if someone would
open her clothes or curtains and it would mess up
(10:37):
wherever it would you know, if she opened her back up,
she would make sure it measured right in the right
spot before she walked away. Like there's a right way
and a wrong way to do. But then she also
everything is about um with sister. If you're living listening
to this, like I love you. I'm just using you
as an example because that's one time I think I
texted her like I'm going crazy and she replied back,
(10:58):
she goes, you're going crazy. She's did you just measure
your measure your curtains from the couch to make sure
they were back in the same position. And I was like,
oh no, who would do that. That's that's psychotic And
She's like, that's what I just did, and I'm like, okay,
So but we are different in ways where sometimes I
wish some of them she would take some of that
and like apply that taking time for herself. I guess
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it's what other people think or what other people need
and saying yes to them. And she got four kids,
and sometimes I'm like, go, have you gotten if you've
gone to do anything for yourself? So self care, which
I think is something huge that we're about on this podcast.
But I don't know what that has to do with
necessarily being a perfectionist, but I guess she's I feel
like she's so busy on other things that she doesn't
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take time for herself. So, um, what is the deal
with perfection and people that struggle with that being a
major a major issue? Yeah, like a stumbling block. Well,
and perfectionism canna look different for everybody, right and we um,
there are people like at like our daughter Kyla is.
You know, she came out of the roomb extremely organized.
(12:04):
She sorted her socks, she had the books on her
shelf stack just right, like everything from day one. I'm exaggerating,
but um, but for her, it's the way she likes
to live life. She likes to be organized. And maybe
it sounds like it's that for your sister a little bit.
But what we want to look for and notices when
perfectionism becomes an idol, because when it becomes an idol,
(12:25):
it keeps us stuck and it keeps us from living freely,
from living our best lives, um, from stepping out and
taking risks and really having opportunities to grow. Right. Okay,
So I just thought of another example for my sister
about how we're different. But I'm trying to think like
there's none of me, there's no part of me. I
feel like that's her. Perfectionists um. Like Christmas presents, she
(12:47):
wraps them all matching and perfectly, like it's it's impressive.
I almost have like envy when I go to her
house and her tree and everything, and my tree is
a hot mess. My Christmas tree still up by the
way it's made, like yeah, confession, and I'm like barely.
I'm like wrapping stuff. It doesn't really match. There's no theme.
(13:10):
It's wrapped horribly. And that's okay, I know, but that
makes me, it makes me feel like, yeah, so maybe
we need to do another thing later after on comparison.
We'll cover comparison next time you come on. Because I'm like, oh,
because I'm not the perfectionist right now, I'm like thinking
of all the things my sister does perfect and organized
and so like that, I'm like, why didn't I get
(13:31):
that gene? Yeah, but it's okay because you're made to
be you, right, And so we don't want to compare
to her. And then the question becomes is it working
for you and is it working for her? And so
if it's working for her, that's great, but again, if
it stops her from achieving goal she wants or um
and so that's what can happen sometimes with perfectionists, right, Well,
what happens with perfectionism is we start to look for
(13:56):
love um in our performances, right, so like like we
can associate love being conditional upon maybe the grades we
got growing up, the college that we went to, the
job that we got, Um, are you know a high
school right now? Going through a CT scores, those types
of things. And so if we're looking if our perfection
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is keeping us in bondage because we're able to look
and go, look, we made the mark, um, we're always
going to fall short, right because the bar can always
move and as perfectionists, no, the bar moves, right. So
you okay, you get that perfect score on your A
C T. Well, that's great, but it wasn't quite So
you get a thirty five. I got a thirty five
on my A C T. Well that's amazing, but it
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wasn't enough. I could have gotten a thirty six, right,
that's where it sat. Whereas I would be like, whoa,
you got a five, celebrator right, Like that's a number
I never saw in my life. Absolutely, and so you know,
we just we want to be aware of it because
you know, perfectionism really gets in the way of our
confidence and it gets in the way. It causes anxiety. Right,
(15:05):
So perfectionism leads to anxiety. And again I'm talking about
toxic perfectionism. There are a lot of perfectionists out there
right now that would be going. Well. It works for
me and my life is running smoothly, and I've got
my grocery list made out and i know what I'll
to shop in every time I go. Um, and that's great.
We're talking about toxic perfectionism. Okay, Well, so there, I
would like to uh say something to my sister. Yes, Christie,
(15:28):
I do not. I don't think you're toxic. No, No,
now that I'm hearing this, I think she's just a
perfectionist in certain areas, but not toxic. But I feel
like it must be a pretty heavy weight on someone's
shoulders if they are lifting living with toxic perfectionism. Right, Well,
they come in to my office with anxiety or compression
and they can't figure out why. Yeah, it's because they've
(15:50):
kept themselves in this prison, this mindset prison of perfection,
and they can never quite get there. Yeah, nothing's ever
quite enough. And so what do you say to someone
that is coming to with that nothing, ever, is enough mentality. Yeah,
so I say to them, you know, let's reset the mindset.
(16:12):
And you know you've got a thirty five on your
A C t um Is that not enough? Right? We've
got to look through truth and evidence to figure out
what is getting in the way of um meeting and
being proud of where you are, right, Like, why can't
you see that a thirty five is amazing? Right? Right?
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And a lot of times it's just embracing and it's
really looking failure in the face, because when we're perfectionistic,
it's because we are trying so hard to not feel
the pain of failure, and failures part of life, right,
Falling is part of life. When we teach our kids
to ride bikes, they fall, we're there, we help them
get back up, and then they learn it's okay to fall.
(16:55):
I can do this. And so instead of walking this
tight rope of perfect shin where they're just saying, okay,
I just need to be right on this line and
if I tilt to the right or to the left,
then something's wrong with me. I've messed up, I'm a mistake.
I'm going to sit in shame. Instead, they're able to
get off that tight rope and be free. Right, So
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you would also you'd get my sister to a place
where she wouldn't feel like she had to measure the
curtains every time, because like, really, who's if you're resetting
her mindset? Like, yes, why is it important for the
curtains to be two inches from the couch? And we
do a lot of digging and digging and digging, right,
because that's coming from somewhere, It's coming from a voice
(17:36):
or a lie in the past. It's said in order,
And I'm not putting this on your sister, I'm just
saying in general, Right, if someone she's fine. If someone
comes in with that mindset they're really trying to hold
on now to not feeling that feeling that they felt back,
then does that make sense. Yeah, I would think my
(17:56):
sisters maybe came and this is I'm not speaking for her,
And I don't know why I didn't have this, but
I think it was the age in which my dad left.
Like I was younger, so certain things didn't My brain
wasn't fully there um, and I also didn't really understand
exactly what's happening. I was about eight, where she was
like almost twelve. Thirteen like a teenager. So then she
(18:18):
was kind of like, Okay, I'm going to do try
to be perfect so that they'll want to come home.
And I didn't remember having that as a kid, because
again I was younger, but she I feel like maybe
that could have played a role, because she's like, Okay,
well if I do little things, then maybe, right, maybe
I won't feel this pain, this pain of rejection, this
(18:39):
pain of hurt, this pain of longing, and then it
eventually just starts to seep into other things like curtains
and couches and cute Christmas tree wrapping paper. Absolutely just
getting Cristy. That part I'm just really jealous of. Really
I want people to come over with my house at
Christmas time to send you some cute matching wrapping paper
this year for Christma. I know, I'm like, oh gosh,
So then you know what's next after that after resetting
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the mindset and and try which I think sometimes it's
just really stepping back and asking yourself like why, yeah,
it is it's this deep y and in all honesty,
I joke, um, I've given myself a non clinical diagnosis
of r m D and that I've I've diagnosed at
relationship management disorder. So it's not in the d s M,
(19:22):
which is our clinical diagnostic book, um, but it is
evidenced in my desire my whole life to manage relationships,
and so perfection shows up for me. I'm like you
like I do not. I mean, if anybody comes over
to my house there are things stuffed in the closets,
don't open them. Um. I actually still have Christmas stuff
up in my bonus room that haven't put away. Um.
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But if I've put my foot in my mouth, if
i have um, accidentally offended somebody, that's where my perfectionism
kicks in and I will lose sleep literally until I
have resolved it. And so again, if I was to
self reflect, it's like why you know, um, what's going
on underneath? It keeps me feeling like I've got to
(20:07):
manage other people's feelings and so we just have to
do the work right. But if it's showing up in
this perfectionistic way of um, of kind of running our
lives inefficiently and ineffectively, it's time. It's time to just
stop and look at you know what cost is perfectionism
(20:28):
serving me? Is it getting me where I need to
go and guess a lot of times perfection perfectionists will say, yes,
it is at my wrapped Christmas presents that all match, right,
or look at my amazing career and look where I
am what all I'm able to do well? And some
of it goes back to personalities and temperaments. And if
you look at you know, people are familiar with the
(20:50):
Myers Briggs or the disc Um, the melancholy, the sea
on the disc all have those more perfectionistic temperaments. And
again we're created in different ways and that can be
a gift. Um. Imagine if you and I were running
the world, you know, we would still have Christmas trees
up all year around, probably a hot mess. But well,
(21:12):
I mean I'm speaking for myself, not for you, but yeah, yeah, no,
I think yeah. We are all created um in our
own unique way, which is hard for us to accept
them sometimes, but that's where we have the strengths and
the weaknesses and the yang and the yang and like
how we can make it all better because one person
has something to offer that the other doesn't and then
(21:35):
it makes a better team. Absolutely absolutely, So again, if
perfectionism is serving you, great, right, I need people like
that in my life. I'll probably hire you someday to
help run my world. But if it is leaving you
feeling anxious or depressed, then it's time to look at it, right.
And so we need to give up people pleasing and
(21:55):
worrying about what people think. That would be under my
relationship management diagnosis. I have that undermine for sure. I
worry again. Not a perfectionist, but I worry a lot
about what people think that. Yeah, Absolutely, when we can
stare it in the face, it loses its power, right,
And so um, that's something definitely to embrace. And then
just looking at failure and and and um accepting failure right,
(22:20):
because that's where our biggest lessons are. Our biggest life
lessons come from messing at Yeah. I think that it's
funny that so Bobby Bones, the host of my morning show,
is the one on the angiogram, and he's a perfectionist,
but he also just wrote a New York Times bestseller
called fail until You Don't and it is all about failing.
But I think that's something that he has, even in
(22:40):
his perfectionistic nothing is good enough ways, he has realized
that failure is necessary to learn right. It's where we
grow again. Think about babies that are learning to walk.
We don't just all of a sudden grow one day
and go, you know what, I'm just gonna walk. Right.
We learn because we fall, then we get back up
when we fall and we get back up. The research
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shows that people who embrace grit, or who um are
willing to take those risks, are the ones who are
more successful in life holistically right. And so Carol dweck
Um wrote a wonderful book called Mindset, and she just
talks about this idea of not yet, right, so I
may not have reached my goal. Um, Instead of that
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I'm not I'm a failure, right, which is what our
negative self talk might try to say. It's not yet,
I'm just not there yet. And it's so free, right,
It's so free to know there's still opportunities, there's still possibilities, um.
And so capturing our our self talk is imperative and
really just giving ourselves mercy because guess what, you get
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to mess up and so do I. Right, you get
to be human and I get to be human. And
somehow I think it's social media, you know, I mean,
I don't know what it is, but we'll have to
touch on that when you come back to talk comparison. Yes, yes,
because it's like we're living in this world right now
where we look around and we feel like everybody's lives
are perfect and they're not right, and so um, just
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accepting that we all get to be human and let's
focus on who we're becoming, not who we are or
the mistakes that we've made. I love it. Okay, Well,
when you mentioned I know, I mentioned Bobby's book and
then you mentioned the what was her book again? Just
Carold wet Carolt, mindset, mindset, Okay, So I just wanted
to make sure people got that in case they're curious
about it. And then you also have a book coming
(24:28):
up right Yes, I do, Okay out soon and you
can preorder copies on my website right now. But it's
um called Unstuck, letting go of the myths keeping you
from who you're created to be. I love that. And
then it's Kim Anderson dot life, so really easy website,
not dot com dot life dot Kim Anderson dot life. Well,
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thank you for coming on again to talk perfectionism this week. Again.
Last week was the power of saying no. And then
why don't we do We'll do the We'll do comparison
coming up okay next week, since that kind of seems
the natural flow, but choosing to be on the next
several episodes. So thank you, Kim, and again you'll check
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her out on Instagram. It's Kim Underscore Anderson Underscore Life.
So for this thing, I've got a motivational quote that
I saw on Twitter that I needed to see. The
moment I saw this on Twitter, I was like I
needed that. I needed it for my day because it
was a day that was just hectic and crazy, and
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I was like, you know what, this is a good
simple quote that maybe someone listening to my podcast needs
to hear. So the quote said either run the day
or the day runs you. And it's from Jim Ron.
And honestly, I didn't know who Jim Ron was, so
I googled him and turns out he's like an entrepreneur,
an author, motivational speaker, mentor to Tony Robbins, so definitely
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legit and knows what he's talking about. He's since passed away,
I think in two thousand and nine. But anyway, great quote,
because really you have to be in charge of the day,
You've got to make, you know, a plan of action
to make the day flow because time gets away from
us so quickly, so if we don't manage it, then
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we're not going to be productive. And I especially have
to be on my game when it comes to this,
because I have so many distractions, and I'm a person
that is easily distracted. Oh for sure, some of that's
my A D D. Some of that's just like the
way that I've allowed myself to be. But I know
I can control it. And yeah, it's just a day
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where I was just all over the place and my
day was running me. I was not running the day.
So I saw that quote and it helped me turn
it around. So either run the day or the day
runs you. So get in charge of it, get ahead
of it, wake up with a plan, stick to it.
You know, we're not gonna all have perfect days, but
hopefully that resonates with somebody listening right now. And then,
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when um, I saw this little quote out on Reese
Witherspoon's instagram, I thought, well, this is kind of motivational
speaker ish, and since Jim Ron's a motivational speaker, I
thought I would tie it into this. But It's something
that she put up actually a couple of weeks ago,
and I remembered seeing it, and when I thought about
doing this as a little segment, I went back and
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found it and here's what Reese had posted. And it
was actually a repost from Jen Dozera or Gen d Zera. Sorry,
I don't know how to say that person's name, but
j E N d z I U r A. If
you want to go follow her. But this is what
was on Reese Witherspoon's page. My three year old said
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she wanted to be an astronaut, and I said she
had to study hard, go to college, learn a lot
of science, and take a physical fitness test. And she
shrugged and said, that's just four things. So she's basically
a nonchalant motivational speaker. So sometimes we can, yeah, look
at things and it seems like a lot and so overwhelming.
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But from this cute little three year old, nonchalant motivational speaker,
it's like, don't it's all good. It's just four things.
Get it done. So, yeah, if you want to be
an astronaut, just get it done. Which I mean, I'm
not trying to be an astronaut up in here, I'm
just trying to like get through some of the days,
not nearly as hard as trying to be an astronaut.
But now I like that I want to have that
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three year old attitude, like, yeah, I have a full
day of stuff to do, but really, at the end
of the day, if I break it down, it's like,
no big deal, I can knock all this out. So
hopefully those two little things, um, you know, will help
you guys, with your day, your week, or whatever might
be going on in your life right now as you
listen to this, or maybe this will be something that
you know, keep in your pocket and pull out later
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if you need it. But I'll end again with Jim
Ron's quote, either run the day or the day runs
you boom. On last week's episode, I played or shared
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with everyone the Indiogram songs that kind of played one
in the background, but really, there's this group that wrote
a song for each number, and when people hear the number,
if it's their number, they're supposed to feel emotional. So
I'm excited to have Hunter Mobili back in he's at
Indiogram Hunter on Instagram, because I didn't know how he
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felt about these songs and he's my like Nashville go
to indiogram expert, and so now you're you're here. I didn't.
I didn't know for sure you're going to actually be
here in this episode. But it's perfect timing because now
I can ask you what you think about those songs.
I think they're so good. Sleeping at Last is the group,
and they really do speak to you. I think people
tell me all the time that they listened to the
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song associated with their number and that it moves them
in some way. Um, I've heard several two Is particularly
say it kind of moved them to just feel a
lot in tears. Even so, I think they're great. It's
a right entry point to the Instagram too. Well, okay, good.
I feel better about making that on the podcast, because
you know, when I'm making a thing, I also feel
like sometimes I have to say a disclaimer, like especially
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about the health stuff, or like I'm not a doctor,
I'm not a medical expert, like I'm just giving people things,
and I'm not an iniogram expert either. So I kind
of just threw that up there because I thought it
was I thought it was really interesting. So I'm glad
that it has the Hunter state. So and before we
came on and started recording, Hunter and I were actually
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talking about Reese Witherspoon because he I'm I'm like obsessed
with Reese witherspoone I know, and I follow her on Instagram.
I love all of her movies. In fact, in the
last thing before this, I pulled something from her Instagram
to quote. And anyway, Hunter and I were just talking
about it, and he was like, well, you know, I
think I know what numbers right. You know, of course
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you're not supposed to type anybody, but I would love
to have an Instagram conversation someday with Reese Witherspoon because
there was a new article that showed up a couple
of years ago that I just came across my news
feed and it said Reese Witherspoon feels fear in her
life every day. And I read the article and she
has some interesting language about how fear kind of sits
on her shoulder like a companion that she can almost
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have a conversation with, and that its present with her
all day. And I would love to just ask if
if she resonates with any Graham six because I find
in my teachings that a lot of six is described
fear in that personified way where they'll almost describe fear
as like a companion that sits with him, doesn't immobilize them,
but it's just kind of something that's always there that
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they learn intuitively to manage. And so I just I
think that's just great. I loved reading that, and just
one day hopefully maybe we can talk to Reese about
the I mean, it makes sense if she's a six.
I have some really awesome people in my life that
are six is right there. They hold the world together.
It's so funny when you start to really if you're
listening and you're new and you haven't listened to any
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of our previous episodes with Hunter and the angiogram, and
you're like, what the heck is the angiogram? Hunter, give
that quick short thing of what the inniagram is. The
inniagram is a personality tool that describes motivations and helps
you just figure out how to be a healthier version
of you. Film so it'll help you in relationships like
you know, your your home or at work or friendships whatever.
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But you know, when you start to dig into some
of the numbers and then you know you're not supposed
to pin people what they are, but then you talk
to me one and you're like, oh wow. Like I
told her friend the other day, I was like, I
think you might be an eight, and she got offended.
She's like, I'm not an eight. I'm not an eight.
Like I can't be an eight. But eights are like challengers,
and she was challenging me on calling her an So
I was like, I don't know, that's kind of you
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acted like an eight. So usually the best clue to
your iniagram type is the one that stings the most. Yeah, which, yeah,
I mean it does. You kind of have to. But
you can't take every single characteristic and apply it to yourself. No, no,
and and you can't just focus on the negatives. You
have to it's on the strengths that you can offer exactly.
There's no good or bad numbers, right, they all have
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blessings and curses. We've all got strengths and weaknesses. And
so when you hear the indiogram taught, if if your
listeners are reading a book about it or listening to
it taught, usually you're talking kind of middle of the road,
average space, and so you're going to hear your number
be taught with the middle of the road average behavior,
and you just got to know that there's ways of
being healthier than that, and there's ways of being less
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healthy than that. Right, And something that happens with people
in their numbers is there's wings. So you know you
you you have a number. Yes, you have a number
like Hunter, he's a two. So what what are what
are two? Is a wing? Yes? So so a wing
is the number just on either side of your number.
So I'm a two, which means that the wings are
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one and three, So it's just you know your three
and the wings are two and four. Um, So what
wings are is they give us a little bit of
information about why as a two, I might see a
lot of stuff that shows up in my personality that
looks like three stuff, or I might see a lot
of stuff that looks like one stuff. So what causes
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a person to dip into their wings? So the news
about wings are Wings are not something that you need
to worry about taking on or going and getting one
of your wings. They're just something that is you just
pay attention to wings. Wings just inform you as to
why your behavior looks a little bit sometimes like the
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behavior on either side of you. And here's here's most
the intagram wisdom says, in the first half of life,
you start life with one of your two wings, where
one of them is kind of dominant. It's kind of big.
You see you see maybe sometimes almost as much of
it showing up as your core number. But in the
second half of life, most intagram wisdom says, you add
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the second wing in and so that towards the end
of life you're kind of more balanced. You're sort of
have access to your core number, and then you've see
something owing up from the numbers on either side of you,
and so you know, the first half of life. Second
half of life is usually not about age. Most of
the time it's about trauma and kind of just what
life experiences have sort of woken us up to. Transformation
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and awareness of pain and all that. But so what
I always say with wings is, don't worry about going
and getting a wing. If I'm a two, I don't
need to say, well, I'm working on my three wing
or I'm working on my one wing. You just let
wings inform you so that you kind of know what's
going on. When I when I'm a two and I
see some one stuff show up or I see some
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three given example, since your will you're very in tune
with your number and yourself, like as a two, yes,
something that's a characteristic of that. And then when you
know a three characteristic is popped up in a one,
can you give an example of that totally? So when
my three wing is kind of the biggest wing for me.
So I'm a two. So sometimes you'll hear people say
I'm a two with a three wing. That's how I
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would identify two with a three wing. And what that
means for me is I'm to them all about relationships.
I'm all about kind of that present moment. You know,
what's going on, what's in front of me, what do
I need to respond to. But my three wing is
what helps me plan, it's what helps me perform, it's
what helps me teach, It's what helps me kind of
push myself out onto the stage to be more of
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a public person. Without the three wing, as a two,
I might be a little bit more private, I might
be a little bit more just kind of one on
one relationship oriented and less oriented to perform or teach
on a bigger platform. Um the one wing for twos,
you know, ones are really organized. Ones are a little
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bit more black and white oriented than twos are. You know,
two's kind of hold space for a lot of different
types of people, and they twos don't have very good
boundaries and they're kind of like, I love you, if
you'll just love me, I'll do anything for you with
the one wing. Two's can be a little bit more
boundaried and two's can kind of have a little bit
more this is good, this is bad kind of black
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and white thinking. So um, that's kind of still knows
what a one wing will look like in a two
or three wing will look look in at two. I
just wanted like an example so people could hear how
the traits are different. So I mean because when I tested,
which I did the written or the online test, not written,
but you know the survey online, and I was like
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a four, but then also a three. And but then
when I talked it out with you, we determined I
was a three. So I could be a three. Right,
you might have a big example, but then some of
the two. And you know, my friend Kelly at Velvet's Edge,
which she's come on the podcast for like uh fashion
and beauty stuff, and she's a good friend of mine, like,
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she's definitely a two, but I can now that you're
describing the three and the one. I can see that
in her too, right, you see. So it's kind of
another reason why you can say when you identifies your
core number, I'm a two year three. When you identifies that,
it's another reason to make of why you also some
moments see maybe a lot of four or maybe a
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lot of two, or I might see kind of a
lot of one showing up or a lot of three
doesn't mean number so bad hunter. You know, I'm struggling
with is under three? Under three? It's like narcissist falls
under three. That is really hard to read when you're
like are you because nobody wants to be I mean,
I don't know, do I have narcissis tendency tendencies? And
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you start questioning everything that you're doing, and like, well,
co dependent falls under two. So we've all got kind
of a lot. I would rather be codependent than a narcissist.
I mean, let's be honest, that might be the worst
thing on the Yes, it's under traits that one stings.
So that's why I'm like also quick to say, you know,
not every not every characteristics. And but but then they
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say about narcissists, is they don't the narcissists, not that
you're an expert in narcissism, but do they know that
they're narcissists? Yeah, so so usually now you know that
one of the hallmarks of narcissism is usually you don't know,
and usually there's kind of a lack of empathy. So
that I feel I'm a feeler. That's so weird because
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aren't threes feelers? Feelers? But the interesting thing about three,
so threes are I feel a lot. Threes are feeling
dominant and they're feeling repressed. So this is a whole
another thing. We'll do what they aimy what we're about thinking,
feeling and doing. But what it means for threes is
it's like threes taken the world through feeling, but as
soon as they take it in, they put that feeling
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away in a drawer. We call feelings to be dealt
with later, because feelings can slow us down from meeting goals,
from moving forward, from getting our day done. And so
three is just kind of intuitively learned that feelings can
slow you down, Feelings can get you off track from
the other stuff you gotta do. So feelings are intuitive
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to threes. You feel it, but then threes don't usually
give themselves the space to just sit with the feeling
and let the feeling have its effect on you. Three.
I think I'm at three that like, let's the feeling
affect me well and that you know, and then it
messes with me the whole rest of my day or
week or whatever. That's our goal, you know, our goal.
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Of coursees have become really healthy in our numbers. So
when we when we say things like, you know, threes
kind of put feelings away when we when we walk
towards transformation as threes, threes do sit with the feeling.
But honestly, that's something I've had to work on too,
because um, and I felt like I always got this
from my dad, but maybe it was just something else.
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But he was someone that always put stuff under the rug,
and we mean heeds like totally classic, like just brush
it in the rug, deal with it later, act like
it's not there. So from that, I think I learned
how to put stuff. I call it like putting it
in my back pocket, like deal with it later. So
maybe that is so at and it sounds like you've
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in totally learned how to kind of because I didn't
want to be like him. I didn't want to so
I've I try to address some of it, um so,
and then with that problem, I mean, that's the problem.
Later may not later may not ever come. And I
really believe that you really have to grieve in real time,
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that grieving late um doesn't ever actually move you through
the whole grieving process. If you don't grieve it in
real time, you really can't come back and pick that
up later. So I think I think that's what all
of our spirits, all of us, especially as two threes
and four's that are in the feeling grouping, we kind
of intuitively no feelings. We intially learned to manage feelings,
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and we've got to learn how to make sure we're
feeling in real time. Right, Okay, Well, thank you Hunter
for coming on to talk about how there's numbers, but
there's also wings. So if people are still trying to
figure that out, there's another layer which is going to
come back on to talk some more stuff too. And
if you'll ever have questions or topics, just Sendleman to
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the Q and A segment and I can reach out
to Hunter and hopefully get a solid educated answer from
like someone that actually knows what they're talking about. And uh,
where can people find you if they want to learn
more about the instagram from you? People can find me
on Facebook and Instagram at Intagram Hunter, and you'll notice
on both of those events. I have several events coming
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up in Middle Tennessee and across the country throughout the year.
So you can interact with me on Facebook and Instagram. Perfect.
Love it. Well, thank you Hunter, thank you. Okay, we're
going to do a quick little thing about hot showers
because we did an episode on taking cold showers and
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I think a lot of you are like, oh, shoot,
am I supposed to just be showering on freezing cold
all the time. Well, no, you can incorporate hot showers
and feel really really good about it, because sometimes just
need that hot shower. And I really feel, like, you know,
when I've got a lot of like tension and my shoulders,
like nothing feels better than like standing under a hot
shower and just having the hot water fall on my
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neck and shoulder area and then I kind of even
like will rub that area of my neck or my
shoulders while the hot water is there, and I kind
of get out of the shower feeling like a new person.
I don't know if it's like a time marches on moment,
but I just feel stiff all the time, and the
hot shower just loosens me right up. So in a
cold shower, like you kind of shock your system and
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you get out and kind of like amped, I'm ready
to go. I mean that's what I used to help
wake me up. But like, let's say you've got a
lot of stress happening, well, hot showers again, since you're
reducing like tension in your muscles, it will help relax
your entire body, leaving you feeling calm and fresh. So
maybe after a long day, if you've got a lot
of stress, you could take a hot shower to wind down,
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or maybe even a hot bath, but we're talking showers.
We've done a whole another episode on baths and how
amazing they are for you, which, uh I forgot how
much I missed taking a bath. So we don't have
a bath in our master bathroom. My kids bathroom upstairs
is the only with the bathtub, and before we got
our two kids, I would just you know, sneak up
there because it was almost like I had an extra
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bathroom upstairs that nobody was in. But now that it's
their bathroom, I feel weird about doing that. I've done
it a couple of times, but it's it just doesn't
feel the same. It's not as relaxing with all their
kids stuff everywhere. But we stayed with Mary this last
weekend at her new house in California. She moved in,
and the guest room that my husband and I were
in had a bathtub, and I think we were there
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three nights, and two of the three nights I took
a hot bath before bed and it felt so amazing.
I actually told my husband I was like, Uh, if
we ever move, I feel like I'm going to have
to have a thing where our master bathroom has a
bath Like I feel like that's just going to be
something that I have on my list that I don't
want to compromise on because I felt so amazing when
I crawled in bed after my hot bath. So that's
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another thing that a hot shower can do if you
want to do it like an hour before you're going
to bed. It says the relaxation effect that hot water
has on the body will actually help you sleep. So
if you're trying to fight insomnia, boom, a hot shower
can help with that. Maybe you could even like in
a hot bath. I like, I like to do the
essential oil like lavender and ups and salt or whatever.
But you can even if you're taking a hot shower,
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you can still put some essential oils on your shower
floor and then it'll like you know, still be in
the steam and the shower with you even if you're
not taking a bath. So that might be something nice
to add to your hot shower. And then when it's
my time of the month and I've got really bad cramps, um,
I will be laying on my shower floor with the
water just beating down on my stomach and it helps
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me tremendously, Like it feels so good. And that's what
when I was doing some research boom right there, Hot
showers relieves menstrual cramps. Now, cold showers can actually increase
the intensity of cramps so f y I, but hot
showers they reduce them because the hot water again relaxes
your muscle. So it's definitely an efficient effective way to
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get some relief during you know, that time of the month.
And then fortunately I'm not someone that suffers from migraines,
but I have friends that do, and man, I just
feel you. But if you happen to be listening to
this and you deal with migraines and you haven't heard
how hot showers can help, well, it says here that
they can, and I know at that point you'll probably
do anything to find any sort of relief. I've had
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a migraine twice in my life, one time in college
and then once probably four or five years ago. Maybe
I know I was living in Nashville the time, but oh,
the one in college, I couldn't even handle. I mean,
that's just how powerful they are. And so I can't
even imagine being someone that has to live with them,
you know, daily, weekly, And again I do have friends
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that that have to do that, and it's just crazy.
So I'm sure you already know all the remedies or
ways to try to get your body to get rid
of the migraine. But it says here the hot shower
hours can relieve migraines by aiding in the expansion of
some blood vessels, ensuring proper blood flow. So there you go.
If you've got maybe you don't have a migraine, but
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you have a really bad headache and you're desperate to
do whatever, try taking a hot shower. I don't know,
not a doctor here, just giving you all little things
to incorporate into your life to hopefully make you feel better.
So whether it's a cold shower, hot shower, hot bath,
or maybe you know you don't really like being clean
all or taking any sort of shower. I was reading
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some article that was saying that we should encourage our
kids to like only bathe every couple of days, and
I was like, what, no, I mean, my kids bathe
every day, and if they have a lot going on,
sometimes like twice a day. And me, I'm the weirdo
that before I go to like a really sweaty workout class,
Like if I'm going to hot yoga and I know
I'm going to be sweating like crazy, I will take
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a shower before yoga, even if I showered that morning
and maybe I just went to work or whatever. I
just like going to a sweaty yoga class super clean.
That's sort of out of respect for the people around
me too. Which one time at hot yoga way back
in the day when I first started doing beak room
in Austin, Texas. There was this guy in front of me.
I have no idea if he took a shower before class.
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I'm gonna go with it. Maybe he didn't, because I
get not a lot of people are like me. They
probably don't shower before class. But it was so sweaty
in there. We were doing this one move where his
toe ended up sort of near my mat, like his
leg was in the air and his foot was hanging
over my mat and there was sweat dripping off his body. Well,
the last time I had taken a sip out of
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my water bottle, I didn't put the lid back on
because I don't know. Maybe I was trying to be fast.
I don't know what I was thinking, but I didn't
have the lid on, and sweat from this guy's toe
dripped perfectly right into my bottle bottled of water. So
I was not able to drink water the rest of
class because I can get over the fact that hist
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from his foot dripped into my water bottle. So I
have no idea how we got on that story, but
I guess just taking showers and how many showers a day,
and what we do our hygiene level and even for
a hot class. Now I'm retracing how I got to
that story, But are you you feel me? See now,
now I know that I personally shower in case my
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sweat were to drip into somebody's water bottle, maybe they
wouldn't have to feel gross about drinking it. Maybe I
don't know. That was definitely a gross moment. So cold shower,
hot shower, whatever kind of shower you want to take,
just make sure you're showering. Little p s A here
not mistake boom. That is a wrap on today's episode.
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A big thank you to Kim Anderson for coming on
and Hunter Mobli love when my guests come on and
share some of their wisdom. Hope you'll enjoy that and
the other little tidbits from today's episode. Now is the
time where I do the email shout out, which this
one sort of has a question built into it. Sometimes
the shoutouts just like a quick email. But I thought
I would address this because I feel like some of
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you may be overwhelmed with information. UM like this email.
And I do have the Q and A segment that
I do on Tuesdays. It's the fifth thing, UM, so
I will this is sort of like a bonus thing too,
where I'm gonna be addressing a question and I don't have,
you know, the I don't think I have the best answer,
but I'm gonna try to answer this as best as
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I can. And this is an email I got from
someone also named Ami. Here you go, hey me. I
am forty three from New Jersey. I listened to the
Bobby Bones show. Love it listen when I travel to
Hong Kong. I'm a big fan of your podcast and
listen every week. Love the content and all the tips
from life to health, beauty, fitness. I started following many
of your ins to people, health, beauty and all the
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things who are all amazing. But I also follow other trainers, foodies,
health minded people, and I have to say, as helpful
as all the information is, I feel overwhelmed at times, confused, conflict,
did and ultimately discouraged. It's so much information, L O L.
I'm on a mission to achieve a healthy way by
working out, finding great recipes for meal prep and overall wellness.
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How do you manage all the content and information from
the people and influencers you follow? Thanks for all that
you do. PS. I tagged you and my dog mom
post on Instagram. I love my crop sweatshirt. I love
all the products from the shop forward, such quality products
for great causes. Keep up the great work, peace, love,
health and happiness. Amy, so Amy shout out. Thank you
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for the email. And I think that you sort of
something stuck out in your email that helped me maybe
help answer this for you. But you said you're trying
to achieve a healthy way by working out, finding great
recipes for meal prep and overall wellness. So if there
are people that you're following that aren't like a workout
that works for you, or recipes that work for you
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and meal prep that works for your lifestyle um or
your overall wellness, go ahead and just stop following them,
like if it's something that's not achievable or attainable. Like
there's some people that I had to quit following on
Instagram because I in the health world, because their job
was too like they were moms and kind of like
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doing it all, but sometimes you don't really know what
all is going on behind the scenes and how much
help they had. But I started to feel overwhelmed and
discourage because I was like, I can't cook all these
healthy meals all the time, I have no idea how
it's happening, Like I can't create this. And although I
was getting some good information from this person, it ended
up being too much information and very stressful. And once
I unfollowed them, uh, it was a little bit easier
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to breathe because what she was creating was not attainable
for me health wise. But part of her job, and
I guess her role as an influencer on Instagram was
to cook off some meals all day long that were
really great for her and her body. And you know,
she could meal prep like a boss, and like I
just personally couldn't do that, and it was discouraging. So
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that would be one little tip for you is maybe
filter through some of the people that you've started to follow,
even if it's people I've suggested. I don't know what
works for me may not work for you. But what
you need to do is go go ahead and do
like a quick check and eliminate some of the people
that may be adding that pressure to you or that
confusion so that way you don't feel left conflicted and discouraged.
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Because here's the thing with confliction, like there's going to
be like I'll even have people on this podcast, they're
going to give you conflicting information because one person may
have experienced with X, Y and Z and their research
may show this, and then the next person may say no, no,
no, no no, no, my research shows this. But that that's
where I want to kind of give you all of
the information and you can maybe even try it out
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and see what works for you. Like I've done the
whole bulletproof coffee thing, and for a while I was
on that bandwagon, but the longer I was on it,
and I saw how my body was responding to that
lifestyle aile. It did not work for me. Now it
may work for somebody else. In fact, I know people
that it works for. So I'll still have that information
on this podcast so people can learn about the bulletproof
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coffee recipe and like that lifestyle and what it's about.
But I will also say I tried it and it
does not work for me. And I found some of
that program to be very overwhelming and information overload. But
you can never have too much information. I don't think
it's the information that you're opposed to. It's just sometimes
maybe when the information doesn't all line up as the
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same that it gets confusing. Because you're like, who do
I believe? Who? Who can I trust? What's going to
help get me to my healthy weight? And really, ultimately
it's going to be trying out different things and figuring
out what works best for you. And you don't want
to be stressed out about it, because stress will cause
you to hold on to some weight to or cause
you to eat more when especially if you're trying to
lose weight, if you're stressed out about how you're gonna
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lose the weight, you might eat more and then it's
all counterproductive. So um, you know, I know I can't
really help exactly answer this question, but that is where
I would start. Amy is to start like maybe seeing
if you can eliminate some of the people that you
follow to kind of lessen all the information, and then um, next,
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try stuff out for yourself that works for you. Just
because it works for me or for somebody else or
some other influencer online does not mean that that is
the plan that's going to work for you. But you
know what, you can give it a try, see how
you feel, and if not, move on to the next
and just know that's okay that that didn't work for you.
Like I eat way more carbs now than I used to.
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And I was on a program once where it had
me eating like no carbs, and my body actually does
well on carbs, and I'm okay with it, and I
give my body permission to have the carbs, and it's great.
Where somebody else might be like I thrive on mostly
protein less carbs, well that's great for that person. So
hopefully I can help bring people on and give you
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information that's not going to be too confusing. And the
last thing I want to do is discourage you because
you're overwhelmed. Um. But hopefully this is like at least
a little bit of an answer to your question, Amy,
And I really appreciate you listening and getting all into
it and supporting and the ways that you have and
emailing in. I love reading the emails from you guys. UM.
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But the last thing I want is for anyone to
feel overwhelmed. And I know you weren't saying that was
like from this podcast, per se is from like all
the things where you started following everything and even Instagram
and online stuff. I feel that way, but again, those
are the things that I have to do check who
I'm following, what information am I getting how much am
I going to dive into that? And then also if
I tested out what's going to work for me and
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what's best for me. But I do know if you
take care of your body and you continue to work out,
and you try to find awesome recipes and continue with
that mail prep and overall wellness, like self care is big,
like your body will start to a line and you'll
feel better and you'll get to whatever healthy way you
need to be at. So good luck with that, Amy
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and anybody else listening who might be feeling the same
exact way. Shout out to Mike d and Elizabeth and
all the people that help make this podcast possible. Really
appreciate it, Bobby and the Nashville Podcast Network. You can
go check out other podcasts that are available too. There's
a lot of a lot of good ones out there.
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I get a podcasts are everywhere. I'm shocked if you're
even listening to me talk at this very second, like,
I'm shocked you're still listening to me because there's so
many podcasts listen to. Not trying to discourage you from
listening to me by any means, but I just know
that there's a lot of content out there, there's a
lot of ways to consume things. So I really really
appreciate you, um listening to you know what I have
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going on here at four Things and with the Q
and A the fifth thing, and if you want to subscribe,
that would be amazing and rate and review also amazing.
So I really appreciate it. Joy Never life can't he
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