September 23, 2021 • 42 mins
Journalist, Mosheh Oinounou, is on this episode breaking down this year's news highlights for us. Amy is obsessed with his Instagram account...it's her favorite source for all things going on in the world...so she asked him to come on and share what '4 things' in the news that we will likely always remember 2021 for. They cover: January 6th, vaccines, space travel, climate change, Afghanistan & more. Follow Mosheh on Instagram for news updates that are factual & easy to understand: @Mosheh
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Okay, little food for you so life. Oh it's pretty Bay,
It's pretty beautiful. Thanks beautiful. That a little moth tighten
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up you kicking four Okay. I am beyond pumped for
my guest today with first of all, Happy Thursday, everybody,
and we are joined by motion from Instagram. And you've
heard Mary and I talk about him a lot. If
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she joins me for a fifth Thing episode, we're always
talking about. This is who you need to follow on
Instagram if you want all the news, so most I'm
gonna let you handle saying your full name. Well, first
of all, thank you so much for having I'm very
excited to be on with you. My name is Mosha
one you knew. But to make it easy for folks,
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I just go by motion, okay, and go ahead and
spell your Instagram for everybody at m O s h
e h boom. And yes, for sure, if you're not
following him, you're missing out because I feel like you
do the best job in all of the the Instagram.
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That sounds very old now in my personal opinion of
curating important topics from around the world, not just what
we're experiencing here locally in the US or you know,
really hot topic, like anything you turn on the news,
like you'll see but I feel like you give it
to us in a digestible way. It's funny because I've
been doing this now on Instagram for about a year
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and a half. Started during COVID whenever, like my friends
and family were like, what's going on? What should I
be following? And I was like, well, let me just
try to break it down for you. This is what
you need to know today, this is what we don't know,
this is what we may know, and then expanded it
out to like a little bit of everything. And so
some of that is the stories that folks will DM
me about, like I want to know more about X,
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Y or Z, and some is just generally just my interest, right.
So I tend to like foreign news, I tend to
like entertainment, I tend to like politics, and so I
try to mix in a little bit of what I
think people are asking about, what I know they're asking about,
and then things that I just find interesting out there.
There was one week that the met Gala was going on,
and I felt like I got like entertainment type news
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but also mixed in with news out of Afghanistan that
I was, you know, wanting to stay current with So
I appreciate your accounts so much, and I'm just curious
in your opinion as we start to close out one like,
what comes to mind is maybe the top four stories
that we will forever remember one for because I feel
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like there's world events that happened where it's like, you
know where you were when that went down, what year
it was, what happened in your life that year. I
just curious what comes to mind for you. So let's
try to this chron chronologically. Four things. Well, the first
one I would go with is January six, right, and
I would think for the most part, people will know
six days into this year where they were when they
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heard about, you know, the riots and insurrection on the
US capital and what was going on that bit, which
was insane, like the fact that people were able to
get into the capitol and take it over. In a
sense like we saw that happen a little bit. It's
very different, but you look at images of in Afghanistan
like that happening. But people around the world, We're watching
our news that day and they were like, what in
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the world is happening in America? Totally and by the way,
as somebody who covered Washington, like I went to college
in d C. Because I was interested in politics and journalism,
and then covered intern on Capitol Hill. Incidentally, my first
day mentionship was nine eleven. I evacuated the capital with
the senator I was working for, and then fast forward,
I covered Capitol Hill for my first job with the
Fox News Channel as a producer covering Congress, covering the
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House and Senate. So having walked those hallways and then
to see the images on television of just people rioting
and people, you know, this is like sovereign ground the
U S. Senate, Like average people can't walk on the floor.
It's just senators. You actually have to be a former president.
There's special rules I who can walk on the floor.
And you see like a guy with a shirt off
jumping on the chair. You know, like you see all
this stuff going on, and you're just shocked, especially as
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somebody who walked these hallways, who worked in this building.
It's wild to think about, and I feel like that's
something eventually, maybe we'll get a documentary about it to
explain more of how that even happened. I mean, now
we're getting more info about some stories from that day,
like the police officer that you know put on a
maga hat and lead the people in, because that was
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his bright idea to maybe help get some of his
fellow police officers out, which is wild to think about.
But yes, So that's a documentary I'm looking forward to.
I'm sure they'll call it like American Crime Stories January six. Well,
after we get down with the Monica and Bill series,
they're gonna have to go with another. I am. I'm
absolutely watching. I can't wait for episode three this week.
It's one of those things where I wish I could
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binge it, but we're having to wait every week, like
along with Ted Lasso And what about the Morning Show?
Do you watch that? I do watch the Morning Show?
In fact that I think as someone who worked in
morning television at CBS, I helped launch the Morning show,
our morning shows, he guess this morning. It is accurate
to the point of being triggering at times. Some of
the storylines that that unfold and the way the actors
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interact with one another the part that is really scary.
Actually when you're watching it, you're entertained by it, but
then you think about how this show was built based
on real stories. And like you're saying, it's hit, it's
triggering and hitting close to home. So I can only
imagine for certain women and people watching how triggering that
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must be. Well, just seeing how the talent, beyond air
talent interacts with the senior producers and the younger producers.
I was at CBS almost ten years. I helped launch
of Morning Show and then eventually ran the CBS Evening News,
and so just having those various interactions the day to
day trying to manage curating the world's headlines and everything
that is important and interesting into a broadcast, but in
also dealing with the internal politics and personalities of people
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in television, and it runs the gambutt. Now you mentioned
being on Capitol Hill during nine eleven. We just had
the anniversary, the twenty year anniversary, and watching a lot
of those documentaries that were popping up. I particularly loved
the one on Apple Plus nine eleven inside the President's
War Room. Did you see that? I didn't catch that? Okay, Well,
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I enjoyed it because George Bush was on there and
Dick Cheney and Condolezea Rice, and it was their perspective
from that day. So I'm just curious since you were
there in d C. What was that day like for
you twenty years ago? Well, so, I was a college
student at the time. I was a sophomore in college
at at GW and was already kind of an aspiring journalist.
I was writing for the college newspaper. But like many
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students in d C, you go do an internship on
Capple Hill. It's kind of a thing you do you're
interested in politics. So showed up bright and early on
Capitol Hill that morning. I'm originally from the Chicago area,
and so I was interning for the senator senator from Illinois,
Dick Durbin, who happens to still be in the U. S. Senate.
And got there bright and early and was watching, like
many folks, one of the morning shows, the Today's Show.
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As I started to see the events unfolded New York
and then here planes might be headed literally towards the
building complex we're in, and so folks are like, get out,
get out sirens. Initially everything was calm, and then as
people start to realize that this is bigger than we
all thought, there were you know, kind of alarm bells
that went off inside the building and we evacuate the building.
I came back to campus. Landlines were down, cell phones
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were clearly down, and for some of us, like a well,
instant messenger was like the main communication that day because
it's the only thing that was still functional. My mother
still has the instant messages I sent her by the
late morning. The first call that came through on the
landline was the college paper being like where are you.
There's like a story happening on campus and around Washington.
I'm like making good point. So I made way back
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to the newspaper office, grabbed notebook, and then started to
walk around town and it just started to interview folks,
and I happened to run into one of the more
famous journalists in Washington. That happenstance. Her name was Helen Thomas,
and she's famous. She sat in the front row of
the White House briefings from forty years for a wire
service that was called U p I. She was there
for the Kennedy administration through the Bush administration. And I
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ran into her, and I remember getting a quote from
her that day, so covered that and I found that
one that having even a college press pass like a
piece of paper that we you know, ran a were
round my neck give me access to things, which is remarkable.
And I found almost also reporting and interviewing a coping
mechanism for stress. And I think I found the same
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thing twenty years later, almost twenty years later with COVID,
was I started to curate news on Instagram because that's
my way of managing the chaos around me, as if
I could report on it and start to understand it,
and that happened both in nine eleven and then later
with COVID. Then I'm able to you know, explain it
to my friends, family, which fulfills me in a way,
but also just help me internally, you know, understand what's
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going on around me. Yeah, I mean, knowledge is so
much power, and for you, I could see where it
helps get you through it, especially if you're able to
use your gift of really understanding things and break them
down and then sharing it with family, friends and now
in the world with your news. And one of the
things that I always enjoyed about journalism is that it
allowed me to become a quick study in many things
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like be ah whether they say like a mile wide
and n inch deep, and like on any given day
you wake up and there's a new story and it
might present a new issue, and it is your job
to become an expert in that topic as quickly as possible,
hoping that you have some background knowledge. But if you don't,
to talk to the folks you do so then you
can break it down for everybody else. Well, I'm thankful
that you do that because it certainly helps me. Now,
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I know, I asked you the top for four things
in the news that will be remembered in one and
you said January six, So chronologically, let's get to the
second thing. So the second thing, I'll say it's different
for everybody, but I would say, generally speaking, the vaccine
is the story of the year. The vaccine that came
earlier than anyone thought, that was already being distributed within
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eight months of us knowing what COVID was already the
first folks are getting the vaccine. And so for many folks,
if you've gotten the vaccine or it has become available
to you, you know where you were when you got it,
you know how you felt if you got it, and
you've seen the kind of everything unfold around it. So
I'd say, personally speaking, the vaccine rollout would be the
next story, and that kind of that takes you winter
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through spring. I feel like that's been something that's really dividing,
not that we already had enough divisiveness going on in
the country, but also to just the fact that, you know,
so many people are so passionate either way, and we're
not to get into you know, what we personally think.
I mean, I I personally vaccinated. I I've said that here.
I got the vaccine back in March, my first dose.
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It's remarkable, right, because when you think about it, actually
nine eleven was an interesting anniversary to go through recently
because a lot of what people remember is not only
where they were that day, but also how the country
came together afterwards, Right, what something that could have been
incredibly divisive given you know, there were questions afterwards about
what president didn't do enough to get bid laden and
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how this was allowed to happen. And you can imagine, unfortunately,
if something that happened today, how the sides would react
and wonder whether we could be as unified as we
were in the weeks and months following those attacks. And
so with COVID, we were again presented with a national,
frankly international challenge, and there was a moment. Briefly, I
felt like in the beginning where we were plotting the
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first responders and the doctors, and you did feel united.
But then, just given the nature of our times and
you could throw social media in the mix, the immediately
fighting a pandemic became a red blue issue in this country,
and unfortunately, when you look across the globe, we're much
more divide in this country about pandemic response than other countries.
Now that's not to say there aren't protests in other
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countries about that, you know, vaccine policy and shutdowns, especially
places like Australia, France, Italy, really all over the world,
but in terms of a division around the vaccine, the
US is one of the most prominent, I think behind
Russia right now, the most skeptical about the vaccine when
you look at at major Western countries, and so unfortunately,
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the rhetorch has become charged, the accusations have become charged,
those are elevated by social media, and it's it's unfortunate
because there's a Senator from New York named Daniel Patrick
moynihan who served for many years through the eighties early nineties,
and he had a quote at least the quote is
attributed to him that you're entitled to your own opinion,
but not your own facts. And I feel like we've
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reached a stage in this debate where there's two sets
of facts or multiple sets of facts, and then people
have opinions about those facts, and it's very hard to
find common ground when you can't even agree on the
basic facts. And unfortunately, you know, it comes at the
same time, you see a confluence of things, right, because
like people are skeptical about the media, people become very
divisive in their politics, and so naturally COVID and the
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response to it, and how each party has responded or
advocated things, and how the media has covered it all
mixes in there and it becomes, unfortunately, really toxic, and
you know, I think that I would hope that we
could agree on basic scientific facts. But at the same time,
we have this kind of unique situation where science is
figuring it out on the fly, right, because this pandemic
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is new and they're researching it on the fly, and
so people want certainty, and science itself is uncertain because
you just do research until you do research and you
discover things as they go on. And at a time
where we see immediate facts. I need a gratification and
frankly more important like can I go outside and how
is it? Say, like, to what extent is it safe?
And what can I do? And when there aren't answers,
fingers get pointed and so I don't know if I
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answered your question, Amy, but I just feel like, well, no,
I mean it just it helps explain some of the divisiveness.
And it makes me think of the echo chamber. That is,
if you're relying on Facebook or social media for some
of your content, it's cure, it's curated just for you,
things that you start to click on, and then you
start to see that and that's what's echoed, and then
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you believe that everybody else feels the way you do.
And then when you meet resistance and someone doesn't, then
you respond in this non compassionate really weird. I don't know,
just things that I've seen publicly, how people have handled
someone not agreeing with what they're saying, just seems so
almost Yeah, there's no compassion, there's no understanding. You know,
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we have a First Amendment in this country. You have
a right to free speech. You've a right to you know,
express your opinion as long as it, you know, doesn't
lead to violence. Right. The Supreme Court has ruled on
various limits of sorts to the First Amendment. But there
was a time where you can have a respectful debate,
whether you could have you know, lunch or dinner with
people who disagree with you, and politics didn't have to
come up, or folics did came up. You could have
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read to disagree respectfully, and you know, we can try
to look sociologically at what's new and what's changed in
the past. I don't know, twenty years does it feel
worse than the nineties? Still feel like at the time
you can have these discussions. I just feel like it's
you know, and then you can say, is the technology
is a social media To your point about echo chambers,
you know, these social media companies, even the one that
you know we we met on Instagram, is a place
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where they're encouraged to create a situation where you can
echo champe because it brings you. It means you're on
the platform longer. If there's opinions you agree with, you
tend to engage, and if you engage, you're there longer.
So these companies are incentivized to only give you accounts
and opinions that are like yours. But then what happens
is you live in that world for so long that
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you're shocked when you find out that's a whole world
of folks who disagree with you. It was very interesting
watching the California recall coverage last week, and they went
to the county that most voted to recall the governor
of California. Of course, he didn't end up getting recalled
right overwhelmingly. Californ is a democratic state. Republican party has
been in disarrayed for a long time, so he survived
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the recall. But they went to the county that voted
too to one to recall the governor. They were in
a state of shock, some of the the people they spoke to,
being like, how could this happen? Everyone I know hates
this guy because they happen to live in a place
and be on social media at a place where the
everyone agreed with them. They're literally living in the echo chamber.
You're living the echo chamber. So you're like, it must
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be fraud because everyone I know voted for him or
voted against him, So like, there's no legitimate explanation for
what took place. No, the ligeral explanation is drive to
the place, or go to the account, or go to
the media source, or go go to a place that
disagrees with you. It might be painful and annoying and frustrating,
but you know, we're all Americans, and so for us
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to better understand and to come to solutions, we have
to have a basic understanding for why the people who
disagree with us disagree with us. And I think just
to circle back to the vaccine too, and maybe some
of the debate and why they get so heated is
when you involve children in school and masks and this
and that, like what's required or if you work for
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a company that is requiring that you do it to
be able to do your job. But then that's where
it's kind of like, oh, well, shoot, now I don't
really feel like I'm getting to make a decision for myself.
So I understand that side of the debate. But sometimes
it's just how you're behaving when we're trying to express
yourself is where it gets weird. And it only makes
sense right because like what is COVID? COVID it impacts
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your health, it impacts your your politics, Like if you
impacts your economy, your small business if you can't open
your restaurant with so literally every aspect of life is
impacted by the thing that we've been confronting for the
past year and a half. So it totally makes sense
that people are are extremely passionate, there's a reason why
they believe what they do, and that they have little
to know empathy for the other side because ultimately, for them,
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it's life or death. It's life or death of their
family and friends, it's the life or death of their business.
And so that I think explain is the passion. But
it comes at the same time that America is dealing
with a lot of other challenges. All right, So for
the first thing that we'll remember in the news from
one you mentioned January six, second thing is vaccines. What's
the third thing? So the third thing I'd like to
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be slightly more uplifting, uh, And you know, I'm I'm
always a fan of following like compelling technological events that
down the road will potentially change the way that we interact, etcetera.
So the one thing that struck me is also kind
of a space nerd, is that this was the year
that we sent civilians into space. We sent a bunch
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of billionaires into space on their own rockets, right, Branson
went up, Jeff Bezos went up. And it's a true
game changer because, like think about it, like until this year,
I mean, you did have some private businesses working in space,
but it was a NaSTA thing. It's a government thing.
Countries went to space. Now individuals going to space and
companies going to space. And where does that go? We
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don't know. Is its space travel, is its space hotel?
Is there a technology that develops out of it? Is
the year when space became accessible for the average person. Now,
by the way, a real handful of folks, and some
of them happened and have a lot of zeros at
the end of their bank account. But that to me
is pretty remarkable. Yeah, No, I love that you shared
a little tell me something good. We were talking about
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it actually on the Bobby Bones Show this week because Lunchbox,
he's one of our co hosts. We had put him
in the raffle for St. Jude to send him to
space on the Civilian one. He didn't end up getting selected,
but we were so hopeful that he would have because
he was terrified and he didn't want to go, but
we were like, well, now that they landed and everything
was successful, would you have been okay with going knowing
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that you would have been okay? And he still was like, heck, no,
I'm not going to space. But it is wild to
think about that we're doing that now and it's only
gonna just be more of an opportunity for more and
more people to to do something like that. And then
it led us to a whole conversation of time travel
and the future and what we're gonna know. So that's
my very hard hitting question for you is do you
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believe in time travel? You know, it's so interesting because
I guess I hope for it. But then one would argue,
logically speaking that if time travel is to exist, wouldn't
someone from the future have come back at some point?
But do they have some other technology that like means
that they're invisible or whatever? Because you know, growing up,
one of my favorite movies was Back to the Future, which,
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by the way, incredible. I watched on a repeat on
like TBS or whatever all the time. All the Back
to the Future is, including that third one in the
Wild Class, which I didn't love, but you know, I
used to watch it and the soundtrack of Hugh Lewis
and the News and like a few of those songs
from that iconic first movie. And then there's a show
called Quantum Leap back in the nineties, and I just
remember being obsessed with an episode, and again this is
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pre DVR. I think the VCR. We just learned how
to record on the VCR, and I wanted to record
the episode where he goes back to the Kennedy assassination
that tries to prevent the Kenny assassination and just becoming
mesmerized by that episode and the idea of it. All Right,
so we've got January six, We've got vaccines, and then
we have space travel for everyday people like you and me.
I guess if if we we wanted to do that somehow,
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or we had a billion dollars, What is the fourth
thing that you see us remembering? News wise? So interesting?
Can I can I have to tie for the fourth
slot or okay, great? I just I don't know what
the rules are, so I want to make sure. So
we're gonna call them four things. But two things tied
for fourth place, and I think both are just important
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again as Americans and our role in the world. One
is climate change. The year that sort of whether it
rained seventeen inches in one town in Tennessee, rained ten
inches in two hours in New York City, Siberia is
on fire. However you want to believe we've gotten here.
Science has kind of come around and almost regardless of
your politics, now you acknowledge that the climate seems to
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be changing, It isn't what it once was. What do
we now do about it? How do we confront it,
how do we try to adapt to it, and how
do we try to reverse it? And I do feel
that like we've heard this talk for a long time.
We've heard the global warming, etcetera, etcetera. But this year,
one out of three Americans has been impacted by a
flutter or fire in some way. There was a time
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a couple of weeks ago when one out of four
states had an emergency declaration over it. Something is happening,
things that are changing, and we're gonna have to adjust
in some way. And so that's one item. So that's
negative in that this seems to be bad in some ways,
but good in that I feel like there's awareness of
it to the point where, you know, can we trust
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in science and can we trust in society that do
we need to make some changes before we have to
completely start to abandon parts of this country in this
world because the temperature is not going to allow it,
or the climate is going to change in a way
where we can't grow crops there anymore, or there's no
water in certain places anymore. So that would be item
one of the fourth fourth memorable thing. It is tied
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with um the story we've all been following it, all us,
which is Afghanistan. And that to me, we you know,
we we all followed that story. We all unfortunately, you know,
we might know somebody who fought there, We might know
somebody we lost there. We might know somebody on the
other side who was a civilian, whether you know a U. S. Veteran,
foreign veteran, or civilian who was in the ground there.
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It was that sort of kind of end to the
nine eleven story in a way, and the twenty years
since eleven because we went into Afghanistan because of the
events of nine eleven and bid Latin being there. But
the larger thing there is you think about it is
what is the US role in the world since World
War Two? Since we helped win and led winning World
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War Two along with the Russians. The US role in
the world is we're here to fix things in a
certain way where the police officer for the world. We're
here to prevent what took place twice in the first
half of the twenty century. We two world wars, and
we kind of make sure there's not a third one.
Given word, technology had gotten and you saw with what
took place in Afghanistan in our departure that maybe there
needs to be a reconsideration of what our role is,
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what our capacity is. And so you know, those are
among the things I thought about as you watch those events,
is you know, it's in terms of those pictures from
Vietnam and people watching them mid seventies are excitent form Vietnam,
and then fifty years later, you know, seeing some of
those similar images in Afghanistan, what do we want to do?
What do we want to risk our blood and our treasure?
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Uh and you know, our young men and women to
do and what challenges that those present because at the
same time you see the suffering of the people there
and unfortunately the clampdown you already have seen on women's
rights and a whole variety of things over there? What
is the American role when it comes to that when
you see suffering locally or you see unfairness. Do we
have the capacity to be able to help everyone everywhere
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all the time. We we don't. And so there's a
certain reality check that I think it made us all
kind of have last month. Well, it's only September now,
and I've kind of unfairly asked you to give me
your top four things from the news because we have
three more months where something could happen thrown in so
I'll have to just have you back on later in
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the year. I love last week in December. We could
do a real comprehensive list by then on that ten items,
since I just, you know, admittedly fit five things into
four things. But yeah, I mean, but but it's it's
really remarkable because you know, we thought was this kind
of unique year, like, oh, well, you know, things will
get back to normal after that, and you realize that
every year now there's going to be a handful of
those really memorable things, and you hope that regardless of
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whether we could have prevented it, not prevented it, how
we could have reacted better, and hopefully there's lessons learned
that helped educate us and on a human level and
on a government level, to ensure that we can learn
the lessons of and hope that we learned them letter
than better than the lessons of. I had reposted something
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someone put up on Instagram and you reacted to it
in my d M s. But it had said not
to be rude. But Rissa explained none of this. I
love if you if you know a certain era of
nineties television, there's incredible little like iconic moments, And I
know who those followers are. When I put up like
Saved by the Bell memes and Clarissa plains at all
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the glory days of the nineties and nineties television, I
know I feel like some people hearing that right now
and they might be like, wait what, But like you said,
Clarissa explains, it all was a show from the nineties.
And then anything say by the Say by the Bell.
You know. I saw Mario Lopez this last weekend. I
was in Vegas for I Heart Radio Music Festival and
he was there. Always obviously makes me think of Mario.
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My favorite say by the Bell quote or one of
them is what is art? Is art? Art? From Lisa Turtle.
You don't know, yes, yes, I thought you're gonna go
with the Jesse Spano. I'm so excited. I'm so scared.
You know. I was looking over recently because I followed
this Twitter account called retro news Now, and it's literally
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devoted to every day of the week. It's it's often
where I find my on this day in history, and
it's like a little bit of everything. It's like, here's
the New York Times on this day from the Titanic
thinking and then like this was the day Baywatch premiered.
Like it's a little bit of everything every day, and uh,
they do a remarkable job of like tracking pop culture,
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like what was number one of the Billboard? Where were
the shows that premiered? And it reminded me when I
saw the Saved by the Bell one recently whatever anniversary
it was that like the show was only on for
like three seasons. Um, it only had like a couple
dozen episodes. But yet, like I think it repeated so
often that people are like, you know, oh, yeah, no,
I mean it's a huge part of my childhood. So yeah,
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I had no idea was only three seasons? Is that
including um college years? No college years are separate. And
then there was the Good Morning Miss Bliss proceeding year
when they were suddenly they were in Indiana, and then
suddenly by season two they all moved to California. So
how well do you think you would do? Want to
show like Jeopardy. It's so interesting because I tried out
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twice where I only got through the first round, and like,
I'm like, okay, I got geography, I got history, I
got like current offense politics, and then the area that
I've I do need to brush up on is like
literature and art, where I'm like, I know enough, like
I can get a money and a Shakespeare reference or
it Dickens reference. But like it actually turns out, based
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on talking to somebody who produced over there, that like
the initial rounds to be eligible for Jeopardy are actually
much harder than the actual Jeopardy. So you might think
that like, oh, I could crush Jeopardy. I did really
well tonight, you know, sitting in my living room, But
the test to go into Jeopardy are I found to
be much more complicated. I don't know, just listening to
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talk and then following you on Instagram, like yeah, he'd
be the guy or like if I was on I
had some competition, I would be calling you, like we
did a family feud. Yeah, you're my phone of friend.
Yes you are. Bobby like he's a he's a wealth
of knowledge. I feel like some hims he just reads
something once and then he knows it. But we did
with Bobby and the show. We did family food once
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and that game is pressure. Do you ever watch that
with Steve Harvey? I mean I remember growing up with it.
What was his name, Rich something? Who hosted it like
back in the eighties, nineties? Oh did he also do
Love Connection? Yes, Okay, yeah, I can't think. I mean
I remember growing up with that, and then I will
watch it once in a while with Steve Harvey. I
mean the thing is like usually i'll grab like something
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that's number three or number four on the board. The
number one is a hard it's a hard one. Yeah,
it is hard to get to. So I normally have
guests and by sharing four things that they're thankful for,
but I am testing out getting specific with people. So
I would love for you to share a book that
you're thankful for, a TV show on Instagram or Twitter follow,
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which you kind of just gave us retro news now,
but maybe you have another one that you think is awesome,
and then a food or drink, like, especially now that
it's fall. I don't know if there's something you're particularly
thankful for. Okay, So category one is book I'm gonna
throw back because I think it explains when people are like, well,
how did you give this news thing? And I was like,
let me tell you that. When I was five years old,
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I would sit on the floor of my grandmother's apartment
and I became obsessed with the World Atlas, like memorizing
world capitals and flags and then drawing the flags and
tracing the countries, and so people like, who's this kid
to my parents, like he's obsessed with the with the
World Atlas, and we would we lived above a basketb
(30:30):
Robin's ice scream shop in suburban Chicago, and my dad
would give me or fifty cents or whatever was from
ice cream going back in the late eighties, and I'd
come back with the Chicago Tribune instead of the ice cream.
And so I would say that book The World Atlas
kind of opened my eyes to the world, and it's
probably one of the reasons why I got into the
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business that I did and why it became so interested
in the world and what happens around me. So it's
not it's not a read if you will, It's a
lot of maps and explanations and statistics. But guess that
would be my most most memorable thing. And I my
grandfather passed away years ago, gave me a New World
Atlist for my it was my sixth birthday and there's
a beautiful inscription that he wrote at the top where
he's like, you know, I'm giving you the world and
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but it's like, how many first graders are being given
a World Walist by their grandfather for their birthday gift?
But that, to me was probably the most impactful book,
at least that I started out with. So what about
a TV show? There was a show for about seven
seasons on NBC called The West Wing. Okay, we have
a fellow, a West Wing fan here, Yes, that's me.
I'm giving a thumbs up to him on zoom. It's
so good, so good, And I started watching that. I
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think it came out probably when I was a freshman
in high school, and it just that is another thing
that opened my eyes to like, wow, this is how
Washington works, and it was very inspirational, right, You got
this feeling if you watch it now, you might be like,
that's what politics was like politics, you know, it feels
such so dirtier these days than that. It was in
this kind of aspirational West Wing that Aaron Sorkin developed,
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and you know Martin Sheen as the president. But that
was I was obsessed with that show. You know again,
I believe nine pm on Thursday nights must see t
v NBC after Sign Felled and Friends and um trying
to remember. I think Willa and Grace was that night too,
but they might have been Wednesdays with Matt about you.
I was a latch key kid. I watched a lot
of television as a kid, but if I had to
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choose it as a West Wing had this impact to
like open my eyes to Washington and say, I got
to see about this place. This place seems amazing and
you can have a real impact. So I did not
watch West Wing in high school, but I was a
late watcher. I streamed it later. So I'm just encouraging
people if that's something you want to check out and
you want something to watch for a very long time.
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There are one million episodes, but I love that that
was your favorite show, like while you're still in high school.
I was watching, you know, Dawson's Creek. I was also
watching Gosson's Creek. If you remember the show Third Rock
from the Sun. I remember really liking that Home Improvement.
Then there was the t g I Friday Lineup, Boy
Meets World, and Full House and Family Matters, Family Matters
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with Herkell. Yeah, I watched a lot. And then if
people remember early cable in the nineties, they didn't have
new programming yet, so networks like FX and an E
and AMC bought like these backlog of shows. So I
got really into like watching old episodes of The Green
Hornet and Batman and Wonder Woman from the sixties and seventies,
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Love Boat, Gilligan's Island, the Honeymooners, Night Cord from the eighties.
I don't actually my mother. I was posting on Instagram
like favorite shows or polls from the eighties, nineties, seventies,
and mothers like when did you have time to watch
all these shows? I clearly was not paying at to
That's what I'm wondering. Okay, so what about your like
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an Instagram follow that you are thankful for so really recently,
I am thankful for an account that is run by
a woman named Sharon McMahon called Sharon Says. So she
also started amid uh covid. She's a former American government teacher.
She's based in Minnesota, and she blew up. She's got
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like seven hundred thousand people who follow her now and
she's kind of dubbed herself America's government teacher. But she
took to specifically using her Instagram account to explain all
things like the election and the Supreme Court and how,
especially in the kind of aftermath of the election, how
things work. And then she was also dealing a lot
with the kind of the Q and on theory is
(34:28):
and like explaining like why that's not possible, and why
why is that possible? And why is he's not possible? Anyway,
insidantly I take with her podcast. Recently, I had her
on Instagram live. We had a wonderful conversation. She has
an incredible way about explaining everything, and we both share
this kind of devotion to the facts and truth without
to the best of our abilities, um showing any bias
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or partisans slant. Of course, you know, bias is what
it is. We are who we are, where we're from,
where we live, our experiences, our education, but that our
allegian first is to the truth into the facts and
to try to explain things also in a nonsensational way.
So I'm very thankful for her, and I find her
account extremely extremely helpful and useful. Wall to check it out.
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And lastly, food or drink? Are you a pumpkin spice latte? Guy?
I will have a pumpkin spice latte. It's not like
I woke up whenever it was in August, but suddenly,
you know, Dunking Donuts and Starbucks haven't available. I'm like,
oh my god, that's like Christmas morning. Coffee is great.
I actually will say that I went apple picking with
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my wife over the weekend, and I am thankful just
thinking this weekend for apple cider, which I hadn't thought about.
It's very seasonal. My wife we got married over the summer,
and you know, we annually apple pick, and so we
went to the orchard and had I think they actually
this year they had like a frozen apple cider, which
like a slushy, which is very delicious, And so I
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am grateful for her for bringing me there and everything
that she does. It also for apple cider and what
a fun date idea for people too, if they're listening
right now, something to get outside and go do something
seasonal and then have potentially depending I guess where you
do it, have some apple cider to enjoy. Mary and
I make these four Things fall pullovers and we have
(36:16):
a marooned one and apple ciders on there. We can
send great minds, great minds. It probably has other girling
stuff on there that you would not wear. I don't
really know that you would wear a fault full over,
but I know you have repped your I'm fine, it's fine,
everything is fine. Four Things shirt before so I have
funny enough. I woke up when early morning, my my
wife tries to you know, she's very good about like
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getting me outside, especially during like these COVID times where
you're working from home, and she's like, you know, it's
three o'clock and you have been outside today, Like we're
gonna go outside for a walk. So she wakes me
up and she's like, we're going to work out this morning.
And I don't even know what shirt I'm wearing, and
I was wearing it to like my first workout in
a long time, and I was like, oh yeah, I
think it was the last time I wrapped the I'm
fine was like coming coming from a workout, I definitely struggled,
(36:58):
struggled with it's a for the year, it's it definitely
a vibe um. It definitely works unfortunately unfortunately, but it's uh,
it's one of those things. So like what you can
think about it in a negative way because think about
it like we can overcome what exactly. Well, thank you
so much for this, Like I thoroughly enjoyed our entire
(37:18):
chat and went by so fast. So I would love
to have you back on any time, and I will
be checking your Instagram stories probably tonight so that I
can be up to speed with everything that happened in
the world today. Thank you so much for having me
a me. I appreciate it. I look forward to coming back.
Discussed the kind of year end thing, and then like
if we want to just like nerd out on nineties
television and like the television of our youth, Like there's
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a part of me that wants to start a podcast
just devoted if one doesn't exist, you might tell me
to like Era of television when like we still and
by the way, there's something to be said for the
fact that like in the mid nineties, like on any
given night, forty million Americans we're watching the Big Show,
like one out of five Americans or six Americans at
the time, we had these are collective experiences, and we
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don't have that anymore, because you're like, I'm an episode
two of the Apple TV show, I'm an episode three,
season four of the Hulu show. Like, we don't have
that anymore. You know what we used to call water
cooler conversation. Yeah, no, I mean, I've a daughter that's fourteen,
and we did. We used to have to sit around
and wait for things to come on. If it was
commercial break, we to get up and run and use
the bathroom as quickly as possible and then get a
(38:23):
snack and then dive to the sulfa so we didn't
miss anything, or we had to make sure we were
recording it on VHS. But her things are so easy
to get and there's so much content to consume, honestly,
and I feel like she represents a lot of what
teenagers are experiencing, or even young adults for that matter.
Of like this yes, instant gratification. I want to know
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exactly what happened. She started to go on YouTube and
watch recaps of movies or no, it's actual re enactments
or something that somebody puts together. It's almost like the
cliffs Notes version of a movie on YouTube and she
can watch, like she watched Benjamin Buttons in like ten
minutes because it was this recap thing on YouTube, and
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I just was like, what, No, why why wouldn't you
want to sit down and watch an entire movie? Mom?
Nobody has time for that. I don't think that years
from now, like you and I can sit here and
look back and be like, oh t G I F
and we get all these warm, fuzzy feelings about shows
that we really connected to. I feel like when my
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daughter's thirty forty years old, just gonna be like, uh,
you know, it's gonna be really hard for her to
have a deep connection or feeling to something. Did you
watch the Friends Reunion? Yes? Mary and I watched it
together with our friend's shirts on, and like we were
so excited, Like I was more of a Seinfeld person
than the Friends person in nineties. That's kind of like
a thing, right, Like which is your favorite. I was like,
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we my wife and I were saying emotional watching that,
like and you realize that the impact the show can
have and the memories you have, and to your point, like,
are there shows these days that folks are streaming that
like years from now, like the have our union and
you'll be in tears. I don't know. I don't know either.
I guess we'll have to wait and find out. You
know what. Friends reunion also showed me, which wait, what
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year were you born? Okay, so I was eighty one,
so we're basically the same age. And I watch Friends
all the time. I was watching it on Netflix and
when moved to HBO Max, like, I'm watching it there,
and so I'm constantly seeing them as the nineties and
early two thousands versions of themselves even to this day.
So then when they brought together for the reunion, You're like, wait,
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what what happened? Why are what? Why are they old
that that? Well all of them, it's just I mean,
I guess we've seen Jennifer Anderson in in in the
Morning Show, so but some of anyways, seeing them all
together is just a reminder too of like, Hey, you
and I were old too, but like I don't see
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it because we look at ourselves every day and I
feel like, oh, yeah, I'm basically the same as I
was in two thousand. It's like and no, I'm not.
I bet you you didn't. You didn't feel that in Vegas.
If you've been to Vegas enough, like like I have,
you can mark your aging and your metabolism based on
your experience in Vegas. Oh no, I had to book
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a chiropractor appointment before I went because I knew that
I was going to be in pain from wearing heels
all weekend. And then I have a follow up appointment
tomorrow to handle the damage that I did from wearing
heels all weekend. Vegas will make you realize your age
very quickly because you look you're like, wait, I'm going
to bed. People are headed out right now. Oh I
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used to be one of those people. How I met
your mother? Speaking of another show that like I obsessively
followed this more two thousand show did, Like I remember
an episode where like they talked about the stage you
hit when you go out and you become those people
who see a place to sit that like there's a
certain age where you can stand the entire time, and
you're like, I look at those people sitting, why don't
staying at the bar, And then at some point you're
like you scan a bar for places to sit, and
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then you're like, oh, I've become one of those people. Now, Yes,
time marches on, it's me okay. Well, thank you so much,
so much, so much, and we'll definitely be having you
back on and throw your Instagram handle out there one
last time for the people in the back. Yes, thank
you very much. At m os h e h at motion. Yes,
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that is where you will find the facts and I
appreciate them so thank you so much. Talk to you
later later
Okay, little food for you so life. Oh it's pretty Bay,
It's pretty beautiful. Thanks beautiful. That a little moth tighten
(00:25):
up you kicking four Okay. I am beyond pumped for
my guest today with first of all, Happy Thursday, everybody,
and we are joined by motion from Instagram. And you've
heard Mary and I talk about him a lot. If
(00:46):
she joins me for a fifth Thing episode, we're always
talking about. This is who you need to follow on
Instagram if you want all the news, so most I'm
gonna let you handle saying your full name. Well, first
of all, thank you so much for having I'm very
excited to be on with you. My name is Mosha
one you knew. But to make it easy for folks,
(01:06):
I just go by motion, okay, and go ahead and
spell your Instagram for everybody at m O s h
e h boom. And yes, for sure, if you're not
following him, you're missing out because I feel like you
do the best job in all of the the Instagram.
(01:26):
That sounds very old now in my personal opinion of
curating important topics from around the world, not just what
we're experiencing here locally in the US or you know,
really hot topic, like anything you turn on the news,
like you'll see but I feel like you give it
to us in a digestible way. It's funny because I've
been doing this now on Instagram for about a year
(01:48):
and a half. Started during COVID whenever, like my friends
and family were like, what's going on? What should I
be following? And I was like, well, let me just
try to break it down for you. This is what
you need to know today, this is what we don't know,
this is what we may know, and then expanded it
out to like a little bit of everything. And so
some of that is the stories that folks will DM
me about, like I want to know more about X,
(02:10):
Y or Z, and some is just generally just my interest, right.
So I tend to like foreign news, I tend to
like entertainment, I tend to like politics, and so I
try to mix in a little bit of what I
think people are asking about, what I know they're asking about,
and then things that I just find interesting out there.
There was one week that the met Gala was going on,
and I felt like I got like entertainment type news
(02:31):
but also mixed in with news out of Afghanistan that
I was, you know, wanting to stay current with So
I appreciate your accounts so much, and I'm just curious
in your opinion as we start to close out one like,
what comes to mind is maybe the top four stories
that we will forever remember one for because I feel
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like there's world events that happened where it's like, you
know where you were when that went down, what year
it was, what happened in your life that year. I
just curious what comes to mind for you. So let's
try to this chron chronologically. Four things. Well, the first
one I would go with is January six, right, and
I would think for the most part, people will know
six days into this year where they were when they
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heard about, you know, the riots and insurrection on the
US capital and what was going on that bit, which
was insane, like the fact that people were able to
get into the capitol and take it over. In a
sense like we saw that happen a little bit. It's
very different, but you look at images of in Afghanistan
like that happening. But people around the world, We're watching
our news that day and they were like, what in
(03:37):
the world is happening in America? Totally and by the way,
as somebody who covered Washington, like I went to college
in d C. Because I was interested in politics and journalism,
and then covered intern on Capitol Hill. Incidentally, my first
day mentionship was nine eleven. I evacuated the capital with
the senator I was working for, and then fast forward,
I covered Capitol Hill for my first job with the
Fox News Channel as a producer covering Congress, covering the
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House and Senate. So having walked those hallways and then
to see the images on television of just people rioting
and people, you know, this is like sovereign ground the
U S. Senate, Like average people can't walk on the floor.
It's just senators. You actually have to be a former president.
There's special rules I who can walk on the floor.
And you see like a guy with a shirt off
jumping on the chair. You know, like you see all
this stuff going on, and you're just shocked, especially as
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somebody who walked these hallways, who worked in this building.
It's wild to think about, and I feel like that's
something eventually, maybe we'll get a documentary about it to
explain more of how that even happened. I mean, now
we're getting more info about some stories from that day,
like the police officer that you know put on a
maga hat and lead the people in, because that was
(04:44):
his bright idea to maybe help get some of his
fellow police officers out, which is wild to think about.
But yes, So that's a documentary I'm looking forward to.
I'm sure they'll call it like American Crime Stories January six. Well,
after we get down with the Monica and Bill series,
they're gonna have to go with another. I am. I'm
absolutely watching. I can't wait for episode three this week.
It's one of those things where I wish I could
(05:06):
binge it, but we're having to wait every week, like
along with Ted Lasso And what about the Morning Show?
Do you watch that? I do watch the Morning Show?
In fact that I think as someone who worked in
morning television at CBS, I helped launch the Morning show,
our morning shows, he guess this morning. It is accurate
to the point of being triggering at times. Some of
the storylines that that unfold and the way the actors
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interact with one another the part that is really scary.
Actually when you're watching it, you're entertained by it, but
then you think about how this show was built based
on real stories. And like you're saying, it's hit, it's
triggering and hitting close to home. So I can only
imagine for certain women and people watching how triggering that
(05:48):
must be. Well, just seeing how the talent, beyond air
talent interacts with the senior producers and the younger producers.
I was at CBS almost ten years. I helped launch
of Morning Show and then eventually ran the CBS Evening News,
and so just having those various interactions the day to
day trying to manage curating the world's headlines and everything
that is important and interesting into a broadcast, but in
also dealing with the internal politics and personalities of people
(06:12):
in television, and it runs the gambutt. Now you mentioned
being on Capitol Hill during nine eleven. We just had
the anniversary, the twenty year anniversary, and watching a lot
of those documentaries that were popping up. I particularly loved
the one on Apple Plus nine eleven inside the President's
War Room. Did you see that? I didn't catch that? Okay, Well,
(06:34):
I enjoyed it because George Bush was on there and
Dick Cheney and Condolezea Rice, and it was their perspective
from that day. So I'm just curious since you were
there in d C. What was that day like for
you twenty years ago? Well, so, I was a college
student at the time. I was a sophomore in college
at at GW and was already kind of an aspiring journalist.
I was writing for the college newspaper. But like many
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students in d C, you go do an internship on
Capple Hill. It's kind of a thing you do you're
interested in politics. So showed up bright and early on
Capitol Hill that morning. I'm originally from the Chicago area,
and so I was interning for the senator senator from Illinois,
Dick Durbin, who happens to still be in the U. S. Senate.
And got there bright and early and was watching, like
many folks, one of the morning shows, the Today's Show.
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As I started to see the events unfolded New York
and then here planes might be headed literally towards the
building complex we're in, and so folks are like, get out,
get out sirens. Initially everything was calm, and then as
people start to realize that this is bigger than we
all thought, there were you know, kind of alarm bells
that went off inside the building and we evacuate the building.
I came back to campus. Landlines were down, cell phones
(07:38):
were clearly down, and for some of us, like a well,
instant messenger was like the main communication that day because
it's the only thing that was still functional. My mother
still has the instant messages I sent her by the
late morning. The first call that came through on the
landline was the college paper being like where are you.
There's like a story happening on campus and around Washington.
I'm like making good point. So I made way back
(08:00):
to the newspaper office, grabbed notebook, and then started to
walk around town and it just started to interview folks,
and I happened to run into one of the more
famous journalists in Washington. That happenstance. Her name was Helen Thomas,
and she's famous. She sat in the front row of
the White House briefings from forty years for a wire
service that was called U p I. She was there
for the Kennedy administration through the Bush administration. And I
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ran into her, and I remember getting a quote from
her that day, so covered that and I found that
one that having even a college press pass like a
piece of paper that we you know, ran a were
round my neck give me access to things, which is remarkable.
And I found almost also reporting and interviewing a coping
mechanism for stress. And I think I found the same
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thing twenty years later, almost twenty years later with COVID,
was I started to curate news on Instagram because that's
my way of managing the chaos around me, as if
I could report on it and start to understand it,
and that happened both in nine eleven and then later
with COVID. Then I'm able to you know, explain it
to my friends, family, which fulfills me in a way,
but also just help me internally, you know, understand what's
(09:04):
going on around me. Yeah, I mean, knowledge is so
much power, and for you, I could see where it
helps get you through it, especially if you're able to
use your gift of really understanding things and break them
down and then sharing it with family, friends and now
in the world with your news. And one of the
things that I always enjoyed about journalism is that it
allowed me to become a quick study in many things
(09:27):
like be ah whether they say like a mile wide
and n inch deep, and like on any given day
you wake up and there's a new story and it
might present a new issue, and it is your job
to become an expert in that topic as quickly as possible,
hoping that you have some background knowledge. But if you don't,
to talk to the folks you do so then you
can break it down for everybody else. Well, I'm thankful
that you do that because it certainly helps me. Now,
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I know, I asked you the top for four things
in the news that will be remembered in one and
you said January six, So chronologically, let's get to the
second thing. So the second thing, I'll say it's different
for everybody, but I would say, generally speaking, the vaccine
is the story of the year. The vaccine that came
earlier than anyone thought, that was already being distributed within
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eight months of us knowing what COVID was already the
first folks are getting the vaccine. And so for many folks,
if you've gotten the vaccine or it has become available
to you, you know where you were when you got it,
you know how you felt if you got it, and
you've seen the kind of everything unfold around it. So
I'd say, personally speaking, the vaccine rollout would be the
next story, and that kind of that takes you winter
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through spring. I feel like that's been something that's really dividing,
not that we already had enough divisiveness going on in
the country, but also to just the fact that, you know,
so many people are so passionate either way, and we're
not to get into you know, what we personally think.
I mean, I I personally vaccinated. I I've said that here.
I got the vaccine back in March, my first dose.
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It's remarkable, right, because when you think about it, actually
nine eleven was an interesting anniversary to go through recently
because a lot of what people remember is not only
where they were that day, but also how the country
came together afterwards, Right, what something that could have been
incredibly divisive given you know, there were questions afterwards about
what president didn't do enough to get bid laden and
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how this was allowed to happen. And you can imagine, unfortunately,
if something that happened today, how the sides would react
and wonder whether we could be as unified as we
were in the weeks and months following those attacks. And
so with COVID, we were again presented with a national,
frankly international challenge, and there was a moment. Briefly, I
felt like in the beginning where we were plotting the
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first responders and the doctors, and you did feel united.
But then, just given the nature of our times and
you could throw social media in the mix, the immediately
fighting a pandemic became a red blue issue in this country,
and unfortunately, when you look across the globe, we're much
more divide in this country about pandemic response than other countries.
Now that's not to say there aren't protests in other
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countries about that, you know, vaccine policy and shutdowns, especially
places like Australia, France, Italy, really all over the world,
but in terms of a division around the vaccine, the
US is one of the most prominent, I think behind
Russia right now, the most skeptical about the vaccine when
you look at at major Western countries, and so unfortunately,
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the rhetorch has become charged, the accusations have become charged,
those are elevated by social media, and it's it's unfortunate
because there's a Senator from New York named Daniel Patrick
moynihan who served for many years through the eighties early nineties,
and he had a quote at least the quote is
attributed to him that you're entitled to your own opinion,
but not your own facts. And I feel like we've
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reached a stage in this debate where there's two sets
of facts or multiple sets of facts, and then people
have opinions about those facts, and it's very hard to
find common ground when you can't even agree on the
basic facts. And unfortunately, you know, it comes at the
same time, you see a confluence of things, right, because
like people are skeptical about the media, people become very
divisive in their politics, and so naturally COVID and the
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response to it, and how each party has responded or
advocated things, and how the media has covered it all
mixes in there and it becomes, unfortunately, really toxic, and
you know, I think that I would hope that we
could agree on basic scientific facts. But at the same time,
we have this kind of unique situation where science is
figuring it out on the fly, right, because this pandemic
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is new and they're researching it on the fly, and
so people want certainty, and science itself is uncertain because
you just do research until you do research and you
discover things as they go on. And at a time
where we see immediate facts. I need a gratification and
frankly more important like can I go outside and how
is it? Say, like, to what extent is it safe?
And what can I do? And when there aren't answers,
fingers get pointed and so I don't know if I
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answered your question, Amy, but I just feel like, well, no,
I mean it just it helps explain some of the divisiveness.
And it makes me think of the echo chamber. That is,
if you're relying on Facebook or social media for some
of your content, it's cure, it's curated just for you,
things that you start to click on, and then you
start to see that and that's what's echoed, and then
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you believe that everybody else feels the way you do.
And then when you meet resistance and someone doesn't, then
you respond in this non compassionate really weird. I don't know,
just things that I've seen publicly, how people have handled
someone not agreeing with what they're saying, just seems so
almost Yeah, there's no compassion, there's no understanding. You know,
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we have a First Amendment in this country. You have
a right to free speech. You've a right to you know,
express your opinion as long as it, you know, doesn't
lead to violence. Right. The Supreme Court has ruled on
various limits of sorts to the First Amendment. But there
was a time where you can have a respectful debate,
whether you could have you know, lunch or dinner with
people who disagree with you, and politics didn't have to
come up, or folics did came up. You could have
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read to disagree respectfully, and you know, we can try
to look sociologically at what's new and what's changed in
the past. I don't know, twenty years does it feel
worse than the nineties? Still feel like at the time
you can have these discussions. I just feel like it's
you know, and then you can say, is the technology
is a social media To your point about echo chambers,
you know, these social media companies, even the one that
you know we we met on Instagram, is a place
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where they're encouraged to create a situation where you can
echo champe because it brings you. It means you're on
the platform longer. If there's opinions you agree with, you
tend to engage, and if you engage, you're there longer.
So these companies are incentivized to only give you accounts
and opinions that are like yours. But then what happens
is you live in that world for so long that
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you're shocked when you find out that's a whole world
of folks who disagree with you. It was very interesting
watching the California recall coverage last week, and they went
to the county that most voted to recall the governor
of California. Of course, he didn't end up getting recalled
right overwhelmingly. Californ is a democratic state. Republican party has
been in disarrayed for a long time, so he survived
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the recall. But they went to the county that voted
too to one to recall the governor. They were in
a state of shock, some of the the people they spoke to,
being like, how could this happen? Everyone I know hates
this guy because they happen to live in a place
and be on social media at a place where the
everyone agreed with them. They're literally living in the echo chamber.
You're living the echo chamber. So you're like, it must
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be fraud because everyone I know voted for him or
voted against him, So like, there's no legitimate explanation for
what took place. No, the ligeral explanation is drive to
the place, or go to the account, or go to
the media source, or go go to a place that
disagrees with you. It might be painful and annoying and frustrating,
but you know, we're all Americans, and so for us
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to better understand and to come to solutions, we have
to have a basic understanding for why the people who
disagree with us disagree with us. And I think just
to circle back to the vaccine too, and maybe some
of the debate and why they get so heated is
when you involve children in school and masks and this
and that, like what's required or if you work for
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a company that is requiring that you do it to
be able to do your job. But then that's where
it's kind of like, oh, well, shoot, now I don't
really feel like I'm getting to make a decision for myself.
So I understand that side of the debate. But sometimes
it's just how you're behaving when we're trying to express
yourself is where it gets weird. And it only makes
sense right because like what is COVID? COVID it impacts
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your health, it impacts your your politics, Like if you
impacts your economy, your small business if you can't open
your restaurant with so literally every aspect of life is
impacted by the thing that we've been confronting for the
past year and a half. So it totally makes sense
that people are are extremely passionate, there's a reason why
they believe what they do, and that they have little
to know empathy for the other side because ultimately, for them,
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it's life or death. It's life or death of their
family and friends, it's the life or death of their business.
And so that I think explain is the passion. But
it comes at the same time that America is dealing
with a lot of other challenges. All right, So for
the first thing that we'll remember in the news from
one you mentioned January six, second thing is vaccines. What's
the third thing? So the third thing I'd like to
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be slightly more uplifting, uh, And you know, I'm I'm
always a fan of following like compelling technological events that
down the road will potentially change the way that we interact, etcetera.
So the one thing that struck me is also kind
of a space nerd, is that this was the year
that we sent civilians into space. We sent a bunch
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of billionaires into space on their own rockets, right, Branson
went up, Jeff Bezos went up. And it's a true
game changer because, like think about it, like until this year,
I mean, you did have some private businesses working in space,
but it was a NaSTA thing. It's a government thing.
Countries went to space. Now individuals going to space and
companies going to space. And where does that go? We
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don't know. Is its space travel, is its space hotel?
Is there a technology that develops out of it? Is
the year when space became accessible for the average person. Now,
by the way, a real handful of folks, and some
of them happened and have a lot of zeros at
the end of their bank account. But that to me
is pretty remarkable. Yeah, No, I love that you shared
a little tell me something good. We were talking about
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it actually on the Bobby Bones Show this week because Lunchbox,
he's one of our co hosts. We had put him
in the raffle for St. Jude to send him to
space on the Civilian one. He didn't end up getting selected,
but we were so hopeful that he would have because
he was terrified and he didn't want to go, but
we were like, well, now that they landed and everything
was successful, would you have been okay with going knowing
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that you would have been okay? And he still was like, heck, no,
I'm not going to space. But it is wild to
think about that we're doing that now and it's only
gonna just be more of an opportunity for more and
more people to to do something like that. And then
it led us to a whole conversation of time travel
and the future and what we're gonna know. So that's
my very hard hitting question for you is do you
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believe in time travel? You know, it's so interesting because
I guess I hope for it. But then one would argue,
logically speaking that if time travel is to exist, wouldn't
someone from the future have come back at some point?
But do they have some other technology that like means
that they're invisible or whatever? Because you know, growing up,
one of my favorite movies was Back to the Future, which,
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by the way, incredible. I watched on a repeat on
like TBS or whatever all the time. All the Back
to the Future is, including that third one in the
Wild Class, which I didn't love, but you know, I
used to watch it and the soundtrack of Hugh Lewis
and the News and like a few of those songs
from that iconic first movie. And then there's a show
called Quantum Leap back in the nineties, and I just
remember being obsessed with an episode, and again this is
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pre DVR. I think the VCR. We just learned how
to record on the VCR, and I wanted to record
the episode where he goes back to the Kennedy assassination
that tries to prevent the Kenny assassination and just becoming
mesmerized by that episode and the idea of it. All Right,
so we've got January six, We've got vaccines, and then
we have space travel for everyday people like you and me.
I guess if if we we wanted to do that somehow,
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or we had a billion dollars, What is the fourth
thing that you see us remembering? News wise? So interesting?
Can I can I have to tie for the fourth
slot or okay, great? I just I don't know what
the rules are, so I want to make sure. So
we're gonna call them four things. But two things tied
for fourth place, and I think both are just important
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again as Americans and our role in the world. One
is climate change. The year that sort of whether it
rained seventeen inches in one town in Tennessee, rained ten
inches in two hours in New York City, Siberia is
on fire. However you want to believe we've gotten here.
Science has kind of come around and almost regardless of
your politics, now you acknowledge that the climate seems to
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be changing, It isn't what it once was. What do
we now do about it? How do we confront it,
how do we try to adapt to it, and how
do we try to reverse it? And I do feel
that like we've heard this talk for a long time.
We've heard the global warming, etcetera, etcetera. But this year,
one out of three Americans has been impacted by a
flutter or fire in some way. There was a time
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a couple of weeks ago when one out of four
states had an emergency declaration over it. Something is happening,
things that are changing, and we're gonna have to adjust
in some way. And so that's one item. So that's
negative in that this seems to be bad in some ways,
but good in that I feel like there's awareness of
it to the point where, you know, can we trust
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in science and can we trust in society that do
we need to make some changes before we have to
completely start to abandon parts of this country in this
world because the temperature is not going to allow it,
or the climate is going to change in a way
where we can't grow crops there anymore, or there's no
water in certain places anymore. So that would be item
one of the fourth fourth memorable thing. It is tied
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with um the story we've all been following it, all us,
which is Afghanistan. And that to me, we you know,
we we all followed that story. We all unfortunately, you know,
we might know somebody who fought there, We might know
somebody we lost there. We might know somebody on the
other side who was a civilian, whether you know a U. S. Veteran,
foreign veteran, or civilian who was in the ground there.
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It was that sort of kind of end to the
nine eleven story in a way, and the twenty years
since eleven because we went into Afghanistan because of the
events of nine eleven and bid Latin being there. But
the larger thing there is you think about it is
what is the US role in the world since World
War Two? Since we helped win and led winning World
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War Two along with the Russians. The US role in
the world is we're here to fix things in a
certain way where the police officer for the world. We're
here to prevent what took place twice in the first
half of the twenty century. We two world wars, and
we kind of make sure there's not a third one.
Given word, technology had gotten and you saw with what
took place in Afghanistan in our departure that maybe there
needs to be a reconsideration of what our role is,
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what our capacity is. And so you know, those are
among the things I thought about as you watch those events,
is you know, it's in terms of those pictures from
Vietnam and people watching them mid seventies are excitent form Vietnam,
and then fifty years later, you know, seeing some of
those similar images in Afghanistan, what do we want to do?
What do we want to risk our blood and our treasure?
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Uh and you know, our young men and women to
do and what challenges that those present because at the
same time you see the suffering of the people there
and unfortunately the clampdown you already have seen on women's
rights and a whole variety of things over there? What
is the American role when it comes to that when
you see suffering locally or you see unfairness. Do we
have the capacity to be able to help everyone everywhere
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all the time. We we don't. And so there's a
certain reality check that I think it made us all
kind of have last month. Well, it's only September now,
and I've kind of unfairly asked you to give me
your top four things from the news because we have
three more months where something could happen thrown in so
I'll have to just have you back on later in
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the year. I love last week in December. We could
do a real comprehensive list by then on that ten items,
since I just, you know, admittedly fit five things into
four things. But yeah, I mean, but but it's it's
really remarkable because you know, we thought was this kind
of unique year, like, oh, well, you know, things will
get back to normal after that, and you realize that
every year now there's going to be a handful of
those really memorable things, and you hope that regardless of
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whether we could have prevented it, not prevented it, how
we could have reacted better, and hopefully there's lessons learned
that helped educate us and on a human level and
on a government level, to ensure that we can learn
the lessons of and hope that we learned them letter
than better than the lessons of. I had reposted something
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someone put up on Instagram and you reacted to it
in my d M s. But it had said not
to be rude. But Rissa explained none of this. I
love if you if you know a certain era of
nineties television, there's incredible little like iconic moments, And I
know who those followers are. When I put up like
Saved by the Bell memes and Clarissa plains at all
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the glory days of the nineties and nineties television, I
know I feel like some people hearing that right now
and they might be like, wait what, But like you said,
Clarissa explains, it all was a show from the nineties.
And then anything say by the Say by the Bell.
You know. I saw Mario Lopez this last weekend. I
was in Vegas for I Heart Radio Music Festival and
he was there. Always obviously makes me think of Mario.
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My favorite say by the Bell quote or one of
them is what is art? Is art? Art? From Lisa Turtle.
You don't know, yes, yes, I thought you're gonna go
with the Jesse Spano. I'm so excited. I'm so scared.
You know. I was looking over recently because I followed
this Twitter account called retro news Now, and it's literally
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devoted to every day of the week. It's it's often
where I find my on this day in history, and
it's like a little bit of everything. It's like, here's
the New York Times on this day from the Titanic
thinking and then like this was the day Baywatch premiered.
Like it's a little bit of everything every day, and uh,
they do a remarkable job of like tracking pop culture,
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like what was number one of the Billboard? Where were
the shows that premiered? And it reminded me when I
saw the Saved by the Bell one recently whatever anniversary
it was that like the show was only on for
like three seasons. Um, it only had like a couple
dozen episodes. But yet, like I think it repeated so
often that people are like, you know, oh, yeah, no,
I mean it's a huge part of my childhood. So yeah,
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I had no idea was only three seasons? Is that
including um college years? No college years are separate. And
then there was the Good Morning Miss Bliss proceeding year
when they were suddenly they were in Indiana, and then
suddenly by season two they all moved to California. So
how well do you think you would do? Want to
show like Jeopardy. It's so interesting because I tried out
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twice where I only got through the first round, and like,
I'm like, okay, I got geography, I got history, I
got like current offense politics, and then the area that
I've I do need to brush up on is like
literature and art, where I'm like, I know enough, like
I can get a money and a Shakespeare reference or
it Dickens reference. But like it actually turns out, based
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on talking to somebody who produced over there, that like
the initial rounds to be eligible for Jeopardy are actually
much harder than the actual Jeopardy. So you might think
that like, oh, I could crush Jeopardy. I did really
well tonight, you know, sitting in my living room, But
the test to go into Jeopardy are I found to
be much more complicated. I don't know, just listening to
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talk and then following you on Instagram, like yeah, he'd
be the guy or like if I was on I
had some competition, I would be calling you, like we
did a family feud. Yeah, you're my phone of friend.
Yes you are. Bobby like he's a he's a wealth
of knowledge. I feel like some hims he just reads
something once and then he knows it. But we did
with Bobby and the show. We did family food once
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and that game is pressure. Do you ever watch that
with Steve Harvey? I mean I remember growing up with it.
What was his name, Rich something? Who hosted it like
back in the eighties, nineties? Oh did he also do
Love Connection? Yes, Okay, yeah, I can't think. I mean
I remember growing up with that, and then I will
watch it once in a while with Steve Harvey. I
mean the thing is like usually i'll grab like something
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that's number three or number four on the board. The
number one is a hard it's a hard one. Yeah,
it is hard to get to. So I normally have
guests and by sharing four things that they're thankful for,
but I am testing out getting specific with people. So
I would love for you to share a book that
you're thankful for, a TV show on Instagram or Twitter follow,
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which you kind of just gave us retro news now,
but maybe you have another one that you think is awesome,
and then a food or drink, like, especially now that
it's fall. I don't know if there's something you're particularly
thankful for. Okay, So category one is book I'm gonna
throw back because I think it explains when people are like, well,
how did you give this news thing? And I was like,
let me tell you that. When I was five years old,
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I would sit on the floor of my grandmother's apartment
and I became obsessed with the World Atlas, like memorizing
world capitals and flags and then drawing the flags and
tracing the countries, and so people like, who's this kid
to my parents, like he's obsessed with the with the
World Atlas, and we would we lived above a basketb
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Robin's ice scream shop in suburban Chicago, and my dad
would give me or fifty cents or whatever was from
ice cream going back in the late eighties, and I'd
come back with the Chicago Tribune instead of the ice cream.
And so I would say that book The World Atlas
kind of opened my eyes to the world, and it's
probably one of the reasons why I got into the
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business that I did and why it became so interested
in the world and what happens around me. So it's
not it's not a read if you will, It's a
lot of maps and explanations and statistics. But guess that
would be my most most memorable thing. And I my
grandfather passed away years ago, gave me a New World
Atlist for my it was my sixth birthday and there's
a beautiful inscription that he wrote at the top where
he's like, you know, I'm giving you the world and
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but it's like, how many first graders are being given
a World Walist by their grandfather for their birthday gift?
But that, to me was probably the most impactful book,
at least that I started out with. So what about
a TV show? There was a show for about seven
seasons on NBC called The West Wing. Okay, we have
a fellow, a West Wing fan here, Yes, that's me.
I'm giving a thumbs up to him on zoom. It's
so good, so good, And I started watching that. I
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think it came out probably when I was a freshman
in high school, and it just that is another thing
that opened my eyes to like, wow, this is how
Washington works, and it was very inspirational, right, You got
this feeling if you watch it now, you might be like,
that's what politics was like politics, you know, it feels
such so dirtier these days than that. It was in
this kind of aspirational West Wing that Aaron Sorkin developed,
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and you know Martin Sheen as the president. But that
was I was obsessed with that show. You know again,
I believe nine pm on Thursday nights must see t
v NBC after Sign Felled and Friends and um trying
to remember. I think Willa and Grace was that night too,
but they might have been Wednesdays with Matt about you.
I was a latch key kid. I watched a lot
of television as a kid, but if I had to
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choose it as a West Wing had this impact to
like open my eyes to Washington and say, I got
to see about this place. This place seems amazing and
you can have a real impact. So I did not
watch West Wing in high school, but I was a
late watcher. I streamed it later. So I'm just encouraging
people if that's something you want to check out and
you want something to watch for a very long time.
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There are one million episodes, but I love that that
was your favorite show, like while you're still in high school.
I was watching, you know, Dawson's Creek. I was also
watching Gosson's Creek. If you remember the show Third Rock
from the Sun. I remember really liking that Home Improvement.
Then there was the t g I Friday Lineup, Boy
Meets World, and Full House and Family Matters, Family Matters
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with Herkell. Yeah, I watched a lot. And then if
people remember early cable in the nineties, they didn't have
new programming yet, so networks like FX and an E
and AMC bought like these backlog of shows. So I
got really into like watching old episodes of The Green
Hornet and Batman and Wonder Woman from the sixties and seventies,
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Love Boat, Gilligan's Island, the Honeymooners, Night Cord from the eighties.
I don't actually my mother. I was posting on Instagram
like favorite shows or polls from the eighties, nineties, seventies,
and mothers like when did you have time to watch
all these shows? I clearly was not paying at to
That's what I'm wondering. Okay, so what about your like
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an Instagram follow that you are thankful for so really recently,
I am thankful for an account that is run by
a woman named Sharon McMahon called Sharon Says. So she
also started amid uh covid. She's a former American government teacher.
She's based in Minnesota, and she blew up. She's got
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like seven hundred thousand people who follow her now and
she's kind of dubbed herself America's government teacher. But she
took to specifically using her Instagram account to explain all
things like the election and the Supreme Court and how,
especially in the kind of aftermath of the election, how
things work. And then she was also dealing a lot
with the kind of the Q and on theory is
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and like explaining like why that's not possible, and why
why is that possible? And why is he's not possible? Anyway,
insidantly I take with her podcast. Recently, I had her
on Instagram live. We had a wonderful conversation. She has
an incredible way about explaining everything, and we both share
this kind of devotion to the facts and truth without
to the best of our abilities, um showing any bias
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or partisans slant. Of course, you know, bias is what
it is. We are who we are, where we're from,
where we live, our experiences, our education, but that our
allegian first is to the truth into the facts and
to try to explain things also in a nonsensational way.
So I'm very thankful for her, and I find her
account extremely extremely helpful and useful. Wall to check it out.
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And lastly, food or drink? Are you a pumpkin spice latte? Guy?
I will have a pumpkin spice latte. It's not like
I woke up whenever it was in August, but suddenly,
you know, Dunking Donuts and Starbucks haven't available. I'm like,
oh my god, that's like Christmas morning. Coffee is great.
I actually will say that I went apple picking with
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my wife over the weekend, and I am thankful just
thinking this weekend for apple cider, which I hadn't thought about.
It's very seasonal. My wife we got married over the summer,
and you know, we annually apple pick, and so we
went to the orchard and had I think they actually
this year they had like a frozen apple cider, which
like a slushy, which is very delicious, And so I
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am grateful for her for bringing me there and everything
that she does. It also for apple cider and what
a fun date idea for people too, if they're listening
right now, something to get outside and go do something
seasonal and then have potentially depending I guess where you
do it, have some apple cider to enjoy. Mary and
I make these four Things fall pullovers and we have
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a marooned one and apple ciders on there. We can
send great minds, great minds. It probably has other girling
stuff on there that you would not wear. I don't
really know that you would wear a fault full over,
but I know you have repped your I'm fine, it's fine,
everything is fine. Four Things shirt before so I have
funny enough. I woke up when early morning, my my
wife tries to you know, she's very good about like
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getting me outside, especially during like these COVID times where
you're working from home, and she's like, you know, it's
three o'clock and you have been outside today, Like we're
gonna go outside for a walk. So she wakes me
up and she's like, we're going to work out this morning.
And I don't even know what shirt I'm wearing, and
I was wearing it to like my first workout in
a long time, and I was like, oh yeah, I
think it was the last time I wrapped the I'm
fine was like coming coming from a workout, I definitely struggled,
(36:58):
struggled with it's a for the year, it's it definitely
a vibe um. It definitely works unfortunately unfortunately, but it's uh,
it's one of those things. So like what you can
think about it in a negative way because think about
it like we can overcome what exactly. Well, thank you
so much for this, Like I thoroughly enjoyed our entire
(37:18):
chat and went by so fast. So I would love
to have you back on any time, and I will
be checking your Instagram stories probably tonight so that I
can be up to speed with everything that happened in
the world today. Thank you so much for having me
a me. I appreciate it. I look forward to coming back.
Discussed the kind of year end thing, and then like
if we want to just like nerd out on nineties
television and like the television of our youth, Like there's
(37:40):
a part of me that wants to start a podcast
just devoted if one doesn't exist, you might tell me
to like Era of television when like we still and
by the way, there's something to be said for the
fact that like in the mid nineties, like on any
given night, forty million Americans we're watching the Big Show,
like one out of five Americans or six Americans at
the time, we had these are collective experiences, and we
(38:02):
don't have that anymore, because you're like, I'm an episode
two of the Apple TV show, I'm an episode three,
season four of the Hulu show. Like, we don't have
that anymore. You know what we used to call water
cooler conversation. Yeah, no, I mean, I've a daughter that's fourteen,
and we did. We used to have to sit around
and wait for things to come on. If it was
commercial break, we to get up and run and use
the bathroom as quickly as possible and then get a
(38:23):
snack and then dive to the sulfa so we didn't
miss anything, or we had to make sure we were
recording it on VHS. But her things are so easy
to get and there's so much content to consume, honestly,
and I feel like she represents a lot of what
teenagers are experiencing, or even young adults for that matter.
Of like this yes, instant gratification. I want to know
(38:44):
exactly what happened. She started to go on YouTube and
watch recaps of movies or no, it's actual re enactments
or something that somebody puts together. It's almost like the
cliffs Notes version of a movie on YouTube and she
can watch, like she watched Benjamin Buttons in like ten
minutes because it was this recap thing on YouTube, and
(39:05):
I just was like, what, No, why why wouldn't you
want to sit down and watch an entire movie? Mom?
Nobody has time for that. I don't think that years
from now, like you and I can sit here and
look back and be like, oh t G I F
and we get all these warm, fuzzy feelings about shows
that we really connected to. I feel like when my
(39:25):
daughter's thirty forty years old, just gonna be like, uh,
you know, it's gonna be really hard for her to
have a deep connection or feeling to something. Did you
watch the Friends Reunion? Yes? Mary and I watched it
together with our friend's shirts on, and like we were
so excited, Like I was more of a Seinfeld person
than the Friends person in nineties. That's kind of like
a thing, right, Like which is your favorite. I was like,
(39:47):
we my wife and I were saying emotional watching that,
like and you realize that the impact the show can
have and the memories you have, and to your point, like,
are there shows these days that folks are streaming that
like years from now, like the have our union and
you'll be in tears. I don't know. I don't know either.
I guess we'll have to wait and find out. You
know what. Friends reunion also showed me, which wait, what
(40:07):
year were you born? Okay, so I was eighty one,
so we're basically the same age. And I watch Friends
all the time. I was watching it on Netflix and
when moved to HBO Max, like, I'm watching it there,
and so I'm constantly seeing them as the nineties and
early two thousands versions of themselves even to this day.
So then when they brought together for the reunion, You're like, wait,
(40:29):
what what happened? Why are what? Why are they old
that that? Well all of them, it's just I mean,
I guess we've seen Jennifer Anderson in in in the
Morning Show, so but some of anyways, seeing them all
together is just a reminder too of like, Hey, you
and I were old too, but like I don't see
(40:49):
it because we look at ourselves every day and I
feel like, oh, yeah, I'm basically the same as I
was in two thousand. It's like and no, I'm not.
I bet you you didn't. You didn't feel that in Vegas.
If you've been to Vegas enough, like like I have,
you can mark your aging and your metabolism based on
your experience in Vegas. Oh no, I had to book
(41:10):
a chiropractor appointment before I went because I knew that
I was going to be in pain from wearing heels
all weekend. And then I have a follow up appointment
tomorrow to handle the damage that I did from wearing
heels all weekend. Vegas will make you realize your age
very quickly because you look you're like, wait, I'm going
to bed. People are headed out right now. Oh I
(41:30):
used to be one of those people. How I met
your mother? Speaking of another show that like I obsessively
followed this more two thousand show did, Like I remember
an episode where like they talked about the stage you
hit when you go out and you become those people
who see a place to sit that like there's a
certain age where you can stand the entire time, and
you're like, I look at those people sitting, why don't
staying at the bar, And then at some point you're
like you scan a bar for places to sit, and
(41:51):
then you're like, oh, I've become one of those people. Now, Yes,
time marches on, it's me okay. Well, thank you so much,
so much, so much, and we'll definitely be having you
back on and throw your Instagram handle out there one
last time for the people in the back. Yes, thank
you very much. At m os h e h at motion. Yes,
(42:12):
that is where you will find the facts and I
appreciate them so thank you so much. Talk to you
later later
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