March 4, 2021 • 30 mins
Lauren Daigle is on for all 4 things today! FIRST THING: We all have some markers in life that forever changed us. Lauren shares one of her most memorable markers and how God created a beautiful shift in life. SECOND THING: "Hold On To Me" released on Feb. 26th and is Lauren's latest gift of music to the world. It's a song about coming together and remembering that being with each other and being there for each other is what life is truly about. THIRD THING: Amy talks "intentional wellness" with Lauren and asks her how she cares for herself mind, body and spirit. FOURTH THING: Lauren tells us 4 things she is grateful for!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Okay, cast up than little food for you. So life
ain't oh it's pretty, but it's pretty beautiful than that
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A little mouse kick with four brown all right, super
excited to have Lauren Dagle on with us for all
four things today. And Lauren, we're going to get into
turning points in life. I want to talk about your
new song hold on to Me. Also intentional wellness like mind, body,
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and spirit, what you do for each of those, and
then gratitude. I would love to hear four things that
you're thankful for first things right. Okay, So, Lauren, I
have some markers in my life or I definitely experienced something,
whether it was positive or negative, but I was forever
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changed by it. So I'm just curious if you have
any memorable turning points that you would want to share
that could also be encouragement to people of just different
things that happen in life and how all things can
work for good if we surrender to God. I love
that I've talked about this before, but it always just
brings me back to the purpose and brings me kind
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of back to the center. When I was in high school,
I was diagnosed with the autoimmune deficiency and I was
placed on homebound for two years, and I remember in
that process, I would look up people that they had
some obstacle to overcome, and I remember in that saying,
I'm going to not allow this to be the thing
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that holds me back, but the platform in which I've
propelled from, because hardship has the ability to either overtake
you and overcome you, or you have within you what
you're supposed to do to overcome it. And so I
remember laying in bed one day in particular, I'm saying, like, Godwin,
is this going to end? And I think the panic
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was starting to set in of how long am I
really going to be living like this? After that moment,
I started getting all these pictures, like whether it was
being on stage or audiences, tour buses, awards, charts like
whatever it looked like. And I was not involved in
anything music Like. I went to an academic forward school
like go be a doctor, go be a lawyer, that
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sort of thing, college preparatory, and I we didn't really
have a distinct arts program, so I wasn't even thinking
anything with music. And the more I started seeing these pictures,
it was like this hope that was set into motion
and I would start dreaming about those things, and it
music literally lifted me out of bed. And I remember
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just walking around at my parents house when I was
a kid, coming up with different melodies, or I would
go and stand in the shower and sing Joss Stone
as hard as I good, you know, like her cover
is son of a Breacher Man. I love it. And
so I just remember very poignant moments where I had
to choose, Okay, how do I get out of this scene?
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And God was so faithful to be my friend in
that process, like he genuinely felt like a confidante. Like
it was like every time I questioned something, a picture
would flood my mind. And I think we can underestimate
those things and say, oh, that's just your imagination, But
for me it was answers. It felt like I was
being answered to the questions that I had, So that
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I would say was a milestone moment that really pointed
me in the direction that now I'm not seeing all
of those pictures come to pass. The imagination is so important.
Of course, I think that God gave us aw her
imaginations and that's how you can use it. But sometimes
when we're not imagining, when we're not using that that's
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when we're stuck. And I think for me, I've been
doing a lot of reflecting on that lately. Of like,
as kids, we use our imaginations a lot, Lord willing
if kids are able to be kids and be free
and run wild as they should. But as we grow
older and all these other responsibilities and life events and
trauma and different things that just pile on, it can
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get suppressed. But I think it's important to remind adults, yes, like,
try to tap into your imagination as much as possible,
because that that's what we need, is more imagination. I agree.
It's interesting there's something about the brain where when trauma comes,
that imaginative element of the brain can just become quiet.
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And I think in the process of health kind of
taking on traumas or taking on pains or grievances really
staring them down so that these imaginative places can be
nourished again and brought back to the fullness again. I
noticed that I wasn't dreaming a lot once I got
into the music industry, and with criticism, and uh, criticism
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hurts and it makes you not want to dream, or
being forced into an environment of constantly being productive, like
I don't really have the beauty now of just creating
for the sheer enjoyment of creating. There's kind of a
price tag on that. So how do I navigate this
youthful spirit that was brought into this this kind of vigilant,
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aggressive industry. And in that I found myself just not
dreaming very often. And I noticed, Man, when I'm not dreaming,
I'm only half alive. Like that part of me is
so much of who I am. How do I water
and nourish and let the seeds of dreaming in imagination
kind of begin to grow again. And it really is
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saying no to fear and not letting fear be the
place that dictates what you think about, because for me,
there's a lot of fear of failure now that success
has come, success however you want to define that, But
there's the kind of outward appearance that is supposed to
be maintained at all times, and it's a lot of
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pressure to live under. And so when you're constantly imagining
or dreaming about someone else's critique of view or thought
of you, or the way that how the world see me.
Now that's on an everyday scale. Now that we have
social media, it's not just for like people with a platform,
it's literally anybody can feel the weight of that. And um,
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I was talking with a friend the other day about
origin of thought, like, how often do we really have
an original thought anymore? That isn't brought about because we
are comparing ourselves to something else. So with this kind
of quest for an origin of thought, I realized I've
got to start dreaming again. And I missed those places
that when I was a kid, I was just walking
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around the house singing because of this year enjoyment of
singing and dreaming and imagining places to go. And so
getting that back looked like this. It was telling fear,
you're not going to dictate my next thought. You're not
going to dictate how I approached the world. I'm going
to instead say how would I dream about this moment
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and then put myself in that space, because dreaming can
be intimidating when you're fearful that it won't happen. It's
just being childlike and wasteful. It's wasting time, it's wasting
your thought. But I think the more we're in touch
with that, the more joy we actually bring into what
we're doing in our everyday lives. Yeah, and I'm super
thankful that when you were faced with adversity in high school,
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that was that turning moment for you and you went
on a trajectory that you maybe would have never been on.
And so I think, again, it's just something where people,
not all of us are gonna be international superstars like
you um singing all over the world. It might not
be that, it might be something else. And somebody listening
right now might not be in high school. They might
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be fifty six years old, but some they're facing some
sort of adversity. But how can this be a turning
point for me? Or maybe something amazing has happened, But
it's like, how how can I still use this to
its best potential? Where is this going to take me next?
And how am I going to manage it? And how
am I going to handle it? You're able to bring
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people so much comfort with your music. There's so much
purpose and what you put out, and that's a gift
we gained because of unfortunately the suffering you had to
go through, but you allowed it to be used for good. Wow,
thank you for that. Those words. Gosh, that's like nourishment.
That's nourishment. For the dreamer right there. I love that
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so much. That means a lot to me. Thank you
so much for saying that you're welcome. Okay, So one,
let's talk about hold On to Me, which released February.
Congratulations and that, by the way, thank you so much. Yeah,
I wanna play a quick clip for people. So here
it is, don't to me when it's too done to
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see you when I'm sure. I hold on to me
when I bucket, I need you when I let go
o me. Okay, okay, So tell us what hold on
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to Me is all about for you? For me, hold
on to Me is about being the person that sits
in the corner, unsure of where they're going next, unsure
of who they are, unsure of their potential, and having
people come alongside you and support you and encourage you.
And that can look like an array of different things.
And I'll say this, I feel like I have had
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moments where I wasn't my best self, where I couldn't
see a positive potential in my actions, whether it was
hurting friendships or whether it was just choosing things that
weren't life giving. There were moments of that in my
if that were also pretty poignant. I had friends that
came alongside of me and they noticed the pit I
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was in, and instead of you know, judgment and ridicule,
they stood by me and they said, you might not
see who you are, but we all do, and we're
just gonna wait with you in this journey. And I
think the world needs those people right now, because we
can see opposition, we can see pain, we can see disappointment,
we can see discouragement on so many people. And there
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is nothing like someone that comes alongside you and just
holds you in the process, versus rushing you along. I
think there's a difference in that exchange. The fixer. Those
are great people, and there's something beautiful about that. But
the people who sit with you, even in the midst
of adversity, even in the midst of pain, even in
the midst of questioning, that is something that is so divine.
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And so it's interesting how it actually naturally will quicken
your steps and naturally put air inside your lungs. So
this song, for me, it's about those people. When when
you feel the worst of who you are is constantly
rising to the surface, what does it look like for
someone to sit in the way of that or when pain,
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when sorrow has common and has given you a new identity.
What does it look like when someone comes and sits
with you in the middle of sorrow and says, it's okay,
we can sit here for a little while because joy
is coming. And when joy comes, I'll rejoice with you
as well. So that's kind of the narrative of why
that song was written. We have been talking on the
podcast lately about ways to compliment people without talking about
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their looks, and I know that's not what this song
is about by any means, but one of the examples
is just people that are in your life, like just
so we can take the focus off appearance and just
you know, remind people like why you like me around them,
Like I love your personality, You're so creative, your laugh
is contagious. This is a song that maybe some friends
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could use to send to those friends in their life,
those people, those people that are there for them in
those moments, and this song can be a little gift
like of saying, hey, thanks for being in my life,
like you're you're one of those people, and like it's
a way to make them feel good about, you know,
being that person for you or you know if you
have a group of friends or something, yes, and I
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think eradicating loneliness. I used to say to my team, Okay,
if there's one one mission I'm on this planet for,
it would be to eradicate loneliness. And there's so many
different ways that that's possible. But for me, this song,
it can lend like a comforting blanket feel to people
who feel like no one will ever understand me. No
one will ever understand this scenario. I'm in an isolated experience.
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The world has been isolated for a year now, and
how do we remind people like, no, no, no, You're
being held. You're being held in this moment. That's something
that I really want people to feel in the midst
of listening to this song, like you're not alone, you're
not isolated, and you're being held along the way. Awesome
love that well. I want to encourage everyone to go
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get hold on to me, stream it, download it. However
you consume music. Sometimes I feel like I show my
age when I'm like go to iTunes downloaded, Like I'm
not like the cool the cool kid anymore. I'm the
girl that loves to buy music. I'm like, I literally
just had a conversation that with my manager the other day.
I was like, how do we incentivize people to buy music?
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Not so that we can get rich and all that stuff.
Literally for this, I remember when I would sit down
in my parents house, I would scrub toilets, I would
sweep the floors. I would do anything to get money
so that I could go to the local Walmart or
f y E or whatever and get a CD. And
it was this like moment of I cannot wait for
this music to come out. I don't know how. I mean,
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you're literally counting down until you get enough money to
go grab a CD. I just want teenagers to be
able to experience that, or like middle schoolers to be
able to experience like going out and purchasing something or
having to purchase a song or purchase a CD. It's
an anticipation and it's an investment that makes you love
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it so much more, you know. I know kids these days,
they won't even know about like putting in a c
D and scratching a c D. Oh my gosh. I
would be devastated if I was. I was driving my
Bronco in high school and I would be listening to
c D and it started skipping, and then I would
take it out to come to find out somehow it
got scratched. It was the worst, Yes, the worst. I remember.
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I would do the whole slam the radio, like slam
it to try to get it, like maybe if I
hit it a couple of times, it'll like re skip
back into place. You know. Gosh, I love those memories.
They're so they are so sweet. Now everything is so digital,
it's like, Okay, how do we infuse that sentiment even
in this kind of space? But who knows. I know,
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we're just gonna have to keep going with the flow.
That's right. Do you have part of your daily routine
you could share with us that helps check that box
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of wellness for you? Absolutely? So. Actually, this is a
perfect morning to kind of give an example. I'm laughing
because this doesn't always happen, but this morning in particular
was kind of the quintessential perfect morning in quotes. You know,
I woke up a little bit earlier than I had planned.
We had a late night last night doing the video
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edits for the new song Hold Onto Me, and I
went to bed late and I woke up and I
was like, I wasn't quite ready to wake up. So
I'm not a big Instagram swiper, right, especially in the morning.
I think it just kind of starts your day off
a little funky. But I found myself looking at like
Pinterest or different things. And here I am going through
all of these kind of artistic expressions or furniture, art
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and design. And I know this is kind of like
a segue, but I think that spiritual principles. For me,
I'm someone who's a creative so I get so inspired
richly whenever I can do something with arts. Right, So
here I am laying in bed, I'm looking at all
these things. I mean I was in bed for like
two hours looking at furniture. Okay, just I'm so intrigued
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by art. And as I'm I get up and I'm like,
I'm gonna go on a walk, wildest piece. So I'm like,
I put my headphones on and I'm walking around the block.
Not typically I don't listen to music. I kind of
like to just listen to the birds or feel the sung.
I listened to cars pass and things like that, but
I was like, I just want to listen to music,
and for me, my particular spiritual practice is listening to
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worship music. So I like, turn on this song and
I couldn't get enough, so I put it on repeat,
and I'm noticing I'm like skipping through the streets right,
and I get back to my condo and I'm still
just so alive. And I think the reason why from
a spiritual context is I feel like I was made
with like creative DNA. You know, there's people that are
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made with like business DNA or math, radical DNA, artistic DNA.
Right for me, it's anything creative. So I was able
to take these aesthetics that I was visually seeing and
then go on my walk and imagine and dream and
listen to worship music and let that exchange kind of
be part of I don't know, the spiritual process in
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the day, if that makes sense. Every time I sit
down and I think about what is something that is
built inside of each one of us that's just natural,
like that God designed into who we are. Whenever I
think how do I reflect on that or how do
I operate in that throughout my day, That's when I
feel the most spiritually connected to God. That's when I
feel like, oh, this is where kind of purpose enjoy
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a line. And so for me as simple as it
is like the furniture, the furniture of my heart. This
is the furniture of my soul, right the furniture in
the rooms of who I am looking at those pieces
and looking online and stuff, and then marrying them to
kind of the process with the Lord in the morning.
That's that's what I love to do, whether it's something
you know, like furniture or just something creative in general.
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I feel like a lot of times when I approached
my spiritual routine, it's often with the arts, like looking
at something beautiful. Reading. I've been doing this spiritual practice
where you're supposed to read a certain amount of chapters.
It's like the Bible in a year or something, and
here I am going through it. Now. I am not
the fastest reader, but I found myself so intrigued by
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the stories that I couldn't get enough, Like I wanted
to move on to the next chapter. And if you
know anything about me, reading is not my strong suit
like at all. But I just was so enamored by
the stories and the characters and seeing God kind of
weave who he is into the lives of all of
these people that I was discovering in the Bible. It
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makes you approach humanity in a different way. It makes
you see his love for people and his love for
our interactions with each other and unity and things like that.
So yeah, well that may tie into what you do
for yourself mentally as well. I mean, really, with your
crazy lifestyle, how are you intentional about quieting your mind?
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Especially as a creative it can often be running ideas
left and right. Once it comes to you, I'm sure
it's hard to stop it. So how do you slow
down mentally and making sure that you're giving yourself that break?
When I say, it goes so fast, Like there are
times where I'm like, is this okay? Like hopefully this
is okay. It goes so fast. I'll be in the
middle of a sentence and just I have four sentences
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going on in my brain at the same time. Right, So,
here are some practical things that are super simple that
I actually recognize myself doing because I can often think
twenty steps ahead of the game. I heard this is
like some military practice. I don't know if this is
exactly right, but I start at the top of my
head and go all the way down to my feet
and just imagine everything exhaling, like every part of me
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just like becoming softened, because a lot of times when
your mind is rushing, your body is kind of getting
into this state of anxiety, even though it's not anxious,
it's just accelerated things are uplifted, right. So I've just
kind of gotten into the practice of start at your
head and go all the way down to your toes
and quiet everything calm, like actually think about calming yourself.
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And then at the end of that mental exercise, I'll
take a deep inhale and exhale. It might happen five
times in the middle of the day, it might happen
in the process of this recording right now. You know,
there are times where I just have to take It's
just a two second break. Nobody else would ever notice.
But I've really studied stress, and I've learned about stress,
especially in the process of being on the road and
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touring and being in the studio and crazy kind of hours.
And so with that, I've said, Okay, I've got to
start thinking of very simple, practical, pragmatic ways to kind
of eliminate stress when I find that it's accumulating. And
so that's just one like simple thing I do and
then when it comes to time. There are days where
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I'm off to the races the second I put my
feet on the floor. But there are other days where
I really cut and carve out a time. And this
is kind of funny, but I tell my team, like,
I'm not going to start until eleven, So every day
they know, if it's before eleven o'clock, um, I've find
Australia or something. You know, it's like it's very rare
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that things happened before eleven o'clock. Because I like to
have just that window of carbon ountains in. I'll be
better not only today, but ten years down the road
if I know that I can wake up and have
just a moment to collect myself, a moment to refresh
to start the day, to kind of wake up slow,
and then I'm invigorated into the day versus already starting
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off on the wrong foot. I think mornings are very important,
and I think going to sleep with a peaceful mind
versus like a mind that's been swiping through social media
and stuff. I like to just kind of read, whether
it's like one chapter or something before going to bed,
but that's not my natural bend. Like I had to
kind of create that practice within myself to sustain longevity.
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I think that that's good for you, to clarify for people,
because some people like, oh I whatever it is that
somebody puts out there as advice, like hey, this is
what I do to call my mind, or this is
I'm reading this or doing that. But just to admit
this doesn't come natural to me, I'm putting in the
work because it gives people that the permission to understand that,
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like they're they're not weird for not wanting to read
before bed, but it will actually bring you more calmness
than if you're sitting there on social media. And calm
is actually one of my words that I'm focusing on
for one. Do you have words that you focus on
each year? I do. Last year it was joy, and
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it quickly turned into disappointment. I started off the year
so full of joy and found myself by the end
of the year just so gravely disappointed. And I'm saying
this to get to my new word for this year.
I know is that I found myself really impacted by
the simple things once I got over the shock and
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the disappointment. Because we were on a world tour, you know,
like a different country every month, basically different country every week,
and to have everything stopped in one day was a
shock to the system. And you know, I've been touring
roughly touring and doing music roughly eight years, seven or
eight years at that point, So to have everything stop
at when Phil sweep was kind of shocking. And I
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had to genuinely work through disappointment, like genuine disappointment, not
like I'm bummed about this, like I'm in bed for
two weeks straight. I can't get out of it. I'm
so down. How do I get up from this? And
then to see the difficulty that other people had to
walk through and the calamity that came from those experiences,
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I think it's a hard time for the whole world.
So this year, after walking kind of through this ark
of disappointment, I have chosen the word to be celebrate
and it's very simple, but it is celebrating the small things,
celebrating the big things. You know. Putting out Hold onto
Me is the first song I've released. Oh my gosh,
it feels like I guess a year or year and
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a half, maybe longer, And you know, I kind of
went into it with my heels in the ground just
because it's like, Okay, this is something new. I'm this
is forcing me to jump back into a place that
I have felt disappointment in. So do I take that
leap of faith and say, Okay, I've felt the ache
in this place before, or do I say that was then,
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But I'm still pressing on into boldness or bravery or
whatever you wanna call that courage really, And so we're
having just a little get together with just like my
close friends and family that aren't even necessarily in the
music industry, but just people that I love, just to say, Okay,
today is a day where I'm celebrating this small feet
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of releasing a song. And then we can go around
together and say, all right, what are what is it
that you want to celebrate? And you know, all toast
to a little mile stone that we all have. And
I think that it takes mediocrity and allows its moment. Right,
So yeah, I think this year the word is celebrating Well,
I think you putting out a song like it's a
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huge thing to celebrate, but I love that you're implementing
it with things big and small and that I mean,
it's it's just a good reminder for people that we
need to celebrate the little things. Another thing that I
have loved celebrating this year is time with my family.
So it's as simple as going on a walk. We
have this bridge in our neighborhood, and my nieces loved
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to just go ride there a little bike. You're three
years old, ride their bike to the bridge and along
the way. I mean, it's like it can take an
hour just to get there because we stop along the
way and we pick out our favorite leaf, and we
find little rocks and we picked looms off of plants
or whatever. You know. I feel just as much joy, honestly,
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if not more, doing that simple celebration. It's just like,
oh wow, look at the petals on this flower. As
I would, Oh my gosh, I'm releasing a song. Let's
all toasted and celebrate. So you're right, it's it's the
small things. It's the big things. It's just choosing to
be positive and accepting everything that comes with joy, being
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content in all things in any place of life. And
your word this year gives you a lot of what
you were hoping for last year. The joy. Yes, just
to wrap up the mind, body, spirit wellness part, like
let's get to, like on a physical level, what do
you do to keep that part of you fulfilled? So
I love to sing, as we all know, it's my
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It's my favorite outlet. And in order to sing, your
lungs have to be strong. So I've been swimming a
lot lately, and when I'm not around a pool, I
will just go on a walk or dance around the house.
You know, That's another thing I love. And I think
eating healthy is something I actually enjoy. Boy. I actually
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I'm that weirdo that loves cucumbers and I love salary
and I love salads, and I just really love knowing
that what I put inside my body is wholesome and holistic.
And uh so I think combining just joyful workouts for me.
I love goofy dancing all over the house. Goofy dancing
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and singing. It really builds your core. Swimming. I went
on a swim the other day and I was just
doing like flips in the pool, like not really like
under the water, not really aggressively swimming like five hundred
laps in an Olympic sized pool. We're talking like a
little dip pool in the backyard, right, And uh I
was so sore. The next day, I was like, Wow,
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this is this is fun that you can actually get
a solid workout from just having a good time. I
think you just gave the perfect example of what wellness
looks like on a physical level. And it should be fun.
It shouldn't be some strenuous thing that you're dreading to
go do. And I think a good dance party is
underestimated at times. People don't know how to just like
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turn it up in the kitchen or the living room
and just get the family and dance. Like dance parties
with my kids is one of my favorite things ever.
And absolutely after even just like ten minutes of it,
I'm like, Okay, yeah, I got my heart right up
feeling good and I didn't even notice, so that, yes,
I love that type of wellness for sure. All right,
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let's talk gratitude. I want to hear four things that
you are currently thankful for today. Okay, today specifically, I'm
thankful for the simple morning walks that was just a
great way to start my morning today. Neighborhood coffee shops.
I love a good neighborhood coffee shop in particular because
then I can cross off one and two in the
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same field suit, I can go on my good walk
and get to a fun coffee shop, and then you
get to see the same people every day, which is
really fun. Third thing, I'm thankful for our friendships. Those
are things that I always find myself just inspired by
and encouraged by. And then four, I know this might
sound silly, but having energy, because there are some days
where I just it's a feat to have to, you know,
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get through, and days where I wake up and I
have energy, it's like victory lap. Like I it's something
I do not take for granted, and so when I
have energy, I kind of blew it out the water.
But I would say that, and then five would be family,
We got a bonus one. Five. Well, I don't think
it's silly at all about the energy thing too. I
think that it's important to recognize those moments for sure.
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Good Like could be grateful for you all day long. Well,
thank you so much for taking the time to talk today.
I know that you've got a lot going on, and
when you don't, you need to be resting, So to
take the time to chat is awesome, so we appreciate it. Well,
thank you for your time. Thank you for asking such
great questions. I felt like this is wonderful. Hopefully one
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day we can be in studio together too. Yes, so
hopefully that will be coming UNI vertices later. I know
I would love to come see you perform one day,
like once artists are all back on the road and
there's a schedule, like I feel like I've got to
get my friends together and we need to go have
us a Lauren Dagle dance party. Come on, you will
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be more than awesome. Awesome. Well, thank you so much,
and congratulations on the new song hold on to Me.
Thank you Amy, thank you for having me.
Okay, cast up than little food for you. So life
ain't oh it's pretty, but it's pretty beautiful than that
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A little mouse kick with four brown all right, super
excited to have Lauren Dagle on with us for all
four things today. And Lauren, we're going to get into
turning points in life. I want to talk about your
new song hold on to Me. Also intentional wellness like mind, body,
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and spirit, what you do for each of those, and
then gratitude. I would love to hear four things that
you're thankful for first things right. Okay, So, Lauren, I
have some markers in my life or I definitely experienced something,
whether it was positive or negative, but I was forever
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changed by it. So I'm just curious if you have
any memorable turning points that you would want to share
that could also be encouragement to people of just different
things that happen in life and how all things can
work for good if we surrender to God. I love
that I've talked about this before, but it always just
brings me back to the purpose and brings me kind
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of back to the center. When I was in high school,
I was diagnosed with the autoimmune deficiency and I was
placed on homebound for two years, and I remember in
that process, I would look up people that they had
some obstacle to overcome, and I remember in that saying,
I'm going to not allow this to be the thing
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that holds me back, but the platform in which I've
propelled from, because hardship has the ability to either overtake
you and overcome you, or you have within you what
you're supposed to do to overcome it. And so I
remember laying in bed one day in particular, I'm saying, like, Godwin,
is this going to end? And I think the panic
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was starting to set in of how long am I
really going to be living like this? After that moment,
I started getting all these pictures, like whether it was
being on stage or audiences, tour buses, awards, charts like
whatever it looked like. And I was not involved in
anything music Like. I went to an academic forward school
like go be a doctor, go be a lawyer, that
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sort of thing, college preparatory, and I we didn't really
have a distinct arts program, so I wasn't even thinking
anything with music. And the more I started seeing these pictures,
it was like this hope that was set into motion
and I would start dreaming about those things, and it
music literally lifted me out of bed. And I remember
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just walking around at my parents house when I was
a kid, coming up with different melodies, or I would
go and stand in the shower and sing Joss Stone
as hard as I good, you know, like her cover
is son of a Breacher Man. I love it. And
so I just remember very poignant moments where I had
to choose, Okay, how do I get out of this scene?
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And God was so faithful to be my friend in
that process, like he genuinely felt like a confidante. Like
it was like every time I questioned something, a picture
would flood my mind. And I think we can underestimate
those things and say, oh, that's just your imagination, But
for me it was answers. It felt like I was
being answered to the questions that I had, So that
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I would say was a milestone moment that really pointed
me in the direction that now I'm not seeing all
of those pictures come to pass. The imagination is so important.
Of course, I think that God gave us aw her
imaginations and that's how you can use it. But sometimes
when we're not imagining, when we're not using that that's
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when we're stuck. And I think for me, I've been
doing a lot of reflecting on that lately. Of like,
as kids, we use our imaginations a lot, Lord willing
if kids are able to be kids and be free
and run wild as they should. But as we grow
older and all these other responsibilities and life events and
trauma and different things that just pile on, it can
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get suppressed. But I think it's important to remind adults, yes, like,
try to tap into your imagination as much as possible,
because that that's what we need, is more imagination. I agree.
It's interesting there's something about the brain where when trauma comes,
that imaginative element of the brain can just become quiet.
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And I think in the process of health kind of
taking on traumas or taking on pains or grievances really
staring them down so that these imaginative places can be
nourished again and brought back to the fullness again. I
noticed that I wasn't dreaming a lot once I got
into the music industry, and with criticism, and uh, criticism
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hurts and it makes you not want to dream, or
being forced into an environment of constantly being productive, like
I don't really have the beauty now of just creating
for the sheer enjoyment of creating. There's kind of a
price tag on that. So how do I navigate this
youthful spirit that was brought into this this kind of vigilant,
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aggressive industry. And in that I found myself just not
dreaming very often. And I noticed, Man, when I'm not dreaming,
I'm only half alive. Like that part of me is
so much of who I am. How do I water
and nourish and let the seeds of dreaming in imagination
kind of begin to grow again. And it really is
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saying no to fear and not letting fear be the
place that dictates what you think about, because for me,
there's a lot of fear of failure now that success
has come, success however you want to define that, But
there's the kind of outward appearance that is supposed to
be maintained at all times, and it's a lot of
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pressure to live under. And so when you're constantly imagining
or dreaming about someone else's critique of view or thought
of you, or the way that how the world see me.
Now that's on an everyday scale. Now that we have
social media, it's not just for like people with a platform,
it's literally anybody can feel the weight of that. And um,
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I was talking with a friend the other day about
origin of thought, like, how often do we really have
an original thought anymore? That isn't brought about because we
are comparing ourselves to something else. So with this kind
of quest for an origin of thought, I realized I've
got to start dreaming again. And I missed those places
that when I was a kid, I was just walking
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around the house singing because of this year enjoyment of
singing and dreaming and imagining places to go. And so
getting that back looked like this. It was telling fear,
you're not going to dictate my next thought. You're not
going to dictate how I approached the world. I'm going
to instead say how would I dream about this moment
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and then put myself in that space, because dreaming can
be intimidating when you're fearful that it won't happen. It's
just being childlike and wasteful. It's wasting time, it's wasting
your thought. But I think the more we're in touch
with that, the more joy we actually bring into what
we're doing in our everyday lives. Yeah, and I'm super
thankful that when you were faced with adversity in high school,
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that was that turning moment for you and you went
on a trajectory that you maybe would have never been on.
And so I think, again, it's just something where people,
not all of us are gonna be international superstars like
you um singing all over the world. It might not
be that, it might be something else. And somebody listening
right now might not be in high school. They might
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be fifty six years old, but some they're facing some
sort of adversity. But how can this be a turning
point for me? Or maybe something amazing has happened, But
it's like, how how can I still use this to
its best potential? Where is this going to take me next?
And how am I going to manage it? And how
am I going to handle it? You're able to bring
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people so much comfort with your music. There's so much
purpose and what you put out, and that's a gift
we gained because of unfortunately the suffering you had to
go through, but you allowed it to be used for good. Wow,
thank you for that. Those words. Gosh, that's like nourishment.
That's nourishment. For the dreamer right there. I love that
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so much. That means a lot to me. Thank you
so much for saying that you're welcome. Okay, So one,
let's talk about hold On to Me, which released February.
Congratulations and that, by the way, thank you so much. Yeah,
I wanna play a quick clip for people. So here
it is, don't to me when it's too done to
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see you when I'm sure. I hold on to me
when I bucket, I need you when I let go
o me. Okay, okay, So tell us what hold on
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to Me is all about for you? For me, hold
on to Me is about being the person that sits
in the corner, unsure of where they're going next, unsure
of who they are, unsure of their potential, and having
people come alongside you and support you and encourage you.
And that can look like an array of different things.
And I'll say this, I feel like I have had
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moments where I wasn't my best self, where I couldn't
see a positive potential in my actions, whether it was
hurting friendships or whether it was just choosing things that
weren't life giving. There were moments of that in my
if that were also pretty poignant. I had friends that
came alongside of me and they noticed the pit I
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was in, and instead of you know, judgment and ridicule,
they stood by me and they said, you might not
see who you are, but we all do, and we're
just gonna wait with you in this journey. And I
think the world needs those people right now, because we
can see opposition, we can see pain, we can see disappointment,
we can see discouragement on so many people. And there
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is nothing like someone that comes alongside you and just
holds you in the process, versus rushing you along. I
think there's a difference in that exchange. The fixer. Those
are great people, and there's something beautiful about that. But
the people who sit with you, even in the midst
of adversity, even in the midst of pain, even in
the midst of questioning, that is something that is so divine.
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And so it's interesting how it actually naturally will quicken
your steps and naturally put air inside your lungs. So
this song, for me, it's about those people. When when
you feel the worst of who you are is constantly
rising to the surface, what does it look like for
someone to sit in the way of that or when pain,
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when sorrow has common and has given you a new identity.
What does it look like when someone comes and sits
with you in the middle of sorrow and says, it's okay,
we can sit here for a little while because joy
is coming. And when joy comes, I'll rejoice with you
as well. So that's kind of the narrative of why
that song was written. We have been talking on the
podcast lately about ways to compliment people without talking about
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their looks, and I know that's not what this song
is about by any means, but one of the examples
is just people that are in your life, like just
so we can take the focus off appearance and just
you know, remind people like why you like me around them,
Like I love your personality, You're so creative, your laugh
is contagious. This is a song that maybe some friends
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could use to send to those friends in their life,
those people, those people that are there for them in
those moments, and this song can be a little gift
like of saying, hey, thanks for being in my life,
like you're you're one of those people, and like it's
a way to make them feel good about, you know,
being that person for you or you know if you
have a group of friends or something, yes, and I
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think eradicating loneliness. I used to say to my team, Okay,
if there's one one mission I'm on this planet for,
it would be to eradicate loneliness. And there's so many
different ways that that's possible. But for me, this song,
it can lend like a comforting blanket feel to people
who feel like no one will ever understand me. No
one will ever understand this scenario. I'm in an isolated experience.
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The world has been isolated for a year now, and
how do we remind people like, no, no, no, You're
being held. You're being held in this moment. That's something
that I really want people to feel in the midst
of listening to this song, like you're not alone, you're
not isolated, and you're being held along the way. Awesome
love that well. I want to encourage everyone to go
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get hold on to me, stream it, download it. However
you consume music. Sometimes I feel like I show my
age when I'm like go to iTunes downloaded, Like I'm
not like the cool the cool kid anymore. I'm the
girl that loves to buy music. I'm like, I literally
just had a conversation that with my manager the other day.
I was like, how do we incentivize people to buy music?
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Not so that we can get rich and all that stuff.
Literally for this, I remember when I would sit down
in my parents house, I would scrub toilets, I would
sweep the floors. I would do anything to get money
so that I could go to the local Walmart or
f y E or whatever and get a CD. And
it was this like moment of I cannot wait for
this music to come out. I don't know how. I mean,
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you're literally counting down until you get enough money to
go grab a CD. I just want teenagers to be
able to experience that, or like middle schoolers to be
able to experience like going out and purchasing something or
having to purchase a song or purchase a CD. It's
an anticipation and it's an investment that makes you love
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it so much more, you know. I know kids these days,
they won't even know about like putting in a c
D and scratching a c D. Oh my gosh. I
would be devastated if I was. I was driving my
Bronco in high school and I would be listening to
c D and it started skipping, and then I would
take it out to come to find out somehow it
got scratched. It was the worst, Yes, the worst. I remember.
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I would do the whole slam the radio, like slam
it to try to get it, like maybe if I
hit it a couple of times, it'll like re skip
back into place. You know. Gosh, I love those memories.
They're so they are so sweet. Now everything is so digital,
it's like, Okay, how do we infuse that sentiment even
in this kind of space? But who knows. I know,
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we're just gonna have to keep going with the flow.
That's right. Do you have part of your daily routine
you could share with us that helps check that box
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of wellness for you? Absolutely? So. Actually, this is a
perfect morning to kind of give an example. I'm laughing
because this doesn't always happen, but this morning in particular
was kind of the quintessential perfect morning in quotes. You know,
I woke up a little bit earlier than I had planned.
We had a late night last night doing the video
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edits for the new song Hold Onto Me, and I
went to bed late and I woke up and I
was like, I wasn't quite ready to wake up. So
I'm not a big Instagram swiper, right, especially in the morning.
I think it just kind of starts your day off
a little funky. But I found myself looking at like
Pinterest or different things. And here I am going through
all of these kind of artistic expressions or furniture, art
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and design. And I know this is kind of like
a segue, but I think that spiritual principles. For me,
I'm someone who's a creative so I get so inspired
richly whenever I can do something with arts. Right, So
here I am laying in bed, I'm looking at all
these things. I mean I was in bed for like
two hours looking at furniture. Okay, just I'm so intrigued
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by art. And as I'm I get up and I'm like,
I'm gonna go on a walk, wildest piece. So I'm like,
I put my headphones on and I'm walking around the block.
Not typically I don't listen to music. I kind of
like to just listen to the birds or feel the sung.
I listened to cars pass and things like that, but
I was like, I just want to listen to music,
and for me, my particular spiritual practice is listening to
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worship music. So I like, turn on this song and
I couldn't get enough, so I put it on repeat,
and I'm noticing I'm like skipping through the streets right,
and I get back to my condo and I'm still
just so alive. And I think the reason why from
a spiritual context is I feel like I was made
with like creative DNA. You know, there's people that are
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made with like business DNA or math, radical DNA, artistic DNA.
Right for me, it's anything creative. So I was able
to take these aesthetics that I was visually seeing and
then go on my walk and imagine and dream and
listen to worship music and let that exchange kind of
be part of I don't know, the spiritual process in
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the day, if that makes sense. Every time I sit
down and I think about what is something that is
built inside of each one of us that's just natural,
like that God designed into who we are. Whenever I
think how do I reflect on that or how do
I operate in that throughout my day, That's when I
feel the most spiritually connected to God. That's when I
feel like, oh, this is where kind of purpose enjoy
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a line. And so for me as simple as it
is like the furniture, the furniture of my heart. This
is the furniture of my soul, right the furniture in
the rooms of who I am looking at those pieces
and looking online and stuff, and then marrying them to
kind of the process with the Lord in the morning.
That's that's what I love to do, whether it's something
you know, like furniture or just something creative in general.
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I feel like a lot of times when I approached
my spiritual routine, it's often with the arts, like looking
at something beautiful. Reading. I've been doing this spiritual practice
where you're supposed to read a certain amount of chapters.
It's like the Bible in a year or something, and
here I am going through it. Now. I am not
the fastest reader, but I found myself so intrigued by
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the stories that I couldn't get enough, Like I wanted
to move on to the next chapter. And if you
know anything about me, reading is not my strong suit
like at all. But I just was so enamored by
the stories and the characters and seeing God kind of
weave who he is into the lives of all of
these people that I was discovering in the Bible. It
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makes you approach humanity in a different way. It makes
you see his love for people and his love for
our interactions with each other and unity and things like that.
So yeah, well that may tie into what you do
for yourself mentally as well. I mean, really, with your
crazy lifestyle, how are you intentional about quieting your mind?
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Especially as a creative it can often be running ideas
left and right. Once it comes to you, I'm sure
it's hard to stop it. So how do you slow
down mentally and making sure that you're giving yourself that break?
When I say, it goes so fast, Like there are
times where I'm like, is this okay? Like hopefully this
is okay. It goes so fast. I'll be in the
middle of a sentence and just I have four sentences
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going on in my brain at the same time. Right, So,
here are some practical things that are super simple that
I actually recognize myself doing because I can often think
twenty steps ahead of the game. I heard this is
like some military practice. I don't know if this is
exactly right, but I start at the top of my
head and go all the way down to my feet
and just imagine everything exhaling, like every part of me
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just like becoming softened, because a lot of times when
your mind is rushing, your body is kind of getting
into this state of anxiety, even though it's not anxious,
it's just accelerated things are uplifted, right. So I've just
kind of gotten into the practice of start at your
head and go all the way down to your toes
and quiet everything calm, like actually think about calming yourself.
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And then at the end of that mental exercise, I'll
take a deep inhale and exhale. It might happen five
times in the middle of the day, it might happen
in the process of this recording right now. You know,
there are times where I just have to take It's
just a two second break. Nobody else would ever notice.
But I've really studied stress, and I've learned about stress,
especially in the process of being on the road and
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touring and being in the studio and crazy kind of hours.
And so with that, I've said, Okay, I've got to
start thinking of very simple, practical, pragmatic ways to kind
of eliminate stress when I find that it's accumulating. And
so that's just one like simple thing I do and
then when it comes to time. There are days where
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I'm off to the races the second I put my
feet on the floor. But there are other days where
I really cut and carve out a time. And this
is kind of funny, but I tell my team, like,
I'm not going to start until eleven, So every day
they know, if it's before eleven o'clock, um, I've find
Australia or something. You know, it's like it's very rare
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that things happened before eleven o'clock. Because I like to
have just that window of carbon ountains in. I'll be
better not only today, but ten years down the road
if I know that I can wake up and have
just a moment to collect myself, a moment to refresh
to start the day, to kind of wake up slow,
and then I'm invigorated into the day versus already starting
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off on the wrong foot. I think mornings are very important,
and I think going to sleep with a peaceful mind
versus like a mind that's been swiping through social media
and stuff. I like to just kind of read, whether
it's like one chapter or something before going to bed,
but that's not my natural bend. Like I had to
kind of create that practice within myself to sustain longevity.
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I think that that's good for you, to clarify for people,
because some people like, oh I whatever it is that
somebody puts out there as advice, like hey, this is
what I do to call my mind, or this is
I'm reading this or doing that. But just to admit
this doesn't come natural to me, I'm putting in the
work because it gives people that the permission to understand that,
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like they're they're not weird for not wanting to read
before bed, but it will actually bring you more calmness
than if you're sitting there on social media. And calm
is actually one of my words that I'm focusing on
for one. Do you have words that you focus on
each year? I do. Last year it was joy, and
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it quickly turned into disappointment. I started off the year
so full of joy and found myself by the end
of the year just so gravely disappointed. And I'm saying
this to get to my new word for this year.
I know is that I found myself really impacted by
the simple things once I got over the shock and
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the disappointment. Because we were on a world tour, you know,
like a different country every month, basically different country every week,
and to have everything stopped in one day was a
shock to the system. And you know, I've been touring
roughly touring and doing music roughly eight years, seven or
eight years at that point, So to have everything stop
at when Phil sweep was kind of shocking. And I
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had to genuinely work through disappointment, like genuine disappointment, not
like I'm bummed about this, like I'm in bed for
two weeks straight. I can't get out of it. I'm
so down. How do I get up from this? And
then to see the difficulty that other people had to
walk through and the calamity that came from those experiences,
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I think it's a hard time for the whole world.
So this year, after walking kind of through this ark
of disappointment, I have chosen the word to be celebrate
and it's very simple, but it is celebrating the small things,
celebrating the big things. You know. Putting out Hold onto
Me is the first song I've released. Oh my gosh,
it feels like I guess a year or year and
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a half, maybe longer, And you know, I kind of
went into it with my heels in the ground just
because it's like, Okay, this is something new. I'm this
is forcing me to jump back into a place that
I have felt disappointment in. So do I take that
leap of faith and say, Okay, I've felt the ache
in this place before, or do I say that was then,
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But I'm still pressing on into boldness or bravery or
whatever you wanna call that courage really, And so we're
having just a little get together with just like my
close friends and family that aren't even necessarily in the
music industry, but just people that I love, just to say, Okay,
today is a day where I'm celebrating this small feet
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of releasing a song. And then we can go around
together and say, all right, what are what is it
that you want to celebrate? And you know, all toast
to a little mile stone that we all have. And
I think that it takes mediocrity and allows its moment. Right,
So yeah, I think this year the word is celebrating Well,
I think you putting out a song like it's a
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huge thing to celebrate, but I love that you're implementing
it with things big and small and that I mean,
it's it's just a good reminder for people that we
need to celebrate the little things. Another thing that I
have loved celebrating this year is time with my family.
So it's as simple as going on a walk. We
have this bridge in our neighborhood, and my nieces loved
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to just go ride there a little bike. You're three
years old, ride their bike to the bridge and along
the way. I mean, it's like it can take an
hour just to get there because we stop along the
way and we pick out our favorite leaf, and we
find little rocks and we picked looms off of plants
or whatever. You know. I feel just as much joy, honestly,
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if not more, doing that simple celebration. It's just like,
oh wow, look at the petals on this flower. As
I would, Oh my gosh, I'm releasing a song. Let's
all toasted and celebrate. So you're right, it's it's the
small things. It's the big things. It's just choosing to
be positive and accepting everything that comes with joy, being
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content in all things in any place of life. And
your word this year gives you a lot of what
you were hoping for last year. The joy. Yes, just
to wrap up the mind, body, spirit wellness part, like
let's get to, like on a physical level, what do
you do to keep that part of you fulfilled? So
I love to sing, as we all know, it's my
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It's my favorite outlet. And in order to sing, your
lungs have to be strong. So I've been swimming a
lot lately, and when I'm not around a pool, I
will just go on a walk or dance around the house.
You know, That's another thing I love. And I think
eating healthy is something I actually enjoy. Boy. I actually
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I'm that weirdo that loves cucumbers and I love salary
and I love salads, and I just really love knowing
that what I put inside my body is wholesome and holistic.
And uh so I think combining just joyful workouts for me.
I love goofy dancing all over the house. Goofy dancing
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and singing. It really builds your core. Swimming. I went
on a swim the other day and I was just
doing like flips in the pool, like not really like
under the water, not really aggressively swimming like five hundred
laps in an Olympic sized pool. We're talking like a
little dip pool in the backyard, right, And uh I
was so sore. The next day, I was like, Wow,
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this is this is fun that you can actually get
a solid workout from just having a good time. I
think you just gave the perfect example of what wellness
looks like on a physical level. And it should be fun.
It shouldn't be some strenuous thing that you're dreading to
go do. And I think a good dance party is
underestimated at times. People don't know how to just like
(28:07):
turn it up in the kitchen or the living room
and just get the family and dance. Like dance parties
with my kids is one of my favorite things ever.
And absolutely after even just like ten minutes of it,
I'm like, Okay, yeah, I got my heart right up
feeling good and I didn't even notice, so that, yes,
I love that type of wellness for sure. All right,
(28:34):
let's talk gratitude. I want to hear four things that
you are currently thankful for today. Okay, today specifically, I'm
thankful for the simple morning walks that was just a
great way to start my morning today. Neighborhood coffee shops.
I love a good neighborhood coffee shop in particular because
then I can cross off one and two in the
(28:55):
same field suit, I can go on my good walk
and get to a fun coffee shop, and then you
get to see the same people every day, which is
really fun. Third thing, I'm thankful for our friendships. Those
are things that I always find myself just inspired by
and encouraged by. And then four, I know this might
sound silly, but having energy, because there are some days
where I just it's a feat to have to, you know,
(29:18):
get through, and days where I wake up and I
have energy, it's like victory lap. Like I it's something
I do not take for granted, and so when I
have energy, I kind of blew it out the water.
But I would say that, and then five would be family,
We got a bonus one. Five. Well, I don't think
it's silly at all about the energy thing too. I
think that it's important to recognize those moments for sure.
(29:41):
Good Like could be grateful for you all day long. Well,
thank you so much for taking the time to talk today.
I know that you've got a lot going on, and
when you don't, you need to be resting, So to
take the time to chat is awesome, so we appreciate it. Well,
thank you for your time. Thank you for asking such
great questions. I felt like this is wonderful. Hopefully one
(30:01):
day we can be in studio together too. Yes, so
hopefully that will be coming UNI vertices later. I know
I would love to come see you perform one day,
like once artists are all back on the road and
there's a schedule, like I feel like I've got to
get my friends together and we need to go have
us a Lauren Dagle dance party. Come on, you will
(30:21):
be more than awesome. Awesome. Well, thank you so much,
and congratulations on the new song hold on to Me.
Thank you Amy, thank you for having me.
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