November 27, 2021 • 23 mins
Amy shares what She Knows Better Now -- taking a look at how her limited view of health negatively impacted her in the past, and explains WHAT she does now that she knows better.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I won't let my body out out well everything that
I'm made dope, won't spend my life trying to change.
I'm learning to love who I am. I get I'm strong,
I feel free, I know who every part of me.
It's beautiful and now will always out way if you
(00:24):
feel it. With joys in the air, she'll some love
to the food. I am there. Let's say good day
and did you and die out? Happy Saturday? Outweigh fam
Amy and Lisa here with part two of We Know
Better Now. Now we skipped a week, so thanks for
being patient and waiting for this episode. But you know,
(00:46):
we explained to you all that we realized it was
Thanksgiving and we wanted you all to have that meditation
episode before you entered a lot of time with family,
friends and food, three big f's that can sometimes, you know,
require some meditation. So we hope you enjoyed that. And
this is the episode where I'm going to be sharing
what I know better now. If you missed the episode,
(01:07):
Releasa shared her as you can go back. Last week's
was the meditation and then the one before that nove
episode was Lisa sharing her things, and she ended the
episode by talking about body checking and bloating, and you
know that bloating isn't necessarily a bad thing. And it
made me think about something that I definitely now know
(01:30):
better is that I don't have to weigh myself. And
we've talked about that one or wait, weighing yourself a
lot on the podcast and even on my four Things podcast.
It's something that I had to completely get rid of.
But I used to weigh myself sometimes three times a day,
and I would wonder or freak out if at night
(01:50):
I weighed more than I did in the morning. I
have compassion for that girl and where I was, and
that somehow my body was supposed to, magically, with some
food and water, be the same weight that it was
when I woke up in the morning. And I guess
I would give myself a little wiggle room at times,
but I would keep a log and I would journal things,
and I would even measure things. And I just know
(02:14):
better now that my body is going to fluctuate and
my body is going to change and there is no
reason that I need to track it. And I'm in
a much happier state with my body. And I feel
like it took me a long time to get there
because everywhere you look, you know you're being weighed, even
at the doctor. We don't do that anymore, or I don't.
(02:36):
I have learned my doctor doesn't necessarily need to know
my weight, unless, of course they say, actually we we do.
We've noticed something different and we need to gather that.
Then I can give them that information. But you have
the power, even when you're at a doctor's appointment, to
be like, no, I'm not hopping on the scale right now.
I don't want that to trigger me. And I had
to completely just move the scale out of my house.
(02:59):
Some people be able to weigh themselves and it's not
triggering for me. That was a behavior where now I
know better and I am okay. If I my pants
are tighter one day, then they're not like I have
a connection of like, oh yeah, I ate food, or
I did this, or maybe what I consumed had a
lot of sodium, and I'm like, I breathe through it.
(03:20):
It's almost like I have such a connection to where
things make sense and it doesn't freak me out, whereas
before I would have been so disconnected that I would
have been freaking out, not taking into account that maybe
something I ate was high in sodium or something that
I ate was causing bloating in my stomach because it
was ruughage and that's what it does, and then it
(03:41):
would cause all this mental anguish when now I can
assess what I ate and be like, oh, yeah, wow,
I didn't realize the sodium was seven milligrams on that. Wow. Okay,
I might be a little puffy for a day or two,
and I'm okay with that. But also it might not
be anything that you did. We have normal weight fluctuations
with our cycle as amends, with a million different factors
that we can't even begin to grasp. So it's important
(04:05):
if there is a weight fluctuation that you don't necessarily
go right into. Okay, I did this, and I think
you were. Well, perhaps maybe I was more cruel to
myself amy than you were. But when I would weigh
myself obsessively, there was no wiggle room when there were
decimal point changes, I thought that meant that I need
to course correct, go harder. And all that did was
(04:28):
disconnect me from my own needs and my own true health,
which was me taking good care of me mind, body,
and spirit. Right, So I think that we all need
to understand that weight fluctuations are normal on a day
to day basis as well as over a life cycle.
You're not going to weigh what you did in high
school when you're twenty five. You're not going to weigh
probably what you weighed when you were twenty five when
(04:50):
you're thirty five, and so forth. And it's important to
not get too attached or think that you did something.
When we are human beings in motion, we are not
static statues. We're not going to just like go around
just staying exactly the same. We are going to change
and flow, and oftentimes those changes are to protect us.
So I love I love that Amy, because I too
(05:10):
was a scale obsessor and I can now also, I
don't know where you're at with it now, but it's
been a long time for me, and I don't I'm
not personally triggered by it. I don't use it. I
don't have one in my house, but I could go
to the doctor and I don't really care what it says,
even if it's a bit higher than I think where
I'm usually at. I'm to a point where I don't
want to do it, and and that's that's what's good
(05:32):
for me. And I maybe in six months from now
or a year, because this is still fairly new for me.
I'm trying to think, maybe it's been two years since
I've weighed myself. And when you, I mean, you're talking
like I've had disordered eating behaviors and been weighing myself
since I was a young teenager. So I mean two
years is nothing in the I mean, it is something
(05:54):
I want to acknowledge. One month, if you're one week,
if you're on this journey, one day is a may
zing and you should applaud yourself. But at the same time,
when I look at how many years I was doing that,
this is just what feels good for me. And I
know I don't want to see a number on a scale.
I don't need to see it, don't want to see
it doesn't matter. And that kind of rolls into another
(06:17):
thing that I now know better, and that sizes don't matter.
And every clothing company has different sizes. Even the same
company might have two genes the same size and you
put them on and they fit differently, just because you
know machines, human arrow who knows what it is, but
not everything is exactly the same. And I used to
(06:39):
freak out over that. I'm like, this is my size,
and if I'm not fitting in my size, I will
not buy from this company because this is my size.
And there was no wiggle room with that because I
felt like if I went up any size number then
mentally I couldn't handle it. I was so attached to
a size number. And I now know better that numbers
(07:03):
don't matter on the scale, but then numbers don't matter
on my tags either. Or I used to hold onto
clothes that I thought would fit me one day when
I get there, and they just never did, and they
just sat in my closet and every time I'd go
to put them on, they contributed to poor body image
thoughts for me because I'm still not there yet. I'm
still not there yet. Or I might have bought the
(07:25):
pants that were smaller than I was in the moment
because that's where I want to go. That is doing
such a disservice to your mind and your body and
not allowing you to feel comfortable your You should wear
your clothes. Your clothes should not wear you. You should
be able to wear clothes that you put on that
make you feel confident, no matter what size. It says
and I think it's so important to recognize the variability
(07:45):
in sizing and not allow that to throw you off. Yeah,
when I was able to let go of that, it
was a game changer because I can now order things
online and go into a store and buy things that, yes,
are going to ultimately make me feel good and feel
more confident and feel cute without you know, thinking about
(08:07):
the tag on the inside that nobody else is even seeing.
It's such a mind game with yourself, and you know,
no one probably sees the number on your scale either
for that matter, but we just we are our own
worst critic, Like we're the ones judging ourselves left and right.
And I just feel like once I was able to
let that go, it just was such a thing where
I was like, Okay, I now know better, and I
(08:28):
know that I'm not the only one. And Lisa clearly
had some issues with that too, And I just want
you to know if you're doing that, it's okay. You're
not alone, and I hope that you will get to
a place where the size won't matter. I saw someone
put on Instagram the other day they were trying on
jeans at Target. Maybe it was a meme I don't know.
And she said, I put on a size sixteen pair
(08:50):
of jeans that I couldn't even zip up. And she's like,
so then I took him off. This kind of long
for a meme, but maybe I'm paraphrasing. I don't know
exactly how it went, but she's like, throw them on
the round. She goes put on my size ting jeans
that I wore into Target that day and left. I mean,
it was just to her, it was like, Okay, what
in the world, Like sizes are so off and they
(09:11):
don't mean anything right, but we've been trained to believe
if that number is up, then we have done something wrong.
And then you're wearing this other pair of pants that
says a completely different number. It goes to show how
much we dictate our own reality off of something external
versus taking inventory of where we are in space and
time and in our bodies, which rolls into another thing
(09:38):
that I now know better, and it's that we all
have different bodies. And just because someone else is doing
a certain quote unquote meal plan or quote unquote workout routine,
I can match everything that person is doing, food item
for food item, workout move for workout move, and my
(09:59):
body might still look very different than whoever this person
is that I'm comparing myself to. Do you know who?
Jesse James Decker is Lisa a little bit. She's country World, right. Yeah,
she has a lot of different things going on. She's
married to a former football player, but they have very
active lifestyles, like whatever physique that you know, they show
(10:20):
off in their swimsuits and different things. And I like
Jesse James Zucker. I don't know her really well, but
she's come on the Bobby Bones Show before, and I
think she's really nice. Like I don't have anything bad
to say at all whatsoever. But she did put up
oh what I Eat in a day type thing, and
it ended up getting taken down because probably she got
so much heat for it. But it was really minimal food,
(10:42):
you know. It was like a smoothie, and then for
lunch it was like a piece of toast and maybe
some more coffee, and then for dinner it was a
tiny amount of protein with some veggis. And she has
so many girls and women that follow her, like millions,
and so I'm sure she got backlash for it, But
(11:02):
at the time, I was like, oh man, it's a
bummer that she put that up. I'm glad she took
it down, but I know girls already saw that, and
it's too late. And she does have this by society
standard type body that I'm pretty sure she's just I
don't want to take away that she works hard, because
I'm sure she works out and does what she needs
to do to feel confident in her body in that way.
But you can't deny sometimes when someone is genetically a
(11:26):
certain way and then it's portrayed online of like, if
you do this workout and if you eat this food,
then you two can look like me, which is again
what is more acceptable by society standards. And I'm glad
that we're seeing more diversity out there and we're learning
because when I the reason why I think that or
I had to know better, the reason why I thought,
(11:47):
oh I can end up looking that way is because
society told me, if you do this, then this is
the body you will have. And now I feel like
we're doing a better job moving past that of like, no,
look at all these beautiful bodies. This is not the
one way to look. This is not the only way.
So I'm thankful that young girls are seeing that. But
(12:07):
when she put up that post, I was like, Oh,
this is this is not the direction we need to go.
So I'm glad she took it down. Yeah, there's something
called the thin ideal internalization, and it's the idea that
there's one way to look and we're psychologically affected and
we kind of eat up this message and believe that
if we can achieve this thin ideal, we will achieve
(12:30):
these positive outcomes health, happiness, confidence, you know, romantic success,
all of that. And you know, I think that when
you are in a body that is a thin ideal
like I have, or maybe I don't know her, but
like maybe she naturally is like that like you said,
or maybe she even works hard. But when you live
in this body, I think it's important you still can
(12:51):
exist in your body, but it's important to recognize that
the world has been chasing this ideal and therefore what
you put out there needs to be an acknowledgement of
either the body that you occupy or that you will
have a different outcome based on your own body, and
that that is beautiful too, and that food is not
(13:12):
the vehicle to achieve this body because there's not just
one body to arrive too. So I think we're like
slowly dismantling this idea. Like you said that there's one
way to look, and we're in the middle of that
where a lot of people are kind of like stuck
in the throws. I think we quickly arrived here, not
really quickly. The last five years, we kind of just
(13:33):
sped up the timeline of bs in diet world and
body image wise, and a lot of people haven't really
digested all of that information or understood how they could
possibly contribute negatively, even if they didn't mean to, even
if they don't have issues with the food or body
image themselves. But um, with social media, I think it
is really important for influencers of any size to be
(13:57):
aware of the impact that you're having on young women
when this thin ideal exists and not everybody can achieve
it or that needs to be the ideal. Right, So
we're dismantling that ideal, but it's taking time, and a
lot of people I think are stuck in the throw
is not knowing the negative impact that they're having. Yeah.
I saw a dietitian posts the other day she was
(14:19):
did acute real and it was what I eat in
a day, And then it was her going to her
fridge and she opened it up and she was like, yeah,
she's like just kidding, yeah, nutrition tea, Yes, yeah, she's
so cute. And she was like, just kidding. You'll never
see me doing that, And I thought that was such
a cute way to, you know, show people what she
(14:40):
eats in a day might not be what you need
to eat in the day, and if you were to
mimic someone's meal plan. Just to kind of put a
bow on this one is I just thought, if I
do what exactly what this celebrity or this person or
this friend that I you know, thought had it all
figured out, if I do exactly what they do, I
will look like them. And that is just not the case,
(15:03):
and nor should I want that to be the case.
I want to be me and I want to be
happy and not stressed out trying to chase somebody else's body.
And this is a conversation Lisa and I have had
offline when we're not recording two and we want to
recognize our thin privilege or I don't know how you
would say it, Lisa, what's the we have. We don't
(15:23):
discuss it a lot, but if you're listening, right now
you may know what we look like, and our biggest
fear is that someone might hear us talk or maybe
not biggest fear, but something that we've talked about is
that there might be an eye roll or we don't
understand or what gives us the right to talk about this? Lisa,
can you just speak to that. Yeah, it's something that
I struggle with a lot, because when I entered the
(15:44):
conversation of food stuff, I didn't realize where I stood
in relation to the big picture of all of this.
And Amy and I both occupy thin, white bodies of
all sorts of privilege, and I could imagine that there's
plenty of listeners that might think that we don't get it,
and I'm here to say, you're right, we don't get it.
(16:06):
And I don't know what it's like to live in
a body that I've never lived in before. And I
don't pretend to know your pain or your struggle or
that reality, but I do aim to learn more about
what it's like to exist for you and partake, and
Amy and I strongly want to create a world where
we can all exist and all learn to take really
good care of our health. If that's a priority. To
(16:28):
you without your body size dictating how the world views it,
if that makes any sense. So, yeah, that's just a
personal struggle of mine as a registered dietitian, as somebody
who is passionate about being part of this conversation. I
recognize where I stand with it, which is I've always
been in a thin body amy your story might be
different than mine, but you know, I I hate that
(16:49):
we are probably missing the mark for some people who
we could help because they think that we don't get
it and that we are naive to it. So I
guess I'm here to say that we don't get it,
but we're not naive to it, and we still feel
that we're helping a lot of people and not harming
those that are here but might not look at me
(17:11):
and see a similarity physically. Does that make sense? And
I'm glad we I didn't know we would bring this
up just now in this episode because yeah, again it's
something we've talked about as we talk about what do
we want to do without way, what do we see
for this podcast and who are we speaking to and
are they resonating with us? And are we the people
for that? Should it be you know, other people and
(17:33):
we're intentional about guests that we're bringing on and other
contributors to the podcast, and we want you all to
know that. So just know that you just got a
little peek into a conversation that Lisa and I are
continuing to have and what we want this to look like.
And I guess I'll wrap by sharing one more thing
that I now know better since we're in the holiday
(17:54):
season or really preparing for anything. Maybe it's not even holidays.
You're preparing for an event sometimes if you have a
part coming up. For me, I work in the entertainment world,
so I may have work events and festivals and things
that I'm hosting, or red carpet or something that I
might be getting for. So this may, depending on what
you do, fall into whatever category whatever. If you're getting
(18:15):
ready for something a party, a holiday meal, you know
you're hosting something big at work and you want to
quote unquote feel your best. I now know that it's
okay to fuel my body just the same all week
long or all day long leading up to whatever said event.
I used to think that in order to feel my best,
I had to you know, cleanse or juice or restrict
(18:40):
and that was going to have me on my A game,
and really I was depleted and tired and cranky and hungry,
and I wasn't bringing my A game. And even if
it's like a holiday meal that you're restricting for up
into that meal, like what are you doing during that day?
You're missing out on maybe some quality family time because
(19:03):
your brain is you know, haven't given it the fuel
that it needs, or you're obsessing about food and thinking
about all the food that you're about to have, so
you're not engaged in that quality time. And so while
you know, prepping for a holiday meal or a Christmas
party or something is very different than prepping for a
work event, it still is the same thing. You're still restricting.
(19:25):
I just was like I wasn't giving myself what I needed.
And I now know, being two years into my recovery,
that I've done work events now. I had one a
couple of weeks ago in Austin where I rolled into
that weekend and I was living the same life I
was living the week before when I had no of
it to get ready for, or the two weeks before
when I really was far away from an event and
(19:47):
I was just just such a piece came over me,
and there wasn't this stress of also too traveling and
having to pack all this food because I was so restricted,
or make sure I had certain foods in my hotel room,
and and I just was so more breezy and go
with the flow. And when you're arriving at these Christmas parties,
sometimes you might be taking your own dishes and you're
(20:09):
not very go with the flow, or you're freaking out
of what people are going to be serving. And I
just want you to know, too, there is hope in this,
and that it is possible to be the same person,
eating the same things, doing whatever you want to do,
workout wise with your body as you were when you
weren't preparing for an event. You can show up as
that same exact person and give yourself food and give
(20:29):
yourself a workout if that's what you want. Is that
making sense, Lisa, Yes, that makes a ton of sense.
Your life is just the same and there's no pedestal
because of an event, and therefore you take good care
of your body every single day, whether that's moving it
not moving it, drinking the green juice, not drinking the
green juice. And there's freedom in that because you're flowing
through life, not resisting and fighting it every step of
(20:50):
the way. I will say a couple of years ago,
if you would have been like, hey, you're going to
go out to dinner and not have control over what
is inside your food, and then there's going to be
cake served because you're celebrating somebody, and then you have
to get into address the next day for work event,
I probably would have not gone to that dinner. I
would have been like, you know what, I can't put
(21:11):
myself in that situation because I have a big work
event tomorrow and I have a dress put on and
I have to do this and I need to be
on So I would have stayed home and missed out
on something. And this year I was able to go
do that right before, I was able to celebrate other people,
be with friends, eat out, have cake and guess what
I did the event and my life went on. And
(21:33):
I just share that as encouragement and hope that you
two will be able to start rolling through life like that.
And it does take work. I'm not saying I just
was like made a decision one day. It's like, Okay,
this is how I'm going to live. And so that's
why I'm thankful for Lisa and even courses like her
Fork the Noise program, Brain over Bingees. Something that I
mentioned that helped me might not be for you, but
(21:56):
just that was something that really helped me rewire my brain.
And I'm excited did to announce that Hungerfulness is going
to return again in two I'm ending my maternity leave
in the next few weeks and gonna kind of step
into what's happening next, so I'll put the link below
for anybody who's interested in the wait list. Um, I
think I'm gonna keep this kind of a little like
(22:16):
d L maybe only waitlist only I don't know yet
as I kind of ease back into work. I'm so
proud of this program and I'm excited to be launching
it again. Oh yeah, okay, and then what's the name
of it again? For the Noise Hungerfulness, So I'll put
the link below or fork the Noise dot com and
you can find it so it'll be in the show notes,
so definitely check that out. I can't recommend Lisa's programs enough.
(22:37):
She puts so much effort and heart and soul and
all the things into this stuff, and she truly does care.
So I'm proud of you, Lisa. I'm glad that you're
my partner here on outweigh and yeah, we hope you'll
have a great rest of the day and we will
see you all next Saturday. Four
I won't let my body out out well everything that
I'm made dope, won't spend my life trying to change.
I'm learning to love who I am. I get I'm strong,
I feel free, I know who every part of me.
It's beautiful and now will always out way if you
(00:24):
feel it. With joys in the air, she'll some love
to the food. I am there. Let's say good day
and did you and die out? Happy Saturday? Outweigh fam
Amy and Lisa here with part two of We Know
Better Now. Now we skipped a week, so thanks for
being patient and waiting for this episode. But you know,
(00:46):
we explained to you all that we realized it was
Thanksgiving and we wanted you all to have that meditation
episode before you entered a lot of time with family,
friends and food, three big f's that can sometimes, you know,
require some meditation. So we hope you enjoyed that. And
this is the episode where I'm going to be sharing
what I know better now. If you missed the episode,
(01:07):
Releasa shared her as you can go back. Last week's
was the meditation and then the one before that nove
episode was Lisa sharing her things, and she ended the
episode by talking about body checking and bloating, and you
know that bloating isn't necessarily a bad thing. And it
made me think about something that I definitely now know
(01:30):
better is that I don't have to weigh myself. And
we've talked about that one or wait, weighing yourself a
lot on the podcast and even on my four Things podcast.
It's something that I had to completely get rid of.
But I used to weigh myself sometimes three times a day,
and I would wonder or freak out if at night
(01:50):
I weighed more than I did in the morning. I
have compassion for that girl and where I was, and
that somehow my body was supposed to, magically, with some
food and water, be the same weight that it was
when I woke up in the morning. And I guess
I would give myself a little wiggle room at times,
but I would keep a log and I would journal things,
and I would even measure things. And I just know
(02:14):
better now that my body is going to fluctuate and
my body is going to change and there is no
reason that I need to track it. And I'm in
a much happier state with my body. And I feel
like it took me a long time to get there
because everywhere you look, you know you're being weighed, even
at the doctor. We don't do that anymore, or I don't.
(02:36):
I have learned my doctor doesn't necessarily need to know
my weight, unless, of course they say, actually we we do.
We've noticed something different and we need to gather that.
Then I can give them that information. But you have
the power, even when you're at a doctor's appointment, to
be like, no, I'm not hopping on the scale right now.
I don't want that to trigger me. And I had
to completely just move the scale out of my house.
(02:59):
Some people be able to weigh themselves and it's not
triggering for me. That was a behavior where now I
know better and I am okay. If I my pants
are tighter one day, then they're not like I have
a connection of like, oh yeah, I ate food, or
I did this, or maybe what I consumed had a
lot of sodium, and I'm like, I breathe through it.
(03:20):
It's almost like I have such a connection to where
things make sense and it doesn't freak me out, whereas
before I would have been so disconnected that I would
have been freaking out, not taking into account that maybe
something I ate was high in sodium or something that
I ate was causing bloating in my stomach because it
was ruughage and that's what it does, and then it
(03:41):
would cause all this mental anguish when now I can
assess what I ate and be like, oh, yeah, wow,
I didn't realize the sodium was seven milligrams on that. Wow. Okay,
I might be a little puffy for a day or two,
and I'm okay with that. But also it might not
be anything that you did. We have normal weight fluctuations
with our cycle as amends, with a million different factors
that we can't even begin to grasp. So it's important
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if there is a weight fluctuation that you don't necessarily
go right into. Okay, I did this, and I think
you were. Well, perhaps maybe I was more cruel to
myself amy than you were. But when I would weigh
myself obsessively, there was no wiggle room when there were
decimal point changes, I thought that meant that I need
to course correct, go harder. And all that did was
(04:28):
disconnect me from my own needs and my own true health,
which was me taking good care of me mind, body,
and spirit. Right, So I think that we all need
to understand that weight fluctuations are normal on a day
to day basis as well as over a life cycle.
You're not going to weigh what you did in high
school when you're twenty five. You're not going to weigh
probably what you weighed when you were twenty five when
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you're thirty five, and so forth. And it's important to
not get too attached or think that you did something.
When we are human beings in motion, we are not
static statues. We're not going to just like go around
just staying exactly the same. We are going to change
and flow, and oftentimes those changes are to protect us.
So I love I love that Amy, because I too
(05:10):
was a scale obsessor and I can now also, I
don't know where you're at with it now, but it's
been a long time for me, and I don't I'm
not personally triggered by it. I don't use it. I
don't have one in my house, but I could go
to the doctor and I don't really care what it says,
even if it's a bit higher than I think where
I'm usually at. I'm to a point where I don't
want to do it, and and that's that's what's good
(05:32):
for me. And I maybe in six months from now
or a year, because this is still fairly new for me.
I'm trying to think, maybe it's been two years since
I've weighed myself. And when you, I mean, you're talking
like I've had disordered eating behaviors and been weighing myself
since I was a young teenager. So I mean two
years is nothing in the I mean, it is something
(05:54):
I want to acknowledge. One month, if you're one week,
if you're on this journey, one day is a may
zing and you should applaud yourself. But at the same time,
when I look at how many years I was doing that,
this is just what feels good for me. And I
know I don't want to see a number on a scale.
I don't need to see it, don't want to see
it doesn't matter. And that kind of rolls into another
(06:17):
thing that I now know better, and that sizes don't matter.
And every clothing company has different sizes. Even the same
company might have two genes the same size and you
put them on and they fit differently, just because you
know machines, human arrow who knows what it is, but
not everything is exactly the same. And I used to
(06:39):
freak out over that. I'm like, this is my size,
and if I'm not fitting in my size, I will
not buy from this company because this is my size.
And there was no wiggle room with that because I
felt like if I went up any size number then
mentally I couldn't handle it. I was so attached to
a size number. And I now know better that numbers
(07:03):
don't matter on the scale, but then numbers don't matter
on my tags either. Or I used to hold onto
clothes that I thought would fit me one day when
I get there, and they just never did, and they
just sat in my closet and every time I'd go
to put them on, they contributed to poor body image
thoughts for me because I'm still not there yet. I'm
still not there yet. Or I might have bought the
(07:25):
pants that were smaller than I was in the moment
because that's where I want to go. That is doing
such a disservice to your mind and your body and
not allowing you to feel comfortable your You should wear
your clothes. Your clothes should not wear you. You should
be able to wear clothes that you put on that
make you feel confident, no matter what size. It says
and I think it's so important to recognize the variability
(07:45):
in sizing and not allow that to throw you off. Yeah,
when I was able to let go of that, it
was a game changer because I can now order things
online and go into a store and buy things that, yes,
are going to ultimately make me feel good and feel
more confident and feel cute without you know, thinking about
(08:07):
the tag on the inside that nobody else is even seeing.
It's such a mind game with yourself, and you know,
no one probably sees the number on your scale either
for that matter, but we just we are our own
worst critic, Like we're the ones judging ourselves left and right.
And I just feel like once I was able to
let that go, it just was such a thing where
I was like, Okay, I now know better, and I
(08:28):
know that I'm not the only one. And Lisa clearly
had some issues with that too, And I just want
you to know if you're doing that, it's okay. You're
not alone, and I hope that you will get to
a place where the size won't matter. I saw someone
put on Instagram the other day they were trying on
jeans at Target. Maybe it was a meme I don't know.
And she said, I put on a size sixteen pair
(08:50):
of jeans that I couldn't even zip up. And she's like,
so then I took him off. This kind of long
for a meme, but maybe I'm paraphrasing. I don't know
exactly how it went, but she's like, throw them on
the round. She goes put on my size ting jeans
that I wore into Target that day and left. I mean,
it was just to her, it was like, Okay, what
in the world, Like sizes are so off and they
(09:11):
don't mean anything right, but we've been trained to believe
if that number is up, then we have done something wrong.
And then you're wearing this other pair of pants that
says a completely different number. It goes to show how
much we dictate our own reality off of something external
versus taking inventory of where we are in space and
time and in our bodies, which rolls into another thing
(09:38):
that I now know better, and it's that we all
have different bodies. And just because someone else is doing
a certain quote unquote meal plan or quote unquote workout routine,
I can match everything that person is doing, food item
for food item, workout move for workout move, and my
(09:59):
body might still look very different than whoever this person
is that I'm comparing myself to. Do you know who?
Jesse James Decker is Lisa a little bit. She's country World, right. Yeah,
she has a lot of different things going on. She's
married to a former football player, but they have very
active lifestyles, like whatever physique that you know, they show
(10:20):
off in their swimsuits and different things. And I like
Jesse James Zucker. I don't know her really well, but
she's come on the Bobby Bones Show before, and I
think she's really nice. Like I don't have anything bad
to say at all whatsoever. But she did put up
oh what I Eat in a day type thing, and
it ended up getting taken down because probably she got
so much heat for it. But it was really minimal food,
(10:42):
you know. It was like a smoothie, and then for
lunch it was like a piece of toast and maybe
some more coffee, and then for dinner it was a
tiny amount of protein with some veggis. And she has
so many girls and women that follow her, like millions,
and so I'm sure she got backlash for it, But
(11:02):
at the time, I was like, oh man, it's a
bummer that she put that up. I'm glad she took
it down, but I know girls already saw that, and
it's too late. And she does have this by society
standard type body that I'm pretty sure she's just I
don't want to take away that she works hard, because
I'm sure she works out and does what she needs
to do to feel confident in her body in that way.
But you can't deny sometimes when someone is genetically a
(11:26):
certain way and then it's portrayed online of like, if
you do this workout and if you eat this food,
then you two can look like me, which is again
what is more acceptable by society standards. And I'm glad
that we're seeing more diversity out there and we're learning
because when I the reason why I think that or
I had to know better, the reason why I thought,
(11:47):
oh I can end up looking that way is because
society told me, if you do this, then this is
the body you will have. And now I feel like
we're doing a better job moving past that of like, no,
look at all these beautiful bodies. This is not the
one way to look. This is not the only way.
So I'm thankful that young girls are seeing that. But
(12:07):
when she put up that post, I was like, Oh,
this is this is not the direction we need to go.
So I'm glad she took it down. Yeah, there's something
called the thin ideal internalization, and it's the idea that
there's one way to look and we're psychologically affected and
we kind of eat up this message and believe that
if we can achieve this thin ideal, we will achieve
(12:30):
these positive outcomes health, happiness, confidence, you know, romantic success,
all of that. And you know, I think that when
you are in a body that is a thin ideal
like I have, or maybe I don't know her, but
like maybe she naturally is like that like you said,
or maybe she even works hard. But when you live
in this body, I think it's important you still can
(12:51):
exist in your body, but it's important to recognize that
the world has been chasing this ideal and therefore what
you put out there needs to be an acknowledgement of
either the body that you occupy or that you will
have a different outcome based on your own body, and
that that is beautiful too, and that food is not
(13:12):
the vehicle to achieve this body because there's not just
one body to arrive too. So I think we're like
slowly dismantling this idea. Like you said that there's one
way to look, and we're in the middle of that
where a lot of people are kind of like stuck
in the throws. I think we quickly arrived here, not
really quickly. The last five years, we kind of just
(13:33):
sped up the timeline of bs in diet world and
body image wise, and a lot of people haven't really
digested all of that information or understood how they could
possibly contribute negatively, even if they didn't mean to, even
if they don't have issues with the food or body
image themselves. But um, with social media, I think it
is really important for influencers of any size to be
(13:57):
aware of the impact that you're having on young women
when this thin ideal exists and not everybody can achieve
it or that needs to be the ideal. Right, So
we're dismantling that ideal, but it's taking time, and a
lot of people I think are stuck in the throw
is not knowing the negative impact that they're having. Yeah.
I saw a dietitian posts the other day she was
(14:19):
did acute real and it was what I eat in
a day, And then it was her going to her
fridge and she opened it up and she was like, yeah,
she's like just kidding, yeah, nutrition tea, Yes, yeah, she's
so cute. And she was like, just kidding. You'll never
see me doing that, And I thought that was such
a cute way to, you know, show people what she
(14:40):
eats in a day might not be what you need
to eat in the day, and if you were to
mimic someone's meal plan. Just to kind of put a
bow on this one is I just thought, if I
do what exactly what this celebrity or this person or
this friend that I you know, thought had it all
figured out, if I do exactly what they do, I
will look like them. And that is just not the case,
(15:03):
and nor should I want that to be the case.
I want to be me and I want to be
happy and not stressed out trying to chase somebody else's body.
And this is a conversation Lisa and I have had
offline when we're not recording two and we want to
recognize our thin privilege or I don't know how you
would say it, Lisa, what's the we have. We don't
(15:23):
discuss it a lot, but if you're listening, right now
you may know what we look like, and our biggest
fear is that someone might hear us talk or maybe
not biggest fear, but something that we've talked about is
that there might be an eye roll or we don't
understand or what gives us the right to talk about this? Lisa,
can you just speak to that. Yeah, it's something that
I struggle with a lot, because when I entered the
(15:44):
conversation of food stuff, I didn't realize where I stood
in relation to the big picture of all of this.
And Amy and I both occupy thin, white bodies of
all sorts of privilege, and I could imagine that there's
plenty of listeners that might think that we don't get it,
and I'm here to say, you're right, we don't get it.
(16:06):
And I don't know what it's like to live in
a body that I've never lived in before. And I
don't pretend to know your pain or your struggle or
that reality, but I do aim to learn more about
what it's like to exist for you and partake, and
Amy and I strongly want to create a world where
we can all exist and all learn to take really
good care of our health. If that's a priority. To
(16:28):
you without your body size dictating how the world views it,
if that makes any sense. So, yeah, that's just a
personal struggle of mine as a registered dietitian, as somebody
who is passionate about being part of this conversation. I
recognize where I stand with it, which is I've always
been in a thin body amy your story might be
different than mine, but you know, I I hate that
(16:49):
we are probably missing the mark for some people who
we could help because they think that we don't get
it and that we are naive to it. So I
guess I'm here to say that we don't get it,
but we're not naive to it, and we still feel
that we're helping a lot of people and not harming
those that are here but might not look at me
(17:11):
and see a similarity physically. Does that make sense? And
I'm glad we I didn't know we would bring this
up just now in this episode because yeah, again it's
something we've talked about as we talk about what do
we want to do without way, what do we see
for this podcast and who are we speaking to and
are they resonating with us? And are we the people
for that? Should it be you know, other people and
(17:33):
we're intentional about guests that we're bringing on and other
contributors to the podcast, and we want you all to
know that. So just know that you just got a
little peek into a conversation that Lisa and I are
continuing to have and what we want this to look like.
And I guess I'll wrap by sharing one more thing
that I now know better since we're in the holiday
(17:54):
season or really preparing for anything. Maybe it's not even holidays.
You're preparing for an event sometimes if you have a
part coming up. For me, I work in the entertainment world,
so I may have work events and festivals and things
that I'm hosting, or red carpet or something that I
might be getting for. So this may, depending on what
you do, fall into whatever category whatever. If you're getting
(18:15):
ready for something a party, a holiday meal, you know
you're hosting something big at work and you want to
quote unquote feel your best. I now know that it's
okay to fuel my body just the same all week
long or all day long leading up to whatever said event.
I used to think that in order to feel my best,
I had to you know, cleanse or juice or restrict
(18:40):
and that was going to have me on my A game,
and really I was depleted and tired and cranky and hungry,
and I wasn't bringing my A game. And even if
it's like a holiday meal that you're restricting for up
into that meal, like what are you doing during that day?
You're missing out on maybe some quality family time because
(19:03):
your brain is you know, haven't given it the fuel
that it needs, or you're obsessing about food and thinking
about all the food that you're about to have, so
you're not engaged in that quality time. And so while
you know, prepping for a holiday meal or a Christmas
party or something is very different than prepping for a
work event, it still is the same thing. You're still restricting.
(19:25):
I just was like I wasn't giving myself what I needed.
And I now know, being two years into my recovery,
that I've done work events now. I had one a
couple of weeks ago in Austin where I rolled into
that weekend and I was living the same life I
was living the week before when I had no of
it to get ready for, or the two weeks before
when I really was far away from an event and
(19:47):
I was just just such a piece came over me,
and there wasn't this stress of also too traveling and
having to pack all this food because I was so restricted,
or make sure I had certain foods in my hotel room,
and and I just was so more breezy and go
with the flow. And when you're arriving at these Christmas parties,
sometimes you might be taking your own dishes and you're
(20:09):
not very go with the flow, or you're freaking out
of what people are going to be serving. And I
just want you to know, too, there is hope in this,
and that it is possible to be the same person,
eating the same things, doing whatever you want to do,
workout wise with your body as you were when you
weren't preparing for an event. You can show up as
that same exact person and give yourself food and give
(20:29):
yourself a workout if that's what you want. Is that
making sense, Lisa, Yes, that makes a ton of sense.
Your life is just the same and there's no pedestal
because of an event, and therefore you take good care
of your body every single day, whether that's moving it
not moving it, drinking the green juice, not drinking the
green juice. And there's freedom in that because you're flowing
through life, not resisting and fighting it every step of
(20:50):
the way. I will say a couple of years ago,
if you would have been like, hey, you're going to
go out to dinner and not have control over what
is inside your food, and then there's going to be
cake served because you're celebrating somebody, and then you have
to get into address the next day for work event,
I probably would have not gone to that dinner. I
would have been like, you know what, I can't put
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myself in that situation because I have a big work
event tomorrow and I have a dress put on and
I have to do this and I need to be
on So I would have stayed home and missed out
on something. And this year I was able to go
do that right before, I was able to celebrate other people,
be with friends, eat out, have cake and guess what
I did the event and my life went on. And
(21:33):
I just share that as encouragement and hope that you
two will be able to start rolling through life like that.
And it does take work. I'm not saying I just
was like made a decision one day. It's like, Okay,
this is how I'm going to live. And so that's
why I'm thankful for Lisa and even courses like her
Fork the Noise program, Brain over Bingees. Something that I
mentioned that helped me might not be for you, but
(21:56):
just that was something that really helped me rewire my brain.
And I'm excited did to announce that Hungerfulness is going
to return again in two I'm ending my maternity leave
in the next few weeks and gonna kind of step
into what's happening next, so I'll put the link below
for anybody who's interested in the wait list. Um, I
think I'm gonna keep this kind of a little like
(22:16):
d L maybe only waitlist only I don't know yet
as I kind of ease back into work. I'm so
proud of this program and I'm excited to be launching
it again. Oh yeah, okay, and then what's the name
of it again? For the Noise Hungerfulness, So I'll put
the link below or fork the Noise dot com and
you can find it so it'll be in the show notes,
so definitely check that out. I can't recommend Lisa's programs enough.
(22:37):
She puts so much effort and heart and soul and
all the things into this stuff, and she truly does care.
So I'm proud of you, Lisa. I'm glad that you're
my partner here on outweigh and yeah, we hope you'll
have a great rest of the day and we will
see you all next Saturday. Four
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