March 20, 2021 • 39 mins
Lisa and Amy break down why listening to your body is hard, how we can move from mind body disconnection BACK TO mind body reconnection and how mindfulness plays a role in strengthening the part of our brain that helps us know EXACTLY what we need. Lisa also breaks down the details of her upcoming program F*RK THE NOISE Hunger + Fullness- what you can expect in terms of content, education, and weekly check-ins.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I won't let my body out out everything that I'm made.
DOT won't spend my life trying to change. I'm learning
to love who I am. I get I'm strong, I
feel free, I know who everybody me. It's beautiful. And
then will always out with if you feel it, with
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yours in the air, She'll some love to the boot there.
Let's say good day and did you and die out
hey outweigh fam. Happy Saturday. Amy and Lisa here and
it's just us, no guests today, but we're gonna be
going over some really important stuff. But I do want
to start off with just a little story that went
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down between Lisa and myself this week. Well, I guess
where it started. Lisa's I was in the pantry and
I was getting some chips out and realized like, oh wow,
look at this, Like I have this whole pantry full
of food and access to this food, and I can
have it whenever I wanted. And these were tortilla chips.
I think they maybe were even like siete, and I
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thought back, I had a flashback to oh my gosh,
I remember when I used to put siete chips in
a food safe to where you could set a timer.
If you had it, then you couldn't get back into
that box of food. Really, they sell it for food cigarettes,
cell phones, like if you have a certain limit where
you're trying to stay off of something, you can lock
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it away. It was marketed as food to me, and
even on Amazon they have eminem's in the clear container
or they have cell phones, so really can be used
for anything. But we're calling it a food safe because
it was in my pantry, so it was a food safe.
And I would lock myself out at the chips for
twenty four hours because I felt like if I had
had my quote unquote serving, then I didn't need to
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have them again, and this was a way to ensure
that I didn't eat them. And I was working with
a you know, honestly, I don't even know if their
registered dietitian or what their credentials are, but it was
someone that I had paid money to to help advise
me on my eating and that person introduced me to
a food safe. I never heard of a food safe,
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and looking back, I'm thinking, what in the world. So
then I text Lisa the food safe and she's thinking, what,
I've never even heard of this? So is that seriously,
that's something you've never heard of. I mean, I've heard
of people doing things like putting maybe locks on their
own refrigerator so they don't eat at night and stuff
like that, But I never heard of the term the
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food safe before, and I never heard of like you
can put your own time limit I guess of when
you can reopen it. So I'm just curious now I
feel like we all understand the concept of the food safe.
What was it like mentally when the box locked for you? Like,
did it quote unquote work? Did you stop thinking about
the chips? Did you find another way to get chips?
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Did you wait until that twenty four hours was up
and then run back to that same bag of chips
that was in the safe? Well, I mean I think
in a way it did a job because I wouldn't
eat the whole bag, and that's what I was trying
to avoid, was eating the whole bag or eating too
much in one day. I know, it just continued the
obsession and the addiction to this and I couldn't lock
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away everything. Well that's my question to do. Okay, so
now the chips are locked up, is it like okay,
I'm gonna you know, forage for something else. Yeah, because
I had not done the work to reset my brain
as to why I kept going in for more and
more and more, And that took a lot of work
and read like I read several books, had to unlearned
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like a lot of things, but constantly, Like here's what
a brain over binge taught me. In my binges and
where I would go, I would go to the pantry
and have to like stop and walk away. And once
I walked away enough, I started to unlearn some of
the stuff because I was in Also, I was no
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longer restricting, so then my body was like, oh cool,
like I actually have fuel. So if you keep telling
your brain no and walking away, then that gets easier
the more times I did it. So anyway, I when
I had the food safe, I was still living in
such a place of restriction. So my body was craving
food and I was denying it on all kinds of levels,
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including walking my food away. Yeah. I mean for myself
and clients that I've worked with, it's like even when
we say okay, I'm not going to have this food,
we jump to the next food, and oftentimes we do
what's called like food chasing, almost where we just keep
chasing after eating and we just keep changing what it is. Okay,
so now we're not having the chips, but now we've
moved on to popcorn. Okay, now I've had salty. Let
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me move on to sweet, let me move on to
head sweet, let me move back on to salty. And
it becomes this whole thing where at the end of it,
you just feel really uncomfortable physically and emotionally. You know,
you're consumed with guilt, You're frustrated. You don't know why
you're like this, because I mean, I know when I've
been in those situations, Amy, I don't know about you.
I mean, I know you had the food safe at
the moment, But when I've been in any of those situations,
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I feel like I'm possessed, Like you can't stop me
from getting that food, whether it's ordering a food online
or going very far out of my way to get it,
or just eating anything that's almost available. And it's so
interesting because never did I think that at that time,
and I think you too, that the inner work could
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change your relationship to all these foods, like we thought
that it was the foods. Let me lock them up
for me, I did things like trying to suppress my appetite,
Like I thought I was the problem. You thought you
were the problem, so you tried to control yourself or
the things that were impeding you from feeling like you
could just be a normal person who just eats chips,
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you know. Yeah, I didn't trust myself. Like at the
end of the day, I didn't know how to listen
to my body's cues. I didn't have my body probably
quite literally was trying to communicate to me in my
brain like we're hungry. We're actually are starving even though
you're feeding us so much. Uh sometimes, but I had
so many bouts of restriction as well that I never
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knew how to accurately read what in the world was
going on. Yeah, and I think that like a lot
of everybody here listening, like take a moment to think
about what's one food that you feel like you just
can't keep in the house. I feel like everybody kind
of has that one food that they can't keep in
the house that they won't buy. If they do buy,
they might do things like eat a few and then
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actually throw out the rest of them because it's just
they can't be controlled. Or they might go ahead and
make the healthier version of the thing that they can't
have because this food has proven to them so many
times that they're out of control with it. For me,
that was chocolate covered almonds. I did not think that
I could be do a handful of chocolate covered almonds,
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because whenever I had the almonds, I had all of
the almonds. And that's one of the foods that I
really still enjoyed to this day. And I find it
so interesting that I have a few and I'm like, wow,
this this is good, and i put the rest back,
and sometimes the almonds will sit there for a month,
two months, you know. And not because I locked them up,
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and not because I said I could only have three
a day, and not for any other reason other than
I made peace with them. I stopped demonizing them. I
allowed myself to actually trust them. And then on top
of just the almonds, I eat enough regularly and have
well balanced so I'm not turning to the almonds like
by the point where I have no calories or energy
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left in me that all I can do is kind
of gobble them all up, if that makes any sense.
I have a lot of foods that are on that
list now anything is welcome in my home. But probably
the most recent example, like literally in my freezer right
now is Girl scott Cookies thin Mints, and I love
keeping them in the freezer, but if Girl Scout cookie
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season came around, I was always terrified because I'm like, oh, great,
now I'm going to get a box at thin Mints
and I'm going to have to eat the whole thing
or I'm going to take a few and have to
throw the rest out, because again I don't trust myself.
And now I share this, and Lisa, you share this too,
as hope not to be like, heyy look at us.
We can keep this food in our house, but that
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you can get there, because I used to be so
envious of people that could do that, like buy a
box of Girl Scout cookies and not eat at all
the day you bought them, or not have to throw
them out. And so I am walking testimony to the
fact that I've got the thin Mints in my freezer
and there are days I don't even think about them
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in there. And I opened it up and I'm like, oh,
there's the thin mints, and I get whatever else I needed,
and I closed the door and then eventually, if I
want one, I eat it. If not, I don't. So
it's so fascinating though, because I think that, you know,
everybody listening is probably like, oh, I want to get
to that place. I want to get to that place
where I can have the thin mint in my house,
the chocolate covered almonds. I've had clients say that they
can't keep dried mango in the house. I mean, it
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could be any food that you just tear through. It
does not need to be, you know, any type of
indulgent type thing. Yeah, it does not need to be
an indulgent type food. It could literally be a piece
of dried fruit. It could be raisins. You know. Overall,
I care. And the one thing that I will say
about my own quote unquote arrival or my AHA moment,
and I don't know if you feel this way, is
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that wasn't the goal. I didn't go after the goal
of fixing my relationship to food so that I could
keep chocolate covered almonds in the house. I did the
inner work so that I could have inner peace, and
a side effect one day was walking into the almonds
and realizing that I bought them a month ago and
I was still working through them, not because I restricted,
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not because I allowed myself to have a certain amount,
but because they were just almonds and they were just
there and there was no big deal to have them
at that point. I don't know if you had that
type of same journey, Amy, or if you's kind of
as always like, well, I just want to you know.
I think it's a little bit of both. That the
chaos you feel inside when you're dealing any type of
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addiction or disorder or something that's going on where you
clearly have an unhealthy relationship with X y Z. You
feel chaotic, you don't feel calm, You're in a constant
state of like goo goo Google, Like your brain is
just spinning with all of these thoughts. We've talked before
about the freedom that you get just even in your brain,
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and I think that that's where, um that the space
that we take up when we're obsessing over certain things
that don't matter, then it frees you up to really
take in things that matter. And for me, I wanted
to put in the work because I wanted to be
able to have the bandwidth for that. I no longer
wanted to waste all of this space and energy on
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something that did nothing for me. I mean maybe in
the moments where I was almost like an out of
body experience. I had this temporary like high of assorts,
but that was fleeting super quick, and so then I
was left with what And those are just in the
moments where you know, I was eating and maybe having
negative thoughts or different things that were going on, but
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those thoughts And you've spoken to this too, like you
would lay your head down at night thinking about it,
you would wake up in the morning thinking about it.
And so yeah, just the peace. It was so busy,
It was so just busy. You know, you said the
word calm, and I think that's what it comes down to.
On March one, so on Sunday, I'm kicking off the
next session of for the Noise Hungerfulness. And I spent
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two years working on this course, and it really boils
down to helping to take people from mind body disconnection
back to connection. And when we're in that disconnected space,
it's like we can't read our bodies, we don't trust ourselves.
We are so busy trying to figure out what we
need to do to make up for eating this, that
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we're buying food safes, that we're just so busy trying
to control from the exterior that we've lost that inner
connection that all of us are born with. And last
year I got so nerdy and into the research when
I started to look into something called inter reception. So
it's a big word. And what I love about this
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is that we have a sense in our body called
inter reception, and it's how our bodies communicate exactly what
they need, and it's how our brain represents exactly what's
happening in our body. So the body and brain are
just like constantly communicating, and the bodies communicating with the
brain what it needs, and then the brain lets us
know what to do to assist in it. So an
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easy example of this being intact would be when you
have to urinate. You know, you go to the bathroom
when you are cold, you get a jacket. Right. But
when it comes to things like food, Oh I want
this food or I'm hungry, we have so much noise
that infiltrated the way of letting us know that we
shouldn't feel hungry, that hunger is a bad thing, that
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eating is a bad thing, that eating eating certain foods
at certain times and certain amounts are a bad thing.
That we've become disconnected to that queue and now we're
kind of left in this place of like, well, I
don't know how to listen to my body. You know,
I think all of our listeners would agree or or say,
I want to get there, but I don't know how
to get there. And that's so scary because how how
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do you get there? How do you take those next
steps besides for listening to podcasts, reading books? You know,
how do you reform that trust in your body when
everything you've learned and picked up along the way has
been sent to disrupt it when it comes to food?
And so is this course? And I'm I'm speaking as
someone who has taken Lisa's courses and highly benefited from them.
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Lisa is a huge part of why I am where
I am, and I found her on Instagram, so I'm
beyond thankful they're at the time. I'll frame it like
a puzzle, because I'm really into puzzles now. But I
had maybe this little, a little, teeny tiny puzzle, but
there were several different pieces to the puzzle that I needed,
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and Lisa and her courses were one of them. And
so is that something that you unpack in the course obviously,
like what can we expect? Yeah, So, I mean all
of my courses and all of the work that I
do in this world when it comes to food, and
just like life has to come down to coming back
home to our bodies and allowing ourselves to experience body awareness.
Our bodies are sending us information all the time, whether
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it's about our emotions or are how cold we are
or how hungry we are, or whatever it is that
we need the body is, or we're anxious, or you know,
whatever it is, it's sending us communication signals. But there's
so much going on exterior wise or coming from the
outside coming in that we're really numb to that beautiful
connection that's intact. And so mindfulness is kind of the
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key to all of my work and what I found
fascinating when I started to learn about inter reception because
as soon as I was like, wait a minute, this
is something we all have. There's research to prove this stuff.
This there's a part of our brain called the insula
cortex that specifically controls our inter receptive awareness. I'm like, okay,
I can get people to believe that they can do this,
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and believing that they can do this is kind of
the first step I think of knowing that there's that
hope that you talked about, right, like, your body is
meant to do this stuff. Let's just take it back
to the basics. And so I very quickly found that
when it comes to inter receptive awareness and being able
to understand our bodies, the best way to improve that
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is through mindfulness practices, by meditation, by stillness, by being
non judging to our emotions and our sensations, by being nonreactive. Right,
buying the food safe is reactive amy Right, like me
going on a diet on Monday because I ate blah
blah blah is reactive. Okay, But I will say I again,
I was given this information from somebody that I trusted,
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and I feel like a lot of us when if
listeners now may be like, well, wait a second, I'm
I'd be doing X, Y and Z. But somebody that
I look up to in quote unquote health and nutrition
told me to do X, Y and Z. So now
I know how to to separate the noise. I guess,
I would say, because there are a lot of really
awesome people, but giving information that would counter exactly what
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we're trying to do here, and by society standards, they're
not doing anything wrong. So I would just say, like,
I don't know why I wanted to interject this, but
that the noise can even come from really respectable people
that don't mean any harm. So the noise I had
to shut out was from myself, but also from people
that are you know, looked to for advice on how
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to care for their bodies, and then at the same
time it was doing me such damage. Well, I think fortunately,
I know this was a number of years ago with
the food safe you know, the words disordered eating didn't exist,
and in the absence of talking about this stuff all
the time, a lot of practitioners weren't trained to know
what disordered eating was. It wasn't brought to the attention,
and so by trying to help you with what you
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came as your problem portions or not being able to
control yourself, she offered the quote unquote solution. I'm sure
there's plenty of people that would say that that's you know,
still fine, but you have to dig deeper. And that's
what I love about this is this isn't a band aid.
This is more of like going in for surgery. Yeah, well,
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I mean it's really about, you know what, It's called
hunger and fullness. But even that is an oversimplification of
what this course is. I think most people that hear
the name forth the noise hungerfulness, I think that it's
going to be okay. Well, if I could just listen
to my hunger and listen to my fullness, then everything
would be easy. My problem is is that I overeat.
I hear this one all the time. I don't know, lately,
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I've been hearing it more often than I restrict. I've
been hearing of Oh, restriction isn't my problem, Lea. So
you talk about that all the time over eating is
my problem. But then when we break down why they overeat,
it's actually because of restriction. It might be restriction in
a different way than you had it amy, which is
different than the way I restricted. So the way that
I used to restrict was with saying what foods that
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I specifically could eat at what times, by um staving
off hunger as long as I could, because I viewed
hunger and feeling it almost as like powerful and it's
a little bit sick and twisted, but you know, you
can kind of relate in some way and I thought
that once I started eating, I wouldn't be able to stop.
And I proved that to myself every single time, because
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I'd find myself going into meal so hungry that I
was not selective about what I'd eat. I ate food
so freaking fast, like it was always like shovel into
the mouth, and I was always scared I did this.
Was so unconscious by the way that I didn't know
when my next meal would be because I was always
trying to get back to that place of Okay, I'm
not gonna eat till I'm really really hungry. That it
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was like my window of opportunity to eat. But I
never thought, oh, maybe you should change how you go
into the meal differently. I thought, oh, I just need
to control what I eat, if that makes sense. So
this course isn't just about learning the gentle cues of Oh,
this is what an appropriate level of hunger should feel
like when you start a meal. Your blood sugar shouldn't
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be dropped to the floor. You shouldn't feel like you're dizzy,
you shouldn't be lightheaded, you shouldn't be cranky. In fact,
it should be just a very undramatic drop in your
blood sugar before you reach for something to eat. Most
of the time, of course, there are situations where you know,
we get a little bit more low and we're not
as focused on on food. But the other thing that
this course really hopes to disrupt is this idea that
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the only time we're allowed to eat is because we're
physically hungry, so that you know, as human beings, I
think that we just need to recognize that we eat
for a million and one different reasons. And I call
these things different types of hunger because all the word
hunger means is a motivation to eat. And sometimes we
eat things like chips right when we're not physically hungry.
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So maybe we already had our turkey sandwich for lunch
and an apple and maybe popcorn, but there's something about
chips that still sounds good. Right. Most people would say, oh,
I shouldn't have eaten those I wasn't hungry. But when
we expand the definition to include something like I include
eleven types of hunger in this course to start thinking
about like mouth hunger. Your mouth just wants a chip, right,
it sounds really good. It makes you salvate, or maybe
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it's a brownie. If you're not a salty person right now,
I'm pregnant and all about the chips and the salty.
So that's just where my head's at right now. But
a lot of people, you know, are the sweet tooth
person when it comes to mouth hunger. Oh I want
that donut, I can't have it. I already ate. When
you give yourself permission, I call it the power of
permission to eat because of mouth hunger or because of
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bonding hunger is another one, you and Stashira sharing what's
the food that you recently had together, like for fun,
peanut eminem's, peanut eminem's right, Like, you probably didn't have
the peanut eminem's as your dinner. Maybe you weren't even
craving them. It wasn't even mouth hunger where they sounded
so amazing. But it was an opportunity to bond with
Stashira as well as you do something really important for
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setting the tone of food in your home. So that
is a reason to eat, right Can you imagine he said,
Oh I can't have those peanut eminem's. I already ate, right,
which I have done before early on, like h for
anybody that's new, I adopted my kids, uh, and they
were older. Sashia arrived here when she was tin from Haiti,
and I had such strict food rules then and now
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she's almost fourteen and are my relationship with food is
very different. Therefore my relationship around food and her and
things that I eat with her. And because of her,
she also got this what is that Japanese ice cream mochi?
So she loves mochi and she loves the mango one
and she's like, Mom, let's have some mochi. And so
we get out of the freezer and we cut one
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and half and we have it together. And that's something
I literally would not have been able to enjoy with her.
And yeah, same thing with the peanut eminem's. We went
to the gas station. There was a bag that says,
you know, like tear and share or whatever. She's like, Mom,
let's tear share. That's a moment. That's a thing. No,
I wasn't hungry, but was it cool to be able
to do that with her and not you know, completely
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stress out about it. And I'll just correct you to
say you weren't physically hungry, right, there was a motivation
to consume them, right, Yeah, Like I need to learn
these leaven hungers. Well, you know, you're kind of at
a level where it's coming very naturally to you, and
I'm at the place where it's naturally to me as well.
Every time I want to eat something, I'm not, oh,
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what type of hunger is this? To give myself permission.
But in the beginning, when we're so wrapped up in
oh I should do this, I shouldn't do this. I
can't believe I did this, that whole negative thought cycle
around food. We can elevate our consciousness, which basically just means, hey,
get present, get out of your head and into your
body and say why do I want this? I want
this because, oh, this food reminds me of my grandma
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and I miss her today. This that's memory hunger, I
call it. You know, I'm doing this with Tashira. Was
social bonding hunger. You know, there's so many other type
but those are just some examples of I don't want
anybody to sign up for this course thinking that it's
just about learning to tune into those sensations of hunger
and stop when you're full because you want to lose weight.
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We don't do this course because we want to lose weight.
Sometimes people's weights do change. I get that as feedback.
It's not something that I'm looking to. You know, use
to talk about this program, but some people will say
I actually did end up losing weight because my relationship
to food is really peaceful now and I'm ending meals
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at a comfortable place because I'm going in at a
comfortable place, and so I care far more about the
inner piece that people are finding rather than, you know,
the typical ways that we quantify success. So like a
program like this, Lisa, what can people expect the time
commitment to be? So this is actually my third time
running it, second time in one. We just wrapped up
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the last course and it was super successful and I
personally just love the because I get to see some
of your faces. It's a six week program, so each
week for six weeks, a new module is dropped. So
when we kick off on March twenty one, on Sunday,
your first module is going to be released. You'll get
your module, which has prerecorded video lessons, and then some
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of the modules have some extra things like a meditation
or some homework or a worksheet for you to pretty
much work through over the course of this week. And
each week we kind of moved together as a group.
You also get access to a Facebook group, and if
you do the V I P option, which I so
hope you will, you not just get access to this
material forever, but you also come to live calls that
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happened three times over the course of the program, and
that means we're going to be face to face, just
like me and Amy are face to face right now
on Zoom as a group, and we really dive into
the material in a way where I can further explain it,
make sure you understand it, answer questions related to the material,
but also address the things that are happening in real
life and how to put them into context use in
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your life. And that's kind of the benefit for me.
But I will say that the people that come to
the live calls get the most out of the program
in general. And I just want to say and that
Lisa doesn't even know that I'm gonna probably doesn't want
me to hear like hyping her up, because in no
way is out a way a place where we're like, Okay, yeah,
now you need to take this course or sign up
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for that. But Lisa has these programs that she has
poured her life into, like this is your work, this
is what you are passionate about, and you create this
to help others. And I just want to pump you
up for a little bit because I, again have benefited
from the course and I want you listening to know
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that making an investment in yourself is okay. And some
of you might be thinking like, oh, I don't really
know if I even have the time for that or
if I have the resources. Well, if you don't, then
just continue showing up where you can, continue listening to podcasts,
maybe if you're doing therapy or doing whatever it is
that you're doing, to show up for yourself so that
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you can be working towards this. But I will say
that I didn't get to where I am without carving
out the space to put in the work. And what
was funny was I would always carve out space for
a workout, right, Like I had no issue paying for
a gym membership or yoga classes or whatever I wanted
(26:24):
to spend money on to work out I would do
and I would carve out that time as well. And
it was interesting to see my perspective shift and think,
I don't know if I have time for something like this,
and then start to replace my workouts with watching one
of Lisa's videos or doing a workbook. I mean, I,
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like I said, of mine, is a puzzle piece. I
had a few different puzzle pieces in Lisa's Instagram and
curriculum and encouragement and wisdom was a puzzle piece for me.
But I had other workbooks that I did, I had
other online stuff that I was invested in, but it
was over a couple of years. But I had to
make that a priority for myself. And so I'll stop
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rambling just to say that Lisa is amazing and she
presents things in a way that help you really understand it.
And if you do have the ability to take this
course and invest the time and make you a priority,
I promise you're going to come out on the other
side and part of your puzzle, you'll have another piece
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put in place, and you'll be headed towards where I
would say I am now and I'm I'm excited, I
get to say, and I'm not. I'm still I still
feel like I'm on a journey and I'm still learning,
but I do feel like I'm a little bit more complete.
And I know we have a lot of listeners that
want to be there, but I don't want to say
you're just going to get there by not investing in
yourself in any way, whatever that looks like for you. Yeah,
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and I mean there's a few things that I want
to say out the door. I mean, just to address price,
because I know that's always kind of a thing. First
of all, outway listeners are getting fifteen percent off, and
your code is outweigh HF at checkout, and I'll put
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then your discount code is going to be outweigh HF.
That's going to be fifteen percent off. The second thing
I do want to say is that I really work
hard to make my courses affordable. That has been noticed
by people in the past that what I put into
them in no way reflects what you're going to get.
And that's because I am really passionate about helping as
many people as I possibly can. For reference, usually courses
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of this type are three to four, maybe five times
the price. But for me, I'm here to do this
work for a long time and impact hopefully a lot
of people. And this is a program where I really
don't like to do any sort of self promotion. It's
just kind of uncomfortable for me. But I am really
proud of this program, especially after seeing it come to
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life with the students who have taken it and watching
them really make huge strides in their life. I really
believe in this program and this work, And from a
personal level, I can tell you that when I started
to really understand the sensations in my body, make peace
with hunger, get to know feelings of fullness, trust that
if I want more later, I can always have it
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really break down so much of what I built up
in terms of that control that we talked about here,
life got easier. And I think that we try so
hard to control ourselves with these exterior things that we
don't just control ourselves. We put ourselves in captivity of
our own bodies, and when we let go of the
controls that we think are going to keep us in place,
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only then do we find freedom. And the freedom feels
like control, but it's not that tight, rigid control we
were trying to put ourselves in a box. Or when
we use the food safe or whatever, you know, silly
kind of things you've done in the past to try
and solve that surface level problem. We're getting to the
root underneath, and we're coming back to mind body connection
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and it's not just about the food with this stuff.
When we have the ability to connect with these parts
of our bodies that are helping us communicate our needs,
we not only become our own best caretakers. So we're
nourishing ourselves and we're energized, and we're feeling good, and
we're eating really nourishing foods too because that feels good.
But we're also better able to make decisions in our
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life when it comes to career and relationships and boundaries
and all these things that we've been too worried to
do so because we just wanted to please other people.
So I think my favorite part of just doing this
work in general is the fact that when we start
with the food, it bleeds into life. And that's what
this is really about, making your life a little bit
more peaceful, a little bit more joyful, and a little
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bit more better, recognizing that it's not easy. I love
that you use the word captivity and then just to
put a bow on it back to yeah, my my
food safe. I might have been locking up my chips,
but I was really just locking up myself. The food
safe is just your example. Amy. I had a one
on one call with a student after we wrapped up
who just wanted to talk about some things. And on
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our last live call, she was a v I P student.
She said, I'm I'm still using my Fitness Pal that
you know, like a calorie tracking app, and I'm just
really afraid to leave it. And I could hear from
the way she spoke that she was actually ready to
step away, but she needed a little bit encouragement. And
I felt that if I gave her the push, she
would want to do that. She just needed somebody to
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tell her it's okay. And so this was a few
weeks after she had let go of it, and she said, Lisa,
I have to tell you, and this is a little
bit of a loaded conversation. It's not gonna be all positive.
Everybody listening, She said, Lisa, I am feeling so much
more peaceful. I have not binged in three weeks. I'm
eating more nourishing foods than ever, my plate is balanced,
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I have energy, I feel amazing. But I have to
tell you I went to the doctor yesterday and they
weighed me, and I weighed the exact same, and all
of a sudden, I feel like I haven't made any progress,
and what's this worth? And we had a conversation about this,
and I'm just going to call her Brianna for the
sake of the story. But I said, Brianna, how do
you track progress? If I asked you three weeks ago,
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what does progress mean to you, she would have said, oh,
you know, I want to feel good in my body.
I want to eat nourishing food, so I don't want
to binge. And I said, well, did you accomplish those things?
And she said yes? And I said, so, how could
you say that you haven't made any progress? And she said, oh,
I guess you're right. I was just chalking all my
progress up to you know, wait. And it just told
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so much about how we've been told to view what
eating should do for our bodies. And that metric about
her weight told us nothing about her true health, first
of all, nothing about her true happiness. And that weight
could also be the appropriate weight for her at this time.
So for anybody listening, whether you take this course or not,
I just really think it's an important exercise to right
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now take out an index card and make a list
of all the things that you call progress. What do
you want in your life? For Amy, I think you
would have said, I want to be able to have
a bag of peanuts with my daughter and not overthink it,
or have a birthday cake or whatever. You know, whatever
it is for you, I just know that Amy gave
that example on this talk. Maybe it's that you don't
want to binge and you want to be able to
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just enjoy foods and feel good and make nourishing choices.
Maybe weight is even on that progress report for you
because it's your progress report. However, you want to assess
your progress right now, make a list, okay, and then
in two weeks, let's revisit this. And if you are
tracking your weight, you haven't moved away, feel free to
put your weight on there. And then I want you
to tally up your score. And so rather than feeling
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like you got a zero at the end of the
month or the week, because let's say your weight was
unchanged or it went up, which you might not view
as a good thing, can you take into consideration the
other amazing things that you've learned along the way and
recognize that your g p A, so to speak, is
really more like a three point five. Maybe it's not
a four point oh in your eyes today, but you
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have a plenty of progress that should go out the
window just because your weight has gone unchanged. I love that.
I don't know if that's helpful, but we did that
with my students this week who weren't in that call,
and I just think it's it's very easy how quick
our brains get clouded with old ideas unless we kind
of zoom out and remember the big picture, which is
so hard to do when we go into that fearful
mode of oh, my weight is creeping up on me,
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or it's getting worse and I already gained from the
pandemic and all these things that we talk about all
the time. And I don't want to minimize anybody's fear
or say that that's not important. How you feel in
your body is a percent important, but how you feel
in your life is really important too, and we gotta
start there. That's huge, Like, that's yeah. I think that
a lot of people might give themselves and f right
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away just based on the weight. And I'll just throw
in quickly too before we wrap that, Lisa was you
used quote unquote Brianna's uh my fitness power And I
know that that's that's a real story with a client
and you just made up her name, but you know
you helped me get off my Fitness pal so you
were part of me letting go of that. And very similarly,
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I remember texting you one night, probably one of the
first nights I didn't enter in my food, and it's
almost like I couldn't even go to sleep because I
had no idea what my intake was that day, and
I didn't know how I was going to sleep and
then wake up the next morning. And it took me
a few weeks to really finally settle. But I remember
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seeing a picture of myself about a weekend to deleting
the app, and I thought in my head that I
looked bigger, and I sent you the picture and I'm like,
I know you wanted me to delete my Fitness Palm,
Well but look at me, I'm bigger and you just
said you were fly back Amy. I honestly, if you
were to shown me this picture last week, you look
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the same. You look the same. But even if I
did look bigger forsake of this conversation. Does that really matter?
Because I finally had a little bit of freedom. I
wasn't shackled to this app on my phone, um causing
me to enter in every single thing that I put
in my body. And that was a time suck and
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a fun suck and a that's the captivity. That's the
captivity right under the guy's control. I'll just use the
app and I'll be in control meanwhile, full on captivity. Oh,
I need to measure this food to make sure that
I put the exact number in and make stay in
my green and well. For me, it wasn't that I
went to the doctor and was waged. For me, it
was that, you know, we took a picture at work
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with some big artists that was in and all I
could see was not like a cool moment with this
person at work, Like it was, Uh, do is that
what I look like right now? But if that I
was grading myself on how my brain was seeing myself
in that picture and maybe how my genes felt that
day or whatever, when really I should have, like you're saying,
looked at all the accomplishments I had had over that
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week that were actually better for me and my g
p A would have been a lot higher. And that's
bringing mindfulness to a really hard moment. That's bringing non
reactivity to a moment where your your primal brain, your
limbic brain, your emotional brain, which is very conditioned to
see your worth tied to your weight or your size,
just jumped right back into command. So there's so many
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tools that we need to learn as to Okay, my
body is feeling scared right now, what does this mean?
Do I need to react to this? Can I calm
down before I make any decisions and bring ourselves back
to that higher level of functioning so that we can
make choices that reflect who we really want to be.
And I also just want to say I remember the
picture now and the artist and you looked radiant. So
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thank you, good, thanks. I appreciate that our favorite word
or our adjective, you're on outweigh. So yeah, Lisa gives
the course info one more time. I'll put it all
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have that first week where you can kind of join
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out on anything, I promise. Well, Lisa, I am thankful
to have you in my life and to have you
as a resource, and to have you know, to be
a recipient of all of your hard work. Thank you
for for making this what you do, and thank you
for allowing me to do this, which is my true
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Let's say good day and did you and die out
hey outweigh fam. Happy Saturday. Amy and Lisa here and
it's just us, no guests today, but we're gonna be
going over some really important stuff. But I do want
to start off with just a little story that went
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down between Lisa and myself this week. Well, I guess
where it started. Lisa's I was in the pantry and
I was getting some chips out and realized like, oh wow,
look at this, Like I have this whole pantry full
of food and access to this food, and I can
have it whenever I wanted. And these were tortilla chips.
I think they maybe were even like siete, and I
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thought back, I had a flashback to oh my gosh,
I remember when I used to put siete chips in
a food safe to where you could set a timer.
If you had it, then you couldn't get back into
that box of food. Really, they sell it for food cigarettes,
cell phones, like if you have a certain limit where
you're trying to stay off of something, you can lock
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it away. It was marketed as food to me, and
even on Amazon they have eminem's in the clear container
or they have cell phones, so really can be used
for anything. But we're calling it a food safe because
it was in my pantry, so it was a food safe.
And I would lock myself out at the chips for
twenty four hours because I felt like if I had
had my quote unquote serving, then I didn't need to
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have them again, and this was a way to ensure
that I didn't eat them. And I was working with
a you know, honestly, I don't even know if their
registered dietitian or what their credentials are, but it was
someone that I had paid money to to help advise
me on my eating and that person introduced me to
a food safe. I never heard of a food safe,
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and looking back, I'm thinking, what in the world. So
then I text Lisa the food safe and she's thinking, what,
I've never even heard of this? So is that seriously,
that's something you've never heard of. I mean, I've heard
of people doing things like putting maybe locks on their
own refrigerator so they don't eat at night and stuff
like that, But I never heard of the term the
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food safe before, and I never heard of like you
can put your own time limit I guess of when
you can reopen it. So I'm just curious now I
feel like we all understand the concept of the food safe.
What was it like mentally when the box locked for you? Like,
did it quote unquote work? Did you stop thinking about
the chips? Did you find another way to get chips?
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Did you wait until that twenty four hours was up
and then run back to that same bag of chips
that was in the safe? Well, I mean I think
in a way it did a job because I wouldn't
eat the whole bag, and that's what I was trying
to avoid, was eating the whole bag or eating too
much in one day. I know, it just continued the
obsession and the addiction to this and I couldn't lock
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away everything. Well that's my question to do. Okay, so
now the chips are locked up, is it like okay,
I'm gonna you know, forage for something else. Yeah, because
I had not done the work to reset my brain
as to why I kept going in for more and
more and more, And that took a lot of work
and read like I read several books, had to unlearned
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like a lot of things, but constantly, Like here's what
a brain over binge taught me. In my binges and
where I would go, I would go to the pantry
and have to like stop and walk away. And once
I walked away enough, I started to unlearn some of
the stuff because I was in Also, I was no
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longer restricting, so then my body was like, oh cool,
like I actually have fuel. So if you keep telling
your brain no and walking away, then that gets easier
the more times I did it. So anyway, I when
I had the food safe, I was still living in
such a place of restriction. So my body was craving
food and I was denying it on all kinds of levels,
(04:24):
including walking my food away. Yeah. I mean for myself
and clients that I've worked with, it's like even when
we say okay, I'm not going to have this food,
we jump to the next food, and oftentimes we do
what's called like food chasing, almost where we just keep
chasing after eating and we just keep changing what it is. Okay,
so now we're not having the chips, but now we've
moved on to popcorn. Okay, now I've had salty. Let
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me move on to sweet, let me move on to
head sweet, let me move back on to salty. And
it becomes this whole thing where at the end of it,
you just feel really uncomfortable physically and emotionally. You know,
you're consumed with guilt, You're frustrated. You don't know why
you're like this, because I mean, I know when I've
been in those situations, Amy, I don't know about you.
I mean, I know you had the food safe at
the moment, But when I've been in any of those situations,
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I feel like I'm possessed, Like you can't stop me
from getting that food, whether it's ordering a food online
or going very far out of my way to get it,
or just eating anything that's almost available. And it's so
interesting because never did I think that at that time,
and I think you too, that the inner work could
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change your relationship to all these foods, like we thought
that it was the foods. Let me lock them up
for me, I did things like trying to suppress my appetite,
Like I thought I was the problem. You thought you
were the problem, so you tried to control yourself or
the things that were impeding you from feeling like you
could just be a normal person who just eats chips,
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you know. Yeah, I didn't trust myself. Like at the
end of the day, I didn't know how to listen
to my body's cues. I didn't have my body probably
quite literally was trying to communicate to me in my
brain like we're hungry. We're actually are starving even though
you're feeding us so much. Uh sometimes, but I had
so many bouts of restriction as well that I never
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knew how to accurately read what in the world was
going on. Yeah, and I think that like a lot
of everybody here listening, like take a moment to think
about what's one food that you feel like you just
can't keep in the house. I feel like everybody kind
of has that one food that they can't keep in
the house that they won't buy. If they do buy,
they might do things like eat a few and then
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actually throw out the rest of them because it's just
they can't be controlled. Or they might go ahead and
make the healthier version of the thing that they can't
have because this food has proven to them so many
times that they're out of control with it. For me,
that was chocolate covered almonds. I did not think that
I could be do a handful of chocolate covered almonds,
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because whenever I had the almonds, I had all of
the almonds. And that's one of the foods that I
really still enjoyed to this day. And I find it
so interesting that I have a few and I'm like, wow,
this this is good, and i put the rest back,
and sometimes the almonds will sit there for a month,
two months, you know. And not because I locked them up,
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and not because I said I could only have three
a day, and not for any other reason other than
I made peace with them. I stopped demonizing them. I
allowed myself to actually trust them. And then on top
of just the almonds, I eat enough regularly and have
well balanced so I'm not turning to the almonds like
by the point where I have no calories or energy
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left in me that all I can do is kind
of gobble them all up, if that makes any sense.
I have a lot of foods that are on that
list now anything is welcome in my home. But probably
the most recent example, like literally in my freezer right
now is Girl scott Cookies thin Mints, and I love
keeping them in the freezer, but if Girl Scout cookie
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season came around, I was always terrified because I'm like, oh, great,
now I'm going to get a box at thin Mints
and I'm going to have to eat the whole thing
or I'm going to take a few and have to
throw the rest out, because again I don't trust myself.
And now I share this, and Lisa, you share this too,
as hope not to be like, heyy look at us.
We can keep this food in our house, but that
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you can get there, because I used to be so
envious of people that could do that, like buy a
box of Girl Scout cookies and not eat at all
the day you bought them, or not have to throw
them out. And so I am walking testimony to the
fact that I've got the thin Mints in my freezer
and there are days I don't even think about them
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in there. And I opened it up and I'm like, oh,
there's the thin mints, and I get whatever else I needed,
and I closed the door and then eventually, if I
want one, I eat it. If not, I don't. So
it's so fascinating though, because I think that, you know,
everybody listening is probably like, oh, I want to get
to that place. I want to get to that place
where I can have the thin mint in my house,
the chocolate covered almonds. I've had clients say that they
can't keep dried mango in the house. I mean, it
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could be any food that you just tear through. It
does not need to be, you know, any type of
indulgent type thing. Yeah, it does not need to be
an indulgent type food. It could literally be a piece
of dried fruit. It could be raisins. You know. Overall,
I care. And the one thing that I will say
about my own quote unquote arrival or my AHA moment,
and I don't know if you feel this way, is
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that wasn't the goal. I didn't go after the goal
of fixing my relationship to food so that I could
keep chocolate covered almonds in the house. I did the
inner work so that I could have inner peace, and
a side effect one day was walking into the almonds
and realizing that I bought them a month ago and
I was still working through them, not because I restricted,
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not because I allowed myself to have a certain amount,
but because they were just almonds and they were just
there and there was no big deal to have them
at that point. I don't know if you had that
type of same journey, Amy, or if you's kind of
as always like, well, I just want to you know.
I think it's a little bit of both. That the
chaos you feel inside when you're dealing any type of
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addiction or disorder or something that's going on where you
clearly have an unhealthy relationship with X y Z. You
feel chaotic, you don't feel calm, You're in a constant
state of like goo goo Google, Like your brain is
just spinning with all of these thoughts. We've talked before
about the freedom that you get just even in your brain,
(10:23):
and I think that that's where, um that the space
that we take up when we're obsessing over certain things
that don't matter, then it frees you up to really
take in things that matter. And for me, I wanted
to put in the work because I wanted to be
able to have the bandwidth for that. I no longer
wanted to waste all of this space and energy on
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something that did nothing for me. I mean maybe in
the moments where I was almost like an out of
body experience. I had this temporary like high of assorts,
but that was fleeting super quick, and so then I
was left with what And those are just in the
moments where you know, I was eating and maybe having
negative thoughts or different things that were going on, but
(11:08):
those thoughts And you've spoken to this too, like you
would lay your head down at night thinking about it,
you would wake up in the morning thinking about it.
And so yeah, just the peace. It was so busy,
It was so just busy. You know, you said the
word calm, and I think that's what it comes down to.
On March one, so on Sunday, I'm kicking off the
next session of for the Noise Hungerfulness. And I spent
(11:30):
two years working on this course, and it really boils
down to helping to take people from mind body disconnection
back to connection. And when we're in that disconnected space,
it's like we can't read our bodies, we don't trust ourselves.
We are so busy trying to figure out what we
need to do to make up for eating this, that
(11:50):
we're buying food safes, that we're just so busy trying
to control from the exterior that we've lost that inner
connection that all of us are born with. And last
year I got so nerdy and into the research when
I started to look into something called inter reception. So
it's a big word. And what I love about this
(12:11):
is that we have a sense in our body called
inter reception, and it's how our bodies communicate exactly what
they need, and it's how our brain represents exactly what's
happening in our body. So the body and brain are
just like constantly communicating, and the bodies communicating with the
brain what it needs, and then the brain lets us
know what to do to assist in it. So an
(12:33):
easy example of this being intact would be when you
have to urinate. You know, you go to the bathroom
when you are cold, you get a jacket. Right. But
when it comes to things like food, Oh I want
this food or I'm hungry, we have so much noise
that infiltrated the way of letting us know that we
shouldn't feel hungry, that hunger is a bad thing, that
(12:55):
eating is a bad thing, that eating eating certain foods
at certain times and certain amounts are a bad thing.
That we've become disconnected to that queue and now we're
kind of left in this place of like, well, I
don't know how to listen to my body. You know,
I think all of our listeners would agree or or say,
I want to get there, but I don't know how
to get there. And that's so scary because how how
(13:19):
do you get there? How do you take those next
steps besides for listening to podcasts, reading books? You know,
how do you reform that trust in your body when
everything you've learned and picked up along the way has
been sent to disrupt it when it comes to food?
And so is this course? And I'm I'm speaking as
someone who has taken Lisa's courses and highly benefited from them.
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Lisa is a huge part of why I am where
I am, and I found her on Instagram, so I'm
beyond thankful they're at the time. I'll frame it like
a puzzle, because I'm really into puzzles now. But I
had maybe this little, a little, teeny tiny puzzle, but
there were several different pieces to the puzzle that I needed,
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and Lisa and her courses were one of them. And
so is that something that you unpack in the course obviously,
like what can we expect? Yeah, So, I mean all
of my courses and all of the work that I
do in this world when it comes to food, and
just like life has to come down to coming back
home to our bodies and allowing ourselves to experience body awareness.
Our bodies are sending us information all the time, whether
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it's about our emotions or are how cold we are
or how hungry we are, or whatever it is that
we need the body is, or we're anxious, or you know,
whatever it is, it's sending us communication signals. But there's
so much going on exterior wise or coming from the
outside coming in that we're really numb to that beautiful
connection that's intact. And so mindfulness is kind of the
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key to all of my work and what I found
fascinating when I started to learn about inter reception because
as soon as I was like, wait a minute, this
is something we all have. There's research to prove this stuff.
This there's a part of our brain called the insula
cortex that specifically controls our inter receptive awareness. I'm like, okay,
I can get people to believe that they can do this,
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and believing that they can do this is kind of
the first step I think of knowing that there's that
hope that you talked about, right, like, your body is
meant to do this stuff. Let's just take it back
to the basics. And so I very quickly found that
when it comes to inter receptive awareness and being able
to understand our bodies, the best way to improve that
(15:32):
is through mindfulness practices, by meditation, by stillness, by being
non judging to our emotions and our sensations, by being nonreactive. Right,
buying the food safe is reactive amy Right, like me
going on a diet on Monday because I ate blah
blah blah is reactive. Okay, But I will say I again,
I was given this information from somebody that I trusted,
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and I feel like a lot of us when if
listeners now may be like, well, wait a second, I'm
I'd be doing X, Y and Z. But somebody that
I look up to in quote unquote health and nutrition
told me to do X, Y and Z. So now
I know how to to separate the noise. I guess,
I would say, because there are a lot of really
awesome people, but giving information that would counter exactly what
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we're trying to do here, and by society standards, they're
not doing anything wrong. So I would just say, like,
I don't know why I wanted to interject this, but
that the noise can even come from really respectable people
that don't mean any harm. So the noise I had
to shut out was from myself, but also from people
that are you know, looked to for advice on how
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to care for their bodies, and then at the same
time it was doing me such damage. Well, I think fortunately,
I know this was a number of years ago with
the food safe you know, the words disordered eating didn't exist,
and in the absence of talking about this stuff all
the time, a lot of practitioners weren't trained to know
what disordered eating was. It wasn't brought to the attention,
and so by trying to help you with what you
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came as your problem portions or not being able to
control yourself, she offered the quote unquote solution. I'm sure
there's plenty of people that would say that that's you know,
still fine, but you have to dig deeper. And that's
what I love about this is this isn't a band aid.
This is more of like going in for surgery. Yeah, well,
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I mean it's really about, you know what, It's called
hunger and fullness. But even that is an oversimplification of
what this course is. I think most people that hear
the name forth the noise hungerfulness, I think that it's
going to be okay. Well, if I could just listen
to my hunger and listen to my fullness, then everything
would be easy. My problem is is that I overeat.
I hear this one all the time. I don't know, lately,
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I've been hearing it more often than I restrict. I've
been hearing of Oh, restriction isn't my problem, Lea. So
you talk about that all the time over eating is
my problem. But then when we break down why they overeat,
it's actually because of restriction. It might be restriction in
a different way than you had it amy, which is
different than the way I restricted. So the way that
I used to restrict was with saying what foods that
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I specifically could eat at what times, by um staving
off hunger as long as I could, because I viewed
hunger and feeling it almost as like powerful and it's
a little bit sick and twisted, but you know, you
can kind of relate in some way and I thought
that once I started eating, I wouldn't be able to stop.
And I proved that to myself every single time, because
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I'd find myself going into meal so hungry that I
was not selective about what I'd eat. I ate food
so freaking fast, like it was always like shovel into
the mouth, and I was always scared I did this.
Was so unconscious by the way that I didn't know
when my next meal would be because I was always
trying to get back to that place of Okay, I'm
not gonna eat till I'm really really hungry. That it
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was like my window of opportunity to eat. But I
never thought, oh, maybe you should change how you go
into the meal differently. I thought, oh, I just need
to control what I eat, if that makes sense. So
this course isn't just about learning the gentle cues of Oh,
this is what an appropriate level of hunger should feel
like when you start a meal. Your blood sugar shouldn't
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be dropped to the floor. You shouldn't feel like you're dizzy,
you shouldn't be lightheaded, you shouldn't be cranky. In fact,
it should be just a very undramatic drop in your
blood sugar before you reach for something to eat. Most
of the time, of course, there are situations where you know,
we get a little bit more low and we're not
as focused on on food. But the other thing that
this course really hopes to disrupt is this idea that
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the only time we're allowed to eat is because we're
physically hungry, so that you know, as human beings, I
think that we just need to recognize that we eat
for a million and one different reasons. And I call
these things different types of hunger because all the word
hunger means is a motivation to eat. And sometimes we
eat things like chips right when we're not physically hungry.
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So maybe we already had our turkey sandwich for lunch
and an apple and maybe popcorn, but there's something about
chips that still sounds good. Right. Most people would say, oh,
I shouldn't have eaten those I wasn't hungry. But when
we expand the definition to include something like I include
eleven types of hunger in this course to start thinking
about like mouth hunger. Your mouth just wants a chip, right,
it sounds really good. It makes you salvate, or maybe
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it's a brownie. If you're not a salty person right now,
I'm pregnant and all about the chips and the salty.
So that's just where my head's at right now. But
a lot of people, you know, are the sweet tooth
person when it comes to mouth hunger. Oh I want
that donut, I can't have it. I already ate. When
you give yourself permission, I call it the power of
permission to eat because of mouth hunger or because of
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bonding hunger is another one, you and Stashira sharing what's
the food that you recently had together, like for fun,
peanut eminem's, peanut eminem's right, Like, you probably didn't have
the peanut eminem's as your dinner. Maybe you weren't even
craving them. It wasn't even mouth hunger where they sounded
so amazing. But it was an opportunity to bond with
Stashira as well as you do something really important for
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setting the tone of food in your home. So that
is a reason to eat, right Can you imagine he said,
Oh I can't have those peanut eminem's. I already ate, right,
which I have done before early on, like h for
anybody that's new, I adopted my kids, uh, and they
were older. Sashia arrived here when she was tin from Haiti,
and I had such strict food rules then and now
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she's almost fourteen and are my relationship with food is
very different. Therefore my relationship around food and her and
things that I eat with her. And because of her,
she also got this what is that Japanese ice cream mochi?
So she loves mochi and she loves the mango one
and she's like, Mom, let's have some mochi. And so
we get out of the freezer and we cut one
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and half and we have it together. And that's something
I literally would not have been able to enjoy with her.
And yeah, same thing with the peanut eminem's. We went
to the gas station. There was a bag that says,
you know, like tear and share or whatever. She's like, Mom,
let's tear share. That's a moment. That's a thing. No,
I wasn't hungry, but was it cool to be able
to do that with her and not you know, completely
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stress out about it. And I'll just correct you to
say you weren't physically hungry, right, there was a motivation
to consume them, right, Yeah, Like I need to learn
these leaven hungers. Well, you know, you're kind of at
a level where it's coming very naturally to you, and
I'm at the place where it's naturally to me as well.
Every time I want to eat something, I'm not, oh,
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what type of hunger is this? To give myself permission.
But in the beginning, when we're so wrapped up in
oh I should do this, I shouldn't do this. I
can't believe I did this, that whole negative thought cycle
around food. We can elevate our consciousness, which basically just means, hey,
get present, get out of your head and into your
body and say why do I want this? I want
this because, oh, this food reminds me of my grandma
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and I miss her today. This that's memory hunger, I
call it. You know, I'm doing this with Tashira. Was
social bonding hunger. You know, there's so many other type
but those are just some examples of I don't want
anybody to sign up for this course thinking that it's
just about learning to tune into those sensations of hunger
and stop when you're full because you want to lose weight.
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We don't do this course because we want to lose weight.
Sometimes people's weights do change. I get that as feedback.
It's not something that I'm looking to. You know, use
to talk about this program, but some people will say
I actually did end up losing weight because my relationship
to food is really peaceful now and I'm ending meals
(23:32):
at a comfortable place because I'm going in at a
comfortable place, and so I care far more about the
inner piece that people are finding rather than, you know,
the typical ways that we quantify success. So like a
program like this, Lisa, what can people expect the time
commitment to be? So this is actually my third time
running it, second time in one. We just wrapped up
(23:54):
the last course and it was super successful and I
personally just love the because I get to see some
of your faces. It's a six week program, so each
week for six weeks, a new module is dropped. So
when we kick off on March twenty one, on Sunday,
your first module is going to be released. You'll get
your module, which has prerecorded video lessons, and then some
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of the modules have some extra things like a meditation
or some homework or a worksheet for you to pretty
much work through over the course of this week. And
each week we kind of moved together as a group.
You also get access to a Facebook group, and if
you do the V I P option, which I so
hope you will, you not just get access to this
material forever, but you also come to live calls that
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happened three times over the course of the program, and
that means we're going to be face to face, just
like me and Amy are face to face right now
on Zoom as a group, and we really dive into
the material in a way where I can further explain it,
make sure you understand it, answer questions related to the material,
but also address the things that are happening in real
life and how to put them into context use in
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your life. And that's kind of the benefit for me.
But I will say that the people that come to
the live calls get the most out of the program
in general. And I just want to say and that
Lisa doesn't even know that I'm gonna probably doesn't want
me to hear like hyping her up, because in no
way is out a way a place where we're like, Okay, yeah,
now you need to take this course or sign up
(25:20):
for that. But Lisa has these programs that she has
poured her life into, like this is your work, this
is what you are passionate about, and you create this
to help others. And I just want to pump you
up for a little bit because I, again have benefited
from the course and I want you listening to know
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that making an investment in yourself is okay. And some
of you might be thinking like, oh, I don't really
know if I even have the time for that or
if I have the resources. Well, if you don't, then
just continue showing up where you can, continue listening to podcasts,
maybe if you're doing therapy or doing whatever it is
that you're doing, to show up for yourself so that
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you can be working towards this. But I will say
that I didn't get to where I am without carving
out the space to put in the work. And what
was funny was I would always carve out space for
a workout, right, Like I had no issue paying for
a gym membership or yoga classes or whatever I wanted
(26:24):
to spend money on to work out I would do
and I would carve out that time as well. And
it was interesting to see my perspective shift and think,
I don't know if I have time for something like this,
and then start to replace my workouts with watching one
of Lisa's videos or doing a workbook. I mean, I,
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like I said, of mine, is a puzzle piece. I
had a few different puzzle pieces in Lisa's Instagram and
curriculum and encouragement and wisdom was a puzzle piece for me.
But I had other workbooks that I did, I had
other online stuff that I was invested in, but it
was over a couple of years. But I had to
make that a priority for myself. And so I'll stop
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rambling just to say that Lisa is amazing and she
presents things in a way that help you really understand it.
And if you do have the ability to take this
course and invest the time and make you a priority,
I promise you're going to come out on the other
side and part of your puzzle, you'll have another piece
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put in place, and you'll be headed towards where I
would say I am now and I'm I'm excited, I
get to say, and I'm not. I'm still I still
feel like I'm on a journey and I'm still learning,
but I do feel like I'm a little bit more complete.
And I know we have a lot of listeners that
want to be there, but I don't want to say
you're just going to get there by not investing in
yourself in any way, whatever that looks like for you. Yeah,
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and I mean there's a few things that I want
to say out the door. I mean, just to address price,
because I know that's always kind of a thing. First
of all, outway listeners are getting fifteen percent off, and
your code is outweigh HF at checkout, and I'll put
all this in the show notes, but it's fork the
Noise dot Com forward slash h F as in Hungerfulness
for the Noise dot Com Forward slash h F, and
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then your discount code is going to be outweigh HF.
That's going to be fifteen percent off. The second thing
I do want to say is that I really work
hard to make my courses affordable. That has been noticed
by people in the past that what I put into
them in no way reflects what you're going to get.
And that's because I am really passionate about helping as
many people as I possibly can. For reference, usually courses
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of this type are three to four, maybe five times
the price. But for me, I'm here to do this
work for a long time and impact hopefully a lot
of people. And this is a program where I really
don't like to do any sort of self promotion. It's
just kind of uncomfortable for me. But I am really
proud of this program, especially after seeing it come to
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life with the students who have taken it and watching
them really make huge strides in their life. I really
believe in this program and this work, And from a
personal level, I can tell you that when I started
to really understand the sensations in my body, make peace
with hunger, get to know feelings of fullness, trust that
if I want more later, I can always have it
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really break down so much of what I built up
in terms of that control that we talked about here,
life got easier. And I think that we try so
hard to control ourselves with these exterior things that we
don't just control ourselves. We put ourselves in captivity of
our own bodies, and when we let go of the
controls that we think are going to keep us in place,
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only then do we find freedom. And the freedom feels
like control, but it's not that tight, rigid control we
were trying to put ourselves in a box. Or when
we use the food safe or whatever, you know, silly
kind of things you've done in the past to try
and solve that surface level problem. We're getting to the
root underneath, and we're coming back to mind body connection
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and it's not just about the food with this stuff.
When we have the ability to connect with these parts
of our bodies that are helping us communicate our needs,
we not only become our own best caretakers. So we're
nourishing ourselves and we're energized, and we're feeling good, and
we're eating really nourishing foods too because that feels good.
But we're also better able to make decisions in our
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life when it comes to career and relationships and boundaries
and all these things that we've been too worried to
do so because we just wanted to please other people.
So I think my favorite part of just doing this
work in general is the fact that when we start
with the food, it bleeds into life. And that's what
this is really about, making your life a little bit
more peaceful, a little bit more joyful, and a little
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bit more better, recognizing that it's not easy. I love
that you use the word captivity and then just to
put a bow on it back to yeah, my my
food safe. I might have been locking up my chips,
but I was really just locking up myself. The food
safe is just your example. Amy. I had a one
on one call with a student after we wrapped up
who just wanted to talk about some things. And on
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our last live call, she was a v I P student.
She said, I'm I'm still using my Fitness Pal that
you know, like a calorie tracking app, and I'm just
really afraid to leave it. And I could hear from
the way she spoke that she was actually ready to
step away, but she needed a little bit encouragement. And
I felt that if I gave her the push, she
would want to do that. She just needed somebody to
(31:29):
tell her it's okay. And so this was a few
weeks after she had let go of it, and she said, Lisa,
I have to tell you, and this is a little
bit of a loaded conversation. It's not gonna be all positive.
Everybody listening, She said, Lisa, I am feeling so much
more peaceful. I have not binged in three weeks. I'm
eating more nourishing foods than ever, my plate is balanced,
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I have energy, I feel amazing. But I have to
tell you I went to the doctor yesterday and they
weighed me, and I weighed the exact same, and all
of a sudden, I feel like I haven't made any progress,
and what's this worth? And we had a conversation about this,
and I'm just going to call her Brianna for the
sake of the story. But I said, Brianna, how do
you track progress? If I asked you three weeks ago,
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what does progress mean to you, she would have said, oh,
you know, I want to feel good in my body.
I want to eat nourishing food, so I don't want
to binge. And I said, well, did you accomplish those things?
And she said yes? And I said, so, how could
you say that you haven't made any progress? And she said, oh,
I guess you're right. I was just chalking all my
progress up to you know, wait. And it just told
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so much about how we've been told to view what
eating should do for our bodies. And that metric about
her weight told us nothing about her true health, first
of all, nothing about her true happiness. And that weight
could also be the appropriate weight for her at this time.
So for anybody listening, whether you take this course or not,
I just really think it's an important exercise to right
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now take out an index card and make a list
of all the things that you call progress. What do
you want in your life? For Amy, I think you
would have said, I want to be able to have
a bag of peanuts with my daughter and not overthink it,
or have a birthday cake or whatever. You know, whatever
it is for you, I just know that Amy gave
that example on this talk. Maybe it's that you don't
want to binge and you want to be able to
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just enjoy foods and feel good and make nourishing choices.
Maybe weight is even on that progress report for you
because it's your progress report. However, you want to assess
your progress right now, make a list, okay, and then
in two weeks, let's revisit this. And if you are
tracking your weight, you haven't moved away, feel free to
put your weight on there. And then I want you
to tally up your score. And so rather than feeling
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like you got a zero at the end of the
month or the week, because let's say your weight was
unchanged or it went up, which you might not view
as a good thing, can you take into consideration the
other amazing things that you've learned along the way and
recognize that your g p A, so to speak, is
really more like a three point five. Maybe it's not
a four point oh in your eyes today, but you
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have a plenty of progress that should go out the
window just because your weight has gone unchanged. I love that.
I don't know if that's helpful, but we did that
with my students this week who weren't in that call,
and I just think it's it's very easy how quick
our brains get clouded with old ideas unless we kind
of zoom out and remember the big picture, which is
so hard to do when we go into that fearful
mode of oh, my weight is creeping up on me,
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or it's getting worse and I already gained from the
pandemic and all these things that we talk about all
the time. And I don't want to minimize anybody's fear
or say that that's not important. How you feel in
your body is a percent important, but how you feel
in your life is really important too, and we gotta
start there. That's huge, Like, that's yeah. I think that
a lot of people might give themselves and f right
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away just based on the weight. And I'll just throw
in quickly too before we wrap that, Lisa was you
used quote unquote Brianna's uh my fitness power And I
know that that's that's a real story with a client
and you just made up her name, but you know
you helped me get off my Fitness pal so you
were part of me letting go of that. And very similarly,
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I remember texting you one night, probably one of the
first nights I didn't enter in my food, and it's
almost like I couldn't even go to sleep because I
had no idea what my intake was that day, and
I didn't know how I was going to sleep and
then wake up the next morning. And it took me
a few weeks to really finally settle. But I remember
(35:25):
seeing a picture of myself about a weekend to deleting
the app, and I thought in my head that I
looked bigger, and I sent you the picture and I'm like,
I know you wanted me to delete my Fitness Palm,
Well but look at me, I'm bigger and you just
said you were fly back Amy. I honestly, if you
were to shown me this picture last week, you look
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the same. You look the same. But even if I
did look bigger forsake of this conversation. Does that really matter?
Because I finally had a little bit of freedom. I
wasn't shackled to this app on my phone, um causing
me to enter in every single thing that I put
in my body. And that was a time suck and
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a fun suck and a that's the captivity. That's the
captivity right under the guy's control. I'll just use the
app and I'll be in control meanwhile, full on captivity. Oh,
I need to measure this food to make sure that
I put the exact number in and make stay in
my green and well. For me, it wasn't that I
went to the doctor and was waged. For me, it
was that, you know, we took a picture at work
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with some big artists that was in and all I
could see was not like a cool moment with this
person at work, Like it was, Uh, do is that
what I look like right now? But if that I
was grading myself on how my brain was seeing myself
in that picture and maybe how my genes felt that
day or whatever, when really I should have, like you're saying,
looked at all the accomplishments I had had over that
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week that were actually better for me and my g
p A would have been a lot higher. And that's
bringing mindfulness to a really hard moment. That's bringing non
reactivity to a moment where your your primal brain, your
limbic brain, your emotional brain, which is very conditioned to
see your worth tied to your weight or your size,
just jumped right back into command. So there's so many
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tools that we need to learn as to Okay, my
body is feeling scared right now, what does this mean?
Do I need to react to this? Can I calm
down before I make any decisions and bring ourselves back
to that higher level of functioning so that we can
make choices that reflect who we really want to be.
And I also just want to say I remember the
picture now and the artist and you looked radiant. So
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thank you, good, thanks. I appreciate that our favorite word
or our adjective, you're on outweigh. So yeah, Lisa gives
the course info one more time. I'll put it all
in the show notes so you can easily just scroll
down and click but forth the noise dot com forward
slash h F and your code is outweigh h F
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at checkout for off. Most importantly, if you have questions.
I don't want anybody to rush into signing a for
this if they're like, I don't know if this is
for me where I'm at, no courses for every single person,
So feel free to email me at hello at fork
the Noise dot com. I'll answer your questions. And if
you miss the deadline for March twenty one, we still
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have that first week where you can kind of join
in even though the first modules going, you won't miss
out on anything, I promise. Well, Lisa, I am thankful
to have you in my life and to have you
as a resource, and to have you know, to be
a recipient of all of your hard work. Thank you
for for making this what you do, and thank you
for allowing me to do this, which is my true
(38:35):
joy of outweigh And I'll never get over this community
and the emails we get and the d ms that
we get from the listeners. So thank all of you
for just showing up and making this a free, valuable
resource to everybody. All Right, Well, we'll see y'all next Saturday.
Bye bye,
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