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November 9, 2020 36 mins

Laine is a sweetheart. Hearing his story of how he won American Idol was so refreshing. Growing up, he would ride his 4-wheeler into the woods and practice singing, where no one could hear him. When he finally sang for his mama, she encouraged him to try out for American Idol. So basically one of the first times he ever sang publicly was his try out. And the judges went wild over his voice. Luke Bryan picked him as the winner the first time he heard him sing. Laine is a country boy and sings about what he knows and from his heart. He is so unassuming about his success and fame. He shares with me how he overcomes fear, his secret weapon for winning American Idol, advice for anyone wanting to win American Idol and his new music that just dropped.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, Carol, She's queen. She's getting not afraid of things,

(00:21):
so just let flu. No one can do with cry
Carol Leon sounds Carol. I am super excited to be
joined by Lane Hardy, the two thousand nineteen American Idol winner.
We're so happy to have you with us for Nashville Insider.

(00:42):
What's going on? Thank you for having me. I'm just
out Nashville now. Actually I know, Okay, so you just
moved to Nashville. I saw it. You just posted that
you just arrived. Um, are you living here permanently? Now?
What's your situation? Because you came from Louisiana and now
you're a Nashville resident. I'm not. I'm not living here yet,
but eventually I will. With all this Corona stuff going on,

(01:05):
I've just been back and forth weeks at a time,
coming and do media promo videos and planning next year out.
So I was watching your audition tape and I have
to say, I feel like you got one of those
dream audition tapes where you roll up and they loved
your story to begin with, because you were a country

(01:27):
boy talking about alligators. Katie Perry had on some alligator
earings and you're talking about how you like have gotten
super close to alligators, maybe even hunted a few a
couple of times, and Luke. You could tell Luke was
loving you from the start, and he was like, please
God let him sing, Please let him be able to sing.
And then you sing, and I feel like everyone was floored.

(01:52):
And that does not happen a lot of the times.
Like a lot of times people go out American Idol
and it's one opposite reaction. So did you feel like
you were sort of blessed from the start. What did
that feel like to have the judges love you from
the beginning? Well? That um. The first time I went

(02:15):
on there, my mom one day she asked me when
I got back home from school. I was in I
was a junior in high school at the time, and
she asked me. She's like, what's you thinking about going
try out from American I or something, because she's heard
me singing a few times. I wouldn't singing like like

(02:36):
full songs. I was just playing around. She's like, go
try it out. Like I don't know, Mom, I don't
know about that. And I said, all right, I'll do it.
So when I went um in front of the judges
and they, um, they told me all their opinions about
my voice and me, it just kind of raised my

(02:58):
confidence that I have that I have for my voice.
So it just raised my confidence level. And I mean, yes,
a very blessed that that happened. You know, were you
already a pretty confident person going into this? I wasn't.
Like I mean, I'm more of like a introverted person,

(03:21):
and I mean I'm very shy. I mean I still am.
I like that. I like that part of me. And uh,
I mean it's tell me what you like about being
shy and saw spoken, because I agree, I think that's
a special trait. Well, the good things about it is

(03:43):
and shy and saw spoken shot people don't talk a lot,
and that gives you time and space to listen to
what other people have to say, and you just take
notes and observe everything around you that goes on, and
you just learn a lot from not talking all the time,
you know what I mean. And that's just how I am.
I don't talk much, but I like I like to

(04:03):
listen a lot. Where do you think that developed from?
What made you be such a um and aware person
from such a young age? Like where did you gather
that sense of listening first instead of talking? Probably from
how I was raised? How was that? Well, my dad

(04:28):
just taught me a lot of things, and he's um
everything he's told me that just kept in mind. What
are some of the lessons he told you? Um, well,
he told me just listen. Just always listen to what

(04:50):
somebody says. Um. Just if you have your opinion for something,
to keep it to yourself until they whatever you like,
they tell you there you know. But it's it's like, really,
it's really cool when you asked me. I mean, I

(05:10):
don't want to change that about myself. I think it's
helpful got me where I am. So I saw that
you said before you auditioned for American Idol. Your your
mom didn't really even know that. Well, you you were
definitely a singer because you and your brother were playing
bars when you were like six years old? Right, weren't

(05:31):
you like playing shows with your brother? I'm sorry, weren't
weren't you like playing bars and shows with your brother
when you were six years old? Uh? No, no, maun,
I started, Hey, can you shut the door? Right? It
has a door? I'm sorry, it's wasn't um, I started,

(05:57):
I got my first kuitar when I was six. Um
then at seven years old, I started taking guitar lessons
from a local guy in Livingston, and then I took
guitar lessons from seven years old two and then I
stopped taking lessons and started singing around fourteen years old.

(06:22):
But I wasn't like fully singing. I was a little
shocked to do that. But me, my brother, my cousin,
my other cousin, we all just made a band together
and we've played locally at like restaurants, bars, festivals and stuff.
But I wasn't normally the one that sang a lot.

(06:44):
I was always playing lead guitar. I was just doing
solos all the time. Why weren't you the one that
saying Because I also saw that you started singing, because
you would get on your fourhula and go out into
the woods and then just practice singing by yourself out there,
like I guess in the privacy of the wood. It's
that's kind of amazing just to have them as your audience.
But why did you not debut your voice in this

(07:07):
band that you're forming with your brother and cousins for
a while? Were you what? What made you finally want
to share it. Well, I was a little I was
a little like iffy about it. I wasn't confident about it,
you know. And once once, I like saying to the judges,

(07:29):
it like kind of gave me a little bit more
of a sense of confidence from my voice. That one
of the first times that you sang as a lead singer.
Uh m hmmm. I don't think so. I mean I
sang a couple of times at it like a show
or something, but it was like a a bar or something.

(07:49):
It was like loud. Everybody was loud, So you get
really so you debuting on American Idol was one of
the first moments that where you were stepping into this
role as a hardy the singer, the artist all by yourself.
You're not in a band with your family. You're not
playing and me. You're playing guitar, but you're not solely
playing an instrument. You like, we're stepping out. I mean,

(08:12):
that is a huge stage to like start on. Oh
my gosh, are you freaking out? Like you're now you're
performing in front of some the biggest singers in the world,
Katie Perry, Lionel Richie, Luke, Brian as your judges. Obviously,
Bobby Bones is there too, who's a huge radio personality, Um,
Ryan Seacrest. So these are who you start for and

(08:34):
now you're being all over millions of people on TV
are watching. It was that intimidating. It's not intimidating to me.
It's just like nerve wracking. Yeah, but because some people
they might be intimidating. But to me it just made

(08:56):
me like really nervous, and that's what that's that's what
fuels me. Nerves. So how do you push through your
nerves and not crack like so, especially since this is
something more new for you to be the lead singer
in front of all these people now and all these
people judging you? Literally, how do you nerves fuel you?

(09:18):
But how do you make sure they feel you positively
and don't shut you down like when you're in the
middle of these performances. Well, I respect and accept um,
the the reasons why the nerves are there, and just
you what are those reasons for you? But you don't

(09:41):
overthink the situation that you're in. Um, you just do it.
You don't think twice, don't doubt yourself, just believing yourself
and just don't stress about anything, because that's not needed.
It's unnecessary the money should um ever stressed about anything

(10:02):
because we're still living and breathing. Now, where does that
come from? That sounds like a faith that you have internally. Yes,
are you? Are you a pretty faithful spiritual guy? God
the guy I am. How does God play a part
of your life and everything you do? Well, I wouldn't
be here without him, none of them live. But I just, um,

(10:27):
just very blessed and um it just made me come
closer to him that It's like I just learned these
things as I go and it's just my my journey
of life. So what would you tell someone like yourself
who has it hasn't a dream or has a sense

(10:48):
that they are destined for something big? Because you obviously
had that sense or else you wouldn't have tried out
for American Idol. You knew something was waiting for you.
It sounds like you knew it was music. Um, what
would you tell someone who's in your shoes, who is, say,
wanting to try out for American Idol or take a
big jump at an opportunity? How would you what would

(11:10):
you say to stand out? Because you stood out from
the beginning, like, what what were your techniques to stand
out above the crowd? Because this is all of America
who's trying out? Everyone is so talented, there are so
many amazing people with incredible stories. What was what did
you do that made you stand out? And how would

(11:31):
you pass that on to someone else? In your shoes?
You know, it's not really it's not a big secret.
But all you gotta do just be yourself. That's all
it is to it. Be yourself, nothing different. I mean,
if you're even if you're not trying out for American Idol,
if you you have like some kind of big opportunity

(11:55):
in life, even if it means moving away from what
are you r up that you love a lot or
some or around a place that you love a lot,
and and you gotta go somewhere far for a good opportunity.
That means it's gonna be tough. It's gonna be very tough,
but you gotta do it. I mean, if that's if

(12:18):
you want to be like really really no, I mean successful, yes,
but like it would yourself would feel complete, like fulfill
your own destiny, fulfill your own like hard I guess
I mean something to be proud of, like something to

(12:40):
be proud of when you do something for yourself. Yeah.
But my the reason I started music is because that's
what I felt. I just felt happiest in the music.
And I played football and baseball and did music at

(13:00):
the same time. And I got in high school, I
had to start thinking about what I was gonna do
after high school. I was like thinking about should I
be contractor plumber or electrician if you want me, if
I mean, you can be that. I mean, if you're
happy doing that kind of stuff. I mean I know
a lot of people that love doing that jobs like that.
My dad as a contractor, my brother he does flooring

(13:23):
and everything. So I mean music with my calling. And
that's the way I went. I mean, go for it.
And it's scary. How do you know in your gut
when to make a move? Like? How like because you said,
like if you feel like you have an opportunity, but
it's scary and it might take you out of your
comfort zone, how do you know when to do that? Like?

(13:44):
Because sometimes it's like you get opportunities because it's like
the right opportunity and that other times opportunities show up
and you're like, I have to do this. What does
that feel like to you when you know you have
to do something well? I think I think it's more about, um,
you try try new things and and just yeah, just

(14:08):
trying new things. UM, don't be don't be afraid of
failure because failure produces success and you gotta life is
all about trial and error and that's just something that's
always gonna be there. Maybe you don't know if this
is what you want to do, but you'll find out.
And when you find out, then you can use something else.

(14:32):
I love that. I want to talk about your music,
but I want to talk a little bit about some
of the things that you learned from your American Idol experience,
Like what did you learn from performing on a big
stage like that in front of millions of people? What
did you learn about yourself well being up on that stage. Um,

(14:56):
during the live performances and everything, it was it was
crazy overwhelming production, confetti, just huge production. It mean in
my head, yes, lights everywheres and I mean it was
like overwhelming and in my head I really couldn't think.

(15:20):
It was just like I'm doing this right now. It's crazy,
Like did you blink out? Did you ever like blank
out and be like Oh my gosh, I forgot the words.
I forgot how to breathe, I forgot how to move. Well,
I didn't forget the words. Was this crazy? I got
lucky youn't have a teleprapter. We didn't have a telepropter,
so we had to remember the words. But that was

(15:40):
That's something I didn't want to worry about. Like, I
was just like, don't think about it, don't think about
the words, just don't stress out. But it was just blank.
My mom was like, that's why I barely remember anything. Everything.
I mean, every time I sang, I got I walked
off the stage and what just happened? Right, contestants, everything

(16:03):
and you did good? I was like, dude, that because
I don't remember. What did that teach you? Though? What
did you learn about yourself in the middle of all that? Well,
I just learned that you just believe in yourself, believing yourself,

(16:26):
And I mean, that's all I gotta say about it.
Just show up, really, yeah, do what do you do?
You and you fail? You fail to get back up?
Were you were you thinking about winning the whole time?
Or were you just thinking about just the next day,

(16:46):
the next step? Well, I was just having fun. Yeah,
I would. I wasn't thinking about winning. I didn't even
think I was gonna win anything I had. I mean everybody,
I mean everybody was probably gonna want to win, but

(17:10):
us as contestants, we always talked about it. We were like,
even if we don't win, it's we got to go
through all this cool experience with Idle. And I was
just basically I felt like I was just there. I
don't know, it's that's the kind of feeling I have,
feel me be honest, like I was just I don't

(17:33):
I don't know that it's it's a blur, but yeah,
you're just there, like you're just in this all of
a sudden, this new vortex of an experience that like
it's probably so different than anything you've ever experienced in
your life, and it's probably so much to process at
once that it's almost like you're just witnessing it, you know.

(17:54):
But I tried not, like at all. I tried not
to process anything until like after the show is over,
slowly processed stuff because it's so much stuff, but it's
hard to process it. You just gotta except it happened,
you know. I just I still believe I want with

(18:15):
your processing. What do you do when you process? Do
you like start back at the beginning of the night
and like go through the whole thing in your mind again. Yeah,
I'll just I'll start at the beginning of it all
and I'll just like slowly dissect every memory and experience
I had and all the people I met. Everything. It's like,
you start remember your stuff is like WHOA, I can't

(18:39):
believe you did that. I can't believe you did that.
What did you learn from some of these legendary judges
that were watching you perform every time? What did they
teach you? What did you learn from their from from them,
from their journeys, from their advice that they gave you. Um,
I don't know like all of it, but I know

(19:02):
they they told us stuff all the time, and and
I'm probably I mean, they told us stuff all the time.
And I just remember lyne Out telling us. They all
told us, don't give up. I mean that's something that
everybody should live by. M keep getting back up. Be

(19:25):
you is what Katie always said. H And then Luke
just said be you and do what you do. He
knew you were going to win from the beginning, he
called it. He had he had his eye on ear
from the start. So you put out some music which
I think is so amazing and super reflective of who

(19:45):
it seems that you are from just a person perspective,
and it's a lot about like your hometown. Um, tiny town,
which I love that one is so good. You have
a music video for that, and then the ground I
grew up on. I know you just put out a
music video it for, but I love tiny Town. Like
one of the lines that stood out to me, I
don't know, I'm gonna say it perfectly was like you

(20:06):
don't necessarily go to restaurants because everyone's doing their own cooking.
And I just made me feel like you live. You
grew up in a place that had a big sense
of community, and um, everyone was very capable, and it
just felt like you look out for each other. But
yet it's like, I don't know, hard working American people

(20:30):
just living a really great life and really having some
good values. Yeah. Simple, it's just simple. It's not it's
nothing to nothing to think about. You just a simple,
just old fashioned raised life. And um, yeah, I know

(20:55):
what line are you talking about. You're talking about don't
eat out because they all cook. Yeah, I mean that's
that's a really golden line, Michael, Right. I mean, I
don't want to say it's it's really crazy. What's it
like growing up living, like you said, nothing to think about?

(21:15):
Just a simple life? What is that? What? What is that? Like?
How does what does that create in you? As far
as the way you view the world, the way you
view yourself? Like what living that simple life and having
those values and those core truths that you've grown up with, Like,
how does that affect you as a person? Like I
just with me, I just live life simple. I do

(21:40):
think simple. I don't know. I mean, there's not much
to say about it besides just does that create peace
within you? Living simply? Yes? For sure? Overthinking is unnecessary.
I think I agree. Do you kind of let life
just flow the way it flows? Or are you actively
pursuing the next, the next, the next? Are you just

(22:02):
sort of letting it be? I'm just letting it flow.
And uh, I'm just letting it just flow because it's
gonna happen anyway, Like the next day is gonna happen.
To go bye thinking about it. You just keep on going.
And if you want to slow the flow downs and

(22:22):
I guess you can um what line? It's crazy. I mean,
I don't know what to say. So run through your
new songs, Run through the songs that you put out,
tell me the list of them, and then kind of
give me a little description about them and what they
mean to be, what they mean to you, starting from
which one. Didn't you just put it like a five
song EP. It's like tinytown or tinytown the other l

(22:46):
A The Ground I grew up on um okay um
Let there be Country Um was written by Jason Affable
and Steve Mockler is a more with and that song
I heard as a demo. That's a cool rock in

(23:07):
country song. So I was like, let's record that one.
And then Ground I grew up on. I love that.
Brandon Kenny wrote that one. I love Brandon Kenny him
And was it just Brandon or was it him? And yeah, yeah,
Josh Thompson too, He's so great. Yes, And when I
heard that song, I was like, wow, it's kind of
like tiny Time, kind of related back home for me.

(23:31):
We shot that music video right before Quarantine happened, right
before it started. Everybody, I mean it got crazy, but
um yeah, I mean that song I got to shoot
my first music video with that song at home in
the swamp where we got to go. We did things

(23:51):
that I grew up doing and I still did to
this day. So that probably meant a lot to you
to document your life like that in this song. Family
and friends are Whitney everything. My dad just swall the
door open office in Nashville. But yeah, and um tiny town. Um.

(24:16):
We talked about that, Michael Tyler at that one. I
love that one. That was great, very relatable song to
where I'm from, and hopefully it's relatable to a lot
more people out there the other l A. I think
it's cool because you're from the other l A. Everyone
thinks of l A like Los Angeles, California, but you're like, no,
this is Louisiana. Yeah. Um. When I was out in

(24:39):
California for the my Time and Idol on Idol, I
was there for about seven or eight weeks and finally
I got to go home for the Top three hometown
video or whatever. When we went home, had a big
parade and stuff. I'm sorry. And also right before point

(25:04):
team I wrote this song with and shared in Eric
Dillon and Dansbell, and I came in with the idea
because I thought of it when I was in California,
wrote it down in my notes, pulled it out at
the song right, I was like, what y'all think about
other l A and I explained it and they were like, yeah,

(25:25):
that's let's run with that idea. And then we we
started playing with it. I told them, I said, when
you fly in to New Orleans, you fly over the
punch of train across it, or you at least see it. Um.
So that's where that line came from. And then Rodeo
Drive when me and my dad got to California, I've

(25:49):
seen the sign, as I said, a Rodeo when me
and my dad both did, and the Uber driver was like,
that's Rodello Okay, I get it. That's that street I've
heard about. That's where that came ram. But that songs.
I read that one and I'm really really proud of it.

(26:09):
And yeah, and please come on for Christmas. That's so
you just put out a Christmas song and that's exciting.
How's that? That one's awesome? Uh? Don Henley, I mean
the Eagles, big class rock. It's a big expiration for me,
and that specific version is the one I wanted to

(26:30):
kind of reflect from them. So the Eagles are the
Eagles big influences on you. The Eagles, Steve Miller, Band,
Austin Turning, Peril, Jam Little Richard, all kind of people.
So you kard blistened some classic music because you're not
that old. What are you? Eighteen nineteen? I just turned twenty, okay,
because I know you entered when you're seventeen, but that

(26:53):
so you want to Okay, So you just turned twenty,
so you have some strong influences of some legendary music.
Was that? How you did your parents have that plan
in the household? Um? Well, my dad played it on
the radio in the truck sometimes, And finally I started
doing my my musical research when I was a kid,

(27:13):
and I was just playing these records, these old vinyl records,
this old um record player we had. My dad had
these old, old like collections like in the attic of
all these people, right Stewart and just like all like
Jimi Hendrix and Brian Adams and all them. And I'd

(27:35):
always listened to it every day. I just listened to
it and be amazed every time I heard a song
because it I mean at the time when I was
a kid, I mean music was good. But for some reason,
I was drawn to that kind of music and I
still am. I still am. I mean, like my country

(27:56):
and stuff, but I mean that was my favorite. Well,
you can hear it in your voice. You have so
much soul in your voice. And I'm sure you heard
that all the time, but you just have like such
a powerful, raspy, soulful voice that comes out of you,
and it feels old school a little bit, you know,
it feels a little bit like before this generation that

(28:17):
we're in. I think that's so cool that you have
so many musical influences that date back even before your time.
I think that's awesome, And I'm with you. I love
that old or something like the rock and roll and
just like classic It's it's just amazing. So okay, so
the new music coming out? Where can everyone find your songs?
Where can they find your music? Where can they find
your Christmas song? Well, you can find it on my

(28:42):
social media. You got a Lane Hardy music dot com
and you can click um the music tabbing and check
out all my songs. You can go on Apple Music
you type in Lane Hardy and here to my artist
profile and all my songs should be there. If not,
there's a problem. But you have some virtual shows coming

(29:03):
up to right. I have some virtual shows coming up,
and I'm doing a show in November, late November at
Leads and Leads Alabama, a drive in fun. Yeah. So
that'll be your first drive in show, first ever. What

(29:23):
are you looking forward to about it? It's gonna be
really cool and like old school. It would be nice
to play for some fans too. I'm sure I'm excited.
I'm definitely excited. Okay, So is this are you playing
by yourself? We'll be playing with someone else? Is it
to promote your new music? I'll be playing with my
band from back home? Cool. That'll be so fun. Okay,

(29:47):
so everyone and we said Leads Alabama, Leads Alabama. Okay,
are you doing any virtual shows coming up where people
can find out about them? I'm doing some firstual show
you can. I think they're on my website too. You
can find um the dates um or on my Facebook page.
You can find all the dates from my virtual tours. Okay, awesome.

(30:09):
Um What was it like when they said Laine Hardy,
you are the next American idol? Uh? That's a hard question.
I mean it was like I was a like a
loss of emotion. I didn't know what to feel, how
to feel, what to do. I just stood there. It's

(30:30):
like I was like just walking around, like what just happened?
It felt like a dream. It was it was like
a whirlwind. How has life changed for you since becoming
the American Idol winner? Um, my life has changed, but
I'm still the same person I was before. Ah, my

(30:55):
life has just been what people know me now. And um,
I'm just excited that I get to share my journey
with the my fans, the people that got me here.
I get to share my life with all these people,
uh my fans. So was there was there one moment

(31:19):
that you've had that you've experienced since being on this journey?
We were like, oh my gosh, I can't believe I
just got to do that, Or I can't believe I
just got to meet that person. Was there like a
moment that like took your breath away? All of it,
all of it has just every single every every single

(31:40):
thing I get to do. I just really really appreciative
of it, appreciative of it. So uh yeah, I mean
I don't think any I mean, besides, I mean meet
and uncle Jesse was pretty cool. John stay Mos, I
played h I played at the Capitol four Um event

(32:01):
last year at the in Washington, d C. And he
was the host and he introduced me, and I walked
through the chairs and I got on the stage this
huge stage with the National Symphony Orchestra played Johnny be
Good went and only stairs saying um, God bless America,
with Lee Bryce right behind me and like Sesame Street

(32:24):
Big Berger. It was crazy. That's quite a lineup, Hannons boo.
I don't know, is I felt like I was I
was in a dream. Are you like, is this real life?
There's so much happening that's just crazy. Wow. I mean
that's a lot. That's a lot to This is a
lot to process and take in. And I think you

(32:45):
were doing an amazing job of just like receiving it
all and just being in the moment. Yeah. I just
try not to try not to process it at the time,
like Okay, put this over here, staving for later then
freak out. That's really good advice. Um. Is there anything
else we need a note to know, Lane, Like anything

(33:05):
we need to know musically performance wise to keep us
up to speed with everything happening. I just want to
make sure I got all the good information. I think
that's about it. Music on your website, virtual shows on
your website, You got your first drive in coming up?
And any tips for surviving coronavirus? Like, how are you

(33:26):
staying saying these days because it's just such a weird
time to be alive. Well, I'm just doing my hobbies.
What are your hobbies? Oh, you built like this massive
chicken cupe. Is that a house or is that for
your chickens? It's not really, we're college chicken coop, but
it's a studio. It's so cool. You built that yourself.

(33:49):
It's like this elevated house that looks like this amazing
little retreat. Yeah. Um, me and my buddy Nick Odum
and my dad. One day I was like, let's build
something ten foot off the ground. So we had these
big like telephone poles, these pilots, and we drilled holes

(34:12):
three ft full foot in the ground. We put fifteen
of them with our hands in there and we seem
into them in there and we built, um what's that
called again? I forgot what it's called, but joist floor
joist I guess, or like just the foundation of it
up there and we made like a really cool barn

(34:34):
looking thing. We cut on the porch, the front and
back porch of it. We went out in the yard,
cut down a pine tree, shaved off the bark of
the pine tree, put them on the front of the
porches for the stands. It looks so cool. It's colored
chicken caud. That's such an accomplishment to say, like I
built this. It's pretretty cool. It's really cool. Like I'm

(35:00):
excited to get it ready. That way I can start
doing demos and make it. It's gonna be. It's gonna
be called the Chicken Coop. That's the studio. You've got
a lot of talents. Lane, Well, thank you so much
for joining me. I always like to wrap up with
one question, which is lead your Light, which is basically basically,
what do you want people to know? Just what do

(35:21):
you want to tell people? M hm Um. I just
want to say, uh, thank you um for being supportive
of me. And if it wasn't for you' be on
a camera, it wouldn't I wouldn't be me right now,

(35:41):
like I wouldn't have all this right now. So you alright, great,
I'm your biggest fan. Oh man, Well care your fans
receive that, and that's such an amazing attitude to have.
Attitude of gratitude always, So good luck on all of
your musical endeavors and every other amazing hobby and skill

(36:06):
that you have like building, picking pubs. Good left with
all of that, we will all be following your journey,
and thank you so much for joining us. You're a
national insider talking about your career. App Okay Bolan
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