The Globetrotters: Flight Time and Big Easy.

These guys are worldwide sensations. They have travelled to over 70 countries and shook hands with President Obama and the Pope. As a matter of fact, Flight Time wrote a best seller book called “Projects, Popes and Presidents,” where he chronicles his life growing up in the Projects, witnessing domestic violence, to chasing his dream of basketball which led him literally around the world. Big Easy also grew up witnessing violence and destruction (he lived through Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans and lost everything). I met these 2 guys when we raced on “The Amazing Race: All Stars.” They are the most positive, inspiring dudes you will ever meet. They met every challenge on “The Race” with the most optimistic attitude and the belief of success, as well as lending a helping hand to other teams along the way. They share so much insight for how they achieved their dreams, broke cycles, and are creating a new way of life for their families. They both shared how change starts in the family unit. They are shining examples of how anyone can live the life and future of their dreams, and as Flight Time says “Kindness is Free,” so spread it around like crazy!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, Caroline. She's a queen and talking song you mind.
She's getting really not afraid to feel it's so so
just let it flow. No one can do with c Caroline. Caroline,

(00:27):
this is a really exciting podcast for me. I'm so excited.
It's takes me back to some of the best days
of my life when we were racing around the world
on Amazing Race and Flight Time and Big Easy, the Globetrotters.
They were like the bad ass guys representing the Globetrotters.
Y'all are also the kindest people. Um, y'all are joining

(00:49):
me and y'are three time Amazing racers, three time losers.
Thank you for having us song. We really appreciate it.
We've we've missed you. It's been a while since we've
seen you. I know. Isn't that The crazy thing about
Amazing Race is you're in this like little bubble and

(01:09):
this little tiny little incubator with just these people, and
you're racing on around the world having these wild experiences.
You're getting so close to all these different teams, and
then it's just over and everyone disperses back to life.
Like I had a little bit of a letdown. It
was a hard transition to go back into real life
for me. Did y'all struggle with that? Um? Not really,

(01:30):
I think because you know, we we continue to travel.
You know, what will we do for our job at
the time, you know, we would vote still on the
team and still traveling, and you know, we were actually
reliving the amazing race you know every night because when
we go do shows and stuff, you know people was
coming because you know they enjoy watching us on the show.
So um, it was cool to keep going. But you know,

(01:52):
I would love to do it again, like on that
at that point and I was like, I want to win,
you know, so on that point, yes, it's a letdown
from losing. I wished you know, I wish I could
do it again. It Yeah, I think. I think one
of the things that we all experienced and we would
talk about amongst former races are the right the race mayors,
Like even on tour. Sometimes I know that I would
wake up, I think that I'm still running a race,
and you know, thinking that I've yeah, yeah, I need

(02:16):
to wait, you know, wake big, easy up. But nobody
else is in the room except for me, for I mean,
but that kind of think, that's something that happens like
a month or whatever afterwards, where you wake up and
thinking that you about the missile of something. I think
a lot of us have experienced that totally. Okay, So
I want to talk a little bit about you guys
and your upbringing, how y'all got to the globetrotters, Herb.

(02:38):
I was just reading some of your book projects Popes
and Presidents. First off, I didn't know you're best selling author,
Like you just wrote this book and it just became
a national best bestseller, which is amazing. But you're talking
about how you grew up, um, the way you were raised,
how that impacted you, And I just sort of want
to talk to you all about your childhoods and what
what led you to basketball. And I know from your book, Herb,

(03:00):
you had a lot of overcoming and you saw some
stuff that you didn't necessarily want to be, like even
like when it came to being father and um a
partner and all that, Like, you witness some stuff he
that made you go differently, but it was so important
to you from the life that you had, was so
important to you in shaping you. And I'm sure that
you have some stories too, So I just would love
to hear y'all upbringing what led you to basketball and

(03:21):
the Globetrotters, Well, I mean from I mean, as you
read the first chapter the book, that initial thing that
I remembered in my book is what led me to
the basketball. If you read more into the book, you'll
know that that person, you know, from that horible experience
with the person that led me to the opportunities that
I have right now. Yeah, yeah, and and so I
just feel like all the experience and obstacles that I

(03:43):
face have actually given me opportunity to see things in
a different way, uh and not so negative at times.
And I think that that's what's been one of the
best things about my life, being able to see things
that way and living that way and let people know
that at the end of the day, you know, things
are gonna be okay. I've learned to not complain about
certain things because at the end of the day, I
realized that there are people, especially from my travels, that

(04:03):
have a lot more you know, horrible things going on
in their lives than myself. You know, a former hollow
Blow will try to even growing up growing up in
the projects of Arkansas, there are people who grew up
a lot worse and are growing up a lot worse
than I did right now in different parts of the world.
So that first memory that you talked about in your
book is your mom's boyfriend and he can't He's riding
up on a bike and then he just starts like

(04:25):
beating up your mom physically, and you were, yeah, yep, yep.
I think I was about four years old. And you know,
one of the things that that taught me is, you know,
never to put my hands on a on a woman,
because I remember, you know, those experiences happened over and
over again for a short period of my life. But
it just, you know, put me in the mindset to where,
you know, if I gotta put my hands on somebody,

(04:46):
I have to realize that, you know, that's somebody's mother,
that's somebody's daughter. And now I have a daughter now.
And it even put things in more perspective that you know,
it's not right, it's not necessary, and you know, there's
other ways to work things out. And I love that
used at it was just like, uh, you you well,
you had the reasons why you felt like that was happening.
Was just like not being educated, like he didn't know

(05:09):
any better basically, right, right, right, I mean it was
it was a cycle. You know that that person, he
it was something that he experienced growing up. And you know,
if that's something that continues to happen and you never
talked a different way, you kind of know that it's wrong,
but it's hard not to reactive. And that's you what
you've been used to sing for a large portion of
your life. Not to make it an excuse, but there's
a lot of opportunity and a lot of research out

(05:31):
there now for us as me and and women to
realize that there are other things that we can do
besides become physically violent with one another. I love that.
But he also led you to basketball because he was
an incredible basketball player. So that's how you learned how
to play basketball and got into it, right, that's right.
He led me, led me to the game of basketball.
And I've had conversations with him even in the last year.
You know, I still, uh, you know, reach out and

(05:53):
try to support him the best way that he can.
Because at the end of the day, I don't think
that he was a horrible person. He just didn't have
the education that I had up with the experiences I
was able to have in order that I can see
things in a different light. I totally agree. And so
is that what led you to write your book? You
said it was finally time for you to write your story.
You're retired from the Globe Trotters, which nate you still

(06:14):
are going strong. You're not retired, you're still rocking a
wrong Uh huh? Is that you? So? Her? Have you
retired from the Globe Trotters. You've been there eighteen years
and you finally said, Okay, I'm gonna write my life story. Yeah. Yeah,
that's basically what happened, because I mean probably about five
years into my career, every time I would come home
and I'm sure they probably gets this as well, my homeboys,

(06:35):
my friends, whatever, they started asking questions and they would say, man,
you should write a book. And this happened for almost
twelve years, and then finally when it was over with,
I said, yeah, it's time for me to write a book.
In from writing that book, what I was able to
do and what I feel like I've been able to
do is give back, you know, to people who have
read it. What the world is given to me is,
which is some amazing experiences and That's what it's all
about for me right now. It's about giving back and

(06:57):
sharing my life stories and my life experien answers so
that some other people, when Facebook similar situations may know
how to deal with these situations. And that's my main
purpose now. Kind OF's is free, doesn't cost us a dime,
give it away knowing that we'll never run away, run
out of it, and and and just keep going. I
love that. So, Nay, tell me a little about you.
How did you grow up? How did you get your

(07:18):
start in the basketball? Um? I was you know, I
grew up in New Orleans. I grew up in the
mail for me projects, UM, in New Orleans in the nineties. UM,
which was tough. You know, it was a lot of
stuff I've seen that I wouldn't wishing anybody to see,
you know. UM, But everything I've been through and went
through they made me who I am to day. It's
the reason why I'm as tough as I am as
the reason. UM, nothing really phased me. I always go hard,

(07:41):
never make excuses. I don't give up on nothing no
matter what. UM. Just for me, basketball still it was
it saved my life. It was this point Blake, you know,
growing up. I grew up seeing the things I've seen,
all the murders and and all the violence and different things.
It was part of growing up witness murders sometimes. But yeah,

(08:01):
of course you see, you see some stuff that you
you don't want to don't see growing up as a
as a kid. Yeah, you know, you you did, you know,
see some things and walking to school the next day,
you know, you see somebody still out there. You get
caught up. You know. The basketball court got shot up,
you know. When I was younger, I was like nine
years old. Uman, one of my best friends, Wayne was
on the court watching the game, and UM, some guys

(08:23):
out another project came and shot the court up, you know.
And that was just part of growing up. It was
part of the neighborhood we was in, UM and it
just made me tough. It made me like, wanna do better,
you know, and in order to do better, you have
to know better. And I understood that being taller than
everybody coming up, this mean that I was gonna naturally

(08:44):
play basketball. I had to work hard and and and
and persevere and get through those things. And you know,
I didn't get a chance to play summer ball, au ball.
I had to go work in the summertime, you know,
because you know, if I didn't work in the summertime,
I wouldn't be able to buy my school uniforms for
when school started, you know, and things like that. And
so I went through some stuff, and you know, um,

(09:06):
it made me who I am. My father got hurt
when now I was in eleven grade, I think. Uh,
he was a long shore on the river. Um, he
saved some mother had to stop to take care of him.
And so instead of going straight to college, you know

(09:26):
what happened out? Sorry, yeah, you said your father got hurt.
He was on a river. He was he was a
long shoreman. Yeah, he was a long shoreman. He worked
on the river. We called it at the port, the
Port of New Orleans, we called it on the river.
But yeah, he was a long shoreman. He got hurt. Um,
he saved someone as he was getting hurt. And um,
because of that accident, he had to stop working to

(09:47):
heal up. My mother had to stop her job to
take care of my dad because he was home. And
so you know, I went to work. I worked at
a place called achime Osha House. Um. I was washing
dishes and shucking oysters at six nine, Um, and it
just it made me understand like even more what I
want to do. I want to go to college. I
want to get an education, and um, the vehicle for

(10:08):
me to do that was too basketball. And I think
if it wasn't for that ball, Um, you know, I
probably wouldn't be here. I wouldn't be in a position
that end the day. So I love that. And I
was telling her just a little bit before we started,
like I struggle with the brokenness of this world, Like

(10:28):
it's really hard for me to accept that there's so
much pain and suffering in the world, especially with like
young children. And you you both witnessed a lot of
violence as young boys, and UM, a lot of things
that you decided not to do, and you made decisions
to change your life and to change your mindset and
to have a different way of living. But I agree

(10:50):
with you her how you said, a lot of it
is just not knowing, not knowing better, being caught in
this cycle. And I it just crushes my soul that
the cycle exist, because I agree with you, if we
if people could just learn a different way, it wouldn't
maybe the violence wouldn't have to be like it is
or or the suffering would have to be like it is.
But like, how do you deal with a broken world

(11:14):
when you know in your heart things things should be
better and that everyone has a good spark in then
we just might not know how to how to be
the best version of ourselves? Like how do you not
feel sad about it? Because sometimes I feel sad that
there's just so much suffering going on. I think everything
starts at home, you know, I think, Um, no matter

(11:36):
what you know, nothing is no, you don't inherit anything.
Everything you see at home. So whether it's you know,
being like herb said, being violent, you know, he wants
to break that cycle. You know, whether there's somebody being mean,
be a bully, being racist, being anything you you see,
it's at home. It's come from a time that they
was taught that any house. So my thing is I

(11:57):
try to break every cycle that I've been through. And
then it was poverty, whether it's the lack of education,
anything that is, and any everybody can do that at home.
If you start there, If you start there and you
teach your kids a different way, then you can break
the cycle. It starts with you. It starts at home,
you know, we want to change the world. Of course,
like herbs say, you know, you want to see conns

(12:20):
is free and that that engulf a lot of things.
You know. He when he says that, that that that that
puts a dome on everything, because it is if you're
if you're kind, that's gonna eliminate a lot of stuff
from from the start, you know that. And I love that.
So I think it starts at home. It's tough to
see certain things and stuff, to see people going through

(12:40):
things that that that you saw, and but you know,
I understand if at home, you know, if I practice
and preach to my kids education and learning how to
balance a checkbook and and just getting your credit right,
this small little things like that that we didn't get
the opportunity coming up, um, it could change it could

(13:01):
change the world. But I think everything starts at home,
whether it's teaching them good things are bad things, it
always starts at home. You can think about anything that
happened in your life and how you look at other
people and things around you, and your parents had an
influence on that. And so as parents we gotta make
sure we we we we were saying the right things,
doing the right things, and having a popular influence with

(13:23):
all your kids. Carolina, I totally agree with what Nate says.
I mean, it definitely starts at home. A lot of
a lot of what I feel like we're dealing with
now issue that we have that we're watching what's going
on on television. We're watching too much news, and we're
getting worked up about things that we really have no
control over, and we're letting that affect our homes, where
that is where we should be solving and letting our

(13:45):
people know that everything is gonna be okay. I mean,
for myself, I saw myself getting caught up and what
was going early in the year, but I had to
shift and realize that I need to be strong for
the people that I can start, you know, sought for
within my immediate grasp. So if we can start that,
that's a good point, because like sometimes I get overwhelmed
by the hugeness of it. You see all this stuff

(14:05):
on the news and TV and all of this these
terrible things that are happening, and all this injustice and
all these things that need to change, and people who
are suffering and being the wrongdoing going on, and and
it's like, oh my god, I feel so overwhelmed. I
actually feel like I can't do anything. But then, like
what you're saying and what I'm really trying to grasp
as well, is where can I make a difference, Where

(14:26):
do I have an impact? Where can I actually have
a grasp to to reach people and focus on that? Yeah,
I mean absolutely, I mean and it's also about mental awareness.
This is Mental Awareness Month, and that's one of the
things that's being spoken on a lot, even in the
sports industry, one of the things that I'm you know,
talking about and and discussing a lot. I'm taking part

(14:48):
in a mental awareness event just last month into Luca
Lake and Birdbank, and I'm having another one on October
twenty fifth, this Sunday. It's a virtual slash in person
event where we're just having people come out and meet
greed and and talk about you know, what we're dealing with.
Working with a few people, but mental awareness is important
in our community. Growing up, and I even now it

(15:08):
was kind of frowned up on to go out and
skil I mean, I knew after my globetrot career ended
after eighteen years, I had to go and see see
a counsel to talk about the things that I was
dealing with in my head. You know, I've been used
to doing the same thing for eighteen years and that
was no longer happening. But when I was able to
realize that, I've learned so much. But yeah, go ahead, No,
but you're doing the same thing. And when you're a Globetrotter,

(15:29):
you guys are traveling the world, you're treated like because
you are. You're this celebrity team that comes in and
makes people smile and happiness. You bring all this joy
to the world and it's like a huge event everywhere
y'all go. So probably to have that stop and then
all of a sudden, you're just her, you know, I mean,
you're her, the Globetrotter, the amazing racer, the father, the author,

(15:53):
all that, but the whole, the whole um movement that
happens with the Globetrotters everywhere you go, it's kind of
gone on. So what is that like, transitioning from being
involved with this team that is so loved and so
respected and has so much energy around it everywhere it
goes to being on your own. It's it's, uh, well,

(16:13):
it's about recreating the experience, but recreating it in my
own way all the things that I've learned over the
kept course of that eighteen years. For example, branding, I
started my own brand, swag Ball. The Globe Trotters started
their own brand, as I mentioned to you. By building
a home, you know in Florida's being able to hold
retreats and teach kids as well as adults a different
way of living as well as a different way of thinking.

(16:35):
It's just about being creative. I feel like God in
the universe showed me the whole world over that course
of eighteen years, so I can give back my perspective,
you know, from my actual, real, none biased view of
the things that I've seen, and I've seen a lot
and my experiences are all things that each one of
us can build upon. That's interesting. I'd love to hear
both of y'all's respective on this. Y'all have seen the

(16:57):
whole world from being in the Harlem Globetrotters and then
traveling the Amazing Race three times, so I know I
did it two times and I went to like twenty countries,
so y'all probably went to like thirty countries on the
Amazing Race, who knows. And then you traveled everywhere with
the Globe Trotters. And what I thought was interesting with
The Amazing Race is when we were on that show,
you really got into the life. They didn't like, you

(17:19):
don't go to The Amazing Race and do like touristy stuff.
They put you in the middle of real life living
of whatever country you're in, like you're One of the
things we did was like, um, you we were made
clothing at a at a clothing like a kind of
like a sweatshop, and like you know that you're in
it doing that. Another one's like building a canoe, Like

(17:40):
you get in the middle of what's happening in that
culture on The Amazing Race, which I found very enlightening
to get to feel how people are living in those countries.
And I feel like probably you get that insight being
a globetrotter too, because you're welcome to these countries and
you get to meet people who, like your book says,
president's popes and all these people. You get to meet
people who your decision makers for these countries, and like, really,

(18:04):
I don't know, like you're really you really get a
glimpse of how life works that not many people get.
And y'all have seen that on such a big global level.
What have you learned from your experiences of knowing these
cultures and knowing these people who run these these countries

(18:25):
in these cities and getting to be with all these
incredible people, but then be with everyday people as well, Like,
what have you taken from all of that? Well? I learned,
and you know I'm still traveling and still going. Um,
I've learned. You know, when I got with the Globe Trials,
I was coming from Hurricane Katrina. Um. I had just
lost everything in the hurricane and basically had nothing. And Um,

(18:47):
the first trip I went on with the Globe Trials,
wass to India with to China, India and you know,
this third world country and there were it looked like
Hurricane Katrina. What's happening every day over there? Um? And
but they were the nice people. Uh. They smile, they
seemed happy, they appreciative of us being over there. And
another thing I've learned from doing amazing race and traveling

(19:08):
with the Globe Trotters is, um, the more the less fortunate,
the poor people. Um, the people who you don't you know,
quote unquote seem like have a lot going on, are
the most gracious and the kindness and the nicest people
you know were during the race. Men, when we first
did the major race, you can you can walk up
to people and ask them to, hey, buy me a hamburger,

(19:31):
give me two dollars for the you know, for the
get this taxi and you know, you know men man flight.
We used to do tricks in the airport to get
money then take pictures and stuff, you know, to help
us be able to get some food or something like that.
And the people who was driving the taxis are standing
on the corner just on the subway, regular hard work

(19:52):
and day to day people would offer us money and
food morging. The people with the suits on driving the
maserati's in the ferraris and the people who you know
who technically you know, you're on the same level as
and and that made me realize, like it's really true.
Never drudge it book by its cover because you're walking
like hey, like oh, I think they're they Oh he's

(20:13):
gonna help us, and you know he's here. She might
shun this, but this person right here who might not
be addressed as much to impress and shoes are not
shining like that would be the one to say, hey,
come on, let's go. I know where you I know
we need to go. And we'll run next to or
rickshaw all the way through India to help us get
to the next thing. And the person who was dressed

(20:36):
lavishly and it had all these things wouldn't even look
at us twice. So I've learned that, you know, and
once you already knew, like everybody is a person, just
nobody by by what you see, you know, way today
show you who they are, and then you judge them,
you know, just because anything in life, it doesn't matter
where that person comes from, what they look like. You

(20:56):
have that conversation with them, you interact with them, and
after interaction, then you judge them. But other than that,
everybody is everybody. That love is love and just enjoyed
yourself and I and I appreciate that as being a
globe trying to to get to see those things coming
from New Orleans, growing up in the projects and now
I've been to over ninety countries. So it's awesome, it's amazing.

(21:18):
It's a great experience. What about you, herb Well, for me, Um,
what I learned is that the world is not as
bad as we thought it. Was from looking at television,
and I remember my first couple of years of globe trotting,
I would tell people, don't believe everything you see on television,
you know, because once you go to another country, you
get different perspectives. And also one of the things I

(21:39):
also realized that, you know, growing up, I was a
person who was impressed with people with their stature, what
they'd accomplished, and excited to meet. But one of the
things that I've learned throughout the course of life and
travel in eighteen years of course amazing racing, is that
people are people, and we're all human. And so I
learned to not get overly excited about people that I meet,
because the people that I met at the end of

(22:00):
the they are human just like me. You know, I
met President Obama twice. I shook his hand and he
felt just like I did. You know, I saw him
take a couple jump shots he missed, just like I
missed sometimes, you know, I spun the ball when the
President's I mean, on the Pope's finger. His hand was
just as sweaty as mind was. He was human. You know,
he had a mom and dad back in Argentina, just
like you know, the President Obama had family that he

(22:21):
grew up with back in Hawaii. They're human, So talk
to people like they're human and don't be you know,
you know, over excited about people and the things that
they have accomplished. Be excited about the things that they're doing,
that they are doing to help the world. That is
so true. And Nate, you brought up a good point

(22:42):
that sometimes the people who have the least are the
most joyful and the most helpful, and sometimes those who
seemingly have the most materialistically are not as joyful and
as helpful. Why is that? Why is it when people
have so little? Because I noticed that too on the
Amazing Race when we went to Sri Lanka. Sri Lanka,

(23:05):
everyone was so nice and and there was a lot
of poverty and you know it's not a very wealthy
country at all, but there's a lot of love. It
felt like in that country. What is that like? Why
do you think people who have so little are sometimes
the happiest? I think it's because, um, what people value.

(23:26):
You know, what you consider rich? You know, what what
what you could consider are you rich? And what you
you wealthy? And what you know and like for example,
like growing up in the projects in New Orleans. I
wouldn't change any of that, except for you know, the
violence and emerges. Of course, I didn't know. I wasn't
I was poor, you know, I didn't. I didn't know
I didn't have anything. You know. I was fortunate to

(23:49):
me and my brother was the only two kids, you know,
in the project to have their mother and father living
in the house. So we were happy, you know, we
we were. We were exciting until we got to age
so want different stuff and and and and try to
get different things. So we realized, okay, we we are poor,
but everybody around us was poor, so we didn't know.
We felt like we were doing good. I think um

(24:11):
people value different things, just like in Sri Lanka. They
you know, they they probably didn't value um money and
material things. They value family, uh, relationship, friends, love, you know,
and so to them. Now they're wealthy. You see it
all the time. The people with the most money have
the most problems, you know, the people who are so
wealthy they're happy. And sometimes you know, boom, you got

(24:34):
this big old house and all this money, but you're
sitting in that room alone. Who cares? Like you know,
I'm from New Orleans. I grew up with this group
of people who went through the stage with me when
we were younger. Those are my friends still to this day.
I can call, text or whatever with them to this day,
and it's it's about, you know, those relationships and those
friendships and being being wealthy. Wealth that's the wealth you need.

(24:56):
I think that's what some people look at. And also
you can't and you're for nothing that you never had,
you know, so you make the best out of the
situation that you're in. So like, of course, like now
I can be like, oh man, I don't have this anymore,
that anymore, and then you're sad. But like, I'm happy
because of the friendships. I'm happy because of everything I've done.
I'm happy because of the role and the thing I'm

(25:18):
building for my kids in the next generation, you know,
like like yeah, like it's cool. Like I used to
always want to buy sneakers and stuff. Now I can
get any sneaker out one and I refused to buy sneakers.
I have to say I want a same pair of
Vans or team issue Nikes all the time. And you
can get me to not have my mom try to
go stand in line for those New Jordans for two

(25:40):
days when I was younger, But like I understand, like now, no,
it's about my kids being happy, it's about my wife
being happy. It's about making others happy. It's about putting
smiles on other people face, you know, like that, Like
that's that's what's important to me. And that's what I
think a lot of people figure out. You just gotta
figure out what makes you rich inside, what makes you wealthy? What?

(26:01):
What's what makes you a billionaire in your heart? And
once you realize what that is, you're such a happier
person and so many things don't matter and we all
have to figure out what that is. You know, how
much is enough? You know what what you you know,
get what you need to give to with uncomfortable and
be okay with that, but you know, wake up every

(26:23):
day and enjoy yourself. Just like right now with the pandemic,
like you know, I haven't been able to travel as much,
but I got to coach my son's tea ball team.
That was I would get emotion now. I was so
happy to be able to coach his tea ball team.
Now it was controlled chaos, you know, but to be

(26:43):
able to coach his tea ball team. I felt so
fulfilled and that was bigger than any truckload of gifts
I can give him for Christmas, his birthday to be
able to be on the sideline and coach his tea
ball game. So I'm rich and I'm wealthy in in
that aspect. That means more to me than you mean hours,
because that's something he's going to remember forever. So I
think that's I think for me personally, I think that's

(27:05):
what it is is what you considered, well, what what
you happy about, what makes you rich and heart is
that's why people without money are sometimes happening people with money.
I totally agree. What do you think her? Well, yeah,
I mean it's hard to follow what he just said.
I agree with everything that he just said. But it's

(27:27):
funny that we that you mentioned about you talk about
the things that we're rich in, because that's kind of
what you know. This book that I just wrote in
on September nine that came out, Cracking a Rich Code,
Volume four, speaking and my chapter in the book. There's
twenty other authors, but the authors there's Kevin Harrington, Jim Britt.
There's twenty other authors, but my chapters titled the kindest

(27:49):
ridge to wealth. And it's not about how much money
you have, you know, And every person that has written
the chapter in that book has different variations of what riches.
And it's never really about money, you know, It's about
finding your purpose. It's about finding your reason to get
up and get moving every single day, which I found
post globetrot to career. You know, early on, for that
first year, I didn't know what, you know, what to do.

(28:11):
You know, I was in a in a world wind
in my mind trying to figure out how to put
together all the pieces of the things I had accumulated
over the course of that eighteen to twenty years. But
once I figured it out, I found my purpose. Now,
you know, I went from a person used to sleep
to twelve o'clock in the afternoon who can't wait to
get up to see the sunrise. So these are the
shifts that happened, you know, along the course of your life.

(28:32):
And now you know, I would, you know, make make
a good living. I'm rich in that. I'm rich in
good health, you know, my kids are doing well, my
family as well. So these are the things that I'm
rich in, and these are the things that I value
and when you're riching these things, the monetary things will
come along. I love that. So how did you find
your purpose? Because I feel like a lot of people

(28:53):
hit a spot like you did when you've had a
very strong career, a very much of an identity career,
like being a Harlem globe trotter is an identity career,
like when when they when people meet you and they
know your Harlem globe trotter, that's exciting. People are excited
to talk about that. It's definitely a defining piece of
who you are, but it's obviously not who you are.

(29:14):
So what do you do when you've been in this defining,
defined career for so long and then you refined your
purpose because you said it took you about a year,
And like, how how did you find your purpose in
that transition? Because I feel a lot of people get
to that place and they don't know what to do
or how to move to the next chapter. Well, A
big part of a big part of it was reflecting.

(29:36):
I mean, it was going back being grateful, being thankful
for the opportunity. You know, in the beginning, I was
a little bit disappointed when it ended because I didn't
know where to go, but immediately being able to reflect
is like saying, oh, when I came in, I took
somebody else position, What did they go through? I was
lucky enough to hold that position for eighteen years, probably
a few years longer than I should have. But once

(29:58):
I left, it opened up the door for some on
else to be able to come in and you know,
and sharing that opportunity. So I mean what I mean
that that's a blessing. That's a way to not be
selfish and realized that you do have a purpose. All
the things that I learned along the course of that
eighteen years are now things that I'm doing because I
enjoyed them. I figured out the way to do it
my way. They gave me the blueprint. Now I get

(30:18):
to make that blueprint bread for me, and I get
to make that blueprint print better for my family and
all those hosts to me. And once I take care
of home, like Nate said, everything else will take care
of itself and it brenches out like a treat. Yeah,
that's so true. It's all perspective, it's all getting right
in your mind. What did you guys? What was y'all

(30:41):
secret to success on being such a dynamic duel on
the Amazing Race, because a lot of people go on
the Amazing Race and they com completely self destruct. They
each other apart, they hate each other, They're yelling at
each other the whole time, and they can't get on
the same page and work as a team. You guys

(31:03):
were such a strong team, and y'all were such strong teammates.
You were so good at respecting and working together and
playing off of each other's strengths. How did you get
to that mindset? Because I feel like that is so
crucial in life to be able to operate in that
way instead of in the negative way. I think um

(31:26):
our relationship UM was strong beforehand, Like you know what
we had in college. He went to school in Louisiana,
sitt Ary coach Billy Kennedy was his coach, UM. And
when I went to you when little younger than her.
So when I went a lot younger than her. So
when I went to school, when I went to school
at UM South Eastern Louisiana, I had the same head coach, Um,

(31:49):
and so I knew of her. I used to walk
in his office and I would see a globtry to
picture of her behind him in his office for two
and a half years. And then when I and so
when I got the opportunity to come a home and
girl try to the first thing happened was HERB called

(32:10):
me and he was like, yeah, you know I was
coach Kennedy called me, So you're gonna join the team.
And we build a relationship from there. Um natural, you know,
and we was friends well alone before the race, you know,
four or five years. You know, her was the best
man at my wedding. You know, so like we have
a true like relationship, but beyond a friendship, like that's

(32:32):
that's what's my best friend. So, um, it was easy
for us to go on there. We already know how
to disagree. We know, we disagree in the locker room.
You know, we disagree on the court, We disagree on
the bus. We did so we know, like at the
end of the day, you gotta keep moving and and
it's love. You know, it was love. It was never
you know, nothing he's saying during the race on you know,

(32:52):
in front of millions of people, what's gonna be something
he's trying to hurt. He's trying to help me, and
vice versa. No matter what he said, no matter how
I felt um well, even if we had to stick
a pin in it and talk about it when we
got back to the hotel when the camera was off.
But we and we know we was representing and kids
look up to us too also, so we would and

(33:14):
that's who we are, not you Like if you see
you know you got flight timing being easy. But if
you see Natan heard, you don't see the same thing
we don't put on the show. Anybody who knows personally,
they know who we are personally. Now you're gonna get
the same thing no matter what. So it was easy
for us to transition to do it on TV because
we just no matter what, you gotta be yourself. And

(33:34):
I think people couldn't realize who's who's not authentic on
the show. Like from from when I watched the show,
I could tell when somebody putting on for the camera
and and they had people around us who would do
stuff to us, and then cameras that go off and
be like, man, I hope your fans are not mad
at me, or they will apologize to us on screen
to just because you know they they they don't want

(33:56):
the fans to be mad at it. And I don't
think we did that. We did everything for real, like
I was representing my family. He was representing his family.
You know, he was representing his mother. I was representing
my mother. If I did anything crazy disrespectful to heart,
my mother would slap me in my head. And his
mother went too. So there's no way I was taking
that chance of doing that crazy like that. Also, I

(34:18):
think one of the things that they mentioned earlier about
uh like expectations and not. We never went into that
race counting that money as if, oh, we have to
win the million dollars and we when we in the
million dollars, we're gonna do X, y and z. We
went into the race to you know, enjoy ourselves, having
a good time, and if that money, you know, comes,
then it would have come. Of course, we would have loved,
you know, to win the money. But that's not what

(34:40):
it's all about. Some of those teams going there thinking
we have to win, we have to win, putting that
added pressure on themselves, and once things don't start to
go the right way, they start to think, we're about
to lose the money. We're about to lose the money,
and then they start to yell at the part and
it just trickles down. So that's one of the first
things you have to think realize you have to go
in and expect him to enjoy the experience. And when
you get to a certain point of the race, you

(35:01):
do click into like we are getting close to the money.
But me and him, we never went into it saying
that's our money. We gotta take it as whoever comes in,
you know, first place at the at the last leg
of the race, and we came close, but but still
no cigar. But at the end of the day, if
we'd have won the first time or the second time,
we wouldn't have had an opportunity to do it a
third time. And I probably wouldn't have an opportunity to

(35:23):
play for an additional eight years. And they's ugly face
probably wouldn't still be running up. True, Um, you you
brought You brought up a really great point, Nate and
I would love to talk about this. You said, y'all
know how to disagree, And I feel like that's a
part of life. We're not all going to get along
with each other. We're not all gonna see things from

(35:45):
the same perspective. There's a new different reasons why we
all have have a different thought in our mind on
how things should be. But learning how to disagree in
a respectful way truly a talent that I feel like
many people lack so and sometimes I even lack it.
Like I find myself, I'm like, why did I just

(36:06):
respond immaturely? Like I? Why am I not? Because? Like?
Why am I? I I? Disagreeing and having conflict in a
more loving way? Because just because you're disagreeing doesn't mean
you want the other person to be wrong or they're
an idiot? Did you disagree? So? How do you guys
disagree and how do you stay at a high energy
level when you aren't seeing things out to eye? Um?

(36:29):
I think for me, UM, when I was younger, my
my mother and father they could not disagree correctly. Um.
It was a lot of yelling and and a lot
of words you shouldn't probably be saying to someone you love.
And and you know, I love both of my parents.
My dad passed away right before we did the race
the first time. And I've always said, you know, when

(36:53):
I was As I get older, when my relationships, especially
when I have kids, I'm not gonna be disagreeing and
augentent fussing and fighting like that in front of my
kids are an ear shot. And I think in order
to do that, you have to have uh, you gotta
talk to your partner, your friend, you your related whoever
you have a relationship friendship with and have an understand

(37:14):
it all. Just talk about you know, with me and
my wife. You know, my wife's a psychologe too, so um,
you know you you you have conversation, you say, hey, like,
this is what we want and in life, that's what
we want in this great relationship, friendship, marriage, whatever. And
you said you have to talk about it because you're
going to disagree. It's healthy to disagree. I think. I

(37:34):
think there's no way you should everybody should agree on everything.
No way. Like my dad used to always say, well,
if your girl, if your girlfriend, UM, don't fight with you.
That means you fight with somebody else, you know, so
you need you need to leave her alone, you know
what I mean. She loves somebody else. So I think
you have to disagree. You have to um have those things,

(37:55):
but you have to talk about it. And when whenever
you have a disagreement, and then was the way that
you vote, don't like and you feel so bad about it?
And he was yelling at each other whatever you was doing,
that's okay, that's a lesson. That's a lesson. You said,
you know what, I feel like this. I felt when
you said this, and then he or she say whatever
they say in return. Then you said, you know what,

(38:16):
We're not gonna fight. We're not gonna argue like that again.
We're not gonna do this again. And I think for
me and her, like we chilled, you know, like her,
I never her never, you know, gets raised his voice
to get too crazy, you know, a few situations, and
I did a little bit coming from my background, would
get a little rotting. And I think her helped call

(38:37):
me down my first couple of years on the team
with that um and I think it was just a
match made heaven with us. I think it was. And
we him talk. We also talked before the race. Even
though we never had a drag out for us out
fight argument, we still say, listen, if this happened, that
is how we're gonna handle it. And I think that's important.
Even though we have never had an issue, we still

(38:58):
communicate about it. And now it happens, you know, okay,
we agreed to not do it this way, and I
think you do it in your house, you know, trying
to have a blueprint of Okay, when things get tricky
or this gets hard and we're in the heat at
the moment, we're going to handle it like this. So
we're gonna go and go with this mindset that's smart
to prepare. Yeah, I mean, I love that that they

(39:21):
said we we learned how to disagree, because I mean,
what's what what's happening in the world. We we all
have to learn to to disagree. Everything doesn't have to
go the way that we wanted to go. And that's
when I mean, I talked about that in my book.
When people when you're not doing what people think that
you're supposed to be doing, you're an a hole. But
when you're doing exactly what they want you to doing, Oh,
you're the best you know, supposed to be doing they

(39:42):
think you're supposed to be doing. You're the best person
in the world. But everything doesn't have to go our way.
We have to be able to see things from other
people's perspectives. And when you're able to actually see things
from other people's perspectives, it gives you in a different
view and a different outlook on things, like different experiences
from the way people were raised. Like you know Nate's background,
my background, they were similar, but they were different. You know,

(40:04):
Nate came from the projects. He had his mom and
his dad. I came up into projects. I had my mom.
My dad was in Texas, but we still had some
of the similar experiences. My dad was still there. It's just,
I mean, so many things in life that we have
to learn to realize that we have to take other
people's perspectives and things, and things aren't always as comfortable
as they may seem to us or as uncomfortable. And

(40:26):
I think those are some experiences that we got from
the amazing race, as well as traveling around the world,
being able to see different perspectives, being able to see India,
being able to see Sri Lanka. You know, I remember
Nate's first year traveling to India and him saying as
we're looking out, as we're looking out the window on
the bus in India, he's just come from Hurricane Katrina

(40:46):
and saying, man, I just came from Hurricane Katrina. And
it's like this every day, like I'll never forget that.
That's one of the moments in my life. On the
bus in India that I will never forget that he
could be that humble right after that experience and realized
how fortunately he was at the and you knowing at
that time being one of the most unfortunate people in
America having to escape from American katrain them. That is

(41:08):
so true And Okay, that kind of leads me to
another question, why gratitude? Even in the worst situation, you're
finding gratitude, And I feel like that is such a
secret to happiness and everyone who's truly living a happy,
fulfilled life I feel like has immense gratitude and enjoy
and their gratitude basically it sees is able to see

(41:31):
the good out of the bad situation. But sometimes situations
are just bad and you're just in the middle of
it being bad. But how do you get to where
you can see their gratitude? Because right now you're saying
this to her, there is so much conflict in the
world right now, there's so much separation intention and I

(41:53):
for me, it really weighs on my heart because I
just don't I want everyone to be able to come
unicate sort of like we're talking about, and like, why
can't we all just talk? Why can't we all just
see what what needs to happen for the good of
the whole and work together and like, but there's so
many other things at play, and there's just it's just
such a big, messy world we live in. Why does

(42:15):
it have to be bad? Like? Why do we have
to go through these bad suffering periods? I feel like
it's just a common theme in life, Like there's just suffering.
But then, like you're saying, you can see the gratitude
in your life, like, wow, I went through her a
go Kntrina, But here's this situation that feels like even
maybe worse, Like why does all this exist? I know

(42:36):
that's a really broad question, but like I just can't
grab my head around it sometimes why we live in
this world of so much pain and suffering? But then
it feels like it's a part of it too. Did
that make any sense? I just totally rambled on the circle.
Now I think it did. I think what what you're
saying is and how I look at it is, Um,
you know, you gotta crawl before you walk. You know,

(42:58):
you you gotta in order to and the best thing
about winning anything is the journey. You know. I know
that sounds cliche, but yes, you know I yes, my
dad got hurt. Um, but you know I was. Now
I know how to take care of my family for
the rest of my life because of those two years
taking the responsibility to go and wash dishes and acting

(43:20):
and watch your house. Yes, Hurricane Katrina hit, Um, I
lost everything. Um, but because of Herricane Katrina, the Globe
Trials was doing at Churnity event in Houston for the
victors of Hurricane Katrina. I was in Houston. I got
to try with the team. If I wasn't in, I
would never try out with the Glow Triers. If I
it's Katrina didn't happen, So boom, that's a positive from that.

(43:43):
You know, you know, so many things happened, like yes,
this bad thing happened, but you gotta find out the
good thing. Yes to the pandemic. I can't travel for
six months. Um, and it's and people are dying and
all those bad things, which sucks so bad. Um, I'm home.
I've never been home in twenty years. This is the

(44:05):
first time I've been home for six months in twenty years.
You know. If Glove Trials in college, so it's like, oh,
like I get to read my my son's a bad
time story. Every night I get to go have lunch
with my wife. Um, I get to you know, go
and play some golf. You know, like you guys that
you have to look at the good and everything because

(44:26):
if not, like like Herb said, like like mentally, you know,
you you you're gonna you're gonna be dowmbining yourself. It's
gonna be tough. So you have to try to think
like no matter what, something's good is gonna happen out
or something bad, Like every in my life has been
bad good well quote not bad, but unfortunate, something come

(44:47):
out of it. It gives you the lessons you need
to appreciate everything you have and everything you went through
to get those things. Like you know, I wouldn't appreciate
where I live and all the stuff that I have
if I didn't grow up how I grew up. You know,
if if I grew up you know a different way
for me personally then you know, having uh you know,

(45:09):
like I was just the other day, I was sitting
down and I was sitting with my sons in their playroom.
You know, um, their playroom. It's the size of the
apartment I grew up in. You know, and I was
just sitting there by myself, messing with um P J
mask or something. You know, I was cleaning up and
I was like, wow, like they have a playroom, Like
that's that's awesome. You know. But if I wouldn't have

(45:33):
went through what I went through, I wouldn't even appreciate that.
If I grew up with a playroom, I wouldn't appreciate
that playroom. And you know, if I if I wouldn't
have been through through this, if I wouldn't have been
through Katrina, I wouldn't mentally, I wouldn't be prepared for
the pandemic. I understand, like I lost everything, so if
I lose everything again, like it's okay, I know that's

(45:54):
this material stuff. My family's here, you know, everybody's healthy,
like and and I think it goes back to that,
like everything is, yes, this bad stuff happening, you have
to figure out and understand and taking the bad stuff,
don't overlook it, don't act like it's not happening. That's
the part of dealing talk about it. I think the
most important thing with me is being able to talk

(46:14):
to someone about those things. Even when I said that
on the bus about Um, Katrina and being in India,
that was me getting that out talking to her about it.
You know, like if something going on, but you you
have to go speak to someone and and and talking
to expert, going to a psychologist, psychiatrist. That's important when

(46:35):
you're filling down when those bad things are happening. Like like
like you said, it's just bad, it's just bad. It's
just bad. But it's been bad. It's been bad for
somebody forty years ago, four hundred years ago. It's been
worse for other people. You know, it's it's going to
be bad. But what can we do to you know,
come out like this The other day, UM, one of

(46:56):
one of my person I met at a globe try
to game and Denver. He's from New Orleans. UM, his son,
his son has um diagnosed with autism. His oldest son,
you know, five years old, six eleve years old. Now,
you know, we used to be the center of attention,
but now they had to dedicate so much to the kids,
you know, who had special needs. And I went over

(47:17):
there and you know, they and I just you know,
I spent this some tricks and everything socially. This is
of course, and the mother she cried well when I
was leaving, because she was happy that we was able
to do that for her son. And so even though
all this bad stuff is going on, even though they're
dealing with all these things with their other son, she's

(47:38):
able to have a moment of yes, like, my son
is happy, he's he's rich, he's wealthy in this moment.
And where now like Nate came over, did this with him,
and that's what that makes me happy. I can't travel,
I can't go and put on these shows, but I
just did this one thing with this kid right now
in his backyard, and I see the reaction has had

(48:01):
to his mother, Like Okay, everything's gonna be all right.
Everything's gonna be all right. Every little small thing is
gonna equal to a big thing of everything's going to
be all right. And you have to think that way.
If not, you're gonna stay still, you're going to be miserable.
That's so true. You have to think that way. You're
gonna stay still and be miserable. And I love that

(48:23):
and I love hearing that perspective, and I think it's
so important. What are some tips that you guys do
to pull yourself out of funks? Like when you're starting
to feel overwhelmed and like the world feels like it's
going to hell in a handbag and there's all this
shit happening. I love what you said that you you
you go back into your mind what you've overcome and

(48:44):
how it went from overcoming to a blessing, overcoming to
a blessing. But it's all about the mindset, and it's
all about the way you move through those situations. What
are some tricks and tips that you do when you
are in the middle of the overcoming, when it's not good,
when things are bad, when it feels like it's falling apart,

(49:05):
what do you do in your mind? Like, how do
you get right in your mind? Well for me, for me, Caroline,
I'll jump in on this. One of the things that
I do is, and it may seem a little bit weird.
I reflect back to when I was a kid, you know,
when I'm like five six years old and there was
not really anything that I had to worry about. I
go back to that uh, creative space of mind where
I used to dream, you know, and envision what the

(49:26):
world would look like when I am, you know, at
this point of my life. And if you know, they
talked about the pandemic. Through the pandemic, one of the things,
a few of the things I started to do is meditate.
I meditate every day now at least fifteen to thirty minutes.
I walk, you know, when I'm not when i'm I
walk every day. But that gives me time to clear
my head and I turn off the TV. I give
myself again five minutes of what's happening in the world,

(49:49):
and then I cut it off and I start solving
for the things that I can solve for right there, immediate,
you know, within my grass. So I mean, for me,
those are some of the tricks. We have to be
able to go back and reflect and clear head and
remember when we didn't have so much to worry about.
And we also have to remember the feeling that we
have when we're not worried, and we have to realize
that that feeling that we're having of anxiety, it's going

(50:09):
to go away, you know, it's going to go away.
For as painful as it may be in that moment,
it's eventually going to go away. So you have to
change that that mindset, you know, in your mind as well.
Those are a couple of tricks that I use meditation, reading, walking, exercising. Yes, yes,
and I and I and I talked to people who

(50:30):
make me laugh. I watch comedy. You know. I have
a hunt in Arkansas. I try to contact her every
day because I know that she's gonna bring me joy
in some kind of you know, a way when I'm down.
So reach out to the people who bring you joy,
you know, help the people who are you know, down,
But at the same time, try to be around people
who are like minded like you and searching for the
same joy. And happens that you're that you're searching for

(50:52):
love that do you have any tricks? Oh? Um? I
think the similar you know, I think, um this whenever
something happened that's bad, something going on and you down, Um,
and it might be tough. Just remember when you got
through something else. You know that that's the main thing,
Like if you know, okay, like you know, he's not
gonna give you more than you can handle. So if

(51:13):
you've been through this, you've been through that, you went
through this stage to get to here, like not nothing
is a pathway, no what, no matter if it's you know,
relationship was deathinitely your family and financial stuff. You know,
everybody's been through something, no one has. Nobody has been
perfect throughout So just go and dig into that and
and talk to your friends, talk to your family, give

(51:34):
yourself a break. And what we like to do with
my family and my wife, we like to go go
heights and I live in Colorado, so you know, we
go up to Boulder. You know, we were walking the
mountains with the kids, and you just break away from
from the technology and everything. You're just being yourself. And
and for me, I like to, you know, sit and
just talk to my wife and just say, hey, like
this is going on, what you think about this? You know,

(51:55):
how can you help me? Even though she's a child
psychologist and she might think I'm a child so time too,
so it's maybe be easy, might be easy for her
to diagnose me too. So so I just lean on
I lean on her and and and just and just

(52:16):
just and just trying to just be appreciative stuff. When
things are going good, Like he said, when things are
going good, you gotta be thankful, You gotta be appreciative.
Find out how you can help somebody else in that moment,
you know, and when things are going bad, you know,
think back to when they're doing good and and and
just realize that it's gonna come full circles ups and downs.
You might be you know, might be at a downslope

(52:37):
at that moment, but you know you're gonna go up.
You know you're gonna go up. So just always know
you're gonna bounce back, and just just realize what's important
to you, you know, like sometimes you can be down
by something that that's not really that that important in
the big picture, you know, and always put in perspective
what makes you happy, Like I know right now, what

(52:58):
makes me happy is being a around my kids, you know,
talking to my daughters on the phone, you know, like
hanging out. Like yesterday we just sat on the sofa
all day and did nothing. That was the best thing
in the world. Like always trying to go and do
something and have something planning. Sometimes you need to sit
down and just like her say, take a break, meditated
and rebook, you know, and you know, because you got it.

(53:19):
Like so many people lean on us, and I know
so many people lean on her, but I know from
the years of being with her and as a friend,
and so many former teammates lean on him for advice
and things that he do, but he has to make
sure that he's healthy. He got to make sure that
you know he's doing like like with the pandemic. My
my wife said, like who's gonna be the therapy for
the therapist? You know, like you know who's like the

(53:41):
therapist helping everybody right now, But who's gonna who's gonna
help them? So that's what you gotta look at. You
gotta make sure you're taking care of yourself just to
be unselfish and health care and help everyone, you know.
So and how do you being influential people like you?
Both are y'all both are so um. So many people

(54:03):
lean on you, guys, so many people look to you
for their joy, for their guidance. How do you not
take on the weight of the world. How do you
not take on every every every story and every heartbreak
that you hear? And how do how do you not
take it on in a negative way? How do you
hear all these things? See all these things um exists

(54:24):
with all these different people who are going through different
stuff and not carry that burden, Like how do you
make it a positive? Or I don't think that it's
not that you that you carry their burden? I mean,
it's there's so much going on. And also again I
think it goes back to what can you solve within
right there within your grasp, you know, it's you take
a minute, you reflect on things, but you figure out

(54:46):
a way that you know, whatever you're sad about doesn't
happen to the people that you're close to, you know,
and if you're taking care of them, then they're taking
care of their people. Again, it just branches out. But
I mean, it's it's difficult. I don't think any of
us or what's going on in the world, we have
to put things in perspective, you know, because again, once
you get captured into certain images or faces or parties

(55:09):
that you see on television, these are things that can
trigger things within your body that you didn't even know
that could trigger you, you know, and why are you
letting these things come into your home affect a relationship
with the people that you can actually solve for. So
so again, it just all reflects back to, you know,
taking care of what you can take care of at home,
and then you know, in the community, and then branching
out from there, because if you start at home again,

(55:31):
like Nate says, hey, it expands to where you can't help. Yeah, yeah,
I think like you said, when the burden of other
people the question you asked like how you how you
handle it? Um? I think you you When they when
somebody coming to speak to you and talk to you

(55:52):
about an issue that they're having, you might be the
first person that they ever had spoken a word about
what is going on to them. So in like you have,
you're helping them right there. Sometimes you know, you you
got something big enough on your shoulders to where you
can take that. You can take that, You can take that,
you can take that and you carry that because you
know it's gonna help that person and the moment in

(56:15):
the spot that they're in. In that moment, it's not
the same spot you in. So you can take on
that burden and talk to them and talk them through
that and carry that on. And now whenever you talk
to them about you helped him with, you use that
for the next situation, the bigger burden, you know, and
you can pull back on that situation that that person
been through and say, you know what, I had this

(56:36):
friend who did this, this, that, and this is how
they survived that situation and oh, you know, or you
direct them to the proper channels, you know, like and
and you you let them know like, hey, like I'm
not this and that I don't know everything. Maybe you
should call this person to get this help. I don't
think it's a burden when you when you take all
other people's stuff. I do think you have to be

(56:59):
ready and there, and then you have to be healthy
yourself mentally healthy yourself. Like I said, make sure you
know you don't take it. You know it don't become
a bad thing. Make sure everything you do take on
is something you can handle. And you have somebody to
go put your stuff on too, you know, because you
can't just keep all your stuff inside when people are
unloading on you. And I think it's a blessing to

(57:21):
it's a blessing to be seen as the person who
you can under that people can unload on and they
trust you and and and they feel like you're positive
and and you're gonna help them. I think that's a
that's a honor, you know, I think that's an honor.
You take that as an honor, Like this person is hurt,
they wanna I need to call Caroline to talk about this, Like,

(57:43):
you don't take that as like oh man, here we
go again. I gotta listen to this. You take this
as you know what they believe in me. They trust
me that you know, one of your friends might call
you and study their husband or their wife to help
you help them. Like that's good. That means like, hey,
like my parents, ready is the person to that people
that trusted deepest darkens secrets with me and they want

(58:06):
me to help them go to the light. Like that's
not a bird, that's a blessing, you know. I think
that's how you look at it. That's so true. And
I think the key thing that you said for me
is that I really registered with is that you have
to make sure that you take care of yourself so
that you can be that person for someone else. Like
I can't just take everybody's stuff in and then just

(58:28):
let it consume me and live with it. I have
to figure out how to hear it, be their support people,
support people, but then also let it go in a
way where it doesn't consume me and make me not
effective to be a helpful person. Mhm. So that's that's
a good piece of advice that I am gonna really internalized.

(58:50):
Amy is doing a good job with you Nate, But
what does it like being married? Psychologist? Right now? Bring
out Today's only a day. She's at the taking care
of herself. You know, she's going what she's practicing, what

(59:13):
she preaches. She she got just said he something. It's good.
It's good. You guys both are very enlightened. Y'all are
very wise, very um It's just a mix of probably
your entire lives. You have seen so much and you

(59:34):
have done so much, and on top of like just
your life experiences, the mental work that you both have done.
You all are both so aware of cycles and mentality
and mindset. It's really really a blessing for me to

(59:56):
get to talk to you all. I mean, obviously I've
loved you guys since the Amazing Race and I it
will be fans in a doory offer life. But to
be friends with you guys on this level and to
hear how your mind works and how you guys maneuver
this world and all the different situations that you both
have been in, it's really inspiring. And I just I

(01:00:17):
feel like y'all are such a blessing to this world
and I am so appreciate. I'm so lucky to know y'all,
and I just find I find it so um amazing
that you guys are using your lives and shining in
the way that you are truly helping so many people
just by being the lights that you are. And that's
really awesome. Thank you. Appreciate you know, we we don't

(01:00:40):
get to speak to you enough. I mean it all
goes back to self self improvement. I mean we have to, uh,
I mean for myself. Once I retired, I begin to
read more. You know, I just finished reading Purpose Driven Life.
I'm listening to the Four Agreements. I'm halfway through The Alchemist,
which I just got the other days. So it's just
given me a different aspect and I just suffer and think. Man,
I had all those times on the bus when I
really didn't read, and so much time that I wasted,

(01:01:03):
But I guess it wasn't wasting. I was taking in
and gathering things that they as they come. But now
I get to actually reflect and figure out, you know
now that I'm actually living because I'm living for others
and not for myself. I love that. So I have
like a couple more questions and I'll wrap up because
obviously you'll have other things to do when your life
besides talk to me, although I've loved this conversation so

(01:01:23):
much all day, what are What is a moment that
has marked time in your life where when you think
about it, it is one of just a perfect moment.
It was a moment that just was perfect and it
made you feel everything you wanted to feel. What was
that moment um? For me, it goes back to I
think maybe my first ship with the Globe Triers losing Sacramento.

(01:01:47):
Who was doing and make a wid the event with
the Make a Witch Foundation at the Sacramento Kings Arena
and um a kid. I walked up to him. His
name was Michael, and me didn't say much, but me
and him went by on the side by herself and
we shot hoops. We shot hoops, we shot hoop, we
shot hoops and at the end he said thank you
when he walked off. And then next day we was

(01:02:08):
flying out and his mother walked up to me in
the airport and she was like, uh, you know, that's
my son and you know he been diagnosed with this
and that was his first time saying a word in
eight months. He hadn't he was he was for eight months.
He hadn't say the word. And and it's crazy now
I think he's like eighteen nineteen. We still keep in touch.

(01:02:31):
He built his first computer at fourteen, and and met him.
We tax, we talked, and that moment right there let
me know that, Um, it's it's bigger than anything you
can do accomplished for yourself. Life is about what you're
gonna do for others. And no matter what I do,
that matter what I've done, and then and when I'm

(01:02:51):
when I'm gone, Um, nothing else mattered, not the money,
not the homes, at the cars, is the what is
what I've done of people? So when I leave, I
don't want them to say, man, he did this, he
made this, he did this. I want them to tell
stories about the time that they spent with me, about
the time that I changed their life, and that that
right there with Michael um And and Sacramento is with

(01:03:15):
me forever, because that when I realized how special the
Globe Trials were and how how special you know, I
am as a person to where all I did was
got to pick up the ball and shot with this kid.
And and he you know, he hadn't spoken a word.
And in eight months and now we text all the time,
and he's building, and he's working out and all these things,

(01:03:37):
and um that that was an awesome moment. And that's
something that you know, I'll never forget and and and
try to um recreate um naturally and organically. You know,
any time I go anywhere and talk to anyone, I
understand that they can walk away with a good experience,

(01:03:58):
bad experience. And I want all this prayers to anybody
have with me to always be good. And I think
that's what I want to leave when I leave. That's
when I leave here. Like no matter what anytime Carolina
think about when she talked to Natan flight time, she
canna always smile and be like, you know what, I
don't care what you say, what you think, you've been through,
what you've seen. I know that there was They're good

(01:04:18):
people and and and that's what's about that's my prayers. Man,
that's awesome, that's awesome. What about you? I'd probably say
the birth of my kids and probably actually being there
for the birth of my daughter. Just then the whole,
the entire thing happened in realizing that I have bought
a new life into the world, and my responsibilities were

(01:04:38):
different and again. I mean it all goes back to,
you know, dreaming as a kid of being a father someday,
you know, some of the same advices I'm giving you know,
my son right now at this point. And you know,
it's just really a blessing to be able to see
them and know that you're living for a you know,
for a different purpose. And you know, my purpose in
the conversation that I have with them is all always

(01:05:00):
to ask questions. You know, I'm not always right. Your
mothers always, you know, not always right. You get to
ask questions. I get to learn, you know, from your experiences.
But at the end of the day, you know, putting
a life into this world is a great responsibility. And
for me, that was the most memorable, i opening thing
that happened in my life. And I'm just excited that
even in my forties, you know, I've had a great

(01:05:20):
twenty years before, but I get to show that my
kids becau I'm still dreaming and still creating into my forties,
something that us older people tend to forget sometimes we
tend to go back and try to live vicariously through
our kids and telling what we used to be able
to do, what we could do, but we actually need
to show them what we're doing now, you know, take
responsibility for what we're doing now, and stop putting so
much pressure on them to live, you know, to be

(01:05:43):
what we were not because we still can't become what
we want to be. Love that. I love that. You
guys are amazing. Y'all are so amazing. I feel so
thankful to have this bond with the offer ever from
the amazing race that was truly such a special time
of life and such a magical memory. Um. I wrap
every podcast up with leave your Light? What do you mean?

(01:06:05):
Y'all dropped so much wisdom. But what I want people
to know go ahead. I want people to know that
kindness is free. Contness is free. It doesn't cost you
a dime. I'm a kindness billionaire. I have more kindness
in the world than anybody, I feel, and if we
can all get on that level, we can all be
kind as billionaires and realize that if we give kindness

(01:06:26):
away with abundance, as we should, will never run out
of it because there's plenty of it. It doesn't cost
you a dime. So give it away a random act
of kindness today hash tag kindness is free. And let's
make this world a better place because we all get
to make it a better place. I love that. UM,
that's awesome, that's real cool. UM. I just want everybody

(01:06:46):
know that. UM. No matter what's going on now, it's
going to get greater later. Um. Whatever you have going
on in your life, don't make an excuse, you know,
make a change, you know, try try to try to
be better that. Don't just sit down and be still
and think like, Okay, it's over, you know. Try try
to do something harder, work hard, be good. You know. Um,

(01:07:09):
I'm on Instagram now, check me out on Instagram now
trying to get him on Instagram forever. What's your handle?
I started following you right away when her everybody follow
What is your whatever? Buf of y'all's handles on Instagram?
I forgot my actually forgot my mind? Is Nate men?
I just got it a week ago. Uh let me

(01:07:32):
tell you, Let me tell you real estate date or something.
I'll tell you. D A Trotter for the number four
at d A Trotter. Nate has the longest Instagram handled
anyone in the history of the world. It is at
Nate dot Big Easy dot lofton l O F T
O and underscore score. Really her, I mean a big one.

(01:07:54):
That's a long one there like times is at Dad
Trotter d A t R O T t E R four. Yeah,
come tim Via Colorado. You need a house. Uh you
know I'm a real intiant to training kids. I might
start selling Dumbo to whatever y'all need. We can do it.
Come on, how let your board motivation speaking. You can

(01:08:18):
hire me, or you can hire me and Nate together.
You can get two for one. We're doing everything. Hey,
Carolina gig shout out to amazing race season third two
coming up right now. We have to show this love
because if we're not, then we wouldn't be talking as
well as the whole pro Globe Trotter. You know they're
not right now, but I know they're getting ready to
try to crank things back up. And as soon as
they get back uh you know, as soon as they

(01:08:40):
get the okay, So we have to give a shout
to the people who are part of the reason why
we're here. That's right. Yeah, get your get your big
easy jersey any other Globe trial jersey for Halloween. Um,
you can't look this good, but you could come close.
They can put some makeup on you and make you
look like that. You'll scare a lot of You're starting

(01:09:01):
a whole another thing. It's a different thing. Get the
people what they want this Caroline. You tell Bobby Bones though, Man,
my wife, you know she's a big fan. As I said,
she is a psychologist and on her drop to cool
she worked ten hour ships for a week and her
job to work. I'm sorry to the hospital. She always

(01:09:23):
you know, that's what she says, shes she loved Bobby Bones.
That gets happy and she gets too smile before she
walk in and do what you do. So you make
sure you weren't on the call because her is gonna
be on the show with me. Yeah, I know he
was texting about that. Dude, hold on, we're talking to
Bobby Bones now. I think that when I looked at

(01:09:47):
when her for me the email for the link y'all
missed the t in my name for the email. The
email was on the wrong so I didn't get the
email I saw in the one heard for me. But
it's all good. I could get on there with him
another time. Tell pick me up, happy white, happy life.
I'll that's so true. I let him know that um,
if he ever wants to talk to you, the most

(01:10:08):
famous globetrotters already you're right here. Hello, Hello, you got
the best looking one ever? Well you know who that is.
You got me on that. Oh you guys. I love
y'all so much. I really feel blessed to have y'all
as friends forever friends when we when you have a

(01:10:28):
moment like amazing race that like makes you friends for
a lifetime and fire you both. I respect you both,
and I am grateful to know y'all and follow your journeys.
And thank you so much for coming on my podcast
and dropping all of this wisdom. Oh my gosh, thanks
for having if. We appreciate you know that. Shout out
to you and your family and Poe Fall as well. Yea,

(01:10:50):
thank you. Let's try to get a reunion one day.
I'm not gonna say, like, let's do it, let's do it.
We should. I'm with it, let's do it. I would
love it. I'm okay, love you guys. You'll have a
break today. EMM