Part TWO of my episode where I get real with Tori Hein! She is such a SPARK of pure inspiration! In this episode, we talk all about:
• Finding balance and alignment amongst our mind, body, and spirit
• How everything has a spiritual reality that is attached to our natural everyday choices
• The struggles we face with body image and seeking validation from society versus anchoring our worth in how God sees us
• The different ways in which God reveals himself to us
• Discovering and leaning into our spiritual gifts and core values while simultaneously admitting our own needs and desires
Tori’s extensive wisdom coupled with her life knowledge made our conversation incredibly inspiring. It was such an honor to sit down with her, hear her story, and get a glimpse into her soul. I can’t wait for you to listen to the rest of our conversation!
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Carala, she's queen, she's getting not afraid of thing. Just
let no one can Caral is one of your guests.
Is not knowledge? Is that what you said? Wisdom and knowledge,
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prophecy and leadership would be my top four. So you've
studied the Bible because you agree studies which and that
is such a resource that you have and you studied
it and it also you've studied your heart within the Bible.
So it's not like you have let me quote this
to you and tell you what this is. I feel
like some of us get so turned off from church,
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me being number one person to get turned off from
church because I'm like, you're just telling me something and
a rule, but there's no real especially if you're coming
to church with this same cycle of great another place
wherepped to measure up, improve mysel and I just gotta
do it. I just gotta figure out how to do
this because I gotta be I gotta do it right
and I've got to be accepted. So let me just
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follow the rules that the church is telling me so
I can be accepted and then I'll go to God
because all I gotta do is just follow these rules.
But it's not resonating with me. I don't feel connected,
I don't feel in line, but they all told me
I had to do this, and these are the people
I'm looking up to, and they're the ones holding the
key to the gates, so I gotta follow, follow the orders.
That's the classic message of religion. And that's where I
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kind of like straight away from religion for a long
time because I was like, I I just don't I
didn't have the strength, the personal strength because I didn't
have the worth to like understand why I felt this way.
So I just sort of left for a while. And
I always had a relationship with God, but like I was, like,
religion is really not for me. Yeah, there's a difference.
It's like I always joked that I feel like I
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him out of the womb, like I was probably like
worshiping in the womb um and came. I think my
first day in church was like on day seven of
my life. You know, like my dad's always worked in
church and my mom and you know, my mom is
a teacher, and um, early on in my life there
was this this unshakable like I always believed that God existed,
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but he didn't Jesus didn't become my savior until I
was seven, when I like consciously understood the gospel message
and you know, got baptized and accepted him into my heart.
But he didn't become my Lord until I broke up
with that boyfriend who gave me the list after four years. Um,
it wasn't until I was like nearing that eighteen year
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old mark where the reality of like, wait, way that
I'm living and what I know that I believe is
not the same. These things are not in alignment. There's
something off. And the character that I know of you,
you're good. When I read your word, I see you've
created me intentionally, You've breathed purpose and joy, and you
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delight in me. But what I'm caring is this pressure
of performance in church, or pressure to perform for this
boyfriend or measure up to this standard or that standard.
And when Jesus became my Lord, it's not this like
oh my gosh, you know now it's just like a
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bow before the and everything just you know, like we
were We have all of these these words, even the
word Lord comes with the whole framework of our our lives,
are experience, our worldview that can shape even the way
that you hear that word in a tone. But for me,
when I hear the word Lord, it's this like, it's
like when you fall in love with someone who just
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loves you and wants the best for you, and it's
so easy to submit underneath that person because a delight
in you and you delight in them, and it's the
it's easy to say yes and I trust you and
I love you. For certain people, it takes a journey
of healing to be able to see God for who
he is rather than what other people have perceived him
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to be or trade to be. Yeah, but when you
know him and this is the This is something that
I have to ask, especially here in Nashville, is you
never ask people like, so, do you believe in God?
You know? I was like, yeah, like live in Brentwood.
We got like I remember the first time that I
came here. Yeah, I'm living. I grew up in northern Nevada,
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where in Nevada prostitutions legal and gamblings legal. And what
does that like to live without all being legal? Oh? Yeah,
it's crazy. I mean we have one of the highest
team suicide rates and teen pregnancy rates and everything in
the area where I was and the church to population
of people ratio was very low. Um so when I
came here and there's a church on every single church
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is not a big thing in Nevada, no data. I mean,
if you're from Nevada, you say Nevada, but everywhere else
says Nevada. I think it's actually phonetically correct to say Nevada,
but like Nevada whatever I received either one. I came
here and I thought, oh wow, this is so interesting.
I think it's what's drawing a lot of people to
this area now, is that they're they're like desiring this
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hope as an anchor of something that's a core value,
that's meaningful, that's built into the framework of society. You
see people moving here every second, you know, from all
over the country. But for me, I remember looking at
it and thinking this is so strange, because I don't
know if they actually realize the reality of what it
means to have an encounter with God that changes you,
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that moves it from relationship or routine or ritual into
a deep rooted intimate relationship with a God who loves them,
not just rule, not just regulation, but intimacy. Do you
feel like you have to go through something painful to
get there, because I feel like a lot of times
to get to that place, something kind of has to
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like fall apart. For me, at least it has. It
might be for certain people and for others. I think
it actually just depends on your framework. You know, if
you need mercy, God will meet you with mercy. If
you need knowledge, He'll meet you with knowledge. Like you know,
it's He's going to reveal the truth of who he
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is to you in the way that you can receive it.
It's just the goodness of God. He created you. He
knows what you need. So if your life has been
marked by pain and shame and you're needing and tending,
then it will probably come through healing and care and kindness.
Actually says in the Bible that it's the kindness of
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God that leads us to repentance. So how that kindness
shows up for one friend? It might be you know
this logical understanding. For another friend, it might be this
emotional care. For another it might be you know the
presence of a person who loved them or But no
matter what he will and can reveal himself, he's doing
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it to you in your life right now. He dies,
he does it for me every day. He's doing it
in the stick in the pot, with the you know,
with the leaves at the top. He's if our eyes
are open for him, he's faithful to reveal himself. And
when he enters the story, then worth is anchored and
established in him. So when my body changes, and when
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my finances change, and when my business changes and all
these other things, there's this place that I can come
back to that is a sure foundation that cannot be rocked.
There is a moment when I had my daughter. I
was shortly after I had my daughter, she's five now,
and um my business had this season where like the
bottom just kind of like fell out from underneath it,
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and I was kind of scrambling, like, oh my gosh,
how are we going to pay our bills? And of course,
at the same time, exactly away always ends up happening.
And a friend from college that I had not talked
to you for a very long time was like, hey,
I listened to this podcast and I gotta send it
to you. Which it's funny, guys always brought podcasts, which
is the reason why I'm like, I gotta start a podcast,
because maybe somebody will send a podcast you, you know,
like this, This was a like life all trained moment
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for me. I've never talked to this woman. I don't
know this woman. I don't even remember her name. I
just remember what she said, which is just another validation
for you that the work you're doing matters. But all
on in my kitchen, I'm cooking, and it's this woman
who had built her entire life on communicating. She was
an author and speaker and she got tongue cancer. Tongue
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cancer of all things, right, her whole life has been
built on her ability to communicate and speak. When you're
listening to her on this podcast, she it's hard to
understand her because she's had to relearn how to communicate
without a tongue. She doesn't have a tongue, No, she
had to have it removed because of the cancer. And
she the the platform of suffering always ends up giving
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you like you want to sit on the edge of
your seat, like, what's this girl got to say? Like
she could say anything, and I'm I'm listening a little
bit more intently because of the suffering that she's endured.
And what she said was so profound. She said, if
you can lose it, then it's not who you are.
And I was like, oh my gosh, right, it's like
it's the you can lose it, then it's not who
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you are. If you can lose it, it's not who
you are. Think of anything, Well, we can lose everything
except God. Yeah, and the soul that He has given us,
given us our own blueprint. Yeah, it's what I will
exit this life and in turn into the next life with,
is the soul that God and I have grown together.
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It's what he and it's what I'll bring with me.
The house, it'll stay my family, it'll stay my business,
it'll stay my ability, might impact my legacy here on earth,
that'll stay here. What I carry with me. And I
think about this all the time, even in my struggles
of treating my body like a project. You know, no
one's going to look over my grave and be like
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Tory had such an amazing six pack. Like if they do,
I'd be like like open my eyes to be like, dude, like, really,
that's like the only thing, you know why I'm spending
hours of my time obsessing and focused on my six
pack ups when my body is going to someday be
put into the ground and dk that's weird to think about,
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But there's this um. There's a proverb that says, teach
me to number my days that I can gain a
heart of wisdom. My life is about a breath. I'm
here for a moment and it's gone. It's like fog
on on glass. So in the short bit of life
that I have here on this earth, what does it
look like to live for eternity where I'm not just
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bound by the eighty years that I have on this earth.
And what I could somehow strive myself to create, you know,
and hold onto as a sense of security, only to
be put into the ground and decay and leave it
all behind me. It's the question that Solomon asks in
all of the Book of Ecclesiastics. Who's like, I've had
all the wealth and all of the prestige and all
the women, and all the riches and all this, And
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He's like, it's vanity. It's vanity. It's the reason why
you see these rock stars committing suicide, or like, it's
still it's still not it. It's still not this worthiness.
But if I can lose it, it's not who I am,
which means that there is an identity and a purpose
and a worth that is anchored and the God that
goes with me now and for all of eternity that
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will come. What will be with me on my last
moment of breath and as I exit this world and
turn into the next, he will be with me. So
what does it look like to live a life not
near God, not around God, but with him now that
He is a source of loving wisdom that will tend
to every place of brokenness in our story, so that
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we can live in that eternal reality now in the
most practical ways, you know, in the asking of forgiveness,
in the stopping my sixty five hard challenge and picking
up my bowl of ice cream and snuggling with my husband.
And why did you know you had to stop? I
just knew that I needed to stop because if I finished,
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then I would still be agreeing with the belief that
I can prove my worth by what I do. And
I stopped because day sixty five was enough. I can
do hard things, thank you guy. But I can't do
the hardest thing, which is secure my worthiness. That's a
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job that only God can do for me. So my
this was just me and my story for this particular
circumstance was day sixty five was agreeing with that truth
and saying, all right, I'm gonna lay this down. Then
I'm gonna trust you that the next ten days will
be finishing this challenge. Doesn't give me any greater sense
of worth or not, I'm gonna actually enter into it
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right now on day sixty Yeah. It's funny because ever
since then, though, I've still wanted to go back, like like,
you know, like I wasn't as ripped as I was
on day sixty five, you know, like I need to
go this and that, and I'm like, no, actually, and
it's just this realignment. It's just back to obedience. My
body is good. God is good, He's faithful, He's with me.
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And I'm so grateful I have this amazing body that's
alive and breathing, and I can walk around and I
can do hard things with it, and I'm sitting here
talking to you with it, you know, like these are
this is the most important thing about me that I
bring to the room. Isn't my abs or how chiseled
my you know, my body looks. The thing that I
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bring to the room that no one else has is
the soul that God and I are nurturing and growing
together and anything that can keep me from restraining that
to be present in the room. The better you know,
doesn't mean I for sake like you health and stuff,
Like I still move my body, I still eat nourishing food.
But it's the striving that needs to cease. It's the
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stress and the insecurity that has to be addressed, laid
down and surrendered before God to pick up freedom and
love and forgiveness and mercies so that I can offer
that to other people. It's so interesting. Everyone's so story
because I'm sitting here thinking about like body image and
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things like that and how that affects so much, and
like I'm thinking about my story and what I have
I've been telling myself and big one is I'm not
worth it a second choice, Like I don't have anything
to offer. So then I'm also like I also have
this other part of me where I need everyone to
like me, and I don't want anyone to feel bad
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about themselves being around me because I need you to
like me. So like I also chase validation when I
was younger from like beauty and having a perfect body
and all those things. I took lots of diet pills,
like just believe it for a little while, like did
a lot of things to get this perfect image, but
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then it like cycled into a new place where it's like,
now if I actually, if I feel like I am
two physically like um together, like have too much going
on physically, then I actually feel very very very shameful
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because I don't want anyone else to feel bad about
themselves if I actually have too much going on. And
that was a big reason why I like cut off
my long blond hair because I didn't want to draw
attention in beauty because I'm like, I don't want anyone
to look at me and feel bad about and they're not.
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This is my own lie, Like I don't want you
to because it goes back to you didn't do anything
to deserve this. You shouldn't have beauty, you shouldn't have
recognition for it. You shouldn't be praised for this, So
make it smaller or figure out how to do it different.
I just like I wasn't comfortable having that attention, and
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I finally I hit this breaking point. I woke up
when I was like, I have to cut down my hair,
Like I had to do it. That day, I cut
it all off and dyed it within one day, and
I've had long one hair in my entire life. Do
you feel after amazing? Really? Yes, amazing because I feel
like now I'm just gonna let it. I'm gonna just
let it be what it wants to be without doing
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anything to it. And then I can own that beauty
because I'm not trying to put something on me to
be beautiful. It can just be naturally instead of me
trying to chase it and get it to be it
so people will see it. It's like, I just want
to be what it is. Yeah, it's it's such a
mind all the time. I don't know if you do.
I don't want to ruin your content with somebody could
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somebody could? Though, do all do anything, whether it's in
some person's framework or perspective morally right or wrong. But
if the motive is still to prove yourself or earn
worth or this like selfish ambition. There's a verse in
James that says, where selfish ambition exists, there will follow
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every evil and every every evil practice, and all discord.
And so I know that. I'm like there's certain season
or there's certain things that I know that I'll never
do in relation to this topic of like, well, like
I probably wouldn't choose to have plastic surgery mainly just
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because it doesn't matter if somebody else wants to do
it for whatever reason. I know that my intrinsic motivation
would be to try to improve or better my body
to earn more love and belonging or or beauty from others.
I'm like, I actually don't need that from anybody else.
I probably won't ever engaging that, you know, And I'm like,
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that's there's to to decide and own. But there is
this beauty of like when you step into like a
moment of freedom, whether it's I'm cutting my hair off
and I'm dying it because I'm keeping it blond in
order to gain attention and love and whatever from me.
That was just me because I love blonde hair and
I think some people look great with it. Go back,
you can go back, Yeah, And for this moment I
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needed to do that for myself. Is that those these
are these moments where the Holy Spirit can just be
prodding a little moment of like would you just release
this so that then later on, when there's bigger things,
we have a higher tolerance of surrender and an ability
to experience even deeper levels of freedom. And it's so
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good because it keeps us a little uncomfortable, and it
keeps us always checking and considering what's a motive for
this action? And it could just be like, man, a
big deal. I'm just gonna like dye my hair, cut
it or change it up. Or it could be like, actually,
this is like something deeper. It's happening inside of me.
Then I need to be really aware of It's good
because when you have that intuition, then all of life
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holds some sort of it's a bridge between the natural
and the spiritual where it's not just like everything is
just natural and doesn't matter and my body doesn't matter,
and this and that there's a bridge between the natural
and the spiritual where they all intersect on earth as
it is in heaven. Your kingdom, Come, you will be done.
So Jesus is saint. He's like, it's all spiritual. It
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all has a spiritual reality attached to the natural choices
in our every day. I have to get in tune
with doing it for the right spiritual reason. Yeah. So
it's like it doesn't matter if you have a so
called perfect abs or perfect body or whatever I or
if I wanted to have long blonde hair or whatever.
If it is for a reason, that is like what
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would that be? And the flip side could even be,
you know, run overweight or something, and it's like God's
not worthy and he won't he won't talk to me
or an counter me or use me for anything because
I'm overweight. It could be the total opposite, and I'm like,
they're shame on both sides. Every side, there's shame on
both sides. If you let it all go and you're
just gonna like give glory to like being who you
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want to be because you're not going to worry about vanity,
then there's gonna be shame there, probably or not. But
if you try too hard and you try to keep
up and you try to do all these things to
your body to be a certain way to be approved,
and there's shame there because you're not doing so, It's like,
how do we get to a place because body is
a huge issue for everyone, how do we get to
this place where we feel like we're living, we can
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be proud of the body that we are presenting to
God because we know we are walking the spiritual walk
with him, because I feel like that's a really hard
place to get and I hate to bring it back
to body image, but it's a here thing. I think
it just comes back to the same thing that we're
talking before. It's if the worth and your identity is
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anchored and who God says that you are right now,
whether I have a hundred pounds to lose, or I
need to stop over over exerting my energy in the gym,
or I need to break my break believe me over myself,
or I need to restrain from eating that extra two
meals after eight p m. Still, the motive for both
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of these things is a grasping for security, a grasping
for pleasure, a grasping for purpose, a grasping for comfort
for the needs of our heart. And that can be
going to overstriving or apathy or whatever the outcome is.
But when for every human being this is just like
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the glory of God. Is that when it all comes
back to God and his ability, God and his worthiness,
his love, his acceptance, his forgiveness, his purpose. Then when
we realign there, it realigns everything we're created in the
image of God, just like God is three and one.
We are three in one mind, body, spirit. So when
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we come into alignment with how we were designed all
of them, it all realignsbody and you cannot ignore any
of them. They're all a necessary element to our design
as image bearers have God. So we have to tend
to all of them, but we have to get exactly
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repeating what you say, we have to get an alignment
with all of them. And that is how that is
why you created this course. Was because you have felt
what it feels like. You have always felt God's presence,
but you have felt what it feels like to be
chasing something that is not in alignment, and you had
enough wisdom and knowing nous that there is a bigger
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meaning behind all this and there is a bigger purpose
to our existence here that you created this course for
that purpose. Yeah, it's just the like the people like
with the question that you're asking of just like so
like we always want to go to what do I do?
You know? So like what now what do I do?
And I love I'm a practical person at heart, Like
I want to offer the practicality and the steps of
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bridging the gap between the spiritual and natural for ambitious
women of faith because I've been I think, given a
gift by God that I encountered him early in my life,
and I'm able to usher people into His presence, Like
it's not about me having the right answers for you
or you finding it for yourself. God has it for you,
Like let's go discover it together. Um, that's the desire
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for this and um, I I think it's a great
starting point. It's not the ending point. It's like guide
posts towards a life that's lived in the presence of God.
He's like the best mentor if we're willing to listen,
you know, like Jesus goes give them ears to hear,
you know, give them ears to hear in mind to know.
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Like that's what i want. I just want ears to hear.
And this work from Worth course establishes a couple of
key things like yeah, let's go through the outline. Sure,
So what are you going to be? What is the
process of this course that people will take away because
it's really powerful. So there's six steps. The first is
just what we've been talking about, the workmanship piece of
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what it means that you are created by God with
His image and how working is actually an essential element
to your design and we all needs. Yeah, the warning
signs that show us that things are out of alignment,
which we've been talking a lot about all this conversation,
which is um right here, miss yeah, yeah, Okay, So
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there are some warning signs, like which one's stood out
to you? Warning science? So warning science. So this is
when you're working for worth and when you're working from worth. Okay,
let's see. I feel like mine would be you blame
yourself for for other people's unmet expectations, emotions and failures.
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I feel I feel like that would probably be the
main thing, because mine would be I am blaming myself
for everyone else's happiness because I feel like that is
what I have to give people. I need to give
people happiness so they will love me. Yeah, and what's
the what would the evidence of working from a place where? Right?
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And that's look like it's right on the other side. Oh,
it's the same one you made that. So you empathize
with people's expectations, emotions and failures, but they don't define you.
I mean really, out of all of mine, I feel
like I don't have a I can narrow it. That's
what's so nice about this is you have so many
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that's it's it for me, like because like some of
them are like your resentful of others and their lack
of concern for your needs. I don't feel that your
experience physical stress and your body skin breaking out, lack
of sleep, stomach aches, hormone a balance, adrenaline, fatigue, irritation.
I mean I do actually feel that I don't sleep
well in my stomach always has anxiety. Maybe that's smart.
So you feel stress, and the the working for worth
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would be you feel stress and approach the feeling with
curiosity and care both physically and mentally. Okay, so that
would be one. That one and that the other one
you stop, and then here's another one. You stop prioritizing
basic human needs like eating, sleeping, bathing, sex, hydration, and movement.
I don't feel that one because I do feel like
I have I have done that before. These are actually
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milestones and pillars of like, Oh I used to do that.
I don't do that anymore. I don't. Yes, it's a
little leaf on your stick. It is a leaf because
I do not prioritize my basic needs. Yeah, it's good
and like bringing yoga back into my life, like I
had stopped doing that for three years, and I have
now it is a priority in my life. It's good.
I feel overwhelmed and out of control of your schedule.
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I feel I now that Ali my incredible interns here,
she's helped me get on a schedule. I used to
feel that way. I still feel overwhelmed with finances. You
take ownership of your time. So yeah, it's amazing, Like
it's awesome to see this like written down, you know,
because you a little bit more of a structure and
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place to work off of. And I want to go
through Another key part of this that I think is
really amazing because how many spiritual gifts are there? Well,
there's a lot of different you know, ideas of how many,
but I put sixteen in the course that offer a
little bit more practical implication in your everyday life. So
what Tori does, which I think is amazing, is she
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lists these spiritual gifts sixteen and they and you tell
everyone to pick four. You're top four, and it's very
hard to pick top four. But here's here's the gift.
She lifts administration and I'm not going to read all
the definitions, but administration missions discernment evangelism. How do you
say that word? Exhortation, exhortation, faith giving, hospitality, knowledge, leadership, mercy, prophecy, shepherding, service, helps, teaching, wisdom,
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and then you go through and you figure out where
you where's your top four? So I feel like my
top four were Discernment. These individuals help people recognize the
true intentions of others. Discernment test the message and actions
of others for the protection and well being of the church, community, family,
and workplace. Because like to me, I'm taking this as
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I can truly get to the heart of someone and
I can truly see the true picture. No, I don't
whatever your your representative is, I can get to the
core of it, and I want to because I want
to see your truth because I know you're a beautiful
soul in there, and like I know everyone is, So
I feel like I'm gifted there. Yes you are Exhortation.
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People with this gift are good at encouraging others and
help motivate them to work within their gifting. And they
can clearly communicate God's word and help people apply it
to action. I feel like I'm really good at that
for other people. Really, maybe not always for myself, but
for other people, I'm like, you're so good at this,
I see you do this. The biggest trap for the
people with the gift of exhortation is they don't know
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how to admit their own need and receive what they
give out to others in return. Maybe we don't know
what it is that we need. Then you have to
be willing to actually because when you're an exhorter, when
you're encouraging everyone else, it's easy to fall into the
trap of pride, believing that you have to have the
answer and encouragement for everyone else, so you're not allowed
to have need encouragement or ask for it yourself. So
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it's when you're leading in exhortation and humility rather than
in pride. Then it keeps you in the place where
you do need to receive it from other people. You
do need to hear the same good things you still
need to You still need to receive from another person
who has the gift of exhortation on your behalf. So
it's finding people that can nurture you as well. Right,
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it's surrounding yourself with the other people in your life
who have the spiritual gifts that you need. And then
not being mad at people in your life. You' don't
have those spiritual gifts you can't give them, but instead,
let's God. You can do this so layered. Then you
can try to really see the people close to their
gifts and honor their gifts exactly help them. Because this
is all pulled from scripture where Paul is basically saying
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in First Corinthians, like the church is a body. Does
your arms say to the splain I don't need you. Yeah,
I'm doing way more than your bill. Say to your
mouth like I'm more important than you, you know? Does
your heart say to this body, No, if there's any
part of our body that's damaged or hurt or broken,
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we feel it. Even if it works less frequently, it's
still just as valuable. It's such as necessary because we're
all one unified body. So when you know what your
top four giftings are, you can come into a room
and when someone has four gifts that are totally different
from you, instead of trying to measure up and prove
yourself or try to work out a weakness to try
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to prove to them like you're like them, you actually
boldly hard out a week to say that again. So like,
for example, with your sister, you said she had all
these gifts that I wasn't really good at. Maybe she
has the gift of administration because she's detail orient very
good at you know. She might have the gift of knowledge,
she's able to study in entertain leadership, leadership. She might
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have a gift of service and helps. So she has
four different gifts than you that are very like you
see them, and in a broken framework, you come in
and you see those gifts, You're like, I should have
those gifts. It would be like the eyeballs being like
I should do what this plain does. Instead, it's the
note I can confidently come into the room and go,
I have the gift of exhortation. She needs that. But
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what if you feel so, I guess you need to
do this work with the people you love the most too,
because what if they feel let down by you because
you don't have their gifts and they don't They're not
able to see your gifts because their gifts are so
different and we're on our own path. So like, what
if it makes it's releasing their story and their perception
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to their own journey. The thing is is that if
you come in trying to fix them or help them
realize something. You're going to end up feeling trapped by
needing to prove something and make everything worse for everybody.
But instead, if you confidently know what God has gifted
you to do and what your strengths are, then you
hone in on those and you go, you know, I'm
really sorry that I'm not very administrative or like detail
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oriented when it comes to this and that, but I
know I hold an essential role in encouraging you and
offering you mercy and perspective. I can confidently offer that
to you, and I'm really sorry that I fell short
on the administration piece. And then you don't have to
be like because I feel like sometimes people will be like, well,
that's a cop out. You just don't want to do that,
you're lazy. But it's like, that's not true. It's not true. Yeah,
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that's not true. That's not true. It's not a cop out.
It's actually I'm not good at that. I don't like it.
I don't enjoy it. I don't I value I do
value it immensely. And I maybe seasons where you're called
to do something that you don't really like for a season,
and that's totally fine, but it's knowing like the best
thing that I bring to a room are these focused
on those instead of feeling like you have to chase
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someone else's gifts, instead of growing a weakness or trying
to be someone that you're not. Yes, exactly, this is
why everyone needs to do this, Because then I realized,
like hospitality. I love hospitality. The gift with hospitality ability
to make visitors, guests, and strangers feel at ease. The
oftens are home to entertain guest persons with this gift
integrate new members into the body. I love to make
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everybody feel welcome. I want everyone to feel seen. I
want everyone to feel valued. I want everyone to know
that you are so important and welcome here and that
your story is so valuable, and whatever is happening, I
want you to feel so loved and just for being
you and you don't have to show me anything or
proving anything. And then the other one I feel like
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is mercy. And maybe it's because I feel like I
need mercy because I feel like I've always not been
good enough that people need to give me mercy in
my shortcomings. Ye that cheerful acts of compassion characterized. Those
are the gifts of mercy. They foster an environment of empathy, unity,
and compassion by helping people see the needs of others.
So what if all my gifts, though, are sprung from
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my story that I told myself and they're overcompensating for
like what I because like mercy, that's me wanting to
show others what I needed. So like what if it
is that a true gift or is that an over
compensation for how I felt? Depends on never get to
the bottom of anything. It depends on the motivation. But
remember when I said that free people free people, that
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the freedom and your story is now turning into a
gift that you offer others. So you're entering into a
place of mercy. You're learning how to receive mercy. And
when you've received mercy as a gift, and you're giving
it away to someone else, not not for the sake
of you getting something in return, but out of an
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abundance of gratitude or the worth it's established by God
that's on wavering, then you can offer that to someone
else without your worth being on the line. And I
don't think anybody does this perfectly. It's the reason why
it's like this daily call to repentance and like realign
me God, like bring me back into the right place.
But um free when you walk in freedom and the
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story that you carry, which is unique to you, your
life experience, the hurt done, the healing that's been done
by God, the freedom that you're walking in that turns
into the gift and the freedom that you offer other people.
It's what you and your life hold authority over so
that you can come to someone else who is maybe
ten steps behind you and going I've journeyed the road
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that you've been on. Let me offer you an shortation.
Let me offer you hospitality, a place to sit at
my table. Let me offer you mercy that someone else
sit and offer me that I'm willing to offer you.
It's power your story. It is maybe it I don't
know the words right over contensating, but it is a
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result of your story. But it also becomes a part
of you. And then you get to return the gifts
that you felt maybe that you didn't have, or story
work and you do a lot of that, Like there's
like your journal in here. Story got to do the
story work, um, which I mean, I don't know if
we can go through the entire like two hours, like
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you're gonna have to. Yeah, well we'll do two episodes
of this one because it's so good, but the other
thing will wrap with this the biblical values you have.
You go through all these values to there's a list
of sixty sixty values where you have to arrow it
down to your tough for it's sour, it's safety, health, trust, adventure, courage, creativity, respect, authenticity, love, family.
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You're reading that, listen, I'm like, all these should be
important to me, right, Like, how is one more important
than the other. And it's not that all of them
are not important, but when you get to your top four,
they help set the bound injuries around the way that
you use your gifting. So okay, so what are your
top four? Did you like have a couple? Here are
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my let me see, this is actually school that I
like to do because I'm like, oh, it's growth and
that is a whole other conversation about the way school
works and the trauma that school creates. But you know,
for another time, there's sixty. I didn't narrow it down
to sixty. You said you could do like twelve and
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then narrow to four. So there's steps to help you
narrow down to this. I know my values that I
value are safety, health, adventure. I mean there's more. I'll
just do the ones that highlighted safety, health, adventure, authenticity.
I didn't even pick love, which is crazy. I picked joy, unity, peace, diversity, excitement, curiosity, adventure,
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purpose in community. You circled a couple purpose in community,
purpose and community. What would be two more that you
would circle as in that list that purpose community? Can
I talk all important? But you're top four and want
to put unity in a community together as one right,
So it's easy to try to think that certain and
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it's actually a part of the course is grouping certain
values that relate to each other into different groups and
then going which one is the source and which one
is the result. So if you prioritize community, it may
result in unity. The community would be the one, the
big one, or it could be opposite. You'd have to
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decide this for yourself. If I'm prioritizing unity as a value,
then community naturally follows. Which one proceeds the other. It
doesn't mean that both of them are not important. It
just means that you you have to approach this with
curiosity in your own story to see which one is
more to be valued, just only please, because I want
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all of us to be supporting each other, accepting each other.
And then that's the community I want to build. Okay,
So I don't want just a community. I want to
unified community, unity and purpose. Okay, so unity, purpose, so
the community is out. Okay, it'd be communities out, purpose, unity, joy, joy. Yeah,
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I want every I want myself and everyone to experience joy,
So to be purpose unity joy. See that then, like
I want to put purpose in authenticity together, So which
one do you which one precedes the other? If you're
prioritizing purpose, does authenticity follow? Or when you're prioritizing a
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true authenticity that you discover purpose there? I think it
would be authenticity. God, this is interesting. I thought it
was purpose in community, but it's actually authenticity d because
I just want to be the stick to let the let.
So it would be authenticity, joy, unity. And I do
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want health and adventure, But do those follow your purpose
and authenticity? Like, if you're if you're prioritizing some of
these values, is adventure and health something that results from that?
Or is it authenticity? Yes? If I am authentic then
adventure and health and safe everything will follow. So it
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would be authenticity, joy, unity, safety. That was one of
your first ones, But now I'm thinking it might be freedom, freedom, freedom, authenticity, joy,
and unity. See when you identify your top four all
the rest of the things that results circling. I'm I
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am living a life of health, you know, or prioritizing
health in my body or whatever. When authenticity and unity,
who were your other ones? Freedom and enjoy? See, these
set the framework for how you use your gifts of
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exhortation and mercy and hospitality, because if you just offer
those gifts anywhere without knowing the core values that have
shaped your your life experience so far, then you end
up throwing your gifts before the wrong audience and then
they're not received and then people and that's what's happened
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to me. I think I just throw these gifts out
and then people actually don't really like you, like you're
kind of like not it's opposite of being well received,
kind of like who do you think you are? Their
whole core core value framework is different than you could
try to offer as many gifts as possible and you're trying,
you're trying to pe will please them, and they're being
people pleased like that's not what I want and actually
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what I need. You're you're you're repelling me, like I
actually can't stand you. But you know that when you
sit in the room with people whose gifts and values
aligne or they complement one another, how you offer a
gift and it's so well received and it's beautiful and
it brings life to the room. That's what it looks
like to live. And that's why you have to work
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in from your audience too. When you identify these things
for yourself, then it gives you clarity and perspective to
know when you walk into a room or thinking about
a job that you're going to sign up for, a
business that you're going to start, or a thing that
you're going to do, this is a line with the
way that God has designed me? Or am I trying
to be someone that someone else wants me to be?
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You know? And if you can't know unless you know
who God has created you to be. First, thank you
for doing this hard work and putting this into a course,
and for like sharing your wisdom and for this is
a lot of hard work. It's good. I even love
that we got to kind of do a little bit
of coaching to live on the podcast, You're like, Oh,
I know what my core values are, and that's another
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thing you offer is coaching, right, Yeah, we're hopefully going
to be opening up a group coaching element to that,
so you guys can tune in and ask about that
in the future for sure. Yeah, because it's important to
have these live conversations. It is, and it's important to
have them with people with knowledge like that is like
you are, and I feel like that is what I
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want to get to. My life is like, where do
I have something that I can offer true knowledge to
someone like you are doing for me. I feel like
I'm just whispy though, Like it's one of the elements
though to your gift of hospitality. Your gift of hospitality
is being used here, Your gift of mercy is being
used here, Your gift of exhortation is being used here.
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You're already living and working in your gifts. You don't
need to try to conjure anything else up where. You're
trying to offer me something more value bold than who
you are right now, who God has designed to you
to be here and now you don't need to prove anything.
There's nothing more than I need from you than all
that God has designed you to be here in this moment,
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you remain here and lean into these core values of
unity and authenticity and freedom and using these gifts that
God has designed to you with, it's blessing me here
right now. You already are offering me the best that
you can offer, because it's who God has made you
to be. Yeah. Oh, Ted talks and like speaking around
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the world. No, I just love you, but I am
here in this room and this is where I want
to be. YEA, thank you so much. I mean, now
I understand why people sign up with you and do
all this because this is hard work and you need
a coach, and you need a coach who like has
your intentions behind it, because yours is truly to help
people get their gifts, get their core values, and live
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from those. So you don't ever feel like you're chasing people,
pleasing having to get the abs doing what it means,
like even feeling guilty for like whatever. It's just like
we got to get to this place, and it's hard,
hard work. It's such good work. It's such free work though,
but it's so we have to dig into stuff that
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we've boxed up and put on shelves, and we have
never like like I have not thought about the second
choice to avoid in third grade and ever maybe, but
it's always maybe in my ether, you know. And these
are the moments that when these moments of our story
are redeemed, that we can actually look back and see
they got it already, chosen you first, before the boy
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chose you second. That there's this freedom and redemption and
these moments in our brokenness in our past, that if
we look at it from a different perspective, from a
perspective of freedom, it illuminates this different perspective of our
story to see, oh, God was tending even there, He
was leading me forward even there. But sometimes it takes
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somebody else in the room to offer you a different
perspective to see it. These are important things, though important,
important moments in our life too. Two hold and to
be curious about without trying to shame ourselves into a
result or into a different way of feeling or thinking
about it too quickly, but to sit until lament the
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brokenness that's been done in our story, whether it's third
grade you or five year old you, or beyond that
to hold the hurt in someone else's story is such
an honor because it always leads to freedom, because it's
the kindness of God that leads us to repentance. It's
what makes us new. So you're amazing. Always wrap up
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with leave your light, which I don't even know how
you couldn't answer that because everything you say is leading light.
What do you want people to know? I want them
to know. I want them to know that they have
a purpose that is secured for them in eternity. That's
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what working from worth means is that when they've anchored
themselves in a purpose that cannot be losed, that cannot
be lost, a purpose that is founded in God's ability
and not their own, then that is when the immeasurably
more life will be able to be lived in and
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through them. And I want that for them. I want
freedom for them. This starts there. You're amazing, Corey. Okay,
where can anyone follow? You? Follow me at I am
Tory Maheian on Instagram? I M A E H E
I N. And these reels that you do, y'all just
want you need a little sunshine light in your life,
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but also a lesson or message I don't know what
the correct word. It is, like I could like sit
here and talk for two hours. Like Matt would be like,
oh my gosh, how could you talk for two hours straight?
I'm like, it's a gift, my gift, and he's like,
I can't do that. Um. Yeah. And we have a
podcast called for Eternity and Until, and the link is
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connected to my Instagram. It might be the probably easiest
way to find me on Instagram and everything. I can
send you all the websites to link in the captions
and stuff too. Okay, Tori, thank you so much. This
was so powerful and meaningful for me, and I know
people listening are receiving this as well. And I encourage
everyone to do this course because we all need to
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know why we are here and just get in tune
with that. Amen to that, I wun't have to chase
and feel last and all the feelings that we feel
have the authority from God. Amen. Tori, You're the best.
Thank you so much. This will be a two part episode. Okay,
this is amazing. Bye,
Carala, she's queen, she's getting not afraid of thing. Just
let no one can Caral is one of your guests.
Is not knowledge? Is that what you said? Wisdom and knowledge,
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prophecy and leadership would be my top four. So you've
studied the Bible because you agree studies which and that
is such a resource that you have and you studied
it and it also you've studied your heart within the Bible.
So it's not like you have let me quote this
to you and tell you what this is. I feel
like some of us get so turned off from church,
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me being number one person to get turned off from
church because I'm like, you're just telling me something and
a rule, but there's no real especially if you're coming
to church with this same cycle of great another place
wherepped to measure up, improve mysel and I just gotta
do it. I just gotta figure out how to do
this because I gotta be I gotta do it right
and I've got to be accepted. So let me just
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follow the rules that the church is telling me so
I can be accepted and then I'll go to God
because all I gotta do is just follow these rules.
But it's not resonating with me. I don't feel connected,
I don't feel in line, but they all told me
I had to do this, and these are the people
I'm looking up to, and they're the ones holding the
key to the gates, so I gotta follow, follow the orders.
That's the classic message of religion. And that's where I
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kind of like straight away from religion for a long
time because I was like, I I just don't I
didn't have the strength, the personal strength because I didn't
have the worth to like understand why I felt this way.
So I just sort of left for a while. And
I always had a relationship with God, but like I was, like,
religion is really not for me. Yeah, there's a difference.
It's like I always joked that I feel like I
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him out of the womb, like I was probably like
worshiping in the womb um and came. I think my
first day in church was like on day seven of
my life. You know, like my dad's always worked in
church and my mom and you know, my mom is
a teacher, and um, early on in my life there
was this this unshakable like I always believed that God existed,
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but he didn't Jesus didn't become my savior until I
was seven, when I like consciously understood the gospel message
and you know, got baptized and accepted him into my heart.
But he didn't become my Lord until I broke up
with that boyfriend who gave me the list after four years. Um,
it wasn't until I was like nearing that eighteen year
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old mark where the reality of like, wait, way that
I'm living and what I know that I believe is
not the same. These things are not in alignment. There's
something off. And the character that I know of you,
you're good. When I read your word, I see you've
created me intentionally, You've breathed purpose and joy, and you
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delight in me. But what I'm caring is this pressure
of performance in church, or pressure to perform for this
boyfriend or measure up to this standard or that standard.
And when Jesus became my Lord, it's not this like
oh my gosh, you know now it's just like a
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bow before the and everything just you know, like we
were We have all of these these words, even the
word Lord comes with the whole framework of our our lives,
are experience, our worldview that can shape even the way
that you hear that word in a tone. But for me,
when I hear the word Lord, it's this like, it's
like when you fall in love with someone who just
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loves you and wants the best for you, and it's
so easy to submit underneath that person because a delight
in you and you delight in them, and it's the
it's easy to say yes and I trust you and
I love you. For certain people, it takes a journey
of healing to be able to see God for who
he is rather than what other people have perceived him
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to be or trade to be. Yeah, but when you
know him and this is the This is something that
I have to ask, especially here in Nashville, is you
never ask people like, so, do you believe in God?
You know? I was like, yeah, like live in Brentwood.
We got like I remember the first time that I
came here. Yeah, I'm living. I grew up in northern Nevada,
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where in Nevada prostitutions legal and gamblings legal. And what
does that like to live without all being legal? Oh? Yeah,
it's crazy. I mean we have one of the highest
team suicide rates and teen pregnancy rates and everything in
the area where I was and the church to population
of people ratio was very low. Um so when I
came here and there's a church on every single church
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is not a big thing in Nevada, no data. I mean,
if you're from Nevada, you say Nevada, but everywhere else
says Nevada. I think it's actually phonetically correct to say Nevada,
but like Nevada whatever I received either one. I came
here and I thought, oh wow, this is so interesting.
I think it's what's drawing a lot of people to
this area now, is that they're they're like desiring this
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hope as an anchor of something that's a core value,
that's meaningful, that's built into the framework of society. You
see people moving here every second, you know, from all
over the country. But for me, I remember looking at
it and thinking this is so strange, because I don't
know if they actually realize the reality of what it
means to have an encounter with God that changes you,
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that moves it from relationship or routine or ritual into
a deep rooted intimate relationship with a God who loves them,
not just rule, not just regulation, but intimacy. Do you
feel like you have to go through something painful to
get there, because I feel like a lot of times
to get to that place, something kind of has to
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like fall apart. For me, at least it has. It
might be for certain people and for others. I think
it actually just depends on your framework. You know, if
you need mercy, God will meet you with mercy. If
you need knowledge, He'll meet you with knowledge. Like you know,
it's He's going to reveal the truth of who he
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is to you in the way that you can receive it.
It's just the goodness of God. He created you. He
knows what you need. So if your life has been
marked by pain and shame and you're needing and tending,
then it will probably come through healing and care and kindness.
Actually says in the Bible that it's the kindness of
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God that leads us to repentance. So how that kindness
shows up for one friend? It might be you know
this logical understanding. For another friend, it might be this
emotional care. For another it might be you know the
presence of a person who loved them or But no
matter what he will and can reveal himself, he's doing
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it to you in your life right now. He dies,
he does it for me every day. He's doing it
in the stick in the pot, with the you know,
with the leaves at the top. He's if our eyes
are open for him, he's faithful to reveal himself. And
when he enters the story, then worth is anchored and
established in him. So when my body changes, and when
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my finances change, and when my business changes and all
these other things, there's this place that I can come
back to that is a sure foundation that cannot be rocked.
There is a moment when I had my daughter. I
was shortly after I had my daughter, she's five now,
and um my business had this season where like the
bottom just kind of like fell out from underneath it,
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and I was kind of scrambling, like, oh my gosh,
how are we going to pay our bills? And of course,
at the same time, exactly away always ends up happening.
And a friend from college that I had not talked
to you for a very long time was like, hey,
I listened to this podcast and I gotta send it
to you. Which it's funny, guys always brought podcasts, which
is the reason why I'm like, I gotta start a podcast,
because maybe somebody will send a podcast you, you know,
like this, This was a like life all trained moment
(08:18):
for me. I've never talked to this woman. I don't
know this woman. I don't even remember her name. I
just remember what she said, which is just another validation
for you that the work you're doing matters. But all
on in my kitchen, I'm cooking, and it's this woman
who had built her entire life on communicating. She was
an author and speaker and she got tongue cancer. Tongue
(08:40):
cancer of all things, right, her whole life has been
built on her ability to communicate and speak. When you're
listening to her on this podcast, she it's hard to
understand her because she's had to relearn how to communicate
without a tongue. She doesn't have a tongue, No, she
had to have it removed because of the cancer. And
she the the platform of suffering always ends up giving
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you like you want to sit on the edge of
your seat, like, what's this girl got to say? Like
she could say anything, and I'm I'm listening a little
bit more intently because of the suffering that she's endured.
And what she said was so profound. She said, if
you can lose it, then it's not who you are.
And I was like, oh my gosh, right, it's like
it's the you can lose it, then it's not who
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you are. If you can lose it, it's not who
you are. Think of anything, Well, we can lose everything
except God. Yeah, and the soul that He has given us,
given us our own blueprint. Yeah, it's what I will
exit this life and in turn into the next life with,
is the soul that God and I have grown together.
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It's what he and it's what I'll bring with me.
The house, it'll stay my family, it'll stay my business,
it'll stay my ability, might impact my legacy here on earth,
that'll stay here. What I carry with me. And I
think about this all the time, even in my struggles
of treating my body like a project. You know, no
one's going to look over my grave and be like
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Tory had such an amazing six pack. Like if they do,
I'd be like like open my eyes to be like, dude, like, really,
that's like the only thing, you know why I'm spending
hours of my time obsessing and focused on my six
pack ups when my body is going to someday be
put into the ground and dk that's weird to think about,
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But there's this um. There's a proverb that says, teach
me to number my days that I can gain a
heart of wisdom. My life is about a breath. I'm
here for a moment and it's gone. It's like fog
on on glass. So in the short bit of life
that I have here on this earth, what does it
look like to live for eternity where I'm not just
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bound by the eighty years that I have on this earth.
And what I could somehow strive myself to create, you know,
and hold onto as a sense of security, only to
be put into the ground and decay and leave it
all behind me. It's the question that Solomon asks in
all of the Book of Ecclesiastics. Who's like, I've had
all the wealth and all of the prestige and all
the women, and all the riches and all this, And
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He's like, it's vanity. It's vanity. It's the reason why
you see these rock stars committing suicide, or like, it's
still it's still not it. It's still not this worthiness.
But if I can lose it, it's not who I am,
which means that there is an identity and a purpose
and a worth that is anchored and the God that
goes with me now and for all of eternity that
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will come. What will be with me on my last
moment of breath and as I exit this world and
turn into the next, he will be with me. So
what does it look like to live a life not
near God, not around God, but with him now that
He is a source of loving wisdom that will tend
to every place of brokenness in our story, so that
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we can live in that eternal reality now in the
most practical ways, you know, in the asking of forgiveness,
in the stopping my sixty five hard challenge and picking
up my bowl of ice cream and snuggling with my husband.
And why did you know you had to stop? I
just knew that I needed to stop because if I finished,
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then I would still be agreeing with the belief that
I can prove my worth by what I do. And
I stopped because day sixty five was enough. I can
do hard things, thank you guy. But I can't do
the hardest thing, which is secure my worthiness. That's a
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job that only God can do for me. So my
this was just me and my story for this particular
circumstance was day sixty five was agreeing with that truth
and saying, all right, I'm gonna lay this down. Then
I'm gonna trust you that the next ten days will
be finishing this challenge. Doesn't give me any greater sense
of worth or not, I'm gonna actually enter into it
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right now on day sixty Yeah. It's funny because ever
since then, though, I've still wanted to go back, like like,
you know, like I wasn't as ripped as I was
on day sixty five, you know, like I need to
go this and that, and I'm like, no, actually, and
it's just this realignment. It's just back to obedience. My
body is good. God is good, He's faithful, He's with me.
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And I'm so grateful I have this amazing body that's
alive and breathing, and I can walk around and I
can do hard things with it, and I'm sitting here
talking to you with it, you know, like these are
this is the most important thing about me that I
bring to the room. Isn't my abs or how chiseled
my you know, my body looks. The thing that I
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bring to the room that no one else has is
the soul that God and I are nurturing and growing
together and anything that can keep me from restraining that
to be present in the room. The better you know,
doesn't mean I for sake like you health and stuff,
Like I still move my body, I still eat nourishing food.
But it's the striving that needs to cease. It's the
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stress and the insecurity that has to be addressed, laid
down and surrendered before God to pick up freedom and
love and forgiveness and mercies so that I can offer
that to other people. It's so interesting. Everyone's so story
because I'm sitting here thinking about like body image and
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things like that and how that affects so much, and
like I'm thinking about my story and what I have
I've been telling myself and big one is I'm not
worth it a second choice, Like I don't have anything
to offer. So then I'm also like I also have
this other part of me where I need everyone to
like me, and I don't want anyone to feel bad
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about themselves being around me because I need you to
like me. So like I also chase validation when I
was younger from like beauty and having a perfect body
and all those things. I took lots of diet pills,
like just believe it for a little while, like did
a lot of things to get this perfect image, but
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then it like cycled into a new place where it's like,
now if I actually, if I feel like I am
two physically like um together, like have too much going
on physically, then I actually feel very very very shameful
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because I don't want anyone else to feel bad about
themselves if I actually have too much going on. And
that was a big reason why I like cut off
my long blond hair because I didn't want to draw
attention in beauty because I'm like, I don't want anyone
to look at me and feel bad about and they're not.
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This is my own lie, Like I don't want you
to because it goes back to you didn't do anything
to deserve this. You shouldn't have beauty, you shouldn't have
recognition for it. You shouldn't be praised for this, So
make it smaller or figure out how to do it different.
I just like I wasn't comfortable having that attention, and
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I finally I hit this breaking point. I woke up
when I was like, I have to cut down my hair,
Like I had to do it. That day, I cut
it all off and dyed it within one day, and
I've had long one hair in my entire life. Do
you feel after amazing? Really? Yes, amazing because I feel
like now I'm just gonna let it. I'm gonna just
let it be what it wants to be without doing
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anything to it. And then I can own that beauty
because I'm not trying to put something on me to
be beautiful. It can just be naturally instead of me
trying to chase it and get it to be it
so people will see it. It's like, I just want
to be what it is. Yeah, it's it's such a
mind all the time. I don't know if you do.
I don't want to ruin your content with somebody could
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somebody could? Though, do all do anything, whether it's in
some person's framework or perspective morally right or wrong. But
if the motive is still to prove yourself or earn
worth or this like selfish ambition. There's a verse in
James that says, where selfish ambition exists, there will follow
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every evil and every every evil practice, and all discord.
And so I know that. I'm like there's certain season
or there's certain things that I know that I'll never
do in relation to this topic of like, well, like
I probably wouldn't choose to have plastic surgery mainly just
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because it doesn't matter if somebody else wants to do
it for whatever reason. I know that my intrinsic motivation
would be to try to improve or better my body
to earn more love and belonging or or beauty from others.
I'm like, I actually don't need that from anybody else.
I probably won't ever engaging that, you know, And I'm like,
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that's there's to to decide and own. But there is
this beauty of like when you step into like a
moment of freedom, whether it's I'm cutting my hair off
and I'm dying it because I'm keeping it blond in
order to gain attention and love and whatever from me.
That was just me because I love blonde hair and
I think some people look great with it. Go back,
you can go back, Yeah, And for this moment I
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needed to do that for myself. Is that those these
are these moments where the Holy Spirit can just be
prodding a little moment of like would you just release
this so that then later on, when there's bigger things,
we have a higher tolerance of surrender and an ability
to experience even deeper levels of freedom. And it's so
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good because it keeps us a little uncomfortable, and it
keeps us always checking and considering what's a motive for
this action? And it could just be like, man, a
big deal. I'm just gonna like dye my hair, cut
it or change it up. Or it could be like, actually,
this is like something deeper. It's happening inside of me.
Then I need to be really aware of It's good
because when you have that intuition, then all of life
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holds some sort of it's a bridge between the natural
and the spiritual where it's not just like everything is
just natural and doesn't matter and my body doesn't matter,
and this and that there's a bridge between the natural
and the spiritual where they all intersect on earth as
it is in heaven. Your kingdom, Come, you will be done.
So Jesus is saint. He's like, it's all spiritual. It
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all has a spiritual reality attached to the natural choices
in our every day. I have to get in tune
with doing it for the right spiritual reason. Yeah. So
it's like it doesn't matter if you have a so
called perfect abs or perfect body or whatever I or
if I wanted to have long blonde hair or whatever.
If it is for a reason, that is like what
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would that be? And the flip side could even be,
you know, run overweight or something, and it's like God's
not worthy and he won't he won't talk to me
or an counter me or use me for anything because
I'm overweight. It could be the total opposite, and I'm like,
they're shame on both sides. Every side, there's shame on
both sides. If you let it all go and you're
just gonna like give glory to like being who you
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want to be because you're not going to worry about vanity,
then there's gonna be shame there, probably or not. But
if you try too hard and you try to keep
up and you try to do all these things to
your body to be a certain way to be approved,
and there's shame there because you're not doing so, It's like,
how do we get to a place because body is
a huge issue for everyone, how do we get to
this place where we feel like we're living, we can
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be proud of the body that we are presenting to
God because we know we are walking the spiritual walk
with him, because I feel like that's a really hard
place to get and I hate to bring it back
to body image, but it's a here thing. I think
it just comes back to the same thing that we're
talking before. It's if the worth and your identity is
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anchored and who God says that you are right now,
whether I have a hundred pounds to lose, or I
need to stop over over exerting my energy in the gym,
or I need to break my break believe me over myself,
or I need to restrain from eating that extra two
meals after eight p m. Still, the motive for both
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of these things is a grasping for security, a grasping
for pleasure, a grasping for purpose, a grasping for comfort
for the needs of our heart. And that can be
going to overstriving or apathy or whatever the outcome is.
But when for every human being this is just like
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the glory of God. Is that when it all comes
back to God and his ability, God and his worthiness,
his love, his acceptance, his forgiveness, his purpose. Then when
we realign there, it realigns everything we're created in the
image of God, just like God is three and one.
We are three in one mind, body, spirit. So when
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we come into alignment with how we were designed all
of them, it all realignsbody and you cannot ignore any
of them. They're all a necessary element to our design
as image bearers have God. So we have to tend
to all of them, but we have to get exactly
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repeating what you say, we have to get an alignment
with all of them. And that is how that is
why you created this course. Was because you have felt
what it feels like. You have always felt God's presence,
but you have felt what it feels like to be
chasing something that is not in alignment, and you had
enough wisdom and knowing nous that there is a bigger
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meaning behind all this and there is a bigger purpose
to our existence here that you created this course for
that purpose. Yeah, it's just the like the people like
with the question that you're asking of just like so
like we always want to go to what do I do?
You know? So like what now what do I do?
And I love I'm a practical person at heart, Like
I want to offer the practicality and the steps of
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bridging the gap between the spiritual and natural for ambitious
women of faith because I've been I think, given a
gift by God that I encountered him early in my life,
and I'm able to usher people into His presence, Like
it's not about me having the right answers for you
or you finding it for yourself. God has it for you,
Like let's go discover it together. Um, that's the desire
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for this and um, I I think it's a great
starting point. It's not the ending point. It's like guide
posts towards a life that's lived in the presence of God.
He's like the best mentor if we're willing to listen,
you know, like Jesus goes give them ears to hear,
you know, give them ears to hear in mind to know.
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Like that's what i want. I just want ears to hear.
And this work from Worth course establishes a couple of
key things like yeah, let's go through the outline. Sure,
So what are you going to be? What is the
process of this course that people will take away because
it's really powerful. So there's six steps. The first is
just what we've been talking about, the workmanship piece of
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what it means that you are created by God with
His image and how working is actually an essential element
to your design and we all needs. Yeah, the warning
signs that show us that things are out of alignment,
which we've been talking a lot about all this conversation,
which is um right here, miss yeah, yeah, Okay, So
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there are some warning signs, like which one's stood out
to you? Warning science? So warning science. So this is
when you're working for worth and when you're working from worth. Okay,
let's see. I feel like mine would be you blame
yourself for for other people's unmet expectations, emotions and failures.
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I feel I feel like that would probably be the
main thing, because mine would be I am blaming myself
for everyone else's happiness because I feel like that is
what I have to give people. I need to give
people happiness so they will love me. Yeah, and what's
the what would the evidence of working from a place where? Right?
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And that's look like it's right on the other side. Oh,
it's the same one you made that. So you empathize
with people's expectations, emotions and failures, but they don't define you.
I mean really, out of all of mine, I feel
like I don't have a I can narrow it. That's
what's so nice about this is you have so many
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that's it's it for me, like because like some of
them are like your resentful of others and their lack
of concern for your needs. I don't feel that your
experience physical stress and your body skin breaking out, lack
of sleep, stomach aches, hormone a balance, adrenaline, fatigue, irritation.
I mean I do actually feel that I don't sleep
well in my stomach always has anxiety. Maybe that's smart.
So you feel stress, and the the working for worth
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would be you feel stress and approach the feeling with
curiosity and care both physically and mentally. Okay, so that
would be one. That one and that the other one
you stop, and then here's another one. You stop prioritizing
basic human needs like eating, sleeping, bathing, sex, hydration, and movement.
I don't feel that one because I do feel like
I have I have done that before. These are actually
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milestones and pillars of like, Oh I used to do that.
I don't do that anymore. I don't. Yes, it's a
little leaf on your stick. It is a leaf because
I do not prioritize my basic needs. Yeah, it's good
and like bringing yoga back into my life, like I
had stopped doing that for three years, and I have
now it is a priority in my life. It's good.
I feel overwhelmed and out of control of your schedule.
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I feel I now that Ali my incredible interns here,
she's helped me get on a schedule. I used to
feel that way. I still feel overwhelmed with finances. You
take ownership of your time. So yeah, it's amazing, Like
it's awesome to see this like written down, you know,
because you a little bit more of a structure and
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place to work off of. And I want to go
through Another key part of this that I think is
really amazing because how many spiritual gifts are there? Well,
there's a lot of different you know, ideas of how many,
but I put sixteen in the course that offer a
little bit more practical implication in your everyday life. So
what Tori does, which I think is amazing, is she
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lists these spiritual gifts sixteen and they and you tell
everyone to pick four. You're top four, and it's very
hard to pick top four. But here's here's the gift.
She lifts administration and I'm not going to read all
the definitions, but administration missions discernment evangelism. How do you
say that word? Exhortation, exhortation, faith giving, hospitality, knowledge, leadership, mercy, prophecy, shepherding, service, helps, teaching, wisdom,
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and then you go through and you figure out where
you where's your top four? So I feel like my
top four were Discernment. These individuals help people recognize the
true intentions of others. Discernment test the message and actions
of others for the protection and well being of the church, community, family,
and workplace. Because like to me, I'm taking this as
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I can truly get to the heart of someone and
I can truly see the true picture. No, I don't
whatever your your representative is, I can get to the
core of it, and I want to because I want
to see your truth because I know you're a beautiful
soul in there, and like I know everyone is, So
I feel like I'm gifted there. Yes you are Exhortation.
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People with this gift are good at encouraging others and
help motivate them to work within their gifting. And they
can clearly communicate God's word and help people apply it
to action. I feel like I'm really good at that
for other people. Really, maybe not always for myself, but
for other people, I'm like, you're so good at this,
I see you do this. The biggest trap for the
people with the gift of exhortation is they don't know
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how to admit their own need and receive what they
give out to others in return. Maybe we don't know
what it is that we need. Then you have to
be willing to actually because when you're an exhorter, when
you're encouraging everyone else, it's easy to fall into the
trap of pride, believing that you have to have the
answer and encouragement for everyone else, so you're not allowed
to have need encouragement or ask for it yourself. So
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it's when you're leading in exhortation and humility rather than
in pride. Then it keeps you in the place where
you do need to receive it from other people. You
do need to hear the same good things you still
need to You still need to receive from another person
who has the gift of exhortation on your behalf. So
it's finding people that can nurture you as well. Right,
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it's surrounding yourself with the other people in your life
who have the spiritual gifts that you need. And then
not being mad at people in your life. You' don't
have those spiritual gifts you can't give them, but instead,
let's God. You can do this so layered. Then you
can try to really see the people close to their
gifts and honor their gifts exactly help them. Because this
is all pulled from scripture where Paul is basically saying
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in First Corinthians, like the church is a body. Does
your arms say to the splain I don't need you. Yeah,
I'm doing way more than your bill. Say to your
mouth like I'm more important than you, you know? Does
your heart say to this body, No, if there's any
part of our body that's damaged or hurt or broken,
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we feel it. Even if it works less frequently, it's
still just as valuable. It's such as necessary because we're
all one unified body. So when you know what your
top four giftings are, you can come into a room
and when someone has four gifts that are totally different
from you, instead of trying to measure up and prove
yourself or try to work out a weakness to try
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to prove to them like you're like them, you actually
boldly hard out a week to say that again. So like,
for example, with your sister, you said she had all
these gifts that I wasn't really good at. Maybe she
has the gift of administration because she's detail orient very
good at you know. She might have the gift of knowledge,
she's able to study in entertain leadership, leadership. She might
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have a gift of service and helps. So she has
four different gifts than you that are very like you
see them, and in a broken framework, you come in
and you see those gifts, You're like, I should have
those gifts. It would be like the eyeballs being like
I should do what this plain does. Instead, it's the
note I can confidently come into the room and go,
I have the gift of exhortation. She needs that. But
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what if you feel so, I guess you need to
do this work with the people you love the most too,
because what if they feel let down by you because
you don't have their gifts and they don't They're not
able to see your gifts because their gifts are so
different and we're on our own path. So like, what
if it makes it's releasing their story and their perception
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to their own journey. The thing is is that if
you come in trying to fix them or help them
realize something. You're going to end up feeling trapped by
needing to prove something and make everything worse for everybody.
But instead, if you confidently know what God has gifted
you to do and what your strengths are, then you
hone in on those and you go, you know, I'm
really sorry that I'm not very administrative or like detail
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oriented when it comes to this and that, but I
know I hold an essential role in encouraging you and
offering you mercy and perspective. I can confidently offer that
to you, and I'm really sorry that I fell short
on the administration piece. And then you don't have to
be like because I feel like sometimes people will be like, well,
that's a cop out. You just don't want to do that,
you're lazy. But it's like, that's not true. It's not true. Yeah,
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that's not true. That's not true. It's not a cop out.
It's actually I'm not good at that. I don't like it.
I don't enjoy it. I don't I value I do
value it immensely. And I maybe seasons where you're called
to do something that you don't really like for a season,
and that's totally fine, but it's knowing like the best
thing that I bring to a room are these focused
on those instead of feeling like you have to chase
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someone else's gifts, instead of growing a weakness or trying
to be someone that you're not. Yes, exactly, this is
why everyone needs to do this, Because then I realized,
like hospitality. I love hospitality. The gift with hospitality ability
to make visitors, guests, and strangers feel at ease. The
oftens are home to entertain guest persons with this gift
integrate new members into the body. I love to make
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everybody feel welcome. I want everyone to feel seen. I
want everyone to feel valued. I want everyone to know
that you are so important and welcome here and that
your story is so valuable, and whatever is happening, I
want you to feel so loved and just for being
you and you don't have to show me anything or
proving anything. And then the other one I feel like
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is mercy. And maybe it's because I feel like I
need mercy because I feel like I've always not been
good enough that people need to give me mercy in
my shortcomings. Ye that cheerful acts of compassion characterized. Those
are the gifts of mercy. They foster an environment of empathy, unity,
and compassion by helping people see the needs of others.
So what if all my gifts, though, are sprung from
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my story that I told myself and they're overcompensating for
like what I because like mercy, that's me wanting to
show others what I needed. So like what if it
is that a true gift or is that an over
compensation for how I felt? Depends on never get to
the bottom of anything. It depends on the motivation. But
remember when I said that free people free people, that
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the freedom and your story is now turning into a
gift that you offer others. So you're entering into a
place of mercy. You're learning how to receive mercy. And
when you've received mercy as a gift, and you're giving
it away to someone else, not not for the sake
of you getting something in return, but out of an
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abundance of gratitude or the worth it's established by God
that's on wavering, then you can offer that to someone
else without your worth being on the line. And I
don't think anybody does this perfectly. It's the reason why
it's like this daily call to repentance and like realign
me God, like bring me back into the right place.
But um free when you walk in freedom and the
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story that you carry, which is unique to you, your
life experience, the hurt done, the healing that's been done
by God, the freedom that you're walking in that turns
into the gift and the freedom that you offer other people.
It's what you and your life hold authority over so
that you can come to someone else who is maybe
ten steps behind you and going I've journeyed the road
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that you've been on. Let me offer you an shortation.
Let me offer you hospitality, a place to sit at
my table. Let me offer you mercy that someone else
sit and offer me that I'm willing to offer you.
It's power your story. It is maybe it I don't
know the words right over contensating, but it is a
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result of your story. But it also becomes a part
of you. And then you get to return the gifts
that you felt maybe that you didn't have, or story
work and you do a lot of that, Like there's
like your journal in here. Story got to do the
story work, um, which I mean, I don't know if
we can go through the entire like two hours, like
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you're gonna have to. Yeah, well we'll do two episodes
of this one because it's so good, but the other
thing will wrap with this the biblical values you have.
You go through all these values to there's a list
of sixty sixty values where you have to arrow it
down to your tough for it's sour, it's safety, health, trust, adventure, courage, creativity, respect, authenticity, love, family.
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You're reading that, listen, I'm like, all these should be
important to me, right, Like, how is one more important
than the other. And it's not that all of them
are not important, but when you get to your top four,
they help set the bound injuries around the way that
you use your gifting. So okay, so what are your
top four? Did you like have a couple? Here are
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my let me see, this is actually school that I
like to do because I'm like, oh, it's growth and
that is a whole other conversation about the way school
works and the trauma that school creates. But you know,
for another time, there's sixty. I didn't narrow it down
to sixty. You said you could do like twelve and
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then narrow to four. So there's steps to help you
narrow down to this. I know my values that I
value are safety, health, adventure. I mean there's more. I'll
just do the ones that highlighted safety, health, adventure, authenticity.
I didn't even pick love, which is crazy. I picked joy, unity, peace, diversity, excitement, curiosity, adventure,
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purpose in community. You circled a couple purpose in community,
purpose and community. What would be two more that you
would circle as in that list that purpose community? Can
I talk all important? But you're top four and want
to put unity in a community together as one right,
So it's easy to try to think that certain and
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it's actually a part of the course is grouping certain
values that relate to each other into different groups and
then going which one is the source and which one
is the result. So if you prioritize community, it may
result in unity. The community would be the one, the
big one, or it could be opposite. You'd have to
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decide this for yourself. If I'm prioritizing unity as a value,
then community naturally follows. Which one proceeds the other. It
doesn't mean that both of them are not important. It
just means that you you have to approach this with
curiosity in your own story to see which one is
more to be valued, just only please, because I want
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all of us to be supporting each other, accepting each other.
And then that's the community I want to build. Okay,
So I don't want just a community. I want to
unified community, unity and purpose. Okay, so unity, purpose, so
the community is out. Okay, it'd be communities out, purpose, unity, joy, joy. Yeah,
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I want every I want myself and everyone to experience joy,
So to be purpose unity joy. See that then, like
I want to put purpose in authenticity together, So which
one do you which one precedes the other? If you're
prioritizing purpose, does authenticity follow? Or when you're prioritizing a
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true authenticity that you discover purpose there? I think it
would be authenticity. God, this is interesting. I thought it
was purpose in community, but it's actually authenticity d because
I just want to be the stick to let the let.
So it would be authenticity, joy, unity. And I do
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want health and adventure, But do those follow your purpose
and authenticity? Like, if you're if you're prioritizing some of
these values, is adventure and health something that results from that?
Or is it authenticity? Yes? If I am authentic then
adventure and health and safe everything will follow. So it
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would be authenticity, joy, unity, safety. That was one of
your first ones, But now I'm thinking it might be freedom, freedom, freedom, authenticity, joy,
and unity. See when you identify your top four all
the rest of the things that results circling. I'm I
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am living a life of health, you know, or prioritizing
health in my body or whatever. When authenticity and unity,
who were your other ones? Freedom and enjoy? See, these
set the framework for how you use your gifts of
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exhortation and mercy and hospitality, because if you just offer
those gifts anywhere without knowing the core values that have
shaped your your life experience so far, then you end
up throwing your gifts before the wrong audience and then
they're not received and then people and that's what's happened
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to me. I think I just throw these gifts out
and then people actually don't really like you, like you're
kind of like not it's opposite of being well received,
kind of like who do you think you are? Their
whole core core value framework is different than you could
try to offer as many gifts as possible and you're trying,
you're trying to pe will please them, and they're being
people pleased like that's not what I want and actually
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what I need. You're you're you're repelling me, like I
actually can't stand you. But you know that when you
sit in the room with people whose gifts and values
aligne or they complement one another, how you offer a
gift and it's so well received and it's beautiful and
it brings life to the room. That's what it looks
like to live. And that's why you have to work
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in from your audience too. When you identify these things
for yourself, then it gives you clarity and perspective to
know when you walk into a room or thinking about
a job that you're going to sign up for, a
business that you're going to start, or a thing that
you're going to do, this is a line with the
way that God has designed me? Or am I trying
to be someone that someone else wants me to be?
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You know? And if you can't know unless you know
who God has created you to be. First, thank you
for doing this hard work and putting this into a course,
and for like sharing your wisdom and for this is
a lot of hard work. It's good. I even love
that we got to kind of do a little bit
of coaching to live on the podcast, You're like, Oh,
I know what my core values are, and that's another
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thing you offer is coaching, right, Yeah, we're hopefully going
to be opening up a group coaching element to that,
so you guys can tune in and ask about that
in the future for sure. Yeah, because it's important to
have these live conversations. It is, and it's important to
have them with people with knowledge like that is like
you are, and I feel like that is what I
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want to get to. My life is like, where do
I have something that I can offer true knowledge to
someone like you are doing for me. I feel like
I'm just whispy though, Like it's one of the elements
though to your gift of hospitality. Your gift of hospitality
is being used here, Your gift of mercy is being
used here, Your gift of exhortation is being used here.
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You're already living and working in your gifts. You don't
need to try to conjure anything else up where. You're
trying to offer me something more value bold than who
you are right now, who God has designed to you
to be here and now you don't need to prove anything.
There's nothing more than I need from you than all
that God has designed you to be here in this moment,
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you remain here and lean into these core values of
unity and authenticity and freedom and using these gifts that
God has designed to you with, it's blessing me here
right now. You already are offering me the best that
you can offer, because it's who God has made you
to be. Yeah. Oh, Ted talks and like speaking around
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the world. No, I just love you, but I am
here in this room and this is where I want
to be. YEA, thank you so much. I mean, now
I understand why people sign up with you and do
all this because this is hard work and you need
a coach, and you need a coach who like has
your intentions behind it, because yours is truly to help
people get their gifts, get their core values, and live
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from those. So you don't ever feel like you're chasing people,
pleasing having to get the abs doing what it means,
like even feeling guilty for like whatever. It's just like
we got to get to this place, and it's hard,
hard work. It's such good work. It's such free work though,
but it's so we have to dig into stuff that
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we've boxed up and put on shelves, and we have
never like like I have not thought about the second
choice to avoid in third grade and ever maybe, but
it's always maybe in my ether, you know. And these
are the moments that when these moments of our story
are redeemed, that we can actually look back and see
they got it already, chosen you first, before the boy
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chose you second. That there's this freedom and redemption and
these moments in our brokenness in our past, that if
we look at it from a different perspective, from a
perspective of freedom, it illuminates this different perspective of our
story to see, oh, God was tending even there, He
was leading me forward even there. But sometimes it takes
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somebody else in the room to offer you a different
perspective to see it. These are important things, though important,
important moments in our life too. Two hold and to
be curious about without trying to shame ourselves into a
result or into a different way of feeling or thinking
about it too quickly, but to sit until lament the
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brokenness that's been done in our story, whether it's third
grade you or five year old you, or beyond that
to hold the hurt in someone else's story is such
an honor because it always leads to freedom, because it's
the kindness of God that leads us to repentance. It's
what makes us new. So you're amazing. Always wrap up
(46:54):
with leave your light, which I don't even know how
you couldn't answer that because everything you say is leading light.
What do you want people to know? I want them
to know. I want them to know that they have
a purpose that is secured for them in eternity. That's
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what working from worth means is that when they've anchored
themselves in a purpose that cannot be losed, that cannot
be lost, a purpose that is founded in God's ability
and not their own, then that is when the immeasurably
more life will be able to be lived in and
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through them. And I want that for them. I want
freedom for them. This starts there. You're amazing, Corey. Okay,
where can anyone follow? You? Follow me at I am
Tory Maheian on Instagram? I M A E H E
I N. And these reels that you do, y'all just
want you need a little sunshine light in your life,
(47:58):
but also a lesson or message I don't know what
the correct word. It is, like I could like sit
here and talk for two hours. Like Matt would be like,
oh my gosh, how could you talk for two hours straight?
I'm like, it's a gift, my gift, and he's like,
I can't do that. Um. Yeah. And we have a
podcast called for Eternity and Until, and the link is
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connected to my Instagram. It might be the probably easiest
way to find me on Instagram and everything. I can
send you all the websites to link in the captions
and stuff too. Okay, Tori, thank you so much. This
was so powerful and meaningful for me, and I know
people listening are receiving this as well. And I encourage
everyone to do this course because we all need to
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know why we are here and just get in tune
with that. Amen to that, I wun't have to chase
and feel last and all the feelings that we feel
have the authority from God. Amen. Tori, You're the best.
Thank you so much. This will be a two part episode. Okay,
this is amazing. Bye,
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