Zac Brown just asked Caroline to join him and his band on his Comeback Tour to play, sing and entertain along side him. She plays and wails on about 7 instruments, has a voice of an angel, is sassy, sexy, and confident to do her career HER way. She’s always been about the long game. Building a grassroots solid fan base for who she is as an artist rather than trying to fit a mold, has always been her vibe. She has toured and released singles with Kenny Chesney, Jimmy Buffett, Zac Brown and considers then great friends and mentors. Caroline attracts greatness bc she is great. She hasn’t ever sold herself short,and icons have taken notice of that. She explains her life philosophy to me, her journey plus how she never thought she would fall in love, but now is engaged to a famous sailor and head over heels in love… they lived in New Zealand all during covid bc of his job and had an absolute fairytale experience. Caroline follows her soul and it has led to a magical journey.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, y'all, it's Caroline Hobby and we will not be
having a new episode of Get Real Podcast this week.
This Monday, I am going to bring back one of
my favorite episodes with Caroline Jones. She is the only
female on the Zach Brown band. She's about to deliver
her baby. I interviewed her right when her life was
popping off, so to go back and listen to where
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she was, I think it was like almost two years ago,
and where she is now, it's just she's moved at
lightning speed.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
So I just love Caroline so much.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Her journey's been amazing, and I want y'all to go
back memory lane, walk back memory lane with me on
this one, because she's come so far and she's such
a shining bright light. I loved this is when I
first got to know her and it was the start
of a great friendship for us. And to see her
grow and evolve has been just nothing short of electrifying.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
So here is Caroline Jones, and.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
I'll be back next week with a fresh new episode
of Get Real Podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Caroline, she's a queen and talking song.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
You know, she's getting really not afraid to faxisod, so.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Just let it blow, no one can do we quid
Caroline is sound of Caroline? Hello, Caroline Jones, Hi, Caroline Hobby,
how are you so good? I love talking to fellow
Caroline's Do you get to like Caroline all the time?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
People call you Carolyn all the time.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
People are like, is it Caroline or Caroline?
Speaker 5 (01:36):
And I don't really understand because Carolyn, why clearly?
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Why nd right?
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Yeah, it's so obviously why n so if it's I any,
I don't understand why.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
That's confusing to people. But people always say is it
Caroline or Caroline?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I know, and we have the word line in our name.
I'm like, it's actually the word.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
I'm with you, Yes, I do get that along.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
But do you also love being a Caroline?
Speaker 4 (02:01):
I do. I like the name Caroline.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
And actually we just played friend way ten days ago
when we played Sweet Caroline, and I love that song.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I do too.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
I mean, I know, I know it's very cliche, but
it's cliche for reason. It's such a great lyric and
beautiful song. And I actually love Neil.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Diamond, so oh yeah, I I feel like Caroline. There's
like it's like a common name, but it's not a
common name. There's a lot of us, but I also
feel like we're spare, like sparse. No, I don't feel
like there's an overwhelming amount of Carolines out there.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
But it's not like a weird name, you know.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Yeah, I like it. I'm used to it. What can
I say?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
What's your nicknames? What if people call you for her nickname.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
CJ cd Eline Jones, Yeah, you've always been CJ.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
I think so. Yeah, I think I've always been CJ.
And then my fiance calls me Barbara.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Line, Barbara Line, Barbie.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
Like a Barbarian. But Barbara Line, do you find that sexy?
I wouldn't say I find it endearing. I don't know
about seeing it's mostly poking fun at me.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Is that like? What does that mean? Is it because
you're just so active and like you can really just
rock it.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
I suppose I can be a little bit abrasive or blunt.
I'm kind of I can be very honest in a
way that maybe people aren't used to and.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
I, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
I guess I I'm unique in certain ways that other
people find funny or bizarre.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
You elaborate this is interesting, Well.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
I guess I'm trying to think how it started he
probably called me barbaria line.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Yeah, the way, like some examples would be if.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
I'm not that into a party or social setting, like
I'll just I just tend to like up and leave
or something like that. Or and I don't it doesn't
occur to me that that's not right, that's not You're.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Like the queen.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
What you're the queen of that? He'll billy slip.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
I am a little bit.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
Yeah, And and I used to just do it when
I was single. I used to just do it, not
even think twice. And then when I have someone with
me now he's like, what the heck? Like just things
like that, he started calling me barbaria line. And I
think the way that I eat sometimes I just.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Shovel things, shovel things in like a barbarian.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
So when you're shows up, you are like hit after it,
like it is like game on?
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Sorry, wait repeat your question?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
When your food shows up? Is it like game on?
Speaker 4 (04:38):
If I'm hungry, yeah, I'm very protective of it. And
also I get very hungry.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
So if if I'm very hungry, I think he just
calls me a barbaria.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Line because I'm I'm I can be very tough. I
can be a little bit abrasive, which.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Is funny because I feel like my music is not
necessarily like that.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
But I'm really not.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
I think when you I think I'm a very independent minded,
fiery person. And I also think when you start to
run your own business, like as an independent artist, you
have to become a bit like that and develop your
strength that way. So but sometimes it's misplaced. That's that's
where the humor of it comes in. Is sometimes like
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that fire is misplaced and people are like, whoa what?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
So that does make sense?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
So you have been an individual you are You're signed
to Jimmy Buffett's label, right or you were or you
are yea.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
I have a distribution deal with him, so he distributes
my music, but we have a deal where I actually
own all my music and have all the creative control
over it, which I'm really lucky to have.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
I know that most artists don't have that luxury.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
But I've been working with my business partner and manager
and co producer, Rick wake Now for about five years,
and we.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Have a really sounds of big names like Mariah Carey
beyond that's kind of huge.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Yeah, yeah, just some up and comers. Yeah, he worked
at Sony in the nineties and two thousands and helped
discover Mariah. He worked with Whitney Houston, Celine Dion, He's
worked with I mean j Low.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
He did her first album, The.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
Whole kind Of Latin Explosion, with Shakira and Mark Anthony
and everyone Ricky Martin at that time. So he has
a lot of experience across a lot of different genres
of music, including countries centricat Yearwood and folks like that.
And I met him about five years ago when we
started working together and just have built this career and
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this body of work that we're still working out to
have an album coming out later this fall, and I'm just.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Really proud of what we're building.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
He really believes in me as an artist and my
vision for my career, for myself, and he's kind.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Of my ride or died my right hand man.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Okay, So how did you get started? And did you
always want to be an independent artist because you're in
you grew up in New York and up north, and
did you how did you find country music? You play
like seven instruments, right, am I missing?
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Like?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Is it like you?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Guitar, doughbro, mandolin, harmonica, I mean you're correct.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
Yeah, I don't play mandolin, but I do play quite
a few instruments.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
I want to play mandolin. I think that's such a
cool instrument.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
And I've recently gotten more into bluegrass living in New
Zealand and collaborating with a bluegrass band there, and that
now being with Zach Brown band.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
They actually have a lot of bluegrass influence.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
But to go back to the origin of your question,
I grew up in the Northeast. I did not grow
up to listening to country music at all. I grew
up listening to a lot of classic rock, soul, R
and B, the Devas of the nineties. I grew up
listening to Mariah Carey and Wyney Houston and Barber stuisand
and then when I was I started writing songs really young,
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and writing poems and stories. I was just acid writer,
and I would write these poems and stories.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
And as soon as.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
I realized that I could put those poems and stories
to music and make songs, I was like, this is
it for me at a very young age. And so
I was making some demos up in New York, kind
of like in the summers in between school school years,
and my manager at the time. I got a manager
(08:27):
when I was around like sixteen seventeen. He was setting
me up with a producer up north and he said,
you know, there's some country singer songwriter influence in your music.
And I was like what, and he was like yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
And literally the.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
Extent of country music I knew was like some George
Strait and then Faith Hill and Shania Twain because everyone
in every nineties.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Kid, oh, you know Faith Hill and Twain.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
And he was like, and you know what, country is
kind of the last genre left that really like prizes
the things that you're in to, like songwriting and musicianship
and being authentic and having artistic integrity.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
And even at a young age.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
I felt like I was on a vision quest towards
all those values in my music. And he was like,
you know, pop music just isn't is centered around that
community and those values. And so I went down to
Nashville when I was seventeen. I went to a show
at the Bluebird Cafe and it was a totally life
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changing experience for me.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
I just felt like I'd been struck by lightning. I
felt like I'd found the missing piece of my artistry.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
I just had had no idea that there was an
entire genre of music, a community of people like minded
in those musical values like an authenticity and the stories
behind the songs, because I had loved like Jewel and
Bob Dylan and Joni Mitchell and vuh one storytellers, and
I was into that whole like folks singer songwriter thing.
But the fact that there was a whole modern comemmercial
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genre of music that still had roots in those values
but had all the bells and whistles of modern commercial music,
which is country music, was really really exciting to me.
And so when I went to that show at the Bluebird,
I became obsessed. And I went all the way back
to Hank Williams and Jimmy Rodgers and the Carter family,
(10:21):
like starting in the forties, and I just listened to
all the country music ever.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
And I mean, I don't want to say nobody tests me.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
I haven't listened to all the country music ever, but
I did listen to all the major artists over all
the decades of country music and just fell in love
with it, and fell in love with the lineage and
the stories and the history of it and the richness
of it, and love that it's a genre that has
been built and pioneered by real rebels and renegades and
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people with different sounds. Like if you go back and
we think of it as such a traditional, conventional genre,
but like there was nothing traditional or conventional about Willie
Nelson or the Carter family or Hank Williams or Johnny
Cash like or Dolly Parton, Like these are total trailblazing
rebels and I love that. And there's just so much
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artistic courage that has built this genre. And so just
over the years, country just like led its way into
my songwriting. And I'm not traditional country by any stretch,
but I love country music and I feel like it
was the missing piece of me finding my sound.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
So then what happened?
Speaker 4 (11:30):
You fall in love? You're at the Bluebird, you.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Obsess, you learn all this suff about everything, and then
what's next?
Speaker 4 (11:38):
So then at least you.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
I can't believe right now, it is so cool you
are on tour with Zach Brown, but you're like on
tour with him with his band, Like it's like you
and Zach Brown.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
It's not like you're opening for Zach Brown.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
It's like you are on stage with Zach Brown and
the Zach Brown Band performing and singing.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I mean, that's so badass.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
It is so cool. Even when you say it, I'm like, dang,
we do.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
I love hearing people's journeys. How did and like, how
did this happen? Like what a crazy, awesome opportunity for life.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
It really is.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Well, quite a few things happened before this, But I
started writing and working with writers and producers in Nashville
in my late teens, and I loved I mean, I
just worshiped the songwriters in Nashville and the musicians in
Nashville and producers like they're my musical heroes. But I
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realized at a really young age that if you don't
really know who you are, it's tough to sound like
yourself when you get in those rooms. Because those writers
and producers are so well practiced in creating commercial country
music that.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
It can be tempting to just.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Kind of become oh role with what's working, what's happening.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Yeah, and to become kind of like a carbon copy
of what's going on and kind of a paint by
numbers artists. And at a young age, I just really
I wanted to be the producer, you know, I wanted
to be as good or not be the producer necessarily,
even though I do co produce now, but to be
I wanted to hold my own musically and not just
be like a pretty girl who sang.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
You know.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
I wanted to be a great musician. I wanted to
be a truly great songwriter and a great producer. And
I recognized how big the chasm was.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Between like my experience level and my skill.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
Level and theirs, and so I just like fully committed
to writing and producing my own records for a while
in New.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
York and touring around.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
I would book my own tours at these like high
schools and colleges and boarding schools for a few years,
and I really spent my early twenties just like handmaking
my albums.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
I had no manager, no marketing team, nothing like, no
one but me, and.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Spent my early twenties touring around schools and trying to
get my feet wet, playing live and learning how to
produce my own records and total trial by fire and
probably took a lot longer than it would have if
someone was showing me how to do it.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
But that guy I had her own devices, which was good.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
You got to do it your own way, because maybe,
like you said, someone else could have tried to influence
you and you knew you didn't want that.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Well, that's what ends up happening for good reason, because
those those people are super experienced and super talented. I
just always wanted to have a voice and be able
to hold my own and I feel like you really
have to pay your dues to be able to do that,
and this was just my particular way of doing that.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
And then so after doing that for a few years, that's.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
When I met Rick and we made the album that
would become Their Feet, and he loved my sound, he loved.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
My vision, he loved what I was doing. And I'd
never had that before.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
I'd never had I'd had people come on and say, oh,
you're so talented, let's try this or this or this
or this, but I've never had someone come in and say,
I get what you're doing, I get who you are,
what you're trying to become, and I want to help you.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Make that vision happen and come to fruition.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
And that is really invaluable to some to find someone
who believes in what you were trying to create, as
opposed to someone who sees your potential and then wants
to create you in their you know, their image or
division that they have.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
And I would say, like a little bit after my.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
First single came out, a friend of a friend played
it for Zach Brown.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Oh okay, that's a good friend.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
Yeah, exactly, and Zach just reached out to me. This
was twenty late twenty sixteen, early twenty seventeen, and this
was your album called which one bare Feet. This was
actually before Barefeet was even out. I had a single
and I think I had an EP out.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
He got out telling me that you had produced yourself.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
Yeah, that was my first EP that I produced with
Rick Wake. So this was my first like official country
pop release. No, but I'm saying that Brown got Did
he get the one before bear Feet? So it was
one that you had produced alone?
Speaker 4 (16:15):
No, he got bare Feet got I gotta got it?
Speaker 5 (16:19):
And because the Highway was playing Tough Guys at the time,
and I guess a friend of a friend had heard
it and played it for him, and he reached out
to me just totally unnecessarily just being super hospitable and
kind and warm, and.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
It's also just a god that It's just one of
those things you can't really explain rationally.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
And he reached out to me and said that he
liked it and if I needed help or I remember
he called me once and like Zach Brown came up
on my phone for the first time.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
What I know.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
So this the total random happenstance that, like Zach Brown
is in your life.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
It actually did did happen pretty randomly. I mean, we
did have that friend of a friend connection initially, but
then all the.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Events that followed that were he did not have to
do any of that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
So he asked me to come out and open two
dates on his twenty seventeen Welcome Home tour.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
And I thought I'd died and gone to heaven.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
And I came out that it was a weekend in June,
and I came out and I'd never played for a
crowd that big before, and I came out and played,
and on the second night of the run, the last
night of the run, he asked me to come up
and sing a song with them on stage, and like
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I said, I'd never played for.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
That many people before, let alone. Now I'm playing on
stage with Zach Bround Band.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
And I can't really describe to people what it feels
like when an actual dream comes true, like something that
you've actually visualized in your mind and dreamed of and
then the actual moment is happening and it's extremely surreal
and it gives you such a faith in three lights,
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like how yeah, and how beautiful life can be?
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Like how literally if you.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
I mean it all sounds so cliche and so cheesy,
but it's cliche for a reason, because if you like
hold a vision in your mind and just work towards
it and just don't give up, and then you have
those little moments along the way that you're like, oh
my god, you know, it's so special.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
What was the vision you were holding that came true?
Was it to be with Zach Brown or was it
just to be like playing for that many people? Like
what had you been holding in your mind? And are
you big about like manifestation and visualizing and like what
is your spiritual realm life like to like get you
to these dreams?
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Oh god, don't get me started on that. I know,
I love it.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
This is my favorite thing to talking about.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Everyone thinks I'm such a hippie, but I like to
apply it practically. I think Okay, So to answer your.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
Question, I've always dreamed about playing in front of thousands
and thousands of people, and specifically I dreamed about having
a career and mentors in a career that were artists
where I could really grow myself as a songwriter, as
an artist, like as an authentic.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Artist of integrity that would have a long career.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
So the fact that I've been able to have mentors
like Zach and Jimmy Buffett and Kenny like people who
have decades long careers, because that's what I want.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
I'm not.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
I've never been about like quick fame or like the
biggest radio song right away or any of that. Like
I really want to build a fan base and a
career and a body of work over the course of
my life that fulfills me and is true to who
I am as an artist and helps me grow as
an artist and hopefully inspires an audience, you know, and
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I really believe that, like in this time more than
any other time, you will find your audience. Like if
you have a nique sound and you're true to it,
and you're one hundred percent committed and authentic to that,
like you might not find the biggest audience, but like
you will find your audience because.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Of the Internet in this day and.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
Age, like you just got to keep doing your thing,
and I see it with so many inspiring artists now.
So I had dreamed a lot about having artists take
me under their wing, and I dreamed about being on
a tour like Zach Brown's tour opening up for a
big artist for years before I got to do it.
And so I think, to answer your question, of course,
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visualization I think is a great tool. I just try
to also leave things very open, because I don't like
trying to set too many specific high goals that get
you too anxious and too obsessed with like how things
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work out externally, because I just think there's so much
can't control and there's and you don't want to set
your standard for yourself according to like how other people
in the world perceives you. I think that's like a
really slippery slope, especially in this industry, because this industry
is mostly focused.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
On how other people perceive you.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
And I think that that's a real like track for creativity,
and it just kills creativity and it kills your humanity.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
And I see.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
That that's a real problem for a lot of famous
people and that. So I try to, yes, definitely like
visualize and dream and all these things, but I try
to just focus on putting one foot in front of
the other, working really hard and being completely true to myself,
and I think all that pays off.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
So how do you know what your next step is?
Speaker 3 (21:58):
I always love people like you who are so in
tune with like their guide, their guidance system from above,
and like trusting their gut and intuition. And clearly you
have identified your dreams and talents and your drive and
your passion at a.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Young age, like you have known what you wanted to
do for a long time.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
And the more puzzles that the pieces that you found,
like the Bluebird and realizing it's country music, like you
just dive farther and farther into your passion and curiosity.
I love because I feel like that's the soul of
guiding you. But how do you know when you have
the green light to take that next step?
Speaker 2 (22:36):
When you are trusting?
Speaker 3 (22:38):
And I love what you said holding it open, letting
it like having your visualization what your heart and your
soul is telling you that you want to do. But
then like letting the pieces fall. I love that so much.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
I relate to that. How do you know when it's
time to make a move, Like, what.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Does it feel like when you are all of a sudden, like,
oh my god, this is the next step.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
I feel it.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
I think it feels like the most natural thing. Like
I think so many people just don't trust themselves and
don't trust what feels good to them because we're not
really taught in this culture that what feels good to
you is right, you know, like or that being happy
and fulfilled is ultimately the goal. You know, we're taught
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that all these other trappings of success or the goal.
So I think once you get really clear about your priorities,
I think the next step is usually pretty obvious and natural.
And I think it's only when I get my priorities
out of order that I get confused and unsure of myself,
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Like when other people convince you that this should be
a priority, this, or you realize that you're living for
this or this or this instead of your values. Like
I think, if you're really clear about your values and
what you actually want, then you can go. And that's
not to say that any external success trappings are wrong,
because if that is your priority and that is your goal,
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then you just go straight ahead that and that has
its own challenges too, But I think being clear, I
think so many of us, especially women, are like so
so commonly second guessing ourselves, you know, and not trusting
ourselves and not like really living for what's going to
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fulfill us and then by extension everyone around us.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
So this is awesome that you know all this.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
How did you get this, your sweet How did you
get this confidence? Have you gone to a lot of
therapy to get this or were you born into a family.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
That like taught this or was just this innately? How
you work? Like how did you know this? And then
what are your priorities?
Speaker 3 (24:50):
And like what is your clarity that allows you to
stay moving on this goal without like looking left to
right and feeling like you might get lost in the
traffic comparison or trying to live for what someone else wants,
or feeling like you have to like how does how
you not gotten sidetracked by all of that and stay
clear on your priorities during your career because I'm sure
there's a lot of chances that you could have tried
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to jump ship and like abandon the road you're on
and kind of go more mainstream, or you know, do
something that feels like it could be quicker to like success,
but you have stayed so true.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
So like, what are your priorities and how did you
learn these?
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Well, I'm very stubborn for better and worse, like worse.
I don't want to sugarcoat it, like it can also
be really bad, not bad.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
But it can be.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
It can take you longer to learn things when you're
as stubborn as I am, But lots of lots of
people are stubborn and you just have to know your
way around that.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
I think I've always been a seeker.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
I've always been I was like a very spiritual, existential child.
I was fascinated by I mean, feelings are the currency
of music and art. So I'm like a very deeply feeling, sensitive,
curious person. And I think when I was a teenager,
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I got really interested in psychology, spirituality, all these kind
of things that we're talking about. To me, it's always
been in lockstep with music too, because music, like songs
are about why.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
We do the things we do, and what people how.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
People behave, and how people live and how people act
in relationships and all of it has to do at
the core with who we are and what our priorities
are and what our choices are, and that stuff just has.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Always fascinated me. So I'm just fascinated by like.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
The human experience, and especially the feeling side of the
human experience, like the emotion side of it. And so
I think because of that, I'm just very aware, probably
too self aware and self analytical.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Again, all this is like a blessing and a curse.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
And then I think, I just fast me and so
I try to I want to optimize my mind, my body,
my heart, my everything so that I can I mean, again,
it sounds so cheesy, but like we're only here once.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Like I want to.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
Have the best life I can have and be the
most fulfilled and happy that I can be, and put
the best music out in the world that I can
put out.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
And so I just take all that really seriously, and
I am I don't know, It's just a drive.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
And a fascination for me, I think, and I pay
a lot of attention to my inner world because of that,
maybe too much, Like it can be seen as very
like selfish and self centered, but I know a lot
of artists kind of have that reputation. Sometimes I think
there is something in us that's like very introspective and.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Introverted by nature.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
So sometimes actually trying to like my fiance is like
the opposite of me, Like he shows me the world,
you know, and it's a good balance because you couldn't
have like world full of introverted introspective people.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
So when you're walking around, you're just like in your world,
like you're like, you're just is that what you're saying,
Like you're just like thinking about what you're processing it
and through your lens and like how this is affecting
your priorities in long term vision?
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Is that what you're kind of saying?
Speaker 5 (28:18):
I think so, I think I'm probably more focused on.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
The feeling side of things than everyone and everything that's
always going on. I don't know. I don't know really yet.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
It's kind of like trying to explain your own perception
of things. It's very difficult. I just know that what
I said about how I've kind of been like that
since I was a kid, I that's true for sure.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
So when you wake up, what's going through your brain?
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Like when you wake up in the morning, what.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Are what is your checklist of things that you want
to accomplish in that day.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Oh that's a great question.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
I want to ask you this thing too, But okay,
So on a typical day, I will meditate in the morning.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Love coffee.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
Coffee is like coffee is not like a caffeine deuice
for me, It's like a way of life.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
It's literally the most.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
Joyful thing ever to me. I love it so much.
I love that ritual. I usually work out or like,
we're on tour right now, so I'll do some stretching
and if we're in a pretty place like this, we
just went to, like a hiking trail, and then so
I'll try to get outside and get sun, do a
little sweat. It's really important on tour too. And then
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I'll do like brush up on some songs and stuff
before the show because Zach Brown they change their set
list every night, so I should also go back because
I never finished this part, but I ended up opening
for Zach Brown for a few years after that, and
I completely owe the career that I have to him,
because being on that first big tour got me slots
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on Jimmy Buffett and Kenny Chesney and Faith Ell and
Tim McGraw like that. Just led to me being able
to really start my live music career. But this year,
after opening for Zach Brown on it off for the
past three years, I'm actually a special guest in the band,
so I'm not opening, I'm playing.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Their set with them on stage.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
So that girl such a huge salute to you as
a musician, because those guys are no joke when it
comes to like, you know, playing instruments in their musicianship
and then as a band, and for him to like
want to include you in his band means that you
are a bad ass because like he's not gonna like
basit you, Like you have to be able to carry
your weight to hang with Zach Brown band.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
So that's the king I know.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
I mean you're yeah, I was when I got there.
He called me like out of the blue in June
and asked if I and I was, how did he
even this idea? Like, you know, a few years ago
they had Darryl Scott out. They've had special guests.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
Before, so he's done this with the band. I do
not think of myself on the same level.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
It was Darryl Scott, who's like a legend and just
an incredible multi instrumentalist, songwriter, but when it is not
easy to shock me.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Caroline.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
I was like, he was like, would you come out
and play, you know, banjo and guitar and B three
and sing with us?
Speaker 4 (31:19):
And I was like, I just couldn't believe it. I
was so excited.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
And since I'm so at the helm of my own career,
it's such a cool, refreshing gig to have, like to
be a cog in the wheel of someone else's, you know, band,
and and to really commit myself to learning their whole catalog,
like I had to learn fifty one songs, and because
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they changed their set list every night, and to really
dedicate myself to rhythm guitar playing, which is mostly what
I'm doing in the show.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
And that's such a.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
Like deceivingly simple thing, but like great acoustic rhythm guitar
playing is, especially in a band like this. It's just
been so fun to focus on that again and it's
just a blast.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
Like I feel so honored to be up there with them.
I pinched myself every night.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
I had to learn B three so I'd never I
played keys. I'm really comfortable playing keys, but I'd never
played the organ before, so i'd have like a crash
course because Zach was like, well you, He's like, you
played B three right, and I'm like no, but I
will by August fifth.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
So I like a crash course in B three. And
that's been so cool. So it's just a great musical challenge.
And I feel really lucky because I love musical challenges.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Like all I want in life is to become a
better musician songwriter, like producers, I just want to be
a better artist. And so it's so cool that Zach
has given me this opportunity.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
And so what does that feel like? What's the what
is the feeling?
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Because you've obviously played for big crowd as Caroline Jones
as you're saying open from big artists, what does it
feel like to be.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
To be feeling the feeling of a superstar artist?
Speaker 3 (33:10):
So like being on stage with Zach Brown in this band,
being an integral.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Part of the show.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
How does that feel to feel that superstar energy coming
at you from that audience?
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Is that is it different? Is it the same?
Speaker 5 (33:25):
Well, you're right, it is different because there's a real
like meeting of energy and expectation that you get when
you're the person that everyone comes to see, you know,
versus when you're an opener, you're really trying to win
over the audience with your energy, and so it is different.
But I've sat in with them over the years a
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bunch of times, so I know kind of what they're
poll setup in stages and what that feels like. But
I will say it's really cool to be to not
have to be the front man for once, because I
really get to focus on the guitar playing and the
singing and the harmonies and.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
The rhythm section. Like there's so much going on.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
It's hard to explain for people who I haven't ever
performed before, but there's so much going on, Like in
a band of that size of nine people, there's just
so much like musical richness and information that you could
be listening to all the time.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
But even if the audience.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
Weren't there, you'd be all occupied, like your brain and
your heart your musical like nerd, brain and heart.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
And then there's twenty five.
Speaker 5 (34:32):
Thousand people out there and they're all having similar but
unique experiences and you can watch, like the people.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Watching is unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
So it's actually so cool because when I'm performing as
the front person in Caroline Jones I'm you know, I'm
thinking about my vocal.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
I'm thinking about.
Speaker 5 (34:50):
Performing, I'm thinking about playing, I'm thinking about leading the band.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
I'm thinking about all these things. But this is a
totally different time. Yeah, exactly. And so it's been really cool.
Actually so far, I really enjoy it.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Were you nervous like that first night? And then you'll
play Finway Park? I mean, let's not forget that and Zach.
You played with Zach Brown when he had the most
consecutive sold out.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Nights or in a row, right, weren't you on that tour? Yeah? Okay,
so you're playing again.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
What is that like when that first time you step
on stage as a special performer guest band member for
this tour?
Speaker 2 (35:24):
What did you feel like?
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Did you like, were you just like energrise, butterflies flying
out your ears?
Speaker 2 (35:30):
I mean, what was it like?
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Yeah? Absolutely?
Speaker 5 (35:33):
I think I don't know if it's experience or age.
I feel like I'm more calm than I've ever been,
which is really cool because I remember the first tour
with Zach like, I literally every night I felt just
you can't explain what it's like being put in front
of ten or fifteen, twenty thousand people like I felt
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like someone had put me, like electrocuted me. Every night,
like I would just go on stage because there's my
first tour it and I would just literally like the
entire show, I would just feel like like I it
wasn't even it's beyond adrenaline.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
I don't know how to explain it. And I remember
when that wore off and I was like, oh my god,
maybe that won't last for ever. And it's just funny
because like four years later.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
I feel so much calmer on stage and probably less
nervous than I have been, which I think is cool
because maybe I'm becoming more confident or more able to
go with the flow. I used to be very like
I have to have the set down, I have to
have everything perfect, like judging every single thing. And there's
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a little bit of in this gig. First of all,
less of the weight is on you because you're not
the front person. And then secondly there's a little bit
there's a degree to which you just have to let
go because all those guys are have so decades and
decades more experienced collectively than I do, and they might
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change their cell list and they're gonna pull my hand
and take me along for the ride, and I just
feel lucky that they kind of take care.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Of me and take me out of their wings. So
it's actually been a really cool experience so far.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
But Fenway is always amazing, and I got to have
some family and friends there.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
It was really special.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
So out of every artist, obviously you are bad to
the bone.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
You're so talented, you have such a vision and you.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Deserve this spot and this opportunity more than anyone. But
why do you think Zach Brown chose you to take
you under his wing and develop you and bring you
along and give you these experiences and.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Really like mentor you as you said you dreamed of
part What do you think it was? What do you
think was the reason he picked you?
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Well?
Speaker 5 (37:48):
And actually Jimmy has been just as instrumental. Jimmy Buffett
has done similarly in.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
Party like those they really are well.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
I think they to answer your first question, why he
brought me out on this tour, Gosh, it's a weird
question to answer. I mean, obviously he thinks I can
add something. Hopefully I'm adding a cool female harmony that
they usually don't get up top and some hopefully just
really my goal with this tour is just like super solid,
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consistent rhythm guitar playing, or if I play banjo or
electric that it's very solid and consistent, just like adds
to the foundation of what they have because they have
so much virtuosity going on and their arrangements are so
set in stone, so clearly he thinks I can add something,
and I'm just trying to do that justice And you know,
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it's cool to have female energy out there too, I think.
And then Jimmy and Zach mentoring me. I think they
probably feel how serious I am about it, and how
how committed I am to not to like being famous
or being or like globbing onto them for that reason,
but like how much I genuinely care about this craft
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and like building a career this way, and how much
I admire them and respect them, like I hope they
and I think.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Probably they do feel that.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
What is Zach Black as a friend.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
He's a very interesting man, Like he's a he talked about,
a deep feeling person. He's like a very very deep
feeling person, very very smart, curious mind, like super into
different crafts like knife making and hunting and fishing, and
like he's a renaissance man. For sure, very creative and
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very deep feeling person and very loyal person.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Yeah, what is Jimmy Buffett like with a friend.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
Jimmy's like a big kid.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
He really is, like he's like a seventy five year
old in a like he's a seventy five year old body,
but I'd say, like men to me, he's probably like
a very wise, like twenty something year old. He's just
like he's so like and he has such a brilliant
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business brain, Like just a brilliant I mean, clearly look
at what he's done, but he has like a brilliant
marketing brain, business brain. But it's somehow all very authentic
to him, and that's very rare, Like it's very rare
to have that kind of entrepreneurial spirit that is so
genuine to you, you know.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
At the same time, I'm still having such a fun
like seemingly care free existence, you know, Like he's how
to like have a great life in the midst of
all this entertainment.
Speaker 5 (40:42):
That's what's funny, Annity, That's what's funny is that he's
like that is his brand and that is who he is,
so he just almost can't miss like any business idea
that's associated with that.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
Everyone's like I want some of that.
Speaker 5 (40:56):
You know, like give me what he's taken, whatever it is,
you know, because it's infectious.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
And so he really is like super playful.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
But he's also like very deep in a different way
than Zach, Like he's he loves How do I explain
the difference. He's like a lighter hearted person than Zach.
Zach's like super deep, serious person. Jimmy's like very lighthearted,
but he's also still a very deep feeling person. I
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haven't met an artist that's not like a deep feeling person,
you know, by being married to one.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Yes, yes, what about Kenny Chesney? Are you as close
with him as you are with.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
Jimmy and Zach? Not quite?
Speaker 5 (41:37):
But I do still consider Kenny a good friend, and
he's been so nice to me and always checks in
on me and so many other people. I mean, he's
like a big brother and mentor just so many artists.
That's something that I really admire about him, And being
on his tour was an incredible experience. Seen him a
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few times since then, and I would say Kenny is
like just such a sweet heart, Like he's such a
warm person, Like he makes everyone feel like they're the
most important person to him.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
He's very like That's how I can differentiate it. He's
like super warm and loving to everyone, like effusive almost, and.
Speaker 5 (42:27):
His stage presence like his is and I've never seen
anything like it, Like he didn't.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Like I've never been to one of his big arena shows.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
It's just I'd say I've only seen it live with
when I saw YouTube like it's it's He's just his
energy is so high.
Speaker 5 (42:50):
And he just I don't know how he can, Like
he brings the whole crowds energy up, like way up,
and most performers do that in one way or another,
but Kenny's just always moving and it's really.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Cool to watch. It's very unique.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
It's again being an opener being in a band is
such a cool vantage point because you get to see
like the little subtleties and subtle differences between all the performers.
But Kenny's just high energy. That's the only way I
can explain it.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
How would you describe your music in your sound.
Speaker 4 (43:23):
Yeah, that's a great question.
Speaker 5 (43:25):
I would say my music is definitely country pop, like
somewhere in that then diagram, but it has a lot.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
Of singer songwriter influence, and.
Speaker 5 (43:35):
I love pop production. I love like modern I'm a
real production nerd, so I love bringing some of those
sounds in. And then I would say my songs kind
of skirt the country singer songwriter popline, and I have
a bunch of influences. I think everyone in this day
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and age does. But I think that's probably the best descriptor.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
When someone leads your performance your show, what do you
hope that the feelings are that they take away with
them are? What do you hope they lead with when
they've seen you play? What do you hope they say, Oh,
such a good again?
Speaker 5 (44:13):
Like that's so important to think about as an artist,
you know, I hope that when people leave they feel inspired,
like truly inspired, like inspired to go do something that
they want to do or have an idea.
Speaker 4 (44:26):
For themselves, Like music gives you can give you such a.
Speaker 5 (44:29):
Sense of possibility, And I really hope that when people
leave my show they feel.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
Inspired and appreciative and like excited about their own potential.
That would be the ideal.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
So after like, I've watched a lot of her videos
and like I feel like I feel like I have
a lot of like insight into your music and you
as an artist, you seem to be super well and.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
From talking to you, you're super.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
Committed to like learning, and you're really it's like you
take learning as a challenge that you can't wait to
dive into, or like with me, like all these things
that you can't wait to learn, like the organ and
you've studied every single country music history, Like that feels
so daunting in my head, like so.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Much work and so hard. You you're like, oh my god,
love doesn't like you up, you know, Yes.
Speaker 5 (45:21):
I mean sometimes it is daunting and sometimes again, I
think this is where like knowing yourself and having your
priorities in order's important because I think especially when you
think about what other people know and have done, like
and start comparing yourself, I think that's when things get
really daunting, where you're like, you set some standard or
expectation of yourself based on other people's greatness or accomplishments
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or achievements, and then you start.
Speaker 4 (45:48):
To feel really overwhelmed. But I think if you can,
just if you can just center yourself and.
Speaker 5 (45:54):
Go back to the love of it and the passion
the excitement of it of being able to do X,
Y and Z, then you can have the energy and
the motivation to just put one foot in front of
the other and do the work. I remember, I can't
remember who. I think it was Jordan Peterson who had
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this really cool quote that he was talking about like
the goal of life is not to win the game,
it's to be asked to play, to be invited to play.
And that's something that I heard recently that I was like,
oh my god, that is actually so true, because it's
not always.
Speaker 4 (46:30):
About being the best.
Speaker 5 (46:32):
It's about like being invited to have these kind of
experiences that make you better, because there really is no
like destination, Like there's not like, especially in music, there's
not like a best musician.
Speaker 4 (46:43):
There are people who in my mind I think of
as the best musicians and someone else.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
You know, people to have different people that they thought
were the best. You're so right, it's so subjective to
a person.
Speaker 5 (46:53):
And then you start like measuring yourself against that standard
and how far away you are from that, and that's
like a real energy killer.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
Like that's when.
Speaker 5 (47:00):
Things feel daunting and you feel like, oh, like I'm
so far because as soon as you start beating up
on yourself, you have so much less mental space to motive,
to be motivated, and to actually go do some work.
Speaker 4 (47:13):
So the most important thing is to try to feel inspired.
But I loved that that.
Speaker 5 (47:18):
Like the point is to be invited to play with
the best players or any players, because you'll just get
better and better. And that's what I'm like trying to
discipline myself to do.
Speaker 4 (47:29):
Now.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
Speaking of discipline, I feel like discipline is a very
key part of who you are. You are very disciplined,
I feel like, is that true?
Speaker 5 (47:38):
Yes, I'm very, very disciplined. I think that probably is
my upbringing. I come from like a very a family
of really great work ethic and very like I'm I'm
very I'm tunnel vision when it comes to something.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
And that could be bad too, because you can miss things.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
You know, what was your family life like?
Speaker 4 (47:57):
Growing up?
Speaker 5 (48:00):
My family is super close, and so I was actually
kind of the loner in my family, like the creative
which is actually I highly recommend being a creative child
because every everyone would just start to be like, no,
that's just Caroline. She just does what she wants. She
just goes off by herself. So it actually worked out
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well for me. You have siblings, I do, Yeah, I
have three siblings. I have two sisters and one brother,
and yeah, I just think they're a very close, very
motivated like type a group of people, which.
Speaker 4 (48:37):
Is probably where I got my discipline from.
Speaker 3 (48:39):
Where do you fall in birth order? I'm the oldest,
You're the oldest. Okay, see, I have a fun you're
the youngest?
Speaker 4 (48:46):
Really? Wait are you? Do? You have brothers sisters?
Speaker 2 (48:49):
I have one older sister, but I feel like the youngest.
Speaker 3 (48:52):
Usually the one who like floats around and does whatever
they want and doesn't feel like the pressure to do.
But I guess you do have that discipline, so you
got you just put it.
Speaker 5 (49:00):
Towards like music, and you're Yeah, And I think I
think creativity saved me from like being the typical older child,
because for a while, I think I was more like
the perfectionist, and I still have a lot of perfectionism,
but I think I was more like a typical older child,
and then at some point my creativity took over.
Speaker 4 (49:21):
So I have a mixed personality.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
Okay, So you also seem like to me, you seem
like a really like natural pure soul. But I also
feel like in your music you talk a lot about
the sexy side of life, like you like get down
with the sexy side, which I love, so talk to
me about that, like, are you just a super like
feeling person And how did you know that your fiance
was the one, because like one of your songs are
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like I think it's called all the Boys, Yeah, and
it's like I'm friends with all the boys, but I
make love to you and I'm like, oh my gosh, no, Caroline, Yes, yes, okay,
I stee me some person.
Speaker 4 (50:00):
That's funny. I actually wrote that song a few years ago.
Speaker 5 (50:02):
Before I met my fiancee, and I originally wrote that song.
Speaker 4 (50:09):
About my sister because my sisters like the super outgoing,
more extroverted.
Speaker 5 (50:17):
Love, social situations and parties and that you know, she's
just much better at all that stuff than me. And
I would see that she was like friends with all
the boys and all the boys wanted her, and I
was like, how cool is that that?
Speaker 4 (50:28):
Like all the boys want you, but like you choose one.
And I was like, that's such a like sexy idea
for a song. So that's where that song came from.
But I do. I do. It's funny because.
Speaker 5 (50:41):
Especially artists like Jewel early On and Faith Hill and
Shy Toan just women who were not afraid to.
Speaker 4 (50:48):
Express like the spectrum of human emotion.
Speaker 3 (50:51):
And to point Caroline, because like, I feel like I
grew up kind of conservative. I have super wonderful open
mind of parents, but like I have been openly talking
about like having sex with people, you know, like I
was kind of its kind of.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
Nerve wracking to put that out there.
Speaker 3 (51:04):
So I was very impressed when you're like talking about
it in such a beautiful way, like you're like you're explaining.
Speaker 4 (51:11):
Yeah, and it is. It is. It's interesting.
Speaker 5 (51:14):
There's a lot of thoughts that are coming to my
mind about this because I also grew up relatively conservative.
My mom is very Catholic, and I actually think there's
something beautiful and kind of a lost art about a
certain aspect of conservativism, which is that like there is value,
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like great value in intimacy and love, and that like
it should be placed with great care. And I think
that like some of those values are I think they
really are important and like to raise your kids that way.
I think some of that has been lost a little bit.
But at the same time, you want to be able
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to express yourself as an artist, like the full spect
of you know, things, that you things that you only
share with one person, then you end up sharing in
your music because that's part of your emotional life, so
it is kind of a funny thing, and then other
people are able to see it and feel that for themselves.
Speaker 4 (52:16):
But I think it's really healthy for men and women
to see.
Speaker 5 (52:21):
That kind of because I feel like there's so much
sexuality expressed in music as very just in a different energy,
like in an aggressive energy, or in a casual energy,
or in like especially with men, or in a like
come get me energy, which is also really fun, and
I do that a lot too, but I think expressing
like the intimacy of real love and like what that
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actually feels like, and seeing a woman express that, like
I remember seeing Faith Hill's Breathe music video. It's just
like so beautiful to see and especially as a young girl.
Speaker 4 (52:54):
You I mean, of course you want to be.
Speaker 5 (52:57):
Beautiful like Faith Hill, but there's also this, like you
can see ash it feels like how that love makes
her feel. And I think it's good for young girls
to see that instead of like a more aggressive sexual
energy that I feel.
Speaker 4 (53:09):
Like is very prevalent now.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
So huh, I get that totally, And you actually have
a song called Intimacy where you did a whole.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
Dance number too, So what what was what was it?
What was this releasing?
Speaker 3 (53:23):
Was this happening when you met your fiance or were
you just coming in to yourself?
Speaker 5 (53:27):
Like I've always written the love songs way before I
met my fiance.
Speaker 4 (53:31):
I was writing love. I just I don't know. I've
always been super romantic.
Speaker 5 (53:35):
That way, like I can write them from other people's experiences,
I can write them from movies, like I could write
them dreaming about You're romantic.
Speaker 4 (53:44):
Very yeah, I'm very very romantic.
Speaker 5 (53:47):
And Intimacy was fun because after I wrote and that's
actually about being like afraid to open up, like afraid
of intimacy and afraid of that vulnerability. But that was
the first time that I'd ever danced in a music video.
Speaker 4 (54:00):
That was so fun.
Speaker 5 (54:01):
I just knew I wanted to. When I finished that song,
I was like, I have to do a dance. I
don't know why what made me think of that? And
that's a really cool music video, very different from me,
that I'm really proud of.
Speaker 3 (54:13):
I love that you pushed yourself in that way that
you're just like, I just want to dance I've never
done this for recording. I've only done it for fun
or myself and like, yeah, and you're really good at dancing,
thank you.
Speaker 4 (54:23):
I actually love.
Speaker 5 (54:24):
Dancing and I dance a little in my new music
video Come In. There's like a cool dance in the
second half of it.
Speaker 3 (54:33):
But definitely, but don't make yourself comfortable, like you're like
you're like sassy.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
What happens to the ones that you kick out?
Speaker 3 (54:39):
Because it sounds really intense, like when a guy when
you're like over a guy, it's like you don't want to.
Speaker 2 (54:44):
Be that guy when you're done.
Speaker 4 (54:46):
I see what you're saying that.
Speaker 2 (54:48):
What happens. What is the aftermath of being in your roadkill?
Speaker 4 (54:53):
Oh my god, I don't know. You'd have to ask
other people. I think.
Speaker 5 (55:01):
I'm just a zero or one hundred person, like I'm
either all in or.
Speaker 4 (55:05):
Like you're you don't need it.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
Yeah, yeah, okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (55:08):
So I know that ilm Off is like really harsh
and could again. This is why one of my nicknames
is Barbara Line. But I just that's how I am.
Speaker 5 (55:17):
I'm just like I'm just either like one hundred percent
or like I just don't care that much.
Speaker 2 (55:22):
So at least people always know where you stand.
Speaker 3 (55:24):
You know, I'd rather have that, not contiguity. You're not
making people mind read Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (55:34):
I mean I'm the same way.
Speaker 3 (55:35):
I over communicate so much and I like tell everything
how I feel constantly.
Speaker 2 (55:39):
I mean, not the same way.
Speaker 3 (55:40):
I'm sure we don't operate the same, but like I
am very much like, here are.
Speaker 2 (55:44):
My feeling, this is how I feel. Like I'm not
gonna be yes, I'm just gonna tell you.
Speaker 4 (55:51):
And it's nice then because.
Speaker 5 (55:54):
I think when you're able to do that, when you're
aware enough to do that, then people can.
Speaker 4 (55:58):
Give you another perspective that actually really helps.
Speaker 2 (56:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (56:01):
I just think a lot of people might be intimidated
by that and be like, oh, okay, you know, but then.
Speaker 4 (56:07):
When someone does. I think that's what was really different
for me about my fiances and.
Speaker 2 (56:11):
Yeah, what made him be the one?
Speaker 4 (56:14):
Oh my gosh, everything, he's so wonderful.
Speaker 5 (56:19):
So I've been really career focused for a really long time.
Speaker 4 (56:24):
And I mean I had a couple of.
Speaker 5 (56:26):
Relationships, but like I never really dated. I never really
was focused that way. Like, in fact, I kind of thought,
like I'm never going to get married, Like I'm just
going to be a musician, just going to be committed
to this, like I'll have my relationships when and if
they come and whatever. And so even though I was
really romantic, i'd kind of like I was very tunnel
vision career oriented.
Speaker 4 (56:46):
And just literally.
Speaker 5 (56:51):
Nick just like fell in my life out of the
blue during the pandemic. I could tell you, like the
whole sequence of events that caused it to happen, but
it's such Actually I will tell you someone I love
love I do too.
Speaker 4 (57:07):
But his mom okay, like a friend of his mom
high a friend of his.
Speaker 5 (57:16):
Mom showed his mom my music and she started following me,
and one day she just randomly sent one of my
videos to Nick and just wrote like I just like
see this as the kind of girl that you're gonna
end up with, and isn't that crazy? And then Nick
was like, okay, there's a you know, pretty singer. Whatever,
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thanks mom, whatever.
Speaker 4 (57:38):
Didn't think about it. And then over the next few months,
like I kept popping up in like his friend group
or I don't know, he would like see my name
or my face or whatever, and long story short, you
found out that there we had a mutual friend and
so he was like will you set me up with?
Speaker 5 (57:56):
Will you try to have me meet Caroline? And so
this friend that we have started texting me and said,
you know, because at first she was like, I don't know,
Carolyn doesn't really date. She's like super career focused, she's
always on tour. She I don't know if that's going
to happen, blah blah. And she was like, you know what,
you might be the only person that Caroline might actually like.
Speaker 4 (58:18):
So then she got.
Speaker 5 (58:19):
Really into it, and she started texting me like I
know who you're gonna marry, I know your husband, blah blah.
Speaker 3 (58:24):
And I was this is you were so in sync
with your like source, I'm telling you, well.
Speaker 4 (58:29):
Wait till you hear the rest of the Storyciaues. I
really wasn't.
Speaker 5 (58:32):
I was like whatever, Like I literally could not have
been less interested. And this is why I just have
so much faith that when something's right, you almost cannot
mess it up.
Speaker 4 (58:43):
Because I literally did everything I.
Speaker 5 (58:44):
Could to ignore my friend and Nick for maybe like
two and a half solid months, and finally she was like,
can I just give this guy your number? Like I'm
so sick of trying to do this. I'm so sick
You're trying to set you up on a date, and
then he started bothering me and blah lah, and so finally,
I'm just going to meet this person once so I
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can just tell Jane I did it. She won't think
I'm a horrible person.
Speaker 3 (59:08):
If you liked the way texted with you, Like did
you were you feeling it when he was texting or
was it kind of like.
Speaker 5 (59:13):
I wasn't in that place, Like I wasn't even remotely interested.
Speaker 2 (59:19):
Did you think it waste some pictures?
Speaker 4 (59:22):
I didn't even she sent me pictures of him.
Speaker 5 (59:24):
I didn't like look twice like okay, And so then
I literally did it as like a last just cross
off the.
Speaker 4 (59:35):
Checklist and then be down at the city's person.
Speaker 5 (59:37):
Doesn't bother me anymore, Tyler, can you tell him sorry?
Speaker 4 (59:43):
And so finally I met.
Speaker 5 (59:45):
I was like, I'll meet this person one day, and
we met, and that was kind of it. I swear
it was like it was we weren't. It wasn't like
love at first sight, but it was like we were
best friends.
Speaker 4 (59:57):
Like write it just like talking for hours and hours
and hours hours and just fell in love very quickly
after that, And like God could not have if you.
Speaker 5 (01:00:06):
Scripted, like the perfect person for me. You could not
come up with this person. Well, he's a sailor, like
sailing boats. So yeah, so he sails around the world offshore.
Speaker 4 (01:00:19):
Are you with him? He doesn't do it as much anymore.
Speaker 5 (01:00:22):
He used to do these Volvo around the world races,
so now he does like shorter, smaller races because those
were really really intense, and he did four. They're like
year long races where you literally sail from like Africa
to Spain and Spain to where like just around the
whole world.
Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
You're super abstract in your life plans, which I love.
Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
So he's a sailor.
Speaker 5 (01:00:47):
He's a perfect blend, Like I would need someone exactly
like this, Like he's a perfect blend of very smart
and very emotionally aware, but also so super sane and practical,
and like that's a very hard blend to find in
a man because normally, like the really smart manly stable,
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practical men are not like emotional will yeah exactly, And
so he's just like a perfect blend of that for me.
And he just has the biggest heart. I mean, I
could go on about him forever. I love him so much.
I felt as my dad said, I folded like a
cheap suit. I just felt so hard. I really found
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the one. I'm so lucky.
Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Yeah, yeah, that's so awesome. Okay, yeah, so I'm gonna
wrap up soon. I love talking to you.
Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
When when you look back on your life and you
are Jimmy Buffett at seventy five years old, reflecting back
on your career, what do you hope it played out like?
Maybe not exactly play by play, but what do you
hope the general feeling of your life has been?
Speaker 4 (01:01:55):
My gosh, what these are such great questions.
Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (01:02:00):
I hope that I can say that I really fulfilled
my potential as a musician and a creative person, and
that I inspired people along the way, and not just
my audience, but hopefully other musicians and other creative people
that I got to collaborate with.
Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
That I enriched their life and inspired them in some way.
Speaker 5 (01:02:21):
And I hope I made a mark that way, like
in the music community as an artist. And then I
hope that I really adventured properly. And because that's something
that Nick has really opened me up to. Is it
like there's more to life than than just like constantly
working towards bettering yourself, but like, there's so much richness
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in the world and if you have the opportunity to
travel like we do. I spent most of last year
in New Zealand because of him.
Speaker 4 (01:02:54):
Oh my god, it was unbelievable in New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (01:02:58):
Okay, So, like six weeks after we met, he had
to move to New Zealand for a year to sail
in the America's Cup and.
Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
New Zealand was like the only country.
Speaker 5 (01:03:08):
That didn't have COVID and the borders were closed, but
there was exemptions for like spouses and wives and families
at the sailors. So I got to go over, and
all my tours had been canceled. I was supposed to
be touring with Lucas Nelson. Like I'm telling you, this
whole thing was such a god thing. But I got
to go over because I had nothing to do. I
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was like, I'm not going to be touring this year,
so I mean, as well, if I'm going to make
a record, I can make it in New Zealand. And
I just moved to New Zealand and we stayed there
for seven months, and it was so unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
But you for seven months in New Zealand with him.
Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
We're I was frolicking in like mad bliss of love
and the most beautiful country in the world.
Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
Yes, exactly, that's exactly what it was.
Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
And it is kind of a board on the build
your relationship on.
Speaker 5 (01:03:59):
Yeah, And it was because I didn't know one person there,
like Nick was the only I literally like moved across
the world and Nick was the only person I knew.
Speaker 4 (01:04:08):
Like I'm very.
Speaker 5 (01:04:09):
Lucky that I was sure about him, you know, like
because it sounds like a reckless thing to do, but
I was like nothing was going to stop me. And
it was because we didn't have our families, friends, any like,
no distractions. We just got to know each other so well.
Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
And you got to normal life because there was no COVID.
Did you get to like move freely about the country.
Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
It was, I mean so lucky the one place that
really had no COVID.
Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
Like if they have beautiful, like clean place in the world,
it's like super uninhibited.
Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
In so many areas.
Speaker 5 (01:04:43):
Yeah, well that's what's so cool about New Zealand. First
of all, the people are so you don't realize like
how uptight you are as an America until you go somewhere.
Speaker 4 (01:04:52):
Else and then you're like, why do I talk so fast?
And why am I was.
Speaker 5 (01:04:54):
Like, you know what, you're so Yeah, they just don't
take themselves as seriously and they have the best sense
of humor. They remind me because I'm half Australian. My
mom's Australian, so they remind me of my Australian cousins.
It's just like so cool and down to earth and
practical and just fun. And then it's I think part
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of the reason that it's still so beautiful is because
the population is so small, like there's only five million
people in the entire country, and so there's you can
be in Auckland, which is where we were based, and
you can drive an hour in any direction and be
where there are no people, like on a beach with
no people, and you just't can't have that in America anymore.
Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
So it's really cool, so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
There, what an experience, Like what a time it was.
Speaker 4 (01:05:51):
Yeah, and I'm about to so my next album.
Speaker 5 (01:05:54):
I don't want to give away too much, but my
next album is a lot about my time in New Zealand,
and a lot of the videos were filmed in New Zealand,
and I have a song coming out next month that
has a lot of like handmade iPhone footage of Nick
and I and our adventures in New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
So oh my god, I love it. Call Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
I love the way you're living your life is so inspiring,
and I hope anyone listening like can have a little
faith that like trusting your gut, trusting your passion, trusting
your intuition, knowing your priority, as you said, can really
guide you to a beautiful wife, and like knowing where
you want to go.
Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
But then, like you also said, holding it openly and
letting the pieces fall like that takes a lot of Yeah,
to live like that, you know it does, And.
Speaker 5 (01:06:37):
There's so much that we can't control, so it's hard,
especially it's the control freak. But I do really strongly
believe that there's no one who couldn't better their life
by paying more attention to their inner world and making
like their happiness and fulfillment a higher priority.
Speaker 4 (01:06:56):
On in their life.
Speaker 5 (01:06:57):
Like there's no one who can't have a better day
to day if they do that. And I know there's
so many people living so many different challenges and different things,
but like, everyone can do that.
Speaker 4 (01:07:08):
And I think it'll pay off pays off.
Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
So I always end You've kind of like been inspiring
this whole time, But I always end with leave your light, and.
Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
It's super open ended. What do you want people to know?
Speaker 5 (01:07:24):
Oh my gosh, Well, I'm going to speak to myself too,
because I always it's not like I know this and.
Speaker 4 (01:07:33):
Everybody else does it. Like I'm trying to learn this
every day.
Speaker 5 (01:07:36):
But I really wish that people knew, and that I
knew all the time, that we are fundamentally good and
right and we should operate from that place instead of
that something is wrong with us and that we're lacking.
Speaker 4 (01:07:52):
We constantly have to be making up for it. That
we're good and right and we're meant to have a
beautiful life and we're meant to.
Speaker 5 (01:07:58):
Feel good, and we're meant to trust ourselves, and we're
allowed to trust ourselves. Like I always try to remind
myself of that, because I do. I think it inherently
we are good and right.
Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
Caroline, You're so inspired and whise you must have sweet
be a very old soul. You've been around for many lifetimes.
I can tell you know you know a lot of stuff.
You've got a lot of wisdom.
Speaker 4 (01:08:21):
Thank you very much. I love I love this top.
This is so cool.
Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
I loved it too, and I'm so glad to get
to know you on this level. And I'm sure our
past will continue to cross because.
Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
Yeah, please, I would love to meet you in person.
Let's do it.
Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
You come to Nashville office.
Speaker 4 (01:08:37):
Yeah, yeah, well I live in Nashville part time.
Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Oh okay, Well yeah, when you're here, just hit me up.
Speaker 4 (01:08:44):
I will.
Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
I'm here all the time.
Speaker 4 (01:08:47):
Awesome. Well I'm going to be watching I'm gonna be
there next week. Well we should hang out. I would
love that.
Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
I love that. Bye.
Hey, y'all, it's Caroline Hobby and we will not be
having a new episode of Get Real Podcast this week.
This Monday, I am going to bring back one of
my favorite episodes with Caroline Jones. She is the only
female on the Zach Brown band. She's about to deliver
her baby. I interviewed her right when her life was
popping off, so to go back and listen to where
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she was, I think it was like almost two years ago,
and where she is now, it's just she's moved at
lightning speed.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
So I just love Caroline so much.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Her journey's been amazing, and I want y'all to go
back memory lane, walk back memory lane with me on
this one, because she's come so far and she's such
a shining bright light. I loved this is when I
first got to know her and it was the start
of a great friendship for us. And to see her
grow and evolve has been just nothing short of electrifying.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
So here is Caroline Jones, and.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
I'll be back next week with a fresh new episode
of Get Real Podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Caroline, she's a queen and talking song.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
You know, she's getting really not afraid to faxisod, so.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Just let it blow, no one can do we quid
Caroline is sound of Caroline? Hello, Caroline Jones, Hi, Caroline Hobby,
how are you so good? I love talking to fellow
Caroline's Do you get to like Caroline all the time?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
People call you Carolyn all the time.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
People are like, is it Caroline or Caroline?
Speaker 5 (01:36):
And I don't really understand because Carolyn, why clearly?
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Why nd right?
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Yeah, it's so obviously why n so if it's I any,
I don't understand why.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
That's confusing to people. But people always say is it
Caroline or Caroline?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I know, and we have the word line in our name.
I'm like, it's actually the word.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
I'm with you, Yes, I do get that along.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
But do you also love being a Caroline?
Speaker 4 (02:01):
I do. I like the name Caroline.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
And actually we just played friend way ten days ago
when we played Sweet Caroline, and I love that song.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I do too.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
I mean, I know, I know it's very cliche, but
it's cliche for reason. It's such a great lyric and
beautiful song. And I actually love Neil.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Diamond, so oh yeah, I I feel like Caroline. There's
like it's like a common name, but it's not a
common name. There's a lot of us, but I also
feel like we're spare, like sparse. No, I don't feel
like there's an overwhelming amount of Carolines out there.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
But it's not like a weird name, you know.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Yeah, I like it. I'm used to it. What can
I say?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
What's your nicknames? What if people call you for her nickname.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
CJ cd Eline Jones, Yeah, you've always been CJ.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
I think so. Yeah, I think I've always been CJ.
And then my fiance calls me Barbara.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Line, Barbara Line, Barbie.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
Like a Barbarian. But Barbara Line, do you find that sexy?
I wouldn't say I find it endearing. I don't know
about seeing it's mostly poking fun at me.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Is that like? What does that mean? Is it because
you're just so active and like you can really just
rock it.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
I suppose I can be a little bit abrasive or blunt.
I'm kind of I can be very honest in a
way that maybe people aren't used to and.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
I, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
I guess I I'm unique in certain ways that other
people find funny or bizarre.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
You elaborate this is interesting, Well.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
I guess I'm trying to think how it started he
probably called me barbaria line.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Yeah, the way, like some examples would be if.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
I'm not that into a party or social setting, like
I'll just I just tend to like up and leave
or something like that. Or and I don't it doesn't
occur to me that that's not right, that's not You're.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Like the queen.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
What you're the queen of that? He'll billy slip.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
I am a little bit.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
Yeah, And and I used to just do it when
I was single. I used to just do it, not
even think twice. And then when I have someone with
me now he's like, what the heck? Like just things
like that, he started calling me barbaria line. And I
think the way that I eat sometimes I just.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Shovel things, shovel things in like a barbarian.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
So when you're shows up, you are like hit after it,
like it is like game on?
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Sorry, wait repeat your question?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
When your food shows up? Is it like game on?
Speaker 4 (04:38):
If I'm hungry, yeah, I'm very protective of it. And
also I get very hungry.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
So if if I'm very hungry, I think he just
calls me a barbaria.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Line because I'm I'm I can be very tough. I
can be a little bit abrasive, which.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Is funny because I feel like my music is not
necessarily like that.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
But I'm really not.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
I think when you I think I'm a very independent minded,
fiery person. And I also think when you start to
run your own business, like as an independent artist, you
have to become a bit like that and develop your
strength that way. So but sometimes it's misplaced. That's that's
where the humor of it comes in. Is sometimes like
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that fire is misplaced and people are like, whoa what?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
So that does make sense?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
So you have been an individual you are You're signed
to Jimmy Buffett's label, right or you were or you
are yea.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
I have a distribution deal with him, so he distributes
my music, but we have a deal where I actually
own all my music and have all the creative control
over it, which I'm really lucky to have.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
I know that most artists don't have that luxury.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
But I've been working with my business partner and manager
and co producer, Rick wake Now for about five years,
and we.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Have a really sounds of big names like Mariah Carey
beyond that's kind of huge.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Yeah, yeah, just some up and comers. Yeah, he worked
at Sony in the nineties and two thousands and helped
discover Mariah. He worked with Whitney Houston, Celine Dion, He's
worked with I mean j Low.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
He did her first album, The.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
Whole kind Of Latin Explosion, with Shakira and Mark Anthony
and everyone Ricky Martin at that time. So he has
a lot of experience across a lot of different genres
of music, including countries centricat Yearwood and folks like that.
And I met him about five years ago when we
started working together and just have built this career and
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this body of work that we're still working out to
have an album coming out later this fall, and I'm just.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Really proud of what we're building.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
He really believes in me as an artist and my
vision for my career, for myself, and he's kind.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Of my ride or died my right hand man.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Okay, So how did you get started? And did you
always want to be an independent artist because you're in
you grew up in New York and up north, and
did you how did you find country music? You play
like seven instruments, right, am I missing?
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Like?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Is it like you?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Guitar, doughbro, mandolin, harmonica, I mean you're correct.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
Yeah, I don't play mandolin, but I do play quite
a few instruments.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
I want to play mandolin. I think that's such a
cool instrument.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
And I've recently gotten more into bluegrass living in New
Zealand and collaborating with a bluegrass band there, and that
now being with Zach Brown band.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
They actually have a lot of bluegrass influence.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
But to go back to the origin of your question,
I grew up in the Northeast. I did not grow
up to listening to country music at all. I grew
up listening to a lot of classic rock, soul, R
and B, the Devas of the nineties. I grew up
listening to Mariah Carey and Wyney Houston and Barber stuisand
and then when I was I started writing songs really young,
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and writing poems and stories. I was just acid writer,
and I would write these poems and stories.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
And as soon as.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
I realized that I could put those poems and stories
to music and make songs, I was like, this is
it for me at a very young age. And so
I was making some demos up in New York, kind
of like in the summers in between school school years,
and my manager at the time. I got a manager
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when I was around like sixteen seventeen. He was setting
me up with a producer up north and he said,
you know, there's some country singer songwriter influence in your music.
And I was like what, and he was like yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
And literally the.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
Extent of country music I knew was like some George
Strait and then Faith Hill and Shania Twain because everyone
in every nineties.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Kid, oh, you know Faith Hill and Twain.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
And he was like, and you know what, country is
kind of the last genre left that really like prizes
the things that you're in to, like songwriting and musicianship
and being authentic and having artistic integrity.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
And even at a young age.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
I felt like I was on a vision quest towards
all those values in my music. And he was like,
you know, pop music just isn't is centered around that
community and those values. And so I went down to
Nashville when I was seventeen. I went to a show
at the Bluebird Cafe and it was a totally life
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changing experience for me.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
I just felt like I'd been struck by lightning. I
felt like I'd found the missing piece of my artistry.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
I just had had no idea that there was an
entire genre of music, a community of people like minded
in those musical values like an authenticity and the stories
behind the songs, because I had loved like Jewel and
Bob Dylan and Joni Mitchell and vuh one storytellers, and
I was into that whole like folks singer songwriter thing.
But the fact that there was a whole modern comemmercial
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genre of music that still had roots in those values
but had all the bells and whistles of modern commercial music,
which is country music, was really really exciting to me.
And so when I went to that show at the Bluebird,
I became obsessed. And I went all the way back
to Hank Williams and Jimmy Rodgers and the Carter family,
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like starting in the forties, and I just listened to
all the country music ever.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
And I mean, I don't want to say nobody tests me.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
I haven't listened to all the country music ever, but
I did listen to all the major artists over all
the decades of country music and just fell in love
with it, and fell in love with the lineage and
the stories and the history of it and the richness
of it, and love that it's a genre that has
been built and pioneered by real rebels and renegades and
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people with different sounds. Like if you go back and
we think of it as such a traditional, conventional genre,
but like there was nothing traditional or conventional about Willie
Nelson or the Carter family or Hank Williams or Johnny
Cash like or Dolly Parton, Like these are total trailblazing
rebels and I love that. And there's just so much
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artistic courage that has built this genre. And so just
over the years, country just like led its way into
my songwriting. And I'm not traditional country by any stretch,
but I love country music and I feel like it
was the missing piece of me finding my sound.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
So then what happened?
Speaker 4 (11:30):
You fall in love? You're at the Bluebird, you.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Obsess, you learn all this suff about everything, and then
what's next?
Speaker 4 (11:38):
So then at least you.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
I can't believe right now, it is so cool you
are on tour with Zach Brown, but you're like on
tour with him with his band, Like it's like you
and Zach Brown.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
It's not like you're opening for Zach Brown.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
It's like you are on stage with Zach Brown and
the Zach Brown Band performing and singing.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I mean, that's so badass.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
It is so cool. Even when you say it, I'm like, dang,
we do.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
I love hearing people's journeys. How did and like, how
did this happen? Like what a crazy, awesome opportunity for life.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
It really is.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Well, quite a few things happened before this, But I
started writing and working with writers and producers in Nashville
in my late teens, and I loved I mean, I
just worshiped the songwriters in Nashville and the musicians in
Nashville and producers like they're my musical heroes. But I
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realized at a really young age that if you don't
really know who you are, it's tough to sound like
yourself when you get in those rooms. Because those writers
and producers are so well practiced in creating commercial country
music that.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
It can be tempting to just.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Kind of become oh role with what's working, what's happening.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Yeah, and to become kind of like a carbon copy
of what's going on and kind of a paint by
numbers artists. And at a young age, I just really
I wanted to be the producer, you know, I wanted
to be as good or not be the producer necessarily,
even though I do co produce now, but to be
I wanted to hold my own musically and not just
be like a pretty girl who sang.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
You know.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
I wanted to be a great musician. I wanted to
be a truly great songwriter and a great producer. And
I recognized how big the chasm was.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Between like my experience level and my skill.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
Level and theirs, and so I just like fully committed
to writing and producing my own records for a while
in New.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
York and touring around.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
I would book my own tours at these like high
schools and colleges and boarding schools for a few years,
and I really spent my early twenties just like handmaking
my albums.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
I had no manager, no marketing team, nothing like, no
one but me, and.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Spent my early twenties touring around schools and trying to
get my feet wet, playing live and learning how to
produce my own records and total trial by fire and
probably took a lot longer than it would have if
someone was showing me how to do it.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
But that guy I had her own devices, which was good.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
You got to do it your own way, because maybe,
like you said, someone else could have tried to influence
you and you knew you didn't want that.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Well, that's what ends up happening for good reason, because
those those people are super experienced and super talented. I
just always wanted to have a voice and be able
to hold my own and I feel like you really
have to pay your dues to be able to do that,
and this was just my particular way of doing that.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
And then so after doing that for a few years, that's.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
When I met Rick and we made the album that
would become Their Feet, and he loved my sound, he loved.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
My vision, he loved what I was doing. And I'd
never had that before.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
I'd never had I'd had people come on and say, oh,
you're so talented, let's try this or this or this
or this, but I've never had someone come in and say,
I get what you're doing, I get who you are,
what you're trying to become, and I want to help you.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Make that vision happen and come to fruition.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
And that is really invaluable to some to find someone
who believes in what you were trying to create, as
opposed to someone who sees your potential and then wants
to create you in their you know, their image or
division that they have.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
And I would say, like a little bit after my.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
First single came out, a friend of a friend played
it for Zach Brown.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Oh okay, that's a good friend.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
Yeah, exactly, and Zach just reached out to me. This
was twenty late twenty sixteen, early twenty seventeen, and this
was your album called which one bare Feet. This was
actually before Barefeet was even out. I had a single
and I think I had an EP out.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
He got out telling me that you had produced yourself.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
Yeah, that was my first EP that I produced with
Rick Wake. So this was my first like official country
pop release. No, but I'm saying that Brown got Did
he get the one before bear Feet? So it was
one that you had produced alone?
Speaker 4 (16:15):
No, he got bare Feet got I gotta got it?
Speaker 5 (16:19):
And because the Highway was playing Tough Guys at the time,
and I guess a friend of a friend had heard
it and played it for him, and he reached out
to me just totally unnecessarily just being super hospitable and
kind and warm, and.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
It's also just a god that It's just one of
those things you can't really explain rationally.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
And he reached out to me and said that he
liked it and if I needed help or I remember
he called me once and like Zach Brown came up
on my phone for the first time.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
What I know.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
So this the total random happenstance that, like Zach Brown
is in your life.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
It actually did did happen pretty randomly. I mean, we
did have that friend of a friend connection initially, but
then all the.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Events that followed that were he did not have to
do any of that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
So he asked me to come out and open two
dates on his twenty seventeen Welcome Home tour.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
And I thought I'd died and gone to heaven.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
And I came out that it was a weekend in June,
and I came out and I'd never played for a
crowd that big before, and I came out and played,
and on the second night of the run, the last
night of the run, he asked me to come up
and sing a song with them on stage, and like
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I said, I'd never played for.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
That many people before, let alone. Now I'm playing on
stage with Zach Bround Band.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
And I can't really describe to people what it feels
like when an actual dream comes true, like something that
you've actually visualized in your mind and dreamed of and
then the actual moment is happening and it's extremely surreal
and it gives you such a faith in three lights,
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like how yeah, and how beautiful life can be?
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Like how literally if you.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
I mean it all sounds so cliche and so cheesy,
but it's cliche for a reason, because if you like
hold a vision in your mind and just work towards
it and just don't give up, and then you have
those little moments along the way that you're like, oh
my god, you know, it's so special.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
What was the vision you were holding that came true?
Was it to be with Zach Brown or was it
just to be like playing for that many people? Like
what had you been holding in your mind? And are
you big about like manifestation and visualizing and like what
is your spiritual realm life like to like get you
to these dreams?
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Oh god, don't get me started on that. I know,
I love it.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
This is my favorite thing to talking about.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Everyone thinks I'm such a hippie, but I like to
apply it practically. I think Okay, So to answer your.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
Question, I've always dreamed about playing in front of thousands
and thousands of people, and specifically I dreamed about having
a career and mentors in a career that were artists
where I could really grow myself as a songwriter, as
an artist, like as an authentic.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Artist of integrity that would have a long career.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
So the fact that I've been able to have mentors
like Zach and Jimmy Buffett and Kenny like people who
have decades long careers, because that's what I want.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
I'm not.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
I've never been about like quick fame or like the
biggest radio song right away or any of that. Like
I really want to build a fan base and a
career and a body of work over the course of
my life that fulfills me and is true to who
I am as an artist and helps me grow as
an artist and hopefully inspires an audience, you know, and
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I really believe that, like in this time more than
any other time, you will find your audience. Like if
you have a nique sound and you're true to it,
and you're one hundred percent committed and authentic to that,
like you might not find the biggest audience, but like
you will find your audience because.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Of the Internet in this day and.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
Age, like you just got to keep doing your thing,
and I see it with so many inspiring artists now.
So I had dreamed a lot about having artists take
me under their wing, and I dreamed about being on
a tour like Zach Brown's tour opening up for a
big artist for years before I got to do it.
And so I think, to answer your question, of course,
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visualization I think is a great tool. I just try
to also leave things very open, because I don't like
trying to set too many specific high goals that get
you too anxious and too obsessed with like how things
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work out externally, because I just think there's so much
can't control and there's and you don't want to set
your standard for yourself according to like how other people
in the world perceives you. I think that's like a
really slippery slope, especially in this industry, because this industry
is mostly focused.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
On how other people perceive you.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
And I think that that's a real like track for creativity,
and it just kills creativity and it kills your humanity.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
And I see.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
That that's a real problem for a lot of famous
people and that. So I try to, yes, definitely like
visualize and dream and all these things, but I try
to just focus on putting one foot in front of
the other, working really hard and being completely true to myself,
and I think all that pays off.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
So how do you know what your next step is?
Speaker 3 (21:58):
I always love people like you who are so in
tune with like their guide, their guidance system from above,
and like trusting their gut and intuition. And clearly you
have identified your dreams and talents and your drive and
your passion at a.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Young age, like you have known what you wanted to
do for a long time.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
And the more puzzles that the pieces that you found,
like the Bluebird and realizing it's country music, like you
just dive farther and farther into your passion and curiosity.
I love because I feel like that's the soul of
guiding you. But how do you know when you have
the green light to take that next step?
Speaker 2 (22:36):
When you are trusting?
Speaker 3 (22:38):
And I love what you said holding it open, letting
it like having your visualization what your heart and your
soul is telling you that you want to do. But
then like letting the pieces fall. I love that so much.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
I relate to that. How do you know when it's
time to make a move, Like, what.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Does it feel like when you are all of a sudden, like,
oh my god, this is the next step.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
I feel it.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
I think it feels like the most natural thing. Like
I think so many people just don't trust themselves and
don't trust what feels good to them because we're not
really taught in this culture that what feels good to
you is right, you know, like or that being happy
and fulfilled is ultimately the goal. You know, we're taught
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that all these other trappings of success or the goal.
So I think once you get really clear about your priorities,
I think the next step is usually pretty obvious and natural.
And I think it's only when I get my priorities
out of order that I get confused and unsure of myself,
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Like when other people convince you that this should be
a priority, this, or you realize that you're living for
this or this or this instead of your values. Like
I think, if you're really clear about your values and
what you actually want, then you can go. And that's
not to say that any external success trappings are wrong,
because if that is your priority and that is your goal,
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then you just go straight ahead that and that has
its own challenges too, But I think being clear, I
think so many of us, especially women, are like so
so commonly second guessing ourselves, you know, and not trusting
ourselves and not like really living for what's going to
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fulfill us and then by extension everyone around us.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
So this is awesome that you know all this.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
How did you get this, your sweet How did you
get this confidence? Have you gone to a lot of
therapy to get this or were you born into a family.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
That like taught this or was just this innately? How
you work? Like how did you know this? And then
what are your priorities?
Speaker 3 (24:50):
And like what is your clarity that allows you to
stay moving on this goal without like looking left to
right and feeling like you might get lost in the
traffic comparison or trying to live for what someone else wants,
or feeling like you have to like how does how
you not gotten sidetracked by all of that and stay
clear on your priorities during your career because I'm sure
there's a lot of chances that you could have tried
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to jump ship and like abandon the road you're on
and kind of go more mainstream, or you know, do
something that feels like it could be quicker to like success,
but you have stayed so true.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
So like, what are your priorities and how did you
learn these?
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Well, I'm very stubborn for better and worse, like worse.
I don't want to sugarcoat it, like it can also
be really bad, not bad.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
But it can be.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
It can take you longer to learn things when you're
as stubborn as I am, But lots of lots of
people are stubborn and you just have to know your
way around that.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
I think I've always been a seeker.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
I've always been I was like a very spiritual, existential child.
I was fascinated by I mean, feelings are the currency
of music and art. So I'm like a very deeply feeling, sensitive,
curious person. And I think when I was a teenager,
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I got really interested in psychology, spirituality, all these kind
of things that we're talking about. To me, it's always
been in lockstep with music too, because music, like songs
are about why.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
We do the things we do, and what people how.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
People behave, and how people live and how people act
in relationships and all of it has to do at
the core with who we are and what our priorities
are and what our choices are, and that stuff just has.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Always fascinated me. So I'm just fascinated by like.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
The human experience, and especially the feeling side of the
human experience, like the emotion side of it. And so
I think because of that, I'm just very aware, probably
too self aware and self analytical.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Again, all this is like a blessing and a curse.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
And then I think, I just fast me and so
I try to I want to optimize my mind, my body,
my heart, my everything so that I can I mean, again,
it sounds so cheesy, but like we're only here once.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Like I want to.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
Have the best life I can have and be the
most fulfilled and happy that I can be, and put
the best music out in the world that I can
put out.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
And so I just take all that really seriously, and
I am I don't know, It's just a drive.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
And a fascination for me, I think, and I pay
a lot of attention to my inner world because of that,
maybe too much, Like it can be seen as very
like selfish and self centered, but I know a lot
of artists kind of have that reputation. Sometimes I think
there is something in us that's like very introspective and.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Introverted by nature.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
So sometimes actually trying to like my fiance is like
the opposite of me, Like he shows me the world,
you know, and it's a good balance because you couldn't
have like world full of introverted introspective people.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
So when you're walking around, you're just like in your world,
like you're like, you're just is that what you're saying,
Like you're just like thinking about what you're processing it
and through your lens and like how this is affecting
your priorities in long term vision?
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Is that what you're kind of saying?
Speaker 5 (28:18):
I think so, I think I'm probably more focused on.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
The feeling side of things than everyone and everything that's
always going on. I don't know. I don't know really yet.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
It's kind of like trying to explain your own perception
of things. It's very difficult. I just know that what
I said about how I've kind of been like that
since I was a kid, I that's true for sure.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
So when you wake up, what's going through your brain?
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Like when you wake up in the morning, what.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Are what is your checklist of things that you want
to accomplish in that day.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Oh that's a great question.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
I want to ask you this thing too, But okay,
So on a typical day, I will meditate in the morning.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Love coffee.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
Coffee is like coffee is not like a caffeine deuice
for me, It's like a way of life.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
It's literally the most.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
Joyful thing ever to me. I love it so much.
I love that ritual. I usually work out or like,
we're on tour right now, so I'll do some stretching
and if we're in a pretty place like this, we
just went to, like a hiking trail, and then so
I'll try to get outside and get sun, do a
little sweat. It's really important on tour too. And then
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I'll do like brush up on some songs and stuff
before the show because Zach Brown they change their set
list every night, so I should also go back because
I never finished this part, but I ended up opening
for Zach Brown for a few years after that, and
I completely owe the career that I have to him,
because being on that first big tour got me slots
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on Jimmy Buffett and Kenny Chesney and Faith Ell and
Tim McGraw like that. Just led to me being able
to really start my live music career. But this year,
after opening for Zach Brown on it off for the
past three years, I'm actually a special guest in the band,
so I'm not opening, I'm playing.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Their set with them on stage.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
So that girl such a huge salute to you as
a musician, because those guys are no joke when it
comes to like, you know, playing instruments in their musicianship
and then as a band, and for him to like
want to include you in his band means that you
are a bad ass because like he's not gonna like
basit you, Like you have to be able to carry
your weight to hang with Zach Brown band.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
So that's the king I know.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
I mean you're yeah, I was when I got there.
He called me like out of the blue in June
and asked if I and I was, how did he
even this idea? Like, you know, a few years ago
they had Darryl Scott out. They've had special guests.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
Before, so he's done this with the band. I do
not think of myself on the same level.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
It was Darryl Scott, who's like a legend and just
an incredible multi instrumentalist, songwriter, but when it is not
easy to shock me.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Caroline.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
I was like, he was like, would you come out
and play, you know, banjo and guitar and B three
and sing with us?
Speaker 4 (31:19):
And I was like, I just couldn't believe it. I
was so excited.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
And since I'm so at the helm of my own career,
it's such a cool, refreshing gig to have, like to
be a cog in the wheel of someone else's, you know, band,
and and to really commit myself to learning their whole catalog,
like I had to learn fifty one songs, and because
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they changed their set list every night, and to really
dedicate myself to rhythm guitar playing, which is mostly what
I'm doing in the show.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
And that's such a.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
Like deceivingly simple thing, but like great acoustic rhythm guitar
playing is, especially in a band like this. It's just
been so fun to focus on that again and it's
just a blast.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
Like I feel so honored to be up there with them.
I pinched myself every night.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
I had to learn B three so I'd never I
played keys. I'm really comfortable playing keys, but I'd never
played the organ before, so i'd have like a crash
course because Zach was like, well you, He's like, you
played B three right, and I'm like no, but I
will by August fifth.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
So I like a crash course in B three. And
that's been so cool. So it's just a great musical challenge.
And I feel really lucky because I love musical challenges.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Like all I want in life is to become a
better musician songwriter, like producers, I just want to be
a better artist. And so it's so cool that Zach
has given me this opportunity.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
And so what does that feel like? What's the what
is the feeling?
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Because you've obviously played for big crowd as Caroline Jones
as you're saying open from big artists, what does it
feel like to be.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
To be feeling the feeling of a superstar artist?
Speaker 3 (33:10):
So like being on stage with Zach Brown in this band,
being an integral.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Part of the show.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
How does that feel to feel that superstar energy coming
at you from that audience?
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Is that is it different? Is it the same?
Speaker 5 (33:25):
Well, you're right, it is different because there's a real
like meeting of energy and expectation that you get when
you're the person that everyone comes to see, you know,
versus when you're an opener, you're really trying to win
over the audience with your energy, and so it is different.
But I've sat in with them over the years a
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bunch of times, so I know kind of what they're
poll setup in stages and what that feels like. But
I will say it's really cool to be to not
have to be the front man for once, because I
really get to focus on the guitar playing and the
singing and the harmonies and.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
The rhythm section. Like there's so much going on.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
It's hard to explain for people who I haven't ever
performed before, but there's so much going on, Like in
a band of that size of nine people, there's just
so much like musical richness and information that you could
be listening to all the time.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
But even if the audience.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
Weren't there, you'd be all occupied, like your brain and
your heart your musical like nerd, brain and heart.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
And then there's twenty five.
Speaker 5 (34:32):
Thousand people out there and they're all having similar but
unique experiences and you can watch, like the people.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Watching is unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
So it's actually so cool because when I'm performing as
the front person in Caroline Jones I'm you know, I'm
thinking about my vocal.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
I'm thinking about.
Speaker 5 (34:50):
Performing, I'm thinking about playing, I'm thinking about leading the band.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
I'm thinking about all these things. But this is a
totally different time. Yeah, exactly. And so it's been really cool.
Actually so far, I really enjoy it.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Were you nervous like that first night? And then you'll
play Finway Park? I mean, let's not forget that and Zach.
You played with Zach Brown when he had the most
consecutive sold out.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Nights or in a row, right, weren't you on that tour? Yeah? Okay,
so you're playing again.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
What is that like when that first time you step
on stage as a special performer guest band member for
this tour?
Speaker 2 (35:24):
What did you feel like?
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Did you like, were you just like energrise, butterflies flying
out your ears?
Speaker 2 (35:30):
I mean, what was it like?
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Yeah? Absolutely?
Speaker 5 (35:33):
I think I don't know if it's experience or age.
I feel like I'm more calm than I've ever been,
which is really cool because I remember the first tour
with Zach like, I literally every night I felt just
you can't explain what it's like being put in front
of ten or fifteen, twenty thousand people like I felt
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like someone had put me, like electrocuted me. Every night,
like I would just go on stage because there's my
first tour it and I would just literally like the
entire show, I would just feel like like I it
wasn't even it's beyond adrenaline.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
I don't know how to explain it. And I remember
when that wore off and I was like, oh my god,
maybe that won't last for ever. And it's just funny
because like four years later.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
I feel so much calmer on stage and probably less
nervous than I have been, which I think is cool
because maybe I'm becoming more confident or more able to
go with the flow. I used to be very like
I have to have the set down, I have to
have everything perfect, like judging every single thing. And there's
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a little bit of in this gig. First of all,
less of the weight is on you because you're not
the front person. And then secondly there's a little bit
there's a degree to which you just have to let
go because all those guys are have so decades and
decades more experienced collectively than I do, and they might
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change their cell list and they're gonna pull my hand
and take me along for the ride, and I just
feel lucky that they kind of take care.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Of me and take me out of their wings. So
it's actually been a really cool experience so far.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
But Fenway is always amazing, and I got to have
some family and friends there.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
It was really special.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
So out of every artist, obviously you are bad to
the bone.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
You're so talented, you have such a vision and you.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Deserve this spot and this opportunity more than anyone. But
why do you think Zach Brown chose you to take
you under his wing and develop you and bring you
along and give you these experiences and.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Really like mentor you as you said you dreamed of
part What do you think it was? What do you
think was the reason he picked you?
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Well?
Speaker 5 (37:48):
And actually Jimmy has been just as instrumental. Jimmy Buffett
has done similarly in.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
Party like those they really are well.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
I think they to answer your first question, why he
brought me out on this tour, Gosh, it's a weird
question to answer. I mean, obviously he thinks I can
add something. Hopefully I'm adding a cool female harmony that
they usually don't get up top and some hopefully just
really my goal with this tour is just like super solid,
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consistent rhythm guitar playing, or if I play banjo or
electric that it's very solid and consistent, just like adds
to the foundation of what they have because they have
so much virtuosity going on and their arrangements are so
set in stone, so clearly he thinks I can add something,
and I'm just trying to do that justice And you know,
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it's cool to have female energy out there too, I think.
And then Jimmy and Zach mentoring me. I think they
probably feel how serious I am about it, and how
how committed I am to not to like being famous
or being or like globbing onto them for that reason,
but like how much I genuinely care about this craft
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and like building a career this way, and how much
I admire them and respect them, like I hope they
and I think.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Probably they do feel that.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
What is Zach Black as a friend.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
He's a very interesting man, Like he's a he talked about,
a deep feeling person. He's like a very very deep
feeling person, very very smart, curious mind, like super into
different crafts like knife making and hunting and fishing, and
like he's a renaissance man. For sure, very creative and
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very deep feeling person and very loyal person.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Yeah, what is Jimmy Buffett like with a friend.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
Jimmy's like a big kid.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
He really is, like he's like a seventy five year
old in a like he's a seventy five year old body,
but I'd say, like men to me, he's probably like
a very wise, like twenty something year old. He's just
like he's so like and he has such a brilliant
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business brain, Like just a brilliant I mean, clearly look
at what he's done, but he has like a brilliant
marketing brain, business brain. But it's somehow all very authentic
to him, and that's very rare, Like it's very rare
to have that kind of entrepreneurial spirit that is so
genuine to you, you know.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
At the same time, I'm still having such a fun
like seemingly care free existence, you know, Like he's how
to like have a great life in the midst of
all this entertainment.
Speaker 5 (40:42):
That's what's funny, Annity, That's what's funny is that he's
like that is his brand and that is who he is,
so he just almost can't miss like any business idea
that's associated with that.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
Everyone's like I want some of that.
Speaker 5 (40:56):
You know, like give me what he's taken, whatever it is,
you know, because it's infectious.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
And so he really is like super playful.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
But he's also like very deep in a different way
than Zach, Like he's he loves How do I explain
the difference. He's like a lighter hearted person than Zach.
Zach's like super deep, serious person. Jimmy's like very lighthearted,
but he's also still a very deep feeling person. I
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haven't met an artist that's not like a deep feeling person,
you know, by being married to one.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Yes, yes, what about Kenny Chesney? Are you as close
with him as you are with.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
Jimmy and Zach? Not quite?
Speaker 5 (41:37):
But I do still consider Kenny a good friend, and
he's been so nice to me and always checks in
on me and so many other people. I mean, he's
like a big brother and mentor just so many artists.
That's something that I really admire about him, And being
on his tour was an incredible experience. Seen him a
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few times since then, and I would say Kenny is
like just such a sweet heart, Like he's such a
warm person, Like he makes everyone feel like they're the
most important person to him.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
He's very like That's how I can differentiate it. He's
like super warm and loving to everyone, like effusive almost, and.
Speaker 5 (42:27):
His stage presence like his is and I've never seen
anything like it, Like he didn't.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Like I've never been to one of his big arena shows.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
It's just I'd say I've only seen it live with
when I saw YouTube like it's it's He's just his
energy is so high.
Speaker 5 (42:50):
And he just I don't know how he can, Like
he brings the whole crowds energy up, like way up,
and most performers do that in one way or another,
but Kenny's just always moving and it's really.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Cool to watch. It's very unique.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
It's again being an opener being in a band is
such a cool vantage point because you get to see
like the little subtleties and subtle differences between all the performers.
But Kenny's just high energy. That's the only way I
can explain it.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
How would you describe your music in your sound.
Speaker 4 (43:23):
Yeah, that's a great question.
Speaker 5 (43:25):
I would say my music is definitely country pop, like
somewhere in that then diagram, but it has a lot.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
Of singer songwriter influence, and.
Speaker 5 (43:35):
I love pop production. I love like modern I'm a
real production nerd, so I love bringing some of those
sounds in. And then I would say my songs kind
of skirt the country singer songwriter popline, and I have
a bunch of influences. I think everyone in this day
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and age does. But I think that's probably the best descriptor.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
When someone leads your performance your show, what do you
hope that the feelings are that they take away with
them are? What do you hope they lead with when
they've seen you play? What do you hope they say, Oh,
such a good again?
Speaker 5 (44:13):
Like that's so important to think about as an artist,
you know, I hope that when people leave they feel inspired,
like truly inspired, like inspired to go do something that
they want to do or have an idea.
Speaker 4 (44:26):
For themselves, Like music gives you can give you such a.
Speaker 5 (44:29):
Sense of possibility, And I really hope that when people
leave my show they feel.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
Inspired and appreciative and like excited about their own potential.
That would be the ideal.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
So after like, I've watched a lot of her videos
and like I feel like I feel like I have
a lot of like insight into your music and you
as an artist, you seem to be super well and.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
From talking to you, you're super.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
Committed to like learning, and you're really it's like you
take learning as a challenge that you can't wait to
dive into, or like with me, like all these things
that you can't wait to learn, like the organ and
you've studied every single country music history, Like that feels
so daunting in my head, like so.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Much work and so hard. You you're like, oh my god,
love doesn't like you up, you know, Yes.
Speaker 5 (45:21):
I mean sometimes it is daunting and sometimes again, I
think this is where like knowing yourself and having your
priorities in order's important because I think especially when you
think about what other people know and have done, like
and start comparing yourself, I think that's when things get
really daunting, where you're like, you set some standard or
expectation of yourself based on other people's greatness or accomplishments
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or achievements, and then you start.
Speaker 4 (45:48):
To feel really overwhelmed. But I think if you can,
just if you can just center yourself and.
Speaker 5 (45:54):
Go back to the love of it and the passion
the excitement of it of being able to do X,
Y and Z, then you can have the energy and
the motivation to just put one foot in front of
the other and do the work. I remember, I can't
remember who. I think it was Jordan Peterson who had
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this really cool quote that he was talking about like
the goal of life is not to win the game,
it's to be asked to play, to be invited to play.
And that's something that I heard recently that I was like,
oh my god, that is actually so true, because it's
not always.
Speaker 4 (46:30):
About being the best.
Speaker 5 (46:32):
It's about like being invited to have these kind of
experiences that make you better, because there really is no
like destination, Like there's not like, especially in music, there's
not like a best musician.
Speaker 4 (46:43):
There are people who in my mind I think of
as the best musicians and someone else.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
You know, people to have different people that they thought
were the best. You're so right, it's so subjective to
a person.
Speaker 5 (46:53):
And then you start like measuring yourself against that standard
and how far away you are from that, and that's
like a real energy killer.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
Like that's when.
Speaker 5 (47:00):
Things feel daunting and you feel like, oh, like I'm
so far because as soon as you start beating up
on yourself, you have so much less mental space to motive,
to be motivated, and to actually go do some work.
Speaker 4 (47:13):
So the most important thing is to try to feel inspired.
But I loved that that.
Speaker 5 (47:18):
Like the point is to be invited to play with
the best players or any players, because you'll just get
better and better. And that's what I'm like trying to
discipline myself to do.
Speaker 4 (47:29):
Now.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
Speaking of discipline, I feel like discipline is a very
key part of who you are. You are very disciplined,
I feel like, is that true?
Speaker 5 (47:38):
Yes, I'm very, very disciplined. I think that probably is
my upbringing. I come from like a very a family
of really great work ethic and very like I'm I'm
very I'm tunnel vision when it comes to something.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
And that could be bad too, because you can miss things.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
You know, what was your family life like?
Speaker 4 (47:57):
Growing up?
Speaker 5 (48:00):
My family is super close, and so I was actually
kind of the loner in my family, like the creative
which is actually I highly recommend being a creative child
because every everyone would just start to be like, no,
that's just Caroline. She just does what she wants. She
just goes off by herself. So it actually worked out
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well for me. You have siblings, I do, Yeah, I
have three siblings. I have two sisters and one brother,
and yeah, I just think they're a very close, very
motivated like type a group of people, which.
Speaker 4 (48:37):
Is probably where I got my discipline from.
Speaker 3 (48:39):
Where do you fall in birth order? I'm the oldest,
You're the oldest. Okay, see, I have a fun you're
the youngest?
Speaker 4 (48:46):
Really? Wait are you? Do? You have brothers sisters?
Speaker 2 (48:49):
I have one older sister, but I feel like the youngest.
Speaker 3 (48:52):
Usually the one who like floats around and does whatever
they want and doesn't feel like the pressure to do.
But I guess you do have that discipline, so you
got you just put it.
Speaker 5 (49:00):
Towards like music, and you're Yeah, And I think I
think creativity saved me from like being the typical older child,
because for a while, I think I was more like
the perfectionist, and I still have a lot of perfectionism,
but I think I was more like a typical older child,
and then at some point my creativity took over.
Speaker 4 (49:21):
So I have a mixed personality.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
Okay, So you also seem like to me, you seem
like a really like natural pure soul. But I also
feel like in your music you talk a lot about
the sexy side of life, like you like get down
with the sexy side, which I love, so talk to
me about that, like, are you just a super like
feeling person And how did you know that your fiance
was the one, because like one of your songs are
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like I think it's called all the Boys, Yeah, and
it's like I'm friends with all the boys, but I
make love to you and I'm like, oh my gosh, no, Caroline, Yes, yes, okay,
I stee me some person.
Speaker 4 (50:00):
That's funny. I actually wrote that song a few years ago.
Speaker 5 (50:02):
Before I met my fiancee, and I originally wrote that song.
Speaker 4 (50:09):
About my sister because my sisters like the super outgoing,
more extroverted.
Speaker 5 (50:17):
Love, social situations and parties and that you know, she's
just much better at all that stuff than me. And
I would see that she was like friends with all
the boys and all the boys wanted her, and I
was like, how cool is that that?
Speaker 4 (50:28):
Like all the boys want you, but like you choose one.
And I was like, that's such a like sexy idea
for a song. So that's where that song came from.
But I do. I do. It's funny because.
Speaker 5 (50:41):
Especially artists like Jewel early On and Faith Hill and
Shy Toan just women who were not afraid to.
Speaker 4 (50:48):
Express like the spectrum of human emotion.
Speaker 3 (50:51):
And to point Caroline, because like, I feel like I
grew up kind of conservative. I have super wonderful open
mind of parents, but like I have been openly talking
about like having sex with people, you know, like I
was kind of its kind of.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
Nerve wracking to put that out there.
Speaker 3 (51:04):
So I was very impressed when you're like talking about
it in such a beautiful way, like you're like you're explaining.
Speaker 4 (51:11):
Yeah, and it is. It is. It's interesting.
Speaker 5 (51:14):
There's a lot of thoughts that are coming to my
mind about this because I also grew up relatively conservative.
My mom is very Catholic, and I actually think there's
something beautiful and kind of a lost art about a
certain aspect of conservativism, which is that like there is value,
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like great value in intimacy and love, and that like
it should be placed with great care. And I think
that like some of those values are I think they
really are important and like to raise your kids that way.
I think some of that has been lost a little bit.
But at the same time, you want to be able
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to express yourself as an artist, like the full spect
of you know, things, that you things that you only
share with one person, then you end up sharing in
your music because that's part of your emotional life, so
it is kind of a funny thing, and then other
people are able to see it and feel that for themselves.
Speaker 4 (52:16):
But I think it's really healthy for men and women
to see.
Speaker 5 (52:21):
That kind of because I feel like there's so much
sexuality expressed in music as very just in a different energy,
like in an aggressive energy, or in a casual energy,
or in like especially with men, or in a like
come get me energy, which is also really fun, and
I do that a lot too, but I think expressing
like the intimacy of real love and like what that
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actually feels like, and seeing a woman express that, like
I remember seeing Faith Hill's Breathe music video. It's just
like so beautiful to see and especially as a young girl.
Speaker 4 (52:54):
You I mean, of course you want to be.
Speaker 5 (52:57):
Beautiful like Faith Hill, but there's also this, like you
can see ash it feels like how that love makes
her feel. And I think it's good for young girls
to see that instead of like a more aggressive sexual
energy that I feel.
Speaker 4 (53:09):
Like is very prevalent now.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
So huh, I get that totally, And you actually have
a song called Intimacy where you did a whole.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
Dance number too, So what what was what was it?
What was this releasing?
Speaker 3 (53:23):
Was this happening when you met your fiance or were
you just coming in to yourself?
Speaker 5 (53:27):
Like I've always written the love songs way before I
met my fiance.
Speaker 4 (53:31):
I was writing love. I just I don't know. I've
always been super romantic.
Speaker 5 (53:35):
That way, like I can write them from other people's experiences,
I can write them from movies, like I could write
them dreaming about You're romantic.
Speaker 4 (53:44):
Very yeah, I'm very very romantic.
Speaker 5 (53:47):
And Intimacy was fun because after I wrote and that's
actually about being like afraid to open up, like afraid
of intimacy and afraid of that vulnerability. But that was
the first time that I'd ever danced in a music video.
Speaker 4 (54:00):
That was so fun.
Speaker 5 (54:01):
I just knew I wanted to. When I finished that song,
I was like, I have to do a dance. I
don't know why what made me think of that? And
that's a really cool music video, very different from me,
that I'm really proud of.
Speaker 3 (54:13):
I love that you pushed yourself in that way that
you're just like, I just want to dance I've never
done this for recording. I've only done it for fun
or myself and like, yeah, and you're really good at dancing,
thank you.
Speaker 4 (54:23):
I actually love.
Speaker 5 (54:24):
Dancing and I dance a little in my new music
video Come In. There's like a cool dance in the
second half of it.
Speaker 3 (54:33):
But definitely, but don't make yourself comfortable, like you're like
you're like sassy.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
What happens to the ones that you kick out?
Speaker 3 (54:39):
Because it sounds really intense, like when a guy when
you're like over a guy, it's like you don't want to.
Speaker 2 (54:44):
Be that guy when you're done.
Speaker 4 (54:46):
I see what you're saying that.
Speaker 2 (54:48):
What happens. What is the aftermath of being in your roadkill?
Speaker 4 (54:53):
Oh my god, I don't know. You'd have to ask
other people. I think.
Speaker 5 (55:01):
I'm just a zero or one hundred person, like I'm
either all in or.
Speaker 4 (55:05):
Like you're you don't need it.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
Yeah, yeah, okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (55:08):
So I know that ilm Off is like really harsh
and could again. This is why one of my nicknames
is Barbara Line. But I just that's how I am.
Speaker 5 (55:17):
I'm just like I'm just either like one hundred percent
or like I just don't care that much.
Speaker 2 (55:22):
So at least people always know where you stand.
Speaker 3 (55:24):
You know, I'd rather have that, not contiguity. You're not
making people mind read Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (55:34):
I mean I'm the same way.
Speaker 3 (55:35):
I over communicate so much and I like tell everything
how I feel constantly.
Speaker 2 (55:39):
I mean, not the same way.
Speaker 3 (55:40):
I'm sure we don't operate the same, but like I
am very much like, here are.
Speaker 2 (55:44):
My feeling, this is how I feel. Like I'm not
gonna be yes, I'm just gonna tell you.
Speaker 4 (55:51):
And it's nice then because.
Speaker 5 (55:54):
I think when you're able to do that, when you're
aware enough to do that, then people can.
Speaker 4 (55:58):
Give you another perspective that actually really helps.
Speaker 2 (56:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (56:01):
I just think a lot of people might be intimidated
by that and be like, oh, okay, you know, but then.
Speaker 4 (56:07):
When someone does. I think that's what was really different
for me about my fiances and.
Speaker 2 (56:11):
Yeah, what made him be the one?
Speaker 4 (56:14):
Oh my gosh, everything, he's so wonderful.
Speaker 5 (56:19):
So I've been really career focused for a really long time.
Speaker 4 (56:24):
And I mean I had a couple of.
Speaker 5 (56:26):
Relationships, but like I never really dated. I never really
was focused that way. Like, in fact, I kind of thought,
like I'm never going to get married, Like I'm just
going to be a musician, just going to be committed
to this, like I'll have my relationships when and if
they come and whatever. And so even though I was
really romantic, i'd kind of like I was very tunnel
vision career oriented.
Speaker 4 (56:46):
And just literally.
Speaker 5 (56:51):
Nick just like fell in my life out of the
blue during the pandemic. I could tell you, like the
whole sequence of events that caused it to happen, but
it's such Actually I will tell you someone I love
love I do too.
Speaker 4 (57:07):
But his mom okay, like a friend of his mom
high a friend of his.
Speaker 5 (57:16):
Mom showed his mom my music and she started following me,
and one day she just randomly sent one of my
videos to Nick and just wrote like I just like
see this as the kind of girl that you're gonna
end up with, and isn't that crazy? And then Nick
was like, okay, there's a you know, pretty singer. Whatever,
(57:37):
thanks mom, whatever.
Speaker 4 (57:38):
Didn't think about it. And then over the next few months,
like I kept popping up in like his friend group
or I don't know, he would like see my name
or my face or whatever, and long story short, you
found out that there we had a mutual friend and
so he was like will you set me up with?
Speaker 5 (57:56):
Will you try to have me meet Caroline? And so
this friend that we have started texting me and said,
you know, because at first she was like, I don't know,
Carolyn doesn't really date. She's like super career focused, she's
always on tour. She I don't know if that's going
to happen, blah blah. And she was like, you know what,
you might be the only person that Caroline might actually like.
Speaker 4 (58:18):
So then she got.
Speaker 5 (58:19):
Really into it, and she started texting me like I
know who you're gonna marry, I know your husband, blah blah.
Speaker 3 (58:24):
And I was this is you were so in sync
with your like source, I'm telling you, well.
Speaker 4 (58:29):
Wait till you hear the rest of the Storyciaues. I
really wasn't.
Speaker 5 (58:32):
I was like whatever, Like I literally could not have
been less interested. And this is why I just have
so much faith that when something's right, you almost cannot
mess it up.
Speaker 4 (58:43):
Because I literally did everything I.
Speaker 5 (58:44):
Could to ignore my friend and Nick for maybe like
two and a half solid months, and finally she was like,
can I just give this guy your number? Like I'm
so sick of trying to do this. I'm so sick
You're trying to set you up on a date, and
then he started bothering me and blah lah, and so finally,
I'm just going to meet this person once so I
(59:05):
can just tell Jane I did it. She won't think
I'm a horrible person.
Speaker 3 (59:08):
If you liked the way texted with you, Like did
you were you feeling it when he was texting or
was it kind of like.
Speaker 5 (59:13):
I wasn't in that place, Like I wasn't even remotely interested.
Speaker 2 (59:19):
Did you think it waste some pictures?
Speaker 4 (59:22):
I didn't even she sent me pictures of him.
Speaker 5 (59:24):
I didn't like look twice like okay, And so then
I literally did it as like a last just cross
off the.
Speaker 4 (59:35):
Checklist and then be down at the city's person.
Speaker 5 (59:37):
Doesn't bother me anymore, Tyler, can you tell him sorry?
Speaker 4 (59:43):
And so finally I met.
Speaker 5 (59:45):
I was like, I'll meet this person one day, and
we met, and that was kind of it. I swear
it was like it was we weren't. It wasn't like
love at first sight, but it was like we were
best friends.
Speaker 4 (59:57):
Like write it just like talking for hours and hours
and hours hours and just fell in love very quickly
after that, And like God could not have if you.
Speaker 5 (01:00:06):
Scripted, like the perfect person for me. You could not
come up with this person. Well, he's a sailor, like
sailing boats. So yeah, so he sails around the world offshore.
Speaker 4 (01:00:19):
Are you with him? He doesn't do it as much anymore.
Speaker 5 (01:00:22):
He used to do these Volvo around the world races,
so now he does like shorter, smaller races because those
were really really intense, and he did four. They're like
year long races where you literally sail from like Africa
to Spain and Spain to where like just around the
whole world.
Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
You're super abstract in your life plans, which I love.
Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
So he's a sailor.
Speaker 5 (01:00:47):
He's a perfect blend, Like I would need someone exactly
like this, Like he's a perfect blend of very smart
and very emotionally aware, but also so super sane and practical,
and like that's a very hard blend to find in
a man because normally, like the really smart manly stable,
(01:01:11):
practical men are not like emotional will yeah exactly, And
so he's just like a perfect blend of that for me.
And he just has the biggest heart. I mean, I
could go on about him forever. I love him so much.
I felt as my dad said, I folded like a
cheap suit. I just felt so hard. I really found
(01:01:32):
the one. I'm so lucky.
Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Yeah, yeah, that's so awesome. Okay, yeah, so I'm gonna
wrap up soon. I love talking to you.
Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
When when you look back on your life and you
are Jimmy Buffett at seventy five years old, reflecting back
on your career, what do you hope it played out like?
Maybe not exactly play by play, but what do you
hope the general feeling of your life has been?
Speaker 4 (01:01:55):
My gosh, what these are such great questions.
Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (01:02:00):
I hope that I can say that I really fulfilled
my potential as a musician and a creative person, and
that I inspired people along the way, and not just
my audience, but hopefully other musicians and other creative people
that I got to collaborate with.
Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
That I enriched their life and inspired them in some way.
Speaker 5 (01:02:21):
And I hope I made a mark that way, like
in the music community as an artist. And then I
hope that I really adventured properly. And because that's something
that Nick has really opened me up to. Is it
like there's more to life than than just like constantly
working towards bettering yourself, but like, there's so much richness
(01:02:44):
in the world and if you have the opportunity to
travel like we do. I spent most of last year
in New Zealand because of him.
Speaker 4 (01:02:54):
Oh my god, it was unbelievable in New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (01:02:58):
Okay, So, like six weeks after we met, he had
to move to New Zealand for a year to sail
in the America's Cup and.
Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
New Zealand was like the only country.
Speaker 5 (01:03:08):
That didn't have COVID and the borders were closed, but
there was exemptions for like spouses and wives and families
at the sailors. So I got to go over, and
all my tours had been canceled. I was supposed to
be touring with Lucas Nelson. Like I'm telling you, this
whole thing was such a god thing. But I got
to go over because I had nothing to do. I
(01:03:29):
was like, I'm not going to be touring this year,
so I mean, as well, if I'm going to make
a record, I can make it in New Zealand. And
I just moved to New Zealand and we stayed there
for seven months, and it was so unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
But you for seven months in New Zealand with him.
Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
We're I was frolicking in like mad bliss of love
and the most beautiful country in the world.
Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
Yes, exactly, that's exactly what it was.
Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
And it is kind of a board on the build
your relationship on.
Speaker 5 (01:03:59):
Yeah, And it was because I didn't know one person there,
like Nick was the only I literally like moved across
the world and Nick was the only person I knew.
Speaker 4 (01:04:08):
Like I'm very.
Speaker 5 (01:04:09):
Lucky that I was sure about him, you know, like
because it sounds like a reckless thing to do, but
I was like nothing was going to stop me. And
it was because we didn't have our families, friends, any like,
no distractions. We just got to know each other so well.
Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
And you got to normal life because there was no COVID.
Did you get to like move freely about the country.
Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
It was, I mean so lucky the one place that
really had no COVID.
Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
Like if they have beautiful, like clean place in the world,
it's like super uninhibited.
Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
In so many areas.
Speaker 5 (01:04:43):
Yeah, well that's what's so cool about New Zealand. First
of all, the people are so you don't realize like
how uptight you are as an America until you go somewhere.
Speaker 4 (01:04:52):
Else and then you're like, why do I talk so fast?
And why am I was.
Speaker 5 (01:04:54):
Like, you know what, you're so Yeah, they just don't
take themselves as seriously and they have the best sense
of humor. They remind me because I'm half Australian. My
mom's Australian, so they remind me of my Australian cousins.
It's just like so cool and down to earth and
practical and just fun. And then it's I think part
(01:05:19):
of the reason that it's still so beautiful is because
the population is so small, like there's only five million
people in the entire country, and so there's you can
be in Auckland, which is where we were based, and
you can drive an hour in any direction and be
where there are no people, like on a beach with
no people, and you just't can't have that in America anymore.
Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
So it's really cool, so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
There, what an experience, Like what a time it was.
Speaker 4 (01:05:51):
Yeah, and I'm about to so my next album.
Speaker 5 (01:05:54):
I don't want to give away too much, but my
next album is a lot about my time in New Zealand,
and a lot of the videos were filmed in New Zealand,
and I have a song coming out next month that
has a lot of like handmade iPhone footage of Nick
and I and our adventures in New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
So oh my god, I love it. Call Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
I love the way you're living your life is so inspiring,
and I hope anyone listening like can have a little
faith that like trusting your gut, trusting your passion, trusting
your intuition, knowing your priority, as you said, can really
guide you to a beautiful wife, and like knowing where
you want to go.
Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
But then, like you also said, holding it openly and
letting the pieces fall like that takes a lot of Yeah,
to live like that, you know it does, And.
Speaker 5 (01:06:37):
There's so much that we can't control, so it's hard,
especially it's the control freak. But I do really strongly
believe that there's no one who couldn't better their life
by paying more attention to their inner world and making
like their happiness and fulfillment a higher priority.
Speaker 4 (01:06:56):
On in their life.
Speaker 5 (01:06:57):
Like there's no one who can't have a better day
to day if they do that. And I know there's
so many people living so many different challenges and different things,
but like, everyone can do that.
Speaker 4 (01:07:08):
And I think it'll pay off pays off.
Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
So I always end You've kind of like been inspiring
this whole time, But I always end with leave your light, and.
Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
It's super open ended. What do you want people to know?
Speaker 5 (01:07:24):
Oh my gosh, Well, I'm going to speak to myself too,
because I always it's not like I know this and.
Speaker 4 (01:07:33):
Everybody else does it. Like I'm trying to learn this
every day.
Speaker 5 (01:07:36):
But I really wish that people knew, and that I
knew all the time, that we are fundamentally good and
right and we should operate from that place instead of
that something is wrong with us and that we're lacking.
Speaker 4 (01:07:52):
We constantly have to be making up for it. That
we're good and right and we're meant to have a
beautiful life and we're meant to.
Speaker 5 (01:07:58):
Feel good, and we're meant to trust ourselves, and we're
allowed to trust ourselves. Like I always try to remind
myself of that, because I do. I think it inherently
we are good and right.
Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
Caroline, You're so inspired and whise you must have sweet
be a very old soul. You've been around for many lifetimes.
I can tell you know you know a lot of stuff.
You've got a lot of wisdom.
Speaker 4 (01:08:21):
Thank you very much. I love I love this top.
This is so cool.
Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
I loved it too, and I'm so glad to get
to know you on this level. And I'm sure our
past will continue to cross because.
Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
Yeah, please, I would love to meet you in person.
Let's do it.
Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
You come to Nashville office.
Speaker 4 (01:08:37):
Yeah, yeah, well I live in Nashville part time.
Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Oh okay, Well yeah, when you're here, just hit me up.
Speaker 4 (01:08:44):
I will.
Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
I'm here all the time.
Speaker 4 (01:08:47):
Awesome. Well I'm going to be watching I'm gonna be
there next week. Well we should hang out. I would
love that.
Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
I love that. Bye.
Host
Caroline Hobby
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