ANGELA MARTINI: From Albania to Miss Universe – A Journey of Strength, Faith, and Self-Discovery

Angela Martini’s journey is one of resilience, transformation, and the powerful blend of love and discipline. Born in Albania and raised in Switzerland, Angela’s childhood was marked by the unwavering love of her mother and the strict, sometimes harsh teachings of her father. While her father didn’t want her to pursue modeling, the Albanian police recognized her potential, encouraging her to become Miss Albania. Her path to becoming Miss Universe Albania, working with Donald Trump, and eventually finding peace in New York, where she discovered faith and spirituality, reflects a journey of self-discovery. Through her book, Angela shares profound lessons about self-love, astrology, and how overcoming challenges reshaped her life, alongside her husband’s own fight for justice.

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Carl Lne. She's a queena talking to you. Solemn. She's
getting really not afraid to fail this episode, so just
let it flow. No one can do we quiet, cary Lone.
Its sounding Caroline.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
I'm thrilled to be here with Angela Martini, the beautiful,
wonderful vision that you are.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
How are you.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
I'm very well. How are you, Caroline?

Speaker 2 (00:42):
I'm so great. I'm happy to see you. We've gotten
to meet briefly before this, and I've kind of gotten
to tap into your story here a little bit from you,
and I just can't wait to dive into your life
and share this with my listeners.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
I need to thank you for having me, Caroline. I'm
very excited.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Thank you for coming on. Your house is beautiful. It
looks like a beautiful sunny day in La Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Yes, yesterday was rainy day, Today's sunny day.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Oh does the weather affect your mood because it affects
my mood.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yes, it does affect my mood. Sometimes I like it
rainy because when I'm in a cozy mood and I
don't have a lot of things going on and I
can just stay home. But if it's too much, of
course it affects.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
What do you like to do for fun.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
To be with my girlfriends? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Okay, what do y'all like to do when.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Y'all are talking about our problems?

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Do you have a lot of problems? Angela?

Speaker 1 (01:42):
Yes, I have a lot of problems, and every one
of my girlfriends has different kinds of problems, but there
are problems.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
What kind of problems do you feel like you try
to sort out with your girlfriends?

Speaker 3 (01:53):
What are you dealing with right now that you can
share with.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Us, Like, for example, we deal a lot when it
comes for them when it comes to relationships.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Okay, so some of your girlfriends don't have significant others.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah, or they do, but the dating part, you know,
the beginning is a bit difficult. So when it comes
to that or when it comes that, we put ourselves
blockages in our brain and we should push ourselves more
to do great things.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Oh, you've already done so many great things. You are
walking greatness. Thank you so kind of I'd love to
sort of start at the beginning with you, which you
are from Albania. I'm from Albania and talking about your upbringing.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
So I'm from Albania and city Collach Kodra and I
moved to Switzerland when I was nine years old.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Tell me about Albania because you live with your mom.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
I live with my mom, So my parents were divorced.
Mom was married three times, two times the same guy.
But now incredible, yes, and now actually four times, but
at that time it was three times, three times the

(03:17):
same man. And in Communists Albania, nobody was doing something
like that. She was like Elizabeth Taylor of Albania for
that time.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
What happened was it? Like was it obviously it wasn't
illegal to be like that? What was the what was
the what were women supposed.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
To really illegal? But it was like nobody ever did that?

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Was there like a punishment that happened if you did that?
Or what was why did no one do that with?
What was why was it something that didn't happen very often?

Speaker 1 (03:47):
I mean it was not in the culture that means
like the moment you marry, you married forever, no matter what,
no matter what, like even if he hits you, like okay,
he does this out of you should behave better next time.
That was the mentality.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
So it was always the women just needs to kind
of be submissister to the husband.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Exactly and it was unheard of that you get divorced,
especially if you have a child, and then you get
married again and again divorced, and then you get again married,
and especially in communist time and that time now today,
everything has changed. Today women divorced is very modern Albania.
But the time of my mother was unheard of.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
And she left her first husband because he wasn't treating
her well.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Right exactly with my brother, and then they separated after
one year, they saw each other on the street and
they felt in love again and they married again.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
So what made have separate the first time if she
married him again.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
I don't know. People forget, you know, when you're young
and it's your first man, you forget, you think maybe
he changed. How many women think men changed, right, So
you can imagine after one year you were like young,
it's your first man, you think, oh maybe he changed.
Okay a chance for the sake that you have a
child with him, and you're like, okay, let's make it happen.

(05:14):
And then she divorced after eight months.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
So she's like, no, same guys, same problems exactly.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
And I mean, if we will say this now in
this society, we are right now it's like, okay, it's
a big deal. But really at that time was something
onheard people were judging talking bad. It was like even
a house. You could not have rented a house in commonness.
The government had to give you an apartment. You know that.

(05:43):
People don't know that that. In communess time, people could
not just say, oh, I rent my own house or
I buy my own It doesn't exist. You could not
buy your house and you could not rent this. It
depends on the government and then base how they judge you.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Does everyone have the same amount of money that's distributed
to them or how does it exactly work when you're living?
How does it What does life feel like when you're
living in a communist country?

Speaker 1 (06:05):
I mean, I don't know because I never lived because
by the time I was born it was over. But
from my parents what I heard, it was like, no
matter if you're a teacher, whatever, the same kind of
amount of money. It was like, let's say sixty dollars
a month, and you will work really really hard, and
there was nothing like you could work more to have

(06:27):
something better. It was all the same.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
So there was really no inspiration to work harder because
you're gonna everyone will get the same no matter what.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah, okay, what happened with it life?

Speaker 2 (06:40):
So then your mom remarried and then divorced again, and
so then your brother's older.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yes, and she married. Then the story goes on that
she married my she've met my father that was ten
years at her Yes.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
So she was a single mom in Albania.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
She was single mom in Albanian and she found the
guy ten years younger than her. And he was a
successful guy. He was having two hundred employers for Communism.
Time was huge and he was very young.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
So and that would be kind of it's kind of
unheard of that he would want to marry a woman
who'd been divorced with a child, right.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yes, that was even unheard and they had too. My
mother is half Catholic, half Muslim, and my father's total Catholic,
and that was unheard of that he will do that,
that he will marry it and divorced woman plus older
than her and then with a child.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
So your mom is an amazing woman. Yes, I mean
she is, like, she is confident, independent, clearly, she's beautiful,
and she doesn't care. She's not trying to follow the rules.
She's following the rules of her heart and this man
was like, wow, that's so this is this is like
unprecedented for her for the time she was living in.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Exactly for the time she's living in. That's why even
sometimes some girls here they say like, oh, how hard
is finding a man or dating? And I'm like, well,
you're living in different times today. You have even more
the chance than my mother had, because at that time,
even dating, she had to hide because you will look like, oh,

(08:22):
you're not married and you're meeting a man that already
will be bad even to get to know him. Wow,
you're judging even to get to know him.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
So were women were they kind of like, what what
did she have to deal with? Being a divorced single woman?
Like what did she what was a treatment?

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Like a treatment was very bad. She was telling me,
like because she was a teacher, bology chemistry teacher, because
she has brilliant yeah on top of it, and then
she was a biology chemistry teacher. And they were saying
she was saying that other teachers were talking bad, especially
women more than men. Parents certain parents were saying like,

(09:09):
I don't want to bring my child before they get
you to know my mother to this woman that is
divorced and has bad image. The neighbors her, including her
own mother, my grandmother, was judging her. Everybody was making
her a tough time. But she lived her true and
apologetic herself, and she was just ahead of her time.

(09:33):
She was saying, why I'm living one life? Why am
I compromising? If I'm an abusive relationship or I'm not happy?
Why would I do that just because what other people think? Wow?
And today it paid off. And the people that were
not changing relationship because of the opinion and judgmenttle from

(09:54):
the judgment of other people. They are still in the
communist apartment with that abuse, if husband, suffering for life,
and nothing has changed in their life.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
So this is my daughter, Hi, let me answer. So
she is so cute.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Her name is Sudden, she said, okay, maybe we gotta
run down there. Thank you.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
She likes to come see who I'm talking to of course.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Okay. So then your mom meets your dad and he
is very successful and they have you. So then what
was life like for your parents?

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Well, then again it was not good. They were not
a match in heaven. Oh, no, match in hell, match
in hell, very opposite.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Their polar opposites. Because your mom is like all love
and light and joy right and her truth. And your
dad is he pretty strict and.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Very strict, but as well very ambitious as well. He's
an architect and an engineer both and both are very
ambition but both have this strong personality. It was just
not a match together. Like my mother is not somebody
that she will listen. My grandfather used to say, I
don't think there is a man for you in Albania to.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Your mom, to my mom, because she wasn't gonna submit.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Yeah, he said, there is a man like you have
your true head of your time. You have to move
and look. And that's after she divorced, my me and
my my my father and my mother divorced, and now
sits my mother here in Albania with two children with
two different men. Wow, and civil war happening and making

(11:50):
sixty dollars a month and two divorces actually three same
guy and she still believed in love and she was
never complaining. This is what amazed me about my mother.
She was always finding a joke or positivity in every situation,

(12:10):
no matter how serious the situation was. She always found
in every situation the positivity and the motivation and she
was saying to their friends or her friends, I'm not
over yet. I'm going to find the one, and they
were like, stop at Niji, stop it, that's her name, Niji.
You're going to embarrass on. Now you're gonna say you're

(12:32):
going to find the third husband at forty seven with
two children with different men. She's like, yeah, but it's
not going to be Albanian this time. She said, it's
going to be all American or Swiss, and that's what
exactly happened, and she found her love of her life.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
But your dad is he's Swiss because then he moved
to Switzerland. How did he get from Almenia to Switzerland.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
No, my dad is not Swiss. My dad is Albanian,
one hundred percent Albanian. But my how he moved to
Switzerland because the uncle of my father, he ran away
when it was Communism to Switzerland and he was a
doctor there and he sponsored the visa from my father.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Okay, so why did your dad want to get out
of Albania just because?

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, when somebody from your family run away, the whole
family will be punished. And that's what happened to my father.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
So someone had run away his Yeah, his uncle. So
once one person runs away, the whole family will be punished.
How are you punished?

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Like? They will make you work very hard labor in
the mountains, treat you bad in the military, treat you
bad in school. The benefits of the apartment, they will
give you very small like you will be judged by
other people like a lot of other punishment.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Did you suffer punishment because then your dad went to Switzerland?

Speaker 1 (13:57):
No, no, no, because when I was born there was
no Communism anymore. Oh right, right, that's just the stories
I heard.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Okay, Yeah, but you were talking earlier. You had like
a threat of kidnapping on your life when you were young, right.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
That was because of civil war that happened.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
That was because to tell me about that.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
That's what I'm saying. Your life story, Angela is one
that movies are made about. It's the lives you have
lived in one lifetime.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
Yeah, I mean, like the life story I have lived
in communism of civil war. This is what every Albanian
can tell. It's not like special me. The only thing
that makes me special is the story more for other
Albanians is a story of what kind of mother I had?
Because that I never heard an Albania woman doing this,

(14:49):
especially at that time and after the life story with
my husband. But when they tried to kidnap me was
I was playing in Albania outside that was normal on
the street, and the guy came and said he wanted
to buy me ice cream, but and he knew my father.
My father was in Switzerland. But my mother prepared me

(15:09):
many times that don't fall for this, and I screamed
and bite his hand and I said, oh, he wants
to kidnap me. And all the neighbors came outside and
helped me and he ran away. And then that was
the moment my mother called my father and said she's
dangerous to be for her in Albania. She has to

(15:31):
move to Switzerland and explained that they were trying to
kidnap me, and that's exactly what happened.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
So then they moved to Switzerland.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yes, and then that's the moment my whole life changed
forever hell because my parents never told me I'm moving
to Switzerland. They told me I'm going to visit my
father as usual, because I was many times going before
to Switzerland to visiting my father, and I didn't know

(16:00):
that it is forever my life now. I never got
the chance to say goodbye to my families, to my cousins,
to my school, to my friend. I just thought I'm
going in vacation, and when I went there, they told
me You're never going back. This is your life now.

(16:20):
And that was one of the hardest times. You're nine
years old, I was nine years old. Yeah, how does
one process that?

Speaker 2 (16:28):
And also because probably I'm sure you know your dad,
but it's not like you've been living with your dad.
You've been more visiting him.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Yes, And I was very close to my mother and
my grandmother, and my brother, and my cousin, my school,
my neighbor because you know, being or your neighbors are
your family. So it was very hard time. It was
one of the hardest one year of my life because
I was one year without my mother, without my family.

(16:57):
I was one year without even school. I learned room
by myself first because I didn't have the paperwork to
go to school yet. It was a whole my life
changed like this, from upside down, like completely, and I
had to be like, oh my god, what just happened?

Speaker 2 (17:15):
So did you have other family in Switzerland or was
it just you and your dad?

Speaker 1 (17:19):
My dad and my stepmother because my dad remarried and
it was just us and that was just my life
and I didn't even have friends. It was just one
year and my father was strict, like it was not like, oh,
you can watch TV how much you want? Like no,
like from being so free with my mother, because the

(17:39):
way I grew up with my mother was like even
that she was a teacher, she used a method, like
she just removed me from danger, but I could be
who I wanted, how I wanted, a free spirit, completely
free spirit.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
She wanted you to become who you were meant to
be without her putting anything on you.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Exactly completely. She accepted me completely, unconditionally how I am,
and she never made rules. She let me be free.
She never judged me, and she gave me NonStop love, love, love,
unconditional love, NonStop. And that was my superpower and my
strength and my confidence. That happened, and she was giving

(18:23):
me constantly compliments. If people will say to her, oh
my god, you leave Angela too wild or she's too much,
she will just say let it. Let her because I
know what I'm doing. And that what's happened with my
mother to my father happened exactly the opposite.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
So what was it like living with him?

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Like only TV half an hour day and that is
from seven to seven thirty and still love, but she
love in a different way, but more like you're gonna
read books, so that's your toys. I don't like you
playing with barbis, remove them, no dolls. I like you

(19:07):
to play puzzles during the day. You're going to learn
German by yourself because I already knew how to speak
Italian because I learned in Albania to speak Italian watching cartoons.
So I learned German from Italian book to German book.
And it was very strict and I was very tough.

(19:27):
It was one of the toughest, hardest time of my life.
And I was only music I was hearing and I
was just me myself with my thoughts and I was
missing my mother. I was not eating, I was not sleeping.
I was thinking God punished me.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
Really, yeah, that's what I was thinking.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
And didn't you say he taught you how to like
be like more like a tomboy like he was.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
Like yes, because he always wanted a boy. And my father,
even if our he take an engineer, he has a
big passion about boxing, martial arts, guns, knives. That was
his passion. And I'm his only child and he only

(20:26):
always wanted a boy. And somehow he used he throw
that on me and he was teaching me how to
your self defense, how to do martial arts. I slept
in the bed having the Bruce Lee poster bleeding from
Bruce Lee poster on top of my bed. That was normal.

(20:49):
The Bruce Lee poster, Bruce Lee.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Oh, Bruce Lee.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah, oh Bruce Lee was above your bed.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
That to your dad was like no barbies, Bruce Lee?

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Yes? Was it? So I got? And I had like
knife Summarai knife collection besides my bed, like that was
completely normal. Yeah, So I got. Now that you know,
sometimes you think you are punished, right, but when you
see the bigger picture now that you go away from it,

(21:23):
I saw that everything happened to my own benefit because
it was very useful later in my life that I
had my mother for a certain age of my life
to teach me this unconditional love being girly girl who
I wanted to be, and then had this other opposite
to see that life can be hard and not all
the time things happen how I want it. Needed to

(21:45):
be by myself and to be a bit the tomboy,
which today I use that both.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Have. It is so interesting that you say that because
you have to live through it all and get through
it all.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
To see the bigger picture.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
You can't see the bigger picture until you live through
certain chapters of the book, and then it all starts
to come together. But it makes no sense when you're young.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
Exactly, since I thought that was being punished.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
But it's kind of amazing that you got to be
with your mom in those formative years, not that when
you're ten isn't formative, but the first years of your
life to be surrounded by such complete love and freedom
to let you know that that's who you are, you know,
because I feel like sometimes when people are born into
super oppression, which even though you we said Albania wasn't

(22:39):
communists at the time you were living there.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Yeah, yeah, no, I had helped them.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
So you're a complete freedom.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
But I had the suppression after in my life change
with my father and I wanted thoas to be a
model and you will not let me. And you actually
officially started modeling officially officially a one years old. I
started very very late and how did that happen? Because
he will not let me, was super super strict. But

(23:09):
the destiny is still continuous at eighteen years old. Until
I was eighteen years old, I never moved. I never
went to visit Albania.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
So did you not see your mom for eight years?

Speaker 1 (23:21):
No? My mom moved to Switzerland and she married, remarried
again and found her love of her life now in Switzerland. Yes,
there are twenty years now together.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Could you not move back in with your mom when
she moved to Switzerland.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
My father was very strict. My father was fighting so
much for me, and it was impossible. I only got
to see my mother on the weekend. The rest my
father took over, so I had until eighteen years old.
I lived nine years with my mother, eight years with
my father, so almost fifty fifty.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
But when you lived with your father, your mom and
move to Switzerland, so you did get to see her
every weekend? Yes, well that is at least a positive.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
Yes, but after one year because for one year I
didn't see her.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
Oh, for the whole year in your life? That turned
upside down?

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Yeah, one year I didn't get to see my mother.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
That year changed everything. Okay, So then you're eighteen years old.
Your dad says you cannot be a model, and you're like,
but this is my destiny and he's like, no, you're
gonna learn how to sword fight and you're going to
be a defender of the world basically or or something
very like dude an Avenger.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Yeah, exactly, a superhero.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
So yeah, he was very against said but at eighteen,
I said, I want to move back to with my mother,
and I went against everything. I didn't. Now I understand
what was my life lesson at that time, I didn't
understand it.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
That's very profound, Angela, that you're able to see your
life lessons that you want learned.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yes, it was very important. And then still certain things
happens to me because I forget about my life my
life lessons, and then the situation repeat of a form
of jail until I keep learning.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
Because you know, the big thing, the big I've heard this.
I remember the lesson repeats until learned.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yes, but even if you learn and then you don't
apply it again again, it's going to repeat. And that's
I got it.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
So you've seen this play out in your life on
a big scale.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yes, because everything that happens in my life. I notice
every digitle detail. I'm like, why is happening? What's the
reason of this? There must be something? Why what am
I supposed to learn? So I go deeper in that.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
So now you see the magic of life, because you're like,
your whole life is just a it's it's your destiny
with your certain situations that you're supposed to experience, and
it's up to you to learn the lessons so you
can fulfill your destiny exactly.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
And so you probably see it in a magical way.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Now, yes, I see it in a very magical win.
And I tried to help my friends, I tried to
help my partner. And then it's so crazy because people
have okay, I'm going a bit deeper, but that opponent
inside of them, that it's like a curtain in front
of your eyes and they don't. You don't see it. Yes,

(26:26):
do everything to make you believe that you're in the
right track and you're just a victim.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
So how did you start to realize that you weren't
being punished, that these are actually your life lessons and
that this was the bigger picture to help you understand
your bigger destiny than like, because you had this moment
when you're eighteen, and that's kind of when did things
start to click, like, oh my gosh, my destiny is
my destiny. If I believe it and noth in my heart,

(26:53):
it will find me. Or what how did it tell
me about the eighteen when that magical moment happened?

Speaker 1 (26:58):
The magical I mean it's started to really the shift
at seventeen. Okay, so in my father, well now what
I know now there was no other choice because astrologically wise,
it was meant to happen. It was switched, another switch
happening and change in my life. So it was even beyond,

(27:19):
but it was a switch happening to me that I
was forced to change, and I got it and I
went to live with my mother. And then the first
time I went to Albania was at eighteen years old,
since I was left at nine years old. Me, I'm
going in vacation. This was the longest vacation.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
This is an eight and a half year, ten year vacation.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Basically, yeah, when there's a little girl. I came as
a young woman.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
People were like, dang, Angela is back.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
I'm sure I missed you, but you came back as
as a young woman.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yeah, I be came back as a young woman. And
the moment I landed at the airport, the police at
the passport control told me, hold on a second. Wait
here they made they went to make a phone call
and when they came back they said, please speak, and
I'm like you who speak? And on the phone was

(28:18):
the Miss Universe organization.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
And on the police saw you.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
You're coming back to Albania for the first time in
eight and a half nine years with your mom. Is
she coming with you?

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (28:29):
She was with me, So your mom's coming back with you.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
You haven't been there, you're now there only me not
but you had not and.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Now you walk in land off the plane and the police.
You're so drop dead gorgeous that.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
The police are like, you need to be in you need.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
To be the Miss Albania for the Miss Universe competition.
And I put you on the phone with ahead of
it and then you become Miss Albania. Do you have
to compete or you just crowned?

Speaker 1 (28:55):
No? Then I said I don't want to Why yes,
because I wanted to be a model in New York.
I had different ambition and that's what happened. At twenty one,
I moved to New York and I didn't move before
because again I keep putting myself in jail, a karma
that I don't keep learning.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
Did you not do the Miss Albania at eighteen?

Speaker 1 (29:18):
No?

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Okay, so you turned it?

Speaker 1 (29:21):
Yes, I turned it down. And they introduced me actually
to this close friend of mine. Foradil Berisha, it's like
our father from all the girls. He's a legend. He
has helped every Albanian and now he's like my best friend.
And he was pushing me all the time, and then
he says like and I said, no, I want to

(29:41):
be a model, and he told me, no, you're not
ready to be a model in New York. Do it
in Europe. First you have to build your portfolio and
then you come to New York. And I said, no,
I want New York. I lead model management. He told
me you're not ready. So I went to New York.
I had a boyfriend there. He was not ready to
moved to us. So I stopped my life always because

(30:03):
of other people, and until I was very down and
very sad for years and I said I cannot take
it anymore. I watched something in MTV and it was
about models in Miami, and I said, here we go
models in Miami. I'm still in US. So I booked

(30:23):
my ticket. One week later, I flew. I left my boyfriend.
I told him I have to follow my dream. Later on,
I brought him to US. And it's not like I
broke up with him at that time, but I brought him.
But I said I have to go. And I went
to Miami with my ticket one night hotel and I
walked through the agency and I said, here, I am,

(30:46):
I want to do it.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
Yes, you said here, I am. So what was different
in Miami as opposed to New York?

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Because they said.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
No, because Miami is easier to start and Miami they liked,
like this, my New York is more high fashioned. Miami
is like more bikini, more commercial. And I was like,
I'm going to Miami and I'm going to get ready
in Miami instead of getting ready in Europe. Okay, Because

(31:16):
why I'm saying that is because at eleven years old,
I went first time to New York and with my
father to visit my father's family to live in New York.
And that was life changing moment for me because the
moment I entered in US at eleven years old. This

(31:36):
was a place I knew I'm always going to live.
You felt it, I felt it. I cried. I went
back to Europe and I was saying to my classmates
in Switzerland, you guys don't know what we are missing.
There is a whole different world out there. I said, like,
oh my god, this is life.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
What did you feel?

Speaker 1 (31:56):
What was?

Speaker 2 (31:56):
What did you feel about New York.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
Or about like what I feel in general? I felt
it was a feeling like I lived here before. It
was a feeling of home. I got a feeling like,
oh my god, this is my life. The world, the
people that get me, understand me. I was never feeling
home nowhere. I always suffered like I'm like, Okay, it's
a very nice place, but something in my soul was

(32:23):
telling me I'm not in the right place. On till
it was always us that was the right place. Okay.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
So you lived in New York with your boyfriend for
a while.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
The modeling didn't take off there, No.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
I took No. No, I took off right away in
New York.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Oh I did. But then why do you move to Miami?

Speaker 1 (32:41):
No? No, no. So the thing what happened is I
went to New York and told me I'm not ready.
So I moved with my boyfriend back to Switzerland. My
boyfriend was not ready to live in New York or
in US. I was not ready to live in Europe anymore.
So based on that MTV.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
You went to Miami.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
I went to Miami by myself my boy one year later.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Okay, okay, so you weren't living in New York with
your boyfriend. You visited in New York and then you
went back to Switzerland, and then you said I'm going
to go to Miami, okay, instead of moving to New York.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
So then I got ready in Miami and said I
am here.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
You walked in and you said you walked into what agency?

Speaker 1 (33:21):
I went to the front management agency in Miami, and
I walked in and I said, hi, guys, I'm Angela.
I just came from Switzerland. I'm originally from Albania. And
they were eating lunch. I never called or made any appointment,
so they were like, excuse me. I'm like, well, I
just came, so I am here, I'm here, and so

(33:43):
how it started, and they were very supported, very helpful,
and from that moment on, I went to New York
and four or five months later, and I was signed
by Elite Model Management.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Which is what you said you were going to.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Do and what I'm said I'm going to do. And
then I was really working very well and that was
my anxiety and feeling of home was the most amazing
happening there.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
So you felt peace once you signed to Elite because
a lot of models feel stressed out when they become
a model because there's so much pressure.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
Did you feel the opposite? Did you feel like this
is what I'm supposed to do.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yeah, I felt like a released, Like already that I'm
in New York, I felt the release, the people I met,
the released, the work, everything. I brought my boyfriend back
to New York. But then things needs to constantly change,
and then I did. At twenty four, I did Miss

(34:40):
Universe Albania.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Okay, so how did that circle back around? So you're
doing all these modeling, you're getting all these jobs, you're
an Elite modeling agency. You've literally manifested this and you've
felt it in your heart. This was your destiny. Now
it's come true. You've claimed it like you've taken full
ownership of it. You're living like your mom on your
own terms, you're doing what you what you know you're

(35:02):
supposed to do, not what people tell you to do,
which is so powerful and.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
I only solve. But the problem is that I keep
forgetting that, and I keep going back.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
What do you go back to?

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Going back compromises? Like every time I keep forgetting that.
Like I have successful years and then the moment I
do too much compromise, I forget that life lessons that
I have. That's when I put myself again in jail
and I suffer.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
What do you compromise on?

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Like when you were having all the success, what did
you start to compromise on?

Speaker 1 (35:36):
Not in that, But when it comes to love or
somebody I care, I compromise, And then I keep forgetting
my life lessons. I keep forgetting that I suppose not
to do that.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
You have to stay true to you, yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
And unapologetic, live my best me. How do you stay
feeling guilty?

Speaker 2 (35:57):
How do you stay true and unapologetic to living to
yourself when you are in a partnership and have a
family and a kid.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
How do you do that?

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Because you had to do a lot with your husband too,
because he brought.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Her and when the husband's story starts later.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Go in to that. Okay, so we'll come back, but
I want to know how do you we'll get back
to how you stay unapologetic to yourself when you do
have these other people.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
That come into your life that pool you.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
You know, it's very hard. I'm telling you, I'm still learning.
It's really hard. I think the one of the lessons
that because everything has different lessons. So for some people
maybe that's not their life lessons, but that's mine. So
for some people, even if they do that, that's good.
That's what they're supposed to do, to be caring for
the for other people and do that in that level.

(36:45):
But I suppose not to do that. And I notice that, Okay,
GI me years of learning that years.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
So what happened at twenty four?

Speaker 1 (36:55):
So at twenty four comes Faddel, the photographer Arsha and
that I met him at eighteen and he told me,
and we've been friends in the meantime. He helped me.
He was very proud of me. That I was in
New York with the lead model management and he told me,
now we have the thing. He said, you have to
represent Albania. This is the time. And I said why

(37:18):
would I? I said, like I'm already a model. What
do I get like a model agency in New York?
I already have that? What else? And he told me,
you do this for your country? Is that that's what
you're gonna do. You're going to represent your country. And
you're ready, very ready, because you're already a model, you're

(37:38):
already speaking English, you already have experience, So I want
you to do that. And I was still thinking about it,
and he said, you have no time. In two weeks
from now on, it's Miss Universe and we have no
Miss Universe Albania. And every country normally chooses one year
before and they prepare the girls one year before, so.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
There was no Miss Universe Albania. No, did you just
get the position?

Speaker 1 (38:05):
How did you become to Albania? And I went and
did the competition, but they left at last minute so
much and it was the first year that this happened,
and in two weeks I was in Miss Universe in
Las Vegas.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
So this is when your life, like you're starting to
realize your life is just happening, like it's just like
your destiny is unfolding, because like that to happen in
two weeks to become Miss Albania Universe. That doesn't just
happen to everyone.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Yeah, But you know what is funny, Caroline. When I
was little in Albania, in school or in the neighborhood,

(38:56):
we were playing Miss Universe, Miss Albania, Miss Blah, Miss Everything.
And I was attracting that because I was doing this
since I was four or five years old, six years old,
and I was always actually winning. And then when I'm
an adult, it's really happening, wow, and not wanting it,

(39:18):
the destiny coming to me.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
So you now are Miss Albanian Universe. Then what happened?

Speaker 2 (39:25):
You go compete against all the Miss Universes, all the countries.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
And the Miss University countries. Yes, and what is that
one hundred ninety eight countries?

Speaker 2 (39:34):
You go and now compete against one hundred and ninety
eight countries. You're twenty four years old and where is
this competition?

Speaker 3 (39:41):
And what is this like?

Speaker 2 (39:42):
What is it like to be with? For me?

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Was very hard because different difficult because I was not prepared.
I didn't know these girls were. They told them how
to do makeup, they teach them. It's like their life, like.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
They for this their whole life.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Yes, and they have to because that's the way you
get a visa, you get signed by an agency. I
was more comfortable in that way because I already had visa.
I already grew up in Switzerland, I already had agents
in Miami. Yes, I work, I had my apartment, I
was making money. So for me it was completely I

(40:25):
didn't have this panic that they had. But nobody teach
me how to do my makeup or my hair, especially
as a model, because you have to go in every
casting as natural as you can go possible, so nobody
teaches you that and how to behave how to be
like we saved the world. I didn't know all those things, so.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
That probably do you think that worked in your advantage
because you just spoke from your heart, not like a
premeditated response or premeditated.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
Probably, but you have people that like you, and you
have always people Caroline, that don't like you. Something it
will irritate them. But it was an amazing experience. I
was there two weeks. I met the girls. They were
very sweet. They were trying to have diets and work

(41:12):
out and everything, and for me it was completely the opposite.
All my life, I always wanted to gain weight, not
to lose weight. Because I always liked to be curvy,
and I didn't have that stress. I said, Okay, if
it works, it doesn't work, and if it works, works good.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
But you didn't care if you want, like you weren't
stressing out, like you said, you didn't have the panic
that these other girls had, like this is my shot
to get out and do something and get progress. You
already had progress, you already had to exactly.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
But I wish now with my mind I had I
was caring more because it was more about my country.
So I wish I was caring more. But I was
thrown there in two weeks that Tata fast everything happened,
So I wish.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
But you know what, that's how it was supposed to be,
I think, honestly, because the fact that it all worked
out like that is your destiny. And I think the
fact that you weren't all over prepared for it is
probably what led you to become like you want, like
top six right out of all the countries in the world.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
Yeah, top six, and for my country, Albania, until today,
I hold the highest score in history. So I think
you did it all right, I know, but still, you know,
I wish I cared more.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
I know, But honestly, probably being so free made you
actually be an authentic person. Instead of trying to give
a correct answer or do something correctly, you just did
it how you felt, which is I feel like more
loving to be that way and more a better representation
of your country to not try to be doing the

(42:51):
right thing but just doing it from your heart.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
Right, I was doing from the heart, but I was
getting comfortable that that will be late sometimes.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
So what was that like? And you said Donald Trump
was in charge of all that at the time.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Yeah, Donald Trump was in charge of that time, of
everything all that time. Actually, I had like somebody not
liking me so specific in the miss your or organization,
and Trump was more than one. Like so what about
that girl about me?

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Wait?

Speaker 3 (43:24):
Wait, so explain that I.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
Had people, certain people in the organization not really liking
me that much. Why, I don't know, Like, you know,
have you noticed that certain people without you doing nothing.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Mane y, Yes, I have that all the time, Like there.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Is something in their soul that they see something in.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
You that just irritates them exactly.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
So you're like, I don't understand, right, Yeah, happened to me.
And I had definitely people that didn't like me for
no reason, and then came Trump that liked me for
every reason.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
So he thought you were great.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Yeah, did you because some people like to say that
Trump hasn't been like appropriate with women.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
Did you find him to be respectful?

Speaker 1 (44:11):
Very respectful? I never like for me what from my
own experience and everything honesty. It was everything, completely professional
and respectful, nothing weird.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
That's great to hear.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
I love to hear those stories.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
Yeah, that's the truth, like people like it or not,
the truth is what's the truth.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
So then the.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
It happens, you're at the end and they're calling your
name and you end up being sixth place. What does
that feel like?

Speaker 3 (44:38):
And how does that shape your life?

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Because once you get sixth places in the Miss Universe
all the countries of the world, and that's a big deal.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
That's a big How it starts in the Miss Universe.
First it starts that is you go all the girls out,
and then the truth right away top fifteen I think,
and right away all are out. It's just fifteen left.
Oh many you have one walk and from that one
walk nine from ninety eight girls, one hundred whatever, you

(45:11):
get only fifteen. That's it.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
So we're only dealing with the top fifteen.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
If you're not in the top fifteen, like you weren't
even really a part of the very long.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Exactly, then it's for top fifteen, top ten and then
the last place. Wow, yeah, that's it.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
Is that nerve wracking to be on the world stage
like that.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
It was nerve wracking. I was. I was so happy
when it was done that I had the highest court
and for me, I have to tell you a special story.
So during that time, I forget about it. I'm as
well Swiss, you're what I'm Swiss as well.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
Yeah, it's your Albanian and Swiss.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Yeah, because I grew up in Switzerland and Switzerland really
took me really too hard as well, and I love
this amazing country. Saved my life multiple times. And when
I was competing was Albania, me and miss Switzerland, and
it happened something sad, but something really crazy amazing that

(46:13):
Switzerland was for me as well, and Switzerland was saying
that Angela is as well Swiss but representing Albania, and
they were starting I felt so bad for me Switzerland,
but they were starting to root first time Switzerland for
Albania because I was part of.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Them, so they felt like they you were their representation
as well.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Yes, and I had true countries rooting for me, and
it was all over the news and they were really
wishing me and giving me that support and that was
really amazing. And next day they were saying in the
press that the most beautiful Swiss woman, which was a

(46:58):
big deal for Albania, and they said the most beautiful
Swiss woman comes from Albania. Wow, it's really emotional for
a lot of Albanians and a lot of people. And
I was very overwhelmed that I had true countries supporting
and that's the moment actually my country knew.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Who I was known in your country.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
I mean, it was amazing. For me. Life feels everything
a dream because everything that is happening to me was
everything I did when I was a little girl, playing
with my friends or dreaming. It just came reality. It's
just the time. It just depends when you think it's

(47:44):
supposed to happen and when it's meant to happen. It's
only about the timing.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Timing, So if you feel it in your heart, it
will happen if you stay true to.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
It, Yes, and if you keep staying and believing and
working on it, doing your life lessons. Nothing happens without
your life lessons.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
So people have recognized you for your just incredible beauty?
Is that? Has that been something that some people struggle
with being known for their beauty and they feel like
they want to be known for more because they're also
so smart and talented. And I feel like things are
changing a lot and people are noticing the whole spectrum

(48:26):
of a human. Has it been hard to be so
beautiful or has it been? Have you been able to
balance that? Has it not been? It's not been like
a burden to you? No, it's hard to say beauty
is a burden, but some people feel like, you know,
beauty can be.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
No. I love all the time when people underestimate me.
I love that you do. Yeah, that has been my
superpower because I love that people didn't understand how strong
I could be, your spiritual I could be, or how
I understand psycho psychology, or the I could have been
a lawyer, the law. But I love that under estimation.

(49:05):
And I think there is time for everything.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
It's just like another tool in your tool belt.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Yes, there is, like the time, there was the time
for beauty. There was the time for modeling, there was
the time for beauty pageant, and now comes a different
time and you love that. Yes, now you can show
all your parts. You don't have to show all of
you all in once everything. You don't know why, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
It's all in folds and you need each piece at
a different time.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Exactly because I would have had not that tension if
I didn't have certain piece in that time that I needed. Wow.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
So that is so wise Angela to realize that it's all.
It all comes in little pieces and then it all
comes together to make the full picture.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
So you get sixth place in this universe Albania, and
then what happens?

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Then I go have a pizza.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Yeah, yeah, good for you.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
I go back to modeling.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
And are you back in New York.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
Now I'm back in New York.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Okay, Well, treating you differently now that you've just won
sixth place at the Miss Universe.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
I mean I had more people, more friends, It was
fun everything. I was more famous in my countries in
Switzerland and Albania, and I started my own bikini line.
That was helpful. I was doing my bikini line representing
thing as well in Miami fashion week, I wanted to
do more and then I had a sheep that I

(50:43):
was like, something is not right. I'm not happy anymore
in New York. And I felt it for a very
long time. I'm living in a dark cloud.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Okay, So how long after winning sixth place did you
start to feel you were living in a dark crowd
in New York.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
How many more years were you in New York?

Speaker 1 (51:00):
I think was maybe three or four more years.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
So you come back and you really dive into it
full force, and they're like, okay, I do things.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
I dive in, but something was not fulfilling me and
I was ready and it kind of run its course. Yeah,
and I was I'm very hopeless romantic. I like to
live love like in a movie or romance, all or nothing.
And I was saying, I want love, I want something more.

(51:30):
I want to feel alive. And that's what happened. I
went and got an astrologist that they suggested me. It's
one of the best, and he guided me and he
told me it's time to leave New York. The best
thing for you to be will be to move to

(51:50):
Los Angeles. And he told me the year and the
month if I will do that I will meet the one.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
I los Angeles were you were you wanting to move
to Los Angeles?

Speaker 1 (52:00):
I always like Los Angeles, but I never thought moving.
But somehow my girlfriends used to tell me that. I
always told them that I was saying, ohways to them.
I have a feeling I'm going to meet the one here,
Like love Wise.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
You spelt it, you spelt it in your gut.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Yes, love Wise, I felt that it should be here.
And in astrology it exists astro mapping. Astro where the
map that stro think you should where's the best place
for you today or where is the low place energy
for you to move?

Speaker 2 (52:36):
I want to talk to your astrologery. Does he still
Do you talk to your astrologer still or now? Are
you just your own astronomy? Oh?

Speaker 1 (52:43):
I talk to my astrologists. I have two every year,
and I do my own as well. All the time.
I check myself.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
I love all that. I think all of it plays
together like there's so many things pieces moving, and I
think people live into their signs and I know it's
so oh deep. I've had some astrologers on before and
like kind of deep dive with them, and it blows
my mind. How specific everything gets, like the time you're born,
where you're born, what plants were aligned, all of it.
It creates, It creates you and your destiny on some level.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
Yes, and for me it's like GPS. Yeah, for me,
this is a GPS of life. This is how I
use that. People can say this is like whatever, naive,
then continue living your life. It's worth the tribe.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
But it has guided you to for me, has.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
Been guided every year for ten years of my life.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
And has it have you feel like the astrology has
guided you in the way that you've wanted your life
to unfold.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Yes, but this guy that'd be more for my life lessons?

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Oh, it's always those dang life lessons. They always come
back for us, don't they.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Yes, can escape them. Yes, there's guy that be more
for my life lessons or the best place where I
should live? Or what's my karma not my karma? When
I should be more careful? When should I push? Because
sometimes we push when we're supposed not to push, and
sometimes we give up when we should push because we're
hired from before.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Okay, so now you move to LA. You're ready to
meet your husband. He said, you're gonna meet.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
That's exactly what happened. When what he told me the month,
the place he told me, a big white house, the
year he described him exactly that happened.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
So when you see your husband in this big white
house and it's the right month, so was my husband,
did you feel an instant connection to your husband?

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Really?

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Like, oh my gosh, I'm in love with you.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
Not that I'm in love with you because I play
the game.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
Trust me, I want to make out with you.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
No, no, no, it's all about the game, no matter
how much you're like the guy.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
But you have taught me the game, Angela. I never
knew the game.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
I was, Oh, it's all about the game. You like
it or not. It's all about the How do you
play the game? Place without you? That's another topic. It's
gonna be that's what I do with my girlfriends in
our free time.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
How do you play the game? They're just give me
a quick summary of Like, so you see this guy,
it's the right time, in the right place in the
white house. You feel the connection to him.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
But what do you do?

Speaker 2 (55:18):
How do you play the game? I just needn't know
from an expert because I never played it correctly.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
When I saw it to him in that moment. I
really don't think that. Maybe I play the game and
I'm not aware because the game comes after. But in
that moment, I looked at him and I felt like
a feeling of home. But I don't try to talk

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it with him. In purpose, I do my thing. So
the self respect, this love for yourself, I think is
the biggest game that people don't understand. The moment they
feel this self respect and love for yourself, don't not
the desperation or anything. I was still like, oh, I

(56:04):
felt that close to him, but I still didn't go
to him or looked for him. It attracted him to
come constantly to me.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
Okay, so it comes to you and what happens.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
Well, then on myself and I just say my things
you know, and you guys, well, for example, we try
to ask you a question and you fall for it
and you talk so much. I I closed this. I'm
not being interviewed by the guy. If I have interest,
I want him. I want to interview him and see

(56:36):
if he's good for me. So I go with that attitude.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
Okay, so did you feel like he was good for you? Obviously?

Speaker 1 (56:43):
Well, what I like the things you know, we connected
with a spiritual level and the energy. And then of
course it took months till we got together because it
was a whole game after I broke up before even
got together. It was a whole game. But that's a
long story. It was a whole game.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
You broke up with him before y'all even got together. Yeah,
how do you break up with someone before you get together?

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Yeah? When I date and I said I don't want
to date you anymore. And what was he like, Well,
he did what I expected to do. When you do that,
because when the moment you have self respect and appreciation
for yourself, that's what's gonna happen. Then he's gonna He
had the choice to prove me he's the one or not.

(57:29):
Very simple.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Oh so you are willing to let him go because
you're not desperate. You're like, if you don't come fighting
for me, and if you don't, if you don't like the.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
Way I want you to be, not just fighting the
way I want you to be.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Then you're not desperate. You're like, fine, even if I
felt this connection with you, if you're not gonna come
fighting for me the way I want you to, then
be gone with you. And that's where so many women
can't do that because they're so desperate to have someone
that they can't let them go.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
And you're like, I cannot wait to let them go.
I cannot wait. I cannot wait for me them I loved,
even to break up. That's my favorite thing because for me,
that's how it shows to me. Should I give him
a chance or not? I use this for my own benefit.
But you're so confident, I don't waste time.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
But the difference is you're confidence. Because this is where
the difference between you and most women are is you're
so confident in yourself and he has to earn your
love because you are so confident, sure of who you are,
what you deserve.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Because I bring a lot. I know what I bring
to that, A lot I.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Bring, yes, and you know works.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Yeah, I bring a lot. I know I'm going to
change your life and very colorful life. I know I'm
going to help you with so many things. So yeah,

(59:08):
I mean, it's not only man up, it's more than
men up.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Spiritually everything everything I've you better elevate all of it. Wow. Okay,
so he did, but then y'all had you guys had
a whole thing with him, like right, yeah, Then.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
I got married with him right away. In one year
and a half later, we got married in Vegas, and
I didn't know we're gonna get married. We never spoke
about getting married. He didn't know. We just woke up
in Vegas and we said what we should do today.
I don't know, should we get married, let's get married,
and we got and we got married in midnight. I

(59:47):
always wanted to get married in midnight. And I got
married in black and two witnesses, and that's it. Now
we are seven years married.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
But what happened, because once you got married, there's a
whole thing with your husband.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
And what happened is originally from Romania, and long story short,
I make it now sound so easy, but it is
the toughest period of our life and very very strong.
I don't know. I'm like my mother. I left through
hard moments, even like people will think like, oh my god,
she's not going through at all, probably totally very bad disaster,

(01:00:26):
but that's the nature. But he came from Romania and
it was a very bad period that they were a
lot of injustice happening. And my husband was a big
public figure there and was doing twenty years ago business

(01:00:46):
with the mayor that the government or secret service was
afterward after them, after the mayor and whoever was involved
in certain file that everybody had to go to jail
and it was a way of putting people go to
jail or remove power. And my husband was one of
them convicted and everyone went to jail besides my husband,

(01:01:09):
and we fought six years in Italy around in Europe
for him not to go to jail and to save
his life multiple times.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
How long would he have had to go to.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
Jail for five years and six months?

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
So now all that's done and he was free.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
It was I mean every step was done, but it
was from let's say one year almost being Bonnie and
Clyde until he solved it with the lawyer. Was really
hard and years after I had to solve his save
his life multiple times?

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
How did he save his life?

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
Protecting him, loyalty everything, lawyers, hiding him everything. Wow, one
day this will be told in such a great detail,
in a perfect story for people to see.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
You know, are you gonna write a book no better
than a movie?

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
Yeah? Something amazing. It's on a working process.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Well, I know if you have it in your heart,
it will be manifested because you live into all of
your destinies.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
Yeah. Because but this story that I thought it holded
me back six years. Six years oh, I left us,
I left my work, I left my dreams.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
I fight for him, to go.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
Fight for him. I was his warrior, his soldier in
front of the battlefield, and I'm like, let's fight the
Secret Service together, Let's fight the country together. Well, me
and you against the world together. So then now when
you see the bigger picture, you realize why you grew
up with your mother, why you grew up with your father,

(01:03:08):
Why I needed this soldier feeling of avenger to know
why I had to have all the contexts I had
before because it will be helpful. And then to save
my family and my husband. And now I understand why
I went through all the pain and I thought I'm
losing the time of my life for six years, why

(01:03:30):
it needed to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
And you thought you were you thought you were stuck,
and you thought you were going backwards, and you thought
you were like like you were saying, like when you're
your childhood, how you were suffering and how it was awful.
You maybe felt that again, but really all of that
just prepared you to get through this hard season so
you can make it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
To the other side. And that is so true.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
When we're in these hard, awful seasons, it feels like
literally hell on Earth, and you're like, why is this happening?
Am I doing something wrong?

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
Did I make a mistake?

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Like I've been trying to like live out my destiny
and be the best person that I can and follow
where I think I'm supposed to go, So like, why
am I being punished?

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
But really it's not a punishment.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
Is it. It is as well a punishment because I
still change things after I learned my life lessons, because
there is a limit you can do certain things.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Okay, wait, what do you mean?

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Like, for example, I supposed to compromise, but not that
much youself. I'm supposed to help because it creates a
bigger thing for later on what it meant to be.
And I learned the strengths. I learned the strength, but
I learned the life lessons that I always supposed to
be independent and strong, and this forced me to show

(01:04:52):
how strong I really can be, really can be, and
I really saw it, and I was like, oh damn,
And now I understand even bigger the picture was supposed
to be. And now my fear is gone because if
we were able to succeed against a country and secret
service for six years, twenty four hours every day and

(01:05:13):
the biggest here, now any challenge that comes, I'm like, okay,
I can handle that. And I learned a lot about everything, everything,
and now I know why I actually didn't lose time.
I actually know what am I supposed to do, what
to share the story and a lot of lessons that

(01:05:34):
I have learned to share it with the people.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
Did you have a baby in the middle of all this.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
Yes, I had a baby. I have a son in the.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
Middle of this whole secure, and.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
I brought my book in the middle of all this,
But the book was nothing. Was written for a story
for me and my mother and the life in Albania.
It had nothing to do with his story. But in
twenty nineteen that they started, my book came out in
twenty one, my son, so yeah, they won in two thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
In the middle of all this, you came out with
your book, which, uh, okay, so that came on twenty
nineteen mm hm.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
And then you had your son.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
Win twenty twenty one, and then.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
That time is the middle of you fighting for your
husband's life.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
Yes, how did you birth two.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
Things in the middle of fighting for your husband's life?
Where did you find that creative energy to have life
come into the world.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
I mean, like the book was before my husband, but
I just was my motivation because I was like, I know,
certain people are what energies want to see me down
and I'm going to do everything.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
And the title of your book is called.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
Love, Hope, Light, no matter what.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
Yes, that is what your mom taught you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
Yes, no matter what. Actually, my mother doing those times
was the most amazing mother because she never told me
to give up. She always told me. She never to me,
my poor daughter, Look you got married. Look what problem
you got. You're supposed to enjoy your marriage. She always
was saying, you know you got this right, you got this.
You know if somebody can say it, imits you right,

(01:07:13):
come on, just do it like that was my mother.

Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Wow, So she just knew you had it, and you
knew you had it, you could do it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
I mean I knew that I know something personally that
this life nobody knows where we're from. Where what is
this life? You can say any theory you want to say,
you can read any book, any religion, okay, but you
don't know it for real. You have to create your
own truth. And in my own truth. I don't know

(01:07:46):
what this life is. It feels like a deep dream
and whatever it is, I want to be the best
I can be and the best version. And I don't
want to be a good person in front of other people,
but behind doors, in front of the universe, I know
that I'm not. I knew when you marry somebody and
they are in difficult position, his problems are my problems,

(01:08:10):
and then so be it. I'm going to be naked
in front of the universe and I'm going to do that.
I was born to do that, and I'm going to
do and help him.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
Are a superhero. Thank you, you really are.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
I see it like this in life. And I'm a
girl's girl. Many people when they look at me, they
don't think like that, but I'm a really girls girl.
I have so many girlfriends, so many girls, and that's
what we do. And I learned this girl's girl to
be from my mother.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
So once you got on the other side of your
husband's fight, what has life been like?

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
It has been the most difficult time of my life,
after surviving after no, because we survived one thing after another.
So first one step, second step, thirstep it was steps
done in six years and the real real finish was
happening last week.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
So you've just finished it. Yes, everything's done, Yes, but
it just last week.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
Just last week, completely completely, completely, completely completely done.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
Do you feel a sense of relief.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
I feel a sense of relief. I feel I'm very
happy that mission complete until the end, like I'm like done,
I feel stronger, I feel I wish I could share
so much in details because it takes hours, but only
if you knew the situations that we were in for

(01:09:49):
twenty four hours, for long six years I haven't even
seen in a movie, and this is true life.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
How was it parenting and newborn and all of this?

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
How was parenting you born? In all this? I mean
when he was born, it was not so bad, it
was better, But it's not that easy because then I
decided to move back to US and to be spending
more time in US, and he couldn't come yet in
the US. Your son could not No, my son, yes,
my husband.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
Okay, so you were like a single mom.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
Yeah, like a single mom and same time helping him,
same time, traveling, same time, everything. But I didn't want
to do this compromise continuing again, I'm coming back to us.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
So you had a moment where you're like, I need
to do what my soul tells me to do, which
is to go back to the United States. Like, I'm
still going to help you fight your fight, but I
can't get my whole life and be over here in
this other What country were you in Italy?

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
I mean, it's not like bad countries. I just have
something weird about me and us, Like we're very grateful
to Italy. It was amazing, amazing countries with in Albania,
everything is amazing, but something about us with me and
then my whole family suffers, my husband suffers because they

(01:11:11):
all are in Europe and and I'm like, I don't know,
like there is something I supposed to be here.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
Do you feel better now that you're back in the
US and in California.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
Yes, I feel amazing. I know that it's meant to be,
and my everything is coming a line. Everything is coming Alne. No,
he's not back yet now because last week was the
the thing. But now it's a matter of weeks time

(01:11:42):
and it's not like I wasn't I was like only
less year three times in Europe. But I decided the
last year, I said, like it's enough, I help you,
but it has to be I have to be in us.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
That isn't one year that you have been apart.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
Yeah, but there are three times like okay, but it
has been hard with a small child, traveling and going
back and forth. Wow, have our wonderful sun Kyrie. Because
I didn't want the negativity to stop me having a
family and a life that's amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
You didn't let the fear stop you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
No, that the fear never stops you. No. No, you
have to go where there is light, where it's darkness,
there is the light waiting for you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
Man, I need about sixteen more hours just to talk
to you. I feel like we've just scratched the surface.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
Angela.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
Yes, I mean I feel like there's so much I
want to talk to you about, but we're already like
over an hour.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
I know I'm gonna come to yourself to do a
part too. Doing Nashville for sure, we're.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
Gonna have to do a part two. And now that
we've gotten the baseline covered, we're gonna have to deep
dive into the rest of just your life because there
is so much to keep talking about. I mean, and
now you're about to enter a whole new chapter. Yes,
Because now you're starting a new chapter. Your husband's going
to come to LA and you're going to be free
of this past six year battle you've been fighting. So

(01:13:13):
what's next?

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
What do you think is happening next? Where do you
feel your life going.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
A lot of things But I cannot talk yet, but
in five months from now, but a lot of amazing things,
A lot of amazing things with women, with my girlfriends,
with everything, like I connected women together. Everything is gonna
be a lot of amazing things are happening, Caroline.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
Do you feel light inside now? Like what was like
you were fighting and you're warriored up and you're armored
up and you're duking it out.

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
Do you now feel like, oh my love it?

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Yes, Like now you have all this open space in
your mind and your body and your soul to like
create something new now.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
Yes, And I've been working in the meantime on the
creation for two years. It's just now coming up and
it just feels like a strength that it proves me
that life is a dream. That's what proves me, continuously
proving me. And the more you pass bigger challenges and fears,

(01:14:16):
the more you have less fear.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
Yeah. So I love that as soon as you get
past the bigger, the bigger the fear that you overcome,
the less fear you have because the fear is holding
you back because you're so afraid it's going to happen
to you. But when it happens and you're like, oh,
I live through it, exactly. So it's almost great to
be faced with good challenges and big, fearful challenges and

(01:14:41):
survive them because then you're like, oh my gosh, like
you said, if you and your husband can live through this,
what you know, like, you're unstoppable.

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
Yeah, it's unstoppable with everything. And and it's a combination
of the tools. The tools are very important. I keep
repeating the tools and the lessons of life because the
problems will, even if you pass them and you're strong,
they're going to come repeat again in your life until
you have learned that. Yeah, And you don't want to

(01:15:13):
constantly be strong about the same thing, right, you need
new problems and new problems. You don't want about the
same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
I'm done with my problems I need. Yes, I feel
you on that, Angela, Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
Oh okay.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
So I want to wrap up. I always wrap up
with leave your Light. And like I said, we have
to have another interview when you come to Nashville.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
Well, it's definitely the second one. We should have it
in Nashville death definitely.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
Okay. So I always wrap up with leave your Light.
And it's just an open question of what kind of
inspiration do you want to leave people with.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
Me? What kind of inspiration I want to leave people with?

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
Yeah, Like, just if you're going to say something inspiring
to people who just listen to this conversation, listen to
you you talk about your life and they were asking
you for like a piece of advice, a piece of inspiration.

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
What would you say.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
That life is a dream and love is the biggest superpower,
That's what I will say. And astrology is real. Like
that's all because I don't have just one thing. Life
is apostle pieces and you have to get all this
together and get one.

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
And you're a real life superhero.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
Oh thank you, Angela.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
What a fascinating human being you are.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Oh thank you Caroline.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
You are I mean, you're so dropped at gorgeous, But
then that's not that's the tip of the iceberg, because
you're just this fascinating woman who has lived a hundred
lives and you know so much about life on this deep, deep, deep,
deep level, experienced deep deep things and pain and feelings

(01:17:04):
and your parents and moving countries and all the things
like what your mom went through and your dad, and
just like your journey being in the miss universe and everything.
It's so just it's such a deep life of experiences
that you have and you have truly learned how to

(01:17:24):
receive the message and the lesson, which is just unbelievable
to hear you speak it back. So I am so
honored to have gotten this chance to talk with you
and know you, and I would love to keep up
with you and do a part too, and just stay
in your life because you're such an incredible person.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
Angela. Thank you, Caroline. You're incredible and sweet and nice. Chew.
I'm very grateful for this interview, and for sure we're
going to do a part too in your studio, and
I would love to visit Nashville. Yes, I love it
so much.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
Thank you so much, Angelaie. This was amazing, what a life,
what a story, And I cannot I cannot wait to
see the next chapter of your life story Books, because
the part you have written so far is blowing my mind.
So what is to come is going to be incredible.
I cannot wait to see how your life unfolded. Thank
you for sharing.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
Caroline, have a great day. Bye h