From Rock Bottom to Radiance: The Transformational Journey of Danette May

Danette May, America’s leading healthy lifestyle expert, has turned unimaginable pain into a global mission of healing and empowerment. After losing her son, enduring a painful divorce, and hitting financial rock bottom, Danette made a sacred promise—to rise, heal, and help others do the same. Today, she’s a world-renowned transformation coach, bestselling author, and host of The Danette May Show, where she guides millions through tools of manifestation, trauma release, and feminine power. Her work blends science, spirituality, and frequency to help people reconnect with their intuition and embody their true divine potential. Through her story and teachings, Danette reminds us that the darkest winters often birth the brightest light.

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Cary Lone.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
She's a queen and talking and you a song.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
She's getting really not afraid to feel it's so so
just let it flow.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
No one can do we quiet, cary Line. It sounds
like Caroline.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
I am so excited to be here the net May.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
I'm excited to be here with you.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
You are just so like you're just so calming, and
you're so beautiful, and you come in and you're just
like you're and I know you're an energy worker and
so like you've worked so much on your energy field,
but your energy field and your energy of who you
are is.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Just very calm and.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Very just like easy to immediately talk to you, like
you don't have any walls that like I feel that
like you have to get through.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
You know, sometimes people are just like very little.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Clothes off, closed down. No they came in with some stories.
Yeah yes, yeah, well you're saying, Actually, of course, I
think people feel really drawn to you. I think you're
really comfortable. You give off that energy even before meeting
you though, thank you, you really do.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
What do you mean Like.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
When I was looking you up, I was like, oh,
she looks fun like you. And then when you listen
to your show you realize that people feel that with you,
they feel comfortable with you, they feel like they feel
almost safe with you. I can trust. So I don't
think you want anything from anyone. You're just curious.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
I'm so curious.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, that's what I get from you. So it feels good.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
I really I started this podcast nine years ago because
I have been looking for my self worth for so long,
and that's why I want. I can't wait to talk
to you because you're so you have found your worth,
and now you are so good at helping women, especially
find their worth, and it's such a journey to self worth,
especially when.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
You like I grew up great.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
I had a great childhood, great parents, like literally no
big t trauma and I.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
No big really big trauma.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
I mean I could break stuff down and I.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Well, I guess you labeled it big tea, big tea.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Like nobody died.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
I wasn't like abused, you know, like I didn't like
my parents stayed married, like they taught me good values.
I had a big extended family of like great people.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Everybody.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Of course there's like problems, so it's perfect, but overall,
like I grew up really well, and but I just always, always,
always never felt like I was enough. Never I've never
felt like I was enough. I never felt like I
was valued. I mean not that I wasn't valued. I
never felt worthy. And so I came to Nashville to

(02:44):
try to get famous. So if I could get famous.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
How old were you when you came to Nashville nineteen
to do singing? Right, to be a singer? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Yes, And I had a great, good, long, successful journey
with that. But I was like, if I could just
get famous, then I could become valuable. Ooh, then I
could be loved, and then I could love myself, you know.
And so doing all that journey, I learned everything about
myself and I have truly learned to like love myself

(03:13):
because I.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Just exist exist. So how did you? I'm curious. I'm sorry,
but I'm gonna ask.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
I can't wait to hear about you because you're also
a podcast. But let me give you a little introduction about.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Really sorry, because now have a question.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
She's America's leading healthy life style expert. You are a
global transformation coach, a best selling author, and entrepreneur, the
host of The Janette May Show with hundreds of thousands
of downloads, Her work focuses on healing tools fimin and
power manifestation, trauma release, and rewiring the subconscious mind, which
has been the journey I've been on, I swear for

(03:44):
the past twenty years. She has welcomed powerful guests like
Gabby Bernstein and Jamie kern Lima to her show. You've
been featured and access Hollywood, having to post CBS Los Angeles.
You have millions of followers and subscribers, I mean point
million email subscribers. That's incredible, Okay, and then you've written
two best selling books, Embrace Abundance The Rise. And this

(04:07):
is where I feel like your meat of who you
are is before you were thirty years old, I had
already lost a son during childbirth, suffered through a hard divorce.
This is your quote, was forced to live on forty
seven dollars and sixty three cents to my name, and
was a scared single mom sleeping on the floor so
my child could have the one bed in a tiny apartment.
And then after months of severe depression and feeling lost

(04:27):
and confused, you made the decision to fight back. You
had to because you're dying inside. And I just feel like,
what a moment. What a pivotal moment that you could
have literally just died, you know, you lost a son
in childbirth, like you don't have any money, you're going.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
Through a divorce. It's just like, how.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Much more overwhelming can life get in a single moment?

Speaker 1 (04:50):
You know.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, it's interesting that we're talking about that version of
my past because you know, like you just mentioned, you've
gone through some hard things. I think a lot of
people are going through their hard moments in twenty twenty
four to twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Five, you think, So, why do you think that?

Speaker 2 (05:04):
I just feel like it's collectively an astrological way of
being right now with everything in the world, I think
it's an opportunity. Actually, I think people are going through
hard things for the shifting off to get to the
real parts of what do they want, what really serves them,
shaking off old relationships, shaking off old jobs, shaking off

(05:24):
old ways, you know, like I said, just patission behaviors. Yes,
it's an opportunity when you go through hard things. It's
actually an opportunity, I know. But it's hard when you're
in it.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Awful, it's awful.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yeah, Yes, I do feel that in the world right
now I feel like the world is just everything is
just exploding. It's just crazy, like everything that felt secure,
like you know, you feel like, oh, well, at least
I grew up, and I didn't really grow up with
like any government issues until like right now, and now like.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
The veil is like getting lifted and.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
It's like, oh my gosh, everything is a system. There's
corruption and everywhere, like literally human beings are running this
all and it's all flawed and we're just in this
whole like you, I think you've called it for like
a simulation, this video, this this existence that's just been
created by people's manifestations and collective manifestations.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
It is.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
And now it's like maybe we're realizing we don't necessarily
like the way it's all playing out, or things can't
exist this way anymore. Like how do you feel about
what's happening in our universe and in our particular Earth
school right now?

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Well? I do know, and I want to be sensitive
because I do actually believe a lot of people are
going through really hard things right now, and they're real
to them, and they are difficult, and they're bringing you
to your knees and they are dismantling and they're scary.
But for me, honestly, if I'm really real about it,
I don't feel afraid about anything that's actually happening right now.
I actually think it's necessary because I can look back

(06:51):
on my own life and the really hard things, the dismantling,
the death of my son, anything that I went through
that was really hard actually was alchemy and was an
opportunity to the evolution, to the growth, to the expansion.
And so I believe humanity is shaking off. I think
the Earth's shaking off what no longer really serves, and
it's an opportunity right now, and it's gonna get probably

(07:14):
a little bit more gnarly could possibly and for some
maybe a little harder. Buckle up, It's okay because I
believe it's all necessary and it's going to help bring
you to your knees. It is going to shake your
faith to really grab a hold of your faith. It
is going to have you go what do I really
want to do in this life? And who really matters?
And what really matters? Because we put a lot of

(07:35):
value in material things. We put a lot of value.
Like you said, you're like putting value into things. To
find your value right to be Like, if I do this,
then I'll be important. If I am loved by X,
Y and Z, then I will love myself. And I
think when we go through hard things, I don't think.
I know, when we go through really hard things, it
gets you so humble and it brings you to your

(07:55):
knees to where you go, Oh, it's being.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
In a higher power because there's nothing left, nothing less,
like you literally have to get completely broken to when
there's nothing left. Yeah, I mean, I guess some people,
maybe some people are born with just clarity and wisdom
and just like I don't know, though you have to.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Go through it. You cannot escape it.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
I think we're born with it. But then we get
condition and conditioning, Yeah, we get conditioned. I think all
kids are born with this deep love and this fire
and this like wisdom and this like confidence almost like
little kids have some confidence, yes, and then it just
starts life, just starts life in and then they have
to rEFInd it.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
And also so much conditioning. And you talk about this
a lot.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
You're saying, before the death of your son, you were
very controlled by fear. Oh yeah, and the past conditioning
that you had had just grown up with and I
think that that's so important for people to be aware of.
That is like we're immediately born into a family with
values of that family or chaos of that family, and
like you're born into a race, a gender, a religion,

(08:58):
most likely a country. You're all these things are put
on you. And then you have like all the people
in your life like that influence you, your teachers, your
all the mentors, all the elders in your life, all
the children, and all these things influence you. And then
you have all these traumatic situations that happen that your
body responds to, and then you hold that trauma, and
then you trauma respond to things. And it's like years

(09:20):
and years and years and years. And I was never
like my parents' parents did not have therapy.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
They did not Our parents generation did not have that.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
And I feel like, you know, our generation is like
the first one who's like, Okay, I've got to actually
take a look at this in unbox this because it's
really hampering my existence in my life.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
But like it's just such a new thing for our generations.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
So like I have been going pack through the past
forty years and just trying to like just rewire and dismantle,
and it has taken me so long.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
And I don't even know if we're fully there right,
and permission to not be fully there, permission to be
like you, I know, we're still evolving, We're still looking
at the programming. We're still going, Oh, do I really
believe that? Do I really like that? Who am I?
That's why I always question people that are like, are
you being authentic? I'm like, I don't think any of
us really know what our authentic self is fully yet

(10:15):
most of us are not because we are so programmed. Yeah,
so how would we know our authentic self?

Speaker 1 (10:22):
So you did your son die during child birth?

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (10:26):
So, and you had an intuition about it? Is that
what you said?

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yeah? So this has actually been Now I can look
back and say, this has been my greatest gift, one
of my greatest gifts. Obviously, it was really really difficult
in the moment. So I was living a life that
was very much like turning off my intuition because I
was trying to fit in. I was trying to live
into the belief systems that were programmed onto me, which

(10:50):
means that's your tribe, right, And so when you're doing that,
you're not really tuning into your own intuition, because that
means leaving the tribe, that means dismantle certain belief systems.
So when my son, I could feel this intuition that
something was wrong.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Which is in your belly.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Yeah, and I was about seven ish months, right, and
I you know, I would always like, we go my
belly to try to see if he would kick, you know,
all you do when you're pregnant. And I remember him
just not moving and I remember going, something's not right.
You could feel it, Yeah, I could feel it. And
it was a rare moment because I was alone in

(11:28):
the living room and it was quiet, and my intuition
was screaming, and I just was like, ah, and I
know now why I got up and got busy. I
got up and did the dishes. It was totally because
that's what I did all the time. And where do
we do this in our lives? We have an intuition
about our partner and intuition about a friend, or an

(11:49):
intuition around a job or a belief system. We're holding
onto a judgment, but we don't want to unpack it,
we don't really want to face it, so we get busy.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
Why don't we want to face it because it means change,
that fear, it means change. But what also, like, we
might discover something about ourselves. Do you think that we're
trying to deny.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Well, I believe that fundamentally, as humans, we want to
fit in, we want to be seen, we want to
be loved, and we don't want to be alone. So
some of our intuitions are telling us about our relationships.
What does that mean? Oh, now I've got to have
these hard conversations. What if my spouse leaves me? If
I have these hard conversations, what if I discover something
I don't like and then now I have to sit

(12:29):
with that. There's so much behind it and.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
Right change because then you have to make a change
because what if you do find out something that you've
kind of knew already, then you have to go do
something right.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
That's why so many people are like, don't I don't
want to know too much.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Because it all is change.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Like, yeah, because I think people who do this in
government or what's going on in the world. Yeah, I'm
not going to choose to see that that way because
that means that dismantles all my other belief systems.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
And then I'm rocked to my core and I'm at
ground zero, and what do I do with my life?

Speaker 1 (12:59):
Because I've built it completely on.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
We're building our lives on an illusion. All of us are,
and we're afraid of facing the illusion.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
I know it's really scary, but it's worse if you don't.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
I think so. I mean, I guess you could numb out.
People do numb out, humanity does numb out.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
But I guess it depends on what you want out
of life exactly. You know, like if you just want
to die and I wished that this was me, if
you just want to like dial it in, have a
you know, just an American dreams best you can make it,
blind yourself to everything going on, and just live in
this moment, in this reality, which is wonderful, and not

(13:40):
really worry about anything else, not really worry about your
spiritual wellbeing, or you know, just kind of have everything
just like stay with your conditioning, don't question it.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Just kind of like yeah, people do do that, yeah,
but not there's certain souls that cannot do that. You're
not one of them. I'm not one of them.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Ever been able to.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
I have had doubts about everything system related my whole life,
and like every time I was thrown into a system
or thrown into a machine type situation, I always would
feel sick and I would get like a sick feeling
like this is not right, like I cannot.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Be here exactly. You know, you're quite intuitive.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
But it's so exhausting, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Friends that are just like they're just like see everything
really really rosy, and I love that for them, and
I'm like, dang, I just don't have that in my DNA.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
I don't either, But I love that you say when
you're spiraling, just try to spiral upward about all the
good things that can happen, because that is so true.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Well, I actually believe all the hard things we're witnessing
is for the greater good personally, that's my belief system.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
Yeah, I agree with you. Okay, So tell me, Abauck
to your intuition. You had this intuition at seven months yeap, something.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Was wrong, but I went and got busy, so I
didn't do anything about it, and then later started bleeding,
and of course then you go to the hospital. Right,
there's physical signs. And I think we can all relate
this in our lives in some shape or form. It
doesn't have to be a passing up a child, But
where else do we do this? And went to the hospital,
I had him, you know, just like you normally would

(15:06):
what had happened. They did autopsies on him because the
doctor asked if they could, because they were so confused
why he had passed and they could not find out why.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
Nothing was wrong.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Nothing was wrong, so they didn't know if something happened
after with the nurses, they were very confused. And I personally,
I live with the spirit. I feel him so strong,
like he's with me all the time. And now I
recognize it a lot more than I did back then,
and I think that some souls come in to wake
us up totally, come and go.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
I totally agree with you because they're chillin the most
up and yeah, well.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
They're they're able to be with you more than they
could in the physical realm totally. So I believe in
these realms now and I'm able to feel it and
know this with my bones, so it's not as sad anymore.
I'm like, actually really grateful.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
What happened to you in that moment though, because that
was a pidole moment that was a pivotal That was
a turning point moment for.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
You, turning point for sure, and it didn't happen instantly.
So I think it's important for people to know if
you're in your turning point moment, it will just feel
like garbage and crap and downfall, but it will turn.
And that's why I say, don't be so afraid of suffering.
Don't be so afraid of this chaos because suffering.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Aren't we so afraid of suffering?

Speaker 2 (16:18):
We are? We are. And I always think of Napoleon Hill,
he says, And I held on to this quote so
many times because my life was chaotic. He says, out
of chaos comes equal or greater good. And I'm like, yes,
out of chaos it's like that washing machine. It's like
just humbling and you're just spinning out of control. Out
of chaos comes equal or greater good. And so yes,

(16:39):
I went into deep depression. I just question everything in
my life. But there's kind of a gift when you
hit rock bottom, because then you're like, I don't even
care anymore. I have nothing to try to prove to anyone.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
You're really pressed, You're like I don't care, but nothing
can hurt you worse either. Yea. It's like, when you've
been hurt the worst, can you live through it? Nothing? Can.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
You've already been trying to live into the facade of
what people think of you. You're not trying to be
the most spiritual in your church. You're not trying to
be anything because you're just.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
Depressed and you're just trying to survive.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Literally, you're all your friends are gone, all the the
need to approve approval is over because you're literally just
trying to get through the day.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
You're like, don't even invite me to the party. I
don't want to come anyway. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, yeah,
that's what happened.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
And how long were you there?

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Not very long, thankfully, because I had a daughter, and
that you know, when you have a child, they got
to eat. I tried for a while, tried to help her,
teach her how to climb the cabinets and like get
her own stuff and try to navigate life in bed
with the child. But you know, they do have needs.
They do pull you out. And I'm not sure how
long I was there. I think it just came in

(17:47):
and out every now and again, and I started to
really go I need to come back. I need to
like go back to what I know, which I was
a trainer at the time, so I knew movement would help.
I knew that really healing foods would help. You're not
really motivated for those things, but you do know in
your brain that it could help. So I would start
with those things, and that was where I started to

(18:09):
really dive into the power of it because I knew
those concepts, but now I was living it. So then
that actually started making me go, ooh, I want to
help other people. Maybe I can make some magic out
of this mess, you know. And that's really where it
started taking me down, this superfoods around this like movement,
and then I started to Okay, maybe I can help

(18:30):
other women with this. Maybe I can you know, be
a voice for this. And that's where the business kind
of went from there.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
So is your main job coaching, Well.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
It started I was a fitness person.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah, you Eve has a fitness books out there.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Oh yeah, like this is where the email list came from.
This is where because I was We've had over a
million people go through our programs.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
So your fitness program.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yeah, so it was all like detox programs at first.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Okay, so you have a detox program, you.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Have fitness programs. It was like this, like whole fitness
realm first. Yeah, and then I you know what happens
when you start to really take care of this vessel
that you live in, You start feeling spirit more, you
start to love yourself more, you start to get your voice.
And then that's when the coaching started to come online.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
So when you started waking up to your intuition. If
you said when your son passed away, you made almost
an agreement with him that you would not ignore it anymore.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yep, is that right?

Speaker 2 (19:39):
That's absolutely true?

Speaker 1 (19:40):
And so how do you hear it now? And has
it ever told you to do something? You're like, no,
I don't.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
Talk too Like that's good to be very disruptive all
the time. So what does intuition feel like to you?

Speaker 1 (19:51):
How do you hear it? How? How do you feel
it in your body? Where do you feel it in
your body?

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yeah, this is where people can get hung up because
everyone has intuition. I want to scream that from the rooftops.
We all have intuition. We've just become really good at
turning it off. We're really good at it because it's
any type of I like the word niggle because it
feels kind of like a niggle. It's like a little
bit of a hit of an idea, and you usually

(20:15):
get it at night or in the quiet moments. That's
why no one really wants to be quiet. That's why
we're distracted on our phones a lot. It's why we
watch TV, or like, I gotta go hang out with
a friend, I can't be alone. The more you're alone,
or the more you get off your phone, like if
you want to like turn on your intuition, I always
say the greatest medicine more than ayahuasca. I think this
is honestly going to be the biggest threshold in our

(20:38):
humanity moving forward, is to get off five g like
to get off grid, to go somewhere where your cell
phone doesn't work. You will like turn that sucker on
really high. Like if you can just do that, like
do it for twenty four hours, then try forty eight hours.
It becomes even more apparent if you're like not used
to hearing your own intuition. I always recommend that it's
better than a mushroom trip.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Have you done some journeys?

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yeah, yeah, right. I love that. I've done a few
journeys myself.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Okay, I did a few mushroom journeys after I had
several misc carriages.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
And it was very, very.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Very healing for you, so healing. I love hearing that.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yes, it just took me to my subconscious and I
was able to and to.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
These deeper contracts and these deeper knowings of why, which
is really powerful.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
And it really connected me back to the whole thing
that I have made up my entire life. And how
lucky am I to have like a beautiful family, to
love here and like to be in this life and
to realize that it's all just because we're infinite nothingness
and we've created all of this existence and it's like
what a gift to be here to feel this into.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Like wow, So that just you saw all that?

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Oh yeah, I saw everything.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
I went back to black like nothing, like complete just
blackness of the universe.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Oh man, it was really cool. Is this recent for
you or not?

Speaker 3 (21:52):
So I did this probably two years ago, and then
i'd done it a year before. I Yeah, I had
a bunch of miscarriages, had three before my daughter and
my daughters born. No, I had two before my daughter
and my daughter's born, and then I had three after
and I just was like wrecked about it, obviously, and
I went to all the talk therapy you go to,
which I love talk therapy, but you do you like

(22:14):
I do?

Speaker 1 (22:14):
I do?

Speaker 2 (22:15):
I do.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
It has really helped me identify my themes. Talk therapy
it really you can hear it. I can hear it,
and then I can like repeat it. I'm repeating it
over and over again. I'm repeating the same things over
and over again. That finally I realized those are the things,
and then it allows me to get to the root
of those things. And then I've like completely cleared those things.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
You know, Okay, yeah, and then you've but you've also
tried other avenues, which I love that you've tried all
sorts of different avenues. Wait, what is your favorite?

Speaker 1 (22:43):
I think I've needed it all.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
You've needed it all.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
I think I've needed it.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
They're all just kind of stack on each other and
they work with each other.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
I needed the talk therapy first because that showed me
I could speak my darkest fears. I always thought that
if I spoke out loud what I was ashamed of
and what I was and what I felt what I
felt made me unworthy. If I spoke that out loud,
then I would immediately be unloved, and so the fact
that powerful. Yeah, So that's where talk therapy really helped me.

(23:09):
As I started speaking out loud and I started realizing
that it wasn't who I was and I didn't have
to attach myself to that.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
So that was really powerful.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
I did that for like ten years, and I used
to struggle, like eating disorders and all sorts of stuff
just because I didn't love myself. You know, I didn't
know how, I didn't know how to feel worthy, and
so I just like was harming myself and I had
bad self talk and I just all of it. And
so talk therapy like a therapist, and then I'm in
therapy groups. That was like such a great place to
just be starterble and to realize that like everybody has stuff,

(23:41):
exactly awful stuff and embarrassing things and traumatic things and
feels unworthy and like gross about themselves. And then once
you can say it out loud, it's like, oh, you know,
secrets keep you sick. It's like, oh, I'm really actually
amazing and that's really not me, and like I can
really clear that. So that was great, But then like
with the miscarriages, I just couldn't I couldn't get over it.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
It's just a lot.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
Yeah, it was just so so so deeply painful. That
then once I did the two mushroom journeys with a healer.
She's a doula and a healer, and.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
I was like, oh my gosh, like wow, how amazing
is his life?

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yeah? Wow, what about you perspective?

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Have your journey's changed you in your therapies?

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Well, it's interesting. I don't do therapy. I haven't found
anyone that I resonate with, which is interesting. I tried it. Yeah,
my kids do it, and so I am a big
proponent for it for those that I just haven't found.
So I really studied the mind, the subconscious mind. I've

(24:41):
been studying it for years. I think I was working
on myself, you know, truthfully, just to figure my own
brain out. But my very first journey actually was with
ayahuasca okay, which is such a big one to go with,
Like I travel Okay. I was in coast living with
my family, and the neighbor came over and she was like, hey,

(25:03):
I barely knew this woman living with your family in Costarica.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Your whole family was living in your kids, Yes, put.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Them in school and everything. No, I did it in
Bali too.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
No you did not. Yes, Oh you're so cool. Oh
you do those kind of things. See that.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
Yeah, you will just uproot and go and lit in
Bali or in Costa Rica with your whole family.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah. My husband is very grounded.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
He's a very second husband.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
After the divorce.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah, yeah, after the divorce and I was like, this
is what we must.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
Do as a single mom.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
No, we well I did go with my kids as
a single mom to Costa Rica. And then when we
got married with my current husband, I was like, this
is going to be really good for our family. And
he's like, we're poor, Like you're telling me we're going
to pay for rent here in the US and go
for rent in Costa Rica, which the place I wanted
to go in Costa Rica is kind of like New
York prices. So no, Sara, it was not cheap.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
I love to sorry, that's what we went for our honeymoon.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yes, so back in the day it was cheaper, but
it's not cheap now. Yeah, And so we just live
in this like we call it glamping. It was like glamping.
We lived with the bugs in this house, but we
lived down there. It was the best thing we could
have done for our family, truly, the best thing was
why was it so great? Well, we want We're in
a small, small house and no dishwasher. Right, kids are

(26:16):
washing dishes. You're good, Okay, kids are washing dishes the
community like I put them in the school with kids
from Israel, from Costa Rica. They were expats from different.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Locations throughout the world. The eco school.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
It wasn't it's actually still not. Like parents had to volunteer.
I was like the gym teacher, and they planted their
own vegetables. The kids would come over to our house
after school. They would swim in the pool like everything
was simplified. And I told them we could bring ten
things from our home. So we we did ten things.
How old were your daughters at this, Well, my youngest

(26:52):
I think was five or six, and then my oldest
was Actually she got our period there. I remember that
being a big moment because everything grows fast there. I'm like,
you don't have hair period, You're gonna get quicker.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Their customer, Really, why is that?

Speaker 2 (27:06):
I don't know, But everything goes fast and coast. You
got even your dreams, even your intentions and manifestation. It's
funny you went there. But yeah, okay, so she was
like ten or eleven. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, we
lived there and went to school.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
Gosh, were you able to like do that with like
custody and stuff.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Well it wasn't it was It wasn't pretty. I just
basically grabbed him out of school and headed to the airport. Okay,
that's the whole story that one.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
Yeah, I have a friend who just went through divorce,
so I'm very aware of like the custody.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Oh well he never paid child support, so I was like, eh,
well that'll get brought up in court then, and he's
not going to do that. So I'm taking them.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
So you just took a you just I just took
them with it. Yeah, I figured that it all worked out.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Okay, So how many years were real there?

Speaker 2 (27:49):
We weren't very long. We were only there for like
four or five months. Yeah, but it was just a reces. Oh,
it's amazing. It was amazing. But anyway, the neighbor invited
me to do this ayahuasca journey, which was happened to
be on the marriage date of my first husband, who's
really who I was healing from anyway, right, And so
I was like, okay, I'll do this. And I hadn't

(28:10):
had any coffee in my life and no caffeine in
my life prior to that, or any alcohol.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
So because you had so much fear around.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
That, Yeah, so you can imagine like I just went
for the big guns.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Were you scared, like if you drink alcohol you'd become
an alcoholic or something.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
No, it's just you were taught in my religion, we
were taught.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
That it was bad.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Okay, Like it's like, what was your religion. It's like
devil juice. Okay, Mormon?

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Okay, Mormon?

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Yeah yeah, yeah, So not that they called it double juice.
I'm making that up, but yeah, I just never.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
Did, which I mean I understand how it could become
devil juice for sure.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Would you have used anything, right, anything?

Speaker 2 (28:46):
I mean, come on, they're drinking a lot of pepsi
and coke over there, and they're like swigs. I think
it's called swig. I'm like, I don't know what's healthier?
Actually alcohol? Are this like carbonated coke and pepsi? It's
really really bad for my health. Perfect this perspective, it's
really bad.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yeah, so you get invited by your neighbor, do Iowaska drink?

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Totally do it?

Speaker 1 (29:07):
You totally do it. It's a long process, right.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah, it's all through the night. You're drinking this stuff.
It's a crazy experience. But you have this healer who
had come up from Columbia to be with us, right,
and they're doing their chance and their prayers through the night.
Have you heard of this? Have you done it?

Speaker 1 (29:21):
I've ever done iaouask yet? I've done mushrooms?

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Yeah? Yeah. And I they keep calling me up to
drink more than everyone else, which I'm like, I don't like.
Why me like, but I'm not having an experience like
people are vomiting because it does a lot of purging. Yeah,
it does, your body does all these things. But I
was just not even or like they see visuals. I

(29:45):
wasn't experiencing anything. So they kept calling me up to
drink more. And the solution is quite because it comes
from two different trees that they're combining together, which is
really quite miraculous how they discovered it, because the Shamans
actually got visions of what trees to combine and then
they boiled it up and then you drink it and
it has its own health benefits in an interesting way.

(30:05):
But so I'm drinking more and more of it. I'm
still not having experience. Morning sunlight comes up, everybody's awake.
I still have not had an experience. I'm like my body,
I have drink more than everybody in this room. I'm
probably probably half the size of half of you. I'm like,
what is happening? And they kept telling me to open
my heart, which I was like, I have a pretty
open heart, you know. What the heck. So everybody starts

(30:28):
to gather have some breakfast, sharing their experience, and I'm like,
I did everything right. I fasted before this. I don't
drink alcohol, I don't drink coffee. And then I just
like sulked off into the jungle and was like, I
gonna go sit on the beach. Yeah, I didn't talk
to me. And then I like sat on the beach
and I was like just kind of like, wow, I

(30:50):
have a lot of solution to me, and nothing's happened.
I like went into the tidepool, and I remember I
went into this tidepool, and if you've ever been into
a tidepool. They're just kind of like these small bodies
of water when the water goes out, and I'm sitting
in there, and all of a sudden, all these fish
are literally lining up my whole body, like their heads

(31:10):
are towards my body. Like my whole body was surrounded
by fish. And I was like, I think something's going on.
Like honestly, I'm like something has to be going on.
Why are the fish lined up along my body? Like yeah,
like I'm something that they want to be around. It
was really strange. And then all of a sudden I
went into it full on.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Did you stay on the beach? Did you go back?

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Yeah? Well I was in a tide pool, so it's
not deep water, and I just had a full on experience.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
What happened? What did you release?

Speaker 2 (31:38):
What was the judgment? The message that you was about judgment?
For me?

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Were you judging yourself or others?

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Everything?

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Everything?

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Judging a lot of people. There was a woman who
sat next to me in the Ayahuasca ceremony. Before we start,
we set up our little bed and I was like, oh,
I'm next to the kind of loud girl, Like I
don't want to sit next to her and I was
told before when she was setting down to be nice
to her, and I didn't. I just was like, I'm
gonna be I want to have a journey. Yeah, And
so it was like that girl, you judged her. I

(32:08):
asked you to be nice to her, I asked you
to open your heart to her, and you didn't. So
it was like you send her love now, Like it
was stuff like that, like you're judging your upbringing, you're
judging your ex, you're judging life, you're judging so.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
And you're upset the things haven't gone the way you
wanted them to. Yeah, and like Matt probably deeply, deeply
upset about it.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Yeah. So yeah, So I just had a thing about
judgment and then also release love. It was a it
was a release, but it was really more about loving yourself,
seeing the beauty in yourself, stopping the judgment. So it
was profound. But I also feel like mushrooms is just
as profound actually without all the sludge.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
I will not think too like, if you really are
trying to get that get that information and you need
just like I think you can probably it probably shows
up in many ways if you're like looking for it.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Right, absolutely you don't have to actually take anything.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
Right, you really teach that absolutely, teach about that Kashak records,
which I'm so fascinated in.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Have you done?

Speaker 1 (33:07):
I have tried to open up my Kashak records?

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (33:10):
I have so much.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
Resistance though, I don't know. I just have resistance in everything.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Really, yeah, Like what does that resistance show up? Ass Like,
what does that feel like? Is it a thought or
is it in your body?

Speaker 1 (33:20):
I just at the core of who I am.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
I need I need control so much to be safe
that I just can't release.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Are you afraid that you might discover something in the
Acauschaks you don't want to?

Speaker 1 (33:33):
No, No, I want to discover it all.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
I think I'm so my my subconscious I need to
like communicate with it that we can relax, because it's
just at the end of it all and I can.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
I'm so chill, laid back, whatever. But if I get
to the back.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Of it all and there's the root of it, it
is tightly gripped, and I have been working on that
for a long time to release it. But I think
I just have a hard time surrendering into like I
could never really I was never good at getting drunk.
It's like me forever to learn how to orgasm. I
got tried to get hypnotized before, and I couldn't release.
I couldn't go back into like I couldn't like.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
So you were born with this problem.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
I am so at the end of the day, I'm
going to be in control mentally, like I am going
to like know what is happening, and I'm gonna.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Secretly be trolling.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
And I've really tried hard to let all that go forever,
and I've come a long way. Like I have learned
how to release in a lot of ways, but I
also when it comes to like just releasing, it is
hard for me.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
So I have had hard time connecting with.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
My That's probably why mushrooms was good for you, because
you cannot actually be in control.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Took me out of it. I took me out of
my control.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
And my healer said I was the biggest OH she'd
ever given to anyone, because like I wouldn't like the resistance.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Yeah, I was gonna say, well, that's beautiful, So you
know it's a possibility. It's just there's somehow, some way
you created an idea that I need to be in control.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
I can't control.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yeah, and I can't lose control. I don't you probably
don't choose to lose control.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
So like when I've tried to tap into Kasha records,
like I don't know how to release that last little
like hot spot in my brain that's just holding on
so tightly.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Ooh interesting. Have you ever been in trance?

Speaker 1 (35:19):
No?

Speaker 2 (35:20):
No, like going into deep theta visualization or trance.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
I mean I've like in meditation, like laid down and
like I will visualize things.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Oh yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. I think you're a magic bringer.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
I think you.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
I was just telling you before. I think we picked
up these microphones that you I can tell that you
can create. Yeah, it's natural to you actually.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
But I'm also like I'm wondering, like with all my miscarriages,
I'm like I can create, but then do I like
stop my process because I have so much fear or
something that creeps in?

Speaker 1 (35:48):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Well, sometimes things are divine, They're already orchestrated, right, right,
Like what has that taught you?

Speaker 1 (35:54):
What are these miscarriages everything?

Speaker 2 (35:56):
These little souls that came in and then they went out,
Like what did they Yeah? What did they tease? I'm curious,
oh everything it taught me.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Just I don't really hold on to I don't really
care about much anymore.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
You know.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
I used to care so much about everything and everyone
loving me and everyone and.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
How I was presenting and how I was like appearing
to the world. And now I'm such a homebody. I
like literally just love to be in my little space.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
I don't like going out.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
I just love to be connected to my animals, my family.
Like it really just in this moment of this life,
I feel like, oftentimes very boring, but I think it's
cleared a lot of just.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Layers that I of just being.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
A validation of out word and receiving all of that
outwardly and think that's powerful. Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
It was worth the lessons.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
I don't know, if anything, I don't worth it as
the right way of saying it, but kind of like
I don't regret it.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Yes, I know that it's changed me in a good,
profound way.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Mm hmmm. Yeah, maybe that was what you signed up for.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
Yeah, so we sign up for stuff. Tell me about
Kashak Records and what we sign up for because I
love all that.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
I love who you are by the way I say
a million things. So I'm like, can you tell me
our eyes? Tell me because I know what the voice says,
but I'm like, tell me more.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
I just want to know how you get there, to
what the to the surrender of like being able to
communicate with your higher self, to knowing what your actually
soul wants to do in this life too, you know, okay,
because I feel my intuition very strongly and I can
listen to that all day, like I'm very connected to that,
but like when I start trying to connect beyond myself,

(37:50):
I can't really do it.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Well.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
If you're already connecting to your intuition, you're already connecting
beyond yourself.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Right right, right right?

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Okay, So I think I'm gonna share a story, would you.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (38:03):
I'm like, do I share this because it's fresh off
the press?

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Share it? But this will share with you kind of
how I handle spirit, Okay, And I don't share before
I share the story because it just happened last night,
oh fresh fresh, Yeah, yes, but I was talking to
my girlfriend and my husband this morning about it because
these are people that I know won't judge it, And
I'm like, why am I sharing right here? On your show.

(38:28):
But maybe someone needs to hear this because I and
I'm not sharing this because it's it's only special to me,
because I actually believe we all have these abilities to
listen to a higher power or a higher spirit, whatever
you believe in. So something that I've been really curious
about was these other beings. And I do sweat lodge

(38:49):
with the Native Americans the la Quota, which has taught
me a lot around Huh, what a sweat lodge? Oh,
you don't know, sweat lodge. I love that you're asking
this question. Okay, sweat and temiscal. So the Mayans do
the temiscal and the Native American do sweat lodge, which
is very similar. Which is fascinating to me that these
two cultures that supposedly never knew of one another have

(39:12):
the exact same spiritual ceremony, which is in a sweat lodge.
They would take animal hides and create this like dome,
which is to mimic the womb of the mother. And
then they have sacred stones that they would find a
very specific spots and they still have this today. And
these sacred stones they would burn in the fire with
the herbs, and they would tend to them all day
and they come from ground. They'd call them the stones

(39:33):
of the Father, and then they bring them in and
you file into the small little hut. Basically you have
to get on your knees to crawl in, like you're
going into the womb, and it's dark and there's a
hole in the middle. And the temiscal is the same
for the Mayans, and I'm very connected to the Mayans
and the Native Americans, but they're very similar ceremonies and
you go in and you're sitting with your tribe and
it's dark in there. To remind you that I don't

(39:56):
need to look at your beauty. You don't need to
look at my beauty, your status all in the womb.
You're back into the womb and these stones get brought
in and they're blessed, and the shaman or the medicine
man is taking you through the four directions, saying what
the temiskull in the directions the northeast, west, south and
literal directions, and these directions have the spirits. And I've

(40:21):
obviously done a lot of temiskull, and I've had different
energies and spirits come through, but I'm in these Native.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Like just sweating place.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Oh yeah, and it would. It would they would use
it as medicine because they would heal people's ailments in
their body.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
The toxins.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Absolutely, So there's always a physical ani metaphysical. I've noticed
in everything in life that.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
I love that connection.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Yeah. So there's these healing properties that are actually happens. Yeah,
and you're breathing in these herbs, so it's clearing respiratory issues.
It's creating all these different so.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
Theyll going back in your body, loosening up your blood
and clogs or whatever is happening toxins.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Yeah, and they're throwing that herb water, this blessed water
onto these stones and it's creating the steam. Right. So
I've been you know, I find this interesting around the
spirit realm, where if we think of like oh, someone's
turning on the lights, or I feel a spirit in
the house, like I must be scared, Like we're grown
up with we are raised with these ideas in our

(41:19):
usually our American culture, that that's scary or that's bad,
or it must be bad, or it must be dark.
And I've learned from the Native Americans that that's normal
and that we've lost our way and that the spirits
are here and they're always they're always with us. And
yes there can be spirits that are not of the
highest good, but more there are spirits that are really

(41:41):
wanting to support you and you and me and everybody right,
but they won't come in unless you ask, unless you say,
show me that you're here, and show me that you're
here to bless me and please protect me and guide
me and whatever your thing you're going through. So I'm
in sweat lodge and spirits are there, like you will

(42:01):
see them, they're in front of your eyes. You're at
first your brain goes, oh, they're so talented at passing
around like little rattles, like they literally will go in
your ear. They will drop things on you. They will
put water on you when the no one's put water
on you, like they're they're very much as real as
you and me. Okay, So that was when I learned
that it's from that tribe, which I'm so grateful. So

(42:24):
last night, this is so, this is why I'm going
to share this story. So last and I've been asking
for more spirit engagement that's from the highest loving source.
You always want to say that, and I get into
Nashville at midnight, and I grid my room because I
don't know the energy. I don't know who's been in
my room. I don't know what I believe in the

(42:45):
power of energy. So I put some crystals around my
bed and then I put usually I burned capoul, like
a little incense stick of capoul, because capaul in the
mind culture is really about clearing out any energy or
bringing good spirits in your ancestors or whatnot. So I
did that. It was late. I go to bed middle
of the nights. Well, now I know it was around

(43:06):
four am, because that time.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
That you say is yes's connected to But.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
You know, when you're in a hotel room, it is
pitch dark because I cover all the weird lights that
they like to put on the devices. And I hear
a man's low voice last night, oh in the morning. Yeah,
So I'm like, it's like but I can't make out
what it's saying, and I can feel a presence. But

(43:32):
I'm also like, am I dreamings? You know how? You
just yeah? And so I like open my eyes and
across the wall on the TV. You know how when
you're TV sometimes it's like that loading circle is on
the TV. And it says loading, but there's a man's voice,
and I'm like the TV's oh yeah, you're getting chills
because and I'm like, but I don't feel good because

(43:56):
I'm alone. I'm in this hotel room. I'm like, my brain,
your human brain, likes to go to who's in the room?
Who turned this TV on? Is there? Even my brain
was like is there a hole in the wall? Like
is someone like messing with me? Because now I'm looking

(44:17):
on the sides of the you know, the nightstands for
the remote because now the TV actually has come on
to you know where they have like the weather and
like just like a with yeah, like a home screen type,
and I'm like, there's no remote next to me. There's
no remote on the other side of the night stand.
I'm like, oh my gosh. So i crawl out of
bed and I'm like filling on the side of the

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TV for any on or off button and I can't
feel one. And the TV's now going it's bright, so
I'm like and I can feel an energy in the room.
I can feel it. So I'm not really comfortable. I
don't know what this is all about, why it's here.
And I've had other experiences. But I'm a Nashville and
I'm by myself. So I then, you know, turn on

(44:59):
the big lights because I've got to find this remote
to turn this TV off. And so I find it.
It's across the room. It's on you know where they
have like smacks and weird stuff. So I find it.
I turn it off and I go lay down. I
turn off the light. And I was like, and so
this is where it might be a little different than
others because other people might be scared. And I'm like, Okay,

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if you are of the highest good, you can stay.
But if you are not of the highest good, you
must leave now. I will demand that. I will command that.
And I can still feel the presence there, and I'm like, okay,
what do you want to say? Obviously you're making yourself known.
And it's interesting because you have the opportunity if these
things happen, to ask to say, please tell me, and

(45:44):
it will come telepathically. And I believe this is going
to happen for more and more people where we're really
opening ourselves to this telepathic type communication. It's not really
unheard of. People do this. The you know, the autistic
community does this all the time you have heard the
tele pathic files or telepath telepathy files.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Or with their parents too.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, and you have it probably with
your dogs, like I have it on my dog, like
you just like they know what you're when you're coming home,
they know what you're thinking, they know before you even
say anything. Yeah, we already have this ability. Sometimes we
have it with people we really are close to. And
so they start telling me messages.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
What do they say?

Speaker 2 (46:22):
They were like, because I said, I'm kind of don't
really like you doing this at night because they've done
it at night before.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
And I'm like, you say, that's the time that you're
the most utilitated.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
You are, you're the most open. And they said, well,
I do do during the day, but you don't pay attention.
And I was like, when did you? And then I'm like,
when did you do it during the day? And they
were like last night with your Uber driver? Because I
had a moment with my Uber driver because I could
tell he wanted to get me there safely. He wanted
to make sure I knew his license plate, his name.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Where did you to know he was safe?

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Yes? And he kept looking at I, like, looked at
his eyes and I could see that he was a
tender man, but I took that as just a tender
human and it was like I was in the uber driver.
So are we paying attention to these spirit moments with
souls that just bring warmth or love or comfort in
our lives. They could be walking angels that we are
labeling as a human. You know, it's happening all the time,

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or when we're protected and we don't even realize that
we've been protected driving from A to B, or we
missed this certain connection or something that protected us, or
these children that passed on that are there to just
be like I came for you to feel me, and
now I'm in another realm for you to call upon me.
I'm now going to be on another plane with you
to help you guide you in this life because you're

(47:37):
a special soul and I want to be there for you.
And so I'm letting you know through a physical form
in your body. But then I remove myself. But now
you'll never forget I came in and now I'm gone.
And so just tapping into those things, and so that
would be the difference is actually asking them to talk
to you, not getting afraid, not being like labeling it
as bad because.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
You just kind of get a feeling in your mind.
You just know what they're saying.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Oh yeah, you'll get it. Some people will get it
with a visual, some people will get it a knowing,
and some people will feel it when you said chills.
Most people, when there's a truth, it'll go chills, And
if it's a real big truth, it'll go all the
way up on your cheeks. That's spirit trying to communicate.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Okay, I love that.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Yeah, So everybody's a little different in how they receive
the information.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
What was the ultimate message that I'm with you? What
was the message?

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Yeah, the times are going to speed up.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
What does that mean?

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Yeah, things in the world are going to get a
little bit harder.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
Was that to give you confidence to stay strong?

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Yeah, to stay grounded in it, and to not let
get spinned up in it. The things that I'll hear
or witness that may happen here in the United States.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Don't be overcome by fear, HM.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
And to just remember there are spirit beings that are
here to help and support and to stay grounded in
that and to know that. And then also it talked
to me a little bit about my older daughter which
I'll keep private. Yeah, what a cool moment. Yes, that's
what I'm saying. We can all have those moments, and
that's how you communicate. You just ask. All you have
to do is ask them to show themselves to you.

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You can say show me in a sign. You can
be very specific of the sign and not be afraid
of them telling you or showing up.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
That's amazing that. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
So you're one of those people I would just love
to talk to and hear all of your stories in
all of your journey.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
So tell me.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
Where are we right now? Okay, we're almost at an hour,
so I'm going to try to let me try to
wrap all this stuff. Let me say if there's anything
else that.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
I really want to go.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
I love that you said this. I think this is
so awesome as parenting. You said your number one goal
for kids is that they see themselves as a creator
sees them. And I think that is so cool because
it's not like you're necessarily even trying to instill certain values.
It's like it's an energy, right. Yeah, I mean I
obviously you are trying to instill certain values.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
I grew up with a lot of values, a lot
of rules, a lot of you should do this to
be worthy, and I held shong to them, and I
think parents in their best do this a lot, like
you got to get these grades, you got to hold
this value, this standard, you know, all these conditions of
your worth. And they don't mean to do it. They

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just want the best for you, and they want you
to be successful and they want you to not give
your body away and all the things.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Right, So it's for good cause kind of rooted in fear, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Like if you're not successful and you don't go to
this college and get this job, then what's going to
come of you?

Speaker 3 (50:32):
Or if something bad actually happens to you, then your
life could be ruined. But you now know that that's
not true.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
Like whatever I've lived it, I'm like, so bring it.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
Whatever happens to you.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Is only for you.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Yeah, but you have to step into it.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Yeah yeah, I mean you can try to dodge it,
but it's gonna still come.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
For you, will find you, it will hunt you down.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
You might as well just enjoy and ride the wave,
you know, and nature teaches us all the time, so
spending time in nature will really help. But so I
obviously instilled a lot of these I believe not such
great things with my kids in that like you should
do this, and you should do this and do this
when they were younger, right because I didn't know better.
And now my biggest thing I'm trying to teach them

(51:14):
and myself is when we talk about surrender and we
talk about creation, and we talk about manifesting, we talk
about all these things the greatest way to really get
there because a lot of us humans like to get
there and achieve this, like, oh, I want to manifest,
I want to surrender, I want all these things. I
want to connect with creation. It's like just really feeling

(51:38):
this infinite love that is already here for you. And
that is my work, to my core, is to every
day really feel into that infinite love. And that was
all I would really want for my kids is for
them to just know their love no matter what.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
I love that so much. I love that so much.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
I am so not for the be be seen not
heard mentality where it's like the harsh parenting and it's
like you do this because I said so, and like
the all that you know that that whole way, and
I say there, I mean, I know plenty of people
who parent that way and it's just because that's probably
the way they were raised and they don't think there's

(52:16):
a better way. But I'm like, I am so into
just like letting the child be heard and known.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
And like trying to do you have a lucky daughter.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
Last night Sunday and I got into an argument.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
How old is she?

Speaker 1 (52:28):
She's six?

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Oh? Oh she's young.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
Oh she is so so but a firecracker, Oh my gosh.
And she's so incredible communicating. So last night we were
reading and she's trying to learn how to read, and
so I was trying to help her sound out a
word and she was like saying the word.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
She was like pie, and I was like pi I
and she was saying like.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
Pi PI, and I was like, you're saying, you're saying
and then finally I was like, it's like pi, and
I kind of told her the world word and she
was like, Mom, how am I ever going to read
learned to read if you just tell me the answers.
She's like, I'm so upset with you, and then she's
like and then I was trying to explain to her,
and then we just kind of we're both getting upset
with each other.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
She's like, we need to turn the light on right
now and talk this out.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
She said that you, well, she learned that from you.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
I was like, oh my.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
Gosh, okay, I do not want to talk this out
because I'm so tired and I really am frustrated.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
But like I was like, you're right, we need to.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
I was like, but I'm so thankful when those moments happened.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
I'm like, oh, okay, because I of course I'm going
to mess her up like we all will our kids,
but I'm so glad she knows how to express herself.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Oh gosh, she sounds like she's really who she is.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Oh fiercely.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
I love this me too, And I'm like, we got
to work on a little bit of like you know,
I hear these souls coming in now are just like.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
They're like here for a reason. They know what they're coming.
And that's the whole thing is. I'm hoping this way,
And I'm sure you feel this with about your kids.
Since we have this more, since we've been given more
knowledge and we know more knowledge, and we've done all
this work on ourselves. I'm so hopeful that like Sonny
doesn't have to do near the amount of work to
clear her child hood traumas or whatever you know, her

(54:03):
her conditioning. I hope that she like gets there sooner,
you know.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Yeah, but she will have her own stuff, I know,
because usually it just cycles.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
I know.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
You can't avoid it.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
You can't avoid it. And that's the freedom that we
can give ourselves as moms because trust me, I've dealt
with mom guilt a lot. Is like they're gonna have
it regardless because we all are in these cycles of
breaking and whatever we we've done to like clear from
our parents, somehow we've pendulumed it and we're gonna cause
a different trauma in that we don't even move too.

(54:33):
We're like, we just gave you the best, but then
now you give them the best, and now they have
entitlement around money. You're like, oh, you're gonna have to
break that one.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
You're so right.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
Yeah, you're gonna have their own journey in their own
their own like roadblock and barrier or whatever they hit
that's gonna be.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Yes, you're so right. Okay, So, Dinnette, where can everyone
find you? Where can people work with you? Like, just
tell us everything about you?

Speaker 2 (54:55):
You're so sweet. I really love your spirit By the
way like you are a genuine human, truly, I I
really I appreciate that I've done a lot of work.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
I've done a lot of work. Yeah, And you are
a genuine human and you've done a lot of work.
And I love when I meet women like you, because
I have been blessed enough to meet a lot of them,
and like I'm sure you have. And it's like, man,
when you meet another woman who really has done the work,
or even more work, or even farther along, it's like, oh,
it's such a blessing.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Yeah, to get to have a conversation and.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Like, done a lot of things. I'm really intrigued at
where you are going. I feel like you're having a
sacred pause right now, and then you're gonna spin up
in a different way. But right now is a good
sacred pause.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
I actually feel like these past few years have been
for me to rest in reset, like it has taken
every bit of like the past, my daughter being born,
really her whole life has been a resting period and
a reset. I mean, obviously I've still been working and pursuing,
but I have just not had the energy or the
motivation to create something new, to pursue something new to hustle.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
I used to be in such a hustle.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Culture, and yeah, I think this is profound right now.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
And it's taken like five years to finally like feel like, okay,
maybe I'm ready to start moving into the next thing.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Yeah, I mean you'll know, but the rest is important.
You talk about that the season of winter.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
You're in it, you're but I think you're I think
there's some so much beauty in it because you're already
still producing a ton. It's just that you're used to
like you're let's be real, you're fifty percent's probably a
lot of people's one hundred. And I think you've always
known this about you. I can tell this about you.
So when you're fifty percent, you feel like ugh, like

(56:34):
cause you're used to throttling full throttle, so it's a
sacred pause. But you're still doing. I think that in time,
there's something that's brewing for you. But it's going to
come from a different place and it will be and
the world needs it.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
And I just keep feeling in my existence like I
just can't find it. It has to find me.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Well, of course, you know, like I used to it
and I don't know if the timing is like right
here yet, because we're in, We're in. I'm a little
spiral right now.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
It is an interesting time, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
But you're doing these shows, so you're really impacting people.
People are really stre tuning into podcasts more and more.
They're listening to these things, and you don't know what
nugget they're getting from you.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
So now, yeah, Dinnett, You're incredible. You're so amazing. You
have an incredible spirit and soul. So where can everyone
find you so.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Kind have to work with you? Well, probably the best
would be to go to social or my show the
net May Show Socials, the net May. Someone had net May.
I don't know. I have to put the the other
ahead of it, but anyway, the net May. And then
the only way to really work with me right now
is in this group program that I have called Lotus Rising,
and it's a women's group where we do coaching twice

(57:41):
a month. We have one live event every year and
I just share all the ways that I have learned
to reprogram, to heal trauma, to rewire your patterns, and
to ultimately just claim the love for yourself so that
your life reflects that in all the other areas.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
That's amazing.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
I love that you use frequencies and stead and all
of that, and you've like created like.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
I'm gonna be in the more in the music scene
like you were. That's such a weird place where I'm going,
like making music. Oh yeah, I've been doing it and
you like DJ too. Yeah, but it's kind of a
new thing. I've had to step into a new thing.
But yeah, it's just fun.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
Feeling frequency like dance parties. That's what it is.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Yes, that's what it is. I'll invite you and I
I will shake your booty. I will be there so fast. Okay,
sounds good.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
I always wrap up Tonette with leave your Light. And
it's a super open ended question, and what do you
want people to know? Just drop some inspiration? Wow?

Speaker 2 (58:36):
What's what did you say?

Speaker 3 (58:37):
It?

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Lead your lef, leave your light, Lead, leave your light?

Speaker 1 (58:40):
Yeah, wow, I love that.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Hmm. Let me feel into what I would want someone
to know. Probably what we've been talking about is that
you're already loved. You've always been loved. It doesn't matter
what you do or don't do. You're worthy of this love.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
I love that so much Tonette, mae, thank you so
much for joining. Will you stick around for like a
little bit of this episode where we ask questions?

Speaker 2 (59:05):
Oh yeah, help me and you draw three questions fun.
I love this.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
Okay, thank you so much for joining me. By Minette,
you'all make sure tote in on Thursday to her tell
me more.