May 5, 2025 • 55 mins
Jana Stern died for 11 minutes after a suicide attempt in her youth—an experience that awakened her psychic gifts and reconnected her to Source. She returned forever changed, with a mission: to help others remember who they truly are.
Now a powerful medium and astrologer, Jana guides people to break free from the matrix, reconnect with their divine essence, and activate their inner strength. Her work is about healing, awakening, and returning to the truth that we are all divinely connected—and infinitely powerful.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Cary Lone, she's a queen and talking and you so
she's getting really not afraid to being tax so and
so just let it flow.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
No one can do required like cary Lone is sounding
care Lone.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Well, this has been already such an incredible moment with you,
Jana Stern, because we started this whole thing off with
you giving me an oracle reading, which is just like
that's my idea of like a thrill. Like that's like
the biggest thrill I can get is to like encounter
someone like you who has come into terms with all
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of your greatness and your connection and your gifts and
you now know how to chance on them all and
give people messages and help people heal themselves.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
But I love this about you is you are very
adamant about people.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Being their own guru and not just relying on someone
saying they know the answers.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
And I feel like that's a big deal.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
It it is you know, everyone is always seeking in
this reality for somebody to follow.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Right.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
We have a whole culture and we talked about this
around celebrity. What is it to be a celebrity? Who
can I worship? What do I love about them? What
do I hate about them, going to build them up
and tear them down, and like we never look within,
and why is that? Because we are scared of our
own power and we're taught that we're not We're taught lack,
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we're taught in not enoughness, and to stand up against
that fights the system in such a resilient revolutionary way.
And so you know, that's why I have my program
called the Resilience Revolution, because you got to be willing
to be like, wait a minute, I don't subscribe to that.
I actually have all this power and I do have
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the ability to change my life and make things different
for myself. And as soon as you rely on anybody
and listen, I think it's obviously incredible to have coaches
and guides and teachers and you know, healers and things
who can help you on the journey. But ultimately, you
really are your own guru. You have the answers inside
of you, and nobody has experienced your life but you.
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So somebody can offer you beautiful reflections and that helps
you move from A to B. But if you're gonna
get from A to Z or Z depending on what
country you're in, then you know you're gonna have to
take some of those steps on your own. And you
can't lean on any person. We learn this many times
in our lives. You can't lean on any person forever
and ever. You can't. Nobody can be or everything. You
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have to be your everything. So you know, I've gotten
sucked into relying on you know, therapists or healers or
guides or teachers in my lifetime, and then inevitably I
see their humanity and it feels like this rug has
been pulled out from under you. And I'm like, but
you were everything you were, You were something magical, and
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like they were just human along with all the other
celebrities that we worship, right, And so I think that
you know, rerouting that and reclaiming your own sovereign magic,
that this capacity that we all have to rewrite the
script of what's possible in this lifetime. There's power in that.
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And I don't I think I do a disservice as
somebody who does communicate with the other side and act
like a bridge for messages to be delivered. The last
thing I want is for people to look at me
as if I have the answers I can tell you
stuff I can see what's going on in your blind spot,
and you know you and I just kind of experienced
some of that a moment ago. But really it's like, Okay, well,
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now what are you going to do about it? Caroline?
You know what I mean? Like it doesn't matter, like
who cares what I know? What are you doing about it?
You know?
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Yeah? I totally I totally know that.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
And I feel like, for the longest time, I was
always seeking answers and for like a guy like you
were saying, I was wanting someone to tell me what
to do.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
I was wanting someone to lay it all.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Out for me.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
I was like, people know way more than me.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Someone out there has all the answers. Someone has figured
it out. Someone is oh so holy, someone is like
the one. And now I've gotten a chance to like
be in a lot of very wise connected souls, and I,
like you said, I see their humanness. I've learned their
humanness as well. And it's like everyone is gifted, and
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so many people have developed their gifts and work with
their gifts. But it's like, ultimately, at the end of
the day, nobody knows. Nobody knows all the answers, nobody.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Knows muscle like you have muscles, use them, you know. Yeah,
And what you think you know?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
You know?
Speaker 5 (04:57):
I say this a lot, I know a lot. I'm
I'm a wise soul. I know this of myself. And
there is a shit ton that I do not know
at all. And there are a lot of things that
don't even know that I don't know in this world.
And I just it's so important to just know what
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you do know and to really ground into You came
here for a reason, and the reason you came here
is to know yourself. And that's it.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Why do Okay, So we all start off in infinite energy,
love whatever. We're all connected in this, but we're all
individuals in this other realm too, right, But we're all
one because.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Everyone has their own unique soul.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
But then we're all a part of the one because
we're all just one, which is one big energy, which
is God, the Universe, the almighty power, everything.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Right.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
But then we like break off into little soul specs
of that one.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
So then the.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Big, the big one, all energy can experience itself in
all these little specs of itself.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
So like whenever you pass away or whatever, and you
go to the next realm and you're like connecting with
your soul family or whatever, and you see your life
and then you decide where what I don't know exactly
what happens in that next round, but I know you
like lose your physical body and you go up into
this all energy. Yeah, but you're still an individual soul, right?
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Or have you connected fully back with the one consciousness?
Do you know that you're part of the one consciousness?
Speaker 4 (06:34):
How do you? My whole question is like, how do
we are individuals? But we're not? Like how wrecked that?
How does that? Where's that blurred line?
Speaker 5 (06:43):
We get really lost in me in the eye of life.
I had this experience, I had this trauma. I'm feeling
this feeling. I want this thing, I have this desire
and we get really it's the go right, we get
really stuck in the eye when let it go.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
This is the son of my daughter. She wants to come.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
Say hi.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
She broke she broke the door open. Oh Sonny, Okay,
get out of here. I love you, Okay, thank you.
Can you take all the dogs too? Please? Please take
the dogs. All the dogs are in here too. Hey sugar,
go ahead, go go on, Ruby o, go Ruby. Here's Ruby.
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This is ruby, Ruby, Okay, by ruby, thank you, Okay, sorry.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
Yeah, we're lot, We're stuck. We're stuck in the eye.
And when we are in spirit, it's like, you know,
the the best analogy that we have, that I have
in this moment is like in when you're in a vessel,
It's like you are aware that you you are the
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drop of water in the ocean, and when you are
not in the vessel, you are the ocean. But there
is still the remnants of the drop. There is still
the okay, the atom of it, you know what I mean.
You become the drop, you become the ocean.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Like the drop is its own thing when it's out
of the ocean, but it's a part of the ocean,
but yet it's its own drop.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
This is kind of a mind fuck.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
It's totally a mind fuck. We spent entire generations trying
to figure it out as a species, you know, And
I don't have all the answers. I have some answers,
but I don't have all the answers. I do know though,
that when we are in a physical body, we're actually
not meant to have all the answers. We are meant
to go through what I often call Earth School to
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learn about ourselves and how the whole expresses itself. And
right now, like we're in this time where things are
so divisive and so nasty.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
You know, we kind of you thought this coming though,
I was. I've stuck to you pretty hard on your Instagram.
You felt this time was a reckoning, this was the time?
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Okay? Why because it is?
Speaker 3 (09:09):
It's like that, It's like crazy and I think you'ven
physical it's like War of the World.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
I think you posted something like that. It feels like
everybody's crazy. Nothing makes sense.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Everything that we put all of our belief into is
now been turned upside down.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
We don't believe the systems, which is good.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Just be good. How is the cause it's gonna last? Okay, Well,
it'll be intense for sure until twenty twenty seven, and
then things will take a turn for the better, God willing.
But yeah, you know we I did see it coming,
and I saw it coming, and I remember in twenty
twenty being like, oh, it's like that, huh, like this
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is what we're doing. Whoo okay, And I remember on
day ninety because it takes ninety days to form a
habit of six feet of distance, which is the space
that your heart chakra resonates, which means that no people
who were less than six feet you were not feeling
their humanity at all. You were not feeling their heart
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resonance because they were six feet away from you.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
So is that part of it to get as disconnected
percent people?
Speaker 5 (10:16):
One hundred percent without a doubt.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
So we're so far apart from people, so everyone was
isolated and then couldn't connect with anyone else.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
That's right, that's right. Interesting, And at ninety days I
remember having a full mental breakdown about it and being like, oh,
now we're in the habit. Now, this is what we do. Now,
this is who we are as a species, and we're
going to have to unlearn this and it's going to
be a lot of work. And even then, at that point,
I already had the knowing that we are destined for this,
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this collective awakening, and I did not know that it
was going to go to all the places and how
like be as insidious as it was. But I don't
know why I didn't expect it to be, because I've
dug into some of the most disgusting parts of humanity
just to shed light on it. Because I believe that
you have to look and I yeah, I think there's
still more to to go. And we we kind of
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talked about it earlier, right, some of those things that
we're seeing.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Oh, we just do it for a giant reset, Like
the systems finally failed. Like whatever we had built was
built wasn't built on truth. It was built on like
like blinding.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
People to their Yeah exactly, and like this, I mean,
like what did every single one of your cards just
say a moment ago? Truth is love?
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Right?
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Do you see love? And like capitalism and exploitation and
war and death and all these like nope, big pharma
exactly right, Like it's just it's just terrible. Now, that
doesn't mean that there isn't great things about medicine. Absolutely,
is it medicine or is it medication? You're gonna leave
it alone, right, But then like really, where is the
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blend of those things? And this is why again we're
seeing this like big uptick and holistic medicine and Western
medicine sort of Eastern medicine rather, and you know, spiritual
practices and you know, belief in God is going through
the roof because we're living in biblical times and hey,
there must be something bigger than us, and how we
all choose to access it kind of doesn't matter so
long as your beliefs don't want to murder other people.
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But yeah, I think that you know, we're we're really
in this interesting time right now in humanity and questions
that like the one that you're asking about what the
hell goes on on the other side. We have so
much more bandwidth for that now than we ever have
in human history. Right when we were busy tilling the fields,
we weren't stopping and being like, what happens when you die?
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Maybe we'd pot into the question for a little while,
but we didn't have time to just sit in the
algorithm and scroll about it for five hours, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Mm hm, And you have Yeah, I know it feels
very political, but also at the same time, I've noticed
you posted a lot about it's just like two wings
of the same bird, like we're all it's all the
same thing, and so it's just it's just all it's
like neither one is the answer, you know.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Correct, that's right? New bird? Please?
Speaker 3 (13:06):
I know, can we get a new bird? But we
have to break the system down, I guess until we
get a new bird.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
I think, well, I think what we need to do
is like sort of shoot it out of the sky,
so to speak, or rather like put it in a
cage and and make sure that in its cage it
doesn't get suicided. And by that I mean that it
suffers a consequence that you know, we that we call
the bird what it is, and that we name this
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my nose is itchy, which means that this is incredibly true.
Uh you know there there there has been this dark
insidiousness to this reality, and governments have been involved clearly, right,
we know with the CIA just really like has released
things that like aliens are real, and so is remote viewing,
which means that they can literally have they have people
who can view with their third eye what you're doing, right,
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Like they can literally astral project themselves out of their
body and observe different rooms around the world, and that
is real and like casually they mentioned it and they're like,
don't worry about it though, guys, fine, did you see
this policy that we've put out that makes you angry
at your neighbor? Like it's just we're so backwards and
we believe so much of this reality. We believe that,
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like the atoms are real around us that are formulating,
and we believe that the you know, we've forgotten, that
it's all here for us, and that we can create
it differently, and that we have the power to do that.
And as soon as your power is taken away from you,
then they can instill more fear so that you will
obey and do as they say. And unfortunately, for most people,
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there is no alternative to that, like there is no
other way, and many of us are waking up. There's
like this inkling, this feeling of like monotony and dult
duldrum like energy of like like I just I feel
like there's got to be more than this. And people
are saying it left and right and left and right
and left and right, like this can't be where we end.
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Like this is not the end of the world, even
though it does feel like the end of the world.
It is the end of a world. And in many
spiritual communities, you know, we talk about like new Earth consciousness, right,
and like God bless those people because they are holding
the frequency for something that is possible. You know, Do
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I think that it's going to be all love and light?
Maybe not?
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Right?
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Away, and maybe not in our lifetime fully, but certainly
perhaps in your children, you know, in our children's I
don't have any, but you know in the kids they
might experience it, certainly their children will, you know, in
the real what I say, the real Age of Aquarius.
We're not where Pluto is in Aquarius, but in the
real age of Aquarius in two hundred and fifty years,
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when humanity has really let it sink in, then we'll
have a different experience. But over the next twenty years,
the reckoning is coming for us to were right.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
So it's going to be a wild ride.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
Yeah, I get your popcorn.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Do you feel like we will get to a place
where people where the systems have collapsed and people have
regained their like intuition and their connection to divine and
we are actually living in a harmonious state.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
I do think that that's great. Yeah, I do think
that I had, Like I said to you earlier, I
have to cling to that. Otherwise I'm gonna go to
the other places because it ain't it here.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
You know.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
When I so in my twenties, I had a suicide
attempt and tried to kill myself. I was gone for
eleven minutes and in that time, Spirit gave me the
choice to come back.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Really, I want okay, sorry, I want to hear what
you're about to say, but like I want to impact
this first part. How did Spirit give you the choice?
Speaker 4 (16:56):
What did that feel like?
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Like?
Speaker 4 (16:58):
How did you know you were getting a choice from?
Speaker 5 (17:00):
For me, I like left my body and my great
grandmother and my ancestors, my great grandfather, like those who
I know and those who I don't know. I'm very
fortunate to be able to track my lineage and have
photos of my great grandparents. My great great grandparents and
my great great great grandparents are all intact, which as
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a Jewish woman's kind of a miracle. And I was
greeted by them, and my great grandmother sort of came
to me, I'm named for her, I hold her name.
My Hebrew name is her name. And she said to me,
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it's too soon, but you have a choice, and I
was like, okay, and she showed me kind of like,
you know, the pain that my mother was feeling in
the moment. My mom was sitting there in the hospital
with me, and she showed me that pain. And I
really had this understanding that like forever after if I
os to go. Then the story that my brothers would tell,
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that my parents would tell, that my grandparents, who were
still alive at the time, would tell, was our daughter
sister granddaughter killed herself and that that had a weight.
And I was like, hmm, I don't. I don't like
how that feels. So I chose I came back. I
was like, Okay, I'm gonna, I'm I'm I'm back, I go.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Is it hard to get back into your body?
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Nope, it was a no. It was a It was
a simple choice.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
My house is so itchy.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
It was a simple choice.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Were you happy to be No?
Speaker 5 (18:38):
No, not right away. You're not happy to be in
the body. But you know, I did a lot of work.
I went through a lot of therapies, a lot of healing,
you know. I uh, I had a life activation which
changed my life. I had what is that number? It's
an energy and metaphysical healing through the modern mystery school
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that I later mastered and learned myself because it was
such an impactful healing on me. And you know, I
had lots of different readings and other sessions, healings, you know,
psychic surgeries and things like that. All these wou weird
things and you know practical. I was in treatment for
many years and seeing five different therapists and doing creative
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therapies and art therapies and this and that and the other,
and I was I mean, you name it. I was medicated.
I was all these things. I had so many diagnoses,
eating disorder, borline personality. At one point they were like, no,
she's bipolar like her father. No I'm not yees she like.
It was just so many things, and like almost the
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moment that I decided, actually, none of that is my truth,
but thank you so much. The truth is that I'm
magical and this reality is fucked, and y'all have a problem,
and there is this bigger thing that is available to us,
and we are from this source, and we are here
or for like such a short amount of time, for
such an important reason right now. And I knew this
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twenty years ago when I had my attempt. More than that,
when I had my attempt, I knew this like deeply
in my soul, and I didn't like know what to
do about it. And now that we're here, I was like, oh,
this time, right now, this is why I chose Because
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when I came back and started to like hear spirit
and have the gift of mediumship way more intensely than
ever before. When I was a kid, I could hear
crystals and like they would sing songs and tell stories.
And then as I got older, I was like, Okay,
I guess I'm just like kind of crazy. And as
I leaned into it, I was like, no, this, this
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wu stuff is real, Like this spiritual stuff is real.
And the more that I was just like, gung ho,
this is it. I don't care what you say, call
me crazy, it doesn't matter, the more the trend of
it started trending, and like now you can't open your
phone without somebody talking about it. And I'm like, do
you know how many times I heard people tell me
that I was nuts because of this shit? And like
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I just laugh now because it's you know, because I
do think that we're we still have a long way
to go to where we're gonna get and where people
are now and their awakenings and waking up to all
this magic, thank God, thank thank God, And there's a
long journey ahead for all of us, but I do
think that we'll get there.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
What drove you to want to end it?
Speaker 5 (21:34):
The pressure the pressure of knowing that A I have
a big mission, I have a big mouth, which means
I have a big mission, and be the pressure of
knowing being able to like future cast and understand this world.
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You know, I I sort of brushed over it quickly.
But my father was schizophrenic and he has been since
I was a small, small child. His first hospitalization I
was three, and it's just been an ongoing reality of that.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Was that scary for you as a kid.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
It was heartbreaking for me as a kid. There were
moments that it was scary because he would say and
do things that were out of his that were real
to him but not real to the rest of us.
But it just always broke my heart. It always felt
like he wasn't getting he didn't get what he needed
from his parents, and he wasn't understood, and he wasn't
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making the right choices for himself. He'd go on his
meds and off his meds, and on his meds and
off his meds, and it was just always something but
that relationship to mental health and understanding how unbelievably gifted
this man is. He is somebody who can look up
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at the stars and tell you every single constellation. He
has a mind like nobody I know. He is so
bright and so brilliant, and ideas just flow through him
in this magical way. And you know, seventy years ago,
One didn't tend to the needs of a special need
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the way that we do now, thank God that we
do now. But it was not available. And I knew this.
I always had that knowing. And I understood about his magic.
I understood about his gifts. You know still when I
speak to him now, I mean thankfully. So he walked
to Florida from Toronto in twenty twenty one during the
pandemic when the borders were closed. We don't know how
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the hell he got there.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
And why did you do that?
Speaker 5 (23:49):
I don't know why he did that? Do you do higher?
Speaker 3 (23:53):
I think do you feel like because you talk a
lot about how traumas are truly like a blessing once
you crack open. Yes, gizophrenia feels difficult because it's you know,
it's like all these different personalities and thought processes seem
to be happening at once.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
How do you relate that to his spiritual gifts and
view it as a gust?
Speaker 5 (24:17):
Yeah? I mean, you know, if you're hearing voices who's talking?
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Right, Yeah, why are they talking to him? But some
of the voices want you to harm yourself though, right.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
Yeah, he's never been that guy a day in his life.
Currently being he's institutionalized in a hospital, like in a
state hospital, and while he is there, like he's just
they're like, he's the nicest guy, he doesn't cause any problems,
he's the best patient. We love him so much, And
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every single hospital is like this for years, like he
is the least violent person you'll ever meet in your life.
So thankfully that's not part of my experience of him.
But yeah, you know, I always had this understanding that
because I could hear voices too, crystals would literally speak
to me. My grandfather had this huge collection his father
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and his grandfather, like my grandmother's father also collected and
so I could always hear them always. When my parents
were still married, we would go to their home in
Pennsylvania and I could hear them sing to me and
tell me stories. And as I got older, it became
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very clear that like hearing voices, no bueno, right, And
so like for him, I think the way that his
magic is the way that his gift comes through is
ingenius like and you know, they say it's a thin
line between genius and insanity. He just I think he
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just crossed the line and forgot how to come back.
I often say he kind of left his body. He
went up someplace. Now it's hard for him to come
back down.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
And you know, I think we all have the capacity
to go there, but we choose not to because it's
simply easier not to. And now in this world, like
in you know, an internet world, it's even easier not
to write. Just stay on the TV, stay in the algorithm.
You know, sugar exactly. Just you know, do whatever you're
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told to do. Have the unhealthy foods that keeper vibration low.
You know, where the fabrics that are not good for
you eat, the foods that you know, all of the things,
every everything.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
It's so hard because finding the things that are good
for you is like the you have to go seek
it out because it.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Is so hard to find.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
And we're so we're so programmed just to be in
the system and to be weighed down by food and
products that it's to find what's good vibrationally is you
have to go hunting for it.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Yes, And What's very interesting about that is we are
seeing though this this trend is organic food in you know,
what is sustainable, what is good for the planet, what
is good for our bodies, you know what holistic medicine supplements,
things like that, Like, there is a trend in that,
and the trend is trending for a reason because we
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want that. We are reclaiming it. Unfortunately, there are powers
that be, entities and energies that maybe don't want that.
They don't want us to be that powerful to remember.
But I believe that, like the reckoning will come. I
just believe that there will come a time where collectively
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people will recognize that your neighbor is not your threat.
And you know, so long as we are voting for
the left wing of the right wing and being like
that's the bird I'm betting on, Like, well, we're going
to stay in this. And you know, it was funny
Canada just had an election and because you're in Canada, yep,
(27:58):
And unfortunately.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
And escsionally, why do you say that, oh, all.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
Of North America's shitthole. Frankly, I'm just like so over
it all. I want to be in places where they
remember that we're on the land, and that land is sacred,
and that we must tend it and care for it,
and that we're not just here to like pay bills
and die.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Where do you feel like that is?
Speaker 5 (28:20):
Oh so many places. I've experienced it in Costa Rica.
I've experienced it in Mexico. I've experienced it in Bali.
You know, I think that there are parts of Europe
that still very much Remember I mean a couple of
days ago, Spain and Portugal had no Internet and they
just sat around and like played games like nobody was
looting and you know, pulling their guns out like there
(28:41):
would be up in this you know continent. It's just
nonsense here. People are so programmed and it's so backwards.
Canada's just trying to be America's like, but like we're
not anything, Like we're just so dumb anyway, whatever you say, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
and I said big, but I did me little. But
we're just physically we're like we're larger than you guys,
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even though we're way less populated.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
A friend of mine votes differently than I do, and
uh or did that I did? And she was like, well,
what do we do? You know, how do how do
we find. We were talking about how to make peace
and how to bridge the gap because she and her
husband also vote differently.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
That's tricky, especially right now. Yeah, yeah, end marriages.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
Sure can, sure can. And I said, you know, we
have to stop seeing each other as the enemy. And
actually the power is in not voting at all now
of course, like you know, people are like, but if
you didn't vote, say this, you can't do that, and
I'm like, actually, there's like real power in that in that.
(29:51):
I mean, I voted because I voted, because I guess
I didn't walk my talk in that moment. But yeah,
like I really I think that if we collectively all stood,
I mean there's that image of you know, people all
bent over with with stuff on their backs, carrying it collectively,
and then when everybody starts to stand up, the stuff
on your back falls off, right, And yeah, that's why
(30:13):
it's why I open my mouth every day, because it's
my way of standing up in one way or another,
even though I'm maybe too cowardly not to vote.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Do you feel nervous speaking your truth because you do
speak how you feel?
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Never?
Speaker 5 (30:27):
Never, never I feel nervous lying I feel. And that's
always been there, for me. I used to lie as
a kid a little bit.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Yeah, would.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
I lied about what I think? I was really uncomfortable
with what my truth was. You know, it's not easy
to be child of divorce whose father is literally psychotic.
You know. My mom had remarried. We were a brady bunch,
blended family, and there's a lot of like stuff that
comes with that, especially in a small community, and I
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just wanted to be something different.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Did you like your childhood?
Speaker 5 (31:07):
Yes and no. My mom and my dad, my stepdad,
did like their best to provide everything that they could
to us. But I was always a broken hearted like
little girl because my father, like my daddy, wasn't around,
you know, and I had to make hard choices. At thirteen,
I was like, I can't have him in my life.
And I really didn't until I was thirty, and that
(31:29):
was a lot of years.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Yeah. Oh yeah, that's just an ache, probably, he felt.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Yeah. Yeah, but it obviously shaped you and brought your
gifts into being. I know, isn't that like the double
edged sword and.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
You speak a mind to magic?
Speaker 4 (31:43):
You know, that's the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Like the trauma is like so necessary, but it's like, oh,
is that what this Earth School's about. It's just like
having the trauma and just like feeling it and internalizing
it and like alchemizing it into your actual gift.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
But like why does it have to be so painful?
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Because like that is so devastatingly painful with a young child,
what you went through.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
Yeah, it was, but I think that you know, I
don't relate to it that way anymore.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
I used you healed it, You healed it.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Yeah, you think that's part of what maybe me sent
you into wanting to end it as well, just like
that and that pain that you.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
Had absolutely oh yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Yeah, like your own gifts that you didn't know what
to do with, plus your situation.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
You just were had so much pain. Yeah. I was
so heavy.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
I was in agony every day and it was clearer,
and I didn't know what to do, and I felt
so out of control, which is why I was controlling
food and and you know things like that, because I
didn't know where to go with myself or how to
navigate any of this. You're not we're not taught, right,
and so yeah I do, I do. I think that's
exactly what it is. And I think the reason that
(32:53):
it's so painful and agonizing and you know, like desperate
and its suffering in this reality is because in order
for it to not feel like suffering, you have to
feel it.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
Oh okay, well that's kind of big.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
In order for the suffering to not feel like suffering,
you actually have to feel the suffering that you're resisting.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
That's right, or else it's.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Just going to keep knocking on your door and like
banging it down.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Until finally, like you embrace it.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
Yes, And it will show up over and over and
over and over and over and over and over and
over and over. It'll show up in every single relationship
and every single partnership and every single friendship. It will
show up in your relationship with your parents, It will
show up in your relationship with your siblings, It will
show up mostly in your relationship with yourself. Like, it
will just show up over and over and over again,
and there will be many things that you will experience
(33:45):
that will have you observe how are you relating to
that trauma? How are you relating to that core wound?
And like, everybody has a different one. Not everybody had
a schizophrenic father that they had to put outside of
their life for you know, however many years I did.
It was like everybody has a something that they've experienced.
But then what happens is we get really stuck. And
(34:06):
this is where addictions and numbing behaviors and things come
about because we don't want to feel it. But if
you can look at whatever that thing is that happened
that you tell is as the story of why you
are the way you are, well it keeps you the
way that you are if you keep saying this is
my why instead of this is what happened, but it's
(34:29):
not me.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
That's such a good distinction because, like you said, if
you were just to define yourself by your childhood traumas,
which I feel like so many of us do.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
You're born or unconsciously yep, you're.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Born into this world and you immediately define yourself by
your parents, by your financial status, by your.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
Religion. I fit into these buckets. This is who I am,
and I'm going to have this kind of suffering or
that kind of suffering and all more valid than anybody else.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
And what the elders in your life tell you about yourself,
you know, like you believe that ought to be true,
and so I feel like so many, especially like the
older generations passes, they never even cracked into it and
realized that that wasn't their truth because they weren't. I
don't feel like our parents' generations maybe, but like grandparents,
like they didn't even realize that mental health was like
a thing, you know, that, like it was something that
(35:22):
we needed to work on, and that we aren't like
exactly what you're saying, what has what has happened to it?
Speaker 4 (35:27):
It's just what has happened to us. It's not who
we are.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
Yes, yes, And I mean listen, their generation, like our grandparents' generation,
is almost gone. I still have a grandmother who is living,
and I'm grateful for her, but they're almost gone. And
when they are, the boomers will have to do a
little bit of work. It's clear that they have some
(35:50):
work to do. But yeah, I mean we that work
is ongoing for us as a species, and like I said,
it will be ongoing if we don't blow ourselves up
for the next two hundred and fifty years at least,
and maybe for the rest of humanity for the rest
of time, in like, for the rest of however long
(36:13):
we are here as a species, and that's a lot
to think about, right, It's a lot to hold. Also,
it's why we're here now because I can say something
(36:36):
like that and it lands you're like, right, And so
that was never true before because we didn't our general
like our parents' generation and the generation before them didn't
have the consciousness for that. They literally did not have
the frequency available to them from the analog life that
(36:59):
they were living. And you know when for me and you,
half of my life was analog and half of my
life was digital. For the kids now, their entire lives
are are digital, but the percentages of that in boomers
is way smaller.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
Right.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
Their understanding of of what's to come. I mean they're
they're they're going to die, right, And I don't mean
that it's terrible in a in a negative way. I
mean like they're going to go back to source and
that's that, Like we're all going to die eventually, and
so yeah, there's a lot riding on the future.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
A kind of an exciting time, right. I mean it's throwing,
you know, because we're in a spiritual work here.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
But it's what since you did have a near death experience,
what happens when you die? Like, what is it everyone's
so afraid of dying. But like, what why and what
happens over there? And do you come back again? Because
like so many faiths don't believe in reincarnations, so many
faiths do here we do.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
We have to keep coming back to Earth until we
master this earth experience.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
My understanding it of is this, first of all, the
answer to your question what happens? The answer is everything.
Everything happens every single experience. You are the bee, you
are the ant, you are the bird, you are the jaguar,
you are the tiger, you are the leaf, you are
the sand, you are the water, you are everything. Literally,
(38:27):
my understanding of reincarnation is kind of an interesting one.
So in spirit, when you are not in a physical body,
say this a lot from a particle physics perspective. When
you are not in a particle, you are in a wave.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Right, So when you're not in a physical body, you're
in a wave of energy that's right frequency, just.
Speaker 5 (38:52):
All the all being m and in that frequency you
can plug into any reality, any particle, right. And so
as spirit you are guiding those in physical in one
direction or another. Time. However is fake, it's completely make believe.
(39:16):
We know this, So and it happens in like this
compressed way in the now, but really time stretches to everything,
which is why most people when they have near death experiences,
their life flatches before their eyes because it all happens
in an instant, right. And so when a spirit plugs
into a vessel to guide in any direction for any reason, no,
(39:40):
don't marry that person. Turn left, not right, and everything
in between, the knowingness of that person's life is their
whole life, and so you can then when that spirit
incarnates into their own body, it feels like a quote pas,
(40:01):
it feels like an entire lifetime that they have experienced,
which is why so many of these schmucks come through
with like oh I was Jesus in a past life,
I was Mary Magdalen, I was Joan of Arc Like no,
we like okay, yes, because we were all everything.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
But really they just tapped into it when they were
in the wave m hm. So they weren't really having
a life on this earth. They were just tapping into
life's on this earth because they were the all spirit.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
That makes a lot of sense, hm.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
So you can kind of like voyage or whatever not
into other yep, yeah, into other physical reality, but anywhere,
not just Earth, anywhere in the whole universe.
Speaker 5 (40:44):
Time space, continuum. That's right, exactly more than the universe.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
It's probably more than the universe.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
It's probably infinite, whatever is infinite, of all infinite, whatever
is out there.
Speaker 5 (40:53):
Right, this is this is you know, many realities existing
all in ones, right, and many parallel universes and things
of that nature.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
So you can just hop around and check it all
out and see what's going on and help guide people,
and then you can just decide where you want to incarnate.
Speaker 5 (41:11):
Yes, And so that's why when when a little being
chooses to incarnate with you, you're like, holy shit, I'm.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
Blessed, because like that's a big decision. Yeah, And it's
hard to incarnate, right.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
I mean a lot of intervie. Yeah, it's fucking hard
to be a human man, And it's hard to be
a fucking human. It's the hardest thing we do. Why
does anyone want.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
Is it's one of the harder realms.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
I keep hearing that, like one of the harder schools
per se, why do we.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
Want to come here? It's dense? Okay, because it's so
what does that mean?
Speaker 5 (41:44):
So the vibration so if you start tracking the Shuman resonance,
which is the resonance of Earth and the third dimension
that we exist on, that resonance only goes between seven
to fifteen hurts, and there are thousands of hurts, Like
the frequency of hurts is very high, and so that
is low in the numbers, right, seven to fifteen. That
(42:06):
ain't it? But it is it. It's all that it is,
it's all that we are, it's all that it's the
available to us. Really, although the Shuman residence has been
off the chain lately and we've been getting these crazy
waves and stuff like that, but it's been yeah, like this,
this is what it is. So it's dense, it's literally heavy,
it's weighted. It's low on the frequency scale. And when
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we start to really understand about frequency collectively, we're not
going to tolerate this kind of fuckera anymore. We're like,
excuse me, Earth School, Who is in charge? Who is
making decisions? Who is in those rooms that makes decisions
about things that I know I don't agree with and
neither does the person beside me. And I don't want
this and I don't consent, and how do we change that?
(42:52):
And we don't yet have the power collectively in our minds.
We don't believe yet that we have the power. And
I am like literally here for the revolution of it.
I'm literally here to be like, actually you do, but
I don't whisper.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
So is it is it human beings that have the power?
Are there actual humans and they figured out how to
control all this? How did they figure that out?
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (43:15):
Oh oh oh, I see what you're asking. Okay, So
you know, while we're on conspiracy theories, there is this
there was this is this rumor of a cabal okay.
And I've often said as people were like, oh, you're
a conspiracy theorist. I'm like, if the idea exists in
(43:38):
the collective that something like that exists, then there is
an entity and an energy that is that period full stop.
Do I think that it is only human? No? I
think that those entities, those energies, those that cabal energy
(44:00):
of whatever it is, also knows about this CIA stuff,
also knows about other things like that. And I believe
that there are energies that and literal entities that are
suppressing our consciousness and keeping us in a lower vibration.
Can web that, Yeah, you work on your own. You
(44:21):
mind your own business, literally.
Speaker 4 (44:24):
And if everyone minds her own business, we can break
the suppression.
Speaker 5 (44:27):
If if the entire world, if every single human being
on planet Earth decided collectively to have a fifteen minute
meditation everybody, no, no exceptions, no opening your eyes, no
scrolling on your phone, no watching the TV, no opt out,
(44:47):
we would be in a different reality at the end
of the fifteen minutes period.
Speaker 4 (44:52):
It would just take one time.
Speaker 5 (44:54):
Yeah, but like, how can But you can't even get
people to agree on who to vote for. You can't
even get it. People do agree on whether or not
climate change is real. You can't get right, like all
these divisive You can't even get people to agree on
whether or not this person has value as a human
or that person has value as a human. How on
earth if in that low fuckery vibration, could you possibly
(45:18):
get to the high vibration of love and peace that
is available in a collective meditation like that? And I
remember in the pandemic doing a lot of collective meditations
virtual you know, containers where thousands of people around the
world were gathering and having these kinds of mind.
Speaker 4 (45:34):
That's probably pretty powerful.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
Back when that was happening, it was it was, it
was it was maybe that's what's.
Speaker 4 (45:41):
Led to the spiritual awakening that's happened.
Speaker 5 (45:43):
Part of it, I hope God willing. Yeah, yeah, So
what is.
Speaker 4 (45:48):
Your goal with your life?
Speaker 3 (45:50):
Like, what is your after having this chance to come
back after everything you've been through? What is your divine
purpose here?
Speaker 5 (46:01):
As I see it? Is to be able to channel
and speak as much as possible in as many places
as I possibly can, and to live a fulfilling life
that takes me where I wish to be and where
I where I'm needed to give the messages that come through.
So clearly, I'm not afraid to speak my truth. I'm
(46:21):
not afraid to live it. I'm not afraid and I
and I live in integrity with a lot of it,
which not all people who are you know, the gurus
are and so yeah, I think you know, for me,
it's it's really just about more opportunities to keep spreading
the light to as many people as possible and to
(46:42):
you know, guide people in the containers that I hold,
you know, in the ways that I that I can.
You know, I love working with with my clients. I
love to to be, you know, in the vibration of
what we were in earlier. That's my, that's my.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
That was amazing doing reading, like channeling. How so if
people want to work with you, what what are the options?
Speaker 5 (47:05):
Mm hmm. Right now it is Resilience Revolution. So it's
a ninety day like group coaching and one on one.
You get six one on ones with me. They are
as powerful as you can imagine them to be. We
start with your birth chart. We dig into who you
were designed to be in this lifetime and how you
(47:27):
can follow your own map home to yourself. And then uh,
there's in the group classes, we're like diving into divination
and how to like work your intuition and how to
channel and how to you know, speak the language of
crystals and understand about astrology and what the hell is
EFT and why do we need it and does it help?
(47:48):
And all these different things. There are so many different
things in my journey that I've learned because I put
my spoon into a lot of different pots. Now I'm
just like getting to offer some of that flavoring to
others and guide and teach and do that and then
you know, be able to open my mouth and use
my words for good God willing.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
So that's amazing though, that you have the experience that
you had of like crossing over, choosing to come back,
realizing your gifts, going on your own journey to activate them,
trying so many things, and now you've concocted like almost
like a little potion formula that is what you know
to be true that works because you have gone from
(48:32):
the depths of not wanting to be here to now
being so fully activated that you're like, Okay, I actually
have tried all of this, and here is the journey
that you need to hop into to activate yourself. Like
that's very powerful to have someone have walked this journey
like you have. And I guess you almost have to
to be at your level. You almost have to go
(48:54):
so far so you can go. So it's like for
every action there's a to like hit the other extremity.
Speaker 4 (49:00):
Of being connected.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
You almost have to be that disconnected baby or that
lost right.
Speaker 5 (49:04):
Yeah, definitely. And you know the cool thing about it,
you know, as per your your first comment that sort
of kicked this podcast off, I'm actually not the guru, right,
and so what's really great is that I can open
a lot of these doors and introduce some of these
modalities and tools and opportunities, and if you want to
(49:26):
go deeper, that's what we'll do. So in that group,
if the feeling and the vibe of everybody is like, Okay,
we just want to know everything there is to know
about astrology, well I don't know everything there is to know,
but I do know quite a bit, and so okay,
let's go there and we'll just dig all the way
and then when something else needs to come up and
somebody else has something else that they want to dive into,
we can. And then afterwards, at the end of that
(49:49):
ninety days, you get to go on and figure out
what of those little nuggets feels good for you. What
is it that you want to keep diving into. What
was that one thing that I shared that you were like,
oh my god, there's for sure a rabbit hole that
I got to go down now. And then you go
and so you know, and I love that. I love
(50:11):
to be like, there's another world available, there's another reality
beyond the one that you believe to be the limitation.
That limitation is your mind. It's not real, and like,
here are thirty thousand things that you can do that
might challenge it.
Speaker 4 (50:29):
You know, you're just a guide something a guide.
Speaker 3 (50:33):
Yeah, you're all sorts of things. What would you if
you're going to list all of your gifts?
Speaker 4 (50:37):
What are they?
Speaker 5 (50:39):
I'm a psychic, I am a I'm clear audience, so
I have an interhering. I'm also clear cognizant. I have
an inner knowing. I am an astrologer, which in itself
is kind of a gift. It's a big universe out
there and there's a lot to know, and I love
that I get to read the stars. I'm yeah, I'm
(51:01):
certified as an e f T specialist, So that's cool.
Ef T is the art of tapping and moving the
energy and your meridians.
Speaker 4 (51:11):
Jana, this is I'm serious.
Speaker 5 (51:14):
I'm certified as a life activation practitioner. I'm you know,
I've studied quantum Human Design, which is a cool twist
on human design by the brilliant Karen Curry Parker, who
is studied with raw Uru who. And if I'm saying
crazy things that you don't understand, if you're listening to this,
go look it all up. But yeah, you know, I'm
(51:35):
a lot of I'm a lot of things. I'm also
an ant, which I love and yeah, mostly I'm just Jana.
Speaker 4 (51:41):
You know, are you enjoying your journey?
Speaker 5 (51:43):
Oh yeah, I'm super happy to be alive, and that
in itself is enough for me to be like, yeah,
I'm the expert because I used to want to kill myself.
I literally tried to take my own life, and now
I'm just happy to be here. So, you know, that's
so for.
Speaker 4 (51:56):
Others, amazing. What a gift, What a gift of.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
Your life though, like truly, like, and what a gift
to the divine spark that is you that you have
gone on the journey to feel this way. You know,
you didn't call it because so many of us want to,
but you didn't. And now look what's on the other side.
You know, I feel like that is a message for
so many people that there is another side waiting.
Speaker 4 (52:18):
You just have to get through the muck.
Speaker 5 (52:20):
Yeah, and choose, like really and truly in the beginning,
when I was you know, when it was hard coming
back into my body, it was just choice after choice
after choice after awareness after awareness after choice after choice
after choice. You know, I started with mindfulness and then
I started going even deeper and deeper and deeper and
deeper and deeper. And it really just starts with looking
(52:43):
you know with like a searing presence.
Speaker 4 (52:46):
It's amazing. Jana, Okay, where can everyone find you?
Speaker 3 (52:49):
And I always wrap with one question, but tell us
whereveryone can find you and if they want to be
a part of your community.
Speaker 5 (52:54):
Yeah, you can go to janistern dot com. That's a
great way to get me and on all socials at
Janastern j A n A s t e r n
Healer h e A l e r so at Janastern
Healer on all the socials wherever it might be. I'm
probably there and janastern dot com is the website.
Speaker 3 (53:14):
And I highly recommend people doing a reading with you
because it was really awesome, like when you were tapping
into the oracle reading. It was really great because like
things that have been weighing on me and a lot
of people who have followed my journey know about like
all my miscarriages and baby journey, and you gave me
some great insight into that, and really it all comes
back to it all comes back to ourselves. This is
(53:37):
all this journey is for ourselves, and like releasing control, trusting, believing,
letting go and.
Speaker 4 (53:44):
Just following.
Speaker 3 (53:47):
The flow that is your life without trying to force
the flow which has been quite the lesson for me,
over and over and over again. I know I always
wrap up with leave your Light, and it's just an
open ended question, what do you want people to know?
Speaker 4 (54:01):
What kind of wisdom do you want to drop here?
Speaker 5 (54:03):
At the end, it's all going to be okay. Like
we're so concerned with all these things in our lives
and we're all so terrified because so many places in
our world tell us to be, But it is all
going to be okay. We are this is not the end,
this is the beginning, and you're not dead. You are alive.
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And if you are alive, then more is possible and
you can choose better and life can get better and
humanity can get better, and it's all going to be okay.
Speaker 4 (54:35):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (54:43):
Carey Lone. She's a queen talking and so she's getting really.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
Not afraid to fav it's episode, So just let it flow.
No one can do require Carey Lone is sounding.
Speaker 4 (55:00):
Kroll deponded.
Speaker 6 (55:10):
H
Cary Lone, she's a queen and talking and you so
she's getting really not afraid to being tax so and
so just let it flow.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
No one can do required like cary Lone is sounding
care Lone.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Well, this has been already such an incredible moment with you,
Jana Stern, because we started this whole thing off with
you giving me an oracle reading, which is just like
that's my idea of like a thrill. Like that's like
the biggest thrill I can get is to like encounter
someone like you who has come into terms with all
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of your greatness and your connection and your gifts and
you now know how to chance on them all and
give people messages and help people heal themselves.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
But I love this about you is you are very
adamant about people.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Being their own guru and not just relying on someone
saying they know the answers.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
And I feel like that's a big deal.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
It it is you know, everyone is always seeking in
this reality for somebody to follow.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Right.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
We have a whole culture and we talked about this
around celebrity. What is it to be a celebrity? Who
can I worship? What do I love about them? What
do I hate about them, going to build them up
and tear them down, and like we never look within,
and why is that? Because we are scared of our
own power and we're taught that we're not We're taught lack,
(01:44):
we're taught in not enoughness, and to stand up against
that fights the system in such a resilient revolutionary way.
And so you know, that's why I have my program
called the Resilience Revolution, because you got to be willing
to be like, wait a minute, I don't subscribe to that.
I actually have all this power and I do have
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the ability to change my life and make things different
for myself. And as soon as you rely on anybody
and listen, I think it's obviously incredible to have coaches
and guides and teachers and you know, healers and things
who can help you on the journey. But ultimately, you
really are your own guru. You have the answers inside
of you, and nobody has experienced your life but you.
(02:27):
So somebody can offer you beautiful reflections and that helps
you move from A to B. But if you're gonna
get from A to Z or Z depending on what
country you're in, then you know you're gonna have to
take some of those steps on your own. And you
can't lean on any person. We learn this many times
in our lives. You can't lean on any person forever
and ever. You can't. Nobody can be or everything. You
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have to be your everything. So you know, I've gotten
sucked into relying on you know, therapists or healers or
guides or teachers in my lifetime, and then inevitably I
see their humanity and it feels like this rug has
been pulled out from under you. And I'm like, but
you were everything you were, You were something magical, and
(03:13):
like they were just human along with all the other
celebrities that we worship, right, And so I think that
you know, rerouting that and reclaiming your own sovereign magic,
that this capacity that we all have to rewrite the
script of what's possible in this lifetime. There's power in that.
(03:34):
And I don't I think I do a disservice as
somebody who does communicate with the other side and act
like a bridge for messages to be delivered. The last
thing I want is for people to look at me
as if I have the answers I can tell you
stuff I can see what's going on in your blind spot,
and you know you and I just kind of experienced
some of that a moment ago. But really it's like, Okay, well,
(03:56):
now what are you going to do about it? Caroline?
You know what I mean? Like it doesn't matter, like
who cares what I know? What are you doing about it?
You know?
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Yeah? I totally I totally know that.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
And I feel like, for the longest time, I was
always seeking answers and for like a guy like you
were saying, I was wanting someone to tell me what
to do.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
I was wanting someone to lay it all.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Out for me.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
I was like, people know way more than me.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Someone out there has all the answers. Someone has figured
it out. Someone is oh so holy, someone is like
the one. And now I've gotten a chance to like
be in a lot of very wise connected souls, and I,
like you said, I see their humanness. I've learned their
humanness as well. And it's like everyone is gifted, and
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so many people have developed their gifts and work with
their gifts. But it's like, ultimately, at the end of
the day, nobody knows. Nobody knows all the answers, nobody.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Knows muscle like you have muscles, use them, you know. Yeah,
And what you think you know?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
You know?
Speaker 5 (04:57):
I say this a lot, I know a lot. I'm
I'm a wise soul. I know this of myself. And
there is a shit ton that I do not know
at all. And there are a lot of things that
don't even know that I don't know in this world.
And I just it's so important to just know what
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you do know and to really ground into You came
here for a reason, and the reason you came here
is to know yourself. And that's it.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Why do Okay, So we all start off in infinite energy,
love whatever. We're all connected in this, but we're all
individuals in this other realm too, right, But we're all
one because.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Everyone has their own unique soul.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
But then we're all a part of the one because
we're all just one, which is one big energy, which
is God, the Universe, the almighty power, everything.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Right.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
But then we like break off into little soul specs
of that one.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
So then the.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Big, the big one, all energy can experience itself in
all these little specs of itself.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
So like whenever you pass away or whatever, and you
go to the next realm and you're like connecting with
your soul family or whatever, and you see your life
and then you decide where what I don't know exactly
what happens in that next round, but I know you
like lose your physical body and you go up into
this all energy. Yeah, but you're still an individual soul, right?
(06:28):
Or have you connected fully back with the one consciousness?
Do you know that you're part of the one consciousness?
Speaker 4 (06:34):
How do you? My whole question is like, how do
we are individuals? But we're not? Like how wrecked that?
How does that? Where's that blurred line?
Speaker 5 (06:43):
We get really lost in me in the eye of life.
I had this experience, I had this trauma. I'm feeling
this feeling. I want this thing, I have this desire
and we get really it's the go right, we get
really stuck in the eye when let it go.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
This is the son of my daughter. She wants to come.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
Say hi.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
She broke she broke the door open. Oh Sonny, Okay,
get out of here. I love you, Okay, thank you.
Can you take all the dogs too? Please? Please take
the dogs. All the dogs are in here too. Hey sugar,
go ahead, go go on, Ruby o, go Ruby. Here's Ruby.
(07:28):
This is ruby, Ruby, Okay, by ruby, thank you, Okay, sorry.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
Yeah, we're lot, We're stuck. We're stuck in the eye.
And when we are in spirit, it's like, you know,
the the best analogy that we have, that I have
in this moment is like in when you're in a vessel,
It's like you are aware that you you are the
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drop of water in the ocean, and when you are
not in the vessel, you are the ocean. But there
is still the remnants of the drop. There is still
the okay, the atom of it, you know what I mean.
You become the drop, you become the ocean.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Like the drop is its own thing when it's out
of the ocean, but it's a part of the ocean,
but yet it's its own drop.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
This is kind of a mind fuck.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
It's totally a mind fuck. We spent entire generations trying
to figure it out as a species, you know, And
I don't have all the answers. I have some answers,
but I don't have all the answers. I do know though,
that when we are in a physical body, we're actually
not meant to have all the answers. We are meant
to go through what I often call Earth School to
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learn about ourselves and how the whole expresses itself. And
right now, like we're in this time where things are
so divisive and so nasty.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
You know, we kind of you thought this coming though,
I was. I've stuck to you pretty hard on your Instagram.
You felt this time was a reckoning, this was the time?
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Okay? Why because it is?
Speaker 3 (09:09):
It's like that, It's like crazy and I think you'ven
physical it's like War of the World.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
I think you posted something like that. It feels like
everybody's crazy. Nothing makes sense.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Everything that we put all of our belief into is
now been turned upside down.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
We don't believe the systems, which is good.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Just be good. How is the cause it's gonna last? Okay, Well,
it'll be intense for sure until twenty twenty seven, and
then things will take a turn for the better, God willing.
But yeah, you know we I did see it coming,
and I saw it coming, and I remember in twenty
twenty being like, oh, it's like that, huh, like this
(09:50):
is what we're doing. Whoo okay, And I remember on
day ninety because it takes ninety days to form a
habit of six feet of distance, which is the space
that your heart chakra resonates, which means that no people
who were less than six feet you were not feeling
their humanity at all. You were not feeling their heart
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resonance because they were six feet away from you.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
So is that part of it to get as disconnected
percent people?
Speaker 5 (10:16):
One hundred percent without a doubt.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
So we're so far apart from people, so everyone was
isolated and then couldn't connect with anyone else.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
That's right, that's right. Interesting, And at ninety days I
remember having a full mental breakdown about it and being like, oh,
now we're in the habit. Now, this is what we do. Now,
this is who we are as a species, and we're
going to have to unlearn this and it's going to
be a lot of work. And even then, at that point,
I already had the knowing that we are destined for this,
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this collective awakening, and I did not know that it
was going to go to all the places and how
like be as insidious as it was. But I don't
know why I didn't expect it to be, because I've
dug into some of the most disgusting parts of humanity
just to shed light on it. Because I believe that
you have to look and I yeah, I think there's
still more to to go. And we we kind of
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talked about it earlier, right, some of those things that
we're seeing.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Oh, we just do it for a giant reset, Like
the systems finally failed. Like whatever we had built was
built wasn't built on truth. It was built on like
like blinding.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
People to their Yeah exactly, and like this, I mean,
like what did every single one of your cards just
say a moment ago? Truth is love?
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Right?
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Do you see love? And like capitalism and exploitation and
war and death and all these like nope, big pharma
exactly right, Like it's just it's just terrible. Now, that
doesn't mean that there isn't great things about medicine. Absolutely,
is it medicine or is it medication? You're gonna leave
it alone, right, But then like really, where is the
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blend of those things? And this is why again we're
seeing this like big uptick and holistic medicine and Western
medicine sort of Eastern medicine rather, and you know, spiritual
practices and you know, belief in God is going through
the roof because we're living in biblical times and hey,
there must be something bigger than us, and how we
all choose to access it kind of doesn't matter so
long as your beliefs don't want to murder other people.
(12:15):
But yeah, I think that you know, we're we're really
in this interesting time right now in humanity and questions
that like the one that you're asking about what the
hell goes on on the other side. We have so
much more bandwidth for that now than we ever have
in human history. Right when we were busy tilling the fields,
we weren't stopping and being like, what happens when you die?
(12:37):
Maybe we'd pot into the question for a little while,
but we didn't have time to just sit in the
algorithm and scroll about it for five hours, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Mm hm, And you have Yeah, I know it feels
very political, but also at the same time, I've noticed
you posted a lot about it's just like two wings
of the same bird, like we're all it's all the
same thing, and so it's just it's just all it's
like neither one is the answer, you know.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Correct, that's right? New bird? Please?
Speaker 3 (13:06):
I know, can we get a new bird? But we
have to break the system down, I guess until we
get a new bird.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
I think, well, I think what we need to do
is like sort of shoot it out of the sky,
so to speak, or rather like put it in a
cage and and make sure that in its cage it
doesn't get suicided. And by that I mean that it
suffers a consequence that you know, we that we call
the bird what it is, and that we name this
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my nose is itchy, which means that this is incredibly true.
Uh you know there there there has been this dark
insidiousness to this reality, and governments have been involved clearly, right,
we know with the CIA just really like has released
things that like aliens are real, and so is remote viewing,
which means that they can literally have they have people
who can view with their third eye what you're doing, right,
(13:59):
Like they can literally astral project themselves out of their
body and observe different rooms around the world, and that
is real and like casually they mentioned it and they're like,
don't worry about it though, guys, fine, did you see
this policy that we've put out that makes you angry
at your neighbor? Like it's just we're so backwards and
we believe so much of this reality. We believe that,
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like the atoms are real around us that are formulating,
and we believe that the you know, we've forgotten, that
it's all here for us, and that we can create
it differently, and that we have the power to do that.
And as soon as your power is taken away from you,
then they can instill more fear so that you will
obey and do as they say. And unfortunately, for most people,
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there is no alternative to that, like there is no
other way, and many of us are waking up. There's
like this inkling, this feeling of like monotony and dult
duldrum like energy of like like I just I feel
like there's got to be more than this. And people
are saying it left and right and left and right
and left and right, like this can't be where we end.
(15:03):
Like this is not the end of the world, even
though it does feel like the end of the world.
It is the end of a world. And in many
spiritual communities, you know, we talk about like new Earth consciousness, right,
and like God bless those people because they are holding
the frequency for something that is possible. You know, Do
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I think that it's going to be all love and light?
Maybe not?
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Right?
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Away, and maybe not in our lifetime fully, but certainly
perhaps in your children, you know, in our children's I
don't have any, but you know in the kids they
might experience it, certainly their children will, you know, in
the real what I say, the real Age of Aquarius.
We're not where Pluto is in Aquarius, but in the
real age of Aquarius in two hundred and fifty years,
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when humanity has really let it sink in, then we'll
have a different experience. But over the next twenty years,
the reckoning is coming for us to were right.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
So it's going to be a wild ride.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
Yeah, I get your popcorn.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Do you feel like we will get to a place
where people where the systems have collapsed and people have
regained their like intuition and their connection to divine and
we are actually living in a harmonious state.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
I do think that that's great. Yeah, I do think
that I had, Like I said to you earlier, I
have to cling to that. Otherwise I'm gonna go to
the other places because it ain't it here.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
You know.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
When I so in my twenties, I had a suicide
attempt and tried to kill myself. I was gone for
eleven minutes and in that time, Spirit gave me the
choice to come back.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Really, I want okay, sorry, I want to hear what
you're about to say, but like I want to impact
this first part. How did Spirit give you the choice?
Speaker 4 (16:56):
What did that feel like?
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Like?
Speaker 4 (16:58):
How did you know you were getting a choice from?
Speaker 5 (17:00):
For me, I like left my body and my great
grandmother and my ancestors, my great grandfather, like those who
I know and those who I don't know. I'm very
fortunate to be able to track my lineage and have
photos of my great grandparents. My great great grandparents and
my great great great grandparents are all intact, which as
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a Jewish woman's kind of a miracle. And I was
greeted by them, and my great grandmother sort of came
to me, I'm named for her, I hold her name.
My Hebrew name is her name. And she said to me,
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it's too soon, but you have a choice, and I
was like, okay, and she showed me kind of like,
you know, the pain that my mother was feeling in
the moment. My mom was sitting there in the hospital
with me, and she showed me that pain. And I
really had this understanding that like forever after if I
os to go. Then the story that my brothers would tell,
(18:03):
that my parents would tell, that my grandparents, who were
still alive at the time, would tell, was our daughter
sister granddaughter killed herself and that that had a weight.
And I was like, hmm, I don't. I don't like
how that feels. So I chose I came back. I
was like, Okay, I'm gonna, I'm I'm I'm back, I go.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Is it hard to get back into your body?
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Nope, it was a no. It was a It was
a simple choice.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
My house is so itchy.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
It was a simple choice.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Were you happy to be No?
Speaker 5 (18:38):
No, not right away. You're not happy to be in
the body. But you know, I did a lot of work.
I went through a lot of therapies, a lot of healing,
you know. I uh, I had a life activation which
changed my life. I had what is that number? It's
an energy and metaphysical healing through the modern mystery school
(18:59):
that I later mastered and learned myself because it was
such an impactful healing on me. And you know, I
had lots of different readings and other sessions, healings, you know,
psychic surgeries and things like that. All these wou weird
things and you know practical. I was in treatment for
many years and seeing five different therapists and doing creative
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therapies and art therapies and this and that and the other,
and I was I mean, you name it. I was medicated.
I was all these things. I had so many diagnoses,
eating disorder, borline personality. At one point they were like, no,
she's bipolar like her father. No I'm not yees she like.
It was just so many things, and like almost the
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moment that I decided, actually, none of that is my truth,
but thank you so much. The truth is that I'm
magical and this reality is fucked, and y'all have a problem,
and there is this bigger thing that is available to us,
and we are from this source, and we are here
or for like such a short amount of time, for
such an important reason right now. And I knew this
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twenty years ago when I had my attempt. More than that,
when I had my attempt, I knew this like deeply
in my soul, and I didn't like know what to
do about it. And now that we're here, I was like, oh,
this time, right now, this is why I chose Because
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when I came back and started to like hear spirit
and have the gift of mediumship way more intensely than
ever before. When I was a kid, I could hear
crystals and like they would sing songs and tell stories.
And then as I got older, I was like, Okay,
I guess I'm just like kind of crazy. And as
I leaned into it, I was like, no, this, this
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wu stuff is real, Like this spiritual stuff is real.
And the more that I was just like, gung ho,
this is it. I don't care what you say, call
me crazy, it doesn't matter, the more the trend of
it started trending, and like now you can't open your
phone without somebody talking about it. And I'm like, do
you know how many times I heard people tell me
that I was nuts because of this shit? And like
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I just laugh now because it's you know, because I
do think that we're we still have a long way
to go to where we're gonna get and where people
are now and their awakenings and waking up to all
this magic, thank God, thank thank God, And there's a
long journey ahead for all of us, but I do
think that we'll get there.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
What drove you to want to end it?
Speaker 5 (21:34):
The pressure the pressure of knowing that A I have
a big mission, I have a big mouth, which means
I have a big mission, and be the pressure of
knowing being able to like future cast and understand this world.
(21:59):
You know, I I sort of brushed over it quickly.
But my father was schizophrenic and he has been since
I was a small, small child. His first hospitalization I
was three, and it's just been an ongoing reality of that.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Was that scary for you as a kid.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
It was heartbreaking for me as a kid. There were
moments that it was scary because he would say and
do things that were out of his that were real
to him but not real to the rest of us.
But it just always broke my heart. It always felt
like he wasn't getting he didn't get what he needed
from his parents, and he wasn't understood, and he wasn't
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making the right choices for himself. He'd go on his
meds and off his meds, and on his meds and
off his meds, and it was just always something but
that relationship to mental health and understanding how unbelievably gifted
this man is. He is somebody who can look up
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at the stars and tell you every single constellation. He
has a mind like nobody I know. He is so
bright and so brilliant, and ideas just flow through him
in this magical way. And you know, seventy years ago,
One didn't tend to the needs of a special need
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the way that we do now, thank God that we
do now. But it was not available. And I knew this.
I always had that knowing. And I understood about his magic.
I understood about his gifts. You know still when I
speak to him now, I mean thankfully. So he walked
to Florida from Toronto in twenty twenty one during the
pandemic when the borders were closed. We don't know how
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the hell he got there.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
And why did you do that?
Speaker 5 (23:49):
I don't know why he did that? Do you do higher?
Speaker 3 (23:53):
I think do you feel like because you talk a
lot about how traumas are truly like a blessing once
you crack open. Yes, gizophrenia feels difficult because it's you know,
it's like all these different personalities and thought processes seem
to be happening at once.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
How do you relate that to his spiritual gifts and
view it as a gust?
Speaker 5 (24:17):
Yeah? I mean, you know, if you're hearing voices who's talking?
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Right, Yeah, why are they talking to him? But some
of the voices want you to harm yourself though, right.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
Yeah, he's never been that guy a day in his life.
Currently being he's institutionalized in a hospital, like in a
state hospital, and while he is there, like he's just
they're like, he's the nicest guy, he doesn't cause any problems,
he's the best patient. We love him so much, And
(24:47):
every single hospital is like this for years, like he
is the least violent person you'll ever meet in your life.
So thankfully that's not part of my experience of him.
But yeah, you know, I always had this understanding that
because I could hear voices too, crystals would literally speak
to me. My grandfather had this huge collection his father
(25:10):
and his grandfather, like my grandmother's father also collected and
so I could always hear them always. When my parents
were still married, we would go to their home in
Pennsylvania and I could hear them sing to me and
tell me stories. And as I got older, it became
(25:31):
very clear that like hearing voices, no bueno, right, And
so like for him, I think the way that his
magic is the way that his gift comes through is
ingenius like and you know, they say it's a thin
line between genius and insanity. He just I think he
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just crossed the line and forgot how to come back.
I often say he kind of left his body. He
went up someplace. Now it's hard for him to come
back down.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
And you know, I think we all have the capacity
to go there, but we choose not to because it's
simply easier not to. And now in this world, like
in you know, an internet world, it's even easier not
to write. Just stay on the TV, stay in the algorithm.
You know, sugar exactly. Just you know, do whatever you're
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told to do. Have the unhealthy foods that keeper vibration low.
You know, where the fabrics that are not good for
you eat, the foods that you know, all of the things,
every everything.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
It's so hard because finding the things that are good
for you is like the you have to go seek
it out because it.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Is so hard to find.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
And we're so we're so programmed just to be in
the system and to be weighed down by food and
products that it's to find what's good vibrationally is you
have to go hunting for it.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Yes, And What's very interesting about that is we are
seeing though this this trend is organic food in you know,
what is sustainable, what is good for the planet, what
is good for our bodies, you know what holistic medicine supplements,
things like that, Like, there is a trend in that,
and the trend is trending for a reason because we
(27:16):
want that. We are reclaiming it. Unfortunately, there are powers
that be, entities and energies that maybe don't want that.
They don't want us to be that powerful to remember.
But I believe that, like the reckoning will come. I
just believe that there will come a time where collectively
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people will recognize that your neighbor is not your threat.
And you know, so long as we are voting for
the left wing of the right wing and being like
that's the bird I'm betting on, Like, well, we're going
to stay in this. And you know, it was funny
Canada just had an election and because you're in Canada, yep,
(27:58):
And unfortunately.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
And escsionally, why do you say that, oh, all.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
Of North America's shitthole. Frankly, I'm just like so over
it all. I want to be in places where they
remember that we're on the land, and that land is sacred,
and that we must tend it and care for it,
and that we're not just here to like pay bills
and die.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Where do you feel like that is?
Speaker 5 (28:20):
Oh so many places. I've experienced it in Costa Rica.
I've experienced it in Mexico. I've experienced it in Bali.
You know, I think that there are parts of Europe
that still very much Remember I mean a couple of
days ago, Spain and Portugal had no Internet and they
just sat around and like played games like nobody was
looting and you know, pulling their guns out like there
(28:41):
would be up in this you know continent. It's just
nonsense here. People are so programmed and it's so backwards.
Canada's just trying to be America's like, but like we're
not anything, Like we're just so dumb anyway, whatever you say, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
and I said big, but I did me little. But
we're just physically we're like we're larger than you guys,
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even though we're way less populated.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
A friend of mine votes differently than I do, and
uh or did that I did? And she was like, well,
what do we do? You know, how do how do
we find. We were talking about how to make peace
and how to bridge the gap because she and her
husband also vote differently.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
That's tricky, especially right now. Yeah, yeah, end marriages.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
Sure can, sure can. And I said, you know, we
have to stop seeing each other as the enemy. And
actually the power is in not voting at all now
of course, like you know, people are like, but if
you didn't vote, say this, you can't do that, and
I'm like, actually, there's like real power in that in that.
(29:51):
I mean, I voted because I voted, because I guess
I didn't walk my talk in that moment. But yeah,
like I really I think that if we collectively all stood,
I mean there's that image of you know, people all
bent over with with stuff on their backs, carrying it collectively,
and then when everybody starts to stand up, the stuff
on your back falls off, right, And yeah, that's why
(30:13):
it's why I open my mouth every day, because it's
my way of standing up in one way or another,
even though I'm maybe too cowardly not to vote.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Do you feel nervous speaking your truth because you do
speak how you feel?
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Never?
Speaker 5 (30:27):
Never, never I feel nervous lying I feel. And that's
always been there, for me. I used to lie as
a kid a little bit.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Yeah, would.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
I lied about what I think? I was really uncomfortable
with what my truth was. You know, it's not easy
to be child of divorce whose father is literally psychotic.
You know. My mom had remarried. We were a brady bunch,
blended family, and there's a lot of like stuff that
comes with that, especially in a small community, and I
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just wanted to be something different.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Did you like your childhood?
Speaker 5 (31:07):
Yes and no. My mom and my dad, my stepdad,
did like their best to provide everything that they could
to us. But I was always a broken hearted like
little girl because my father, like my daddy, wasn't around,
you know, and I had to make hard choices. At thirteen,
I was like, I can't have him in my life.
And I really didn't until I was thirty, and that
(31:29):
was a lot of years.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Yeah. Oh yeah, that's just an ache, probably, he felt.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Yeah. Yeah, but it obviously shaped you and brought your
gifts into being. I know, isn't that like the double
edged sword and.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
You speak a mind to magic?
Speaker 4 (31:43):
You know, that's the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Like the trauma is like so necessary, but it's like, oh,
is that what this Earth School's about. It's just like
having the trauma and just like feeling it and internalizing
it and like alchemizing it into your actual gift.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
But like why does it have to be so painful?
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Because like that is so devastatingly painful with a young child,
what you went through.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
Yeah, it was, but I think that you know, I
don't relate to it that way anymore.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
I used you healed it, You healed it.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Yeah, you think that's part of what maybe me sent
you into wanting to end it as well, just like
that and that pain that you.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
Had absolutely oh yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Yeah, like your own gifts that you didn't know what
to do with, plus your situation.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
You just were had so much pain. Yeah. I was
so heavy.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
I was in agony every day and it was clearer,
and I didn't know what to do, and I felt
so out of control, which is why I was controlling
food and and you know things like that, because I
didn't know where to go with myself or how to
navigate any of this. You're not we're not taught, right,
and so yeah I do, I do. I think that's
exactly what it is. And I think the reason that
(32:53):
it's so painful and agonizing and you know, like desperate
and its suffering in this reality is because in order
for it to not feel like suffering, you have to
feel it.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
Oh okay, well that's kind of big.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
In order for the suffering to not feel like suffering,
you actually have to feel the suffering that you're resisting.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
That's right, or else it's.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Just going to keep knocking on your door and like
banging it down.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Until finally, like you embrace it.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
Yes, And it will show up over and over and
over and over and over and over and over and
over and over. It'll show up in every single relationship
and every single partnership and every single friendship. It will
show up in your relationship with your parents, It will
show up in your relationship with your siblings, It will
show up mostly in your relationship with yourself. Like, it
will just show up over and over and over again,
and there will be many things that you will experience
(33:45):
that will have you observe how are you relating to
that trauma? How are you relating to that core wound?
And like, everybody has a different one. Not everybody had
a schizophrenic father that they had to put outside of
their life for you know, however many years I did.
It was like everybody has a something that they've experienced.
But then what happens is we get really stuck. And
(34:06):
this is where addictions and numbing behaviors and things come
about because we don't want to feel it. But if
you can look at whatever that thing is that happened
that you tell is as the story of why you
are the way you are, well it keeps you the
way that you are if you keep saying this is
my why instead of this is what happened, but it's
(34:29):
not me.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
That's such a good distinction because, like you said, if
you were just to define yourself by your childhood traumas,
which I feel like so many of us do.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
You're born or unconsciously yep, you're.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Born into this world and you immediately define yourself by
your parents, by your financial status, by your.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
Religion. I fit into these buckets. This is who I am,
and I'm going to have this kind of suffering or
that kind of suffering and all more valid than anybody else.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
And what the elders in your life tell you about yourself,
you know, like you believe that ought to be true,
and so I feel like so many, especially like the
older generations passes, they never even cracked into it and
realized that that wasn't their truth because they weren't. I
don't feel like our parents' generations maybe, but like grandparents,
like they didn't even realize that mental health was like
a thing, you know, that, like it was something that
(35:22):
we needed to work on, and that we aren't like
exactly what you're saying, what has what has happened to it?
Speaker 4 (35:27):
It's just what has happened to us. It's not who
we are.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
Yes, yes, And I mean listen, their generation, like our grandparents' generation,
is almost gone. I still have a grandmother who is living,
and I'm grateful for her, but they're almost gone. And
when they are, the boomers will have to do a
little bit of work. It's clear that they have some
(35:50):
work to do. But yeah, I mean we that work
is ongoing for us as a species, and like I said,
it will be ongoing if we don't blow ourselves up
for the next two hundred and fifty years at least,
and maybe for the rest of humanity for the rest
of time, in like, for the rest of however long
(36:13):
we are here as a species, and that's a lot
to think about, right, It's a lot to hold. Also,
it's why we're here now because I can say something
(36:36):
like that and it lands you're like, right, And so
that was never true before because we didn't our general
like our parents' generation and the generation before them didn't
have the consciousness for that. They literally did not have
the frequency available to them from the analog life that
(36:59):
they were living. And you know when for me and you,
half of my life was analog and half of my
life was digital. For the kids now, their entire lives
are are digital, but the percentages of that in boomers
is way smaller.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
Right.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
Their understanding of of what's to come. I mean they're
they're they're going to die, right, And I don't mean
that it's terrible in a in a negative way. I
mean like they're going to go back to source and
that's that, Like we're all going to die eventually, and
so yeah, there's a lot riding on the future.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
A kind of an exciting time, right. I mean it's throwing,
you know, because we're in a spiritual work here.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
But it's what since you did have a near death experience,
what happens when you die? Like, what is it everyone's
so afraid of dying. But like, what why and what
happens over there? And do you come back again? Because
like so many faiths don't believe in reincarnations, so many
faiths do here we do.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
We have to keep coming back to Earth until we
master this earth experience.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
My understanding it of is this, first of all, the
answer to your question what happens? The answer is everything.
Everything happens every single experience. You are the bee, you
are the ant, you are the bird, you are the jaguar,
you are the tiger, you are the leaf, you are
the sand, you are the water, you are everything. Literally,
(38:27):
my understanding of reincarnation is kind of an interesting one.
So in spirit, when you are not in a physical body,
say this a lot from a particle physics perspective. When
you are not in a particle, you are in a wave.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Right, So when you're not in a physical body, you're
in a wave of energy that's right frequency, just.
Speaker 5 (38:52):
All the all being m and in that frequency you
can plug into any reality, any particle, right. And so
as spirit you are guiding those in physical in one
direction or another. Time. However is fake, it's completely make believe.
(39:16):
We know this, So and it happens in like this
compressed way in the now, but really time stretches to everything,
which is why most people when they have near death experiences,
their life flatches before their eyes because it all happens
in an instant, right. And so when a spirit plugs
into a vessel to guide in any direction for any reason, no,
(39:40):
don't marry that person. Turn left, not right, and everything
in between, the knowingness of that person's life is their
whole life, and so you can then when that spirit
incarnates into their own body, it feels like a quote pas,
(40:01):
it feels like an entire lifetime that they have experienced,
which is why so many of these schmucks come through
with like oh I was Jesus in a past life,
I was Mary Magdalen, I was Joan of Arc Like no,
we like okay, yes, because we were all everything.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
But really they just tapped into it when they were
in the wave m hm. So they weren't really having
a life on this earth. They were just tapping into
life's on this earth because they were the all spirit.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
That makes a lot of sense, hm.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
So you can kind of like voyage or whatever not
into other yep, yeah, into other physical reality, but anywhere,
not just Earth, anywhere in the whole universe.
Speaker 5 (40:44):
Time space, continuum. That's right, exactly more than the universe.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
It's probably more than the universe.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
It's probably infinite, whatever is infinite, of all infinite, whatever
is out there.
Speaker 5 (40:53):
Right, this is this is you know, many realities existing
all in ones, right, and many parallel universes and things
of that nature.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
So you can just hop around and check it all
out and see what's going on and help guide people,
and then you can just decide where you want to incarnate.
Speaker 5 (41:11):
Yes, And so that's why when when a little being
chooses to incarnate with you, you're like, holy shit, I'm.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
Blessed, because like that's a big decision. Yeah, And it's
hard to incarnate, right.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
I mean a lot of intervie. Yeah, it's fucking hard
to be a human man, And it's hard to be
a fucking human. It's the hardest thing we do. Why
does anyone want.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
Is it's one of the harder realms.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
I keep hearing that, like one of the harder schools
per se, why do we.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
Want to come here? It's dense? Okay, because it's so
what does that mean?
Speaker 5 (41:44):
So the vibration so if you start tracking the Shuman resonance,
which is the resonance of Earth and the third dimension
that we exist on, that resonance only goes between seven
to fifteen hurts, and there are thousands of hurts, Like
the frequency of hurts is very high, and so that
is low in the numbers, right, seven to fifteen. That
(42:06):
ain't it? But it is it. It's all that it is,
it's all that we are, it's all that it's the
available to us. Really, although the Shuman residence has been
off the chain lately and we've been getting these crazy
waves and stuff like that, but it's been yeah, like this,
this is what it is. So it's dense, it's literally heavy,
it's weighted. It's low on the frequency scale. And when
(42:30):
we start to really understand about frequency collectively, we're not
going to tolerate this kind of fuckera anymore. We're like,
excuse me, Earth School, Who is in charge? Who is
making decisions? Who is in those rooms that makes decisions
about things that I know I don't agree with and
neither does the person beside me. And I don't want
this and I don't consent, and how do we change that?
(42:52):
And we don't yet have the power collectively in our minds.
We don't believe yet that we have the power. And
I am like literally here for the revolution of it.
I'm literally here to be like, actually you do, but
I don't whisper.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
So is it is it human beings that have the power?
Are there actual humans and they figured out how to
control all this? How did they figure that out?
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (43:15):
Oh oh oh, I see what you're asking. Okay, So
you know, while we're on conspiracy theories, there is this
there was this is this rumor of a cabal okay.
And I've often said as people were like, oh, you're
a conspiracy theorist. I'm like, if the idea exists in
(43:38):
the collective that something like that exists, then there is
an entity and an energy that is that period full stop.
Do I think that it is only human? No? I
think that those entities, those energies, those that cabal energy
(44:00):
of whatever it is, also knows about this CIA stuff,
also knows about other things like that. And I believe
that there are energies that and literal entities that are
suppressing our consciousness and keeping us in a lower vibration.
Can web that, Yeah, you work on your own. You
(44:21):
mind your own business, literally.
Speaker 4 (44:24):
And if everyone minds her own business, we can break
the suppression.
Speaker 5 (44:27):
If if the entire world, if every single human being
on planet Earth decided collectively to have a fifteen minute
meditation everybody, no, no exceptions, no opening your eyes, no
scrolling on your phone, no watching the TV, no opt out,
(44:47):
we would be in a different reality at the end
of the fifteen minutes period.
Speaker 4 (44:52):
It would just take one time.
Speaker 5 (44:54):
Yeah, but like, how can But you can't even get
people to agree on who to vote for. You can't
even get it. People do agree on whether or not
climate change is real. You can't get right, like all
these divisive You can't even get people to agree on
whether or not this person has value as a human
or that person has value as a human. How on
earth if in that low fuckery vibration, could you possibly
(45:18):
get to the high vibration of love and peace that
is available in a collective meditation like that? And I
remember in the pandemic doing a lot of collective meditations
virtual you know, containers where thousands of people around the
world were gathering and having these kinds of mind.
Speaker 4 (45:34):
That's probably pretty powerful.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
Back when that was happening, it was it was, it
was it was maybe that's what's.
Speaker 4 (45:41):
Led to the spiritual awakening that's happened.
Speaker 5 (45:43):
Part of it, I hope God willing. Yeah, yeah, So
what is.
Speaker 4 (45:48):
Your goal with your life?
Speaker 3 (45:50):
Like, what is your after having this chance to come
back after everything you've been through? What is your divine
purpose here?
Speaker 5 (46:01):
As I see it? Is to be able to channel
and speak as much as possible in as many places
as I possibly can, and to live a fulfilling life
that takes me where I wish to be and where
I where I'm needed to give the messages that come through.
So clearly, I'm not afraid to speak my truth. I'm
(46:21):
not afraid to live it. I'm not afraid and I
and I live in integrity with a lot of it,
which not all people who are you know, the gurus
are and so yeah, I think you know, for me,
it's it's really just about more opportunities to keep spreading
the light to as many people as possible and to
(46:42):
you know, guide people in the containers that I hold,
you know, in the ways that I that I can.
You know, I love working with with my clients. I
love to to be, you know, in the vibration of
what we were in earlier. That's my, that's my.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
That was amazing doing reading, like channeling. How so if
people want to work with you, what what are the options?
Speaker 5 (47:05):
Mm hmm. Right now it is Resilience Revolution. So it's
a ninety day like group coaching and one on one.
You get six one on ones with me. They are
as powerful as you can imagine them to be. We
start with your birth chart. We dig into who you
were designed to be in this lifetime and how you
(47:27):
can follow your own map home to yourself. And then uh,
there's in the group classes, we're like diving into divination
and how to like work your intuition and how to
channel and how to you know, speak the language of
crystals and understand about astrology and what the hell is
EFT and why do we need it and does it help?
(47:48):
And all these different things. There are so many different
things in my journey that I've learned because I put
my spoon into a lot of different pots. Now I'm
just like getting to offer some of that flavoring to
others and guide and teach and do that and then
you know, be able to open my mouth and use
my words for good God willing.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
So that's amazing though, that you have the experience that
you had of like crossing over, choosing to come back,
realizing your gifts, going on your own journey to activate them,
trying so many things, and now you've concocted like almost
like a little potion formula that is what you know
to be true that works because you have gone from
(48:32):
the depths of not wanting to be here to now
being so fully activated that you're like, Okay, I actually
have tried all of this, and here is the journey
that you need to hop into to activate yourself. Like
that's very powerful to have someone have walked this journey
like you have. And I guess you almost have to
to be at your level. You almost have to go
(48:54):
so far so you can go. So it's like for
every action there's a to like hit the other extremity.
Speaker 4 (49:00):
Of being connected.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
You almost have to be that disconnected baby or that
lost right.
Speaker 5 (49:04):
Yeah, definitely. And you know the cool thing about it,
you know, as per your your first comment that sort
of kicked this podcast off, I'm actually not the guru, right,
and so what's really great is that I can open
a lot of these doors and introduce some of these
modalities and tools and opportunities, and if you want to
(49:26):
go deeper, that's what we'll do. So in that group,
if the feeling and the vibe of everybody is like, Okay,
we just want to know everything there is to know
about astrology, well I don't know everything there is to know,
but I do know quite a bit, and so okay,
let's go there and we'll just dig all the way
and then when something else needs to come up and
somebody else has something else that they want to dive into,
we can. And then afterwards, at the end of that
(49:49):
ninety days, you get to go on and figure out
what of those little nuggets feels good for you. What
is it that you want to keep diving into. What
was that one thing that I shared that you were like,
oh my god, there's for sure a rabbit hole that
I got to go down now. And then you go
and so you know, and I love that. I love
(50:11):
to be like, there's another world available, there's another reality
beyond the one that you believe to be the limitation.
That limitation is your mind. It's not real, and like,
here are thirty thousand things that you can do that
might challenge it.
Speaker 4 (50:29):
You know, you're just a guide something a guide.
Speaker 3 (50:33):
Yeah, you're all sorts of things. What would you if
you're going to list all of your gifts?
Speaker 4 (50:37):
What are they?
Speaker 5 (50:39):
I'm a psychic, I am a I'm clear audience, so
I have an interhering. I'm also clear cognizant. I have
an inner knowing. I am an astrologer, which in itself
is kind of a gift. It's a big universe out
there and there's a lot to know, and I love
that I get to read the stars. I'm yeah, I'm
(51:01):
certified as an e f T specialist, So that's cool.
Ef T is the art of tapping and moving the
energy and your meridians.
Speaker 4 (51:11):
Jana, this is I'm serious.
Speaker 5 (51:14):
I'm certified as a life activation practitioner. I'm you know,
I've studied quantum Human Design, which is a cool twist
on human design by the brilliant Karen Curry Parker, who
is studied with raw Uru who. And if I'm saying
crazy things that you don't understand, if you're listening to this,
go look it all up. But yeah, you know, I'm
(51:35):
a lot of I'm a lot of things. I'm also
an ant, which I love and yeah, mostly I'm just Jana.
Speaker 4 (51:41):
You know, are you enjoying your journey?
Speaker 5 (51:43):
Oh yeah, I'm super happy to be alive, and that
in itself is enough for me to be like, yeah,
I'm the expert because I used to want to kill myself.
I literally tried to take my own life, and now
I'm just happy to be here. So, you know, that's
so for.
Speaker 4 (51:56):
Others, amazing. What a gift, What a gift of.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
Your life though, like truly, like, and what a gift
to the divine spark that is you that you have
gone on the journey to feel this way. You know,
you didn't call it because so many of us want to,
but you didn't. And now look what's on the other side.
You know, I feel like that is a message for
so many people that there is another side waiting.
Speaker 4 (52:18):
You just have to get through the muck.
Speaker 5 (52:20):
Yeah, and choose, like really and truly in the beginning,
when I was you know, when it was hard coming
back into my body, it was just choice after choice
after choice after awareness after awareness after choice after choice
after choice. You know, I started with mindfulness and then
I started going even deeper and deeper and deeper and
deeper and deeper. And it really just starts with looking
(52:43):
you know with like a searing presence.
Speaker 4 (52:46):
It's amazing. Jana, Okay, where can everyone find you?
Speaker 3 (52:49):
And I always wrap with one question, but tell us
whereveryone can find you and if they want to be
a part of your community.
Speaker 5 (52:54):
Yeah, you can go to janistern dot com. That's a
great way to get me and on all socials at
Janastern j A n A s t e r n
Healer h e A l e r so at Janastern
Healer on all the socials wherever it might be. I'm
probably there and janastern dot com is the website.
Speaker 3 (53:14):
And I highly recommend people doing a reading with you
because it was really awesome, like when you were tapping
into the oracle reading. It was really great because like
things that have been weighing on me and a lot
of people who have followed my journey know about like
all my miscarriages and baby journey, and you gave me
some great insight into that, and really it all comes
back to it all comes back to ourselves. This is
(53:37):
all this journey is for ourselves, and like releasing control, trusting, believing,
letting go and.
Speaker 4 (53:44):
Just following.
Speaker 3 (53:47):
The flow that is your life without trying to force
the flow which has been quite the lesson for me,
over and over and over again. I know I always
wrap up with leave your Light, and it's just an
open ended question, what do you want people to know?
Speaker 4 (54:01):
What kind of wisdom do you want to drop here?
Speaker 5 (54:03):
At the end, it's all going to be okay. Like
we're so concerned with all these things in our lives
and we're all so terrified because so many places in
our world tell us to be, But it is all
going to be okay. We are this is not the end,
this is the beginning, and you're not dead. You are alive.
(54:25):
And if you are alive, then more is possible and
you can choose better and life can get better and
humanity can get better, and it's all going to be okay.
Speaker 4 (54:35):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (54:43):
Carey Lone. She's a queen talking and so she's getting really.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
Not afraid to fav it's episode, So just let it flow.
No one can do require Carey Lone is sounding.
Speaker 4 (55:00):
Kroll deponded.
Speaker 6 (55:10):
H
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