Kylie Frey — the princess of Texas country music — has built her career the hard way, turning early rejection from label executives into an undeniable run of success with 12 No. 1 songs on Texas country charts. Raised in a rodeo family as a middle child, Kylie’s independence, grit, and quiet confidence were forged early and still define both her personality and her sound. She never planned on becoming a mom, but motherhood sparked a profound personal and creative rebirth, adding new depth to her songwriting as she learned how to balance life on the road with a child by her side. Her latest EP, Half a Mind, features the standout single “Fort Worth” with John Randall, while she continues work on what she says is her most personal album yet — one that reflects resilience, growth, and staying true to yourself no matter how long the road takes.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Carl Line. She's a queen and talking and so she's
getting really not afraid to feel its episode, so just
let it flow. No one can do we quiet carey
lone is sound for care lound?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Okay, I'm here with Haylie French bride not French though,
I just fried actually, so it's for real. So it's
for real and for fun for real? Is that kind
of how you describe yourself for real and for fun?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
You know? I should? I should?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
What do you take seriously about that?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I like, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I just internalize, Like what are you analyzing when you're analyzing?
Are you analyzing like your appearance? Are you analyzing your performance?
Are you analyzing your uh? The way people perceive you things?
Is that artists mentality?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
I think it is.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Are you a people pleaser? Yes?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yes, order And I'm middle child?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Oh is middle child? Send him real?
Speaker 1 (01:08):
It's real?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
So what does that mean exactly?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I think that we're like the best. I think I
think we're fun. I always say that I'm the what
is it the icing in the middle of the oreo
cookie mm hmm, But you do tend to be like
the peanut butter in the middle of like the not
so great sandwiches sometimes, Okay, explain that the peacekeeper.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
So like, did you're younger and older argue.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Well, so my sister is just a different breed.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
What kind of reed is she?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
She just does not she cares, but like, especially as
a kid, like it was her world and we were
living in it, and she's gonna she's gonna beat me
after she says this.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
But we fought a lot and you're trying to get
your own world going. You're like, I'm not gonna be
in your world.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I have my own world. And she was like skinny
and athletic and pretty, and I was just like the
frumpy kid that loved ice cream and had a lot
of feelings. And she would yell at me when I
played guitar too loud, and you know, all the things,
all the things. But we're very good friends now. But yeah,
(02:19):
so she just kind of didn't care, and my younger
brother also kind of didn't care. And also so it
was just like I felt like I was the peacekeeper
a lot of the time until I had enough and
then we would do it out.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Fight. Oh yeah, you would fist fight. Oh yeah, if
you punch, you throw a punch. Like with your sister,
we would full hair.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
It's her birthday to day and I posted on Instagram
this morning, I was like, happy birthday, Caitlyn. I'm so
glad we don't pull each other's hair out anymore.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, yeah, that's good. Yeah, Like what would cause a
fist to fly?
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Who knows?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Okay, you normally started the fights.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Probably and you were tired of living in her world.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah, we love her. We will say this with all
the love.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
We love her. But I take sure she'd have a
lot to say if she were here now.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Sure, of course, you can't live with someone for eighteen
years every day of your life and share bathrooms and
share sleeping spaces, and share food and have to share
parents and schedules and feelings. You can't live with someone
and not have a feeling about it.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Exactly. We had to share a room until I think
we were I think ten. I think I was ten
and she was twelve or something.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Like what life lessons did you get from sharing the room?
Speaker 1 (03:35):
She would take painter's tape and like from like the
top of the wall, like almost to the ceiling, she
would like literally divide our room, like wait, this is
my side, that is your side, and the only way
that you can cross over is to go to the closet.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
So y'all weren't the kind of sisters that were just
like Besty, Besty, bestie, I love you, love you my
sister and I really weren't like that either.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
No, like we are now. I have a really great relationship.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Now she'll have to go to therapy and talk through
your childhood.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
I've gone to therapy and talked through my childhood for
the last four years. And I don't know about her,
but she just Yeah, she's a mama three boys and
just rocks it.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
She was ready for that though she was she I
can just.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Your knew what he was doing from the.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Way you've described her. I'm like, she is supposed to
be a mom of three rowdy boys. She can handle it. Yes,
she's made for that.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I love that for her. Yeah, she thrives, I bet
because she just probably lays the law. It's her world totally,
and they're living in it. But yet they're boys, so
they're gonna buck the system and do whatever the hell
they want anyway, but it's still her world and she
gets to oversee it. That's perfect. She's living her dream
life's perfect.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
I'm so happy for her to be truly, truly, that's good.
We love her. We love her.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I'm talking about you. Are you living your dream life?
Speaker 1 (04:50):
I am so. I moved north of town.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
You were born in Louisiana, Yes, okay, yes, you went
to that. You grew up like where in Louisigay.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
We'll start from the beginning. So I grew up in Opelousas, Louisiana. Okay,
it it's right above Lafayette. And yeah, I come from
a big rodeo family, and my dad never wanted us
to rodeo.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
What did he do in the rodeo?
Speaker 1 (05:17):
He's a satur walk rider.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I just interviewed Chay Fisher, do you know? Yes, yes,
I hope y'all hang out. She hope you'll do a
duet together.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I would love that. Y'all don't hang out as much
as we should.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
We live in different places. One of your fathers and busy, yeah, af.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Yeah, she's offered me to stay at her place a bunch.
But I have family right down the road, so I
just typically stay with them when I go to Texas.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
But but, like y'all, both are like rodeo girls.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
And she is like her and her husband are just
salt of the earth yeople, and their kids are so
well mannered and sweet and outgoing.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
And yeah that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, great people.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Okay, so what did you do in the rodeo?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I tied goats and robed calves.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Mm hmmkay and Audio, yes you were. Yeah, how do
you become the rodeo queen?
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Well you have to, you know, I want to do
it number one.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Okay, So you wanted it, Yeah, you're like that has
my name all over it.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Yes, So I wanted all the rhinestones, and I wanted
all of the pink leather outfits and the curls and
all the extra ness.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I wanted it. Okay, have you been extra your whole life?
Speaker 1 (06:25):
I think so. I think so. I feel like I've
tamed down a bit. I don't know. I go back
and forth. But like I as a kid, like my
horses had like hot pink saddle blankets and like matching
hot pink you know, bell bottoms and like not bel bombs,
the little cuffs that you I've been out of it's
(06:46):
for so long. But anyway, the little ankle warmer bracing. Yes,
And so I was just like hot pink everything, and
my sister like complete opposite.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
You know.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
It was like if she hated it, then I knew
I was doing something good. So I don't know, I'm
talking on my sister day. It's on her.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Break, but we already needed to say decide. She's living
her dream life and she'sing she is.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
And she's doing a great job. And I wish I
could be half the mom that she is, because.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
It's all we are both the perch moms for your situation.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I think you literally are like matched, you know, like
you like God knows what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
I think so. I think so, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, Okay, so you wanted all the pink? Your sister said, no,
how did you you started? Who do you? Who votes
for you? For the queen?
Speaker 1 (07:31):
So there's a panel of judges, okay, and so it's.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Like to go before the panel and and state your
case for being queen.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
So you have to give a speech in front of
the panel, and yes, what did you say?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Like what were you going to promise as the queen?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Think that my like my first speech was about like
my boots and like how I like related to my
It's kind of like writing songs. It's like expressing yourself
through words, you know. But it was a speech and
I had help. But yeah, I don't know why I
wanted to do it. I just did. Why not?
Speaker 2 (08:07):
And so you've never had stage fright or been in
front are scared of being in front of people? You've
wanted to be in front of people, like you know,
some people would rather die, but in front of people.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I don't know. I live a very conflicted life.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
What's the conflict?
Speaker 1 (08:21):
I don't know, Like I have like the inner desire
to be in front of people, but then the like
the thing inside me that like tells me I'm not
good enough? Is like, you know, there's the imposter syndrome
and the like I shouldn't be the one doing this?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Why shouldn't you? I don't know, just what's the reasons
that you shouldn't be the one?
Speaker 1 (08:38):
The thing like, will I ever measure up like that
thing that I wrestle with all the time, like that
little monster that lives inside of your head?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Isn't it funny? Because whoever you think you have to
measure up to? Which I'm not going to ask you
because I know that's like our deepest darkest secret. Sure,
But it's like I have a little bit of a
panel in my head that I run things by. It's
like Summer family members. Some are celebrities you don't know
I exist, right, Some are people that like are I
just like find very inspiring and living an incredible life.
(09:08):
And it's like I run through my decisions through this panel.
Is that crazy? And it's like am I good enough?
Can I do this? Am I? But it's also like
would they approve?
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I don't even know I'm thinking about it exactly? Do
you do that? Yeah? Brains are weird. Isn't that funny?
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Because like the panel's not real, those people don't care,
but yet we can let it hold us back from something.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah. Absolutely, I have this like just doing simple tasks
sometimes I'm like, you know, oh well I can't. I
can't start that because what if I like don't finish
it or I can't do it perfect, then I'm going
to do this other thing. If you want me to
do something, like give me something else that's like a
way scarier thing, and I'll get the other thing done,
(09:50):
you know what I mean? Like I have to like
trick myself in that way. But we've worked through a
lot of that sometimes.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
How have we worked through it?
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Just in therapy?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Don'd you love therapy?
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I've been in therapy for a long time.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
It's great.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
When'd you start and why'd you start?
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Well? I started four years ago. I found it. I
found Jesus.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
And how did you find Jesus? So you didn't have
Jesus before?
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Well, I feel like I did, But it wasn't like
I don't know it. It never really like clicked for me.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Like it wasn't like your own Really.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
It wasn't my own decision.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
You were just in the system of Jesus by growing
up in it.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah, I guess that.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Was great and I feel like I had him in
my heart, but like I don't know, just.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Your own personal relationship, my own light bulb moment and
get that.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
And I did, and I got it, and you get it?
How'd you get it? Well? I was on a turkey hunt. Yeah,
I was on a turkey hunt.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
And I love that you hunt.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I don't, Oh, I do not.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
You're not a hunter. No a turkey hunt.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
That great question. Uh do you know Mary O'Neil from
the country outdoor show, Well, Well, she hosts a show
on the Outdoor Channel and she takes country music artists
out hunting and asked me to go, and I was
like sure, And so I went on my first turkey
hunt and I did not. Okay, I did not.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
I did not, But you got Jesus.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
I found Jesus how.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
It's just like a weird time. And I had a
lot going on, just like being really hard on myself,
and I was sleeping like ten hours and never feeling rested.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Was that like the season of a breakup and then
country music telling you you're never going to be a
country artist? I saw you post about that. How like
executives like you're never gonna make you might as well
try to be an astronaut? Was it that season?
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I think so. I think a lot of that was
going on. And I just met my fiance and I like,
he has such a good heart and such a good soul,
and I just didn't feel good enough for him. Like
I knew I wanted to be with him, but I
I didn't feel like I was good enough for him.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Why did you feel like you weren't good enough? Because
you're I can tell you already a really sweet, outgoing
driven person with a good heart and attention. So what
made you feel like you weren't worthy?
Speaker 1 (12:11):
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
I struggled without my whole life.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
I have no idea. I have no clue, but I
just I was like, I just really did not feel
worthy of him and his beautiful soul and.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
You felt like your soul was not good enough?
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Yeah, okay, yeah. I was just struggling with that. And
Mo Pitney was on that trip and there was just
there was just a moment and he was like, Kylie
is like, I just feel like the Lord's telling me
to tell you to shake the chains of everything anyone
has ever told you who you are? And Mo Pitney
(12:45):
said this to you and figure out who you are
and him and it wrecked me in the best way possible.
And I got back to Nashville and I saw Joe
and he's like, here's my fiance okay. And he was like,
what is going on with you? And I was like,
what do you mean? And he was like, your color
(13:07):
is different. I was like, I think I found Jesus.
And he's like and he just starts smiling from ear
to ear. He was like, I'd like to hear about that.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
So anyway, Yeah, that's awesome. But then it was just
kind of were you hoping to find Jesus? Were you
looking for something to change? Were you at a breaking point?
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I think I was at a breaking point. Yeah. I
had had a few things happened to me before that,
like just kind of like there's like this like weird
stalker situation and then like another situation, and so it
(13:47):
was just I don't know I was at a breaking point.
I was.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
And had you started having success in country music? Yeah,
I still don't.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Feel like I've had.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Success and got twelve number ones on Texas radio?
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Right, Yes?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Is that I'm from Texas. That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
It is awesome. Great, Im So do you love WADEO?
I love Wade Bower.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
His sister's my best friend and I grew up with
Wade and I like love that he's like the king
of Texas. He and like Randy Rogers, right, and who
else is like? And I'm like, how cool that he's
in Like the rat pack that are running it. I
think that's so awesome.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
They're just starling and they're great and there.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
They represent Texas music so well, like it makes it
when I hear them I'm like, oh, Texas has such
a style, so be proud of those twelve number ones
because Texas is like, but it's such a cool style.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
But then I look at like the streaming numbers and
I'm like, okay, well those aren't up to standard, and
like you know, all the social media and every such.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
A it's just it's so it's such a beatdown.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
It's it is a beat down.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
It's a total beatdown.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
And I think I was looking to find like my worth.
I get that through my career.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
You're not alone.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
And by the way, you're very not alone in that,
I think maybe, and that's why we all start doing it.
And then I don't know, just working through like not
putting my worth into my career.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
It's very hard to do. That's very very very very
very hard to do.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
I still struggle with it well.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
And this career takes everything, like you can't just like
clock in and clock out exactly if you think about
all the time. Your husband has to be totally on
board with it, your kid has to be on board.
This is your world, you know, like that everyone's living
in and they're their own people. But like it has
to be. It's such an marriage an artist. I was
an artist. Like it's all consuming and you're either like
made for it or you're not, because if you're not
(15:38):
made for it, this is a torturous existence.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Yeah, exactly. You have to be okay with it exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Or else like you just will hate your life.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Yeah, yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
But I'm okay with it for some reason. I'm okay
with it, and you're with it, and your husband's okay
with it? What what's his story?
Speaker 1 (16:02):
You know, he's great. So I hired him to play bass,
and I was trying to hire him to play guitar,
but I needed a bass player more, and so I
was like, hey, i've seen you play bass before, Like
could you play bass? And he's like sure, So he
came on play bass, and then we made out, and
(16:27):
then I graduated him to a guitar player.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
And is he still your guitar player?
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Yes, he's he's got like a corporate job now, but
he's he's still my guy and he records with me
and and does all the things. Yeah, we found out
we were pregnant on our three year anniversary. So are you.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Trying a surprised No?
Speaker 1 (16:47):
No, no, no. We were both like so cool with
not having kids like ever, yeah, really, yeah, we were
both like cool aunt and uncle, Like he's got five sisters,
like pretty much most of them have babies. And then
you know, my sister's got her three kids, my brother
has kids, Like no pressure on either one of us
(17:08):
to the.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Kid check box has been checked.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Yeah, so yeah, we both like really we're on the
same page in that department. And so then we find
out we're pregnant and it's like okay, well our world's
about to change. And he is fifteen my not Joe.
My baby is fifteen months old now, and uh, yeah,
(17:32):
it's been quite a ride.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Tell me the ride.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
It's been quite a ride.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
What has your ride been? Because I have had.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
You're getting all up in my chilil.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
You didn't know what podcast you were coming on?
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Did you? I did? I did? I did. I've been
like seeing clips of yours for years and then I
listened to do my research before I came over here,
and I was like, she just asked the question. You know,
I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
How many people have called me with the Vulnerability hangover
and they're like, can I please not air that episode?
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Fine? No, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
I think I shared too much. No, we did it.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
It's great. Yeah, yeah, I'm already sharing too much. And
so my family's gonna be like I had no idea
about that, about you and I.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
We're gonna call me and like, can I please cancel
this home?
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Right right?
Speaker 2 (18:16):
I thought I wanted to do this, but in retrospect,
a pump breaks.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
No.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
But seriously, I love to hear people's heart and souls
and like what motivates them and how they became who
they are, you know, yeah, or else like I don't
know you.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah? Yeah, you know, just it's like speed dating. I
feel like doing this podcast. I've gotten to like do
this with so many people that it's like you have this,
like you know this man where to go with someone
and you share your whole life and then you don't
really talk to him again often, but there now you
see him, it's like I really know you.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
I feel like that was songwriting.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Okay, tell them, oh, because when you're in the room,
you have to share your heart.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah. I I don't write as much as I used to,
Like I used to write like five days a week,
sometimes twice a day with everyone and their mom. You
know what, I mean, like it's just what you do
when you come here. And so I've really dialed that
back and I've I'm writing a lot more by myself
and just with like my handful of trusted people. But yeah, no,
(19:17):
when I when you meet someone for the first time
to write a song together, and there's like, well we've
both blocked out off like three to four hours of
our life and so we might as well do this.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
And I whant to get a song that connects exactly,
you have to write about something that's real exactly. So
then all of a sudden, you're like sharing your whole
life story, yes with a random stranger. Yes, yeah, yeah.
Did you ever feel like, oh shit, I said way
too much.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Oh yes, all the time, and like you feel like
right now, validating.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Validating trust because it's like I wasn't supposed to talk
about that, but like totally to write a song about it.
And now that I know, I know it's weird. Okay,
Well you have to go back to motherhood, because mother
it shook me in a way that I can't describe.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
How many kids do you have?
Speaker 2 (20:03):
One? And I've had quite a journey, Like I had
lots of miscarriages, and then before and after, and it's
like you just learned. I've learned everything about myself. I
realized I had her when I was thirty six, and
I realized that I had a self worth issue and
that I did not like I could not look in
the mirror and be like, I just love myself for
who I am. I felt like I just needed to
(20:25):
perform and to be someone, and I just wanted everyone
to love me, and if they didn't love me, I
felt like I wasn't. I just spent a lot of
time making sure I was putting the right person forward
so I would be loved, you know. And anyway, I
had Sonny and she was like two, and I was like,
there's no way I can teach her how to be
(20:45):
an independent woman who just knows her self worth if
I don't have it. And so like I went on
a journey, hired a life coach. I hired every No,
it's great because its you up.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
It is great, but you kind of into like a
black hole to do that, and I, yes, yeah, I
know the black hole.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
So I wanted to say another thing. I went to
this group of mothers. My friend Kristen Brus puts it
on wonderful. Isn't she the best?
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Oh my gosh, I haven't spent a ton of time
with her, but I met her in Preston and Key
West this past year.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yes, beautiful people, Yes, yes, pressed it from low Cash
and Kristin Brust, who's just the best, the best. Yeah. Anyway,
she's so good at connecting and she's so soulful and thoughtful.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
So she put together this group of moms and there
are probably forty moms in the room really, and it's
called Mamaya Health m A m A y A I think,
and actually any woman who is like struggling with their
brain and their life after having a kid, you should
reach out. Because everyone held this rock and we went
sent the rock around the room and we had to
explain like the traumas of motherhood and like just like
(21:56):
the beautiful part of it, but like how, like what
has happened to us? Because you are literally birthing this
human you're completely transformed. And every woman was like had
such heartbreaking stories, had such I mean, everyone of course
has so much love and they love their kids, but
like the other side just takes you down. Your hormones.
A lot of women were suicidal it's just like all
(22:17):
this stuff happens that people don't ever talk about because
you're so rocked to your core and your hormones are
so out of whack and you don't know who you
are anymore. It's really a lot, that's all. You have
to have people to talk to. And I had mom
groups and thank god, because if I wouldn't have been
able to share all this. Yeah, if you think you're
the only one, do you have people to hang out
(22:38):
with them talk to?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Okay, So I this was such a god thing. So
my very best friend in the whole world. We've been
best friends since the sixth grade. We rodeoed together. So
she and I were pregnant three weeks apart.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
I know, so y'all could lean on each other.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
So we could lean on each other. And she's in
South Louisiana, but like we talked all the time, all
the time, and it was like she kind of prepared me,
like through pregnancy, like what she was going through, and
I kind of knew what was coming, like she was
just a little ahead. Yes, yes, yep. The only downfall
of that is we couldn't be there in the room
with each other and we had our babies. So that
(23:19):
was a little sad, but now we have boys that
are like basically brothers that can grow up together. And
so so she yes, she's been my rock through this
whole thing. I've met with a couple of other like
artist moms, like Casey Tendall, who is so sweet and
(23:40):
gave me so much great advice.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
And what changed in you after everything? Okay, everything, give
me a rundown everything?
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Yeah it I so, you know, in the female artist world,
it's like you get pregnant. It's like, okay, well stick
a work in me.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
I've talked to Maddie and Tay about that. I've talked
to Runaway June about that. I've talked to so many
female artists about that.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yeah, I don't know. I do know, but it's like
we were just, I don't know, wired to believe that.
And I hope that like the next generation behind us
maybe doesn't feel that way. I think that there's a
lot of female artists right now, like at a really
(24:26):
high level like showing which I don't know, see. I
felt like it wouldn't have been as devastating if I
was further along.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
In your career. And how are we always going to
feel that way if you're always going to feel like
you should be farther along before you do this next
big thing. Yeah, okay, so you felt like you weren't
where you wanted to be exactly, Yes.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yes, So, you know, I just was like I didn't
know what my career was going to look like after
I had the baby, if I was going to have one.
You know, my parents were very supportive. My mom was like,
you've been doing this for too long. She's like, you know,
(25:08):
She's like, we're in too deep to pull out now.
Like a country music country music, Yes. And Joe's parents
they grew up on the road, six kids doing what
playing bluegrass?
Speaker 2 (25:22):
His family plays bluegrass?
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yeah, his three older sisters. Have you seen the movie
Oh Brother Areth Thou Yes?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Is that their family?
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Well, so the three older sisters were the voices for Girls, Yes,
And so they were on the tour for that movie.
They shared a bus with Emmy.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Lou And what a life experience, you know.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
And so Joe at five years old, jumped on the
bus for that tour and then after that they just
kept doing it and they just kind of lived on
the road and homeschooled and all the things. And so
what a life.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Did he love his upbringing?
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Oh my gosh, Yeah, he loved being on the road,
like he loved growing up on the road. And I
kind of grew up on the road a little bit
too with Rodeo, Like we're gone every weekend and every summer,
we're just kind of traveling. So definitely grew up on
the road. So we both kind of like have the
same mentality of like we would love to give bear
(26:21):
that bears my kid. So what was I talking.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
About talking about how everything changed?
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, so I didn't I didn't think that
I would have kids, and I didn't know what it
would look like after so I don't know, like your
whole brain just rewires.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
And yeah, you get anxiety.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yeah, I definitely got hit with the postpartum stick for sure.
For sure, I got hit with the post part of
so much weight, which was also frustrating because you don't
feel like you're in your body exactly, none of your clothes.
And then I'm just like, but.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
But then you got a baby that you've got to
keep alive that you love more than anything. But you're like,
you're literally you just sacrifice yourself for a while. You
just have to. It's hard not to.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yeah, yeah, literally, Yeah, we're like a year and a
half past having a kid, and I'm just now got
back to my pre baby.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Wait, it's takes me two years to mentally get back
there too.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
I feel like I'm just now starting to get back
to feelings. I think it takes like years myself, but
like an elevated version of myself, because now you've don't
take any ship version.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Of you have time, and you have this kid that
you can't f around with anymore. You know, you can't
e around find out. I mean I would say the word,
but for some reason, I feel like I need to
censory around talking about your kid.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
You don't want to kids cussing already. And my father
in law is a pastor, and I'm just like, you
should probably tuck it in a little bit.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Oh my god, I know a kid. You just don't
have time, and you can't waste your time, especially when
you're building your career, because it's like you have to
give so much of your time to your career. Yes,
and that's taking away from time with your kid.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
So if it's not like of utmost importance, you're not
doing it. You can't just go do something, you know,
I used to just do stuff all the time. Anything
that would just like help me.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Isn't that crazy? I do stuff all the time, Like
I live by myself in a one bedroom apartment. I
could go to the bar on a Tuesday night, and
why would you not? Why would you not? Why would
you not? Did literally whatever I wanted, And he's so
thankful I got. I got to do that. But I
never thought that there would be a world where I
didn't get to do that once I experienced that freedom.
(28:36):
So so it's an altercation, Yeah, it is, it is.
But it did surprise me how much I love motherhood,
as hard of a time as it can be. Sometimes,
like I didn't realize that I could love something so much.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
It's wild.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Yeah, it's like your heart grows to sizes.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
It does.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah, so do your waistline. But have officially dropped my
Oh my gosh, fun even now, goodness, we're gonna. I
don't want to get a boob job.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
I've never wanted to get a boob job. I don't
want to put plastic or whatever still gonna in my body.
I love what boot doobs look like, but I just
don't want it, and I don't want foreign stuff in
my body. Probably what am I gonna do?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
I know, I know I'm out of options.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
They're not terrible, they've done me well, but I'm like,
girls need a little love help.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yeah, yeah, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 2 (29:40):
What are we gonna do?
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Who knows?
Speaker 2 (29:41):
I like your boops look great?
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Thanks? Thanks, I feel like your boobs look great.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
I mean they're they're hanging in there. I just don't care.
Have you found that out? Like you just don't care
about stuff anymore? Yeah, Like I used to take all
sorts of things to seriously. I know you said you
take stuff seriously, but like, yeah, there's a lot of
stuff you just can't care about.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I do love that part about it, Like like even
when I was pregnant, I started to feel that way
of like you know, when like just silly things were
happening and people were upset about little tiny things, and
I'm just like, you have no idea. Yeah, I'm growing
a whole human right now, and I do not have
(30:26):
time for your feelings, like you're allowed to have them,
but like that's on you, like I didn't.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah, not my job to solve your problems. Yeah, I
used to really invest in people's issues too, like so much. Yeah,
and that's why I started this podcast, is because I
want to know everything and I want to hear it,
and then let's figure out a way to heal, yes,
because then we all need to heal. I used to
do that all the time with everyone, and now I'm like,
I just can't.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Yeah, and I don't know, like for so my job
to save someone's you know, your job, And it's like,
I think our job is just to.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Love people totally and show is your best self.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Yes, and to just like I don't know if you
feel this, but I feel like I have empathy. Like
I thought that I was a very empathetic person before
I had my baby, but now, oh my gosh, like
I yeah, my empathy cup is like twice as big now.
But also in a way that I'm like, you got
(31:20):
to deal with that in your own time, and I'm
just gonna I'm just gonna pray for you in the
meantime because nothing I can do can fix it and
I don't have the time to so. But I feel
for you, I really feel for you. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Yeah, I've kind of gotten to the place where I
feel like I'm just like more in alignment now because
I used to just be so overwhelmed by feelings and
I used to be so overwhelmed by like wanting everyone
to love me and all these things, and now having sunny,
I'm like, Okay, I have to make sure thank you
so cute. Like I have to make sure I'm being
as emotionally stable as I possibly can be, because like
(31:53):
I'm looking at teaching you and for me to be
an insane person, I'm not gonna do that. So it's
like I have to work so hard to stay centered,
and that's actually very hard for me because like I
have been an emotional wreck my whole life. So she
has like been my north star. And I'm like, okay,
I can't like care about everything. You can have empathy,
but you can only do what you personally totally can
(32:16):
do in your life.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Totally.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
You can't save the whole world. It's not your job.
It's too much to like comprehend it, and it will
make you feel terrible if you like stress about it
all the time. So you just have to stay focused
on your lane. Yep. And that's what like music too, right,
it is it is.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
I had an instance was that yesterday or maybe day
before this, day before, but it was like I was
just staying home with Bear that day and you know,
something happened where I was, you know, a team member.
I'm moving on, Like people take their business elsewhere all
the time, Like it's life, it's business, and somebody has
(32:50):
just given me absolute hell over it. And I normally
would have just worked myself into a rage fit, but
I was like, this is not worth my time or
my energy right now, and.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
For wrecking your nervous system exactly. So then you put
that on your kid exactly, Like they don't deserve for
you to have a wrecked nervous systems, Like why would
I give them that privilege of taking my life force?
You know? Yeah, absolutely, But it's like such a mental game. Yeah,
don't you feel like motherhoods so mental it is. I'm
like mentally having to think about stuff all the time,
like how am I reacting? Okay, this triggered something, but
(33:24):
like I have to react differently than I would and
I've found myself to have a lot of patience. Yeah,
but like I have had to train myself for that.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
That plus, like on top of all of the things,
like the task that you have to do and like
the running checklist in your brain. Oh, like yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
How do you how do you manage it with music now?
Because you weren't expecting it one day a time? How
what does your work life balance look like?
Speaker 1 (33:52):
You know what?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
And recording an album? And this is a very personal
EP for you? Talk about it?
Speaker 1 (33:57):
So am I put out the EP.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Now we've got the album.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
And I'm gonna I'm about to record an album.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Yes, with this EP and included Nope, You're doing a
whole new album.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Starting from scratch. It's gonna have a lot of themes
of motherhood. It's gonna be all up in my Chili?
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Can you write a song called all my Chili?
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Probably I'm gonna have to because I'm taking too seriously
in this album.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
But yeah, no, my Chili. I need to use that
in my life. You should coin.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Did get all up in the Chili?
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Okay? And good? It's good.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
It's good, and I'm really glad that I did.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
And do you feel nervous that people are gonna hear?
So nervous like your diary entry.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
So nervous, Like I'm avoiding even starting it because I'm
so nervous because I don't know. I just feel like
it's a lot easier to just put out like a
hockey talk drink and song like what I've got out
right now. But it's doing super well. And and you
have it with Randall King Yes, fort Worth Yes. And
I'm like, let's do my dance, let's do all this
fine stuff. And you know with this next music, I'm like,
(35:00):
this is very personal and I'm letting a lot of
strange I'll be letting a lot of strangers in on
on a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
And I think you're being very vulnerable, yes, in a
way that.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
I've never done before, which I'm very proud of because
it was very hard to do. But also like you
open yourself up to people's opinions. And also it's like,
as much as I don't want to like put all
of myself out there for people to see, I do
(35:35):
and what if what if they don't like it? You know,
but it'll be good. I don't know yet, Okay, I
don't know yet.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Have you written all the songs? Are you still writing?
Speaker 1 (35:57):
I don't know yet.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
We don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Do we know about I don't know.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
I do know that I'm about to go in the studio,
and I'm gonna start off with six songs, and I.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
You've written the six songs?
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Yeah, yeah, I've written a lot, but I know the
six that I'm gonna start off with.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Why did you pick these six?
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Well, I don't know. I just had a gut feeling
that two of the songs I needed to like those
were like the flagship songs. And one of them is
called the Problem, and it's sometimes I miss being the problem.
Sometimes sometimes I miss being the problem. Sometimes I miss
(36:37):
the drama. It's just about like, you know, like I
just kind of missed my drinking days and just could
do whatever I want when whenever I wanted, and but
also loving my life now and so that one. And
then there's a song called Laundry and the Dishes that
I wrote by myself. It was like the first song
that I wrote after I had Bear and.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Please tell me what about?
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Yeah, So it's a it's written in third person, but
it's it's just about the woman who, like the hook
is so okay. It starts out with like her and
like her birthday cake on, like her thirty fourth birthday,
and like the chorus is like her just closing her
(37:23):
eyes and wishing that her life could feel like more
than the laundry and the dishes and so. But then
also like just putting on a smile for her family
and like you know, all of that. And then I
also have a song about infertility.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Would you struggle with that?
Speaker 1 (37:39):
No?
Speaker 2 (37:40):
I did not, but obviously you were surprised.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Yeah, but I have a friend that does it, like
a close friend, and I knew that she had been
trying for years, and here.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
I am just getting pregnant, getting pregnant without wanting it. Yes, grateful,
but like yes, yeah, totally. It's like what's the irony
in that?
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Yeah? And so like a really really cool song fell
out of that moment.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
And it's really you know, wait, that's needed, that's not
I think. So I've struggled with infertility. I had so
many miscarriages, and it's like people have been so afraid
to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Yeah, and what's hard through It's like, you know, I
get I've never been through that, but if I had,
maybe I don't know that I would want to talk
about it. But also I don't know. I I think
just putting it out there in an art form just
to make someone feel at less alone?
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Is it like the contrast of you getting pregnant and
her not, Like, is that the story?
Speaker 1 (38:34):
It's them just like sitting down for dinner and just talking,
just kind of complaining about motherhood and then recognizing like
the look on your friend's face of like, oh, no,
I'm living on a prayer. She's she's living on a
prayer and I'm living her dream. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's
(38:55):
so it's heavy stuff. It's heavy stuff. But I'm like,
how heavy can put a line dance to that? You know,
not this song, not that song, not that song.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
So but also like you know, that's such a real conversation.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
It's a real conversation. And I've really like allowed myself
to like not think about anything other than like the
songs that have just popped into my head like they
can to you, yes, like divinely yes, and I've it's
against my nature, but like just not focusing on a checklist.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
You're just letting the real songs come in. Yeah, that's faith.
That's an act of faith. It's it is, Yeah, and
that's hard because you have to break old habits where
you just want to reach for the low hanging fruit. Yeah,
you write the awesome song that totally isn't talking about
your deepest, darkest, totally most vulnerable pieces.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Totally.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Yeah, good for you.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Thanks. I can't say that I've like fully you know,
leaned in and been the best vessel through all of it.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
But you did it, but you accept it.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
I feel like I'm still doing it and I'm yeah,
but it's it's fun and it's like, Okay, well, you know,
I'm thirty years old and I'm a mom and I
know flat thirty.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Yeah, like how young you are and have done so
many wonderful things.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Yeah, thank you, thank you. I forget about that. I
forget about my wonderful team made a slide show for
me for our year in meeting and they were like,
look at all the things that you've done this year,
and it's like this year was like I've done by
far the least amount of things, like since I got
on the road like five or six years ago, like
(40:44):
you know, as far as like going places and just
running and gunning, but also I did some like really
big things, and you forget about that. You know. It's
always like onto the next, onto the next one, like.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
And most importantly you have time for your son. Yeah,
and I was talking to Maddie, my content theater who's here,
and it's like, literally, I don't want to be busy
right now, yep, in this season of my life because
if I'm busy, I'm not with my daughter, you know.
And I just don't want to be busy. And so
if I'm busy, it's because it really.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Matters totally, absolutely, Yes, Yes, that's what I love about motherhood. Yeah,
you just like become like, I don't know, just such.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
A sniper, I guess, so just like of with your time.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
It's like, yeah, I don't know, it's really cool. Also,
when I like first got pregnant, I was in Key
West and I opened up for Dina Carter and I
like hardly told anyone at this time, and like I
was asking her. I was like, did you have any kids?
Like what you know, what was your like personal life like?
(41:47):
And she's like yeah, She's like I had one son.
His name was Hayes, which is my best friend's baby's name.
And she's like, wait a minute, do you have kids?
And I was like, well, nobody knows, but yes, I'm
pregnant right now. And she was like, oh my gosh.
She's like no, wonder you're just glowing. And she just
like grabbed my arm and she's like, if I could
(42:07):
just tell you one thing, she said, just keep them
with you, she said, I always just passed my son off,
and I just I wish I had just kept him
with me more. He wasn't in the way.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
And I know, I know, I know she's so right.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
I know she's so right. She's so right. Sometimes, like
I've gone to like writers around and stuff brought him
and like good, you know, it's being a hippie mom.
And I bring her glass bottles and like we broke
a glass bottle at the songwriter around and I'm like
so embarrassed, but I okay. Like like friends of mine
who have babies, they are like I can't believe you
just brought your baby, Like I need to do that,
like just bring they.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Want to everyone wants to the other baby. Yeah, you know.
I mean there's times obviously where you want your little
me time and a break, and so I feel like
your instinct is to be with them, yep. And society
has this like just taking them away from us, I know,
and I love that.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
And I have a wonderful team now. And like I
played a gig this past weekend and brought, yeah, brought,
and Miranda was just running around with him the whole time,
taking him to see Santa Claus, Like Miranda mom and
dad were singing, that's the best.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Yeah, and then bereagus have this awesome life on the
road with other amazing people that he gets to know,
like family and like be with y'all. Yeah, it feels harder,
but it's like pick your heart, you.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Know, exactly exactly. I'm like, this is gonna be hard
no matter which way I spin it, So.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Pick a hard that you at least, yeah, don't have
that rip in.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Your heart exactly. And I just like, I think God
for it happening to me, because I would have never
chosen it for myself.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
You had to make it work. And shout out to
all those hard working men and women who can't be
with their kids because their jobs don't allow. So it's like,
you know, if you can finaggle it, yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
I saw. I wanted to talk about this because I
saw the stay at the gym. I went to the
gym and I was working out. I was in the
locker room, and I love this locker room because there
are naked women everywhere. Love it. And it is like
women who are like seventy years old and talk about
feeling like you have saggy booth. But they're just loud
and proud and mad and like walking around putting all lotion,
like in the sink area, lifting up their legs, like
(44:06):
putting all lotion. And I'm like, hell, yes, please be
this free with yourself. And this one woman, she was
probably sixty five seventy, and she had like some bruises
because she had had like some sort of procedure down herself. Okay,
but she was like, y'all don't even know this, but
like she's like, it's your lucky day. I'm about to
be in the buff and I don't even care what
anybody thinks. She's walking strutting from the locker room to
(44:28):
the hot tubs, sitting in there naked. Perfect. I'm like,
that is so great. So today I saw this woman
and she was probably like young thirty, low thirties. Yeah,
she was pumping, she was sweating from her workout, and
she had her laptop out and she was like returning
work emails and I was like, oh my god, I'm
like I just want you to know, you are my
superhero right now. The fact that you were like doing
(44:50):
all of this and I'm sure her kids at the
childcare next door, I mean, it brings here to my eyes.
I'm like, women are freaking amazing.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
I know, right you burn kid, You're like, no, women
can do do anything anything.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
Yes, But I was like, if that is not a
picture of motherhood, Like two milk bottles, you've got a laptop,
you're sweating because you're at the gym, and you're just
like fitting it in.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
I was like, you are amazing, so great, amazing. Women
are incredible. So it's awesome. And you know what I
shan't you know, I don't think anyone ever figures it
out or ever has it. I'm learning that no one
feels secure. You can have false security, but like, what
are we secure. We're floating on a rock in the
middle of sure galaxy. We're all going to die. What
is any of this anyway?
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Yeah, just do the best you've given and enjoy life
and love people, and.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
It's happy ever after, Happy ever after. Okay, Well, I'm
gonna I want to wrap up a little bit, but
I want to get to tell me about your last album,
How did that make you feel? How is that songs?
How is being like? How is it being the queen
of Texas music? Because I feel like you are the queen.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
I feel like maybe I'm the princess.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Okay, here's the queen. My dear friend Freebag, she's the
Queen of Texas.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
She's I don't know. Her and Sonny Sweeney have like.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Soney Sweety's the Queen of Texas. Yeah, because you know,
Sonny Sweeney came to Nashville and she did the Nashville thing.
But like, I just love that she was like, peace out,
I'm back in Texas. So she's the Queen of Texas.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Yeah, I think so yay. Yeah, So I think maybe
Sonny's the queen, and then three is maybe the princess,
and then I am just the person that's lucky to
just be in their presence sometimes. No, I love that.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
So is the Texas community tight?
Speaker 1 (46:31):
It is? It's kind of you know, it's a little
hard for like females to break through in it just
like you know, the same old thing. But also like
I don't know, it takes a long time to like
really feel a part of the community.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
But like Texas don't just let you come in, no,
which is awesome. I love that about Texas. Yeah, and
well once you're in though.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Yeah, I told this story the other day. But like
I did America Scott Talent a couple of years ago
and it was fine, you know. And my episode, let
me what am I trying to say here? My episode
aired when I was in Mexico for Casey Donnah's Boots
(47:12):
on the Beach, and so it was Casey, Randy Rogers,
Pat Green, Wade Bowen, who, oh, Randy Hauser was there. Yeah,
Randy Haser.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
He's kind of come to Texas, hasn't he.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
I think so? I think so love that.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Yeah, he's so good.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
He's amazing.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
My favorite voice is incredible.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
And so I you know, I just I told all
of them. Oh, Josh Abbitt was also there too, and
who I was missing one? I told all of them.
I was like, hey, guys, like, you know, like the
VAP Lounge, like it has a big TV. Like I'm
gonna put my episode on like if y'all can make it,
like no big deal, like no pressure like whatever, just
trying to play cool. And they all showed up, and
(47:51):
they all showed up.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
And they cheered for me, and uh.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
Pat Green brought saviche and he like had just like
caught a tune of that day on the boat and
he had like the chef just fix it up and
he brought it to the party with two bottles of
champagne and it was just it was so sweet. My
criand was there too, Yeah, so yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Just Texas goes hard. I love the little Texas community.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
I know, like America's got talent. And they just showed
up and they didn't have to, they didn't have to
take a shower one hour earlier than they were supposed to.
They get to just stayed in the sun and they didn't.
And I thought that was very sweet.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
I know, I know what showing up for people really matters.
It does, It really does. Yeah, people think it doesn't matter,
but it really does. And here it doesn't matter if
you don't do it, but when you do it, it matters.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
I forget to ask, and that it's okay to ask,
Like in that moment, if I wouldn't have would have
never said anything, they wouldn't have known. And not that
they didn't want to show for me, they just wouldn't
have known. And so yeah, I forget to like.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
Let people experience the joy too, Yes, because you also
forget that that's a joyful experience for them. You know,
everyone's gathering. It's so fun to have a reason to
be together and a cheer on a friend, to all
like have a community. Yeah, I know it blesses everyone.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
Life is just so much, isn't it. It is like,
and this is great.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
You're a joy. Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
Is there anything you want to talk about that we
didn't cover? There is one thing to tell us that
I would like to I want to hear it. How
did you deal with the mom pooch?
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Or were you one of those lucky women who just
gave birth and.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
Just like snapped for a bat?
Speaker 3 (49:33):
No, no, okay, no, I've always had the mom pooch though,
you know what, I'm kind of here for the mom pooch.
I I was in yoga today, and now that I
was so great. I learned so much at yoga in
the locker room and the classes, and I was looking
around and there's all these different bodies in there, and
the thing I love about yoga is people really feel
(49:56):
confident just to like be free in themselves totally. They're
really not doing it for anyone else. Because when you
love yoga, you like love how it makes you feel
and like you're connected to your body and so like,
you know, people who are like into yoga are like
truly into it. I'm sure there's a whole subworld of
yoga that I'm just not a part of, but like
the part the yoga world on the part of And
I was looking around all these people and people are
(50:17):
just like nobody. I mean, there was this one girl
who had a perfect body, and I was like, damn,
she looks so good and I just admired her body.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
That's just perfect.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
But then everyone else, I'm like, there's mom, pooches, there's
like cell you like, people are not in the best
shape of their life.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
We're all just doing our best.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
Something sagging somewhere on everybody. This one person had perfect body,
but she had like saggy arms. But I'm like, I'm
just noticing.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
But I'm like, see, everybody has.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
Something, and it's just like I think at some point
you just have to like accept it. That's why I'm
not gonna get that boo job. I'm just gonna live
with them.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
I know, I'm just gonna live with them too, but
I'm gonna I think the mom too.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
The mom pouch is a badge of honor.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
Yeah. I think if I would have not having a
mom pooch before I had a baby, then maybe I'd
be you.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
Didn't have one before I did have one.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
I did have one. I just always been the chunky kid,
and so you have. Yes, I was way too much ice.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
Cream ice creams your uh the choice blue Belt. Oh,
it's the only kind of ice People who don't eat
Bluebell okay, And they try to like pass on some
Briars ship.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
And I'm like, no, come on, no get away with
that get away. I will say Jenny's Brambleberry Chris, Jenny's
has me on Bluebell for Jenny's has won me over.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
When I first got into Jenny's as like, your too bougie,
I know what the heck hibiscus lavender like, No, But
now I'm like, I can always get down on Jenny's. No,
it's wonderful blue Belt. Nothing's better.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
Yeah, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
I'm straight of cookie dough.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
See. I grew up doing like French vanilla with nest
Quick chocolate powder on top.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
Uh. Huh.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
Yeah, you came up with that, my grandpa and a
brilliant man. Yes, that's like I know creation. It's great.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
It's great blue velvet rid. Sometimes with chocolate powder, nest.
Speaker 1 (52:03):
Quick chocolate powder. You could do her She's powder, but
it's not the same.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
And you don't want to do the syrup. No, why not?
Speaker 1 (52:11):
It's texture thing texture. Trust me, okay, trust me.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
Okay, I trust you. I feel like you would not
lead me astray.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
Trust me, trust these hips. Okay, all right.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
You have a great, beautiful body. Thank you, hilarious, thank you,
thank you. Okay, So the album coming on next year? Yes,
you got to single out for it? Worth right now?
Speaker 1 (52:32):
Yes with Randall King.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
You are the princess of Texas, which I love, and
we just can we can get your EP that's out. Now.
What's something called again, It's called half of mind. And
if you want a line dance that's your one. Ye,
get your line and then next year, get ready to
feel the feelings and cry. Yes, i'd your scream ready
for pronection, your ice cream pronection year.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
I can't screaming wine.
Speaker 2 (52:56):
Okay, I'm excited. That's good. That's a good combo. Okay,
thank you so much for tell me where everyone can
find you.
Speaker 1 (53:02):
At Kyliefried dot com and Kylie french Fried and all
the socials.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
I love it so much.
Speaker 3 (53:07):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
Well you stick around for quick just like, draw some
questions and answer them. It's gonna be deeper than this,
because I'm sure you're looking forward.
Speaker 1 (53:12):
To that, but yeah, let's just.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
Yes, okay, Kylie Frye, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
Bye,
Carl Line. She's a queen and talking and so she's
getting really not afraid to feel its episode, so just
let it flow. No one can do we quiet carey
lone is sound for care lound?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Okay, I'm here with Haylie French bride not French though,
I just fried actually, so it's for real. So it's
for real and for fun for real? Is that kind
of how you describe yourself for real and for fun?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
You know? I should? I should?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
What do you take seriously about that?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I like, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I just internalize, Like what are you analyzing when you're analyzing?
Are you analyzing like your appearance? Are you analyzing your performance?
Are you analyzing your uh? The way people perceive you things?
Is that artists mentality?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
I think it is.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Are you a people pleaser? Yes?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yes, order And I'm middle child?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Oh is middle child? Send him real?
Speaker 1 (01:08):
It's real?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
So what does that mean exactly?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I think that we're like the best. I think I
think we're fun. I always say that I'm the what
is it the icing in the middle of the oreo
cookie mm hmm, But you do tend to be like
the peanut butter in the middle of like the not
so great sandwiches sometimes, Okay, explain that the peacekeeper.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
So like, did you're younger and older argue.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Well, so my sister is just a different breed.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
What kind of reed is she?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
She just does not she cares, but like, especially as
a kid, like it was her world and we were
living in it, and she's gonna she's gonna beat me
after she says this.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
But we fought a lot and you're trying to get
your own world going. You're like, I'm not gonna be
in your world.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I have my own world. And she was like skinny
and athletic and pretty, and I was just like the
frumpy kid that loved ice cream and had a lot
of feelings. And she would yell at me when I
played guitar too loud, and you know, all the things,
all the things. But we're very good friends now. But yeah,
(02:19):
so she just kind of didn't care, and my younger
brother also kind of didn't care. And also so it
was just like I felt like I was the peacekeeper
a lot of the time until I had enough and
then we would do it out.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Fight. Oh yeah, you would fist fight. Oh yeah, if
you punch, you throw a punch. Like with your sister,
we would full hair.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
It's her birthday to day and I posted on Instagram
this morning, I was like, happy birthday, Caitlyn. I'm so
glad we don't pull each other's hair out anymore.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, yeah, that's good. Yeah, Like what would cause a
fist to fly?
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Who knows?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Okay, you normally started the fights.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Probably and you were tired of living in her world.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah, we love her. We will say this with all
the love.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
We love her. But I take sure she'd have a
lot to say if she were here now.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Sure, of course, you can't live with someone for eighteen
years every day of your life and share bathrooms and
share sleeping spaces, and share food and have to share
parents and schedules and feelings. You can't live with someone
and not have a feeling about it.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Exactly. We had to share a room until I think
we were I think ten. I think I was ten
and she was twelve or something.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Like what life lessons did you get from sharing the room?
Speaker 1 (03:35):
She would take painter's tape and like from like the
top of the wall, like almost to the ceiling, she
would like literally divide our room, like wait, this is
my side, that is your side, and the only way
that you can cross over is to go to the closet.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
So y'all weren't the kind of sisters that were just
like Besty, Besty, bestie, I love you, love you my
sister and I really weren't like that either.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
No, like we are now. I have a really great relationship.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Now she'll have to go to therapy and talk through
your childhood.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
I've gone to therapy and talked through my childhood for
the last four years. And I don't know about her,
but she just Yeah, she's a mama three boys and
just rocks it.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
She was ready for that though she was she I
can just.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Your knew what he was doing from the.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Way you've described her. I'm like, she is supposed to
be a mom of three rowdy boys. She can handle it. Yes,
she's made for that.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I love that for her. Yeah, she thrives, I bet
because she just probably lays the law. It's her world totally,
and they're living in it. But yet they're boys, so
they're gonna buck the system and do whatever the hell
they want anyway, but it's still her world and she
gets to oversee it. That's perfect. She's living her dream
life's perfect.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
I'm so happy for her to be truly, truly, that's good.
We love her. We love her.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I'm talking about you. Are you living your dream life?
Speaker 1 (04:50):
I am so. I moved north of town.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
You were born in Louisiana, Yes, okay, yes, you went
to that. You grew up like where in Louisigay.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
We'll start from the beginning. So I grew up in Opelousas, Louisiana. Okay,
it it's right above Lafayette. And yeah, I come from
a big rodeo family, and my dad never wanted us
to rodeo.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
What did he do in the rodeo?
Speaker 1 (05:17):
He's a satur walk rider.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I just interviewed Chay Fisher, do you know? Yes, yes,
I hope y'all hang out. She hope you'll do a
duet together.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I would love that. Y'all don't hang out as much
as we should.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
We live in different places. One of your fathers and busy, yeah, af.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Yeah, she's offered me to stay at her place a bunch.
But I have family right down the road, so I
just typically stay with them when I go to Texas.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
But but, like y'all, both are like rodeo girls.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
And she is like her and her husband are just
salt of the earth yeople, and their kids are so
well mannered and sweet and outgoing.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
And yeah that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, great people.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Okay, so what did you do in the rodeo?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I tied goats and robed calves.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Mm hmmkay and Audio, yes you were. Yeah, how do
you become the rodeo queen?
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Well you have to, you know, I want to do
it number one.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Okay, So you wanted it, Yeah, you're like that has
my name all over it.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Yes, So I wanted all the rhinestones, and I wanted
all of the pink leather outfits and the curls and
all the extra ness.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I wanted it. Okay, have you been extra your whole life?
Speaker 1 (06:25):
I think so. I think so. I feel like I've
tamed down a bit. I don't know. I go back
and forth. But like I as a kid, like my
horses had like hot pink saddle blankets and like matching
hot pink you know, bell bottoms and like not bel bombs,
the little cuffs that you I've been out of it's
(06:46):
for so long. But anyway, the little ankle warmer bracing. Yes,
And so I was just like hot pink everything, and
my sister like complete opposite.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
You know.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
It was like if she hated it, then I knew
I was doing something good. So I don't know, I'm
talking on my sister day. It's on her.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Break, but we already needed to say decide. She's living
her dream life and she'sing she is.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
And she's doing a great job. And I wish I
could be half the mom that she is, because.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
It's all we are both the perch moms for your situation.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I think you literally are like matched, you know, like
you like God knows what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
I think so. I think so, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, Okay, so you wanted all the pink? Your sister said, no,
how did you you started? Who do you? Who votes
for you? For the queen?
Speaker 1 (07:31):
So there's a panel of judges, okay, and so it's.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Like to go before the panel and and state your
case for being queen.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
So you have to give a speech in front of
the panel, and yes, what did you say?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Like what were you going to promise as the queen?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Think that my like my first speech was about like
my boots and like how I like related to my
It's kind of like writing songs. It's like expressing yourself
through words, you know. But it was a speech and
I had help. But yeah, I don't know why I
wanted to do it. I just did. Why not?
Speaker 2 (08:07):
And so you've never had stage fright or been in
front are scared of being in front of people? You've
wanted to be in front of people, like you know,
some people would rather die, but in front of people.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I don't know. I live a very conflicted life.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
What's the conflict?
Speaker 1 (08:21):
I don't know, Like I have like the inner desire
to be in front of people, but then the like
the thing inside me that like tells me I'm not
good enough? Is like, you know, there's the imposter syndrome
and the like I shouldn't be the one doing this?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Why shouldn't you? I don't know, just what's the reasons
that you shouldn't be the one?
Speaker 1 (08:38):
The thing like, will I ever measure up like that
thing that I wrestle with all the time, like that
little monster that lives inside of your head?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Isn't it funny? Because whoever you think you have to
measure up to? Which I'm not going to ask you
because I know that's like our deepest darkest secret. Sure,
But it's like I have a little bit of a
panel in my head that I run things by. It's
like Summer family members. Some are celebrities you don't know
I exist, right, Some are people that like are I
just like find very inspiring and living an incredible life.
(09:08):
And it's like I run through my decisions through this panel.
Is that crazy? And it's like am I good enough?
Can I do this? Am I? But it's also like
would they approve?
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I don't even know I'm thinking about it exactly? Do
you do that? Yeah? Brains are weird. Isn't that funny?
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Because like the panel's not real, those people don't care,
but yet we can let it hold us back from something.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah. Absolutely, I have this like just doing simple tasks
sometimes I'm like, you know, oh well I can't. I
can't start that because what if I like don't finish
it or I can't do it perfect, then I'm going
to do this other thing. If you want me to
do something, like give me something else that's like a
way scarier thing, and I'll get the other thing done,
(09:50):
you know what I mean? Like I have to like
trick myself in that way. But we've worked through a
lot of that sometimes.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
How have we worked through it?
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Just in therapy?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Don'd you love therapy?
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I've been in therapy for a long time.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
It's great.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
When'd you start and why'd you start?
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Well? I started four years ago. I found it. I
found Jesus.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
And how did you find Jesus? So you didn't have
Jesus before?
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Well, I feel like I did, But it wasn't like
I don't know it. It never really like clicked for me.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Like it wasn't like your own Really.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
It wasn't my own decision.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
You were just in the system of Jesus by growing
up in it.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah, I guess that.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Was great and I feel like I had him in
my heart, but like I don't know, just.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Your own personal relationship, my own light bulb moment and
get that.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
And I did, and I got it, and you get it?
How'd you get it? Well? I was on a turkey hunt. Yeah,
I was on a turkey hunt.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
And I love that you hunt.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I don't, Oh, I do not.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
You're not a hunter. No a turkey hunt.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
That great question. Uh do you know Mary O'Neil from
the country outdoor show, Well, Well, she hosts a show
on the Outdoor Channel and she takes country music artists
out hunting and asked me to go, and I was
like sure, And so I went on my first turkey
hunt and I did not. Okay, I did not.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
I did not, But you got Jesus.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
I found Jesus how.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
It's just like a weird time. And I had a
lot going on, just like being really hard on myself,
and I was sleeping like ten hours and never feeling rested.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Was that like the season of a breakup and then
country music telling you you're never going to be a
country artist? I saw you post about that. How like
executives like you're never gonna make you might as well
try to be an astronaut? Was it that season?
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I think so. I think a lot of that was
going on. And I just met my fiance and I like,
he has such a good heart and such a good soul,
and I just didn't feel good enough for him. Like
I knew I wanted to be with him, but I
I didn't feel like I was good enough for him.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Why did you feel like you weren't good enough? Because
you're I can tell you already a really sweet, outgoing
driven person with a good heart and attention. So what
made you feel like you weren't worthy?
Speaker 1 (12:11):
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
I struggled without my whole life.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
I have no idea. I have no clue, but I
just I was like, I just really did not feel
worthy of him and his beautiful soul and.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
You felt like your soul was not good enough?
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Yeah, okay, yeah. I was just struggling with that. And
Mo Pitney was on that trip and there was just
there was just a moment and he was like, Kylie
is like, I just feel like the Lord's telling me
to tell you to shake the chains of everything anyone
has ever told you who you are? And Mo Pitney
(12:45):
said this to you and figure out who you are
and him and it wrecked me in the best way possible.
And I got back to Nashville and I saw Joe
and he's like, here's my fiance okay. And he was like,
what is going on with you? And I was like,
what do you mean? And he was like, your color
(13:07):
is different. I was like, I think I found Jesus.
And he's like and he just starts smiling from ear
to ear. He was like, I'd like to hear about that.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
So anyway, Yeah, that's awesome. But then it was just
kind of were you hoping to find Jesus? Were you
looking for something to change? Were you at a breaking point?
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I think I was at a breaking point. Yeah. I
had had a few things happened to me before that,
like just kind of like there's like this like weird
stalker situation and then like another situation, and so it
(13:47):
was just I don't know I was at a breaking point.
I was.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
And had you started having success in country music? Yeah,
I still don't.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Feel like I've had.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Success and got twelve number ones on Texas radio?
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Right, Yes?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Is that I'm from Texas. That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
It is awesome. Great, Im So do you love WADEO?
I love Wade Bower.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
His sister's my best friend and I grew up with
Wade and I like love that he's like the king
of Texas. He and like Randy Rogers, right, and who
else is like? And I'm like, how cool that he's
in Like the rat pack that are running it. I
think that's so awesome.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
They're just starling and they're great and there.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
They represent Texas music so well, like it makes it
when I hear them I'm like, oh, Texas has such
a style, so be proud of those twelve number ones
because Texas is like, but it's such a cool style.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
But then I look at like the streaming numbers and
I'm like, okay, well those aren't up to standard, and
like you know, all the social media and every such.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
A it's just it's so it's such a beatdown.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
It's it is a beat down.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
It's a total beatdown.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
And I think I was looking to find like my worth.
I get that through my career.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
You're not alone.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
And by the way, you're very not alone in that,
I think maybe, and that's why we all start doing it.
And then I don't know, just working through like not
putting my worth into my career.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
It's very hard to do. That's very very very very
very hard to do.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
I still struggle with it well.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
And this career takes everything, like you can't just like
clock in and clock out exactly if you think about
all the time. Your husband has to be totally on
board with it, your kid has to be on board.
This is your world, you know, like that everyone's living
in and they're their own people. But like it has
to be. It's such an marriage an artist. I was
an artist. Like it's all consuming and you're either like
made for it or you're not, because if you're not
(15:38):
made for it, this is a torturous existence.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Yeah, exactly. You have to be okay with it exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Or else like you just will hate your life.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Yeah, yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
But I'm okay with it for some reason. I'm okay
with it, and you're with it, and your husband's okay
with it? What what's his story?
Speaker 1 (16:02):
You know, he's great. So I hired him to play bass,
and I was trying to hire him to play guitar,
but I needed a bass player more, and so I
was like, hey, i've seen you play bass before, Like
could you play bass? And he's like sure, So he
came on play bass, and then we made out, and
(16:27):
then I graduated him to a guitar player.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
And is he still your guitar player?
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Yes, he's he's got like a corporate job now, but
he's he's still my guy and he records with me
and and does all the things. Yeah, we found out
we were pregnant on our three year anniversary. So are you.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Trying a surprised No?
Speaker 1 (16:47):
No, no, no. We were both like so cool with
not having kids like ever, yeah, really, yeah, we were
both like cool aunt and uncle, Like he's got five sisters,
like pretty much most of them have babies. And then
you know, my sister's got her three kids, my brother
has kids, Like no pressure on either one of us
(17:08):
to the.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Kid check box has been checked.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Yeah, so yeah, we both like really we're on the
same page in that department. And so then we find
out we're pregnant and it's like okay, well our world's
about to change. And he is fifteen my not Joe.
My baby is fifteen months old now, and uh, yeah,
(17:32):
it's been quite a ride.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Tell me the ride.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
It's been quite a ride.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
What has your ride been? Because I have had.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
You're getting all up in my chilil.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
You didn't know what podcast you were coming on?
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Did you? I did? I did? I did. I've been
like seeing clips of yours for years and then I
listened to do my research before I came over here,
and I was like, she just asked the question. You know,
I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
How many people have called me with the Vulnerability hangover
and they're like, can I please not air that episode?
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Fine? No, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
I think I shared too much. No, we did it.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
It's great. Yeah, yeah, I'm already sharing too much. And
so my family's gonna be like I had no idea
about that, about you and I.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
We're gonna call me and like, can I please cancel
this home?
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Right right?
Speaker 2 (18:16):
I thought I wanted to do this, but in retrospect,
a pump breaks.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
No.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
But seriously, I love to hear people's heart and souls
and like what motivates them and how they became who
they are, you know, yeah, or else like I don't
know you.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah? Yeah, you know, just it's like speed dating. I
feel like doing this podcast. I've gotten to like do
this with so many people that it's like you have this,
like you know this man where to go with someone
and you share your whole life and then you don't
really talk to him again often, but there now you
see him, it's like I really know you.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
I feel like that was songwriting.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Okay, tell them, oh, because when you're in the room,
you have to share your heart.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah. I I don't write as much as I used to,
Like I used to write like five days a week,
sometimes twice a day with everyone and their mom. You
know what, I mean, like it's just what you do
when you come here. And so I've really dialed that
back and I've I'm writing a lot more by myself
and just with like my handful of trusted people. But yeah, no,
(19:17):
when I when you meet someone for the first time
to write a song together, and there's like, well we've
both blocked out off like three to four hours of
our life and so we might as well do this.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
And I whant to get a song that connects exactly,
you have to write about something that's real exactly. So
then all of a sudden, you're like sharing your whole
life story, yes with a random stranger. Yes, yeah, yeah.
Did you ever feel like, oh shit, I said way
too much.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Oh yes, all the time, and like you feel like
right now, validating.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Validating trust because it's like I wasn't supposed to talk
about that, but like totally to write a song about it.
And now that I know, I know it's weird. Okay,
Well you have to go back to motherhood, because mother
it shook me in a way that I can't describe.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
How many kids do you have?
Speaker 2 (20:03):
One? And I've had quite a journey, Like I had
lots of miscarriages, and then before and after, and it's
like you just learned. I've learned everything about myself. I
realized I had her when I was thirty six, and
I realized that I had a self worth issue and
that I did not like I could not look in
the mirror and be like, I just love myself for
who I am. I felt like I just needed to
(20:25):
perform and to be someone, and I just wanted everyone
to love me, and if they didn't love me, I
felt like I wasn't. I just spent a lot of
time making sure I was putting the right person forward
so I would be loved, you know. And anyway, I
had Sonny and she was like two, and I was like,
there's no way I can teach her how to be
(20:45):
an independent woman who just knows her self worth if
I don't have it. And so like I went on
a journey, hired a life coach. I hired every No,
it's great because its you up.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
It is great, but you kind of into like a
black hole to do that, and I, yes, yeah, I
know the black hole.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
So I wanted to say another thing. I went to
this group of mothers. My friend Kristen Brus puts it
on wonderful. Isn't she the best?
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Oh my gosh, I haven't spent a ton of time
with her, but I met her in Preston and Key
West this past year.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yes, beautiful people, Yes, yes, pressed it from low Cash
and Kristin Brust, who's just the best, the best. Yeah. Anyway,
she's so good at connecting and she's so soulful and thoughtful.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
So she put together this group of moms and there
are probably forty moms in the room really, and it's
called Mamaya Health m A m A y A I think,
and actually any woman who is like struggling with their
brain and their life after having a kid, you should
reach out. Because everyone held this rock and we went
sent the rock around the room and we had to
explain like the traumas of motherhood and like just like
(21:56):
the beautiful part of it, but like how, like what
has happened to us? Because you are literally birthing this
human you're completely transformed. And every woman was like had
such heartbreaking stories, had such I mean, everyone of course
has so much love and they love their kids, but
like the other side just takes you down. Your hormones.
A lot of women were suicidal it's just like all
(22:17):
this stuff happens that people don't ever talk about because
you're so rocked to your core and your hormones are
so out of whack and you don't know who you
are anymore. It's really a lot, that's all. You have
to have people to talk to. And I had mom
groups and thank god, because if I wouldn't have been
able to share all this. Yeah, if you think you're
the only one, do you have people to hang out
(22:38):
with them talk to?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Okay, So I this was such a god thing. So
my very best friend in the whole world. We've been
best friends since the sixth grade. We rodeoed together. So
she and I were pregnant three weeks apart.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
I know, so y'all could lean on each other.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
So we could lean on each other. And she's in
South Louisiana, but like we talked all the time, all
the time, and it was like she kind of prepared me,
like through pregnancy, like what she was going through, and
I kind of knew what was coming, like she was
just a little ahead. Yes, yes, yep. The only downfall
of that is we couldn't be there in the room
with each other and we had our babies. So that
(23:19):
was a little sad, but now we have boys that
are like basically brothers that can grow up together. And
so so she yes, she's been my rock through this
whole thing. I've met with a couple of other like
artist moms, like Casey Tendall, who is so sweet and
(23:40):
gave me so much great advice.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
And what changed in you after everything? Okay, everything, give
me a rundown everything?
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Yeah it I so, you know, in the female artist world,
it's like you get pregnant. It's like, okay, well stick
a work in me.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
I've talked to Maddie and Tay about that. I've talked
to Runaway June about that. I've talked to so many
female artists about that.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yeah, I don't know. I do know, but it's like
we were just, I don't know, wired to believe that.
And I hope that like the next generation behind us
maybe doesn't feel that way. I think that there's a
lot of female artists right now, like at a really
(24:26):
high level like showing which I don't know, see. I
felt like it wouldn't have been as devastating if I
was further along.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
In your career. And how are we always going to
feel that way if you're always going to feel like
you should be farther along before you do this next
big thing. Yeah, okay, so you felt like you weren't
where you wanted to be exactly, Yes.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yes, So, you know, I just was like I didn't
know what my career was going to look like after
I had the baby, if I was going to have one.
You know, my parents were very supportive. My mom was like,
you've been doing this for too long. She's like, you know,
(25:08):
She's like, we're in too deep to pull out now.
Like a country music country music, Yes. And Joe's parents
they grew up on the road, six kids doing what
playing bluegrass?
Speaker 2 (25:22):
His family plays bluegrass?
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yeah, his three older sisters. Have you seen the movie
Oh Brother Areth Thou Yes?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Is that their family?
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Well, so the three older sisters were the voices for Girls, Yes,
And so they were on the tour for that movie.
They shared a bus with Emmy.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Lou And what a life experience, you know.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
And so Joe at five years old, jumped on the
bus for that tour and then after that they just
kept doing it and they just kind of lived on
the road and homeschooled and all the things. And so
what a life.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Did he love his upbringing?
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Oh my gosh, Yeah, he loved being on the road,
like he loved growing up on the road. And I
kind of grew up on the road a little bit
too with Rodeo, Like we're gone every weekend and every summer,
we're just kind of traveling. So definitely grew up on
the road. So we both kind of like have the
same mentality of like we would love to give bear
(26:21):
that bears my kid. So what was I talking.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
About talking about how everything changed?
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, so I didn't I didn't think that
I would have kids, and I didn't know what it
would look like after so I don't know, like your
whole brain just rewires.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
And yeah, you get anxiety.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yeah, I definitely got hit with the postpartum stick for sure.
For sure, I got hit with the post part of
so much weight, which was also frustrating because you don't
feel like you're in your body exactly, none of your clothes.
And then I'm just like, but.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
But then you got a baby that you've got to
keep alive that you love more than anything. But you're like,
you're literally you just sacrifice yourself for a while. You
just have to. It's hard not to.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yeah, yeah, literally, Yeah, we're like a year and a
half past having a kid, and I'm just now got
back to my pre baby.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Wait, it's takes me two years to mentally get back
there too.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
I feel like I'm just now starting to get back
to feelings. I think it takes like years myself, but
like an elevated version of myself, because now you've don't
take any ship version.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Of you have time, and you have this kid that
you can't f around with anymore. You know, you can't
e around find out. I mean I would say the word,
but for some reason, I feel like I need to
censory around talking about your kid.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
You don't want to kids cussing already. And my father
in law is a pastor, and I'm just like, you
should probably tuck it in a little bit.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Oh my god, I know a kid. You just don't
have time, and you can't waste your time, especially when
you're building your career, because it's like you have to
give so much of your time to your career. Yes,
and that's taking away from time with your kid.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
So if it's not like of utmost importance, you're not
doing it. You can't just go do something, you know,
I used to just do stuff all the time. Anything
that would just like help me.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Isn't that crazy? I do stuff all the time, Like
I live by myself in a one bedroom apartment. I
could go to the bar on a Tuesday night, and
why would you not? Why would you not? Why would
you not? Did literally whatever I wanted, And he's so
thankful I got. I got to do that. But I
never thought that there would be a world where I
didn't get to do that once I experienced that freedom.
(28:36):
So so it's an altercation, Yeah, it is, it is.
But it did surprise me how much I love motherhood,
as hard of a time as it can be. Sometimes,
like I didn't realize that I could love something so much.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
It's wild.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Yeah, it's like your heart grows to sizes.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
It does.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah, so do your waistline. But have officially dropped my
Oh my gosh, fun even now, goodness, we're gonna. I
don't want to get a boob job.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
I've never wanted to get a boob job. I don't
want to put plastic or whatever still gonna in my body.
I love what boot doobs look like, but I just
don't want it, and I don't want foreign stuff in
my body. Probably what am I gonna do?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
I know, I know I'm out of options.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
They're not terrible, they've done me well, but I'm like,
girls need a little love help.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yeah, yeah, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 2 (29:40):
What are we gonna do?
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Who knows?
Speaker 2 (29:41):
I like your boops look great?
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Thanks? Thanks, I feel like your boobs look great.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
I mean they're they're hanging in there. I just don't care.
Have you found that out? Like you just don't care
about stuff anymore? Yeah, Like I used to take all
sorts of things to seriously. I know you said you
take stuff seriously, but like, yeah, there's a lot of
stuff you just can't care about.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I do love that part about it, Like like even
when I was pregnant, I started to feel that way
of like you know, when like just silly things were
happening and people were upset about little tiny things, and
I'm just like, you have no idea. Yeah, I'm growing
a whole human right now, and I do not have
(30:26):
time for your feelings, like you're allowed to have them,
but like that's on you, like I didn't.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah, not my job to solve your problems. Yeah, I
used to really invest in people's issues too, like so much. Yeah,
and that's why I started this podcast, is because I
want to know everything and I want to hear it,
and then let's figure out a way to heal, yes,
because then we all need to heal. I used to
do that all the time with everyone, and now I'm like,
I just can't.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Yeah, and I don't know, like for so my job
to save someone's you know, your job, And it's like,
I think our job is just to.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Love people totally and show is your best self.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Yes, and to just like I don't know if you
feel this, but I feel like I have empathy. Like
I thought that I was a very empathetic person before
I had my baby, but now, oh my gosh, like
I yeah, my empathy cup is like twice as big now.
But also in a way that I'm like, you got
(31:20):
to deal with that in your own time, and I'm
just gonna I'm just gonna pray for you in the
meantime because nothing I can do can fix it and
I don't have the time to so. But I feel
for you, I really feel for you. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Yeah, I've kind of gotten to the place where I
feel like I'm just like more in alignment now because
I used to just be so overwhelmed by feelings and
I used to be so overwhelmed by like wanting everyone
to love me and all these things, and now having sunny,
I'm like, Okay, I have to make sure thank you
so cute. Like I have to make sure I'm being
as emotionally stable as I possibly can be, because like
(31:53):
I'm looking at teaching you and for me to be
an insane person, I'm not gonna do that. So it's
like I have to work so hard to stay centered,
and that's actually very hard for me because like I
have been an emotional wreck my whole life. So she
has like been my north star. And I'm like, okay,
I can't like care about everything. You can have empathy,
but you can only do what you personally totally can
(32:16):
do in your life.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Totally.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
You can't save the whole world. It's not your job.
It's too much to like comprehend it, and it will
make you feel terrible if you like stress about it
all the time. So you just have to stay focused
on your lane. Yep. And that's what like music too, right,
it is it is.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
I had an instance was that yesterday or maybe day
before this, day before, but it was like I was
just staying home with Bear that day and you know,
something happened where I was, you know, a team member.
I'm moving on, Like people take their business elsewhere all
the time, Like it's life, it's business, and somebody has
(32:50):
just given me absolute hell over it. And I normally
would have just worked myself into a rage fit, but
I was like, this is not worth my time or
my energy right now, and.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
For wrecking your nervous system exactly. So then you put
that on your kid exactly, Like they don't deserve for
you to have a wrecked nervous systems, Like why would
I give them that privilege of taking my life force?
You know? Yeah, absolutely, But it's like such a mental game. Yeah,
don't you feel like motherhoods so mental it is. I'm
like mentally having to think about stuff all the time,
like how am I reacting? Okay, this triggered something, but
(33:24):
like I have to react differently than I would and
I've found myself to have a lot of patience. Yeah,
but like I have had to train myself for that.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
That plus, like on top of all of the things,
like the task that you have to do and like
the running checklist in your brain. Oh, like yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
How do you how do you manage it with music now?
Because you weren't expecting it one day a time? How
what does your work life balance look like?
Speaker 1 (33:52):
You know what?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
And recording an album? And this is a very personal
EP for you? Talk about it?
Speaker 1 (33:57):
So am I put out the EP.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Now we've got the album.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
And I'm gonna I'm about to record an album.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Yes, with this EP and included Nope, You're doing a
whole new album.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Starting from scratch. It's gonna have a lot of themes
of motherhood. It's gonna be all up in my Chili?
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Can you write a song called all my Chili?
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Probably I'm gonna have to because I'm taking too seriously
in this album.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
But yeah, no, my Chili. I need to use that
in my life. You should coin.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Did get all up in the Chili?
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Okay? And good? It's good.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
It's good, and I'm really glad that I did.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
And do you feel nervous that people are gonna hear?
So nervous like your diary entry.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
So nervous, Like I'm avoiding even starting it because I'm
so nervous because I don't know. I just feel like
it's a lot easier to just put out like a
hockey talk drink and song like what I've got out
right now. But it's doing super well. And and you
have it with Randall King Yes, fort Worth Yes. And
I'm like, let's do my dance, let's do all this
fine stuff. And you know with this next music, I'm like,
(35:00):
this is very personal and I'm letting a lot of
strange I'll be letting a lot of strangers in on
on a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
And I think you're being very vulnerable, yes, in a
way that.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
I've never done before, which I'm very proud of because
it was very hard to do. But also like you
open yourself up to people's opinions. And also it's like,
as much as I don't want to like put all
of myself out there for people to see, I do
(35:35):
and what if what if they don't like it? You know,
but it'll be good. I don't know yet, Okay, I
don't know yet.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Have you written all the songs? Are you still writing?
Speaker 1 (35:57):
I don't know yet.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
We don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Do we know about I don't know.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
I do know that I'm about to go in the studio,
and I'm gonna start off with six songs, and I.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
You've written the six songs?
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Yeah, yeah, I've written a lot, but I know the
six that I'm gonna start off with.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Why did you pick these six?
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Well, I don't know. I just had a gut feeling
that two of the songs I needed to like those
were like the flagship songs. And one of them is
called the Problem, and it's sometimes I miss being the problem.
Sometimes sometimes I miss being the problem. Sometimes I miss
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the drama. It's just about like, you know, like I
just kind of missed my drinking days and just could
do whatever I want when whenever I wanted, and but
also loving my life now and so that one. And
then there's a song called Laundry and the Dishes that
I wrote by myself. It was like the first song
that I wrote after I had Bear and.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Please tell me what about?
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Yeah, So it's a it's written in third person, but
it's it's just about the woman who, like the hook
is so okay. It starts out with like her and
like her birthday cake on, like her thirty fourth birthday,
and like the chorus is like her just closing her
(37:23):
eyes and wishing that her life could feel like more
than the laundry and the dishes and so. But then
also like just putting on a smile for her family
and like you know, all of that. And then I
also have a song about infertility.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Would you struggle with that?
Speaker 1 (37:39):
No?
Speaker 2 (37:40):
I did not, but obviously you were surprised.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Yeah, but I have a friend that does it, like
a close friend, and I knew that she had been
trying for years, and here.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
I am just getting pregnant, getting pregnant without wanting it. Yes, grateful,
but like yes, yeah, totally. It's like what's the irony
in that?
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Yeah? And so like a really really cool song fell
out of that moment.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
And it's really you know, wait, that's needed, that's not
I think. So I've struggled with infertility. I had so
many miscarriages, and it's like people have been so afraid
to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Yeah, and what's hard through It's like, you know, I
get I've never been through that, but if I had,
maybe I don't know that I would want to talk
about it. But also I don't know. I I think
just putting it out there in an art form just
to make someone feel at less alone?
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Is it like the contrast of you getting pregnant and
her not, Like, is that the story?
Speaker 1 (38:34):
It's them just like sitting down for dinner and just talking,
just kind of complaining about motherhood and then recognizing like
the look on your friend's face of like, oh, no,
I'm living on a prayer. She's she's living on a
prayer and I'm living her dream. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's
(38:55):
so it's heavy stuff. It's heavy stuff. But I'm like,
how heavy can put a line dance to that? You know,
not this song, not that song, not that song.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
So but also like you know, that's such a real conversation.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
It's a real conversation. And I've really like allowed myself
to like not think about anything other than like the
songs that have just popped into my head like they
can to you, yes, like divinely yes, and I've it's
against my nature, but like just not focusing on a checklist.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
You're just letting the real songs come in. Yeah, that's faith.
That's an act of faith. It's it is, Yeah, and
that's hard because you have to break old habits where
you just want to reach for the low hanging fruit. Yeah,
you write the awesome song that totally isn't talking about
your deepest, darkest, totally most vulnerable pieces.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Totally.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Yeah, good for you.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Thanks. I can't say that I've like fully you know,
leaned in and been the best vessel through all of it.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
But you did it, but you accept it.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
I feel like I'm still doing it and I'm yeah,
but it's it's fun and it's like, Okay, well, you know,
I'm thirty years old and I'm a mom and I
know flat thirty.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Yeah, like how young you are and have done so
many wonderful things.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Yeah, thank you, thank you. I forget about that. I
forget about my wonderful team made a slide show for
me for our year in meeting and they were like,
look at all the things that you've done this year,
and it's like this year was like I've done by
far the least amount of things, like since I got
on the road like five or six years ago, like
(40:44):
you know, as far as like going places and just
running and gunning, but also I did some like really
big things, and you forget about that. You know. It's
always like onto the next, onto the next one, like.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
And most importantly you have time for your son. Yeah,
and I was talking to Maddie, my content theater who's here,
and it's like, literally, I don't want to be busy
right now, yep, in this season of my life because
if I'm busy, I'm not with my daughter, you know.
And I just don't want to be busy. And so
if I'm busy, it's because it really.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Matters totally, absolutely, Yes, Yes, that's what I love about motherhood. Yeah,
you just like become like, I don't know, just such.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
A sniper, I guess, so just like of with your time.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
It's like, yeah, I don't know, it's really cool. Also,
when I like first got pregnant, I was in Key
West and I opened up for Dina Carter and I
like hardly told anyone at this time, and like I
was asking her. I was like, did you have any kids?
Like what you know, what was your like personal life like?
(41:47):
And she's like yeah, She's like I had one son.
His name was Hayes, which is my best friend's baby's name.
And she's like, wait a minute, do you have kids?
And I was like, well, nobody knows, but yes, I'm
pregnant right now. And she was like, oh my gosh.
She's like no, wonder you're just glowing. And she just
like grabbed my arm and she's like, if I could
(42:07):
just tell you one thing, she said, just keep them
with you, she said, I always just passed my son off,
and I just I wish I had just kept him
with me more. He wasn't in the way.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
And I know, I know, I know she's so right.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
I know she's so right. She's so right. Sometimes, like
I've gone to like writers around and stuff brought him
and like good, you know, it's being a hippie mom.
And I bring her glass bottles and like we broke
a glass bottle at the songwriter around and I'm like
so embarrassed, but I okay. Like like friends of mine
who have babies, they are like I can't believe you
just brought your baby, Like I need to do that,
like just bring they.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Want to everyone wants to the other baby. Yeah, you know.
I mean there's times obviously where you want your little
me time and a break, and so I feel like
your instinct is to be with them, yep. And society
has this like just taking them away from us, I know,
and I love that.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
And I have a wonderful team now. And like I
played a gig this past weekend and brought, yeah, brought,
and Miranda was just running around with him the whole time,
taking him to see Santa Claus, Like Miranda mom and
dad were singing, that's the best.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Yeah, and then bereagus have this awesome life on the
road with other amazing people that he gets to know,
like family and like be with y'all. Yeah, it feels harder,
but it's like pick your heart, you.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Know, exactly exactly. I'm like, this is gonna be hard
no matter which way I spin it, So.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Pick a hard that you at least, yeah, don't have
that rip in.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Your heart exactly. And I just like, I think God
for it happening to me, because I would have never
chosen it for myself.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
You had to make it work. And shout out to
all those hard working men and women who can't be
with their kids because their jobs don't allow. So it's like,
you know, if you can finaggle it, yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
I saw. I wanted to talk about this because I
saw the stay at the gym. I went to the
gym and I was working out. I was in the
locker room, and I love this locker room because there
are naked women everywhere. Love it. And it is like
women who are like seventy years old and talk about
feeling like you have saggy booth. But they're just loud
and proud and mad and like walking around putting all lotion,
like in the sink area, lifting up their legs, like
(44:06):
putting all lotion. And I'm like, hell, yes, please be
this free with yourself. And this one woman, she was
probably sixty five seventy, and she had like some bruises
because she had had like some sort of procedure down herself. Okay,
but she was like, y'all don't even know this, but
like she's like, it's your lucky day. I'm about to
be in the buff and I don't even care what
anybody thinks. She's walking strutting from the locker room to
(44:28):
the hot tubs, sitting in there naked. Perfect. I'm like,
that is so great. So today I saw this woman
and she was probably like young thirty, low thirties. Yeah,
she was pumping, she was sweating from her workout, and
she had her laptop out and she was like returning
work emails and I was like, oh my god, I'm
like I just want you to know, you are my
superhero right now. The fact that you were like doing
(44:50):
all of this and I'm sure her kids at the
childcare next door, I mean, it brings here to my eyes.
I'm like, women are freaking amazing.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
I know, right you burn kid, You're like, no, women
can do do anything anything.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
Yes, But I was like, if that is not a
picture of motherhood, Like two milk bottles, you've got a laptop,
you're sweating because you're at the gym, and you're just
like fitting it in.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
I was like, you are amazing, so great, amazing. Women
are incredible. So it's awesome. And you know what I
shan't you know, I don't think anyone ever figures it
out or ever has it. I'm learning that no one
feels secure. You can have false security, but like, what
are we secure. We're floating on a rock in the
middle of sure galaxy. We're all going to die. What
is any of this anyway?
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Yeah, just do the best you've given and enjoy life
and love people, and.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
It's happy ever after, Happy ever after. Okay, Well, I'm
gonna I want to wrap up a little bit, but
I want to get to tell me about your last album,
How did that make you feel? How is that songs?
How is being like? How is it being the queen
of Texas music? Because I feel like you are the queen.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
I feel like maybe I'm the princess.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Okay, here's the queen. My dear friend Freebag, she's the
Queen of Texas.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
She's I don't know. Her and Sonny Sweeney have like.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Soney Sweety's the Queen of Texas. Yeah, because you know,
Sonny Sweeney came to Nashville and she did the Nashville thing.
But like, I just love that she was like, peace out,
I'm back in Texas. So she's the Queen of Texas.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Yeah, I think so yay. Yeah, So I think maybe
Sonny's the queen, and then three is maybe the princess,
and then I am just the person that's lucky to
just be in their presence sometimes. No, I love that.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
So is the Texas community tight?
Speaker 1 (46:31):
It is? It's kind of you know, it's a little
hard for like females to break through in it just
like you know, the same old thing. But also like
I don't know, it takes a long time to like
really feel a part of the community.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
But like Texas don't just let you come in, no,
which is awesome. I love that about Texas. Yeah, and
well once you're in though.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Yeah, I told this story the other day. But like
I did America Scott Talent a couple of years ago
and it was fine, you know. And my episode, let
me what am I trying to say here? My episode
aired when I was in Mexico for Casey Donnah's Boots
(47:12):
on the Beach, and so it was Casey, Randy Rogers,
Pat Green, Wade Bowen, who, oh, Randy Hauser was there. Yeah,
Randy Haser.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
He's kind of come to Texas, hasn't he.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
I think so? I think so love that.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Yeah, he's so good.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
He's amazing.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
My favorite voice is incredible.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
And so I you know, I just I told all
of them. Oh, Josh Abbitt was also there too, and
who I was missing one? I told all of them.
I was like, hey, guys, like, you know, like the
VAP Lounge, like it has a big TV. Like I'm
gonna put my episode on like if y'all can make it,
like no big deal, like no pressure like whatever, just
trying to play cool. And they all showed up, and
(47:51):
they all showed up.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
And they cheered for me, and uh.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
Pat Green brought saviche and he like had just like
caught a tune of that day on the boat and
he had like the chef just fix it up and
he brought it to the party with two bottles of
champagne and it was just it was so sweet. My
criand was there too, Yeah, so yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Just Texas goes hard. I love the little Texas community.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
I know, like America's got talent. And they just showed
up and they didn't have to, they didn't have to
take a shower one hour earlier than they were supposed to.
They get to just stayed in the sun and they didn't.
And I thought that was very sweet.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
I know, I know what showing up for people really matters.
It does, It really does. Yeah, people think it doesn't matter,
but it really does. And here it doesn't matter if
you don't do it, but when you do it, it matters.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
I forget to ask, and that it's okay to ask,
Like in that moment, if I wouldn't have would have
never said anything, they wouldn't have known. And not that
they didn't want to show for me, they just wouldn't
have known. And so yeah, I forget to like.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
Let people experience the joy too, Yes, because you also
forget that that's a joyful experience for them. You know,
everyone's gathering. It's so fun to have a reason to
be together and a cheer on a friend, to all
like have a community. Yeah, I know it blesses everyone.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
Life is just so much, isn't it. It is like,
and this is great.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
You're a joy. Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
Is there anything you want to talk about that we
didn't cover? There is one thing to tell us that
I would like to I want to hear it. How
did you deal with the mom pooch?
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Or were you one of those lucky women who just
gave birth and.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
Just like snapped for a bat?
Speaker 3 (49:33):
No, no, okay, no, I've always had the mom pooch though,
you know what, I'm kind of here for the mom pooch.
I I was in yoga today, and now that I
was so great. I learned so much at yoga in
the locker room and the classes, and I was looking
around and there's all these different bodies in there, and
the thing I love about yoga is people really feel
(49:56):
confident just to like be free in themselves totally. They're
really not doing it for anyone else. Because when you
love yoga, you like love how it makes you feel
and like you're connected to your body and so like,
you know, people who are like into yoga are like
truly into it. I'm sure there's a whole subworld of
yoga that I'm just not a part of, but like
the part the yoga world on the part of And
I was looking around all these people and people are
(50:17):
just like nobody. I mean, there was this one girl
who had a perfect body, and I was like, damn,
she looks so good and I just admired her body.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
That's just perfect.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
But then everyone else, I'm like, there's mom, pooches, there's
like cell you like, people are not in the best
shape of their life.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
We're all just doing our best.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
Something sagging somewhere on everybody. This one person had perfect body,
but she had like saggy arms. But I'm like, I'm
just noticing.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
But I'm like, see, everybody has.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
Something, and it's just like I think at some point
you just have to like accept it. That's why I'm
not gonna get that boo job. I'm just gonna live
with them.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
I know, I'm just gonna live with them too, but
I'm gonna I think the mom too.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
The mom pouch is a badge of honor.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
Yeah. I think if I would have not having a
mom pooch before I had a baby, then maybe I'd
be you.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
Didn't have one before I did have one.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
I did have one. I just always been the chunky kid,
and so you have. Yes, I was way too much ice.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
Cream ice creams your uh the choice blue Belt. Oh,
it's the only kind of ice People who don't eat
Bluebell okay, And they try to like pass on some
Briars ship.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
And I'm like, no, come on, no get away with
that get away. I will say Jenny's Brambleberry Chris, Jenny's
has me on Bluebell for Jenny's has won me over.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
When I first got into Jenny's as like, your too bougie,
I know what the heck hibiscus lavender like, No, But
now I'm like, I can always get down on Jenny's. No,
it's wonderful blue Belt. Nothing's better.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
Yeah, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
I'm straight of cookie dough.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
See. I grew up doing like French vanilla with nest
Quick chocolate powder on top.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
Uh. Huh.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
Yeah, you came up with that, my grandpa and a
brilliant man. Yes, that's like I know creation. It's great.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
It's great blue velvet rid. Sometimes with chocolate powder, nest.
Speaker 1 (52:03):
Quick chocolate powder. You could do her She's powder, but
it's not the same.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
And you don't want to do the syrup. No, why not?
Speaker 1 (52:11):
It's texture thing texture. Trust me, okay, trust me.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
Okay, I trust you. I feel like you would not
lead me astray.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
Trust me, trust these hips. Okay, all right.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
You have a great, beautiful body. Thank you, hilarious, thank you,
thank you. Okay, So the album coming on next year? Yes,
you got to single out for it? Worth right now?
Speaker 1 (52:32):
Yes with Randall King.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
You are the princess of Texas, which I love, and
we just can we can get your EP that's out. Now.
What's something called again, It's called half of mind. And
if you want a line dance that's your one. Ye,
get your line and then next year, get ready to
feel the feelings and cry. Yes, i'd your scream ready
for pronection, your ice cream pronection year.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
I can't screaming wine.
Speaker 2 (52:56):
Okay, I'm excited. That's good. That's a good combo. Okay,
thank you so much for tell me where everyone can
find you.
Speaker 1 (53:02):
At Kyliefried dot com and Kylie french Fried and all
the socials.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
I love it so much.
Speaker 3 (53:07):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
Well you stick around for quick just like, draw some
questions and answer them. It's gonna be deeper than this,
because I'm sure you're looking forward.
Speaker 1 (53:12):
To that, but yeah, let's just.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
Yes, okay, Kylie Frye, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
Bye,
Host
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