After bursting onto the scene in 2017 with their breakout debut album Hallelujah Nights, and 5X Platinum hit Greatest Love Story, Lanco rocketed to country music stardom. Fueled by chart-topping hits and infectious energy, they found themselves living at the top of the game—touring nationwide, appearing on late-night shows, and rubbing shoulders with celebrity friends. It was a whirlwind of success, and for a while, it seemed like nothing could slow them down. But life has a way of shifting the spotlight.
In the years since their debut, the band faced the quiet that follows the noise. The fame faded into reflection, and instead of chasing the next big thing, they regrouped. The members of Lanco—now all fathers—took a step back and started asking deeper questions: What does success really mean? What kind of legacy do we want to leave? Their long-awaited second album, We’re Gonna Make It, is the raw and redemptive product of that soul-searching journey. It’s a record rich with perspective—an honest reflection on family, faith, failure, and the fight to stay grounded in a world that constantly pulls you off your feet.
We’re Gonna Make It is the sound of a band that’s grown up, gotten real, and finally found what matters most.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Adam Adam.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Carry line.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
She's a queen and talking and you saw him, you
know she's getting really.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Not afraid to fing this episode, soul.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Just let it flow.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
No one can do we.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Quiet cary line.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Is sound for Caroline.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Well, I'm really excited to be here with two fifths
of Lanco.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Two fifths. What is that percent? It's forty percent?
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Now, Brandon, just get ready to hand the mic over
because y'are on one mic too.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
We are we sharing, We can get real close and
do it.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
What are we going to do when you need to
talk though? Are you just gonna do that? You're gonna
be it, Brandon.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
I'm just gonna grab it out of give me the mic.
It is my turn on guys.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
This podcast is called Get Real and so that's all
it is. I have a setup for two mics and
I'm so happy Trip is here.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
That was a pleasant surprise.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Press the party. I was like, I'm not getting left
out of this.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I'll say too. We just came from the ACMs where
you do like the remotes, and it's literally like seventy
interviews in a day, and most of those stations have
a mic, and there's all five of us. So we're
pretty we're pretty good at passing on my ground.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
That's crazy. All five.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
I can't believe y'all have five five And you said
y'all have been basically five the whole time.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, we were five for five four three. No, we
were five for about, I guess eight years, like professionally
doing it eight years, and then lost the original guitar
player to the real world.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
It was time to go to the real world, because
they do go by the wayside. I mean, you know,
it's like you can only hang in there so long. Yeah,
I mean, do you think that breaking point is though,
when you break it? You know, because like you probably
hung in there.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
A long time. I think the breaking point was so
after the pandemic, you know, we were rocking. We can
get in all this later if you want, but or
I don't know what you want to talk about, but
we see where it goes.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah we uh.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
We put out our debut album in twenty eighteen, and it,
like you know, debuted at number one and No. One
album and tour in the world and doing the whole thing.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
And The Greatest Love Story was like five times platinum, right, Yeah, yes,
that was five million, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Five million in the and then we had Born to
Love You off that record. We had a few songs
off that record did really well and set us up
to tour around the world, and you know, we were rocking,
and then pandemic happens and that was when just a
bunch of change for everyone in the world and especially
in the entertainment.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
No, we're selling out like big rooms, right, yeah, yeah,
we were.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
So in the top of twenty twenty, we were doing
a headlining tour. We were alternating weekends, we do a
headlining tour, and we were doing anywhere from like one
two to like four thousand tickets, you know, like years. Yeah, headlining,
that's where you were.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
That's what y'all were doing before COVID hit.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, and then we were also on the road that
same tour out with Mirana Lambert, so we'd like we'd
go with her and then we'd go to our own
weekend and kind of go back and forth. So once
pandemic hit, you know, we're home. And that really was
like a year and a half of just sitting home.
And then so when we came back on the road,
even at you know, twenty twenty one, even going in
twenty twenty two things were still weird and different. You'd
play some shows where it was totally cool, and then
(03:12):
some shows where like they had you know, seating restrictions
and it was just still weird vibes. And then just
on on our own front, you know, trying we got
a new record deal and record new music and you're
kind of rebuilding.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
You feel like y'all kind of like stalled for not stalled,
but just like were parked for like a couple of years.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Question did that was that hard?
Speaker 5 (03:32):
Because I feel like for bands like you guys and
even my husband A thousand horses, it's like there was
this huge surge that was happening with y'all and then
y'all are all momentums moving in the right direction and
then literally it just gets like knocked out from under you.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
And so it's like y'all were still so new. Did
you feel like you had.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Time to like build the the roots that you needed
with the fans or did it like did you kind
of have to like get back in there remind everybody
because it was, yeah, stop so sudden.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
No.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I mean there's a few questions there. One is yeah,
it definitely, I mean it hit us hard, like it's
it definitely. I mean, yeah, there were times where it
truly was like the lowest of lows, because these are dreams.
You have the dream of dream music, like I've had
it my whole life, and true, you know, since you're
a kid, you have this dream and to actually piece
it together and get the right doors to open the
(04:22):
right time and to walk through them and to have
it worked, to have songs connect is so difficult. And
so when that's gone, to think like, oh, literally, can
lightning strike twice kind of thing? Is that gonna happen.
The one thing that I think helps is being in
a band that you our friendships were solidified. We've been
friends since college, so I think that even when things
(04:45):
were going wrong or things were bad, we could all
hang out and complain about together and laugh together and
cry together. And I will say, going all the way back,
circling back to like even with the guitar player, I
think the breaking point really was just if you're not
having fun anymore, you know, if you go on the
road and you know, everyone will have a bad day,
but you can lean on the other guys. You can
(05:05):
lean on the other guys and kind of you know,
get through it, but I got I think it got
to a point where, you know, for everyone has their time,
and it just became not fun anymore. And this and
you know a lot of times you're just you're chilling
all day and you wait for that show. If that
sixty minutes or ninety minutes, if that's not fun anymore,
then it is hard to do it. And so I
think that was part of it. But it definitely when
(05:25):
we went back out, it was hard. It was like, Okay,
do we still have fans? Did we build that foundation?
And it was hard because you didn't know, because say,
there was one show that like literally I think thirty
five people showed up, like half the pandemic and we
were like, oh my.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Gosh, yes, like humbling or does that just.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Like knock that It's it's not humbling wouldn't be the
right word. It's it's more like, it's more like, I mean, really,
it's like getting in a car wreck and I'm not
trying to like I've been in car resy and it's
that thing when you get I remember, like get I
totaled one of my cars. When you get out of
it and you're thinking is this real? Because there's this
like dream saying like, Okay, I've heard about this, I've
(06:02):
seen this, but like this didn't just happen to me.
And you get out and the smoke clearsally like this
really happened.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
This.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
My car is totaled. I went from selling three thousand
tickets to thirty five people showed up. But then after
the show, we walked off stage and the promoter gave
me a huge hug and.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
He had like tears in his eyes. Yeah, he was
so exciting.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
He goes, this is the most tickets we've done since
the pandemic. So it was like, okay, so what's going on?
Is this? The venue? Is this? The city was up
north and they were very strict up there, and it's like, hey,
so who do people like us? Or or are they
still there? Are they not coming? Or is it a
And it was a little bit of everything. You know,
it's been a minute since you've been out there and
you've been hot. But then also the world was still weird.
(06:43):
I'll say, we just got done with a tour for
our we put out our second album. We just got
done with that tour, and that really we haven't had
a song on the radio, we haven't had a quote hit.
But we've had millions of streams since then, and so
you you go, okay, like we're filling rooms again. You know,
we're seeing a thousand to two thousand, and you're like, okay,
that's without radio, that's without like a ton of playlists
(07:06):
or anything like that. That's just our fans hearing the
record and showing up. So I think finally we feel
like our feed are under us again and that thing
that we built is has come full circle. But yeah,
it's been a it's been a wild ride.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
And two, I think we've had to rebuild our entire
team from you know, booking to management, to label to
That's not like a this is done tomorrow process. That's
like you go to so many dinners, you got to
so many meetings, you let's keep talking, let's continue this conversation.
Then eventually you find the one that you know believes
in you and does that. Then it takes them about
(07:40):
six months to kind of dig their teeth in to
get everything going again. And so it's like there's constantly this, Uh,
it took so much time, and then it was like
we got to make the record, So it just took
so much time to even get to where we could feel.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Like our feeder, we had a we had a second record,
like our debutt came out in twenty eighteen. We had
a second record, Central Le in twenty twenty.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Did you scratch that one and do a new one? Yes,
you just threw it away?
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Well not, but so we that Sony owned that record, okay,
and it was we did it with Dan Huff and
Jay Joyce.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
I mean that's that's huge.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah, And but the tough thing is, you know, once
like we have the you have the option with those things. Okay,
you can like essentially buy the masters back, like you
can get it. But the tough thing now you're going
twenty twenty two, twenty three, it's been now like three
or four years since you wrote and recorded those songs,
and now you're at a different place in life and
you're like, Okay, now our fans have been waiting for
an album, and none of this reflects who we are
(08:35):
in this moment, and so we're gonna be giving our
fans an album and they're gonna think like, oh, here's
Lanco and it's like, yeah, that was Lanko in like
twenty nineteen when we wrote and record that song is
twenty twenty two to twenty three, so we kind of
had to start over with that too.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Were there any songs that like broke your Heart say
Goodbye to.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Not really, we kept a couple of them, like which
ones that we loved Memories you didn't know we're making.
We recut that class I was just kind of written
in that era.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Well that was after that? Was that? Yeah, that was
the only one that's from that era is called Memories.
Didn't know we were making. And I don't know though,
some of those songs came out like what I see
near Missus first Beer, like we because you know how
you like release songs leading up to a record, So
we had released like three or four of our favorite
so the ones that we like, love the most on
that record came out anyways, and then the rest of
(09:24):
them were even sonically, you know, twenty nineteen is a
very different time than even in those four or five years,
just sonically things are different and we had changed sonically.
So now I was, honestly, I was a little relieved
to not have to play some of those songs anymore.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
Isn't it wild? Like just this whole journey, especially y'all
being a band.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
So, how long have like you guys been together? Like,
how long is like most of y'all been together as together?
Speaker 2 (09:51):
We've been friends since we met in twenty twelve, right, Yeah,
so we met we'd like he was in a band
and I wasn't, like we were both musicians are the
same scene. And then I met the other guys in
twenty twelve thirteen, became friends with them, and so we
all like started hanging out and jamming together since like
we weren't like a band yet, just figuring it out
(10:13):
in like twenty thirteen.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
It is truly okay, So I when I hear from
both of you guys, how do you make this band work?
Because it is truly y'allre all married, you're all fathers.
I love that y'all came in today and I was like,
I have to wait for Michael because.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Y'all know dad duty and you got a hand off.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yeah, just hand it off right before I came here,
So I get it.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Were you on it all morning?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (10:37):
What is dad doudy? Like, what do you guys do
with your kids? Because y'll both have it? Is it
exhausting for you? Do you do it every week?
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Yeah? Yeah, I keep the kids. If I don't have
a rider, I don't have anything that day, Usually I'll
keep them at home. We have daycare, so that's nice.
And then we also have my parents live in town,
so that's nice, so Ali has options when I'm on
the road. But yeah, I keep the kids a couple
times a week and usually it's just we'll either go
(11:04):
like the other day we went to a pool. We
went to my parents' pool.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
So that was nice because you got to find an
activity every day.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah, and so we also had our house cleaned a
couple of days ago because it's my son's birthday and
so it's like I cannot mess this house up before
family gets into town. So every morning it's like first thing,
you know, we wake up, get ready, let's go eat breakfast,
get some coffee, and then we're gonna walk just drive around.
So we're not going home.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
We're not gonnass it up.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yeah. For me, I built this cage in our basement
that I just throw them in.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
And how old are yours?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I don't know. No, No, they're four and a half
and one and a half and ages yeah time, No,
we just worldwide, you're all in sync? Are a worldwide
pandemic hit and we had a lot of time at home.
We're like, you know what, we should start families. I'll
give us something to do, something to write about. We
(11:58):
really did. We everyone in the band we all got
the same time, the same time. Yeah, I was the first, and.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Then all five of y'all four four.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Out of five of us are our fathers.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Yeah, all at the same time. So you all have
four year olds.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
So we have eight kids at this point. Let's see
three girls, three girls.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
That'd be five boys, five boys.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Yeah, I can't keep them all straight. Yeah, we need
to start a daycare business. Honestly, dude, as much as
I pay, it's like danger makes a lot of money.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
I was gonna say, yeah, same. I don't throw them
any caves in the basement. We like I had, I
had them last night. I'm a big activities I have,
even if it's like going to the store, like I'd
rather it sounds crazy, I'd rather like wrangle them in
a store than try to wrangle them in my house.
But like last night, literally, my wife it was her
she's slib birthday with all the girls, and so I
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had the kids and it was about twenty minutes before
I loaded them up and went to chuck e cheese. Yeah,
so we find something to do.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Okay, So where I was going with that? Y'all have
seen so much together. You guys have grown so much.
Y'all been in this for so long. It is marriage,
I mean. And also like y'all's wives are probably all married.
I mean, it's like I know, band life, Like we
are all up in each other's freaking life, like there
is no separation, so that could be very strenuous and
(13:21):
it is very difficult. And y'all have five personalities? How
do you make it work with each other? How have
y'all like, how would you describe each other's role and personality?
And then how do y'all make it work together? Because
it could be a very toxic relationship, which I'm assuming
it's not because y'all have been together so long.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
But maybe it is.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
But like, how do y'all manage all of because everyone
has an ego.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Y'all are all guys, y'are all talented. How do you
manage the egos?
Speaker 5 (13:50):
How do you manage the just like everybody not stepping
on each other's toes, knowing your value working together all that.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
At this point. It is kind of like a marriage
in the sense of like you know everyone's strengths and weaknesses,
and you know when not to push a button, when
to push a button, what's worth fighting for that sort
of thing. But I don't know, it's it's we kind
of just we just kind of just go.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Well, even like what just happened. I could answer the question,
TRIP could answer the call. I don't care, you know,
like whatever, like there, now here's the thing. If I
really wanted to say something like you kind of know,
like if I had the answered, I'm like, you know, hey,
this is how I feel. Now he can and you
kind of just learn as far as like the ego
things go, there are things worth standing your ground on.
(14:43):
But at the end of the day, you know you
have to compromise. And it's not we've never like taken
a vote, but you kind of just see where the
vibe is going, like say it's picking a song, or
say it's a studio moment. You know it's generally you know,
it's generally pretty even where someone will do something and
kind of look around and you can just tell, I
mean that's the thing. If we're not gonna like if
say I write a lyric or I like write a
(15:04):
hook or something. If everyone if more than one person
is like I don't know, it's like okay, you know what,
that's probably a good meter for whether or not that
is good enough. And I think that's actually where we
can be held accountable as opposed to a solo artist.
A solo artist, frankly, he's paying everyone to be there
and and you're they're the boss, and so it's kind
(15:24):
of hard, Like if he rips a guitar solo, it's
kind of hard for like the bass player that's there
for a session to be like, I don't know, I
didn't feel it. You know, that's a weird. So we
actually get to keep each other accountable, and I think
there's cool things in that. Then other than that is
I mean, we're also friends. And frankly, like my brother,
he does a lot of our video and media work,
and he'll come on the road and I think like
(15:44):
he wishes that we were we got along less because
it's make way better content. But on the road, we
all have our routines, we all have we have different personalities,
and that's actually a good thing because uh, Chandler likes
to wake up early and go to a coffee shop.
I like to sleep in, I like to stay up later.
I'm not gonna make Chandler stay up later, like that's
that's not his vibe. And he better not wake me
(16:04):
up to go to a coffee shop at six a m.
And just you know, just live your life and we
really just come together creatively. That's that's that's the biggest thing.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
So y'all really are your own person on the road,
Like y'all aren't like hanging out twenty four seven out there.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Now we'll do like say we like if we go golfing,
like now four out of five of us golf, so four,
you know, we'll go like that. But there's been times
where like tripping Jared one awake, it's like fifty five
degrees and to me, that's too cold to golf. So
like y'all knock yourself out, you know. And there's times
where after the show there might be a promoter or
something that wants to hang and I'm definitely the one
(16:52):
that's like, all right, like I'm gonna do this, like
I'm gonna and there's you know, Jared and Chandler maybe like, nah,
I'm not not into it, and it's just yeah, you
just live your life. I don't know you, and I
don't know food. Even if it's things like food, if
you're not feeling that, don't make a big fuss about it.
Just tell a tour manage like, hey, I'll just get
someone like DoorDash something I don't. It's there's just I
think the biggest thing is there are serious battles that
(17:15):
we have to that we have to fight.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Early morning flights that's one that we're constantly battling before
like hey, I got you on the six thirty, Like, no,
you did, and you're changing it now. I'm not waking up.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
But then what's hard is Chandler likes to be up
at three am to go get his flight. So that
But but they're battles that are like serious, like like
music industry decisions and like should we do this tour
or should we do our own? Should we you know,
when we're looking at record labels, should we do this
or that, Hey we're looking at management. There are long, long,
(17:49):
five hour meetings where we're going in circles. That's a
big deal and every that should be a knockdown drag
out like speak now forever, hold your peace. We have
to conserve your innerg Yeah, when that's at stake everything
else like yeah, and just be cool. Like if Jared's
leaving his socks around, like, dude, pick up your socks.
Pick and just it's it is like a marriage. It's like,
(18:10):
you know what, that is not worth That is not
where I need to plant my flag, Like I'll just
and it's things for me too. It's like, you know,
I'm also not super organized and clean, so I'll like
throw dirty clothes at the end of the bunk and
like make like a dirty laundry. If that starts spilling
into the bunk and someone's like, dude, you're it's like
my bad. Yeah, it doesn't bother me, but if it
bothers you, then that Like I do not want to
(18:33):
create a bad vibe because I don't care about If
you care, then all care about this and.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Way way mature guys.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Well, the road's hard enough as it is, you know
what I mean. I'm sure so tired and all that
pretty much ninety five percent of the time and family
at home, right, but there is there are certain things
worth fighting for, and then there are times where it's
like I don't care, just you get you kind of
get to a point if you did it long enough
to where it's like just kind of go with the flow,
(18:59):
you know, like you'll figure it out. It'll all get
figured out.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
And honestly, you have to conserve your energy because if
you're fighting, like you have these big decisions to make,
but then y'all aren't getting along off the road and
you're not like supporting each other and you're kind of
like your egos are fighting each other, then that's pure torture.
And that happens to a out of bands.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Yeah, that's I think that we've done it long enough
that it really is like even if I'm not feeling
where everyone wants to go to lunch, I'll just go
because because when you do speak up and it is like, hey,
I'm not vibing with this, you want to hold you
want there to be stake in that, And for me,
I would I would rather be like if it's a
musical thing, like I do not think that this song
(19:41):
and then this song are mapped are meshing well together
back to back in the set. I think we're losing
the crowd, Like, and I will argue if you disagreed,
then we're gonna have to have an argument because you know,
we're like this, this is important, Like the set's important,
so lunch. But it is I in marriages too, you know,
it's it is the you need to you need to
(20:03):
speak your mind because it can be you know, it's
get a divorce over the spilled milk. You know, it's
like it's not really about that. It's not really but
uh yeah, I don't know, pick your battles.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Do you guys think that being in advand has helped
your marriages?
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Well, I'll say this traveling has, I guess because it's
like when you're home, you're not. You don't get into
like the day to day routine that I think a
lot of couples do, and so, uh, distance kind of
makes the hot heart grow fonder. So it's like I
think when we're on the road, and we are pretty
much every week, you know, you get home, it's like,
(20:38):
oh I missed you, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
And the and there's also I think there's also being
in a band. I think it can help because.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Sugar trying to get in the door. You are upstairs
to the world, our world.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
It's my world, Time World.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, I know if you're a saying it really got.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Scratching at the door, little footprints running upstairs. Aren't these
the days? Though? That's what y'all single is about.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Right, that's the single. But yeah, we grew up together.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
We grew up together as a single and I brings
tears to my eye because it's kind of about like
these moments right here figuring it out.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah, yeah, and that's a and that's you know, when
you're saying you're mature, I can tell you right now.
I mean even now, we'll like cringe. We'll like tell
old stories sometimes and it'll start with laughing and then
it'll be like that was embarrassing because honestly, like that
was not actually cool that we did that, or that
we have this attitude here and there. But what happens
when you have a kid, and it is our song
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is about, is that you do. You're trying to make
them a good person. You're trying to grow them up
with these values and these morals. And so if you're
saying like, hey, you need to be patient, this isn't
the end of the world. Calm down, then you're thinking like,
oh my gosh, that was me if you like, I
needed to be told that a few hours ago. And
you're you realize you're on this journey together. As you're
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raising your kid and they're growing up, you're also growing
up in a in a different way.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
It really freaking knocks you to your knees, don't it.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
I mean I literally it has knocked me out. I've
had to do I have to have had to check
myself so hard. It sent me into like getting a
life coach when I was like thirty eight after I
had her, because I was like.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
What am I doing?
Speaker 5 (22:17):
I need to find myself worth and be fully confident
if I'm going to instill that. She does the same. Yeah,
man like points out your own personal struggles and flaws.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah. Absolutely, And I think I really encourage people like
you know, I uh, I've been dating my wife for
a long time. But I I don't want to say,
like I really dreamed of doing music. I knew that's
what I want to do, and then I met my
wife and you know, fell in love with her all
that stuff, but marriage wasn't something that my entire life.
I was like, and I think a lot of guys too,
Like I was like girls and they're young, like, you know,
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they'll write their last name.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Did guys like plan their wedding?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah, Like my little girl, she's four, she already does
that stuff. No way, Yeah, we're like my son, he
literally just you know, like when my daughter was like
almost two, she would take a baby doll and like
rock it and take care of it. He literally throws
it like into a basketball goal. So it's it's just
it's in. There's this thing instilled, and there's exceptions obviously,
but there's a thing where you know, Okay, I'm getting married,
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and I really encourage because it does. That's the first
step of being outside of yourself when you get married.
But then kids, here's a deal. You do decide in
a marriage, like if your wife, your husband, you know,
if you're if you're getting into it, you have to decide, Okay,
you know what, I'm gonna put my own feelings aside
and I'm going to compromise. With a child. You don't
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decide that they they're going to be pulling your leg,
They're going to be bought there. You are goat like
you don't have.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
To, but to be outside of yourself, like and you
have to learn how to regulate your nervous system because
it it makes you. For me, it's like knee jerk
reactions and you're like, oh shoot, like you said, I
like being patient, Like you got.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
To check yourself.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah, it's a thing where like my wife and I
we can disagree what we want to listen to on
the radio, and we can have some kind of compromise.
You know, I would rather listen to this on the
radio at the end of the day. Now I've got
two kids, I Am not going to win this fight.
We're just going to listen to like the Frozen soundtrack
or whatever it because it's just you know, and it
really is like and if you don't, at what cost.
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You know, it's like.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Your sanity, your peace.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
And so it's the thing where definitely, you know, having
kids it forces you to be outside of yourself, for sure.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
It does.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
I know.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Okay, So then now the pandemic's over, you guys scratch
your true second album and so now you're you're on
your I guess your third body of work, but your
second album, yeah, your second release album.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
How did that come about?
Speaker 5 (24:37):
How did you guys decide it was time to write this?
And I love this it's called We're going to make it,
because that feels like telling did y'all feel like you
weren'ting to make it at times? Like what struggles did
you guys have to go through these past five years?
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Because they were hard for me. I don't know if
they were hard for y'all, just name one.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yeah, I mean really we have. We've been through the gauntlet,
both professionally and personally, y'all.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Like y'all are at the peak? What happened after the peak?
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah? No, we were at the peak. Like my texting
circle was like Dirk Spentley, Marina Lambert, Luke Comb's like
Morgan Wallen was opening for us at the time. Yeah,
opening for us, and he like during the pandemic we
used to fish with him all the time and buddies
with him, and and then those people's lives like John
and TJ Brothers Osbourne, Like those people's lives kept going
(25:26):
and we stayed here and then actually start going backwards.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
So does that feel like because you were on the
same trajectory, yet they keep going and you go backwards?
How does that feel? Because that's a that's a that's
a big.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah it does. And it's and it's a lot of
what this album is about, because what it what it
does is it forces you to truly focus on like, okay,
kind when you talk about centering yourself and and finding
yourself worth? What is my life? What is my circle?
Who are my friends?
Speaker 5 (25:56):
What?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
And that's like there's a there's a song on the
record called Honey, I Lost my job too.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
I heard that. That's that one'srue story.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah, that's your record. Yeah, and that's no. Literally, I
remember coming down and it was when we had lost
our record deal and touring. They're like, hey, touring is
not gonna be happening for like at least a year realistically,
and that's where we get a lot of our income.
And I remember walking downstairs and telling my wife like, hey,
so I don't have a record deal anymore and we're
not touring and we had just bought a house and
just had a baby. And it's like and then you
(26:25):
realize that are you panicking? You are panicking? Well, but
here's here's the deal. You panic for a moment and
you go like, Okay, that's where we start realizing like, dude,
I love Dirks, but Dirk's is not here, right now
you know, and I love Luke, but Luke is not
like the Cmas. I love the Cmas. They're not here
right now, that record label, they're not all these people
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that you had built this relationship with, They're not here
on a Tuesday afternoon. You know who's here. My wife
is here, my daughter's here, God is here, my friends
are here, the guys in the band here, My good
buddy that lives across the street from me, he's here.
And you start realizing, like, okay, what is my life
and what is the foundation and the pillars that cannot
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be knocked over that have not or have not been
knocked over, and leaning on those that's really I think
what that moment did. And it's been really interesting because
we wrote an album from that valley and this perspective
of what it's like there and coming out of it,
and that's like the song We're Gonna Make, you know.
It talks about, you know, when we're hand in hand
on that hilltop, we'll be better off and know that
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we you know, grew from that moment and that we
we learned and we're better because of it. And it
came from from that mindset because that's what our life
has been and hasn't just been professional, because professional is
one thing. There's been sickness in our families, there's been
death in our families, there's been real life stuff that
make the professional stuff look like so minuscule, and so
(27:54):
all of that combined in the past few years and
realizing that what do you have. You have your family,
you have your faith, you have your support system, and
you have your music. That's what you've got and build
from that, and that's what the record's about, and that's
what that song we're going to make it is about.
And that's definitely the thread throughout the music that we've
been doing is being reflective on the lowest points that
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we've been and how we're coming out of them.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
So it really kind of gives you the perspective though
once you get through the absolute valley and you start
coming back up, you're kind of almost blessed. It's hard
to believe it that that happened, because if you don't
hit I know, for me and like our life and
our what we've gone through too, it's like when you
survive those kind of things together with the people that
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are there for you, and you really realize who you
are who you love, who loves you, where you're going
to pour your energy. And it's not that all the
other stuff isn't wonderful and like a blessing as well,
but it's like, oh my god, I just feel like
I look at Michael, my husband, and I'm like, I
am so proud of us, Like we have gone through
so much that I could never like you could never
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have that with someone else until you go through it, you.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Know, no, absolutely, And I think that that's a you know,
we're all, uh, we're religious guys, and I kind of
that word can be weird, but you know, we all
we're all Christians and and claim that. And I think that,
especially in the South, you can get a you know,
I can do all things through Christ, who strengthens me.
You can get it. And that's true. But when you
actually like look at the Bible. You see Joseph was
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in prison for seven years. You look at what it
actually means to be in allions Den, You look at
what it means to be in you know, enslaved things
to be in prison. You know Paul was writing these
letters from prison. You there's so much valley and so
much heartache in the Bible and you realize that through
it all that you know God is bringing you out
of that, and that he does bring you out of
that and meet him. Yeah, absolutely, and He's He's using
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that to craft you and to make you and to
give you this story. Because really, I'll be honest, like
even in like our music career, it's like it's a
really cool Hollywood movie kind of story that you know,
we start a band, I meet a working a job,
he invites us over. I met him working concessions at
bridge Stone Arena, literally working on a hot dog stand,
(30:08):
and I met the producer and Jay Joyce and he
we swapped numbers and went over to the studio and
he signed to a publishing deal, and then we made
an album. We got a record deal and our first
albums and on one album and we're just like hitting it.
But I'll be honest, that is like not extremely relatable.
Like a lot of the love stories and the stuff
that's on that album, those are relatable. But I think
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that now being able to, you know, whatever good comes
from this album and this music that we're making, to
be able to say like, hey, this was this was
made out of some of the lowest points in our life.
And we are still keeping our eyes focused on the
things that are important, and we're keeping our heads up,
and we're relying on each other and our faith. You know,
that's it means a lot more. And I think that
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sometimes God uses that to give you your story to
relate to people and to love people even better.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
And to add to that, you know, I think through
some of like the worst times of the band, like
going through that entire process, there were I think a
lot all of us had to figure out how to
have joy, you know what I mean, Like because if
you just if you're just as happy as your career
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is doing, especially in music, you won't be happy for long.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
That is so terrible if you're happiness depends on your success.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
But I think a lot of us figured out, you know,
through our relationship with God and through our community, you know,
through what he's talking about. When the dust settles and
everyone's gone that you knew and you've got your crew,
then it's like, okay, let's let's be happy that we
even get to make music. Let's be happy with the
music that we're making. Let's be happy that we have
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families and homes and you know, still make a salary
playing music. It's like, let's keep in mind that although
we may not be what where we thought we should be,
we're still here and so and and it's important to
love our families and love our kids and be happy
with that, not necessarily like trying to, you know, check
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another bucket list off the music career.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
That is so profound, and I feel like that is
the whole point of this entire life, you know. I
feel like we're all given dreams and we all have
all these obstacles to go through, but it's like the
whole goal is to get to this because it's like
I've interviewed so many people now on this podcast, and
every single person has a Valet story, if not multiple,
you know, that are awful and some of them so traumatic,
(32:33):
and it's like everybody has it, and it's like, Okay,
you get to what you're saying, how do we be happy?
If we can't be happy, then what is it? And
happiness comes from what you guys are talking about. You
have to get to that place where it's like, Okay,
this is what's in my soul, this is the true
happiness is and that sometimes is the hardest thing to learn.
(32:55):
But then when you go through it, You're like, oh
my god, Now Noah can take that away from you.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
And you see that in real life, and it really
is like you, Okay, like that show, we sold thirty
five tickets. I can promise right now my daughter could
care less whether I sold thirty five tickets or thirty
five thousand tickets. What is my temperament that day? What
is the love that I'm giving to my life that day? Yeah?
What was the love I was giving to her?
Speaker 5 (33:16):
You know?
Speaker 2 (33:17):
And so when you realize that that is and that's
really what life is with everybody. That's and I haven't
tell when you know, if we get new crew or
something like that, I tell everyone like, hey, I really
want you to treat people well. To to treat the
hands here into hands or like crew people at venues,
for anyone listening, to treat the staff here well. Because
at the end of the day, maybe someone will remember
(33:38):
a song or two, but the reality is people remember
how you treated them and how good you were to them.
That's what is the lasting impact you have on people.
And so it's so much bigger than music. Music. It's
a wonderful thing and it's a beautiful thing, and we
get to impact people. But really the metrics that Nashville
or the industry can set those are literally just on
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a piece of paper for ortally reports. They're not really
measures of anything outside of that. And so you really
have to look deeper than that. And it's an important
thing that you know, we've.
Speaker 6 (34:09):
Learned guys, y'all are so wise. Oh I don't know
that we're dropping wisdom.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
We're sharpened by fire.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
But you know that's the only way to do it
is to go through it.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
Now that you have so much wisdom, nobody can take
from you. You know, like that what y'all know, you
can't teach it in a class, know.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
That I'm wise. I'm going to start selling insurance.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Actually, maybe you can't teach it in a class. I'm
going to start a class master class.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Actually, people probably learn it from you because you've been there.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
You know what if y'all did just like share everything
you know so then like people are going to skip
through a.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Book one day you heard it here first.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
But it is true though, like you really like once
you go through that, you can't you can't money can't
buy that.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
You also start to realize, like with this career specifically,
there success is such a weird thing because in music
it's not a tangible thing. It's a collection of moments.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
So like that is so true.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
You might sell three thousand tickets one night and we've
done that this year, and the next night there might
be three or four hundred people, and you're like, well,
it's what's going on? Like it's not like we show
up every day and the building's bigger, you know what
I mean, Like we own the office, the office is nicer,
we have more employees.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
You don't.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
You can't like see the growth. It's not like a
tangible thing.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Yeah, And I remember what sorry no, I was on
that point. I remember there was an artist that I
was talking. This is years ago, and this act had
just want a CMA and we were on tour them
in the next day. There weren't more. There wasn't like paparazzi.
There wasn't And I remember them talking like man, I
was talking to my manager and just saying like I
(36:06):
thought things would be different, you know. They ended up
having to fly for like a radio show, and literally
two days later after wearing CMA, were playing in a
like a pizza shop and trying to sing over people
serving cal Zones and he is Sella's manager. You know,
I just thought things would be different. The manager said
something that I think is so true and I still
hold this day, is you know, and this manager has
has managed huge acts that have had lifelong careers. It's like,
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you know, your career in music, it's a puzzle, and
every CMA, every concert ticket, every spin, every T shirt
you sell, they're just these little pieces put in the
puzzle and one day you're gonna look back and you'll
see it. You'll see it, but it's your beaul. Yeah,
but you're never gonna just see that. It's very it's
near impossible that one piece is gonna be like now
(36:50):
the puzzle is complete. It's like, no, You're just gonna
keep putting pieces in there, and then one day you'll
look back and see what your life was and what
your career was, and it was it's a beautiful work
of art.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Has success changed for you guys?
Speaker 6 (37:01):
Like?
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Was it once one thing and now it's something different?
Speaker 3 (37:05):
No, we all got Seed's already, honestly, So the our
entire goal as a band for about six or seven
years from when we started was to get Seed's.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Why I don't funny.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Yeah, because you ain't never seen anyone frowning on a
jet ski.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yeah, that's where it started.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Yeah, anytime we were down, we're like, man, they say
money camp by happiness. Fan's never seen anyone frowning on
a jet ski. We're like, well, if we just get
jet skis one day, we'll all be happy.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
So that was a goal.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Now we have to move the goalpost. We haven't figured
out what that goalpost is yet. But jet skis were
the uh that was the ladder we were trying to climb.
So yeah, I don't I don't know that music or
success has changed us. I think our families and our
kids have like I you know, when you have kids,
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like we talked about, I think you start to realize
what really important. And so I think that has definitely
changed us. But again, success in music, it really is
so weird. It's like you'll do three thousand tickets and
play a radio show at a pizza place.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Yeah, and it's ever And as far as like what
our definition of success is, there's also an aspect where
it's I if I want to get like not all
like mushy, gushy wisdom, profound, like I still want to
sell tickets. I still want to hit big numbers. I
still will look at streaming numbers and be like, oh,
what do we got it? And I will spend hours
on the phone what do we got to do? On socials?
Speaker 3 (38:32):
What do we got?
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Because I want to win. But there's this dichotomy of
the reason for that. The reason that I want to
keep surviving and keep making music and keep being my
job is because I want a big single, I want
a big song, but it's because I've seen the personal
impact that music has on people and I want to
be a part of that. We did a thing with
Saint Jude not too long ago, and you know, you
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go play with the kids and we have a song
called Where I Belong. Where I Belong. It's not a
single right now, it's not a hit. It hasn't been
played on a single station. It's it's just a song
on the record and there's a music video for it,
and I love the song, but it's not a song
that by national standards. You would never for what that
song is done. You would never get a high five,
you'd never get a drink, but before you know, would
(39:14):
say congrats and pat your back because of where I
belong right now. But when we went to Saint Jude,
you know, there was this little girl who had been
diagnosed with cancer and she was undergoing chemo and radiation
and the mom said, hey, she's too embarrassed, she's too shy.
I tell you this, But your song where I belong,
that's like our pump up anthem for radiation, and like
that song has just been our anthem. And so that
(39:35):
right there, it's like, Okay, we gotta keep going. We
got then, we got, we gotta get these streaming numbers up,
we got, we gotta get these two because this is
what our music does to people. And we gotta keep
fighting this fight because it has an impact on people.
So there's this there's this world that's like ven diagram,
this yin and yang where like they combine. Where it's
like the tenacity and the fierceness that you have to
(39:57):
approach the music industry with because you do. You have to.
It is not a game. You better. Anyone wanted to
do this industry, You better come with your gloves on,
ready to fight. Fight, yes, but the reason you better
be doing that because you're gonna get hit so many times,
better be because there's something in the back of your
mind that's bigger than just the hits you take. It's
it's the impact that you have on people.
Speaker 5 (40:19):
I'm just gonna call it right now. I think you
guys are about to blow up. But not just because
y'all aren't already so great and who haven't before? But this,
like this is what the world needs. Is not just
the great music, but you'll have the great music, and
there is such a story with you guys behind it,
Like you guys are so impactful, just the humans that
y'all are, the way you've been chipped away at, how
you have chosen to grow and get closer to God
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and like grow through these valleys, Like this is what
people truly need more than anything. We've tried everything else.
I feel like the world has tried everything. Yeah, and
we're finally at the point where we're like, Okay, we
don't get to the truth of what really actually matters
at life and have people in a spotlight also preaching
that because it didn't used to be. People Wren is like,
I'll open about this stuff back in the day, but
(41:02):
I think mental health is so real. People are so broken.
It's like, Okay, what is actually the way to happiness.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Yeah, yeah, no, I think that, I think everyone, and
I think technology is kind of fast tracked this path
to everyone hitting a breaking point because the technology we
have now, you can get anything you want on your doorstep,
you can see anything you want to see, you can
have access to any knowledge. And people are still they're
more broken than ever and that is that's a huge
(41:32):
question mark as to why. And I think that it's
because you know, you can't keep going in the same
path we've gonehere. It's like, you know, just this and
trust me. I love to have fun. I love a
good Friday night. I love drinking a cold beer with
the people that I love. But behind that, it's okay,
But why is that such a great thing? And why
do we have this fun? And what when there's a
breaking point? What do we lean on? I think there's
(41:53):
such awareness now of and I think people are trying
to find it. And you know, I'm willing at any
moment to share our story and share what we know
and what we've been through. And you know, we're all
on this journey together mankind, we're all humanity, we're all
trying to figure it out together. And yeah, anything that
I can take from our story and how we've recovered
and how we've put the pieces back together to try
and be a light. I think people need a light
(42:14):
right now and any way that we can try and
point people towards that light.
Speaker 4 (42:19):
Yeah, we're here for freaking love it. Okay, So tell
us everything we need to know about what's going on
with you guys, where we can find your music, what
you're most looking forward to for the rest of this year.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Yeah. So, you know, we just put out this album
call We're Gonna Make It. And if you've liked anything
you've heard in this conversation, there's a soundtrack to it,
and it is this album, and it's all there, and
there's a lot you know, it's not this has been
a heavy conversations. There's a lot of light, hardness and
fun because that's a lot of life and I think
that having fun is a blessing and the little moments
are huge blessing. We write about those two. But you know,
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we're out supporting that album. We're touring, really like seriously
touring for the first time in years. We have our
first single to country radio in five years.
Speaker 5 (42:57):
Okay, So how is touring and how's the single, How
does it Feel Feels good?
Speaker 2 (43:01):
It's been. It's been crazy, Like we just did our
first show with the radio station last week and it's
our first time doing that in like five years. And
it's been really cool to see that people still connect
with us and are still there and that we can
still bring that. Two shows and two radio stations. You know,
we're really loving it and we're getting back out to
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the fans. And yeah, it's just been it's been. It's
felt like a homecoming.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
You know.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
It hasn't been like a, oh yeah, y'all, it's been
aware have y'all been. I've missed y'all, and so it
really is. I don't know, touring has kind of felt
like a homecoming and and it's been so much fun.
So we've been we're supporting that album then our singles
called we Grew Up Together, and yeah, it's just the
journey of of you know, parenthood. And I tell people,
even if they don't have kids, you know, we all
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came from somewhere and you know this song. If you
don't have kids, you know, think about your parents and
understand that, you know, whatever your situation was, your parents
hopefully they did the best they could and that, but
they were trying to figure it out and they were
growing up too, and so it's been fun to be
singing that song on the road and yeah.
Speaker 5 (44:02):
Back at it heck yeah okay, And then following you guys,
is just Lanco Yeah, l.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
A n CEO Lanco and Landco music is like I
think I don't know, you know, funny people ask that's like,
I don't know. I don't ever google us. I'm pretty sure.
I'm ninety nine percent sure it's Landco music dot com.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
And Lanco hopefully Lanco band or something on Google. You
can find everything, yeah, hopefully have a good es Like
y'all don't know your stuff.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
That's what we pay you for. Ths man. Well, yeah,
Lanco music, Landco band. I mean if yeah, you know
how to find it someone. Yeah, I believe in you.
Whoever's listening to.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
This, You guys are amazing.
Speaker 5 (44:44):
I'm so just excited for y'all in so many ways,
but mainly just like who y'all are as people.
Speaker 4 (44:49):
Y'all are really great people. That's awesome, And y'all are
a great band.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
We did it, We did it. We fooled them all. No,
thank you. I feel you know, these podcast things are
so weird because I in the real world, after every
one of these questions, I would ask you a question
about your life and yourself, but you end up talking
so much about yourself. But thanks for having us, and
thanks for thanks for letting us share our story.
Speaker 4 (45:12):
I love it. Okay.
Speaker 5 (45:13):
So I always ripe up with leave your Light, and
it's just super open ended. What do you want people
to know? Just drop some inspiration?
Speaker 3 (45:21):
Uh, what do I want people to know? There's more
to life than money?
Speaker 4 (45:27):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (45:28):
Well, we talked about family, it's God, it's community and
all and frankly, like some of the best days are
the slow mornings where it's like you walk outside, you
drink a cup of coffee, and you just sit in
your yard and let the sun and the breeze hit
you know, like sometimes that's like better than playing a
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sold out show. So it's like it's there's there's more
to life than you know, all of the things that
I think we tend to get caught up in.
Speaker 4 (45:56):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Oh yeah, my turn. No, I mean it really is
kind of what the theme of this whole conversation has been.
But you know, we're in a world right now where
it's very easy. It's so crazy. But somehow, with all
the access to information we have, people feel more isolated
than ever. And so I always encourage people to know
that that you are not alone. For some reason, you
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just get on these phones and start scrolling, and that
makes by seeing more, you feel more alone. And so
I always tell people you know you are not alone.
There is somebody in your life that loves you. Lean
on that person. And ultimately, I do believe there's a
God that loves you. And as weird as it sounds,
you don't have to know what that means. Lean into
that and you'll be okay. And I love you.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
I believe in you. Ah, you guys, we got to
hear yours now.
Speaker 5 (46:48):
I love everything we talked about. I think too, Like
it is so powerful when you do go into those
valleys and when someone's I would say, if you are
in a valley right now, or if you're like heading
towards one, do not be afraid. But like you said,
lean on people who love you, lean on things that
you know are good for your soul, because you will
make it through and you're gonna be such a better person.
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But it sucks so hard while you're in it like awful,
but yet that is what truly it's like, that is
the fire you're saying, like made by fire or whatever.
That is how you get made into who you're supposed
to be. And so it's really beautiful like talking to
you guys, seeing y'all on the other side of that fire,
because I know y'all went through it, like even just
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hearing 'all story right now, but you hung in there
and you didn't like totally let yourself get destroyed by it.
You didn't become a victim. You're not mad at everybody. Instead,
you like come full circle and like gott into a
place in yourself where it's all about you and having
peace within your own self, and you get that through
going through the fire. So I just think, don't give
up in the fire.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (47:50):
Emen, Thank y'all for joining. Can y'all stick around for
like five minutes to do with your questions?
Speaker 5 (47:54):
To drop your questions? Okay, Brandon and trip from Lanco.
Speaker 4 (47:58):
This was so fun. No are the best? Thank you you.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
Sundays Fundays Fundaysday
Adam Adam.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Carry line.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
She's a queen and talking and you saw him, you
know she's getting really.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Not afraid to fing this episode, soul.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Just let it flow.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
No one can do we.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Quiet cary line.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Is sound for Caroline.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Well, I'm really excited to be here with two fifths
of Lanco.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Two fifths. What is that percent? It's forty percent?
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Now, Brandon, just get ready to hand the mic over
because y'are on one mic too.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
We are we sharing, We can get real close and
do it.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
What are we going to do when you need to
talk though? Are you just gonna do that? You're gonna
be it, Brandon.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
I'm just gonna grab it out of give me the mic.
It is my turn on guys.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
This podcast is called Get Real and so that's all
it is. I have a setup for two mics and
I'm so happy Trip is here.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
That was a pleasant surprise.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Press the party. I was like, I'm not getting left
out of this.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I'll say too. We just came from the ACMs where
you do like the remotes, and it's literally like seventy
interviews in a day, and most of those stations have
a mic, and there's all five of us. So we're
pretty we're pretty good at passing on my ground.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
That's crazy. All five.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
I can't believe y'all have five five And you said
y'all have been basically five the whole time.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, we were five for five four three. No, we
were five for about, I guess eight years, like professionally
doing it eight years, and then lost the original guitar
player to the real world.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
It was time to go to the real world, because
they do go by the wayside. I mean, you know,
it's like you can only hang in there so long. Yeah,
I mean, do you think that breaking point is though,
when you break it? You know, because like you probably
hung in there.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
A long time. I think the breaking point was so
after the pandemic, you know, we were rocking. We can
get in all this later if you want, but or
I don't know what you want to talk about, but
we see where it goes.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah we uh.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
We put out our debut album in twenty eighteen, and it,
like you know, debuted at number one and No. One
album and tour in the world and doing the whole thing.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
And The Greatest Love Story was like five times platinum, right, Yeah, yes,
that was five million, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Five million in the and then we had Born to
Love You off that record. We had a few songs
off that record did really well and set us up
to tour around the world, and you know, we were rocking,
and then pandemic happens and that was when just a
bunch of change for everyone in the world and especially
in the entertainment.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
No, we're selling out like big rooms, right, yeah, yeah,
we were.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
So in the top of twenty twenty, we were doing
a headlining tour. We were alternating weekends, we do a
headlining tour, and we were doing anywhere from like one
two to like four thousand tickets, you know, like years. Yeah, headlining,
that's where you were.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
That's what y'all were doing before COVID hit.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, and then we were also on the road that
same tour out with Mirana Lambert, so we'd like we'd
go with her and then we'd go to our own
weekend and kind of go back and forth. So once
pandemic hit, you know, we're home. And that really was
like a year and a half of just sitting home.
And then so when we came back on the road,
even at you know, twenty twenty one, even going in
twenty twenty two things were still weird and different. You'd
play some shows where it was totally cool, and then
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some shows where like they had you know, seating restrictions
and it was just still weird vibes. And then just
on on our own front, you know, trying we got
a new record deal and record new music and you're
kind of rebuilding.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
You feel like y'all kind of like stalled for not stalled,
but just like were parked for like a couple of years.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Question did that was that hard?
Speaker 5 (03:32):
Because I feel like for bands like you guys and
even my husband A thousand horses, it's like there was
this huge surge that was happening with y'all and then
y'all are all momentums moving in the right direction and
then literally it just gets like knocked out from under you.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
And so it's like y'all were still so new. Did
you feel like you had.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Time to like build the the roots that you needed
with the fans or did it like did you kind
of have to like get back in there remind everybody
because it was, yeah, stop so sudden.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
No.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I mean there's a few questions there. One is yeah,
it definitely, I mean it hit us hard, like it's
it definitely. I mean, yeah, there were times where it
truly was like the lowest of lows, because these are dreams.
You have the dream of dream music, like I've had
it my whole life, and true, you know, since you're
a kid, you have this dream and to actually piece
it together and get the right doors to open the
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right time and to walk through them and to have
it worked, to have songs connect is so difficult. And
so when that's gone, to think like, oh, literally, can
lightning strike twice kind of thing? Is that gonna happen.
The one thing that I think helps is being in
a band that you our friendships were solidified. We've been
friends since college, so I think that even when things
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were going wrong or things were bad, we could all
hang out and complain about together and laugh together and
cry together. And I will say, going all the way back,
circling back to like even with the guitar player, I
think the breaking point really was just if you're not
having fun anymore, you know, if you go on the
road and you know, everyone will have a bad day,
but you can lean on the other guys. You can
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lean on the other guys and kind of you know,
get through it, but I got I think it got
to a point where, you know, for everyone has their time,
and it just became not fun anymore. And this and
you know a lot of times you're just you're chilling
all day and you wait for that show. If that
sixty minutes or ninety minutes, if that's not fun anymore,
then it is hard to do it. And so I
think that was part of it. But it definitely when
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we went back out, it was hard. It was like, Okay,
do we still have fans? Did we build that foundation?
And it was hard because you didn't know, because say,
there was one show that like literally I think thirty
five people showed up, like half the pandemic and we
were like, oh my.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Gosh, yes, like humbling or does that just.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Like knock that It's it's not humbling wouldn't be the
right word. It's it's more like, it's more like, I mean, really,
it's like getting in a car wreck and I'm not
trying to like I've been in car resy and it's
that thing when you get I remember, like get I
totaled one of my cars. When you get out of
it and you're thinking is this real? Because there's this
like dream saying like, Okay, I've heard about this, I've
(06:02):
seen this, but like this didn't just happen to me.
And you get out and the smoke clearsally like this
really happened.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
This.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
My car is totaled. I went from selling three thousand
tickets to thirty five people showed up. But then after
the show, we walked off stage and the promoter gave
me a huge hug and.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
He had like tears in his eyes. Yeah, he was
so exciting.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
He goes, this is the most tickets we've done since
the pandemic. So it was like, okay, so what's going on?
Is this? The venue? Is this? The city was up
north and they were very strict up there, and it's like, hey,
so who do people like us? Or or are they
still there? Are they not coming? Or is it a
And it was a little bit of everything. You know,
it's been a minute since you've been out there and
you've been hot. But then also the world was still weird.
(06:43):
I'll say, we just got done with a tour for
our we put out our second album. We just got
done with that tour, and that really we haven't had
a song on the radio, we haven't had a quote hit.
But we've had millions of streams since then, and so
you you go, okay, like we're filling rooms again. You know,
we're seeing a thousand to two thousand, and you're like, okay,
that's without radio, that's without like a ton of playlists
(07:06):
or anything like that. That's just our fans hearing the
record and showing up. So I think finally we feel
like our feed are under us again and that thing
that we built is has come full circle. But yeah,
it's been a it's been a wild ride.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
And two, I think we've had to rebuild our entire
team from you know, booking to management, to label to
That's not like a this is done tomorrow process. That's
like you go to so many dinners, you got to
so many meetings, you let's keep talking, let's continue this conversation.
Then eventually you find the one that you know believes
in you and does that. Then it takes them about
(07:40):
six months to kind of dig their teeth in to
get everything going again. And so it's like there's constantly this, Uh,
it took so much time, and then it was like
we got to make the record, So it just took
so much time to even get to where we could feel.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Like our feeder, we had a we had a second record,
like our debutt came out in twenty eighteen. We had
a second record, Central Le in twenty twenty.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Did you scratch that one and do a new one? Yes,
you just threw it away?
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Well not, but so we that Sony owned that record, okay,
and it was we did it with Dan Huff and
Jay Joyce.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
I mean that's that's huge.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah, And but the tough thing is, you know, once
like we have the you have the option with those things. Okay,
you can like essentially buy the masters back, like you
can get it. But the tough thing now you're going
twenty twenty two, twenty three, it's been now like three
or four years since you wrote and recorded those songs,
and now you're at a different place in life and
you're like, Okay, now our fans have been waiting for
an album, and none of this reflects who we are
(08:35):
in this moment, and so we're gonna be giving our
fans an album and they're gonna think like, oh, here's
Lanco and it's like, yeah, that was Lanko in like
twenty nineteen when we wrote and record that song is
twenty twenty two to twenty three, so we kind of
had to start over with that too.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Were there any songs that like broke your Heart say
Goodbye to.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Not really, we kept a couple of them, like which
ones that we loved Memories you didn't know we're making.
We recut that class I was just kind of written
in that era.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Well that was after that? Was that? Yeah, that was
the only one that's from that era is called Memories.
Didn't know we were making. And I don't know though,
some of those songs came out like what I see
near Missus first Beer, like we because you know how
you like release songs leading up to a record, So
we had released like three or four of our favorite
so the ones that we like, love the most on
that record came out anyways, and then the rest of
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them were even sonically, you know, twenty nineteen is a
very different time than even in those four or five years,
just sonically things are different and we had changed sonically.
So now I was, honestly, I was a little relieved
to not have to play some of those songs anymore.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
Isn't it wild? Like just this whole journey, especially y'all
being a band.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
So, how long have like you guys been together? Like,
how long is like most of y'all been together as together?
Speaker 2 (09:51):
We've been friends since we met in twenty twelve, right, Yeah,
so we met we'd like he was in a band
and I wasn't, like we were both musicians are the
same scene. And then I met the other guys in
twenty twelve thirteen, became friends with them, and so we
all like started hanging out and jamming together since like
we weren't like a band yet, just figuring it out
(10:13):
in like twenty thirteen.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
It is truly okay, So I when I hear from
both of you guys, how do you make this band work?
Because it is truly y'allre all married, you're all fathers.
I love that y'all came in today and I was like,
I have to wait for Michael because.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Y'all know dad duty and you got a hand off.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yeah, just hand it off right before I came here,
So I get it.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Were you on it all morning?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (10:37):
What is dad doudy? Like, what do you guys do
with your kids? Because y'll both have it? Is it
exhausting for you? Do you do it every week?
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Yeah? Yeah, I keep the kids. If I don't have
a rider, I don't have anything that day, Usually I'll
keep them at home. We have daycare, so that's nice.
And then we also have my parents live in town,
so that's nice, so Ali has options when I'm on
the road. But yeah, I keep the kids a couple
times a week and usually it's just we'll either go
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like the other day we went to a pool. We
went to my parents' pool.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
So that was nice because you got to find an
activity every day.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah, and so we also had our house cleaned a
couple of days ago because it's my son's birthday and
so it's like I cannot mess this house up before
family gets into town. So every morning it's like first thing,
you know, we wake up, get ready, let's go eat breakfast,
get some coffee, and then we're gonna walk just drive around.
So we're not going home.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
We're not gonnass it up.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yeah. For me, I built this cage in our basement
that I just throw them in.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
And how old are yours?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I don't know. No, No, they're four and a half
and one and a half and ages yeah time, No,
we just worldwide, you're all in sync? Are a worldwide
pandemic hit and we had a lot of time at home.
We're like, you know what, we should start families. I'll
give us something to do, something to write about. We
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really did. We everyone in the band we all got
the same time, the same time. Yeah, I was the first, and.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Then all five of y'all four four.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Out of five of us are our fathers.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Yeah, all at the same time. So you all have
four year olds.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
So we have eight kids at this point. Let's see
three girls, three girls.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
That'd be five boys, five boys.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Yeah, I can't keep them all straight. Yeah, we need
to start a daycare business. Honestly, dude, as much as
I pay, it's like danger makes a lot of money.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
I was gonna say, yeah, same. I don't throw them
any caves in the basement. We like I had, I
had them last night. I'm a big activities I have,
even if it's like going to the store, like I'd
rather it sounds crazy, I'd rather like wrangle them in
a store than try to wrangle them in my house.
But like last night, literally, my wife it was her
she's slib birthday with all the girls, and so I
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had the kids and it was about twenty minutes before
I loaded them up and went to chuck e cheese. Yeah,
so we find something to do.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Okay, So where I was going with that? Y'all have
seen so much together. You guys have grown so much.
Y'all been in this for so long. It is marriage,
I mean. And also like y'all's wives are probably all married.
I mean, it's like I know, band life, Like we
are all up in each other's freaking life, like there
is no separation, so that could be very strenuous and
(13:21):
it is very difficult. And y'all have five personalities? How
do you make it work with each other? How have
y'all like, how would you describe each other's role and personality?
And then how do y'all make it work together? Because
it could be a very toxic relationship, which I'm assuming
it's not because y'all have been together so long.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
But maybe it is.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
But like, how do y'all manage all of because everyone
has an ego.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Y'all are all guys, y'are all talented. How do you
manage the egos?
Speaker 5 (13:50):
How do you manage the just like everybody not stepping
on each other's toes, knowing your value working together all that.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
At this point. It is kind of like a marriage
in the sense of like you know everyone's strengths and weaknesses,
and you know when not to push a button, when
to push a button, what's worth fighting for that sort
of thing. But I don't know, it's it's we kind
of just we just kind of just go.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Well, even like what just happened. I could answer the question,
TRIP could answer the call. I don't care, you know,
like whatever, like there, now here's the thing. If I
really wanted to say something like you kind of know,
like if I had the answered, I'm like, you know, hey,
this is how I feel. Now he can and you
kind of just learn as far as like the ego
things go, there are things worth standing your ground on.
(14:43):
But at the end of the day, you know you
have to compromise. And it's not we've never like taken
a vote, but you kind of just see where the
vibe is going, like say it's picking a song, or
say it's a studio moment. You know it's generally you know,
it's generally pretty even where someone will do something and
kind of look around and you can just tell, I
mean that's the thing. If we're not gonna like if
say I write a lyric or I like write a
(15:04):
hook or something. If everyone if more than one person
is like I don't know, it's like okay, you know what,
that's probably a good meter for whether or not that
is good enough. And I think that's actually where we
can be held accountable as opposed to a solo artist.
A solo artist, frankly, he's paying everyone to be there
and and you're they're the boss, and so it's kind
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of hard, Like if he rips a guitar solo, it's
kind of hard for like the bass player that's there
for a session to be like, I don't know, I
didn't feel it. You know, that's a weird. So we
actually get to keep each other accountable, and I think
there's cool things in that. Then other than that is
I mean, we're also friends. And frankly, like my brother,
he does a lot of our video and media work,
and he'll come on the road and I think like
(15:44):
he wishes that we were we got along less because
it's make way better content. But on the road, we
all have our routines, we all have we have different personalities,
and that's actually a good thing because uh, Chandler likes
to wake up early and go to a coffee shop.
I like to sleep in, I like to stay up later.
I'm not gonna make Chandler stay up later, like that's
that's not his vibe. And he better not wake me
(16:04):
up to go to a coffee shop at six a m.
And just you know, just live your life and we
really just come together creatively. That's that's that's the biggest thing.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
So y'all really are your own person on the road,
Like y'all aren't like hanging out twenty four seven out there.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Now we'll do like say we like if we go golfing,
like now four out of five of us golf, so four,
you know, we'll go like that. But there's been times
where like tripping Jared one awake, it's like fifty five
degrees and to me, that's too cold to golf. So
like y'all knock yourself out, you know. And there's times
where after the show there might be a promoter or
something that wants to hang and I'm definitely the one
(16:52):
that's like, all right, like I'm gonna do this, like
I'm gonna and there's you know, Jared and Chandler maybe like, nah,
I'm not not into it, and it's just yeah, you
just live your life. I don't know you, and I
don't know food. Even if it's things like food, if
you're not feeling that, don't make a big fuss about it.
Just tell a tour manage like, hey, I'll just get
someone like DoorDash something I don't. It's there's just I
think the biggest thing is there are serious battles that
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we have to that we have to fight.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Early morning flights that's one that we're constantly battling before
like hey, I got you on the six thirty, Like, no,
you did, and you're changing it now. I'm not waking up.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
But then what's hard is Chandler likes to be up
at three am to go get his flight. So that
But but they're battles that are like serious, like like
music industry decisions and like should we do this tour
or should we do our own? Should we you know,
when we're looking at record labels, should we do this
or that, Hey we're looking at management. There are long, long,
(17:49):
five hour meetings where we're going in circles. That's a
big deal and every that should be a knockdown drag
out like speak now forever, hold your peace. We have
to conserve your innerg Yeah, when that's at stake everything
else like yeah, and just be cool. Like if Jared's
leaving his socks around, like, dude, pick up your socks.
Pick and just it's it is like a marriage. It's like,
(18:10):
you know what, that is not worth That is not
where I need to plant my flag, Like I'll just
and it's things for me too. It's like, you know,
I'm also not super organized and clean, so I'll like
throw dirty clothes at the end of the bunk and
like make like a dirty laundry. If that starts spilling
into the bunk and someone's like, dude, you're it's like
my bad. Yeah, it doesn't bother me, but if it
bothers you, then that Like I do not want to
(18:33):
create a bad vibe because I don't care about If
you care, then all care about this and.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Way way mature guys.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Well, the road's hard enough as it is, you know
what I mean. I'm sure so tired and all that
pretty much ninety five percent of the time and family
at home, right, but there is there are certain things
worth fighting for, and then there are times where it's
like I don't care, just you get you kind of
get to a point if you did it long enough
to where it's like just kind of go with the flow,
(18:59):
you know, like you'll figure it out. It'll all get
figured out.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
And honestly, you have to conserve your energy because if
you're fighting, like you have these big decisions to make,
but then y'all aren't getting along off the road and
you're not like supporting each other and you're kind of
like your egos are fighting each other, then that's pure torture.
And that happens to a out of bands.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Yeah, that's I think that we've done it long enough
that it really is like even if I'm not feeling
where everyone wants to go to lunch, I'll just go
because because when you do speak up and it is like, hey,
I'm not vibing with this, you want to hold you
want there to be stake in that, And for me,
I would I would rather be like if it's a
musical thing, like I do not think that this song
(19:41):
and then this song are mapped are meshing well together
back to back in the set. I think we're losing
the crowd, Like, and I will argue if you disagreed,
then we're gonna have to have an argument because you know,
we're like this, this is important, Like the set's important,
so lunch. But it is I in marriages too, you know,
it's it is the you need to you need to
(20:03):
speak your mind because it can be you know, it's
get a divorce over the spilled milk. You know, it's
like it's not really about that. It's not really but
uh yeah, I don't know, pick your battles.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Do you guys think that being in advand has helped
your marriages?
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Well, I'll say this traveling has, I guess because it's
like when you're home, you're not. You don't get into
like the day to day routine that I think a
lot of couples do, and so, uh, distance kind of
makes the hot heart grow fonder. So it's like I
think when we're on the road, and we are pretty
much every week, you know, you get home, it's like,
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oh I missed you, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
And the and there's also I think there's also being
in a band. I think it can help because.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Sugar trying to get in the door. You are upstairs
to the world, our world.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
It's my world, Time World.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, I know if you're a saying it really got.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Scratching at the door, little footprints running upstairs. Aren't these
the days? Though? That's what y'all single is about.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Right, that's the single. But yeah, we grew up together.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
We grew up together as a single and I brings
tears to my eye because it's kind of about like
these moments right here figuring it out.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah, yeah, and that's a and that's you know, when
you're saying you're mature, I can tell you right now.
I mean even now, we'll like cringe. We'll like tell
old stories sometimes and it'll start with laughing and then
it'll be like that was embarrassing because honestly, like that
was not actually cool that we did that, or that
we have this attitude here and there. But what happens
when you have a kid, and it is our song
(21:36):
is about, is that you do. You're trying to make
them a good person. You're trying to grow them up
with these values and these morals. And so if you're
saying like, hey, you need to be patient, this isn't
the end of the world. Calm down, then you're thinking like,
oh my gosh, that was me if you like, I
needed to be told that a few hours ago. And
you're you realize you're on this journey together. As you're
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raising your kid and they're growing up, you're also growing
up in a in a different way.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
It really freaking knocks you to your knees, don't it.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
I mean I literally it has knocked me out. I've
had to do I have to have had to check
myself so hard. It sent me into like getting a
life coach when I was like thirty eight after I
had her, because I was like.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
What am I doing?
Speaker 5 (22:17):
I need to find myself worth and be fully confident
if I'm going to instill that. She does the same. Yeah,
man like points out your own personal struggles and flaws.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah. Absolutely, And I think I really encourage people like
you know, I uh, I've been dating my wife for
a long time. But I I don't want to say,
like I really dreamed of doing music. I knew that's
what I want to do, and then I met my
wife and you know, fell in love with her all
that stuff, but marriage wasn't something that my entire life.
I was like, and I think a lot of guys too,
Like I was like girls and they're young, like, you know,
(22:47):
they'll write their last name.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Did guys like plan their wedding?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah, Like my little girl, she's four, she already does
that stuff. No way, Yeah, we're like my son, he
literally just you know, like when my daughter was like
almost two, she would take a baby doll and like
rock it and take care of it. He literally throws
it like into a basketball goal. So it's it's just
it's in. There's this thing instilled, and there's exceptions obviously,
but there's a thing where you know, Okay, I'm getting married,
(23:13):
and I really encourage because it does. That's the first
step of being outside of yourself when you get married.
But then kids, here's a deal. You do decide in
a marriage, like if your wife, your husband, you know,
if you're if you're getting into it, you have to decide, Okay,
you know what, I'm gonna put my own feelings aside
and I'm going to compromise. With a child. You don't
(23:35):
decide that they they're going to be pulling your leg,
They're going to be bought there. You are goat like
you don't have.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
To, but to be outside of yourself, like and you
have to learn how to regulate your nervous system because
it it makes you. For me, it's like knee jerk
reactions and you're like, oh shoot, like you said, I
like being patient, Like you got.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
To check yourself.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah, it's a thing where like my wife and I
we can disagree what we want to listen to on
the radio, and we can have some kind of compromise.
You know, I would rather listen to this on the
radio at the end of the day. Now I've got
two kids, I Am not going to win this fight.
We're just going to listen to like the Frozen soundtrack
or whatever it because it's just you know, and it
really is like and if you don't, at what cost.
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You know, it's like.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Your sanity, your peace.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
And so it's the thing where definitely, you know, having
kids it forces you to be outside of yourself, for sure.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
It does.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
I know.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Okay, So then now the pandemic's over, you guys scratch
your true second album and so now you're you're on
your I guess your third body of work, but your
second album, yeah, your second release album.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
How did that come about?
Speaker 5 (24:37):
How did you guys decide it was time to write this?
And I love this it's called We're going to make it,
because that feels like telling did y'all feel like you
weren'ting to make it at times? Like what struggles did
you guys have to go through these past five years?
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Because they were hard for me. I don't know if
they were hard for y'all, just name one.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yeah, I mean really we have. We've been through the gauntlet,
both professionally and personally, y'all.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Like y'all are at the peak? What happened after the peak?
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah? No, we were at the peak. Like my texting
circle was like Dirk Spentley, Marina Lambert, Luke Comb's like
Morgan Wallen was opening for us at the time. Yeah,
opening for us, and he like during the pandemic we
used to fish with him all the time and buddies
with him, and and then those people's lives like John
and TJ Brothers Osbourne, Like those people's lives kept going
(25:26):
and we stayed here and then actually start going backwards.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
So does that feel like because you were on the
same trajectory, yet they keep going and you go backwards?
How does that feel? Because that's a that's a that's
a big.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah it does. And it's and it's a lot of
what this album is about, because what it what it
does is it forces you to truly focus on like, okay,
kind when you talk about centering yourself and and finding
yourself worth? What is my life? What is my circle?
Who are my friends?
Speaker 5 (25:56):
What?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
And that's like there's a there's a song on the
record called Honey, I Lost my job too.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
I heard that. That's that one'srue story.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah, that's your record. Yeah, and that's no. Literally, I
remember coming down and it was when we had lost
our record deal and touring. They're like, hey, touring is
not gonna be happening for like at least a year realistically,
and that's where we get a lot of our income.
And I remember walking downstairs and telling my wife like, hey,
so I don't have a record deal anymore and we're
not touring and we had just bought a house and
just had a baby. And it's like and then you
(26:25):
realize that are you panicking? You are panicking? Well, but
here's here's the deal. You panic for a moment and
you go like, Okay, that's where we start realizing like, dude,
I love Dirks, but Dirk's is not here, right now
you know, and I love Luke, but Luke is not
like the Cmas. I love the Cmas. They're not here
right now, that record label, they're not all these people
(26:48):
that you had built this relationship with, They're not here
on a Tuesday afternoon. You know who's here. My wife
is here, my daughter's here, God is here, my friends
are here, the guys in the band here, My good
buddy that lives across the street from me, he's here.
And you start realizing, like, okay, what is my life
and what is the foundation and the pillars that cannot
(27:10):
be knocked over that have not or have not been
knocked over, and leaning on those that's really I think
what that moment did. And it's been really interesting because
we wrote an album from that valley and this perspective
of what it's like there and coming out of it,
and that's like the song We're Gonna Make, you know.
It talks about, you know, when we're hand in hand
on that hilltop, we'll be better off and know that
(27:33):
we you know, grew from that moment and that we
we learned and we're better because of it. And it
came from from that mindset because that's what our life
has been and hasn't just been professional, because professional is
one thing. There's been sickness in our families, there's been
death in our families, there's been real life stuff that
make the professional stuff look like so minuscule, and so
(27:54):
all of that combined in the past few years and
realizing that what do you have. You have your family,
you have your faith, you have your support system, and
you have your music. That's what you've got and build
from that, and that's what the record's about, and that's
what that song we're going to make it is about.
And that's definitely the thread throughout the music that we've
been doing is being reflective on the lowest points that
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we've been and how we're coming out of them.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
So it really kind of gives you the perspective though
once you get through the absolute valley and you start
coming back up, you're kind of almost blessed. It's hard
to believe it that that happened, because if you don't
hit I know, for me and like our life and
our what we've gone through too, it's like when you
survive those kind of things together with the people that
(28:38):
are there for you, and you really realize who you
are who you love, who loves you, where you're going
to pour your energy. And it's not that all the
other stuff isn't wonderful and like a blessing as well,
but it's like, oh my god, I just feel like
I look at Michael, my husband, and I'm like, I
am so proud of us, Like we have gone through
so much that I could never like you could never
(28:59):
have that with someone else until you go through it, you.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Know, no, absolutely, And I think that that's a you know,
we're all, uh, we're religious guys, and I kind of
that word can be weird, but you know, we all
we're all Christians and and claim that. And I think that,
especially in the South, you can get a you know,
I can do all things through Christ, who strengthens me.
You can get it. And that's true. But when you
actually like look at the Bible. You see Joseph was
(29:22):
in prison for seven years. You look at what it
actually means to be in allions Den, You look at
what it means to be in you know, enslaved things
to be in prison. You know Paul was writing these
letters from prison. You there's so much valley and so
much heartache in the Bible and you realize that through
it all that you know God is bringing you out
of that, and that he does bring you out of
that and meet him. Yeah, absolutely, and He's He's using
(29:46):
that to craft you and to make you and to
give you this story. Because really, I'll be honest, like
even in like our music career, it's like it's a
really cool Hollywood movie kind of story that you know,
we start a band, I meet a working a job,
he invites us over. I met him working concessions at
bridge Stone Arena, literally working on a hot dog stand,
(30:08):
and I met the producer and Jay Joyce and he
we swapped numbers and went over to the studio and
he signed to a publishing deal, and then we made
an album. We got a record deal and our first
albums and on one album and we're just like hitting it.
But I'll be honest, that is like not extremely relatable.
Like a lot of the love stories and the stuff
that's on that album, those are relatable. But I think
(30:28):
that now being able to, you know, whatever good comes
from this album and this music that we're making, to
be able to say like, hey, this was this was
made out of some of the lowest points in our life.
And we are still keeping our eyes focused on the
things that are important, and we're keeping our heads up,
and we're relying on each other and our faith. You know,
that's it means a lot more. And I think that
(30:48):
sometimes God uses that to give you your story to
relate to people and to love people even better.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
And to add to that, you know, I think through
some of like the worst times of the band, like
going through that entire process, there were I think a
lot all of us had to figure out how to
have joy, you know what I mean, Like because if
you just if you're just as happy as your career
(31:17):
is doing, especially in music, you won't be happy for long.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
That is so terrible if you're happiness depends on your success.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
But I think a lot of us figured out, you know,
through our relationship with God and through our community, you know,
through what he's talking about. When the dust settles and
everyone's gone that you knew and you've got your crew,
then it's like, okay, let's let's be happy that we
even get to make music. Let's be happy with the
music that we're making. Let's be happy that we have
(31:46):
families and homes and you know, still make a salary
playing music. It's like, let's keep in mind that although
we may not be what where we thought we should be,
we're still here and so and and it's important to
love our families and love our kids and be happy
with that, not necessarily like trying to, you know, check
(32:08):
another bucket list off the music career.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
That is so profound, and I feel like that is
the whole point of this entire life, you know. I
feel like we're all given dreams and we all have
all these obstacles to go through, but it's like the
whole goal is to get to this because it's like
I've interviewed so many people now on this podcast, and
every single person has a Valet story, if not multiple,
you know, that are awful and some of them so traumatic,
(32:33):
and it's like everybody has it, and it's like, Okay,
you get to what you're saying, how do we be happy?
If we can't be happy, then what is it? And
happiness comes from what you guys are talking about. You
have to get to that place where it's like, Okay,
this is what's in my soul, this is the true
happiness is and that sometimes is the hardest thing to learn.
(32:55):
But then when you go through it, You're like, oh
my god, Now Noah can take that away from you.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
And you see that in real life, and it really
is like you, Okay, like that show, we sold thirty
five tickets. I can promise right now my daughter could
care less whether I sold thirty five tickets or thirty
five thousand tickets. What is my temperament that day? What
is the love that I'm giving to my life that day? Yeah?
What was the love I was giving to her?
Speaker 5 (33:16):
You know?
Speaker 2 (33:17):
And so when you realize that that is and that's
really what life is with everybody. That's and I haven't
tell when you know, if we get new crew or
something like that, I tell everyone like, hey, I really
want you to treat people well. To to treat the
hands here into hands or like crew people at venues,
for anyone listening, to treat the staff here well. Because
at the end of the day, maybe someone will remember
(33:38):
a song or two, but the reality is people remember
how you treated them and how good you were to them.
That's what is the lasting impact you have on people.
And so it's so much bigger than music. Music. It's
a wonderful thing and it's a beautiful thing, and we
get to impact people. But really the metrics that Nashville
or the industry can set those are literally just on
(33:58):
a piece of paper for ortally reports. They're not really
measures of anything outside of that. And so you really
have to look deeper than that. And it's an important
thing that you know, we've.
Speaker 6 (34:09):
Learned guys, y'all are so wise. Oh I don't know
that we're dropping wisdom.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
We're sharpened by fire.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
But you know that's the only way to do it
is to go through it.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
Now that you have so much wisdom, nobody can take
from you. You know, like that what y'all know, you
can't teach it in a class, know.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
That I'm wise. I'm going to start selling insurance.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Actually, maybe you can't teach it in a class. I'm
going to start a class master class.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Actually, people probably learn it from you because you've been there.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
You know what if y'all did just like share everything
you know so then like people are going to skip
through a.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Book one day you heard it here first.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
But it is true though, like you really like once
you go through that, you can't you can't money can't
buy that.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
You also start to realize, like with this career specifically,
there success is such a weird thing because in music
it's not a tangible thing. It's a collection of moments.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
So like that is so true.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
You might sell three thousand tickets one night and we've
done that this year, and the next night there might
be three or four hundred people, and you're like, well,
it's what's going on? Like it's not like we show
up every day and the building's bigger, you know what
I mean, Like we own the office, the office is nicer,
we have more employees.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
You don't.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
You can't like see the growth. It's not like a
tangible thing.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Yeah, And I remember what sorry no, I was on
that point. I remember there was an artist that I
was talking. This is years ago, and this act had
just want a CMA and we were on tour them
in the next day. There weren't more. There wasn't like paparazzi.
There wasn't And I remember them talking like man, I
was talking to my manager and just saying like I
(36:06):
thought things would be different, you know. They ended up
having to fly for like a radio show, and literally
two days later after wearing CMA, were playing in a
like a pizza shop and trying to sing over people
serving cal Zones and he is Sella's manager. You know,
I just thought things would be different. The manager said
something that I think is so true and I still
hold this day, is you know, and this manager has
has managed huge acts that have had lifelong careers. It's like,
(36:29):
you know, your career in music, it's a puzzle, and
every CMA, every concert ticket, every spin, every T shirt
you sell, they're just these little pieces put in the
puzzle and one day you're gonna look back and you'll
see it. You'll see it, but it's your beaul. Yeah,
but you're never gonna just see that. It's very it's
near impossible that one piece is gonna be like now
(36:50):
the puzzle is complete. It's like, no, You're just gonna
keep putting pieces in there, and then one day you'll
look back and see what your life was and what
your career was, and it was it's a beautiful work
of art.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Has success changed for you guys?
Speaker 6 (37:01):
Like?
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Was it once one thing and now it's something different?
Speaker 3 (37:05):
No, we all got Seed's already, honestly, So the our
entire goal as a band for about six or seven
years from when we started was to get Seed's.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Why I don't funny.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Yeah, because you ain't never seen anyone frowning on a
jet ski.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yeah, that's where it started.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Yeah, anytime we were down, we're like, man, they say
money camp by happiness. Fan's never seen anyone frowning on
a jet ski. We're like, well, if we just get
jet skis one day, we'll all be happy.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
So that was a goal.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Now we have to move the goalpost. We haven't figured
out what that goalpost is yet. But jet skis were
the uh that was the ladder we were trying to climb.
So yeah, I don't I don't know that music or
success has changed us. I think our families and our
kids have like I you know, when you have kids,
(37:56):
like we talked about, I think you start to realize
what really important. And so I think that has definitely
changed us. But again, success in music, it really is
so weird. It's like you'll do three thousand tickets and
play a radio show at a pizza place.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Yeah, and it's ever And as far as like what
our definition of success is, there's also an aspect where
it's I if I want to get like not all
like mushy, gushy wisdom, profound, like I still want to
sell tickets. I still want to hit big numbers. I
still will look at streaming numbers and be like, oh,
what do we got it? And I will spend hours
on the phone what do we got to do? On socials?
Speaker 3 (38:32):
What do we got?
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Because I want to win. But there's this dichotomy of
the reason for that. The reason that I want to
keep surviving and keep making music and keep being my
job is because I want a big single, I want
a big song, but it's because I've seen the personal
impact that music has on people and I want to
be a part of that. We did a thing with
Saint Jude not too long ago, and you know, you
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go play with the kids and we have a song
called Where I Belong. Where I Belong. It's not a
single right now, it's not a hit. It hasn't been
played on a single station. It's it's just a song
on the record and there's a music video for it,
and I love the song, but it's not a song
that by national standards. You would never for what that
song is done. You would never get a high five,
you'd never get a drink, but before you know, would
(39:14):
say congrats and pat your back because of where I
belong right now. But when we went to Saint Jude,
you know, there was this little girl who had been
diagnosed with cancer and she was undergoing chemo and radiation
and the mom said, hey, she's too embarrassed, she's too shy.
I tell you this, But your song where I belong,
that's like our pump up anthem for radiation, and like
that song has just been our anthem. And so that
(39:35):
right there, it's like, Okay, we gotta keep going. We
got then, we got, we gotta get these streaming numbers up,
we got, we gotta get these two because this is
what our music does to people. And we gotta keep
fighting this fight because it has an impact on people.
So there's this there's this world that's like ven diagram,
this yin and yang where like they combine. Where it's
like the tenacity and the fierceness that you have to
(39:57):
approach the music industry with because you do. You have to.
It is not a game. You better. Anyone wanted to
do this industry, You better come with your gloves on,
ready to fight. Fight, yes, but the reason you better
be doing that because you're gonna get hit so many times,
better be because there's something in the back of your
mind that's bigger than just the hits you take. It's
it's the impact that you have on people.
Speaker 5 (40:19):
I'm just gonna call it right now. I think you
guys are about to blow up. But not just because
y'all aren't already so great and who haven't before? But this,
like this is what the world needs. Is not just
the great music, but you'll have the great music, and
there is such a story with you guys behind it,
Like you guys are so impactful, just the humans that
y'all are, the way you've been chipped away at, how
you have chosen to grow and get closer to God
(40:42):
and like grow through these valleys, Like this is what
people truly need more than anything. We've tried everything else.
I feel like the world has tried everything. Yeah, and
we're finally at the point where we're like, Okay, we
don't get to the truth of what really actually matters
at life and have people in a spotlight also preaching
that because it didn't used to be. People Wren is like,
I'll open about this stuff back in the day, but
(41:02):
I think mental health is so real. People are so broken.
It's like, Okay, what is actually the way to happiness.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Yeah, yeah, no, I think that, I think everyone, and
I think technology is kind of fast tracked this path
to everyone hitting a breaking point because the technology we
have now, you can get anything you want on your doorstep,
you can see anything you want to see, you can
have access to any knowledge. And people are still they're
more broken than ever and that is that's a huge
(41:32):
question mark as to why. And I think that it's
because you know, you can't keep going in the same
path we've gonehere. It's like, you know, just this and
trust me. I love to have fun. I love a
good Friday night. I love drinking a cold beer with
the people that I love. But behind that, it's okay,
But why is that such a great thing? And why
do we have this fun? And what when there's a
breaking point? What do we lean on? I think there's
(41:53):
such awareness now of and I think people are trying
to find it. And you know, I'm willing at any
moment to share our story and share what we know
and what we've been through. And you know, we're all
on this journey together mankind, we're all humanity, we're all
trying to figure it out together. And yeah, anything that
I can take from our story and how we've recovered
and how we've put the pieces back together to try
and be a light. I think people need a light
(42:14):
right now and any way that we can try and
point people towards that light.
Speaker 4 (42:19):
Yeah, we're here for freaking love it. Okay, So tell
us everything we need to know about what's going on
with you guys, where we can find your music, what
you're most looking forward to for the rest of this year.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Yeah. So, you know, we just put out this album
call We're Gonna Make It. And if you've liked anything
you've heard in this conversation, there's a soundtrack to it,
and it is this album, and it's all there, and
there's a lot you know, it's not this has been
a heavy conversations. There's a lot of light, hardness and
fun because that's a lot of life and I think
that having fun is a blessing and the little moments
are huge blessing. We write about those two. But you know,
(42:50):
we're out supporting that album. We're touring, really like seriously
touring for the first time in years. We have our
first single to country radio in five years.
Speaker 5 (42:57):
Okay, So how is touring and how's the single, How
does it Feel Feels good?
Speaker 2 (43:01):
It's been. It's been crazy, Like we just did our
first show with the radio station last week and it's
our first time doing that in like five years. And
it's been really cool to see that people still connect
with us and are still there and that we can
still bring that. Two shows and two radio stations. You know,
we're really loving it and we're getting back out to
(43:23):
the fans. And yeah, it's just been it's been. It's
felt like a homecoming.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
You know.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
It hasn't been like a, oh yeah, y'all, it's been
aware have y'all been. I've missed y'all, and so it
really is. I don't know, touring has kind of felt
like a homecoming and and it's been so much fun.
So we've been we're supporting that album then our singles
called we Grew Up Together, and yeah, it's just the
journey of of you know, parenthood. And I tell people,
even if they don't have kids, you know, we all
(43:46):
came from somewhere and you know this song. If you
don't have kids, you know, think about your parents and
understand that, you know, whatever your situation was, your parents
hopefully they did the best they could and that, but
they were trying to figure it out and they were
growing up too, and so it's been fun to be
singing that song on the road and yeah.
Speaker 5 (44:02):
Back at it heck yeah okay, And then following you guys,
is just Lanco Yeah, l.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
A n CEO Lanco and Landco music is like I
think I don't know, you know, funny people ask that's like,
I don't know. I don't ever google us. I'm pretty sure.
I'm ninety nine percent sure it's Landco music dot com.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
And Lanco hopefully Lanco band or something on Google. You
can find everything, yeah, hopefully have a good es Like
y'all don't know your stuff.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
That's what we pay you for. Ths man. Well, yeah,
Lanco music, Landco band. I mean if yeah, you know
how to find it someone. Yeah, I believe in you.
Whoever's listening to.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
This, You guys are amazing.
Speaker 5 (44:44):
I'm so just excited for y'all in so many ways,
but mainly just like who y'all are as people.
Speaker 4 (44:49):
Y'all are really great people. That's awesome, And y'all are
a great band.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
We did it, We did it. We fooled them all. No,
thank you. I feel you know, these podcast things are
so weird because I in the real world, after every
one of these questions, I would ask you a question
about your life and yourself, but you end up talking
so much about yourself. But thanks for having us, and
thanks for thanks for letting us share our story.
Speaker 4 (45:12):
I love it. Okay.
Speaker 5 (45:13):
So I always ripe up with leave your Light, and
it's just super open ended. What do you want people
to know? Just drop some inspiration?
Speaker 3 (45:21):
Uh, what do I want people to know? There's more
to life than money?
Speaker 4 (45:27):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (45:28):
Well, we talked about family, it's God, it's community and
all and frankly, like some of the best days are
the slow mornings where it's like you walk outside, you
drink a cup of coffee, and you just sit in
your yard and let the sun and the breeze hit
you know, like sometimes that's like better than playing a
(45:48):
sold out show. So it's like it's there's there's more
to life than you know, all of the things that
I think we tend to get caught up in.
Speaker 4 (45:56):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Oh yeah, my turn. No, I mean it really is
kind of what the theme of this whole conversation has been.
But you know, we're in a world right now where
it's very easy. It's so crazy. But somehow, with all
the access to information we have, people feel more isolated
than ever. And so I always encourage people to know
that that you are not alone. For some reason, you
(46:19):
just get on these phones and start scrolling, and that
makes by seeing more, you feel more alone. And so
I always tell people you know you are not alone.
There is somebody in your life that loves you. Lean
on that person. And ultimately, I do believe there's a
God that loves you. And as weird as it sounds,
you don't have to know what that means. Lean into
that and you'll be okay. And I love you.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
I believe in you. Ah, you guys, we got to
hear yours now.
Speaker 5 (46:48):
I love everything we talked about. I think too, Like
it is so powerful when you do go into those
valleys and when someone's I would say, if you are
in a valley right now, or if you're like heading
towards one, do not be afraid. But like you said,
lean on people who love you, lean on things that
you know are good for your soul, because you will
make it through and you're gonna be such a better person.
(47:08):
But it sucks so hard while you're in it like awful,
but yet that is what truly it's like, that is
the fire you're saying, like made by fire or whatever.
That is how you get made into who you're supposed
to be. And so it's really beautiful like talking to
you guys, seeing y'all on the other side of that fire,
because I know y'all went through it, like even just
(47:28):
hearing 'all story right now, but you hung in there
and you didn't like totally let yourself get destroyed by it.
You didn't become a victim. You're not mad at everybody. Instead,
you like come full circle and like gott into a
place in yourself where it's all about you and having
peace within your own self, and you get that through
going through the fire. So I just think, don't give
up in the fire.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (47:50):
Emen, Thank y'all for joining. Can y'all stick around for
like five minutes to do with your questions?
Speaker 5 (47:54):
To drop your questions? Okay, Brandon and trip from Lanco.
Speaker 4 (47:58):
This was so fun. No are the best? Thank you you.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
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