When I first moved to Nashville about 20 years ago, I remember being so intimidated by Missi. Not only was she a top publisher for the biggest songwriters in town, she also listened and found hit songs for Faith and Tim, Keith Urban and alllllll the greats! It was Missi who discovered “Breathe” for Faith; originally she pitched it to Tim, but he said Faith would crush it, we get into all sorts of backstories behind songs. She also found “Humble and Kind” for Tim…. On top of it all, she and her massive producer husband, Byron, are BFFs w Tim and Faith… Byron is Tim’s producer! So you can see why I was nervous around Missi when I first moved to town, she’s a legend! She shares soooo many stories of how she discovered hit songs, what it’s like working w top celebrities and the traits and work ethic that all icons have… Missi is a powerful, intuitive woman who is such an example of how to be a boss, a mother, a wife and a leader.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Caroline, she's a queen and talking if she's getting really
not afraid to feel it, so so just let it flu.
No one can do we cry, Carol Lear sounds Carole,
I'm so excited. I'm gonna miss Galimore. And she we
(00:29):
got on here this morning and she's like, man, you're
fine about it. Set to your pants and I'm like, yeah,
we booked this interview last night and I'm yesterday. I'm like,
do you want to do an interview tomorrow in the morning?
What about tonight? And I'm like, I'm such a hot
mess express I am always just like booking things in
the most random times. But I mean, it works, right,
it works. It's a beautiful chaos, beautiful mass. It stresses
(00:54):
me out though, because I and I was telling you this,
like I'm about to meet with a brand coach and
try to get my life in order, because sometimes I'm
literally like I have so much just like in my
brain in the air that I needed to be structured
and I feel like I need to come up with
some plans, and you said that you have done that.
(01:16):
Because first off, everyone listening, Missy Gallamore is country music legend.
She and her husband are like one of the biggest
power couples in Nashville. Missy was a publisher, she's a manager.
Her husband, Byron, is a huge producer. He's done so
like all Tim mcgirl's stuff and like Faith Hills like
your best friend. I mean, I'm telling you, Missy, is
(01:39):
it you have seen Nashville through it all, like you
know everything. If you didn't know even think about Nashville
the country music industry, we need to talk to Missy Gallimark,
which is why fucking look a freakod intro. And you're
also a mom. You have three daughters, right yeah, yeah,
but you have faith in him like match because they
(02:01):
have three dollars, right, I know, and they're all the
same age. Did y'all plan that we know? We didn't.
That's so funny, but no, no, I will tell you
a funny story though Faith planned. Barrone and I are wedding. Well,
I didn't have a big wedding. No, we didn't have
like a big wedding. But Barrone and I had been
together for a really long time and like no plans
(02:22):
of really like just getting married. We were like just loving,
you know, just the idea of just not being married.
You know, because we were both married before and it's
been we've been together a long time. And Faith was like, um,
she's like, you guys are getting married. So we got
married where Tim shot. It was in Arizona, where Tim
(02:45):
shot his Everywhere video, and we got married in Arizona.
Faith went and picked out my dress, the whole thing.
She put dropped the whole thing, and uh found the
place supposed to get married in this little the Laredo
Chapel and uh Sedona and that's where we got married.
And Tim and Faith were like there and that was it.
That was it. She kind of was like he was
(03:08):
the one that kind of like pushed, and you know,
it was like okay, well you guys are gonna get
married now. And we got married all in the video
you know where he did his video, and it was
pretty funny, pretty comical. That's kind of awesome. So after
being married once, is it kind of hard to want
to get married again? That makes a lot of sense.
You already kind have been there, done that, you found
someone that you love, You're like, let's let's just let's
just keep it how it is and not mess it up. Yeah,
(03:31):
it was like I had been you know, I had
been in a relationship married. I married my high school sweetheart.
I knew I wasn't supposed to marry him. I knew
the day that I married him. It was like, oh God,
this is not it. But everybody thought that that's what
the thing that I needed to do because we had
dated for so long. That's what I guess. I thought
you were listening to this right now? Who feels the
way you feel? Because I feel a lot of like
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a lot of people feel pressure to actually like there's
this first wave of marriage. You get out of high
school or college or whatever, and it's like you have
all this pressure that you've got to start your life
and you're on this really intense timeline that if you
don't get married by the time like like your early twenties,
which is you're gonna be old, you're never gonna get married.
So what would you tell someone who is like in
(04:13):
it right now, who was feeling all that pressure that
maybe even the wedding plan and they want to get out,
like it feels like you can't get out, Like, what
would you tell them? Um, Well, first of all, I
would say, first thing is like, don't you know, like
I dated one guy all through high school, all through
you know, college, don't date one guy all through high
(04:38):
school all through college because it's just you know, looking back,
and I tell my girls this all the time. You know,
if I had one thing to do over, it would
be that that I would date around. I mean, I haven't,
you know, I've only you know, been with two two guys,
you know, and that's like, I don't want that for
you guys you don't really have a chance to really know,
(04:59):
you know. And the other extreme where you don't want
to go too far and too far, but you don't
want to just like you don't have to date. I
never dated. I never dated, and I regret that I
never dated. And I I just knew the day, you know,
just you can't fall into pressure. There's so much pressure
now with these young people graduating high school and college,
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and especially for girls, there's so much pressure. And you
just gotta listen to your heart and listen to your gut.
I knew, I knew, and I knew it was not
the right thing for me to do, but I did
it anyway. And then two years later, I was like,
I'm done, I'm out. I can't do it anymore. Did
you like it, just like that sick feeling. I've had
(05:44):
that in my life several times. Obviously not like with
like a marriage, but actually with Michael on our relationship,
we broke up before we got married because I had
that overwhelming feeling like this is not the right timing.
It was just timing for us, not the Yeah, I'm
so glad I listened to myself and didn't get married
when I wasn't ready, you know, because it is it
(06:05):
is hard to make a big move that's life altering,
that affects everyone else, and you feel all this pressure
that you're gonna like ruin your life ruin someone else says,
everyone's gonna be mad at you. But really, I do
it before you get all locked in, because then it's
a bigger mess. Just be really in tune with your feelings.
Just really be into to your sale and and and
(06:28):
and your gut. Your gut is never ever ever going
to lead you wrong. I'm believer in your gut. Go
with your gut. Have you worked on that? Have you
developed that skill? Because if I was gonna tell anybody anything,
because like I started this podcast off with you, I
am a hot mess. Express you said you used to
fly by the city of your pants. But now that
you're in management, you're much more organized, and I want
(06:49):
to hear how you've gotten organized, because I want to
take those tips. But the one thing that I feel
like over I have felt like over my thirty eight
years of life, especially like coming to the music industry
when I was nine teen and like being so green
and naive and not knowing what in the f I
was doing to now like really having an understanding and
like developed community and you know, developed myself in this industry.
(07:11):
The one thing I would tell anyone, like you said,
is to develop listening to your gut, like that is
going to guide you, especially when you're in a career
that you can't really like lock down it, you can't
really like it's not like a set path. You have
to developed that gut intuition. How have you developed that?
You know? That's a good question. I don't know. I
(07:32):
think I've always you know, we would you one. Two.
It's you know, it's it's very hard to feel comfortable
with yourself and in you know, in your in your
body and your second guessing everything so much. But I
think I think it just comes with with with age
and just you know. Yeah, I think it just comes
(07:52):
from being older and um, you know, just living through
uh huh, working through stuff, just going through it. Yeah,
just going through stuff and then realizing, you know what,
looking back, you know what, my gut was really saying
to me, I shouldn't have done that. I really shouldn't
have done that. Just so you just gotta go through
(08:13):
it to get to that, you know. But you've got
to go through a bunch of stuff, a bunch of
s h I t to get there. But you've got
well the second you feel it, like now, is your
gut your guide? Like, can you tell in a second
if it's a yes or no base on pretty much? Yeah,
and I go by it. I'll let I I follow it.
I do I yes, yes, Yes, you're not empowering, Yeah,
(08:36):
it's so empowering. And I'm so big on manifestation too.
You know. That is a big thing that I've kind
of like you know, started doing within like the last
last year and a half is writing down my affirmations
and writing it down and manifesting and that's really, you know,
something that I'm really into now too. You might done
(08:57):
your manifestations and your affirmations like I have to go
up right here to you where it's like my father
and I also keep are the affirmations that you write?
So say for me, like one day I want to
go on a podcast tour, Like I want to like
go to certain markets and go on a little bit
of a podcast tour and have really special guests and
have like meaningful conversations. Would you write with the affirmation
(09:20):
that you write down and be like, I am so
thankful for my uh soul giving podcast tour? Like do
you write it down? And it's already write it down.
I just write down things that I thinks that I
want to do, thanks, that I want to be successful
at things, you know, basically just yeah, things that I
just want to do, things that I want to be
successful at, things that I want to get better at.
(09:44):
Uh all coming from your soul? Like is your soul
the one telling you what these things are? Because Michael
and I have really gotten big into like understanding your
why and your purpose, Like why do I want to
do this? Like yes, of course the giving Everyone wants
to have financials, want successful financially, so that's given, But
(10:04):
a bigger why, like why do I want to do
these things? You is your what are you motivated from
your soul? And like your wife? Yeah, I am. I
mean and it could be like it could be like
you know, little it could be just like a little
affirmation or a little thing like you know, gosh, I
need I really need focus today because I am not
(10:26):
focusing today. I write that ship down, Um, write it down.
How would you write that down? That's right, you know,
give me the strength to focus today. And that's how
I would write that down. Just just just just scribble it.
I have, you would if you if you could see
my desk right now, I have. I have stuff like
(10:47):
little books and I love to write. See I love,
I love. You can see where I've just written. I
just write my minute. Go back this way? This is
Is there something about putting pen to paper that makes it? God? Yeah?
So I mean look at this. There's another one another book.
Everything just everything in it book everywhere Rd's in there?
(11:07):
What's in that one? That? Okay, well that's a whole
another like podcast. This is when I opened my coffee shop.
When I was opening my coffee shop, this is my
book of my coffee and everybody, every just everything related
to when I opened the coffee shop of companies and
businesses that I wanted to get in business with. And
(11:30):
and you know, like Lucy's Kitchen makes great cinnamon rolls.
There's Lucy's Kitchen right there. I mean, like you, so
when you started your coffee shop, and I want to
hear about that book. Here's another book every just turned
the pages of affirmations and yeah, when you started your
(11:50):
coffee shop, for example, and you're like looking for vendors
to partner with, do you take note and only bring
in vendors that you love? So it's like you love
those cinema roles. So it's like we're making And that's
what I feel like really brings the electricity to whether
(12:11):
it's an artist, whether it's anyone who has a successial
job like a manager or like a or like a
coffee shop or like a yoga student, whatever, it's when
it is filled with love. Like everything in there is
not to make money, although yes it is to make money.
That's there because it is driven from I love this,
(12:32):
Like this is helpful to me. This is what is
fueling me in this area. Do you feel do you
feel that? And that's eat if you're coming So, I mean,
and you're talking about like flying by the seat of
your pants. When I opened this coffee shop, it was
on my freaking whim, like you about this, When did
you do this? I did that? It's I did. It
will be in business June third, will be five years,
(12:55):
and how huh is it? It's great, it's just now.
I mean it truly does take, you know for a
small business. Its true. You know, everyone says five years.
It's like the magic number of when you start seeing
the other side of opening up a small business and
it's successful. So we are just now seeing it. You know,
(13:17):
right after COVID is when it really just went up.
Our ourselves went up. It was crazy. So well is it?
So everyone listening can go. It's it's Coffee and Coconuts.
It's in Franklin, Tennessee. It's called Coffee and Coconuts. So
I love coffee, I love the beach, and I love music,
and so in my coffee shop, I've incorporated everything related
(13:41):
to that. So when you walk in Coffee Coconuts, you
really feel like you're in Malibu or you're on thirty A.
It's very it's very, very beechy. Everything's white, the floor's turquoise.
It's beautiful, beautiful. Yeah, tell me how you started this.
And this is another thing that I want to get
into with you, because you're such a great egg ample
of this and like I said in beginning, you and
(14:02):
your husband together are such a power couple, are such
a royalty for Nashville, and what you have accomplished so
much of it is taking these leaps of faith, which
I feel like is really important to do. And it's
also the hardest thing to do because a lot of
times you have to put yourself out there financially, a
lot of times you have to put yourself out there
(14:22):
emotionally and expose yourself and like you have the risk
of failing and that people can see and you might
lose money. It's hard to take, huge hard you have
to go. You have to take a leap of faith
or you can't. Um, you can't. You you just can't.
You know, if you don't, where are you gonna be
in live? Um? Yeah, Um, You're gonna be stuck. You're
(14:44):
gonna be stuck. You have to, Like I took a
leap of I knew nothing about coffee, absolutely nothing, And
I can remember the day. I can remember the day
I got the call about someone asking me if I
wanted to put a coffee shop there, and I just
was light. I was at a red light. I was
at a freaking red light when I said yes, And
(15:05):
you like go through your body and like check yourself
because I do that, and you check yourself like no resistance.
It feels good, like I don't know what I'm doing.
It was yeah, and then it was like whatever season
I was in like five years ago, Um, I can
never duplicate that again. I love that. I love you.
(15:27):
Can I put you on Paul's for can we stop
recording for just a minute? Or is it? Can we
do it? Yeah? So it's just perfect that you would
have to take a call on the middle of list
because Missy is like, I call a text her yesterday
to work out this podcast. She worked it into her
day at eleven, but she's still managing, so she had
(15:49):
like a man a management emergency call coming through. She's like, yeah,
I'm like that, they're gonna go take this call. I mean,
you're so awesome, My god, am I have to do
And I might have to do Paul's and another time,
but hopefully not. I wouldn't do it if it wasn't
an emergency. I'm so sorry. You see, it's fine. And
this podcast is called Get Real and it's about interviewing
(16:10):
the majority of my guests are women who are badass
women doing incredible things and multitasking, juggling at all. So
this is just about as real as it gets and
I love it. I love all right. Okay, anyway, you
have to take a leak of faith if you ever
want to get anywhere in life, you just cannot sit
back and stand back and let's fear, um, take hold
(16:31):
of your life and not do anything you have to.
And you know, you you there's some people that get that,
and then there's some people that don't. And you know, um,
when did you start jumping? And what if you're someone
who's like, I want to take a leap of faith.
I have this vision, but I'm a single mom, I
(16:51):
have kids. I don't have enough money to take this risk.
I feel like I'm drowning. Like what does someone like that? Do?
You know? Uh? You know, there's all kinds of like
small business loan, especially for women, there's all kinds of things.
If you really want to do something really really bad enough,
(17:13):
you're gonna find a way to make it work. And um,
you know if I if I didn't have the money
to open it, I would have gone and gotten a
small business loan and and done it. That way. I
needed to open a coffee shop at that time in
my life. How did you needed to? Because I just
had done everything was like everything in my whole life
up until the coffee shop five years ago was music, everything,
(17:37):
and I needed an outlet. I didn't know what that
outlet was. I just needed another outlet. And I just
was at this little place and I thought, oh my god,
this is the cutest place for a coffee shop. And
I inquired about it and I think it was supposed
to be a ups store is what it was supposed
to be. Well that fell through and then they called
me and they're like, hey, us till interest in putting
(17:58):
up a coffee shop. And I just was like, yeah,
let's do it. Let's go. So for the whole that
that year, I just went to school to learn everything
about coffee. Uh you're doing music, huh. I would go
to Krema. I would take classes at Krema. Do you
know the coffee shop Krema for school? H Yeah? They
(18:18):
offer school on how to make you know coffee, different
coffee drinks because I love their cubans so much. And um,
so I don't know. I just hired someone a consultant
who just taught me everything there was to know about
coffee and learned that way and but still doing music
and you know, I don't know. It was just, um
(18:41):
it was a It was a great thing, and I
don't I don't think I could do it again. Though
whatever season I was in, I did it, but I
don't think I could do for Kim again. I was
in that season. I love love that you said that,
because you get certain inspiration and certain boasts of energy
(19:05):
for certain dreams of your life. But they are a
season because after you do it, you like you have
all this energy and motivation and it's exactly what your
soul is calling for and you probably just flowed. Everything flows,
and I feel like with it's not that it's not
hard work, and it's not that you don't have to
do so much, but when you're in the flow of
(19:25):
that season, it all just starts like kind of lining up,
and everything sort of starts filling together. And yes, all
these hard things, but it feels enjoyable and like you're
selling it and it's speaking to you, and you put
in so much energy. But then you look back and
I feel that some way it's like you could never
do it again, Like it's like you had to seize
that moment. Yeah you did. I had to, yeah, And
and I'm so thankful that I did it. I don't
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regret one I do not regret one second, because I've
met so many beautiful people. I've met people that like
music business people that come in there all the time,
that will come up to me and go, oh my god,
I love your coffee shop. I wish just in there,
no idea you know that they even you know that
they did they even come in there. So I met
uh artists that I managed by the name of Abby Kane,
(20:11):
who was on Big Machine. I met her at the
coffee shop. I heard her singing. I had I do
music at the coffee shop and she was there performing
and um she was singing. The coffee shop was really crowded,
and she started singing and I kind of like stopped
what I was doing and I'm like, who is this girl?
(20:32):
And I found out who she was and just stalked
her until I could work with her. And that was
That was that was four and a half years ago.
And um, you know she's signed to Big Machine a
year ago, two years ago, pretty like she signed right
before COVID hit. Is that two years ago? Yes? Years ago?
(20:53):
I don't even know anymore. So anyway, you know, it's
it's it's been such a positive man. How lucky to
be stalked by Missy Gallimore. I stopped that girl like
I had to where I was like, I gotta work
with you. So you know, I worked with her from
the beginning, you know, starting out and publishing and developing her,
getting her songs together, pitched her, got her a deal,
(21:16):
you know. So it was amazing. Okay, so let's kind
of talk about this because you have some major insider perspective. Uh,
Like you just said all those things to get an
artist ready to get signed, it took. It takes two years.
And you can have this raw natural talent, and some
people do get signed off of raw natural talent. But
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there's a lot that goes into making an artist. And
so talk to me about your journey to music and
how you got into publishing and what you did and
do as a publisher. Well, when I first started, I
worked for Charlie Prode who gosh killed me when he
passed away. Absolutely, he gave me my first start, started us.
(22:01):
It was he had a publishing company and I was
still in school at Mt SHO. So I was kind
of like I was married at the time, not to Byron,
but Uh. And I was working at his publishing company,
doing a minister work part time and still going to school.
And so I did that for probably a couple of
(22:22):
years and now I met got a divorce, met Byron. Uh.
Byron was a writer, Um, did you know you company?
He would write there a lot. Yeah, and Uh, I
eventually worked my way up to like song plugger, you know,
(22:42):
like plugging songs, you know. And then Byron and I
met Uh. His music production career was he wasn't working
with Tim at the time, but he was doing a
lot of odd projects, just still trying to make it
as a producer, right, just trying to you know, get
anything he could go and that he could. Well he
(23:03):
met Tim. Uh had all this success. Um, he got
so busy that he really couldn't, you know, do A
and R and produce at the same time. So he
asked me if I wanted to start A and R
and for Tim, will you Everyone want A and R
is who doesn't know? Okay, Well, A and R. It's
just it. It's basically what is it called artists in
(23:23):
repertoire um. And basically what I do A and R
is I find songs for artists. So I'm like the
the gatekeeper or the go between between the writers and
the publishers. They will pitch me their songs, and I
mostly work with publishers. I do. I have a lot
of relationship with writers too, but mostly with publishers. They'll
(23:44):
they'll pitch me the songs and then I'll sit here
and I'll listen to songs for Keith Urban and Tim
and I'll go, oh my god, that's a great song
for Keith. So I'm gonna let me just get this
to Keith. Let me play it for Keith. So I'm
kind of like the go between between the writer being
an A and R. That's like a that is such
a special job because it's all about your ears, like
(24:06):
listening and your gut instinct once again, gut instinct, yea
the song. And so when you are when you're hired
to do A and R, it's like you are the artists.
Like basically like you understand the artists, You understand what
they like, what songs they want, Jake towards because there
are so many writers in Nashville pitching songs, and artists
(24:30):
don't have time to listen to hundreds and thousands of
songs literally, And so you, as an A and R
person are listening. I mean you're listening to Are you
listening to thousands of songs? You under I listened to
a lot of songs like when when I get off here,
I've got a pitch meeting, so, um, you know, popping
off here and then you know, getting on a pitch
meeting to listen songs for Tim m Keith. But yeah,
(24:50):
you just have to go through a lot of songs.
And like for Tim, you look for in a song
like what makes you stop and your moves me? Anything
that just moves me, anything that's slightly different. I like
to listen to songs when I'm doing something else. That
way attention. It gets my attention. But I I'm just
(25:14):
looking for different melodies. I'm looking for a different twist
for lyrics. Um, okay, I mean also like classic country,
but good classic country. Um. And you just agree about radio.
Do you want do you listen for like radio success,
like do you worry, like do you make sure that
it would be played on the radio. I don't care.
I pitched. I don't. I go from yes, I will
(25:37):
go from pitching like very radio stuff to pitching very
outside the box stuff. I'm in theganut. I mean, it's
just like here and here, well, then you you go
for it. If I'm if it moves me, then it's
gonna move the artist hopefully. But it has to start
by tweaking me and you know, making me feel something emotionally.
(26:00):
And you know, I feel like I'm the very few
left that is still like passionate about songs, you know
what I mean. There's just like I miss that I
miss you know, there's just no passion anymore. And I'm
still I still get so excited when and finding a
(26:21):
great song is really really I mean, a really really
good song is very very hard right now. I don't know,
it's just well, I guess because but one thing, artists
are writing their own stuff now, so everything is pretty much,
you know, tied up because the writers are writing with
artists now, which is fine. But there's some still some
(26:43):
great songs. There's still great outside songs out there that
you can find. You just got you's gotta dig and
you gotta find them. And the pluggers today are more
calendar keepers. Then, um, there's very few pluggers that I
deal with that are still real passionate about songs. And
(27:05):
a song parger works for a publisher, which is scrolling
this out with people listening. A publisher is like the
company that houses writers. So writers get to have a
job and they get paid to write songs to pitch
to artists. And then like Missy would be there as
a publisher also like a and our pitches an A
(27:25):
and our person and and our person has like the
direct connection to the artists. And so pluggers work at
the publishing company and they pitched too managers, artists and
our people, anyone that they're ever Yeah, a song to
someone who can get his wife's artist's wife, they probably
pitch you a song if they could, if they could
(27:47):
get to you, they would totally and yeah exactly, And
so I feel, yeah, that's that's so. What how can
you noticed that the music industry has changed? How long
have you been in it? I've been in it for
a long time. I just feel like, you know, I
just feel like I just wish it's just it's just
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more business now. It's not about the music anymore. I
know it's called music business, you know, but it's more
business now than it is music. And I think that's
the biggest thing that I see. UM think that when
like you have a great artist and then it all
boils down to like a dollar bottom line and it's like, well,
we're gonna be done with you because financially working, and
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I get it, it's a music business. And then you know,
trying to change an artist to match another artist who's
out there that's successful, to morph this so then you
have this other artist, like let's morph this artist into
that one so they'll have success, and it's not all
about the soul of that artist, and like believing in
it now, that's why I mean so just so to
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start out for what I do, So I do A
and R, I do I have a publishing company, and
then I do manage. So that's the three things that
I kind of like I am dealing with right now.
So like put my A and R right now. I'm
looking for songs for Tim and Keith. So that's my
A and R job. Tim and Ron Keith Urban, I
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mean hello, hello, and then um, my publishing company. I
have a publishing company where I have, um, a couple
of writers signed, I have a couple of artists signed.
And then and then the management company I have which
I started probably three years two years ago, really started
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going on three years. Um, I have four X. Sam
Williams who I got to see him. I he's Hank
Williams junior son, and he is so cool and unique
and soulful and he has like a beautiful darkness to
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him in a way, just like that he puts out
through because like he has some sad parts of his
life that he expresses through his music so powerful, powerfully,
especially one about losing his sister. Is it called snow Angels.
That one is well he just put that one out
so yeah, that one was, Um, the World Alone was
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the one that uh yeah, the World Alone was not
supposed to be a song about his sister. That song
was written and recorded before his sister passed away, a
year before his sister passed away, and after his sister
passed away, we just he just felt that that took
on a whole another whole, another meaning. And then snow
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Angels snow Angels was an outside song that Yes, so
I've had snow Angels and and you know Andrew Dor.
You remember Andrew was a writer on it. So it's
Andrew Dor, Hillary Lindsay and Johnny Price and I have
tried to get every body to cut this song, snow
angel It just moves you. It just it moved me.
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And I just was like I never could understand why, what? What?
You know? And so I played it for Sam and
He's like, oh my god, I love this and I'm
gonna cut it. And Sam uh changed a few lines,
so he is a writer on the song, but he
changed he added, you know, some pretty important lines that
really really brought it around. And so that song could
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be about his sister, it could be about a relationship,
you know, it could be about anything. But yeah, that's
an out that was an outside song that I've had forever.
I love that about Sam because that kind of reflects
to me, like that you manage someone like him because
he's obviously comes from Royalty Hankling Junior, don't get any
bigger than that. But he is so unique, like he's
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not your typical Nashville artists. Like even with his style
he's like definitely fashion forward and like he uses a
lot of like he accentuates a lot with his style
and it's so awesome to see. And I love that
because I feel like sometimes people are scared and an
artist wh's outside of the box, like oh gosh, they're
not going to fit into this Nashville mole. But yeah,
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he I mean we were like with Sam, we were
like just doing our own thing a year ago, you know,
we were doing everything independently and doing really well. And
then you know, I had always said, you know, there's
one label you know that I feel like could really
get you, would be universal, and uh Cindy May heard
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his stuff, fell in love with it immediately was like
I have to I have to sign this kid. I
have to sign this kid. And everybody at his end
Sam's life even to like like his publicist Luke Berlin
out of l A. You know, she heard him and
was like call me. She's like, I don't care, I
don't have to be paid. I don't care. I just
want to work with him. He so good. But you know,
kind we were just like doing our thing independently, and
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there's something to be said about doing your own thing independently.
And you know, but there's also a double edged sword
there because you know, you can only get to a
certain spot independently. If you want to go to that
next level, you really have to have the support of
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a major backing and the muscle. And so a year
ago he we signed UM the Universal. But it's kind
of awesome because independently he could build the team around
him who got believed in him. He didn't just get
thrown into a system. People kind of got as signed
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to him. It's like he got pick and choose the
people that are really integral parts of the team and build.
And when he goes to the label, he's coming in strong,
like he's coming in his force. Yes, and and and
the thing is to any anyone out there, an artist
that is just starting out, build your team, build your tribe.
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You cannot do it alone. You have to have a
team of people around you. It doesn't have to be big,
but you know you, I mean, it takes a lot
and it's hard, and you know you have to have
you have to have your team. You gotta find you. You
You gotta find your team as an artist, what do
you think if you're a new artist starting out What
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are some of the key things to look for when
picking a team, Like what if you just if you're
if you're just starting to build it, what would you
look for? What, what kind of passion? What are you
What the skills that the people need to have that
you get on your team. Um, I think skills for
right now. You need to have a marketing person. You
need to have a social media person. It's very important.
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Everything is all about social media content. It's so important
to have. Um like the social media team. You can
you can do it with the label, Yes you can,
but the label has a ton of artists that they
work with, so they don't have a lot of time.
Um As, I can not even believe I'm saying this,
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but it's TikTok Learn TikTok. It's that it's awful, I know.
But some really good artists have come through TikTok. And
I can't believe Walker Hayes, who's been in music country
music forever, he just broke through TikTok and he's been
an amazing artist forever, but like finally he was able
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to be seen. Three. Yeah, you gotta get your marketing person,
you have to get your creative person. You have to
get your social media person, and then you have your manager,
who is the hub. Your manager is the hub of
the person that oversees all these people. And it's a
manager's job is to making sure that everybody is going
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in the same direction, you know, And so the manager
acts as the hub for all these people. Your publicist,
you're all of this. So you have enitor. What do
you feel like, Obviously you're just experience in your natural
like gut instinct towards songs and and all that. What
do you feel like really makes a great manager now
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that you are actually in this role, because you are
so incredible. I think it's I think there's a couple
of things. I think it's you gotta have passion. You
gotta have passion for the artist that you're working with.
You have to love. I mean, you've gotta You've just
you gotta have passion. That's the number one. Um blinders,
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just going for it on every every everything. You go
for it. You put yourself out there, you put your
artists out there, You go for it. You don't be afraid.
You um, you hustle, you hustle. And I'm a new manager,
you know, I'm not a Jason Owen of the world.
I'm not you know, Jason is a whole another spot,
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you know, I'm not that. But but hustle is that
just like not everyone needs that level. Sometimes you need
someone like you who's willing to get in get in
the weeds, yeah, get in the weeds. Yeah. And but
it's it's it's hustle, and it's it's it's believing in
your artists enough to go out there with blinder zone
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and making stuff happen and yeah, it will happen. And um,
that's that's it. Yeah, coominence as a manager and put
yourself out there. You do, you do. You cannot be afraid.
You cannot be afraid to put yourself out there. And
that just calmes that just comes with it comes with age.
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It just comes you know. You just you just get
to a point of our you know what, the worst
the worst you're gonna get is a no right now,
And don't be afraid to get a know. Just keep going, right,
there's so many knows, there's gonna be so many nose
before there's gonna be a yes. But you don't stop
and you don't give up. You just keep going. Have
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you enjoyed the wisdom that has come with age. Yes,
so much, so much confidence. Confidence. If I could just
tell my twenty two year old self, it's the confidence.
It's that I don't give a ship anymore. That's it.
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If I could just go back and tell myself that
at twenty two years old, and just the confidence is
that this is so important and you have to kind
of like live into the confident yet a bit of
it all. You gotta like actually live into it. There's
a saying. There's a saying that I look at every
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day that I have it on my phone and I'm
gonna pull it up right now, and it's what in
the saying is, um, don't be afraid to be a
bit Yeah, don't be scared to be a bit yeah.
And then seems like you have to be like rude
or just standing your ground, in your ground, standing your ground.
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What have you learned about celebrities? Because you have very
intimate relationships and like best friend relationships with some of
the top celebrities. And I feel like so many people
put celebrities on a pedestal, like we think that so
that the celebrities just have this life that I think
we're starting to see more because people are using social
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media to give us such real insights into their life.
Like we're realizing that celebrities are real too. But what
have you learned about celebrities and like how they navigate
their life and like what it's like in that world.
I don't, you know, I don't know. I mean, you know,
I'm just only know, you know, for like Tim and
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Faith because we're so you know, I'm very close with
them and very close to Faith and how they have
dealt with They're they're so celebrity. You know, I've watched
and they are the most humble people staying humble? Is
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it for celebrity staying humble? And I've seen it with them.
I've seen it firsthand. They are so humble and so
thankful and so appreciative of their fans. They they do
set their boundaries. You have to set there, you have
to set your boundaries. But they also know the importance
of that um And I've just seen nothing but great
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as far as them being celebrities, just just you know,
nothing but respect and classy. You know of how they
handle things and when they're just out eating dinner, you know,
when you're just out eating dinner and people come up
to them and how they handle themselves and they're not
rude to people. They know that they put themselves in
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this that they you know, they are a liberty and
people are going to come up to them and they
just handle it so so well. And I feel like
some people don't, you know, um. And they also have
done a good job of creating, like, like you said, boundaries,
like creating a very private world for themselves as well,
because like I feel like they have a very strong
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family unit that private, like they share some of it,
but like their family and their life feels like they
have created that safety they have. And their girls are
just if you they're girls are. It's just a test
amount of how they've raised their girls. Their girls are
just not pretentious. I mean nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. They
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are beautiful, beautiful girls. And they've done a faith has
done an amazing job as a mom. Well, a huge
moment where she like stepped away from the hype of
her career. Literally she was on fire and she stepped
away to raise her water. Is if that doesn't just
tell you where her priorities are and where as a family,
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that's huge. That girl loves her family loves her family,
and she's she's a god fearing woman. She's amazing. That's amazing,
it's so excited. It's so wonderful to hear stories like that.
You know of Slurberty couples that are strong and that
have great like and keeps the same way Kei. I
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don't know Keith as well as I do you know
Tim and Faith, but just the times that I've been
around Keith, I mean, it's just like he is so
willing to help everyone and and and and helping. And
what I'm seeing like with with like the Kinney chats
and heeds the keys and the Tim's is helping these
people that are behind them, helping them. That is so important,
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you know, to be that way, It's help that next
person on. It's so enlightened to be that way. When
you get to that point in your career year where
you are so successful and on top of your game
and you could totally be an asshole if you want,
but you view it more as like I mean, I
don't know if you like if this is the correct term,
but it feels like more of like a calling, more
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like a spiritual thing at this point where it's like
you've had all these blessings and you are so it's
like part of their job and duty is to help others.
Even Tim mcgrawl singing the song humble and kind, like,
once you get to the top, turn around and grab
the hand of the personally. Absolutely that song. I'll tell
you how I found that song. That is I'm gonna
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saying this right now. There are so many great songs,
but to me, that is the most perfect song about
life that you could ever have, Humble and kind. Laurie
McKenna wrote it, Tim singing it, It's just incredible. How
did you find it? That was? You know, I go
to publishing companies. This is back pre COVID and all that,
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but I would go to like the big publishing companies
like Universal Warner Bros. I'd go like every other week
to each one, and it was my data, you know,
hang out at Universal and Travis Gordon played He's like,
oh my god, you gotta hear this song. He said, Lorie,
it was basically just written as a poem and he
played me just the voice recording of LORI recording. Yeah,
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it was just literally a voice recording of the song,
and it just it just hit me I mean it
was just the I mean, there was you know, the
lyrics were just like I mean, it was literally written
as a poem to her kids, and um. I took
it to Tim and he loved it, and he um
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it sat it sat around for a little bit, you know,
Tim cut it and it set around, you know, for
a little bit. You know, I didn't know what's sure,
you know, quite sure what to do with it or whatever.
And then I can't remember. I think it was when
he was on Big Machine the first time, and I
think I don't remember how the song got to be
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the single or anything of what the conversation was, I
can't remember. But yeah, that song was just a voice
recording and yeah, it just hit me. How does that
feel to you? Because that has to feel I can't
even imagine what that feels like to bring life to
a song. Like, yes, there's all these great songs out
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there that deserve these huge lives, but they don't get
them necessarily. But for you to find a song on
a voice memo from Roy mckenne who's one of the
greatest writers ever. But this is a voice momo song.
It's not it's not ready to be pat or anything.
Like that, but you hear it and it hits you
when probably a lot of other people have heard the
song and they just sort of were like, really, yeah,
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I think but don't know that you heard it, you
took it, you got it to Tim, and then you
watched it because this moment and didn't win like Song
of the Year. Yeah, I think so. I think so.
And you know another thing is is that when you
go to the studio with a bachelor songs, you really
don't know like what song is gonna stick its head up.
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You don't know what song that the fairy dust is
gonna fall on. You know, the players, the music, the
way it comes together, the sound that's made, the vocal delivery,
like so much beyond you can't play it out. Yeah,
you're right, yeah you can't. It's just, you know the
same thing with Breathe when I was kind of like
when I brought Breathe in, I've preached that song to
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Tim Hill. Yeah. So anyway, I found that song and
I'm like, Tim, I really think you should record this song.
I'm let me play it for you. And Tim's like,
you know, I really don't think I can do that,
but you really need to play this song for faith.
I've played it for Faith and again it was a
song that going into the studio, nobody was like, oh
my god, this song is this song is a smash,
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this is this is you know, this is the song.
It was not like that. It would just when they
went into the studio and they cut it, there was
freaking magic around it for whatever reason, and they do
a lot of it has to do with the artists,
like where they are in their life, what who they
are in their life, like Tim, I mean they've being
in love with Tim and like and then the music vio,
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Oh my god, in the middle of like the wherever
they were, like the desert or whatever. That was the yeah,
we're like hearing your all of her hands like this Yeah,
I mean it was just you could you. I believed
every word of that song. Thing about her. I believed it,
you know, and it made you I did not believes
you are freaking amazing like that is You're so sweet.
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But how does that feel to you when you have
that happen, Because it's like it starts off so small
you hear this song, and then it becomes breathe that
it becomes humble and kind like proud. You's proud. You're
just like a little proud mama. It's like you know,
you know, and it's like you know, you know, and
it's like, well, people are like, well, why don't you
just get somebody to look, you know, listen to songs
for you? You're you're busy right now. Why don't you
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just get And I'm like, no, that that's just like
I can't like just I can't just like turn over,
not just anyone can do that. It's like it's yeah,
ye spiritual deep yeah, yeah, thing that you can't just
like train someone like you. It's it's a gift, really,
it's a I don't know if it's a gift. I
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have no idea, but I know I can't sing a lick,
you know, by the way, I can't hear I can
hear pitch a little bit, and I think I can
hear pitch now because I've listened to so many songs
that I can kind of sing on pitch now. But
I can't sing a lick, you know. But I don't know.
It's it's it's it's it's a proud it's a little
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proud moment. Yeah, I'll have to say it is saying
the artists who have the long careers, who are the
legacy artists who really impact in a big way, not
just to splash. What do they have that makes them
that way as opposed to someone else, Like what makes
an artist a legendary artist? What makes them? Yeah? Man,
that's a great question. I don't know. I feel like
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there's I feel like their work ethic, you know, and
how bad you really really want it, and then once
you get there, your work ethic and how you keep
it going, and how you surround yourself with your team
and how you treat your team members. Uh, no arrogance,
you know, just staying humble. Um. Also, the the wisdom,
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the smarts to know, like to cut an outside song. Yeah,
you don't have to write it. You don't have to
write everything. Be smart enough to know that if a
great outside song comes around, to go in and cut
the outside song. You know, so many artists are like, oh,
I'm not doing outside songs. I'm not gonna cut an
outside song. We look at timor Bode look like you're dying. Yeah,
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I mean all the artists that McKinney, heath, um, how
many cunning outside the house that Bill me that this
biggest song and that was an outside song. And it
doesn't mean you're not a great writer. Yeah, just ego
out of the way. Get your ego out of the way,
and never close yourself off to thinking you're you know,
too good to just not record outside songs. You think
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true great artists do it for the love of the music,
not for the love of the same. Yeah, yeah, I
really do. M Yeah, what has being a mother of
three girls during all that's taught you? How do you
balance that? What have you learned from motherhood and being
a working mom just through mother just learning how to
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multitask and doing it successfully. And you can't do it.
Guys can't multitask. I'm sorry, they just can't. You know,
women are born multitaskers, they really are. And raising three
girls at a time, you know, when I was really
really busy, but I always never missed a game, never
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missed any sporting event. Was always there for them. Um,
and just just being presents as busy as you are.
And and and you know with your children, like when
you're with them, being fully present, not be present, and
they know, they know, they know that you're present. Yeah,
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they know when you're present. When you're checked out, you know,
they know, so that's so important. What have I'm gonna
wrap up soon because I'm her. I know, You've got
other things to do, because it's interest. What have you
learned about being in a relationship with another power player
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in the music industry? And how have you walked that line?
You no doubt that has been you know, as a woman. Um,
it's a really good question. Um. I was never back
when he was like and like when he was producing
and really like you know, producing a lot of act
you know, I was always and I was in the background,
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you know, I never I never was you know, a
person a woman at that time. Oh look at me
right here. I'm the one that found this song and
this song and this song. I just always and I
was always in the background. I was always under the radar,
you know what I mean. And and sometimes I think
it's really cool to kind of like fly under the
(52:24):
radar a little bit, you know. And um, and then
you know it just got, you know, it just got
as I got older and you know, and Barron's you know,
producing career kind of you know, he's only like producing
like Tim right now, Um, I am more now, like bitch,
(52:47):
here I am, you know, like you time to kind
of step up. My mom always told me that she's like,
it's in a marriage, it's never equal at the same time.
Yeah yeah, so kind of like Eddie and owing like
maybe one at one season by kind of taking off
the career because it's like happening and then it flows
(53:08):
like your turn and it's like not eventful of that. Yeah, yeah,
very well. Dance, Yeah, yep, pretty much. So it's a
beautiful dance though. I'm loving it. I'm loving I'm loving
what I'm doing right now. I'm loving where I am
right now. It is very hard, um, but I'm having
(53:30):
a lot of fun. But see, you're amazing. You're such
an inspiration. You're gonna make me cry. Inspiration to young
women and women in general who hey like starting off
like your life started on a different trajectory. You're married
someone else out of high school. It's probably a whole
different set of dreams, and you have the intuition to
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change that based on your gut guiding you and the
way you've gotten into publishing, and trust your gut with
hearing songs and not being scared to be bold and
fearless and put yourself out there and push for what
you believed in and then like even with the coffee shop,
trusting your intuition on that management. I mean, you're being
a mother and a wife on top of it. Like
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the fact that you are doing all this and you're
such a grounded, amazing, gut driven, soulful person. It's so
inspiring for women to see a woman like you who
figured out how to do it and be fulfilled and
tors your soul and to trust your gifts and talents.
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And it's inspiring to see a woman who's led a
life like yours. That's really something to look up to. Oh,
you're so sweet. You're gonna make me cross. I was
so emotional over Thanksgiving. I don't know why. I was
just very in a good way, you know. But um,
but that's so sweet and that makes me feel just
(54:54):
just I can't tell you how how that makes me feel. Well.
You should be so proud and so important for women
to have role models like you to look up to
to say like, listen, you can do it. You can
do this, Like you can make your dreams happen, and
you can be a power player and you can figure
out how to make this happen, and you can be great.
Just figure out what you're great at and you can
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do it like you are that inspiration and that is
really awesome. And I am so grateful to know you, Missy.
I'm so glad you're in grant Wood. I want to
end with leave your Light, which is I always wrap
up with, like it's basically, what do you want people
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to know? Leave your life? What I all want people
to like to know about me? Like you about life?
Just open ended? What do you want people to know
about you? And what do you want people to know
about life? Life is fragile and it can be taken
(55:58):
from you at any second. So live your dreams and
dream big. You don't have to dream big. Some people's
dreams can be It doesn't have to be like this,
dream big all the time. You don't have to dream big.
Some people do dream big. You don't have to dream big.
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Just dream your dream And but life is fragile, and
and you just go for it, go for it and
and be humble and be um. Be humble, but also
be what's the word helped me? Be humble? But be
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consistent and um and true to yourself, you know, but
always stay humble with with things and be a nice person.
I love that. What are you gonna talk about you
about me? Uh gosh, I am um boy. I wear
my heart on my sleeve. I'm very, very very I'm
(57:05):
a very I'm a very passionate person. I'm a very
um in the moment person um. But I'm a very
passionate person and I fight, you know, I fight for
my people. So I love that. Miss. Thank you so
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much for coming on, and thank you for coming on
in such a I would have gone it last night, girl.
I was like tempted to do it last night, but
I was like so tired and I wanted to watch.
I was like when I said I could last night,
I was like, oh crap, I forgot. It's yellow Stone
(57:45):
spin off or something coming out. Oh Tim, And oh yeah,
it's called eight three. And they I think they I
think that the season comes out in like three weeks
and Tim both in it. Oh my god, they're huge,
huge characters, huge parts in this. And uh. Faith said
it's the hardest thing she has ever done physically. She
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says it is so hard. But she they're they're so
excited about it and they loved it. Where did they
shoot it all. They've been in Montana, they've been in Texas.
I think they were flying back out. They flew in
from Texas and then I think they flew back out
to Texas and are filming in Texas, but they're mostly
in Montana in Texas. Wow, And did they have to
just go be on set for months at a time
(58:30):
and shoot it? Yeah, they had to go to like
cowboy camp, you know, and complete like this Cowboy count,
which Faith said was the most intense thing she's ever done.
I cannot wait to see her in this. I've just
apparently she is just killing it. What's that one scene
where she's like throwing herself on the ground and like screaming,
And I'm like, gosh, like that is acting like crazy.
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Imagine how roles like that change you as a human,
you know, right, I know, I know, I cannot wait
to see you. I'm so proud of her, really proud
of her. Tim's just up there, He's just I'm like
that big old beard. I'm like, oh my god, I'm like,
does he does he when does he get to shave
that all? Need it fully? Beard? He has? Oh god,
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he's a good looking, like a world man. You know
oh man, that's not that beer is thick, and like,
oh no, it's too much. Just look at man is
I'm telling you, what do I get stuck? All of it? Well,
all right, so much for joining me. You are truly amazing,
and you're such a bright light in the music industry
(59:41):
and what you have done and accomplished in every aspect
of your life. I hope you firing, so I had
to like pop bounce all four minutes, so so sorry,
but thank you for coming on and with the second's notice,
you're the best. All right, maybe all right, I'll see you,
Bi Bi
Caroline, she's a queen and talking if she's getting really
not afraid to feel it, so so just let it flu.
No one can do we cry, Carol Lear sounds Carole,
I'm so excited. I'm gonna miss Galimore. And she we
(00:29):
got on here this morning and she's like, man, you're
fine about it. Set to your pants and I'm like, yeah,
we booked this interview last night and I'm yesterday. I'm like,
do you want to do an interview tomorrow in the morning?
What about tonight? And I'm like, I'm such a hot
mess express I am always just like booking things in
the most random times. But I mean, it works, right,
it works. It's a beautiful chaos, beautiful mass. It stresses
(00:54):
me out though, because I and I was telling you this,
like I'm about to meet with a brand coach and
try to get my life in order, because sometimes I'm
literally like I have so much just like in my
brain in the air that I needed to be structured
and I feel like I need to come up with
some plans, and you said that you have done that.
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Because first off, everyone listening, Missy Gallamore is country music legend.
She and her husband are like one of the biggest
power couples in Nashville. Missy was a publisher, she's a manager.
Her husband, Byron, is a huge producer. He's done so
like all Tim mcgirl's stuff and like Faith Hills like
your best friend. I mean, I'm telling you, Missy, is
(01:39):
it you have seen Nashville through it all, like you
know everything. If you didn't know even think about Nashville
the country music industry, we need to talk to Missy Gallimark,
which is why fucking look a freakod intro. And you're
also a mom. You have three daughters, right yeah, yeah,
but you have faith in him like match because they
(02:01):
have three dollars, right, I know, and they're all the
same age. Did y'all plan that we know? We didn't.
That's so funny, but no, no, I will tell you
a funny story though Faith planned. Barrone and I are wedding. Well,
I didn't have a big wedding. No, we didn't have
like a big wedding. But Barrone and I had been
together for a really long time and like no plans
(02:22):
of really like just getting married. We were like just loving,
you know, just the idea of just not being married.
You know, because we were both married before and it's
been we've been together a long time. And Faith was like, um,
she's like, you guys are getting married. So we got
married where Tim shot. It was in Arizona, where Tim
(02:45):
shot his Everywhere video, and we got married in Arizona.
Faith went and picked out my dress, the whole thing.
She put dropped the whole thing, and uh found the
place supposed to get married in this little the Laredo
Chapel and uh Sedona and that's where we got married.
And Tim and Faith were like there and that was it.
That was it. She kind of was like he was
(03:08):
the one that kind of like pushed, and you know,
it was like okay, well you guys are gonna get
married now. And we got married all in the video
you know where he did his video, and it was
pretty funny, pretty comical. That's kind of awesome. So after
being married once, is it kind of hard to want
to get married again? That makes a lot of sense.
You already kind have been there, done that, you found
someone that you love, You're like, let's let's just let's
just keep it how it is and not mess it up. Yeah,
(03:31):
it was like I had been you know, I had
been in a relationship married. I married my high school sweetheart.
I knew I wasn't supposed to marry him. I knew
the day that I married him. It was like, oh God,
this is not it. But everybody thought that that's what
the thing that I needed to do because we had
dated for so long. That's what I guess. I thought
you were listening to this right now? Who feels the
way you feel? Because I feel a lot of like
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a lot of people feel pressure to actually like there's
this first wave of marriage. You get out of high
school or college or whatever, and it's like you have
all this pressure that you've got to start your life
and you're on this really intense timeline that if you
don't get married by the time like like your early twenties,
which is you're gonna be old, you're never gonna get married.
So what would you tell someone who is like in
(04:13):
it right now, who was feeling all that pressure that
maybe even the wedding plan and they want to get out,
like it feels like you can't get out, Like, what
would you tell them? Um, Well, first of all, I
would say, first thing is like, don't you know, like
I dated one guy all through high school, all through
you know, college, don't date one guy all through high
(04:38):
school all through college because it's just you know, looking back,
and I tell my girls this all the time. You know,
if I had one thing to do over, it would
be that that I would date around. I mean, I haven't,
you know, I've only you know, been with two two guys,
you know, and that's like, I don't want that for
you guys you don't really have a chance to really know,
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you know. And the other extreme where you don't want
to go too far and too far, but you don't
want to just like you don't have to date. I
never dated. I never dated, and I regret that I
never dated. And I I just knew the day, you know,
just you can't fall into pressure. There's so much pressure
now with these young people graduating high school and college,
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and especially for girls, there's so much pressure. And you
just gotta listen to your heart and listen to your gut.
I knew, I knew, and I knew it was not
the right thing for me to do, but I did
it anyway. And then two years later, I was like,
I'm done, I'm out. I can't do it anymore. Did
you like it, just like that sick feeling. I've had
(05:44):
that in my life several times. Obviously not like with
like a marriage, but actually with Michael on our relationship,
we broke up before we got married because I had
that overwhelming feeling like this is not the right timing.
It was just timing for us, not the Yeah, I'm
so glad I listened to myself and didn't get married
when I wasn't ready, you know, because it is it
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is hard to make a big move that's life altering,
that affects everyone else, and you feel all this pressure
that you're gonna like ruin your life ruin someone else says,
everyone's gonna be mad at you. But really, I do
it before you get all locked in, because then it's
a bigger mess. Just be really in tune with your feelings.
Just really be into to your sale and and and
(06:28):
and your gut. Your gut is never ever ever going
to lead you wrong. I'm believer in your gut. Go
with your gut. Have you worked on that? Have you
developed that skill? Because if I was gonna tell anybody anything,
because like I started this podcast off with you, I
am a hot mess. Express you said you used to
fly by the city of your pants. But now that
you're in management, you're much more organized, and I want
(06:49):
to hear how you've gotten organized, because I want to
take those tips. But the one thing that I feel
like over I have felt like over my thirty eight
years of life, especially like coming to the music industry
when I was nine teen and like being so green
and naive and not knowing what in the f I
was doing to now like really having an understanding and
like developed community and you know, developed myself in this industry.
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The one thing I would tell anyone, like you said,
is to develop listening to your gut, like that is
going to guide you, especially when you're in a career
that you can't really like lock down it, you can't
really like it's not like a set path. You have
to developed that gut intuition. How have you developed that?
You know? That's a good question. I don't know. I
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think I've always you know, we would you one. Two.
It's you know, it's it's very hard to feel comfortable
with yourself and in you know, in your in your
body and your second guessing everything so much. But I
think I think it just comes with with with age
and just you know. Yeah, I think it just comes
(07:52):
from being older and um, you know, just living through
uh huh, working through stuff, just going through it. Yeah,
just going through stuff and then realizing, you know what,
looking back, you know what, my gut was really saying
to me, I shouldn't have done that. I really shouldn't
have done that. Just so you just gotta go through
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it to get to that, you know. But you've got
to go through a bunch of stuff, a bunch of
s h I t to get there. But you've got
well the second you feel it, like now, is your
gut your guide? Like, can you tell in a second
if it's a yes or no base on pretty much? Yeah,
and I go by it. I'll let I I follow it.
I do I yes, yes, Yes, you're not empowering, Yeah,
(08:36):
it's so empowering. And I'm so big on manifestation too.
You know. That is a big thing that I've kind
of like you know, started doing within like the last
last year and a half is writing down my affirmations
and writing it down and manifesting and that's really, you know,
something that I'm really into now too. You might done
(08:57):
your manifestations and your affirmations like I have to go
up right here to you where it's like my father
and I also keep are the affirmations that you write?
So say for me, like one day I want to
go on a podcast tour, Like I want to like
go to certain markets and go on a little bit
of a podcast tour and have really special guests and
have like meaningful conversations. Would you write with the affirmation
(09:20):
that you write down and be like, I am so
thankful for my uh soul giving podcast tour? Like do
you write it down? And it's already write it down.
I just write down things that I thinks that I
want to do, thanks, that I want to be successful
at things, you know, basically just yeah, things that I
just want to do, things that I want to be
successful at, things that I want to get better at.
(09:44):
Uh all coming from your soul? Like is your soul
the one telling you what these things are? Because Michael
and I have really gotten big into like understanding your
why and your purpose, Like why do I want to
do this? Like yes, of course the giving Everyone wants
to have financials, want successful financially, so that's given, But
(10:04):
a bigger why, like why do I want to do
these things? You is your what are you motivated from
your soul? And like your wife? Yeah, I am. I
mean and it could be like it could be like
you know, little it could be just like a little
affirmation or a little thing like you know, gosh, I
need I really need focus today because I am not
(10:26):
focusing today. I write that ship down, Um, write it down.
How would you write that down? That's right, you know,
give me the strength to focus today. And that's how
I would write that down. Just just just just scribble it.
I have, you would if you if you could see
my desk right now, I have. I have stuff like
(10:47):
little books and I love to write. See I love,
I love. You can see where I've just written. I
just write my minute. Go back this way? This is
Is there something about putting pen to paper that makes it? God? Yeah?
So I mean look at this. There's another one another book.
Everything just everything in it book everywhere Rd's in there?
(11:07):
What's in that one? That? Okay, well that's a whole
another like podcast. This is when I opened my coffee shop.
When I was opening my coffee shop, this is my
book of my coffee and everybody, every just everything related
to when I opened the coffee shop of companies and
businesses that I wanted to get in business with. And
(11:30):
and you know, like Lucy's Kitchen makes great cinnamon rolls.
There's Lucy's Kitchen right there. I mean, like you, so
when you started your coffee shop, and I want to
hear about that book. Here's another book every just turned
the pages of affirmations and yeah, when you started your
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coffee shop, for example, and you're like looking for vendors
to partner with, do you take note and only bring
in vendors that you love? So it's like you love
those cinema roles. So it's like we're making And that's
what I feel like really brings the electricity to whether
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it's an artist, whether it's anyone who has a successial
job like a manager or like a or like a
coffee shop or like a yoga student, whatever, it's when
it is filled with love. Like everything in there is
not to make money, although yes it is to make money.
That's there because it is driven from I love this,
(12:32):
Like this is helpful to me. This is what is
fueling me in this area. Do you feel do you
feel that? And that's eat if you're coming So, I mean,
and you're talking about like flying by the seat of
your pants. When I opened this coffee shop, it was
on my freaking whim, like you about this, When did
you do this? I did that? It's I did. It
will be in business June third, will be five years,
(12:55):
and how huh is it? It's great, it's just now.
I mean it truly does take, you know for a
small business. Its true. You know, everyone says five years.
It's like the magic number of when you start seeing
the other side of opening up a small business and
it's successful. So we are just now seeing it. You know,
(13:17):
right after COVID is when it really just went up.
Our ourselves went up. It was crazy. So well is it?
So everyone listening can go. It's it's Coffee and Coconuts.
It's in Franklin, Tennessee. It's called Coffee and Coconuts. So
I love coffee, I love the beach, and I love music,
and so in my coffee shop, I've incorporated everything related
(13:41):
to that. So when you walk in Coffee Coconuts, you
really feel like you're in Malibu or you're on thirty A.
It's very it's very, very beechy. Everything's white, the floor's turquoise.
It's beautiful, beautiful. Yeah, tell me how you started this.
And this is another thing that I want to get
into with you, because you're such a great egg ample
of this and like I said in beginning, you and
(14:02):
your husband together are such a power couple, are such
a royalty for Nashville, and what you have accomplished so
much of it is taking these leaps of faith, which
I feel like is really important to do. And it's
also the hardest thing to do because a lot of
times you have to put yourself out there financially, a
lot of times you have to put yourself out there
(14:22):
emotionally and expose yourself and like you have the risk
of failing and that people can see and you might
lose money. It's hard to take, huge hard you have
to go. You have to take a leap of faith
or you can't. Um, you can't. You you just can't.
You know, if you don't, where are you gonna be
in live? Um? Yeah, Um, You're gonna be stuck. You're
(14:44):
gonna be stuck. You have to, Like I took a
leap of I knew nothing about coffee, absolutely nothing, And
I can remember the day. I can remember the day
I got the call about someone asking me if I
wanted to put a coffee shop there, and I just
was light. I was at a red light. I was
at a freaking red light when I said yes, And
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you like go through your body and like check yourself
because I do that, and you check yourself like no resistance.
It feels good, like I don't know what I'm doing.
It was yeah, and then it was like whatever season
I was in like five years ago, Um, I can
never duplicate that again. I love that. I love you.
(15:27):
Can I put you on Paul's for can we stop
recording for just a minute? Or is it? Can we
do it? Yeah? So it's just perfect that you would
have to take a call on the middle of list
because Missy is like, I call a text her yesterday
to work out this podcast. She worked it into her
day at eleven, but she's still managing, so she had
(15:49):
like a man a management emergency call coming through. She's like, yeah,
I'm like that, they're gonna go take this call. I mean,
you're so awesome, My god, am I have to do
And I might have to do Paul's and another time,
but hopefully not. I wouldn't do it if it wasn't
an emergency. I'm so sorry. You see, it's fine. And
this podcast is called Get Real and it's about interviewing
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the majority of my guests are women who are badass
women doing incredible things and multitasking, juggling at all. So
this is just about as real as it gets and
I love it. I love all right. Okay, anyway, you
have to take a leak of faith if you ever
want to get anywhere in life, you just cannot sit
back and stand back and let's fear, um, take hold
(16:31):
of your life and not do anything you have to.
And you know, you you there's some people that get that,
and then there's some people that don't. And you know, um,
when did you start jumping? And what if you're someone
who's like, I want to take a leap of faith.
I have this vision, but I'm a single mom, I
(16:51):
have kids. I don't have enough money to take this risk.
I feel like I'm drowning. Like what does someone like that? Do?
You know? Uh? You know, there's all kinds of like
small business loan, especially for women, there's all kinds of things.
If you really want to do something really really bad enough,
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you're gonna find a way to make it work. And um,
you know if I if I didn't have the money
to open it, I would have gone and gotten a
small business loan and and done it. That way. I
needed to open a coffee shop at that time in
my life. How did you needed to? Because I just
had done everything was like everything in my whole life
up until the coffee shop five years ago was music, everything,
(17:37):
and I needed an outlet. I didn't know what that
outlet was. I just needed another outlet. And I just
was at this little place and I thought, oh my god,
this is the cutest place for a coffee shop. And
I inquired about it and I think it was supposed
to be a ups store is what it was supposed
to be. Well that fell through and then they called
me and they're like, hey, us till interest in putting
(17:58):
up a coffee shop. And I just was like, yeah,
let's do it. Let's go. So for the whole that
that year, I just went to school to learn everything
about coffee. Uh you're doing music, huh. I would go
to Krema. I would take classes at Krema. Do you
know the coffee shop Krema for school? H Yeah? They
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offer school on how to make you know coffee, different
coffee drinks because I love their cubans so much. And um,
so I don't know. I just hired someone a consultant
who just taught me everything there was to know about
coffee and learned that way and but still doing music
and you know, I don't know. It was just, um
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it was a It was a great thing, and I
don't I don't think I could do it again. Though
whatever season I was in, I did it, but I
don't think I could do for Kim again. I was
in that season. I love love that you said that,
because you get certain inspiration and certain boasts of energy
(19:05):
for certain dreams of your life. But they are a
season because after you do it, you like you have
all this energy and motivation and it's exactly what your
soul is calling for and you probably just flowed. Everything flows,
and I feel like with it's not that it's not
hard work, and it's not that you don't have to
do so much, but when you're in the flow of
(19:25):
that season, it all just starts like kind of lining up,
and everything sort of starts filling together. And yes, all
these hard things, but it feels enjoyable and like you're
selling it and it's speaking to you, and you put
in so much energy. But then you look back and
I feel that some way it's like you could never
do it again, Like it's like you had to seize
that moment. Yeah you did. I had to, yeah, And
and I'm so thankful that I did it. I don't
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regret one I do not regret one second, because I've
met so many beautiful people. I've met people that like
music business people that come in there all the time,
that will come up to me and go, oh my god,
I love your coffee shop. I wish just in there,
no idea you know that they even you know that
they did they even come in there. So I met
uh artists that I managed by the name of Abby Kane,
(20:11):
who was on Big Machine. I met her at the
coffee shop. I heard her singing. I had I do
music at the coffee shop and she was there performing
and um she was singing. The coffee shop was really crowded,
and she started singing and I kind of like stopped
what I was doing and I'm like, who is this girl?
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And I found out who she was and just stalked
her until I could work with her. And that was
That was that was four and a half years ago.
And um, you know she's signed to Big Machine a
year ago, two years ago, pretty like she signed right
before COVID hit. Is that two years ago? Yes? Years ago?
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I don't even know anymore. So anyway, you know, it's
it's it's been such a positive man. How lucky to
be stalked by Missy Gallimore. I stopped that girl like
I had to where I was like, I gotta work
with you. So you know, I worked with her from
the beginning, you know, starting out and publishing and developing her,
getting her songs together, pitched her, got her a deal,
(21:16):
you know. So it was amazing. Okay, so let's kind
of talk about this because you have some major insider perspective. Uh,
Like you just said all those things to get an
artist ready to get signed, it took. It takes two years.
And you can have this raw natural talent, and some
people do get signed off of raw natural talent. But
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there's a lot that goes into making an artist. And
so talk to me about your journey to music and
how you got into publishing and what you did and
do as a publisher. Well, when I first started, I
worked for Charlie Prode who gosh killed me when he
passed away. Absolutely, he gave me my first start, started us.
(22:01):
It was he had a publishing company and I was
still in school at Mt SHO. So I was kind
of like I was married at the time, not to Byron,
but Uh. And I was working at his publishing company,
doing a minister work part time and still going to school.
And so I did that for probably a couple of
(22:22):
years and now I met got a divorce, met Byron. Uh.
Byron was a writer, Um, did you know you company?
He would write there a lot. Yeah, and Uh, I
eventually worked my way up to like song plugger, you know,
(22:42):
like plugging songs, you know. And then Byron and I
met Uh. His music production career was he wasn't working
with Tim at the time, but he was doing a
lot of odd projects, just still trying to make it
as a producer, right, just trying to you know, get
anything he could go and that he could. Well he
(23:03):
met Tim. Uh had all this success. Um, he got
so busy that he really couldn't, you know, do A
and R and produce at the same time. So he
asked me if I wanted to start A and R
and for Tim, will you Everyone want A and R
is who doesn't know? Okay, Well, A and R. It's
just it. It's basically what is it called artists in
(23:23):
repertoire um. And basically what I do A and R
is I find songs for artists. So I'm like the
the gatekeeper or the go between between the writers and
the publishers. They will pitch me their songs, and I
mostly work with publishers. I do. I have a lot
of relationship with writers too, but mostly with publishers. They'll
(23:44):
they'll pitch me the songs and then I'll sit here
and I'll listen to songs for Keith Urban and Tim
and I'll go, oh my god, that's a great song
for Keith. So I'm gonna let me just get this
to Keith. Let me play it for Keith. So I'm
kind of like the go between between the writer being
an A and R. That's like a that is such
a special job because it's all about your ears, like
(24:06):
listening and your gut instinct once again, gut instinct, yea
the song. And so when you are when you're hired
to do A and R, it's like you are the artists.
Like basically like you understand the artists, You understand what
they like, what songs they want, Jake towards because there
are so many writers in Nashville pitching songs, and artists
(24:30):
don't have time to listen to hundreds and thousands of
songs literally, And so you, as an A and R
person are listening. I mean you're listening to Are you
listening to thousands of songs? You under I listened to
a lot of songs like when when I get off here,
I've got a pitch meeting, so, um, you know, popping
off here and then you know, getting on a pitch
meeting to listen songs for Tim m Keith. But yeah,
(24:50):
you just have to go through a lot of songs.
And like for Tim, you look for in a song
like what makes you stop and your moves me? Anything
that just moves me, anything that's slightly different. I like
to listen to songs when I'm doing something else. That
way attention. It gets my attention. But I I'm just
(25:14):
looking for different melodies. I'm looking for a different twist
for lyrics. Um, okay, I mean also like classic country,
but good classic country. Um. And you just agree about radio.
Do you want do you listen for like radio success,
like do you worry, like do you make sure that
it would be played on the radio. I don't care.
I pitched. I don't. I go from yes, I will
(25:37):
go from pitching like very radio stuff to pitching very
outside the box stuff. I'm in theganut. I mean, it's
just like here and here, well, then you you go
for it. If I'm if it moves me, then it's
gonna move the artist hopefully. But it has to start
by tweaking me and you know, making me feel something emotionally.
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And you know, I feel like I'm the very few
left that is still like passionate about songs, you know
what I mean. There's just like I miss that I
miss you know, there's just no passion anymore. And I'm
still I still get so excited when and finding a
(26:21):
great song is really really I mean, a really really
good song is very very hard right now. I don't know,
it's just well, I guess because but one thing, artists
are writing their own stuff now, so everything is pretty much,
you know, tied up because the writers are writing with
artists now, which is fine. But there's some still some
(26:43):
great songs. There's still great outside songs out there that
you can find. You just got you's gotta dig and
you gotta find them. And the pluggers today are more
calendar keepers. Then, um, there's very few pluggers that I
deal with that are still real passionate about songs. And
(27:05):
a song parger works for a publisher, which is scrolling
this out with people listening. A publisher is like the
company that houses writers. So writers get to have a
job and they get paid to write songs to pitch
to artists. And then like Missy would be there as
a publisher also like a and our pitches an A
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and our person and and our person has like the
direct connection to the artists. And so pluggers work at
the publishing company and they pitched too managers, artists and
our people, anyone that they're ever Yeah, a song to
someone who can get his wife's artist's wife, they probably
pitch you a song if they could, if they could
(27:47):
get to you, they would totally and yeah exactly, And
so I feel, yeah, that's that's so. What how can
you noticed that the music industry has changed? How long
have you been in it? I've been in it for
a long time. I just feel like, you know, I
just feel like I just wish it's just it's just
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more business now. It's not about the music anymore. I
know it's called music business, you know, but it's more
business now than it is music. And I think that's
the biggest thing that I see. UM think that when
like you have a great artist and then it all
boils down to like a dollar bottom line and it's like, well,
we're gonna be done with you because financially working, and
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I get it, it's a music business. And then you know,
trying to change an artist to match another artist who's
out there that's successful, to morph this so then you
have this other artist, like let's morph this artist into
that one so they'll have success, and it's not all
about the soul of that artist, and like believing in
it now, that's why I mean so just so to
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start out for what I do, So I do A
and R, I do I have a publishing company, and
then I do manage. So that's the three things that
I kind of like I am dealing with right now.
So like put my A and R right now. I'm
looking for songs for Tim and Keith. So that's my
A and R job. Tim and Ron Keith Urban, I
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mean hello, hello, and then um, my publishing company. I
have a publishing company where I have, um, a couple
of writers signed, I have a couple of artists signed.
And then and then the management company I have which
I started probably three years two years ago, really started
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going on three years. Um, I have four X. Sam
Williams who I got to see him. I he's Hank
Williams junior son, and he is so cool and unique
and soulful and he has like a beautiful darkness to
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him in a way, just like that he puts out
through because like he has some sad parts of his
life that he expresses through his music so powerful, powerfully,
especially one about losing his sister. Is it called snow Angels.
That one is well he just put that one out
so yeah, that one was, Um, the World Alone was
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the one that uh yeah, the World Alone was not
supposed to be a song about his sister. That song
was written and recorded before his sister passed away, a
year before his sister passed away, and after his sister
passed away, we just he just felt that that took
on a whole another whole, another meaning. And then snow
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Angels snow Angels was an outside song that Yes, so
I've had snow Angels and and you know Andrew Dor.
You remember Andrew was a writer on it. So it's
Andrew Dor, Hillary Lindsay and Johnny Price and I have
tried to get every body to cut this song, snow
angel It just moves you. It just it moved me.
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And I just was like I never could understand why, what? What?
You know? And so I played it for Sam and
He's like, oh my god, I love this and I'm
gonna cut it. And Sam uh changed a few lines,
so he is a writer on the song, but he
changed he added, you know, some pretty important lines that
really really brought it around. And so that song could
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be about his sister, it could be about a relationship,
you know, it could be about anything. But yeah, that's
an out that was an outside song that I've had forever.
I love that about Sam because that kind of reflects
to me, like that you manage someone like him because
he's obviously comes from Royalty Hankling Junior, don't get any
bigger than that. But he is so unique, like he's
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not your typical Nashville artists. Like even with his style
he's like definitely fashion forward and like he uses a
lot of like he accentuates a lot with his style
and it's so awesome to see. And I love that
because I feel like sometimes people are scared and an
artist wh's outside of the box, like oh gosh, they're
not going to fit into this Nashville mole. But yeah,
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he I mean we were like with Sam, we were
like just doing our own thing a year ago, you know,
we were doing everything independently and doing really well. And
then you know, I had always said, you know, there's
one label you know that I feel like could really
get you, would be universal, and uh Cindy May heard
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his stuff, fell in love with it immediately was like
I have to I have to sign this kid. I
have to sign this kid. And everybody at his end
Sam's life even to like like his publicist Luke Berlin
out of l A. You know, she heard him and
was like call me. She's like, I don't care, I
don't have to be paid. I don't care. I just
want to work with him. He so good. But you know,
kind we were just like doing our thing independently, and
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there's something to be said about doing your own thing independently.
And you know, but there's also a double edged sword
there because you know, you can only get to a
certain spot independently. If you want to go to that
next level, you really have to have the support of
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a major backing and the muscle. And so a year
ago he we signed UM the Universal. But it's kind
of awesome because independently he could build the team around
him who got believed in him. He didn't just get
thrown into a system. People kind of got as signed
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to him. It's like he got pick and choose the
people that are really integral parts of the team and build.
And when he goes to the label, he's coming in strong,
like he's coming in his force. Yes, and and and
the thing is to any anyone out there, an artist
that is just starting out, build your team, build your tribe.
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You cannot do it alone. You have to have a
team of people around you. It doesn't have to be big,
but you know you, I mean, it takes a lot
and it's hard, and you know you have to have
you have to have your team. You gotta find you. You
You gotta find your team as an artist, what do
you think if you're a new artist starting out What
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are some of the key things to look for when
picking a team, Like what if you just if you're
if you're just starting to build it, what would you
look for? What, what kind of passion? What are you
What the skills that the people need to have that
you get on your team. Um, I think skills for
right now. You need to have a marketing person. You
need to have a social media person. It's very important.
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Everything is all about social media content. It's so important
to have. Um like the social media team. You can
you can do it with the label, Yes you can,
but the label has a ton of artists that they
work with, so they don't have a lot of time.
Um As, I can not even believe I'm saying this,
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but it's TikTok Learn TikTok. It's that it's awful, I know.
But some really good artists have come through TikTok. And
I can't believe Walker Hayes, who's been in music country
music forever, he just broke through TikTok and he's been
an amazing artist forever, but like finally he was able
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to be seen. Three. Yeah, you gotta get your marketing person,
you have to get your creative person. You have to
get your social media person, and then you have your manager,
who is the hub. Your manager is the hub of
the person that oversees all these people. And it's a
manager's job is to making sure that everybody is going
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in the same direction, you know, And so the manager
acts as the hub for all these people. Your publicist,
you're all of this. So you have enitor. What do
you feel like, Obviously you're just experience in your natural
like gut instinct towards songs and and all that. What
do you feel like really makes a great manager now
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that you are actually in this role, because you are
so incredible. I think it's I think there's a couple
of things. I think it's you gotta have passion. You
gotta have passion for the artist that you're working with.
You have to love. I mean, you've gotta You've just
you gotta have passion. That's the number one. Um blinders,
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just going for it on every every everything. You go
for it. You put yourself out there, you put your
artists out there, You go for it. You don't be afraid.
You um, you hustle, you hustle. And I'm a new manager,
you know, I'm not a Jason Owen of the world.
I'm not you know, Jason is a whole another spot,
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you know, I'm not that. But but hustle is that
just like not everyone needs that level. Sometimes you need
someone like you who's willing to get in get in
the weeds, yeah, get in the weeds. Yeah. And but
it's it's it's hustle, and it's it's it's believing in
your artists enough to go out there with blinder zone
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and making stuff happen and yeah, it will happen. And um,
that's that's it. Yeah, coominence as a manager and put
yourself out there. You do, you do. You cannot be afraid.
You cannot be afraid to put yourself out there. And
that just calmes that just comes with it comes with age.
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It just comes you know. You just you just get
to a point of our you know what, the worst
the worst you're gonna get is a no right now,
And don't be afraid to get a know. Just keep going, right,
there's so many knows, there's gonna be so many nose
before there's gonna be a yes. But you don't stop
and you don't give up. You just keep going. Have
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you enjoyed the wisdom that has come with age. Yes,
so much, so much confidence. Confidence. If I could just
tell my twenty two year old self, it's the confidence.
It's that I don't give a ship anymore. That's it.
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If I could just go back and tell myself that
at twenty two years old, and just the confidence is
that this is so important and you have to kind
of like live into the confident yet a bit of
it all. You gotta like actually live into it. There's
a saying. There's a saying that I look at every
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day that I have it on my phone and I'm
gonna pull it up right now, and it's what in
the saying is, um, don't be afraid to be a
bit Yeah, don't be scared to be a bit yeah.
And then seems like you have to be like rude
or just standing your ground, in your ground, standing your ground.
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What have you learned about celebrities? Because you have very
intimate relationships and like best friend relationships with some of
the top celebrities. And I feel like so many people
put celebrities on a pedestal, like we think that so
that the celebrities just have this life that I think
we're starting to see more because people are using social
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media to give us such real insights into their life.
Like we're realizing that celebrities are real too. But what
have you learned about celebrities and like how they navigate
their life and like what it's like in that world.
I don't, you know, I don't know. I mean, you know,
I'm just only know, you know, for like Tim and
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Faith because we're so you know, I'm very close with
them and very close to Faith and how they have
dealt with They're they're so celebrity. You know, I've watched
and they are the most humble people staying humble? Is
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it for celebrity staying humble? And I've seen it with them.
I've seen it firsthand. They are so humble and so
thankful and so appreciative of their fans. They they do
set their boundaries. You have to set there, you have
to set your boundaries. But they also know the importance
of that um And I've just seen nothing but great
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as far as them being celebrities, just just you know,
nothing but respect and classy. You know of how they
handle things and when they're just out eating dinner, you know,
when you're just out eating dinner and people come up
to them and how they handle themselves and they're not
rude to people. They know that they put themselves in
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this that they you know, they are a liberty and
people are going to come up to them and they
just handle it so so well. And I feel like
some people don't, you know, um. And they also have
done a good job of creating, like, like you said, boundaries,
like creating a very private world for themselves as well,
because like I feel like they have a very strong
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family unit that private, like they share some of it,
but like their family and their life feels like they
have created that safety they have. And their girls are
just if you they're girls are. It's just a test
amount of how they've raised their girls. Their girls are
just not pretentious. I mean nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. They
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are beautiful, beautiful girls. And they've done a faith has
done an amazing job as a mom. Well, a huge
moment where she like stepped away from the hype of
her career. Literally she was on fire and she stepped
away to raise her water. Is if that doesn't just
tell you where her priorities are and where as a family,
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that's huge. That girl loves her family loves her family,
and she's she's a god fearing woman. She's amazing. That's amazing,
it's so excited. It's so wonderful to hear stories like that.
You know of Slurberty couples that are strong and that
have great like and keeps the same way Kei. I
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don't know Keith as well as I do you know
Tim and Faith, but just the times that I've been
around Keith, I mean, it's just like he is so
willing to help everyone and and and and helping. And
what I'm seeing like with with like the Kinney chats
and heeds the keys and the Tim's is helping these
people that are behind them, helping them. That is so important,
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you know, to be that way, It's help that next
person on. It's so enlightened to be that way. When
you get to that point in your career year where
you are so successful and on top of your game
and you could totally be an asshole if you want,
but you view it more as like I mean, I
don't know if you like if this is the correct term,
but it feels like more of like a calling, more
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like a spiritual thing at this point where it's like
you've had all these blessings and you are so it's
like part of their job and duty is to help others.
Even Tim mcgrawl singing the song humble and kind, like,
once you get to the top, turn around and grab
the hand of the personally. Absolutely that song. I'll tell
you how I found that song. That is I'm gonna
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saying this right now. There are so many great songs,
but to me, that is the most perfect song about
life that you could ever have, Humble and kind. Laurie
McKenna wrote it, Tim singing it, It's just incredible. How
did you find it? That was? You know, I go
to publishing companies. This is back pre COVID and all that,
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but I would go to like the big publishing companies
like Universal Warner Bros. I'd go like every other week
to each one, and it was my data, you know,
hang out at Universal and Travis Gordon played He's like,
oh my god, you gotta hear this song. He said, Lorie,
it was basically just written as a poem and he
played me just the voice recording of LORI recording. Yeah,
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it was just literally a voice recording of the song,
and it just it just hit me I mean it
was just the I mean, there was you know, the
lyrics were just like I mean, it was literally written
as a poem to her kids, and um. I took
it to Tim and he loved it, and he um
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it sat it sat around for a little bit, you know,
Tim cut it and it set around, you know, for
a little bit. You know, I didn't know what's sure,
you know, quite sure what to do with it or whatever.
And then I can't remember. I think it was when
he was on Big Machine the first time, and I
think I don't remember how the song got to be
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the single or anything of what the conversation was, I
can't remember. But yeah, that song was just a voice
recording and yeah, it just hit me. How does that
feel to you? Because that has to feel I can't
even imagine what that feels like to bring life to
a song. Like, yes, there's all these great songs out
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there that deserve these huge lives, but they don't get
them necessarily. But for you to find a song on
a voice memo from Roy mckenne who's one of the
greatest writers ever. But this is a voice momo song.
It's not it's not ready to be pat or anything.
Like that, but you hear it and it hits you
when probably a lot of other people have heard the
song and they just sort of were like, really, yeah,
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I think but don't know that you heard it, you
took it, you got it to Tim, and then you
watched it because this moment and didn't win like Song
of the Year. Yeah, I think so. I think so.
And you know another thing is is that when you
go to the studio with a bachelor songs, you really
don't know like what song is gonna stick its head up.
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You don't know what song that the fairy dust is
gonna fall on. You know, the players, the music, the
way it comes together, the sound that's made, the vocal delivery,
like so much beyond you can't play it out. Yeah,
you're right, yeah you can't. It's just, you know the
same thing with Breathe when I was kind of like
when I brought Breathe in, I've preached that song to
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Tim Hill. Yeah. So anyway, I found that song and
I'm like, Tim, I really think you should record this song.
I'm let me play it for you. And Tim's like,
you know, I really don't think I can do that,
but you really need to play this song for faith.
I've played it for Faith and again it was a
song that going into the studio, nobody was like, oh
my god, this song is this song is a smash,
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this is this is you know, this is the song.
It was not like that. It would just when they
went into the studio and they cut it, there was
freaking magic around it for whatever reason, and they do
a lot of it has to do with the artists,
like where they are in their life, what who they
are in their life, like Tim, I mean they've being
in love with Tim and like and then the music vio,
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Oh my god, in the middle of like the wherever
they were, like the desert or whatever. That was the yeah,
we're like hearing your all of her hands like this Yeah,
I mean it was just you could you. I believed
every word of that song. Thing about her. I believed it,
you know, and it made you I did not believes
you are freaking amazing like that is You're so sweet.
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But how does that feel to you when you have
that happen, Because it's like it starts off so small
you hear this song, and then it becomes breathe that
it becomes humble and kind like proud. You's proud. You're
just like a little proud mama. It's like you know,
you know, and it's like you know, you know, and
it's like, well, people are like, well, why don't you
just get somebody to look, you know, listen to songs
for you? You're you're busy right now. Why don't you
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just get And I'm like, no, that that's just like
I can't like just I can't just like turn over,
not just anyone can do that. It's like it's yeah,
ye spiritual deep yeah, yeah, thing that you can't just
like train someone like you. It's it's a gift, really,
it's a I don't know if it's a gift. I
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have no idea, but I know I can't sing a lick,
you know, by the way, I can't hear I can
hear pitch a little bit, and I think I can
hear pitch now because I've listened to so many songs
that I can kind of sing on pitch now. But
I can't sing a lick, you know. But I don't know.
It's it's it's it's it's a proud it's a little
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proud moment. Yeah, I'll have to say it is saying
the artists who have the long careers, who are the
legacy artists who really impact in a big way, not
just to splash. What do they have that makes them
that way as opposed to someone else, Like what makes
an artist a legendary artist? What makes them? Yeah? Man,
that's a great question. I don't know. I feel like
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there's I feel like their work ethic, you know, and
how bad you really really want it, and then once
you get there, your work ethic and how you keep
it going, and how you surround yourself with your team
and how you treat your team members. Uh, no arrogance,
you know, just staying humble. Um. Also, the the wisdom,
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the smarts to know, like to cut an outside song. Yeah,
you don't have to write it. You don't have to
write everything. Be smart enough to know that if a
great outside song comes around, to go in and cut
the outside song. You know, so many artists are like, oh,
I'm not doing outside songs. I'm not gonna cut an
outside song. We look at timor Bode look like you're dying. Yeah,
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I mean all the artists that McKinney, heath, um, how
many cunning outside the house that Bill me that this
biggest song and that was an outside song. And it
doesn't mean you're not a great writer. Yeah, just ego
out of the way. Get your ego out of the way,
and never close yourself off to thinking you're you know,
too good to just not record outside songs. You think
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true great artists do it for the love of the music,
not for the love of the same. Yeah, yeah, I
really do. M Yeah, what has being a mother of
three girls during all that's taught you? How do you
balance that? What have you learned from motherhood and being
a working mom just through mother just learning how to
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multitask and doing it successfully. And you can't do it.
Guys can't multitask. I'm sorry, they just can't. You know,
women are born multitaskers, they really are. And raising three
girls at a time, you know, when I was really
really busy, but I always never missed a game, never
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missed any sporting event. Was always there for them. Um,
and just just being presents as busy as you are.
And and and you know with your children, like when
you're with them, being fully present, not be present, and
they know, they know, they know that you're present. Yeah,
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they know when you're present. When you're checked out, you know,
they know, so that's so important. What have I'm gonna
wrap up soon because I'm her. I know, You've got
other things to do, because it's interest. What have you
learned about being in a relationship with another power player
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in the music industry? And how have you walked that line?
You no doubt that has been you know, as a woman. Um,
it's a really good question. Um. I was never back
when he was like and like when he was producing
and really like you know, producing a lot of act
you know, I was always and I was in the background,
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you know, I never I never was you know, a
person a woman at that time. Oh look at me
right here. I'm the one that found this song and
this song and this song. I just always and I
was always in the background. I was always under the radar,
you know what I mean. And and sometimes I think
it's really cool to kind of like fly under the
(52:24):
radar a little bit, you know. And um, and then
you know it just got, you know, it just got
as I got older and you know, and Barron's you know,
producing career kind of you know, he's only like producing
like Tim right now, Um, I am more now, like bitch,
(52:47):
here I am, you know, like you time to kind
of step up. My mom always told me that she's like,
it's in a marriage, it's never equal at the same time.
Yeah yeah, so kind of like Eddie and owing like
maybe one at one season by kind of taking off
the career because it's like happening and then it flows
(53:08):
like your turn and it's like not eventful of that. Yeah, yeah,
very well. Dance, Yeah, yep, pretty much. So it's a
beautiful dance though. I'm loving it. I'm loving I'm loving
what I'm doing right now. I'm loving where I am
right now. It is very hard, um, but I'm having
(53:30):
a lot of fun. But see, you're amazing. You're such
an inspiration. You're gonna make me cry. Inspiration to young
women and women in general who hey like starting off
like your life started on a different trajectory. You're married
someone else out of high school. It's probably a whole
different set of dreams, and you have the intuition to
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change that based on your gut guiding you and the
way you've gotten into publishing, and trust your gut with
hearing songs and not being scared to be bold and
fearless and put yourself out there and push for what
you believed in and then like even with the coffee shop,
trusting your intuition on that management. I mean, you're being
a mother and a wife on top of it. Like
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the fact that you are doing all this and you're
such a grounded, amazing, gut driven, soulful person. It's so
inspiring for women to see a woman like you who
figured out how to do it and be fulfilled and
tors your soul and to trust your gifts and talents.
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And it's inspiring to see a woman who's led a
life like yours. That's really something to look up to. Oh,
you're so sweet. You're gonna make me cross. I was
so emotional over Thanksgiving. I don't know why. I was
just very in a good way, you know. But um,
but that's so sweet and that makes me feel just
(54:54):
just I can't tell you how how that makes me feel. Well.
You should be so proud and so important for women
to have role models like you to look up to
to say like, listen, you can do it. You can
do this, Like you can make your dreams happen, and
you can be a power player and you can figure
out how to make this happen, and you can be great.
Just figure out what you're great at and you can
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do it like you are that inspiration and that is
really awesome. And I am so grateful to know you, Missy.
I'm so glad you're in grant Wood. I want to
end with leave your Light, which is I always wrap
up with, like it's basically, what do you want people
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to know? Leave your life? What I all want people
to like to know about me? Like you about life?
Just open ended? What do you want people to know
about you? And what do you want people to know
about life? Life is fragile and it can be taken
(55:58):
from you at any second. So live your dreams and
dream big. You don't have to dream big. Some people's
dreams can be It doesn't have to be like this,
dream big all the time. You don't have to dream big.
Some people do dream big. You don't have to dream big.
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Just dream your dream And but life is fragile, and
and you just go for it, go for it and
and be humble and be um. Be humble, but also
be what's the word helped me? Be humble? But be
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consistent and um and true to yourself, you know, but
always stay humble with with things and be a nice person.
I love that. What are you gonna talk about you
about me? Uh gosh, I am um boy. I wear
my heart on my sleeve. I'm very, very very I'm
(57:05):
a very I'm a very passionate person. I'm a very
um in the moment person um. But I'm a very
passionate person and I fight, you know, I fight for
my people. So I love that. Miss. Thank you so
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much for coming on, and thank you for coming on
in such a I would have gone it last night, girl.
I was like tempted to do it last night, but
I was like so tired and I wanted to watch.
I was like when I said I could last night,
I was like, oh crap, I forgot. It's yellow Stone
(57:45):
spin off or something coming out. Oh Tim, And oh yeah,
it's called eight three. And they I think they I
think that the season comes out in like three weeks
and Tim both in it. Oh my god, they're huge,
huge characters, huge parts in this. And uh. Faith said
it's the hardest thing she has ever done physically. She
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says it is so hard. But she they're they're so
excited about it and they loved it. Where did they
shoot it all. They've been in Montana, they've been in Texas.
I think they were flying back out. They flew in
from Texas and then I think they flew back out
to Texas and are filming in Texas, but they're mostly
in Montana in Texas. Wow, And did they have to
just go be on set for months at a time
(58:30):
and shoot it? Yeah, they had to go to like
cowboy camp, you know, and complete like this Cowboy count,
which Faith said was the most intense thing she's ever done.
I cannot wait to see her in this. I've just
apparently she is just killing it. What's that one scene
where she's like throwing herself on the ground and like screaming,
And I'm like, gosh, like that is acting like crazy.
(58:53):
Imagine how roles like that change you as a human,
you know, right, I know, I know, I cannot wait
to see you. I'm so proud of her, really proud
of her. Tim's just up there, He's just I'm like
that big old beard. I'm like, oh my god, I'm like,
does he does he when does he get to shave
that all? Need it fully? Beard? He has? Oh god,
(59:20):
he's a good looking, like a world man. You know
oh man, that's not that beer is thick, and like,
oh no, it's too much. Just look at man is
I'm telling you, what do I get stuck? All of it? Well,
all right, so much for joining me. You are truly amazing,
and you're such a bright light in the music industry
(59:41):
and what you have done and accomplished in every aspect
of your life. I hope you firing, so I had
to like pop bounce all four minutes, so so sorry,
but thank you for coming on and with the second's notice,
you're the best. All right, maybe all right, I'll see you,
Bi Bi
Host
Caroline Hobby
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