MORGAN HUELSMAN: Getting Real about Dating, Friendship, Mental Health & More

Morgan Huelsman aka Morgan #2 joins Caroline on this episode of Get Real. Morgan is no stranger to sharing her personal life. She has been on air with the Bobby Bones Show for years now. She has shared her celebrity crushes, mental health journey, dating life and so much more over the years live on the radio. She finally decided it was time to put all that she has learned and all the access she has to experts in one place: her very own podcast called TAKE THIS PERSONALLY...where she covers it all. In this episode of Get Real, Morgan and Caroline relive terrible dating experiences, talk about her boyfriend aka “man in uniform,” and why it is so important to focus and work on mental health. Morgan is the friend everyone needs in their life.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
At Calne. She's a queen and talking, so.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
She's getting really not afraid to fas so so just
let it flow.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
No one can do we quid car Lyne. He's sound
for Caroline.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
I'm so excited. I'm so energized and amped up. I
feel like I've had like thirteen caffeine shots being here
with Morgan Heelsman, otherwise known as web girl Morgan that
is true, or Morgan number two, you know, or take
your pick. I know web girl Morgan. Though that's like
you're like, it's kind of like, uh, you're famous, you're
famous for that?

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Well, my handle, yeah, that's my my social media handles,
and I do like to identify people sometimes as their
social media handles. Like there's times where I'm like, you
don't have a last name, you are known as Julie
and that is all because that's your Instagram handle.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
If you'll come up to you and be like, hey,
web girl Morgan, yeah, some do.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
They still say Morgan number two. Some have gotten Morgan.
So we're across all the board.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Okay, So you have very exciting life. I don't know
if it's that exciting. It is very exciting. I was
on I think my energy level was so high because
I was watching all of your Instagram reels, and You're like,
you got the dance moves, you got the fashion, you
like know how to go out on the town and
do all the things. You're like an acrobat in the sky.

(01:30):
I mean, you're an adventure girl, you know I am.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
I've always kind of been that person who dives in
and goes after things. I like to try stuff, and
I've always said I will try anything once that you know.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Would you eat rattlesnake? No, see, don't like put like
a weird thing on there? Would you shake your head?

Speaker 3 (01:49):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Hey again, okay, totally true.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
No, I would try like activities and I'll try would
you water skin naked?

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yeah? I try it once. I went too right, be liberating.
I feel like it could be a great experience.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Now I don't know the logistics of that scenario, but
I would try it in the safe environment.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, if it's safe. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
I will always try something when it comes to activities
or like even going out and trying new restaurants. I
just like to make sure that I'm always experiencing live
to the fullest extent that I could possibly live it.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Okay, where did that mentality come from? Because you just
turned thirty? Right, are you thirty one or thirty?

Speaker 3 (02:28):
No? I just turned thirty thirty Sectober the thirties. Well
I shouldn't say just I'm turning. I'm about to hit
thirty one. Here, sure's thirty fun. I just turned forty
fun yesterday. Yeah, forty one, forty fun, forty fun. So
you're about to be thirty fun. It's forty's fun?

Speaker 2 (02:41):
I mean, okay, I had to prep for forty for
three years. I started prepping for forty when I was
like thirty seven because I was like, I tend to
have mental breakdowns like often, and like decades spur a
lot of feelings. So I started prepping for my forties
when I was thirty seven. I cut my hair, I
dyed it dark, I stopped doing botok, I took off lashes.
I like got connected with my Earth's side, and I

(03:03):
was like, who am I actually? And I went under
view like an awakening. I always have awakenings. When I
went on a hard awakening, and then I realized, Okay,
I like my hair blonde, I like lashes, give me
some botox, and like I'm cool. I'm cool with like
all these things I've added to myself because I actually
know who I am and I like having fun with
like hair and makeup and stuff. But I like, yeah,

(03:25):
I had a whole like who am I? Moment before
I hit forty. I was like, I've got to figure
this out before I go into a new decade.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah, you know, I don't know that I can pinpoint
one specifically of where that personality came from, but I
do think after I had a really really bad relationship,
and after that relationship, I had like an identity crisis.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Almost when was that relationship? Who?

Speaker 3 (03:46):
I just moved to Nashville. So we dated for a
few years.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
A little early twenties. When we moved to Michelle. Early twenties.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
I had moved to Nashville, like pretty much right out
of college. It was like ten months after my first job,
i'd got the up in Nashville.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Did you start working at the Bobby Bone Show? No,
I was working for iHeartRadio. Oh okay, just says the
digital side of me has working for iHeart Radio.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
And Yeah, that relationship was so tough on me that
after I got out of it, I was like, what
am I doing? How did I end up in this place?
What's happening in my life that that could have grown
and that could have possibly happened. And it was like
this really rude, like you're saying, awakening For three years
where I hardly dated, I went out and was doing

(04:32):
stuff and learning things by myself, just trying to figure
out what is happening, what is important to me, what matters,
and where do I go from here? And that I
feel like was the biggest turning point for me to
be like, Okay, well it's important for me to live
every day and to make sure that I'm not wasting
any of the time that I have, whatever that looks like.
And that was a lesson that I learned kind of

(04:53):
in that rude awakening moment.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
And also to realize, and this is a hard lesson
to learn. I'm still learning it not to be influenced
by someone else's perception of you or them making you
into something, which is so hard, especially when you're young
and you have a relationship that you think you love,
but really they're completely changing you and morphing you in
to someone else, in tearing you down. I'm not saying

(05:19):
that's exactly what happened, but like, it's so easy to
get into a relationship where you're like, I don't even
know who I am or what I'm doing or why
I'm doing it, and I'm not happy and I'm not
happy with myself and I don't know how I got here.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
You lose yourself in another person when it's an unhealthy relationship.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
How does it get unhealthy because it doesn't start unhealthy, right.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Well, I think you have two people that have a
lot of life to learn and a lot of life
that they haven't experienced yet. And people are always growing,
and you stick two people together, especially in their early twenties,
and you're like, hey, figure this out. You're like, what, Well,
I don't even know what I'm doing.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
How am I supposed to.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
Figure this out with another person? And you know, profits
all the people who got married super early.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Couldn't be me.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
It did happen, but there was a reason for that,
and it was because I had a lot of lessons
to learn and a lot of things to understand. And
I think it's funny for me what had happened was
like I was raised by really awesome parents in a
really loving home, and.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
I guess afford sisters. Right, I am the youngest, and
I went like polar opposite. I was like, can I
find the worst person for me? To date? My life
has been so good? Yeah, I have such great so
let me just see what it's like to mess it up.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
To get crazy is what it felt like to me. Right,
I was like, what am I doing? Nobody inspired this?
There wasn't this, Like I mean, I had went through
stuff in high school, but it was just different. I
don't know, and I look back on that often, and
so that was also what spun a lot of the
identity crisis. I was like, what happened to me? What
did I do to end up here? And that was

(06:47):
just part of that whole morphine and rude awakening for
myself unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
But you know what, though, honestly, good job for you
for diving into it and like leaning into finding yourself.
And I'm so excited about your podcast that you just launched,
Take That Personally, which is so awesome because you cover
so many things from mental health, career changing, friendships, dating,
all of it as a thirty year old woman who
has been in the middle of all these things, which
I feel like so many people need this voice to

(07:13):
relate to and have friends and like you have experts
come on, and I think that this is like you
have to lean into these painful moments. Everything's hard, you know.
Having a healthy relationship is hard because you have to
maintain that and work on it and like do the
hard work together. Having an unhealthy relationship is hard. So
it's like it's all hard, But like what kind of
hard do you want to do? You know? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (07:33):
And I think talking about things just brings it to
a different perspective.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
You know.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
I I was the person who things would happen and
I would run away. I would literally as a child,
I would pack up my suitcase when I got bad
at my parents and walk like I was running.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Away from home in the could sac even though I
had nowhere to go.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
You would not, Yes, I would.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
It was horrible. Did your parents freak out or are
they like, just go girl?

Speaker 3 (07:58):
They were so used to it that they're like, she
he's only going.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
To get to the end of the block. Just wait
till she goes back. And I would. I'd walked it in.
I'm like, well what am I doing? Okay, I gotta
go back now. You're just letting them know nobody's controlling me. Yeah,
I'm running away from this situation, taking this.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
It was so bad that, like I was that person
to run away for a really long time. And then
when I got into my early twenties, I was like,
I can't keep running. I have to face this, and
if I don't, then this is gonna be really bad
for me in my life. And I could just keep
running and I'll be running forever and I'm never going
to figure this out, but I don't know.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Life kind of smacked me in the face and said
it's time. It's time. The time is now. Don't you
love it when you get those hits? I'm like, freaking, hey, God, Universe,
I have been doing all this hard work. I thought
I had reached this level of just peace and happiness
and joy, and no, here comes the next one. Just
a freaking wave knocking me out. Oh. They're the worst
race for impact. It so is.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
But you know, those brace for impacts, they're like the
I like to think of them as a mountain, and
the mountain always sucks to climb, but when you're at
the top, it's so cool.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
So you know, the mountain always sucks. Yeah, the end
is the best part. I know, but I guess we
have to learn how to like the climb, right, as
Miley says, Yeah, she was right.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
She was so young, and she was so right.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
I mean, she lived a lot of life early, she did.
She wasn't these hard lessons young. You know, when you
live a lot of life.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
And you experienced a lot of things, as much as
it sucks to go through them, you learn a lot
of lessons.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
And that's what happens, you do. Okay, So, so you
broke up with boyfriend, toxic boyfriend. Yeah, and then all
of a sudden you are just in the dating scene. Yeah,
what on earth is that like? Because now you have
a sexy man in uniform. We don't call him by name.
What's his name? Man in uniform? Yeah, man in uniform?
I mean love it. We only see his hands in
your Instagram twirling you in things and like bringing you

(09:41):
flowers and like just being so sexy. Yes, I mean
he looks sexy from that hand. Oh then is the
hot hand. It looks like a strong hand. It is, yeah, yeah, strong,
and she's like notebook kiss you'll throw up against the wall. Yeah,
do you in that phase? Are y'all having that kind
of hot romance.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Oh, I mean we are absolutely in honeymoon face. But
what's crazy about with hers?

Speaker 2 (09:59):
For you get after?

Speaker 3 (10:00):
I don't feel like it's like gonna be a honeymoon thing.
I think this is just what it is.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
You're gonna have hot, sexy romance for the rest of
your days with him. That's what I'm hoping for, because
that's what it feels like. Like when you see him,
are you just like running into his arms?

Speaker 3 (10:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Wait to mon I'm so excited.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
Sometimes he's like, Morgan, I saw you this morning and
I was.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Like, yeah, but it was so long ago. Are you
all like kissing for hours? I mean no, we're not
like sitting all the time making out Like I just
never remember these beginning phases because I've been married now
ten years. Love my husband, Michael. You're great, You're so sexy.
I mean, I want you, baby, But it is not
like this. So you know, when you first meet that
person in the beginning, you're like, tell me what that's like, Like,
how is how are these vibes?

Speaker 3 (10:36):
You know it was it was different with him because
it you are taught like, well, I don't know if
you watched a lot of Disney princess stuff.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, all of it really ruined all my perception of life.
And we got screwed.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
I saw really mean the other day that was like
the kids ea.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Days get Inside and Out too.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
And here we are dealing with Cinderella having an ugly
stepmom and all the I'm.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Like, hey, they did get screwed, and now they have
Mawana and they have in Conto with the strong women.
Who was not about finding a man to save you.
I was always looking for a man to save me.
I'm pretty sure all of us were.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
If you were a millennial, you were always looking for
a man to save you always.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
But we're learning and now.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
And they said it was millennials who did Inside and
Out too, because we had to help people go through.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Things that we didn't go get to go through. Those
movies are phenomenal. I saw Inside Out too, and I'm like,
this is absolutely phenomenal. I haven't seen it yet. It's phenomenal,
but I do know.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
It's like all about emotions, yes, and I love that.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
It's incredible. So I forgot what you asked. Okay, so
weird that one on a tangent about your insights panning form.
Oh do y'all mug down all the time? Are you
constantly making out? Do you have time to talk because
you're kissing something? So does?

Speaker 3 (11:37):
He taught me to think that, you know, these really
intense butterflies and all these feelings were what you should
have and he was just safe from the beginning. He
was like this place of comfort, and I wanted to
see him more because he was so cool and calm
and just nothing phased him. And he's hate that way.

(12:00):
That wasn't just an act. It wasn't just like this
is who I am to make you like me. It's
like that's who he is all the time, and he's
like become this very safe place for me because I
am chaos. My life is chaos, and I am chaos.
But he is like steasty and steady and consistent, and
so I think that's why.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Like so when it's like the steamy romance stuff, it's
more like, gosh, like you just want to squeezy you.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
You're so great, and not as much like the oh
my gosh, I have butterflies the night, like what's gonna
happen next? Just you know, Yeah, it does feel that way,
So I hope it continues to stay that way, and
it feels like it's progressing to that.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
So okay, So does he know that you talk about
him on air and stuff? Oh yeah, And how does
he feel about that?

Speaker 3 (12:46):
He thinks it's hilarious, Like he is not impacted in
the slightest.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Do you think it's just because he's cool, calm, collected
man in uniform that he can handle pressure?

Speaker 3 (12:53):
Yeah, for sure. I mean it's definitely his personality and how.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
He was raised.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
He just is really like, there are not a lot
of things that bother him.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
What would that be like? I don't know, I mean,
what would that be like? It could it be? Me? Gosh?
I wish I could know what that was like?

Speaker 3 (13:10):
Yeah, Like he you know, he has his moments and
he's still great about talking about his feelings and he's
great at listening and communicating.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
But he's just not he doesn't just have this chaos
following him.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
And so we're like, what is it when you put like, uh,
you know, wind and fire, ice and fire or whatever together,
it's kind of like us. We're very polar opposite, but
somehow we blend very seamlessly together.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
I was loving some of your pre manning uniform reels
because you were talking about dating and one of them
you were sitting down there saying like I am a
great first date. Like am I the reason I have
great first dates because I'm a great listener. I'm super fun.
I bring the energy you can like carry the conversation.
But then you said this thing like quick to something roast,

(13:54):
like chat to roast or something quick to No, it's
called I wrote it down because I was like, what
is this. This is called.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Flirt to roast. Oh, flirt to roast ratio. Yeah, you
don't know the flirt to roast ratio so old and
out of the loop.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
I didn't even have a dating app when I was
out there. They weren't even existing and y'all met on
hinge right, Oh yeah he did. I mean that's amazing,
even on an app. Yeah, I mean that's just the
day and age. You have to do it right. If
you're meeting any other way, you're a unicorn and cool
love that. I I love for that.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Yeah, everybody's on the data, you get a bigger pool.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
I mean it makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Actually, I would have you know, we talk about that, Like,
I don't know that him and I would have ever
met if it wasn't for those dating.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
App right, how woul was your past have crossed? And
I just don't know that it would have happened.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
Yeah, So flirt to roast ratio Caroline is where like,
you know, you're on a date and you're you're flirty
and you're you're making them like you, but then he
also like roast them.

Speaker 4 (14:47):
A little bit at the same time, because no guy
really needs his ego aflated so much that you're like
he's on like a hundred.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
You need him to be like knocked out a little bit,
but then pushed back up. You push him up and
down a lot. I think if you asked anyone that
I dated, they would say I just roasted. I didn't
know how to flirt. I was like so awkward, and
like I thought my flirting technique was, let me just
be mean to you and awkward, and then if you
can fight through those walls, then then I can show
you my sweet set and I can love you. But
first time, I'm just going to give you all my heat.

(15:17):
See I like it, though that's you. I think I'm crazy.
I have a stream of people who think I'm crazy
for sure.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
Yeah, like somebody else is crazy is real?

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Is what is Michael's wife and mother insane because he's like,
oh give me more, Like I can't get enough this,
so you're he for you.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
It might be your crazy to hot ratio versus the
flirt to roast ratio. I don't know if you've heard
of that one. No, crazy too hot is like how crazy?
How hot does a girl have to be to put
up with?

Speaker 2 (15:45):
How much crazy? Okay, well then I thought I was hot,
and I thought I could do all the ratio of
the crazy to hot. I mean not sure. You were
just ten ten ten, that's what I thought. But I
mean everyone who was on the other side of that
date would totally disagree.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
You know, I believe in you, and I was gonna
we're just gonna say that you were ten ten all
the time we made it through, made it through the
jungle and got to the other side.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
There was a lot of weeds and vines to like
plow through. But you know, you know, keep going. What's
funny too with man in uniform is like he's man
in uniform. This is like big on the sex in
the city. You know, It's like, even when you can
reveal him, he should always just be a man in uniform.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
He's always going to be a man in uniform to me,
for sure. So hot, but that it was funny because
I did have like a strong flirt to roast ratio.
But he's funny, and he has a pretty stoic sense
of humor that like he can't quite pick up on
all the time when I'm making a joke, so like
I just know and that I need to recall it
with him. But our first day, he was just sitting
like I can't tell if she's being serious or.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
A thousans a joke, And so many of them were jokes.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Because that's just my personality, your jokes. It's not like
I'm not like a comedian.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
I'm not funny. I'm not funny either. I always say
that I am not funny. Yeah, no, I don't. I
don't have that. We both have to hack, hack break. Okay,
great that I have a hacking problem. I'm glad we
could do that together. Yeah, thank you for letting me
be really vulnerable. Yeah, yeah, you know anytime.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
I I Yeah, I'm not a comedian, but I do
have like zingers and I'm I'm good at roasting or
picking up on things.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
But I'm not going to stand up on a stage
and make a lot of people laugh.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
I'm gonna make my friends laughed and my family and
like people who know me. But besides that, you're really
what she been talking about. So that's my that's my
sense of humor style.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
So what was it like being the youngest of four sisters?
Did that impact your personality? Oh? Gosh, yeah, and like
because older sisters were they all like strong personalities. Because
one of your sisters just got married, Yeah, and you
gave a really sweet speech to her, and it seems
like you are like super closest. She's your closest to age,
closest to age, yes, okay, so what is the age difference?

Speaker 3 (17:51):
So my two older sisters are like ten and twelve
years older than me.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Okay, so they were kind of like in another It
was like two families, not two families. Yeah, so they're
my half sisters. Okay, so it was like two family.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
But they've been in my life ever since I was born,
so I didn't know any different.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
We all lived under the same roof.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
So to me, I just had three older sisters and
I I here's the thing. Until I was two years old,
I didn't talk because I had three older sisters who
always talked for me.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
They got it covered. You didn't need to say a word.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
My parents took me to the doctor and were like, hey,
she's not talking. She's two years old, Like what's going on.
They're like, what have you let her?

Speaker 2 (18:28):
And they're like, no, she had it too, she's taking
it on. And then you said you just decided to
make up for it in your life, and you're like,
I'm gonna go get a job where I just talk
radiate like the weird full circle moment, and that was wild.
And yeah, I got away with everything because they had
away with everything. Well, you know, by the time it.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Was me, my parents were like, shiver, you're fine, You're
gonna survive and it'll be all right.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
And if not, she's gonna pack her bags and moved
it into the pull sack and she's gonna live a
nice family down there and it'll be fine.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
I sure was, And uh yeah, So I really got
away with a lot as a kid, and I was
pretty rebellious and just I learned a lot of lessons
really early thanks to them. Okay, like such as well,
I just thought I was twenty when I was five
years old.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
Oh, obviously, you got two teenage sisters driving being cool
old and.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
I'm pretty sure I was putting on makeup when I
was like three years old, definitely, and we're in all
their high heels and they were taking me to school.
So I always felt like cool kid because my sisters
were taking me to school and I was listening to music.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
I probably wasn't must be listening to by saying like
shit and damn and stuff.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Oh yeah, like I maybe drunk the F bomb. I
got my period in fourth grade. Like that's how grown up.
I was very early on the oldest first fourth grade.
Fourth gosh, I.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Don't know, but I remember like young. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
No, most of the people I knew weren't getting until middle school,
like seventh and eighth grade.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
So fourth grade, are you, like? I don't know now,
and our bodies could change so much. I feel like
twelve is like when it happens a lot.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
I don't know how old I was in fourth grade. Listen.
My mom had taught me how to use a tampon,
and my best friend got in seventh grade and she
was freaking out, so I said, here, let me just
show you and I just shoved it right up in there.
I said, this is how you do it. That is
what you call it. Best friend, I said, I'm gonna
take this into my own hands. It's nothing to be
afraid of. You're not dying. It's just a period.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
If you've never been in a bathroom with your best
friend experiencing something, you're not best friends yet.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Exactly. Yes, I feel totally. I mean, yeah, okay, so
you got your peer in fourth grade, like your body
was just ready for it. You're around all these forums,
you just already sync up with that.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
I just grew up very quickly, just naturally.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Around you learned some things that maybe you shouldn't have
learned too soon.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
Oh yeah, I'm one hundred percent about sex when you're
real young. Yeah, there was a lot of lessons where
I'm like, I probably shouldn't have known that quite yet.
But it was just like the course of hanging out
with older sisters, and I wanted to be friends with
my older sisters so bad, Like I wanted to do
everything she did. And here I am, like becoming a
freshman and she's a junior, and like I don't want

(20:51):
to go to school with you, Like are you here now,
of course we're best friends. But I look back on
that it was really funny. I was always known as
Taylor's little sister, and Taylor never wanted me to hang
out with like her friends in high school.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
And now we like are like, hey, what are you
doing today? You want to come hang out with me?
She live in Nashville.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
No, but like when we were all, when we were
always together, it was like, hey, let's hang out today
or when I go back home. We're together every day,
Like we're like every day not separated.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
So like when she got married, did you have to
vet the husband?

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Oh? Yeah, but I found out also like super early,
and why do we do that?

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Sorry? I hacked again. I mean sometimes I leave the hacking.
I'm sorry. Sometimes I have comments from people on who
listen to my podcast and are like, if she would
just stop hacking, that would be so great. Oh, you're
also a human. I've gotten better at it. It's a
nervous reflex. It just kind of happens.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
I have it too, because if I eat too much
gluten then I have a problem.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
So I get it.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
I yeah, I totally vetted him. I got text when
she first met him and was like I think this
is the guy, and I'm okay, well let me FaceTime.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Guy.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
And it's so funny.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
It's now like he's like one of my brothers. We
mess around with each other all the time, just like
he was part of the family from the beginning.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
So that's been really cool. Okay, so you're twenty. You
moved to Nashville because you get a job at iHeart.
What is that job?

Speaker 3 (22:18):
So as a digital director overseeing six radio stations and
all of their social media.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Well, I was.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
I graduated college after my third year. I did college
in three years, so think I was twenty one twenty two.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
How did you land like such a professional, big girl job.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Well, so I got a job at iHeart in Wichita
out of an internship that I did when I was
in college.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Internships really go a long way.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Connections are anything that matters in the entertainment world.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
So my degree nobody could give two craps about. But
those internships are.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
What got me the job. They got me here.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
So that's what landed me from Wichita to Nashville.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Okay, so you are at iHeart in Nashville now doing
what I went before. Yeahline backwards gotcha when you get here,
I was, So that's when.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
So when I was in Wichita, I was a digital
director for four radio stations for ten months, and then
I moved to Nashville became the digital director for six
stations for ten months.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Does that mean like social media? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (23:14):
So I was overseeing all of our websites, all of
our social media platforms for all of those stations, Like.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Would you make social pre I had a lot content
content I was going to.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
I did not have a night to myself when I
was doing that. I was going to concerts and events
every night, and.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Where it was Instagram happening. M oh yeah. I was
like Instagram really took off.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
I would say that first year that I started with
my Heart in Wichita, it had already been there, but
really people were using it as like you were posting
funny pictures of you and like these random filters.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Oh my gosh, like the Sefia filter yeah, uh.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
Huh, the ones that were on Instagram. Yeah, and everything
was like super brown.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
And you weren't posting like things that really mattered. It
was really just for your friends or whatever. It wasn't
until like that first year of I Heart where people
started utilizing in Instagram for ads and marketing and changing
all these things. So and then yeah, ten months at
the job in Nashville, and after ten months I got
hired for the Bobby Bone Show for the digital director there.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
How did that happen? I was in the middle so good.
They're like, this girl is making the truly the best
content I did have.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
So I had like two of our big bosses who
stopped by the office were like, what do you like.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
See yourself doing.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
I was like, I really want to do this and
I'm open to move and like send me wherever. I
was literally like I was ready. I was ready to eat,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Like I was at the hung guy.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
Like as they say, she was cooking, she took it.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
She's ready to go. And I I just told him.
I was like, you know, I hope to do X,
Y and Z.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
And they're like, well, we have this potential job opening,
you know, but we'll see, we'll see what pans out.
And CMA Fest that year rolled around and I was
out every day doing content, getting getting everything with the artists,
and I get a call from Bobby and I'm like
the Bob Bobby, I mean straight from it. I'm down
to how national is allowed. Thankfully, I was sober downtown Nashville.

(25:03):
I was working, and he's like, hey, I, you know
I had heard from Rod, who's one of our big bosses,
like do you want to come in and kind of
audition sit in in the studio and see how it
feels and whatever?

Speaker 2 (25:17):
And I was like, well, yeah, obviously of course I do.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
I still is even I got off the phone, and
I was still shocked when I was like, I don't
think that col just happened.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
I don't feel like that was actually him.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
And then sure enough, like the next day, I was
doing my job and auditioning for the Bobby Bone Show
for two weeks.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
So was that nerve wrecking? It wasn't nerve wracking as
much as I was so tired. I would get up at.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
Three thirty in the morning because the show starts at
like four five, fine, oh, three thirty in the morning,
and then I would be working until ten eleven o'clock
at night on my other job. There wasn't even a
chance to think about anything that was happening. I was like,
I just I got a float here for a while,
and I did so two weeks into that and he
offered me the job.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
I was like, yeah, yeah, so were you making like
social media content for the show, but you're on the
show now, Yeah, So were you on the show originally
or before? Were you just like behind the scene.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
Never plans to be on air? That was never part
of my job.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
It was.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
It was always the digital director role, and just over
the course of time and just me being younger, I
just had a different perspective and they would call on
me sometimes, you know, it was every once in a
while to every month and then every week and then
now I'm you know.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
It's just evolved so much past that.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
But still like when I look at the show, my
job is the digital director.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
The on air stuff is just the bonus fun side
of it. So what are you doing as digital director
now in this landscape?

Speaker 3 (26:44):
Oh man, that we're in so much We would be
here all day if I told you. But it's really
it's a lot of posting on social media. It's keeping
up with trends and understanding content, what's working, how the
algorithms work.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
And study all that. You know that it's a lot.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
To Yeah, it's watching a lot of things that people
are doing and trying to be like that's good, this
doesn't work, this can work. Why don't we try this?

Speaker 2 (27:05):
It's a lot of I think content creation also helped
me so much, and also learning a lot about myself
because you fail a lot.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
You fail so many times and you just have to
pick up be like, Okay, let's try something else.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
So I've learned a lot in that.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
But I've done a lot just a costs the course
of doing content creation, posting on social media platforms, understanding
how the podcasts are on streaming and how do they work,
how do we promote them, what does that look like?

Speaker 2 (27:33):
For advertising?

Speaker 3 (27:34):
Digital advertising, It's just there's so many different branches off
of that.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
But that's kind of it. In a nutshell, you are
a wealth of knowledge, though no, it sits in there.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
I don't know if a wealth of knowledge is there,
but it's somewhere tough in there of knowledge.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
I mean, that is some good stuff to know. This
in this day and age, with the world being so digital,
to know how to like move around digitally is huge.
Oh yeah, it's but it's tough, you know.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
I applaud anybody who does it and who can make
a living out of doing it, because it isn't for
the week to create and have ideas every single day
to share with the world and be like, I hope.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
You like it. You know that's tough. So well, I
was going through your content and I'm like, man, we're
going to really she really invites us in. I was
like feeling like she really invites us into her life,
Like I love your fashion try ons, and you're so
real with how things fit you and like your body
and like and then you're like so real with like
traveling and like you went through like you'll and you'll
show us what you like to do, like how you're

(28:33):
like getting out and like seeing the city and why
girlfriends mattered you, and how it's hard to be a
female and like things that you're living. And I'm like, man,
you're really like taking the time to like let us
into your life. That's a lot, well a lot. Do
you like people in your life?

Speaker 3 (28:45):
You know? I enjoy it because I like The thing
that I love the most about getting to do what
I do every day is I like connecting with people.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
I always have. I've always been a people person.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
My minor in college was leadership studies. I wanted to
be a leader. I wanted to help people, and I
wanted to connect people.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
And I think.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
Social media, with all of its downfalls and hard things,
is also a beautiful place to meet a lot of
people that are like you and not like you and
just cross so many boundaries that you never get to.
And I think the best way to be on social
media is to be all in.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
If you're not, then I've been Hasy's. I've been like
a Hasis girl, and I have a hard I don't
even know how to go all in because it's like,
I feel it's hard to go all in? How do
you go all in? Okay, so you're talking to someone, yeah,
someone like me who wants to go all in, but
I'm about like, I'm half ass in it. I need
to put the full asc in. Well, and what do
you do?

Speaker 3 (29:41):
I'm going to tell you this from somebody who's really
bad at taking her own advice. Sometimes you have to
stop caring what people think you have to.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
But like, what if I just don't want everyone to
know about me? Here's the thing. What if I just
don't want to share everything? Because then you see people
are like, oh, how are you doing? I love this,
this and that, and I'm like see I've gone to
the point now where'm becoming reclusive and I'm like, I
don't want to talk to people, but if you, I mean,
I love people, but it's like I hear it. I'm
just like, oh my god, everyone knows me and I
don't know you, but I love you. But it's like,

(30:11):
I don't want you to know everything about my life
because I'm actually actually way more private than I thought
it was.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
Well, I think here there's kind of twofold to this.
I think you can still do both. Like there's still
things that I don't necessarily share.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
I don't share things until I'm ready to share them.
I'll probably always.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
Share them in some former capacity, but there's things that'll
be stuck to the vault for my life. But that's
just very few and far between, because I think it's
really hard to be authentic and genuine if you're not
sharing everything. If I was holding things back, then I'm
not telling my full story. I'm only telling you half

(30:48):
of it, and half of it isn't going to do
it justice. So I got to tell you everything, and
it's gonna suck for me because there is this huge
I mean, it's funny, I'll be on Instagram every night
and man in uniform is like, who is that.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
I'm like, oh, it's just a listener.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
He's like, you guys are having a full blown conversation
and I was like, well, yeah, I mean because they're
struggling and they need somebody and I'm that person right now,
or yeah, they want to talk about this, and I
think it's really cool, and I like, I just I
think what is lacking in a lot of social media
is authenticity. I think you see a lot of things

(31:23):
on there and it's like, oh, I want to be
this person or I wish I could have that.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
I don't want to be that.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
I don't want to be that person that you come
to and it's like I want to be here. I
want you to come and be like I want to
be friends with her. And the only way to do
that is for me to let you on a persent
in because that's how all of my friendships are.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Is that how this podcast is born? Yeah, talk to
me about the birth of this podcast. Well, you do
a great job of letting people in, by the way,
thank you, And I think you can do it.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
I think you can do it while still finding your privacy.
I still do it as man in uniform and nobody
knows what he looks like. I know, you know, there's
ways to do it and let people in without holding
things back.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
I've had like such a rollercoaster social media because in
the beginning, I was like in bands and I was
loving documenting everything. I wasn't married with a kid or anything,
and I was like everything I did I was posting,
loved it, like happy to share, wanted to share, found
it fun. Then kind of covid hit, I had a baby,
and I was just kind of like I got a

(32:22):
little freaked out by just the world and just people.
I got a lot of fear creeped in and I
was like, oh my god, I don't want to share anything.
I don't want to be exposed. I just want to
be like quiet and private, and like I just don't
have the energy to give myself to people, and so
I kind of like shut it. Besides like podcasting where
I feel like I will be completely open and honest

(32:43):
and vulnerable about whatever. But I was just like I
just don't have the energy or the bandwidth or the
I don't feel I just don't it's not authentic to
me to share, like I don't feel like if I
was going to share, it would be not like from love,
you know, it would be from feeling like I had
to do something. So I kind of stopped and now

(33:04):
I'm just having a very hard time getting back into it.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
Well, maybe your only way of doing it is podcasting.
Maybe that is your way to share, and ple it
might be, and.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Maybe it's not social media.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
I don't think there's a That's also the thing. There's
no one size fits all for.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Any type of digital medium, right.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
You are gonna have multiple ways that this can be
explored and people can do things. And maybe it's just
podcasting for you, and that's it.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Because like you enjoy all of it, Like I can
see the joy that you have with it, and I
feel the joy because I'm watching your videos and I'm like,
oh my god, Yeah, it's going for National parks with
your parents in six days or something on the highways
and all these things. I'm saying, you were on a
full deep dive. Well I was so impressed with your
whole Oh I forgot to tell you this. Sunny was
watching your videos with me. Yeah, and she said, Mom,

(33:48):
she has a good life. She's done so many cool things.
I was like, she does have a good life and
she has done cool things. See, but that's what I hope.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
You know, there's a lot of people out there who
are watching my stuff.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
My niece included.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
My niece loves to roll through all my Instagram reels
and like catch up on my life. And I want people,
little girls, little boys out there to see stuff and
be like I want to go on an adventure or
I want to try all the foods or tell me,
because I just think it's creating an environment for people
to be more open minded and understand the world around
them instead of being closed off to what's out there,

(34:24):
and so creating those even if it's like this silly
video where I'm sitting in my kitchen and I'm talking
about something can be so much bigger than that.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
But that does bring me joy and that does make
me happy.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
And that's not the one size fits all for everybody else.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
That just works for me.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
So maybe what works for you is podcasting, and I
think that's also beautiful.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
And just where you can be real with it. I
think showing up authentically you can feel that, you can
totally feel it. Okay, So tell me about the birth
of take that personally, because you're already kind of doing
it on your Instagram, like sharing these big conversations that
so many people, especially in this age group where you're
not married, you're dating, or you're like in a relationship,
you're getting very young. You're young. It's not a girl,

(35:06):
not yet a woman, but you are a woman. But
you know, like that in between phase where it's like
so many things are changing, so many moving pieces, you're
questioning everything you're coming out of, like all of the
pre programmed identities that we've had from just our upbringing
and being young adolescent, growing into a woman, and now
here you are. You've got so many wonderful things going
for you, but you've got to like figure it out.
It's like such a time to figure it out, you know,

(35:28):
and it's important to figure it out and to get
comfortable and to get truly like connected to who you are.
You know. And I feel like that's what you are,
such a great shining example of you've like really gone
in there to find yourself and you're showing people how
to do it.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
Yeah, I mean that's really what the podcast was inspired by.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
I always had great support systems.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
There was you know, I had my family, and I
had decent friends besides the situation that happened high school.
I but what was so hard for me was the
things that I was specifically going through nobody else was
going through. Even my parents were like, we love you,
we're here, tell us what we can do.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
I was like, you can't. You don't know. You do
not know how this feels, as much as you want
to and as much as you're here to help.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
And I wanted a podcast where I talked about just
so many of those tough things and tough life moments
where people if they're like, nobody gets it, nobody knows
what I'm going through, that maybe one of the guests,
whether it be a normal person or an expert, comes
on and they're like, that's how I feel. I just
wanted a space where people felt seen and they didn't

(36:34):
feel alone in.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
These really really hard battles.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
And I think there's a lot of entertainment that touches
on these topics, but it doesn't go deep into them,
and it doesn't give you the resources to figure out
how to get through them. And that's what I wanted
to do, is combine the two. Is like I'm going
to give you resources, but I also want you to
feel like this is a safe space for you to be.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
What are some of the topics that you're hitting.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
So we talk relationships, we talk dating, We do talk
about careers, like if you're like I hate my job,
what do I do and I'm forty years old? Or
we also talk a lot about mental health. We talk
about friendships and how to make friends.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
When you're an adult? Do you make friends when you're
an adult?

Speaker 3 (37:13):
So tough, but I brought on a friendship coach for
that reason, like what do we do?

Speaker 2 (37:16):
It's so hard? And like what to look for?

Speaker 3 (37:19):
And you know, just so many things that you go
through life and they just are kind of the tough
questions or the tough like what do we do through
these things? So a lot of those topics it's going
to be across the board of just anything that's hard.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Really I love that. So how's it been. It's been
out like, what a couple of days? Yeah, only a
couple of days. How we're feeling love the billboard?

Speaker 4 (37:42):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (37:42):
I hate Well, listen you want to talk about somebody
who's like always growing? And I had like a full
blown panic attack. I saw Morgan on Monday, which is
your producer also and our miss president of Yeah, like
the episode released midnight Sunday to Monday, and like Monday, I.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
Was like I saw her and I was like I cried.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
I like had a full blown melt down on Sunday
where like every emotion that could possibly come out of
my body came out.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
I was mad. I was sad, I was excited. I
was literally like every inside out character like when it
came out.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
Yeah, like right before it had come out, I was like,
holy crap, I am about to give And I think
I wrote something similar on my Instagram. I was like,
I'm about to give people another platform to criticize me.
I'm literally opening up another way for this to happen.
People criticize you, Oh yeah they do. Yeah, we got
anyone criticize you.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Listen, you're a walking angel.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
We there's millions of people in this world and everybody's
got an opinion and some I like to share it
more than others. But and it was just more that
I was like, dang, like, am I really ready to
put every emotion feeling I have out there? So I
just had more of like this meltdown of like Okay,
here we go ready or not or jumping, and so

(39:01):
it was like this like anxiety slash mental breakdown and
then it start it's weaning.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Off as you're talking to me.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
Now I'm probably at the end of that, but it's
still happening, you know, even amongst all the awesome people
who are listening and praising it or whatever, I'm still
that same person who's like, I'm also a perfectionist. So
I see one person that hates I'm like, how can
I make them look it? You know, because I just
and I that's like one of my toughest lessons is
like I can't control everything and I can't make everybody

(39:30):
like me. And that's the hard thing that I've had
to understand and deal with. So hopefully I'm gonna be
taking my own lessens during the podcast too.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Man, I feel that on people pleasing. I actually hired
a life coach when I was prepping for forty. I
hired a life coach and I was thinking of like
thirty eight, maybe because I struggled with self worth and
I was like I just always had self worth and
like I would be the person if I walk into
a room, I'm like, I came in here, coming in hot,
coming in with a huge vers of energy. I'm gonna
work the whole room. I'm gonna make sure I see everyone.

(40:00):
I'm gonna tell you all the great things about yourself.
I'm going to make you love me, and if you don't,
then I'm gonna work even harder, and I'm gonna drive
you crazy because I have to make sure you love me,
because if you don't love me, then I'm going to
fully dealt my self worth. And I finally just like
burnt out of that. I was like, I just don't
have the energy for this anymore. And also I don't know,

(40:20):
maybe it's like getting older and kind of what you're doing.
You put yourself out there over and over again. You
learn about yourself and you realize your worth and your
value and that you're a good person doing good things
to the best of your ability. And if you make
someone upset on accident, like there's nothing I can do
about that. And I actually I posted something on my
forty first birthday because I was like, I don't know

(40:41):
exactly what it said, but it's like I'm at the
phase now where it's like if I didn't if I
didn't break it, I don't have to fix it if
I if if you don't like like my energy, like
that's fine, you know, And it's like, it's such a
hard lesson to get to that point. It's like I
don't have to win you over and for some reason,
if we just don't click, or if I create friction
with you for some reason because my personality just does that,

(41:03):
then that's okay. I'm not gonna like spend my life
trying to make you like me. And that is like
such a hard revelation to get to.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
No, I think adapting to that lesson too, is really hard.
I think it's I think everybody knows like, don't care
what other people think about you, and don't be bothered
when they don't like you, and I think everybody knows that,
but adapting to that is a whole other ballgame. And
every day choosing to adapt to that and be like, Okay.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
It's okay, you don't like me. I'm gonna cry do this,
but it's okay. You know, that's a tough Lessonially, when
you have people coming at you and actually saying mean
things to you online. Well, and we you know, we
live in a in right now.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
Again, social media has done so many beautiful things, but
it's also given us a lot of people who feel
really inclined to share their thoughts, and it's awesome in
a lot of ways, but it's also you have a
lot of people who aren't thinking and they're just typing
or they're just sharing, like the first thing that there's
no like, Okay, let me put that through a few
filters before it comes out, and I get a lot

(42:06):
of people. I've came back to this notion where I'm like,
I'm done protecting people. It wasn't my job to protect
people in the first place, but for whatever reason I was,
I wasn't I sharing their faces or their names, or
I just like live in fear of these.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
People who'd comment. I'm like, I'm not doing it anymore.
I don't owe you protection.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
If you feel the need to share something.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
So mean, then I feel the need to.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
Protect myself from that. However, I see fit and I
think I think a lot of people's digital footprints are
going to matter at some point, and I think it's
going to come back to bite a lot of people
who have said a lot of mean things.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
I totally can see that.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
Oh it's it, like I the thing that I tell
whenever I talk to like just younger kids and stuff,
I'm like, I know you love social media and you.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
Should be honest, you should.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
It's great, But I also want you to remember that
someday this could all.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Come out anything you say, anything doing it. Your digital
footprint is like your fingerprint never goes away.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
It's never gonna go whether you think you deleted it
and scrubbed it from the Internet, it's there.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
It's somebody's gonna find it.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
So make sure that, like you want your grandkids someday
to be okay with.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Whatever you put out there, kind of goes back to
just be a good person, just be a decent human.
Decent human is kind of hard.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
You know. I think learning right, like, it's harder for.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
Humanity to do that than we thought. That whole golden
rule thing we learned. I don't think that's up in
schools anymore. We're ready to teach it now. I feel like,
what's the golden rule? What does that even mean? Exactly?
So hopefully in all of that there was there was
some little nuggets and wisdom. You're kicking ass, Morgan, Okay,
tell me some crazy celebrity stories because you have you
have definitely met them all. Do you have a favorite?

(43:58):
And I before Man and you came along, I noticed
you made a friendship bracelet for someone who was famous.
Oh yeah, we talked about that.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
Yeah you can say it was Dustin Lynch Lynch. I
don't know the videos are out there.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
You had. We talked about it on the air. Okay,
I missed too. It was a big reveal you had
a crush on Dustin. I didn't a crutch. Okay, well
tell me what we love about him?

Speaker 3 (44:18):
No, no, no, this is all born out of like did
you give him the bracelet?

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Yeah? But here's the thing was it?

Speaker 3 (44:25):
It was like this was just so ballsy that this
is all born out of a lot of things.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
I was like the whole.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
Like Taylor Travis bracelet stuff was happening, and I was like,
this would be great content.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Okay, who would I even like want to.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
Go on a date with if they actually said yes something, Okay,
Dustin's a great option, like he's super attractive.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Whatever, And I just really wasn't. There wasn't like a
lot of.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
Genuine thought behind it before besides being like I should
be bold and just start doing more bold things.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
I had another like revelation, like you're in your power.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
You like hear me roar, yeah, I am, I'm just
gonna do this. You are literally I think I told
my friends. I was like, the best case scenario out
of this is I go on a date. The worst
case scenario is I get great, gauntent out of it.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Like, but you're so cool that you can like you
can handle either. Yeah, and it was like it was funny.
I mean, the rejection stung a minute, and also it
was rejection. Okay, how did did you have it filming
when you gave him the bracelet? Yeah, and he was great,
like pay out the situation little, but howd it go down?
I didn't see this. No, I'm not. I don't need
to real live. Yes I did. He just said no.

(45:27):
He was like oh yeah, and he was like laughing.
He was like, oh, we can visit Kansas.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
It was yeah, whatever and yeah, but then they're out
of you for being balls eight.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
That is awesome.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
His response was like later, like two weeks later, he
sent a text and it was just like, I don't
really date in the industry.

Speaker 4 (45:43):
I'm like cool, like whatever, whatever your reason is, whatever,
snowpy De like I had already moved on by the
time I got in the text, but I'm proud.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Of you for doing it. My tactic was to get
super hammered drunk and then go do the what's the
flirt to flirt to roast? Just go do the roast
on them before we had ever gone on that date.
So oh it did not work. I have at and
I would go after artists too, So like, there's a
whole handway. How many what artists did you go after?
I act, I told you mine bandit okay? Well, oh,

(46:10):
I can't go through my roster. It's no my husband
doesn't even listen. No, no, no, no, I just you
just mean me talking about that. I now I have
made in uniforms, so like, come on, you gotta give
me something here. I mean, I may okay. My first
song I ever wrote was called so over You. It
was about Lee Rice because it said I'm so over hoping.
It's your name. Every time my cell phone rings. You

(46:31):
say you will, but you never do. You never seem
to follow through. I'm so over hoping, wait, feeling second
best to your friends. Do your job, and I get
what's left. I'm so unimpressed, and I swear it's true.
I'm so over you. Oh my god. I brought him
up on stage one time I was doing a show
with my band Stealing Angels, And of course, like Lee,

(46:52):
Rice was like kind of in his heyday. He was
very cute and charming and sweet, and like I thought,
because we were making out sometimes that like he may
we're friends with benefits, well not lots of benefits. I
was very prude, so like Luckily, I was prude, so
like it was kissing, you know, okay, But like we
met at Tin Roof, I was nice and of course,
you know, I don't have since given up drinking, but

(47:13):
like I we met at Tin Roof, and like I
was like, oh this is he loves me. He must
love me, and like he was so nice and freddy.
Come to find out, he was just really nice with
a lot of people. And he's not married and father
and all this great, but you know he was He
was never rude, nothing ever wrong other than the fact
that he was not trying to be in a relationship
with me.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
Yeah, which is hard when you may try to be
in a relationship.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
I was definitely trying to be in a relationship with him,
and so never worked out but sometimes we'd make out
and be like, oh, we're falling in love again. This
is great, and then the fun back and forth. I mean,
I was so bad at dating. I was so bad
at dating. And then finally I did a show with
him and Jen and Taylor, who has on a trio
with We're Like pulled him up on stage and made

(47:56):
me sing the song so over You too, Lee, and
he was such a great sport, and I was like,
you never know that we were lovely, but we were
in love. It affected me so much that the first
song I ever wrote was about you and just called
so over You. You told him that on stage. I'm
a Psychohio, you think your chaos at least You're like, wait,
can you tell me more? Please? Oh god please? The

(48:17):
list is long, okay, but like, give me some good ones.
That was a good one. That was a great one.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
But like you admitted you said it on stage, so
I need something that you haven't shared before.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Well, I mean, for my poor husband, he's just tell
him to put his headphones on. Well, when I did
a podcast with Morgan, I told her that like one
guy sucked my toes and then that made it on
the internet and I was like, God, this is really great.
My husband is so sad. It wasn't a celebrity that
sucked your toes. It was it was a big hit songwriter.
I can't say that name. That's fine.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
I have to understand I say that name, I understand.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Yeah, I didn't know who was going to go for
the toe. Have you ever read a toe suck? Can't
say that I have. It was very shocking. I mean
I was like, okay, guess we're doing that. Never knew
that was coming.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
But you'd make and you do toasucking, but you know,
I just make out toasuck.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Okay, that's it. At what point while that toasucking.

Speaker 4 (49:09):
Was happening, were you're like, I think you should probably stop?

Speaker 2 (49:12):
What point should I have just walked away from dating?
I was so awful at dating, like so bad at dating.
It was so bad. I did not know how to date.
I would get so nervously. Did he stuck on your
toes more than once? No, because it kind of ended
after that, although I would have kept it going, but
once again, he was not trying to date just me,
so even getting to sucked didn't didn't even get a

(49:34):
second date after the toadsuck. I mean, what in the
world you know you should at least get a second date.
Come on, I mean, yeah, for putting up with that,
for sure. I guess people like it, this whole feet
fetish thing. Yeah, feet fetishes are very red. I was
in on the feet fetish before I knew feet fetishes
were happening. You were in. You were a different kind
of in there. They were kind of in totally. I mean, okay, well,

(49:55):
let's see if there's anyone else I'm willing to share
on this list. Michael is probably like, why, why, why?
What made you you? These big stories that shaped and
molded you. That's why I'm so calm now, and like
why I'm trying to be so calm in this back
chapter of my life because I was so chaotic in
my first like thirty five years. Well yeah, probably the

(50:17):
first thirty five, like my dating years. Like as soon
as I realized that I liked boys, which was very young, Yeah,
I was after them.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
Well, I will tell you I was boy crazy enough
that when I was in middle school, I was playing
with a kid. Do you remember when the ball was
on like a pole and a string and you throw telorball?

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Yeah, oh yeah, taylorball for life back in the day
when people don't have iPhones or screens, and we went
outside and played, yeah, tetherball. It was amazing.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
Yeah, and I was playing tetherball. That's the guy thought
was cute.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Guy. It was a boy.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
We were ten years old and we were playing tetherball.
The telorball broke and then he thought it was like.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
You know, he's being mean, he's flirting with me. You
gotta be mean flirt obviously, that's my tactic my whole life,
even in you learned it from all the boys. Stuck
with that one you did.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
He threw it out me and he broke my middle finger.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
You're like, you did this? And then my parents got
a call like later that day after I like they
had already had to get me like a extra and
everything for my finger. They're like, your.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
Daughter should probably stop hanging out with all.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
The boys, and they're like, are you for.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
Real, Like we just got I don't need we don't
need this right now.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
So I get it. I was in trouble a lot
for hanging out with them. Well, you've done it better though,
because like you hang out and you're cool and you
can talk and you can converse. I would not hang out.
I would locate and identify someone I thought that I
was attracted to. Then I would immediately drink too much
alcohol and then try to do the roasting thing without
the flirt. And it never worked out, but it worked

(51:41):
out somehow.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
You're married and you have a guy sucking your toes,
so like it worked out and some And.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Michael is the absolute greatest husband I could ever ask for.
It have a foot fetish. He's never sucked my toe
could no really happy for. He's not really into feet, Like,
he's very clean, Like he doesn't like dirty feet. Like
if I was like, walk across the floor beare it
and then be like second tell he'd be like you
need to watch that foot, Like, no, there are germs.
He doesn't even like to walk without shoots sometimes. Okay,

(52:06):
he's a clear what you were experiencing early in your dating.
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah those are great totally. So this
podcast is gonna be fun for Michael. He's gonna love it.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
Just tell him to block out for like you know,
just pretended to happen.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Yeah, it's totally fine. I'm like I'm trying to be
more open. Morgan. You do you got to share everything?
Like my faults are embarrassing. Like when I share this
kind of stuff, I'm like, this is why I vault
this stuff up, but I think it out and it's awful.
Like the repercussions of this I'm gonna have I'm gonna.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
Have are the repercussions beside Michael being like, really you
had to share that?

Speaker 1 (52:38):
That?

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Really? Besides that? Okay, what are the let's talk about him.
What are the repercussions, because I feel like there's a lot,
Like I feel like my parents might see it and
they're gonna be like, oh my god, Caroline, you're like
sucking toes.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
Oh see, my parents will call me with things like
I remember I did a photo show.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
You need to give this you cancel me because this
is my big hold up when people know the dark,
dark darkness of my vault, which is like it's embarrassing dating.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
Okay, Carolyn, if you don't make it a big deal,
nobody else is gonna make it a big deal.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Okay, I got my toe steps, No good deal.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
Whatever, you're like whatever that was in my twenties, Who cares.
See if you respond in that way, they're gonna be
like Okay, this is not a big deal.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
They make it a big deal. You're like, oh my god, yeah,
I can't believe I shared that. Trying to date out there.
It's a hard world up there.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
Like, sorry, that was a weird experience for me, but like,
I know, cool, whatever, we're moving on.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
I'm married, now, you have a grand kid. We're fine. Okay,
so we're gonna wrap up though, But what's the craziest
dating experience that you've had, Because I've shared mine obviously
in humiliation, and so like, what's the crazy situation where
you are on a date or you're you know, like
getting a little kissy face and then something happens and
you're like, whoa you know you posted something where someone
like asked you to be naked and better them on
a twelve hinge.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
Yeah, those are wild the prompts that happened on dating apps.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
For sure, I'll give me much better if you're laying
in bed and day with me, like yo, instant delete. No,
there was one.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
This This isn't a guy like I dated or anything,
but we had seen yourself for a few for a
little bit and he had like stayed over the first
time he stayed over he slept with his hat on.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Was he bald? I think he was losing his hair?
I dated I had someone who never took their hat off.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
No, like he slept in a like I'm not talking
about like an athletic carabinie or like, no, not a beanie.
This was a full brim hat that he's slept it
like a cowboy hat. No, but like a like a
like a flap you know, like one of those. I
had a full brim like it was. He's not a
comfortable hat.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
So he was like very straight on his back when
he was sleeping. I don't know if he did I'll
pass out because I didn't really know what was happening.
He slept in a full hat. Okay, so what did
you do when you saw the hat?

Speaker 3 (54:41):
I didn't like, are you you're gonna take that off?

Speaker 2 (54:45):
And he was like no, he just felt he was like, Okay,
I guess that's what's gonna happen today.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
Was it was at the end of the No, we
we like, so I talk put a little bit, not
for very long. He wasn't like a probably a I
don't know two months that we saw each other.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
You ever get your hands on that head and see
what there, never did, never did understand, have no idea
what's happening. I never once took the hat off.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
No wow, And like listen, I respect that there's an
insecurities with that, but also like own it.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
That's where the confidence comes in.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
Just you own that stuff, especially if you're.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
About to go to sleep. Yeah. I dated one artist
who was going bald and never ever, ever, ever took
the hat off or a beanie off. I can't say
that one because it's you know, wait, do they have
hair now? I don't know, I don't know. I don't
keep up with anymore.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
There is one artist that I am like, I don't
feel like you had hair, but now you have hair,
and I think that's I think it's cool.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
I finally dated that one too, because I know one
of those. But no, this was how many arts okay,
I went through. I'm not going to tell you how
many artists did you date? Dating is giving it too much? Okay?
How many artists did you make make out with, make
out with casually? See? Probably at least ten? And how
many of them are like big artists today? M maehan,

(56:02):
I am high girl. I mean, I'm only hitting the top.
You know that's it.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
You gotta be how but they were at the top bend,
they were doing well.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
They were like on their way or they're ish, not
all the same thing. I knew it was gonna happen. Okay,
I can spot talent. I just give me all of them.
I only wanted to be with an artist. I wanted
to be with the creative person, not like because I
will only to be with an artist because they're famous.
I just only wanted an artist lifestyle. I wanted to
be on the road. I wanted to see the world.

(56:29):
I wanted all the excitement of it. And now I'm
married an artist and I love it, and it is
like I am made for it, like I can handle it.
And I must have known that because it is not
for the fandom heart to be with an artist, and
I am an artist, and I just knew that that
was the life for me. I was just ready for
the life of chaos and the highs and the lows
and all of it. So I was like, Okay, here
we go. You went hard. I think that's why I

(56:51):
am so tired now and why I'm so opposite and
so calming down in my life, because I'm like I
was so insane, Morgan, I don't think insane is the
right word.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
I think you were exploring your options and understanding what
was out in the world.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Yeah, that was it. I don't think you were insane.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
I think the guy who's sucking your toes is a
little bizarre, but I don't think any of y'all are insane.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
That's just what happens when you're living life. You are
living your life, living my life, and I'm not gonna
have any regards. And now you now you have great
stories to share. I guess I'm gonna start sharing them
with no shame. You should, and I'm gonna listen to
that personally, and I'm gonna know that I'm not alone
and that we all go through this. Yep, that's exactly
what's gonna happen. Yes, except I don't know that anybody's

(57:35):
gonna have the artist stories.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
Like you, But I hope there's still something in there
for you to connect with.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Well, thank you, thank you, thank you. You're amazing. I
always wrap up with leave your light, and you have
so much light to share. You're so inspiring. You were
like sharing so much goodness with the world. You're putting
yourself out there, it's amazing. What do you want people
to know? Oh, just in general, open end, just to
leave him a little inspiration. Get why.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
I want people to note that whatever they are going through,
it is only going to get better from here.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
And you're not alone. You're never gonna be alone.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
As long as I live on this earth and people
like me in Caroline exists in the world, You're not
gonna be alone.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
And you can go find someone someone like you will
share your stories to let people know they're not alone. Yeah,
and that's powerful. That is very powerful.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
So thank you for having me on and hanging out
with me.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
It was fun to talk to you. Sometimes people call
me up to the podcast and they're like, I'm having
an emotional hangover over this, Like I am having a
vulnerability hangover. I over shared, and like I'm gonna call
you and be like and more gonna be like, should
we just edit the whole podcast out because I overshared?
She's like, no, this is actually the good stuff. You
need to talk like this. Yeah, you should. You did great.
I'm telling you. If you just like kind of bowld

(58:50):
those your way through things, it's gonna be fine. It's fine.
I think it's because I've always felt like I was
a chaotic one in my family, because like my family's
pretty great and like traditional, and my sister's awesome, and
she's like she's just like such a good person and
she's always done great things. And then I'm over here
just splatter painting against the wall, and I just feel
like I'm just chaos.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
Yeah, but splatter painting against the wall means you were
always creating art.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Don't forget that.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
And also messes, Okay, messes.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
That are also awesome. You keep twisting it, just let
it be awesome. And this is taking me back because
now I've done all this work to get to this
place of peace and like self worth, but this is
taking me back into my chaos error. Yeah, and it's
like taking me back and how I felt. So I
need to like maybe need to go revisit myself in
that error. You may need to go smash the things.

(59:39):
Can we go together? Yes, I'll go smash things always. Okay, Honestly,
you're awesome. Thank you so much for joining me. I'm
so proud of you. Your podcast takes that personally is amazing,
and it's out in the world and you're doing it
and you're just such a bright light. And thank you
for sharing all of your heart and soul and your
struggles and what you have, your triumphs, your struggles, all
of it, so let other people know that it's normal,

(01:00:01):
you're not alone, got this, hang in there, and there's
resources and there's people who are there to help you
and get you to the other side, and you can
do it too, and that's just what we need. So
thank you for being this bright light, Morgan. Thank you
for having me on. It was so much fun. You're amazing.