This week on GET REAL Podcast...TRANNIE ANDERSON!
TRANNIE is a hit Nashville songwriter scoring cuts with Reba McEntire, Gabby Barrett, and Lainey Wilson (among others!). She recently earned a number one with, “Heart Like A Truck,” by Lainey Wilson.
IN THIS EPISODE, we talk:
• Both being from Waco, TX and how we met
• Making the move to Nashville to follow her dreams
• What it’s like writing number one songs
• The importance of following the passions in your heart
Trannie and I go way back and it has been such a joy watching her bloom into who she is today. I cannot wait for y’all to listen to this episode!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Add carl Lone, she's a queen and talking, and so
she's getting really.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Not afraid to fail this episode.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Soul, just let it flow.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
No one can do we quiet.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Carl Lone is sounding carold.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
This is a really special episode of Get Real Podcasts
because I'm here with Trannie Anderson, who I have known
forever forever.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
We're from the same hometown, yes we are. And you
were telling me of a story when we met, which
you gotta tell again because I did not remember this story.
But I've literally known you since you were like ten, yeah, yeah,
maybe younger. Actually a little younger, because I was a teenager.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
You were a teenager, so I was probably like seven
or eight.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
You were seven or eight. Yeah, And we were hanging
at the pool.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Well, Caroline and all of her friends were like the
cool high school girls that would hang out at the
local pool, and they were all so beautiful, and they
were wearing bikinis and just like just hot and had
their tanning oil. And I just remember like looking at
all of those girls, especially Caroline because she was the
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prettiest one. And I went up to Caroline and I
went up to you, and I said, hey, can I
tan with y'all and I was maybe like eight, and
and you said, of course you can. You pulled me
up a chair and you let me borrow some of
your tanning oil. And that is the moment that I
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was like, I want to be like Caroline when I
grow up.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Tranny. That is so sweet, and I feel like my
heart is always nights. But like when you told me
that story, I'm like, please, please, please let me have
and said yes, you were so nice. Oh my gosh.
And then so flash forward. I moved to Nashville to
pursue this stream of music. Wanted to be a country
star back in the day. Moved to college, went to
(02:18):
Belmont here and then you had always loved songwriting? When
did you start loving songwriting?
Speaker 4 (02:25):
I mean, honestly, at that age, I was already writing songs.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, so you were. Were you playing piano then too?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
I was writing songs at like the age of six
seven around there is when I started sitting at our
piano in our house, and I would just was obsessed
with it even then. And all the local churches in Waco,
I kind of became like the mascot. I was just
like they were just like passing me around. I don't
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know if mascot's the right word. I was like, I
was just like the little pet, that's a better word.
I was like the pet that they would pass around
all the Baptist churches. I would play my original songs
during the offer tour.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
So you're like on a Baptist church church tour.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Yes, I was on a Baptist church tour and ofvatory tour.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
I mean that was like eight nine ten, playing my
originals it during the offer tories.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
And so you moved to town, so I don't did
you call You didn't call me when you moved to town,
like I didn't know you had moved town or did
I know you had moved to town?
Speaker 4 (03:23):
No, I didn't tell you because I hadn't talked to
you in a really long time. And I'm like ten
years older, so like I had already graduated.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I was, I was, I must have been thirty.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Yeah, but I was keeping up with you, like and
you didn't know it.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Well, it'sially because I was in Nashville doing it, and
that's what you wanted to do, right. I was watching
you and.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Your dad was our family dentist, and so I like
every time I would go to the dentist. I would
get an update on what you were doing and what
Michael was doing. And I do remember I don't know
if you remember this, but with my mom and I
took one Nashville trip where we hung out with you,
and you took us to that restaurant in Midtown where
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the tree is growing in the middle of the restaurant
South South something. Yeah, I do remember. We had fried
pickles and chicken. Yeah, yes, And you were giving me
advice and I was like, I was probably not that I.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Had advice to give. I don't know what advice I
could have given you, because I still don't know what
I'm doing.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
You gave me great advice, and I was I was
like a freshman in high school?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Did I said, just you?
Speaker 4 (04:30):
I mean you were just kind of telling me what
it was like on music row and like what you
were doing and like your experiences, and like just you
giving me time at all was like really encouraging for me.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
You know, well, something about you, even starting with the
story with you walking up at the pool, it just
shows me, like I've seen this in you now so much.
I've seen this play out over and over with your
personality and your drive. You are not scared when you
identify something you want to do, even if it's just
like laying next to older girls at a pool and
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using suntan oil. You're not afraid to put yourself in
that situation and ask for what you want and then
do what it takes to get it. You know, a
lot of people are too scared to put themselves out there.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
I'm always scared every time, like every literally my right
at eleven that I'm about to do, I'm like a
little nervous for it, But like my want to outweighs
my level of fear. So that is like always why
I end up doing it. Anyway, It's not because I don't.
It's not because I'm unsure. Not unsure. I'm always unsure.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
And you packed up. So when you were leaving with Waco,
you decided you went to college. You went to Baylor.
I went to Baylor.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Went to Baylor.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Your mom's like a professional golf athlete. Your dad he's
more business, right.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Yeah, he was a banker, a rancher. Okay, as a hobby,
but like it wouldn't it was no hobby. But your
mom's like a dreamer. That's probably where you get your dreamers. Absolutely,
so your mom, like.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
She was like one of the first women in the
PGA or something right, or played I don't know, was
she in the PGA.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
She yeah, she played on the LPGA tour. And yeah,
I mean it was it was a time where it
was still pretty early on. Like I'm trying to remember
what decade that was. I guess the eighties. Yeah, it
was in the eighties, and like, you know, a woman
being a professional athlete was not normal totally during that time.
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I mean it was happening, but like.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
But she did it, your mom. You get that spirit
from your mom, and so absolutely you had this dream.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
You posted this video on your Instagram, and like every
time I see it makes me cry. Like you're packing
up your car and you're leaving Waco with your big
dreams and your little piano and all your stuff, and
you're like driving out of the driveway and you like
you've made a post around that, Like what did you say?
What's the sentiment behind that when you were like tacking
up and going to Nashville.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
I mean, for me, it wasn't on a whin you
know what I mean. I knew from the time I
was like eight, How did you know, Well, I knew
about Nashville because you, and then I knew about Nashville
because of some of the music ministers in our hometown.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
But how did you know you had to do this?
I just knew, like it was a calling. I just
feltic knew. Yeah, I mean, like you had to write
music and sing and play.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
I've always loved the Lord from the time I was
a little kid, and I because of that, like I've
biboically speaking, I'm filled.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
With the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
If you're a believer, you're filled with the Holy Spirit.
And I always, from a young age like felt the
Holy Spirit like tugging at me to like write songs
and do this with my life and I'm amazing. So
like packing up my truck and moving here was.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Like you knew you were called to do it.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Yeah, Like I mean it had been like fifteen years
coming pretty much, so I was ready. I was ready.
I was scared, but I was ready.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
I love that you were talking about God too, because
I feel I feel like a lot of times that's
what's missing from the world, is if like all the
sadness and depression and all the confusion, I feel like
God's not there. You know, I feel like where there
is God, there is peace. There is a knowingness. You know,
(08:24):
even if you don't know what to do, you know
you know what to do inside, right, Like have you
always felt that it's an internal compass for me?
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Yeah, Like I don't know. For me, feelings live together,
like feelings can lie to us. But if there's like
an underlying like kind of unshakable feeling, that's like what
I listened to more like I've I've been scared and
felt peace at the same time, you know what I mean.
(08:54):
And like for me walking through life, if I like
still have that underlying peace and I don't feel my
gut saying like oh don't don't do that, don't go
over there, then like if it's saying yeah, like you're
on the right path, then I'm going to keep going.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Because there's a difference of like being like scared and
it's like not safe, it's not the right thing, like
you feel like you're pushing against your alignment, versus being
scared of like oh my god, this is so nerve
wracking because this is so in my purpose, like it's
pushing me.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
It's different and also for me, like I think the
more time. And I really try to make this a
habit in my life, and I especially have in my twenties,
like really spending time with the Lord.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
How do you do that?
Speaker 4 (09:43):
I mean for me, it's it's been like doing different
Bible studies and like being in community with other believers
that want to do those Bible studies to like in
the bottom wine goal is to know the Lord more
and like know Lord's heart more, and like in prayer,
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like spending time in prayer and just being quiet and
like listening because it's so easy to just like bog
ourselves down with the noise that's in the world and
you can't hear those you can't hear that underlying truth
is much when you're not giving yourself time to seek it, you.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Know what I mean, Yes, I do.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
So that's like really what I try to make a habit.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Of is.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Quieting the noise. You can hear the truth.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Quieting the noise so I can so I can hear
the truth and like everything that bleeds into every other
area of my life, you know what I mean, Like,
decisions aren't as hard when I like give myself time
to sit with that.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
And you're not You're not making decisions based off of
anxiety or feeling like you're gonna miss out or panic,
you know, all the feelings that we have. You're making
a decision based off a truth of knowing.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Yeah, and like like searching for it in the Bible
and spending time with the Lord.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah, I love that, Okay, And I want to talk
about then, how we reconnected in Nashville because I met
you immediately once you came here on accident, we bumped
into each other. But your journey has led you this
trust that you have had in yourself, your confidence and
your knowingness. Like that actually means like you telling that
story about the pool, like it like thinking now about
(11:25):
our life full circle, It's like some people are just
meant to be in life together. Even though like you
and I don't hang out all the time and we're
like ten years apart, our lives have just followed a
similar path, you know, isn't that interesting the Lord and
I like attribute that to the Lord, like the wary
timing and like our journeys weaving in and out together
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has just been like so evident because you could never
have planned it, no, but that also led you to
you trusting yourself to move to Nashville. And we're going
to get into this in the back half, but I
want to stay in the beginning part of your journey
for a minute. But now you're like writing with Laney
Wilson before she became Laney Wilson, y'all found your groove.
You wrote like tons of songs on her album, that
(12:08):
one album of the year, Bell Bottom Country. I mean,
you have like a new cut that comes out, like
I feel like almost every week there's like a new
song on an artist that you've written. And I'm like,
if that is not you and your purpose, following your truth,
following your alignment, doing the hard work that goes with it,
but doing the.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Work that you're supposed to do, you know, because you
can work hard, but if you're not working hard in
the wrong, if you're not working hard in your alignment
and what you're supposed to do, you're kind of just
wasting your time and your talents.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
You know. So you have identified from the very beginning
what you were called to do, and you've worked your
little booty off doing it, and you stayed the course
and you've trusted it, and now your life has become
so fruitful, and it's like I keep coming I've been
talking about God a lot lately, but it's like I
keep coming back to like the breeze. So it is
a good especially in this world everyone's looking for Like
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everyone's so depressed, everyone's so angry, everyone's so lost. But
it's like, if you keep coming back to the truth
of God, the fruits of the spirit will bless your life,
like you are now being blessed fruitfully with in abundance,
Like your career is thriving. You have a marriage that's striving,
You're living in a community where you are truly yourself
and supported and loved and celebrated, and like you're living
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your dream and all of this hard work and all
of these things that you did, the hard decisions you
made to stay true to your calling, they pay off.
And that's but you're following God's will for your life.
I'm really trying to. But that's I feel like that's
how you have true happiness, right I think so, I
think so, And like I don't know.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
I mean I'm still learning so much, Like I just
turned thirty one and looking back at all of it, like, yeah,
I've been so fortunate, like it hasn't all been easy.
It's of course not to be really patient and trust
the process and trust the Lord in it. But like, yeah,
I'm in a really great season of life right.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Now and you're in the harvest season.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
I don't take it for granted. And yeah, I don't know,
Like I think there probably is some correlation in like
I truly desire to please the Lord and then like
getting to enjoy my life. In that, I think there
is correlation. But also at the same time, it's like
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I know some people. I know plenty of people that
I like want to please the Lord and really like
seek him and like are going through really really tough times,
And like, I think that's just life. So I don't
think it always.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
It takes away the pain of life, you know, Like
I think sometimes like that's how the diamond is refined,
you know. Like I know, for like me and Michael
personally speaking, we're coming out of like a really rough
three years. But it's like that was all a bigger
place because it chips away, it sheds the layers. It
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makes you deal with the the part of you that
like maybe wasn't serving you for your highest and best,
you know, or like teach you a lesson. It's I
don't think it's what it means. It's easy, you know,
because a lot of times, like if you look, even
like in stories in the Bible, like some of the
biggest believers have the worst things happen to them.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Absolutely, you know, so absolutely, And like that's that's why
I think, like there's so much truth that lies in
the Bible, because I don't think it like, yeah, if
you're walking with Jesus, that doesn't mean it's going to
be an easy walk.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
But when it is, enjoy it. When it is, enjoy it.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
And like I am in that moment of I'm not
not necessarily easy, but like I am living my dream
and I don't take it for granted. And you're in
the harvest season right now. You cloud the field, you
planted the seeds the rain.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yeah, you're like your dad ranching and now you're reaping
the fruits of your labor.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Yeah, So when you first moved to Nashville, you and
I bumped into each other, like what day three that
you were here? So how old are you, Carolyn?
Speaker 4 (16:09):
I twenty one, ten years ago, twenty two, about ten
years ago, yep, And I remember I mean, I'd only
lived in Nashville for three hours, not even three days.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
So that's divine timing, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
And I mean, how many restaurants are there in Nashville, Hundreds, hundreds, hundreds.
I went to the same one that you happened to
be at for dinner that first night I lived in Nashville,
and I saw you from across the restaurant.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Are you with your mom?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
No?
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Are you about yourself?
Speaker 1 (16:44):
No?
Speaker 4 (16:44):
I was out with the Decker family, and they're Bill
and Courtney Decker. They because you lived with a family
when I first came to family and that was probably nice. Yeah,
they were They're all Baylor people, so I knew their
daughter in college and that was like a great way
for me to settle in Nashville. But they took me
(17:07):
to Blue Moon in the Nations and you and Michael
and all of a thousand horses where they were eating
dinner and I saw you and I hadn't seen you
probably in like, I don't know, years, and so I
went up to you and I reminded you who I was.
I was like, hey, like, do you remember me? I
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was like the girl that wanted to tand with you
at the pool and anyway, you were just so sweet
to me. And I asked you to get coffee, because
that's what you do when you moved to Nashle he
asked everybody in their mom to get coffee and learn.
And you said yeah, and we got coffee. And you
have me start dog sitting for you.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Oh yes, okay, because Michael, at that time, they were
in the heat of touring. They were like out with
Jason a Dean Darius Rucker all the time. So were
you and we all the whis were going out NonStop,
and so had these two dogs. I don't know if
we get sugar yet, maybe just Ruby. You did have sugar.
I did have sugar, Okay, So I had sugars.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
A puppy, puppy.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Sugar who's the sweetest our little lab corky mix. And Ruby,
who's passed away. But she was my angel, little old
lady Chihuahua Chihuahua shit soup Pappy on chip palm. She's
a cheap pomp shit. She had some attitude. Attitude. Oh
my god.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
She would bite her tongue all the time.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
It would just like be hanging out of her mouth
a little sweet thing. She was one of those dogs.
It just like I've had I've been like to have
really great dogs.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
And so because these dogs were like my babies, I
was like, oh my gosh, well do you want to
dog sit?
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
And you're like okay, and then here comes Tranny, just
like getting a little window of an opportunity to dog sit.
You turned it into a whole freaking business because I
had all these.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
You do that, though I wouldn't plan it on that.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
I had all these friends who were artists and touring artists,
and they all had dogs and everyone needed a dog sitter. Yeah,
So you started like staying at like all these people's houses.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
I mean, well, you kept getting me so much business,
and all these artists were calling me, and I was hoping,
like somebody, I'm like, man, I should probably like say yes,
because first of all, I need money.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I was broke.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Secondly, like these are artists that like maybe someday I
can write songs for them, you know. And so and
that was like such an organic, like great way to
just kind of start to get to know the community,
you know, and like.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
You really get to know them intimately. You're in their houses,
take care of their animals. Yes, and you're important, very important.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
Yeah. So I went ahead and turned it into a business.
When you were sending me so much business, I was like, well,
I can't dog sit for you, Brett Eldridge, Brett Aldridge, because.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I'm already sitting for Hunter Hayes. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
So so like in my mind, I'm like, I'm going
to start losing business. And so I started hiring other
songwriters to work for my company, pop Stars, which I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Twenty one years old, twenty times old. This is incredible.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
And I was like, man, I gotta like keep this going,
and so like eventually, like a couple.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Of years Stars was born.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
A couple of years later, I had like fifteen people
in houses every night, and I was managing it.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Could you have ever imagined that?
Speaker 4 (20:27):
No, I never planned on that. But I always have
loved business too, and so that's it was like really
fun for me.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
And it's a business that like is putting you in
the right in the smack dad middle of the country
music industry spot exactly in such an interesting way. Like
that's what I love about God too. It's like you
could have never imagined that you'd get your foot in
the door through dog sitting.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
No, you know, no. And what was also so great
about that is like I was staying a musician houses,
so like there were pianos everywhere for me to like
spend a couple hours at, and like, I mean, dog
sitting is like easy. So it's like I get to
hang out with the dog and I need I get
to be in my own head and like enjoy playing
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this piano and then like make sure the dog is
eating and getting on his walk, and that's like about it,
you know.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
And then you're in the space of these musicians. So
that probably feels like just to be in that energy.
I know how that makes me feel when I'm like
in the presence of people that I admire and look
up to, Oh my gosh, you know, to be in
their space, You're like, it's like make stuff real.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
It felt attainable.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
It felt attainable, yes, and real because like you're seeing
their dirty laundry on the floor, You're seeing how they
eat their refrigerator literally their dirty laundry. Yeah, did y'all
eventually like end up offering stuff like more than dog sitting,
like cleaning, and I don't know it.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Yes, that was not me. I ended up selling the
company to a girl named Carly.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
How amazing that you had a company to sell?
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Yeah, it was really cool.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Was it bittersweet or were you right?
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Yeah? I was ready at that point, just because I
was already pretty deep into building my songwriting side of
things and I was getting pretty busy with that, and
so I think I sold it three years.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Ago and it was just the right timing because I mean,
look at how your career blew up. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Well, And what's so great though, is like that company
was just like a win win for everybody. Like it
blessed the artist that I was saying for, it blessed me,
It blessed my sitters, and now it's blessing Carly and
her family and like her career too. She's a songwriter too,
and so yeah, I mean that's just kind of like
the ideal is starting a company that you hope is
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a win win for everybody.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
But it's also just following that this. I was talking
to my sister yesterday about this, and we were like
reliving some of the miracles in our life, because I
feel like sometimes we forget in the midst of hasty
moments all of the miracles that have happened and all
the things that have just come into fruition that you
could have never dreamed of. For sure, Sorry guys, I
(23:11):
got a little bit of a cough, But it's like
you could have never planned for that to happen. It
was a God thing, and so it blessed you and
a blessed everyone around because it was from God. And
it's it's hard sometimes to just trust that God's going
to guide you and provide. But when you are truly
walking in your knowing that you're doing what you're supposed
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to be doing, it always works out. Absolutely, it really does,
and it's.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Probably going to be in a way that you never
planned on. It's so definitely will be in a way
you done. It's also being really open minded to like
what God has for you in that way.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
And not trying to like box them in. Absolutely because
we all do it.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
We all box them in and then but we we
got to really work on staying open to what He
has for us.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
That is so true. How do you feel now that
you can blindly trust?
Speaker 4 (24:14):
I mean, I like still get scared and nervous all
the time, and like I've had to make some big
decisions recently, and like it was, you know, I was
very on the fence of like, oh my gosh, I
don't quite.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Know what's right.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
But I have had enough life experience now that like
I know that I know that voice that we were
talking about earlier on a deeper level, and I've seen
him come through in my life so many times that like,
based on all of that, I know I can trust him,
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and so I trust him a little more quickly and
easily now.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah, yeah, okay, So tell me how songwriting start happening.
Because you had all these songs you were writing, you
knew this is what you wanted to do. But once again,
moving to Nashville, it's a big town with a lot
of talented people. It's like it's a treasure map of
how to get in here, and it's like the map's
being written as you're living it. You know, there's no
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two ways. It doesn't happen the same for anybody, different
for everybody. It's different for everybody. You can watch I mean,
you don't even watch behind the scenes anymore. Like I
used to watch those MTV behind the scenes, Like how
did people do it? Making up the stars? And you
think you can just go do the same thing, but
like literally it is such a different path for everyone.
It's like everyone walks a new journey. So you knew
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you wanted to do this. Now your pups, You've created
a pup stars. You're in all these celebrities houses with
their dogs writing songs. It's feeling attainable. And you have
now a plethora of songs you've written. Were you writing
by yourself?
Speaker 4 (25:51):
I was building my network of co writers too in
Nashville at that time, and like the way you do
that when you there's hundreds of thousands of people, there
are songwriters in this town, and everybody starts at that
square one of like you just say yes to everything and.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
You go to like writers rounds and stuff, or how
did you meet me?
Speaker 4 (26:14):
By like writers' rounds? And then like kind of how
I initially started was the yup page. Do you remember
the yup page? Young Entertainment Professionals. It's an organization. And
I posted on the page on Facebook and and I
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just posted a song I wrote, and I said, Hey,
I'm new to town. I don't know any one. I'm
trying to like find co writes and friends, honestly, So like,
if you like my song and you want a friend too,
like just hit me up. And there were like probably
twenty five thirty comments on it, and I hung out
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with and wrote a song with every single person that
commented on it. And that's where I started. And like, honestly,
sometimes it was in your house while I was dog sitting.
I like my co writer came over and we loved
on the dogs and we wrote a song, and then
they left and then I took the dogs on walk.
So it's like I was doing all those things simultaneously
and like building my network. And then you know, after
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you have thirty co writes, maybe you want to write
with five of those people again. And then they maybe
they've been in town for a couple of years longer
than you, and they've already kind of like whittled down
their network a little bit more. So then you start
meeting their friends and you write a song with their friends,
and then suddenly it like you can keep your books
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pretty full. And so that's what started happening for me.
And then like you kind of keep working your way
up that creative ladder if you're ready to keep doing that,
and you get the opportunity to write with someone who
has a publishing deal because that's what I.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Wanted to do.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Initially was like okay, like to get my songs to
the right people, I'm going to need a publishing deal
probably okay, And so that was published.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Up is where it's like right now, we're in Sony
right now because you write with Sony and it's where
they take a percentage of your song. But then they
hook you up with all the writers. They have a
song plugger who pitches all your songs. They network. It's
just so many things happen when you have a publishing deal.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
They have a lot of artists signed. They know everyone
in town. So it's like you know, when you're coming
up and you like don't know anyone. You don't know
what you're doing yet. Like I'm a publishing deal. It
sounds really good. And I have to say, eight years
into town too, it's I'm so glad I have a
publishing deal.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
So when did you get a publishing deal.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
A year and a half into living in Nashville and.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Only a year and a half. You're not one that.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Fast, yeah, and that's but I've been writing for years
and like building my cattle and like thanks to you
and Jennifer Wayne, I like y'all were just putting me
in like a good position to like take meetings and
like get my foot in the door because you saw
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me and like you cared about me and genuinely do
you really had no reason to, Like I like, I
could give you nothing, and you chose you and Jennifer
chose to see me and love me, even like when
I couldn't really do much in return for you other
than like pick up your dog's poop. That's about all
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I could do at that point.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
I've had people do that for me too, and I
saw but I've always seen the spark in you. You know,
it's like so sweet, you've had a spark, and it's
you'll do this if you haven't already done this for someone,
Like someone will come in your path that you just
see and believe in and have a connection with, and
it's absolutely it's awesome, you know, And like now I
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see you where you are and I'm like, oh my god,
Like you are so amazing, You're so blossomed, you're so
like realized, you've realized, you fully realized your dream. Of course,
you have so much more to achieve in this life.
But like it is so incredible to see what you've
done with your life and your drive and your hustle
and the opportunities that you've been given, how you've made
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them into something so fantastical. It's it's inspiring. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Well, it's I mean what really helped me was like
looking up to women like you and like other female
songwriters in town two that like gave me the time
of day and let me learn and like following their footsteps,
and so yeah, I want to do that for other
people too. But it makes like kindness inspires kindness, you
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know what I mean it does, so like that's how
I feel, is like your kindness and other people's kindness
to me in town has inspired me to be kind
to other people in the same way. So I think
like it's a chain reaction, you know.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Okay, so a year and a half then you get
a publishing deal that was from a leading gen set
you up with. Yeah that's amazing.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Yeah, and I mean at this little company that what
was the company? It was called catch this Music?
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Okay, and it is that rush.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
That was this music oh okay, very similar name. It
did not survive though, but still you got a publishing deal.
I got a publishing deal. I was there for like
a year and a half. And what was so great
is it started getting my foot in the door of
that circle of signed writers, like the people who were
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really really doing it and really really good, and like
who have now become my class of songwriters that are
all starting to have our first number ones together and
our first big successes together. And I don't think the
rest of it wouldn't have played out the way it
has if I hadn't gotten that first really crappy publishing deal.
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And like, man, I was, I'm so thankful for it.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yes, Okay, So then when did you hook up with
Laney Wilson? Because she was she had nothing going on either, right,
just a dreamer. And I love what she said. She
said something and she's like, I feel like I've loved
country music for a long time and it's finally just
starting to love me back. And I'm like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Yes, that's so sweet. That's a good thing too, because
I don't think I've ever told you this story. It's weird,
but there was one guy from our hometown. Did you
make it?
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Did you ever know Stephen? Oh my gosh, why am
I forgetting his last name right now.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
It's hard to remember people. I literally have a memory
of Goldfish. I can't remember anything. Oh my gosh, Steven,
he's awesome Stephen. And he.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Was friends with Laney when he was living here. He
he was writing songs here for four years. He did
that after he graduated from Midway.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
And a high school in Waco, Texas.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Yes, and he chose to move to Nashville instead of
go to college. And he became friends with Laney during
that time. And then he decided songwriting like wasn't for him,
and so he moved back to Waco the week before
I moved to Nashville. And in that time, that one
week and that one wee intercepted. We got a drink
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at Dichotomy.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Because you knew y'all knew each other existed, and he
was leaving Nashville and you're going you are literally like
passing ships in the night.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Yes, And I wanted his advice.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
And he's so good at asking people for advice. That's
another key thing, because I feel like an idiot and
I needed they all are, you know, I mean, everyone's
an idiot until you figure it out.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Well, absolutely, And so I take advice as much as
I possibly can. But we got a drink and he
was just kind of letting me know what Nashi was like.
And he he said, you know, I have this feeling
that like you and this girl named Laney Wilson would
be really good friends. And he gave me Laney's number
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and he said, when you you hadn't moved here yet. No,
this was before you moved. This was the week before
I moved to Nashville. And he said, you just call
her when you get there. I feel like y'all would
really enjoy like hanging out. And so I called her,
or I texted her and I was like, after I
moved to Nashville and we got coffee at prothee Monkey Stop.
(34:34):
Like pretty soon after I moved to Nashville and became
friends started writing together.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Stop.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
So like I've got in divine intervention.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
I don't know what it is, you know, So everyone listening,
I just want to take a moment to like reflect
on this because I love a God story and everyone
has his ability to have a God story if you
let God in and like looking back at your story,
like even like how we met, all the little tiny
pieces that came into your like all the things that
have happened you dogs it and getting you in people's
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houses that you admired and wanted to you know, have
careers like and then you're meeting Landy. It's like, we
can try as hard as we can to force something
to happen. But if you're not in alignment, and if
you're not listening to God's calling an instruction that you
can feel in your soul, and to me, it feels
like when you go against God's calling, it feels like resistance.
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It feels like anxiety, it feels like stress, It feels
like a lot of times darkness, you.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Know, and it doesn't let up either.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Yes, and you never get out of it if you
make a decision and you have anxiety about it or
remorse about it or guilt about it, like that's not
from God. But whenever you are just in the flow
of following God and trusting God, these things happen like
you could have never planned for that, you could have
never been Like, I'm gonna get in with Landy Wilson
right now because she's gonna be really famous. She's just
gonna be on the top of the charts, and like
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you know, I'm a scheme. Yes, yes, And you did
it for the love of your passion and your calling,
and she was doing it for the same thing. And
God brought y'all together and you were able to make
real music from a real place, not trying to like
chase a chart position like you guys were just both
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struggling trying to get in there. And it's amazing and
that makes the story so good, you know, because it's divine.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Yeah, I'm gonna add one more thing to what you
said to like absolutely, it's like going, it's going with
like where you feel aligned. And I also think it's
like just saying yes all the time all the time,
because especially in the beginning, like you don't.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Know where any of those doors lead to.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
And I saw this quote yesterday and I hope I
get it right, but it was like really interesting. It
was like, if God gives you a shovel, you don't
pray for a hole. Like, if God gives you shovel.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Dig dig, yeah, dig dig the hole, he hadn't gonna
do it for you. I gave me a damn shovel.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
I love that, you know, And so that's what I've
always tried to do.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
And you dig. Anytime you get any kind of tool
from God, you go all in.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
I dig and tell the hole says, this is not
your hole.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Like we've maxed out the hole is, don't dig another
one exactly. Yeah, And I feel like it's very I
can tell now when it's done, when you run your
course of something. Yeah, can you feel that now absolutely?
What does that feel like to you?
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Well, I think it's like just kind of similar to
how you know you should start something. You just have
a gut feeling that like okay, like I think I
should start digging, and when you're when you're supposed to
move on to something else, like that was pop Stars
(37:47):
for me, you start getting or rumbling. Yeah, I just
like had this gut feeling of like, okay, training, you
need to Mostly it was like you need to make
space for something else.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
You could feel like because we're in the height of
something and it's like rocking and you're in the middle
of digging that hole and you know that's where you're
supposed to be, Like you're not looking anywhere up like
left or right. You're like, okay, I'm here. But then
once you start getting to the end of it, it's
like Okay, Okay, I think I know what you mean.
It's like we're kind of getting towards a transition. A
transition is coming.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
You only have so much space in your life and
in your mind, and when you feel like, you know,
for an extended period of time, if you feel like
you're being suffocated and like you need to make room
for something new, you have to purge some things. And
I would be careful with that, Like I think if
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you have a couple of weeks that feel like that,
put your foot on the brake. Like if it's months
of that, God's telling you something.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
And then how do you figure out what to purge?
Like how did you know it's time to let PEP
Stars go? Because this was your bread and butter.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
I've always had a vision for like where I want
to be and who I want to be, and like
for me, pop Stars didn't align with like where I
would where I vision going. Yeah, for the forever vision
you'd aligned for a long time, and I'm so proud
of that business and like you really helped me build
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that business, and but it felt right for it to
go to someone else.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Who was ready to dig, who.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Was ready to dig That's right?
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Oh, I love that. Was it hard to let it
go or were you like so knowing that it was time?
It wasn't.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
It wasn't like it it was because it had been
a part of my life for so long. But I,
like I said, I wanted to make space for something else.
And as soon as that space opened up for me,
I like had this uh just rush of joy that
I got to like fill that space with more time
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for song ideas or like just some other dreams. I
was able to start dreaming again.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Okay, So then tell me when did it all start happening,
because you get tell me about when you got your
next publishing deal.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
So is that was that Sony. Have you been here
for a while now, Yeah, I've been here for five
and a half years.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
So after catch This you came to Sony, Yes, And
which is huge, by the way, I mean, there are
so few songwriters who are getting paid to be professional songwriters,
like with publishing deals such a blessing. So the fact
that you're at Sony, like one of the biggest in
the world, I mean that's huge. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
Yeah, yeah, that was like just being at a little
company for like I said, a year and a half
just kind of put me on the map on music
Row enough that other publishers were paying attention to me now.
And so when that company closed shop, Sony called me
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pretty immediately.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
They called you. Yeah. Wow, And it also doesn't happen.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
I know, And I was very fortunate to get you don't.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Have any cuts or anything, and they called you, huh.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
I had a couple independent cuts. That's really yet it
was we're all talent, baby, I guess I don't know.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Well they called you with nothing really going on. They
just saw the raw talent. I guess another god thing
because people my work ethic that people will cut off
their right arm to get a deal here. Yeah, yeah
with cuts, yeah, yeah, that's huge. Yes, And Katie kirkover
signed me over here and yeah, and I had a
couple offers too, because like I feel like once you get.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
One or two offers and suddenly you have five, you.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Know, all the sharks come. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
And so that happened, and that I was able to
get a co publishing deal too.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
So you keep a lot of your publishing. I own
half of my publishing. Yeah, you had no cuts. You
were a brand new writer. Yes, Sony came after you,
and you get to keep half of your publishing. Most
people have to give away one hundred percent of their publishing.
Ye tell me, God's not all over.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
That well, And like I will say this, I'll add
this part to the story. Like that deal that I
had for a year and a half was a full
publishing deal. So they had all your they had all
my publishing. I was getting paid like nothing.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
And that's the thing with young artists and writers will
give away their entire songs, which is what happens when
you sign a publishing deal, Like you make money off
of the song, how many times it gets played all that,
and so like if you give away all of your publishing,
you don't make any more money on that song. Ever. Again, no,
you only get the draw that they give you, which
most of the time is nothing. It's anywhere from like
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could be like one thousand to three thousand dollars. It's
like not even liveable. You give away your child basically. Yeah,
so it's kind of terrible. The reason the reason I
say this is because I learned something from this. Like
to me, getting that publishing deal was such a huge win.
In hindsight, I'm like, oh wow, they were scremming me
over and I didn't know, but you needed that next
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step so badly it was worth it.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
Yes, And so I would have been there probably for
four years.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
If they hadn't closed.
Speaker 4 (42:48):
And they closed a year in to my deal, and
then like and for me, like when that happened, I
was like, oh my gosh, this is like horrible, this
is like the end of it. You know, I'm gonna
have to start over. Well, a much better door open
for me, like very immediately after that, and I signed
the deal of my Dreams pretty much. So it's like
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and you keep half of your publishing, yes. And so
I tell that story to say, if you're going through
something that like seems like the end of your world,
like it might it might end up being the best
thing that's ever happened to you, just like hold tight
and like trust that something good is coming, because I've
experienced that. That's like one example of that in my life.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
And I think that happens sometimes is like door slamming
shut that you feel like were the door that was
gonna be the door that led you to all your opportunity, Yes,
and you would have never closed it. And so if
you've I always go back to this, if you've done
everything that you can do. If you're doing everything that
you can do and something like falls apart, it's supposed
to fall apart, Yes it is. And like back to
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like God, people, God not making it easy like a
lot of times, to get on the path we're supposed
to go, Like the endings can be painful, can be messy,
they can hurt, but if you keep trusting and.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
Following, there's a reason. Look at you now.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Now you're at Sony with half your publishing. Yeah that's huge.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
Yeah, I mean but I didn't see any of that coming.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
You couldn't even dreamed it up. No, that's why you
have to have this deep blinding trust, which is so
hard to do. Yeah, and even if you don't have
the trust because it's too big to believe that it
could work out, you just have to keep following the
next step.
Speaker 4 (44:23):
Right absolutely, And like to further answer your question of
like okay, like you're at Sony and like now all
these things are happening, like what that's looked like? It's
Sony For me has just been like keeping my head
down and writing a song, like we were talking about farming earlier,
Like keeping my head down and planning a seed every
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day and every rite, and like treating it like it's
going to be song of the year every day. You
don't ever dial it in.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
No, Yeah, I think that's the key, Like showing up
with your full heart every time.
Speaker 4 (45:02):
Yes, And like I'm having to like kind of uh,
maybe chill out occasionally now a little bit, because like
trying to write the song of the year every single
day is exhausting, but you're showing up in every room
bringing all I take it seriously. I take it seriously,
and I'm thankful for every opportunity I get.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Can you believe every song could be something great? Yes?
Speaker 4 (45:24):
And so whoever I'm writing with that day, I'm going
to give you one hundred and ten percent of me.
And I did that every day for five in the
last five and a half years at Sony. And like
what that turns into That doesn't like always turn into
a hit.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
Song, but like turn into life.
Speaker 4 (45:43):
But like you well, it's like, yeah, like that turned
into some cuts, and like I think like it's also
just in those moments like looking at the big dog
Riders that you want to be like someday going okay,
like I need to this cut that I just got
on this independent artist, or this cut that I just
got on this artist in their first record deal at Sony,
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that like it's probably not going to radio whatever, Like
I'm probably not gonna make money.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Well guess what?
Speaker 4 (46:09):
Like those all stack up on top of each other,
and like, just get the cut and write this song
in an honest way, Like if it's good enough, it
will resonate in a way that's bigger than you ever dreamed.
And I've experienced that in my career so far.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
So you don't go into a writing session being like, ugh,
this is a no name artist, I'm having a bad day.
I'm just gonna kind of sit here and throw out
some lyrics, try to wrap this song up as fast
as I can and then bye. Like you don't do that.
Speaker 4 (46:41):
I mean occasionally I feel that way because I'm a human.
But you know what I do is like I remind
myself how many people in this town want to be
in this room today writing this song, and I am
thankful that I get to fill those shoes. And so
I pray for my attitude, I pray for my creativity,
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I pray for my co writers every day and that
after you do that, it's kind of hard to be
in a funky mood, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (47:14):
You know, Yes, I was also talking to my sister
about this too. It's like following these principles of God,
like praying to God, giving thanks to God, yes, you know,
being grateful. These aren't things to punish up us or
to keep us in submission to God or whatever. It's
to give us joy and freedom in this life. Yes,
because when you change your mindset to that, all of
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a sudden, now you're having a great day. Now you're
feeling blessed. Now you're feeling grateful. Whatever human stresses you
had before, now you're like, Okay, let me get divinely
centered here and like refocus on what is really going
on here, the bigger picture. But you have to remember
you have to take the time for it, you have
to prioritize it.
Speaker 4 (47:56):
And you have to need it, you know, like for me,
prayer and spending time with God. Like when it when
it feels like my check off my to do list,
I don't. I don't get that joy in that peace
and like the benefits of walking with God. But when
it's my daily bread and I'm hungry for it every day,
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like my soul needs it. That's when I get joy
and peace and im and I'm truly walking with God.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
I love that. Okay, So flash forward, you wrote about
half of Landy Wilson's album or I don't even know
wal Bottom Country. There are tons of songs on that
I did. You wrote Heart Like a Truck? Yeah, that
one's number one? Which other ones?
Speaker 4 (48:44):
Did?
Speaker 2 (48:44):
Y'all have other number ones together? Stay tuned? Okay?
Speaker 4 (48:51):
When is this coming out.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
In a probably in a few weeks.
Speaker 4 (48:55):
Okay, then I can say this like it's gonna come
out after November thirteenth. Yeah, okay, I have her next
single and it's called Wildflowers and Old Horses, and.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
That's just so cool, so cool.
Speaker 4 (49:13):
We'd like actually, me and Lanny wrote those two songs
back to back, rights with heartle Like Truck, which is
just wild to me. Yeah, we wrote those. We wrote
those songs like just a couple weeks apart from each other.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
Had she popped off yet?
Speaker 4 (49:29):
No?
Speaker 2 (49:30):
So what was it like in those writing rooms when
y'all both were just dreamers with like, now she's like
the hottest thing in country music, if not like more
like she's all over the place. Now, what was it energy?
Because now she's a star and you're a hit songwriter. Yeah,
but like then you both were not y'all just had
dreams in your heart. What was the energy like in
the room.
Speaker 4 (49:49):
Yeah, I mean I knew something good was happening for her.
You could see it. I mean, it's like blown my mind,
and like far far exceeded her expectations. I rank, but
like I'm not going to speak for her on that,
but like I don't know how you can't see what's
what's happening. You don't you can't see that? Yeah, but
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things A man I want to know was at radio
at that time when we wrote those songs and it
was working and things were starting to happen, and so
like I did go into that room going like, wow,
her artistry is coming together. I see it. I see it,
and I can do that, Like I want to say
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what she's saying.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
You had that y'all wanted to speak the same song.
Speaker 4 (50:39):
Yes, Lainey and I look at life through a very
similar lens.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
What is that lens?
Speaker 4 (50:46):
She loves God very much and so like everything is
always bigger than her in her life and like me too,
and so we like really see eye to eye on
that and like the importance of our families, and like
the importance of being grateful for where we come from,
(51:06):
and like our journeys, and like working hard, and like
just all all the things that kind of like make
a person tick. We we feel very similarly, and I
think that that's why we want to tell stories a
similar way, and so like and I didn't we didn't
really know that until we wrote Heart Like a Truck.
(51:28):
Like we had been writing songs together in the past,
and like I had a song called middle Finger on
her EP that was her first label release at BBR.
But like man stumping just happened the day we wrote
Hart like a Truck.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
You could feel it, Yes, what did it feel like?
Speaker 4 (51:53):
Alignment to use your words, like it just it was
just like this is supposed to this is where we're
supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
It all felt right, this is what we're supposed.
Speaker 4 (52:02):
To be doing. And since then, like that's just helped
me surrender to God even more too, like especially my creativity.
Like just yeah, anytime I'm I have the opportunity to
write with her, I just fully surrender that time. And
(52:23):
I'm like, God, whatever you want us to say, Like
you you be our co writer in that room, and
I know she's doing the same thing. And often we're
writing with Dallas Wilson, who's one of our best best friends, and.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
J'll have like a little trio, yes, called the Heart Wranglers.
I mean you, Lady Wilson and Dallas what's his.
Speaker 4 (52:41):
Name, Dallas Wilson.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
Oh, but they're not related, they're not related. I mean,
how cool you're in a trio with a writing trio.
It's so cool.
Speaker 4 (52:50):
And and like Dallas also is like aligns with the
same way we see wife in like our and like
why we're here.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
And it's a bigger thing, absolutely, Like she's a star
on stage singing. You guys are right there writing the songs,
pouring your heart out. But it's not for your own ego. Yes,
you can enjoy it. You can enjoy it if I
re enjoy it it, but it's for a bigger picture.
Speaker 4 (53:16):
Absolutely absolutely. And so anyway, anytime we're together writing songs,
like we pray before we ask the Lord to like
speak through us and he does, Praise God, he does.
Speaker 3 (53:32):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
Yeah, that is so cool, Tranny. I mean, I am
just to hear your story. I am so proud of you. Well,
thank you.
Speaker 4 (53:43):
We're both just trucking along here, but like I am
just so to see you and to know you from
that little girl at the pool, you know, just sitting
up beside me to now you are one of the
co writers on album of the Year with Lady Wilson.
Your dreams have come true. You are truly walking in
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your purpose.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
You are this incredible, beautiful, amazing, talented, godly woman and
you are living your dreams. What does it feel like
because you used to just be dreaming of this day
and now the day is here. What does it feel
like to have your dreams come true?
Speaker 4 (54:26):
I mean, I catch myself crying about it often often,
but in a weird way. It just it just feels
like I'm right where I.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
Need to be. It was supposed to be this way.
Speaker 4 (54:39):
It was supposed to be this way, And like, I
don't know what that looks like over the next decades
of my life. I hope I get decades, so it'd
be great.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
I don't know what it looks like.
Speaker 4 (54:52):
But at this point in time, like I just so
deeply sense the Lord like sitting next to me and
like walking with me, and that's like what I want
more than anything else. So like at some point ten
years down the line, if God is like, Okay, Tony,
we're gonna go over here and do this instead. Like, man,
I'm going to listen to that because I have seen
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what that does in someone's life, like just following the
calling yes and yeah, so and you know, like he's
calling me to write with other artists too, and like
so I'm really enjoying that too, like telling a lot
of other artists stories and and you know, we'll see
(55:35):
what else pops off. But I'm like just having so
much fun right now, Like I just am having fun, Caroline.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
You know, I'm so happy for you, Like it stills
my heart with just overwhelming joy just to see you.
You're just thriving, You're in full bloom. You really are
full bloom. I'm so proud of you. And I always
wrap up with leave your light, yeah and super open ended.
But what do you want people to know?
Speaker 4 (56:05):
Man? I feel like we've covered so much of what
I think we both want people to know. I think
I'm going to kind of like elaborate on what I
was just saying with fun too. I feel like we've
talked about some serious things and like I think like
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we all should take life very seriously. We only get
one of them. But in that I think, like to
stay healthy and stay balanced, you also just need to
have fun and you need to like not take when
you find yourself taking yourself too seriously, like I don't know,
(56:48):
like go do something weird and like have some fun
and like just kind of like lighten up, light lighten up,
and like let your inner child come out again and
like remember what you came from, who you are and
laugh every day. That's my that's my advice is like
find something to laugh about, like belly laugh about every day.
Speaker 2 (57:11):
Oh that's good. That is good. Tranny Anderson, thank you
so much. I am so proud of you. I'm so
happy to have you on this podcast. And this is
just extra special just our journey, like truly, I mean
we've had like twenty plus years of just walking this
path and I'm so proud of you.
Speaker 4 (57:31):
You've been an integral piece, like for real.
Speaker 2 (57:33):
Well you are and me too. I Mean we've been
in each other's lives for a reason, and I'm just
it just makes me. You don't even know how much
pride I have for you and how happy I am for.
Speaker 4 (57:42):
You same because I've watched you chase down your dreams
for years and years and years, and looked up to
you for years and years, and I still do.
Speaker 2 (57:51):
I still look up to you. It's mutual, mutual.
Speaker 4 (57:55):
I love you.
Speaker 2 (57:56):
I love you too. Thank you so much for coming on.
Thanks Caro
Add carl Lone, she's a queen and talking, and so
she's getting really.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Not afraid to fail this episode.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Soul, just let it flow.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
No one can do we quiet.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Carl Lone is sounding carold.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
This is a really special episode of Get Real Podcasts
because I'm here with Trannie Anderson, who I have known
forever forever.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
We're from the same hometown, yes we are. And you
were telling me of a story when we met, which
you gotta tell again because I did not remember this story.
But I've literally known you since you were like ten, yeah, yeah,
maybe younger. Actually a little younger, because I was a teenager.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
You were a teenager, so I was probably like seven
or eight.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
You were seven or eight. Yeah, And we were hanging
at the pool.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Well, Caroline and all of her friends were like the
cool high school girls that would hang out at the
local pool, and they were all so beautiful, and they
were wearing bikinis and just like just hot and had
their tanning oil. And I just remember like looking at
all of those girls, especially Caroline because she was the
(01:31):
prettiest one. And I went up to Caroline and I
went up to you, and I said, hey, can I
tan with y'all and I was maybe like eight, and
and you said, of course you can. You pulled me
up a chair and you let me borrow some of
your tanning oil. And that is the moment that I
(01:52):
was like, I want to be like Caroline when I
grow up.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Tranny. That is so sweet, and I feel like my
heart is always nights. But like when you told me
that story, I'm like, please, please, please let me have
and said yes, you were so nice. Oh my gosh.
And then so flash forward. I moved to Nashville to
pursue this stream of music. Wanted to be a country
star back in the day. Moved to college, went to
(02:18):
Belmont here and then you had always loved songwriting? When
did you start loving songwriting?
Speaker 4 (02:25):
I mean, honestly, at that age, I was already writing songs.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, so you were. Were you playing piano then too?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
I was writing songs at like the age of six
seven around there is when I started sitting at our
piano in our house, and I would just was obsessed
with it even then. And all the local churches in Waco,
I kind of became like the mascot. I was just
like they were just like passing me around. I don't
(02:51):
know if mascot's the right word. I was like, I
was just like the little pet, that's a better word.
I was like the pet that they would pass around
all the Baptist churches. I would play my original songs
during the offer tour.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
So you're like on a Baptist church church tour.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Yes, I was on a Baptist church tour and ofvatory tour.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
I mean that was like eight nine ten, playing my
originals it during the offer tories.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
And so you moved to town, so I don't did
you call You didn't call me when you moved to town,
like I didn't know you had moved town or did
I know you had moved to town?
Speaker 4 (03:23):
No, I didn't tell you because I hadn't talked to
you in a really long time. And I'm like ten
years older, so like I had already graduated.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I was, I was, I must have been thirty.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Yeah, but I was keeping up with you, like and
you didn't know it.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Well, it'sially because I was in Nashville doing it, and
that's what you wanted to do, right. I was watching
you and.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Your dad was our family dentist, and so I like
every time I would go to the dentist. I would
get an update on what you were doing and what
Michael was doing. And I do remember I don't know
if you remember this, but with my mom and I
took one Nashville trip where we hung out with you,
and you took us to that restaurant in Midtown where
(04:07):
the tree is growing in the middle of the restaurant
South South something. Yeah, I do remember. We had fried
pickles and chicken. Yeah, yes, And you were giving me
advice and I was like, I was probably not that I.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Had advice to give. I don't know what advice I
could have given you, because I still don't know what
I'm doing.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
You gave me great advice, and I was I was
like a freshman in high school?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Did I said, just you?
Speaker 4 (04:30):
I mean you were just kind of telling me what
it was like on music row and like what you
were doing and like your experiences, and like just you
giving me time at all was like really encouraging for me.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
You know, well, something about you, even starting with the
story with you walking up at the pool, it just
shows me, like I've seen this in you now so much.
I've seen this play out over and over with your
personality and your drive. You are not scared when you
identify something you want to do, even if it's just
like laying next to older girls at a pool and
(05:03):
using suntan oil. You're not afraid to put yourself in
that situation and ask for what you want and then
do what it takes to get it. You know, a
lot of people are too scared to put themselves out there.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
I'm always scared every time, like every literally my right
at eleven that I'm about to do, I'm like a
little nervous for it, But like my want to outweighs
my level of fear. So that is like always why
I end up doing it. Anyway, It's not because I don't.
It's not because I'm unsure. Not unsure. I'm always unsure.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
And you packed up. So when you were leaving with Waco,
you decided you went to college. You went to Baylor.
I went to Baylor.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Went to Baylor.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Your mom's like a professional golf athlete. Your dad he's
more business, right.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Yeah, he was a banker, a rancher. Okay, as a hobby,
but like it wouldn't it was no hobby. But your
mom's like a dreamer. That's probably where you get your dreamers. Absolutely,
so your mom, like.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
She was like one of the first women in the
PGA or something right, or played I don't know, was
she in the PGA.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
She yeah, she played on the LPGA tour. And yeah,
I mean it was it was a time where it
was still pretty early on. Like I'm trying to remember
what decade that was. I guess the eighties. Yeah, it
was in the eighties, and like, you know, a woman
being a professional athlete was not normal totally during that time.
(06:28):
I mean it was happening, but like.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
But she did it, your mom. You get that spirit
from your mom, and so absolutely you had this dream.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
You posted this video on your Instagram, and like every
time I see it makes me cry. Like you're packing
up your car and you're leaving Waco with your big
dreams and your little piano and all your stuff, and
you're like driving out of the driveway and you like
you've made a post around that, Like what did you say?
What's the sentiment behind that when you were like tacking
up and going to Nashville.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
I mean, for me, it wasn't on a whin you
know what I mean. I knew from the time I
was like eight, How did you know, Well, I knew
about Nashville because you, and then I knew about Nashville
because of some of the music ministers in our hometown.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
But how did you know you had to do this?
I just knew, like it was a calling. I just
feltic knew. Yeah, I mean, like you had to write
music and sing and play.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
I've always loved the Lord from the time I was
a little kid, and I because of that, like I've
biboically speaking, I'm filled.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
With the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
If you're a believer, you're filled with the Holy Spirit.
And I always, from a young age like felt the
Holy Spirit like tugging at me to like write songs
and do this with my life and I'm amazing. So
like packing up my truck and moving here was.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Like you knew you were called to do it.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Yeah, Like I mean it had been like fifteen years
coming pretty much, so I was ready. I was ready.
I was scared, but I was ready.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
I love that you were talking about God too, because
I feel I feel like a lot of times that's
what's missing from the world, is if like all the
sadness and depression and all the confusion, I feel like
God's not there. You know, I feel like where there
is God, there is peace. There is a knowingness. You know,
(08:24):
even if you don't know what to do, you know
you know what to do inside, right, Like have you
always felt that it's an internal compass for me?
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Yeah, Like I don't know. For me, feelings live together,
like feelings can lie to us. But if there's like
an underlying like kind of unshakable feeling, that's like what
I listened to more like I've I've been scared and
felt peace at the same time, you know what I mean.
(08:54):
And like for me walking through life, if I like
still have that underlying peace and I don't feel my
gut saying like oh don't don't do that, don't go
over there, then like if it's saying yeah, like you're
on the right path, then I'm going to keep going.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Because there's a difference of like being like scared and
it's like not safe, it's not the right thing, like
you feel like you're pushing against your alignment, versus being
scared of like oh my god, this is so nerve
wracking because this is so in my purpose, like it's
pushing me.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
It's different and also for me, like I think the
more time. And I really try to make this a
habit in my life, and I especially have in my twenties,
like really spending time with the Lord.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
How do you do that?
Speaker 4 (09:43):
I mean for me, it's it's been like doing different
Bible studies and like being in community with other believers
that want to do those Bible studies to like in
the bottom wine goal is to know the Lord more
and like know Lord's heart more, and like in prayer,
(10:04):
like spending time in prayer and just being quiet and
like listening because it's so easy to just like bog
ourselves down with the noise that's in the world and
you can't hear those you can't hear that underlying truth
is much when you're not giving yourself time to seek it, you.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Know what I mean, Yes, I do.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
So that's like really what I try to make a habit.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Of is.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Quieting the noise. You can hear the truth.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Quieting the noise so I can so I can hear
the truth and like everything that bleeds into every other
area of my life, you know what I mean, Like,
decisions aren't as hard when I like give myself time
to sit with that.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
And you're not You're not making decisions based off of
anxiety or feeling like you're gonna miss out or panic,
you know, all the feelings that we have. You're making
a decision based off a truth of knowing.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Yeah, and like like searching for it in the Bible
and spending time with the Lord.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah, I love that, Okay, And I want to talk
about then, how we reconnected in Nashville because I met
you immediately once you came here on accident, we bumped
into each other. But your journey has led you this
trust that you have had in yourself, your confidence and
your knowingness. Like that actually means like you telling that
story about the pool, like it like thinking now about
(11:25):
our life full circle, It's like some people are just
meant to be in life together. Even though like you
and I don't hang out all the time and we're
like ten years apart, our lives have just followed a
similar path, you know, isn't that interesting the Lord and
I like attribute that to the Lord, like the wary
timing and like our journeys weaving in and out together
(11:47):
has just been like so evident because you could never
have planned it, no, but that also led you to
you trusting yourself to move to Nashville. And we're going
to get into this in the back half, but I
want to stay in the beginning part of your journey
for a minute. But now you're like writing with Laney
Wilson before she became Laney Wilson, y'all found your groove.
You wrote like tons of songs on her album, that
(12:08):
one album of the year, Bell Bottom Country. I mean,
you have like a new cut that comes out, like
I feel like almost every week there's like a new
song on an artist that you've written. And I'm like,
if that is not you and your purpose, following your truth,
following your alignment, doing the hard work that goes with it,
but doing the.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Work that you're supposed to do, you know, because you
can work hard, but if you're not working hard in
the wrong, if you're not working hard in your alignment
and what you're supposed to do, you're kind of just
wasting your time and your talents.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
You know. So you have identified from the very beginning
what you were called to do, and you've worked your
little booty off doing it, and you stayed the course
and you've trusted it, and now your life has become
so fruitful, and it's like I keep coming I've been
talking about God a lot lately, but it's like I
keep coming back to like the breeze. So it is
a good especially in this world everyone's looking for Like
(13:00):
everyone's so depressed, everyone's so angry, everyone's so lost. But
it's like, if you keep coming back to the truth
of God, the fruits of the spirit will bless your life,
like you are now being blessed fruitfully with in abundance,
Like your career is thriving. You have a marriage that's striving,
You're living in a community where you are truly yourself
and supported and loved and celebrated, and like you're living
(13:23):
your dream and all of this hard work and all
of these things that you did, the hard decisions you
made to stay true to your calling, they pay off.
And that's but you're following God's will for your life.
I'm really trying to. But that's I feel like that's
how you have true happiness, right I think so, I
think so, And like I don't know.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
I mean I'm still learning so much, Like I just
turned thirty one and looking back at all of it, like, yeah,
I've been so fortunate, like it hasn't all been easy.
It's of course not to be really patient and trust
the process and trust the Lord in it. But like, yeah,
I'm in a really great season of life right.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Now and you're in the harvest season.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
I don't take it for granted. And yeah, I don't know,
Like I think there probably is some correlation in like
I truly desire to please the Lord and then like
getting to enjoy my life. In that, I think there
is correlation. But also at the same time, it's like
(14:29):
I know some people. I know plenty of people that
I like want to please the Lord and really like
seek him and like are going through really really tough times,
And like, I think that's just life. So I don't
think it always.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
It takes away the pain of life, you know, Like
I think sometimes like that's how the diamond is refined,
you know. Like I know, for like me and Michael
personally speaking, we're coming out of like a really rough
three years. But it's like that was all a bigger
place because it chips away, it sheds the layers. It
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makes you deal with the the part of you that
like maybe wasn't serving you for your highest and best,
you know, or like teach you a lesson. It's I
don't think it's what it means. It's easy, you know,
because a lot of times, like if you look, even
like in stories in the Bible, like some of the
biggest believers have the worst things happen to them.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Absolutely, you know, so absolutely, And like that's that's why
I think, like there's so much truth that lies in
the Bible, because I don't think it like, yeah, if
you're walking with Jesus, that doesn't mean it's going to
be an easy walk.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
But when it is, enjoy it. When it is, enjoy it.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
And like I am in that moment of I'm not
not necessarily easy, but like I am living my dream
and I don't take it for granted. And you're in
the harvest season right now. You cloud the field, you
planted the seeds the rain.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yeah, you're like your dad ranching and now you're reaping
the fruits of your labor.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Yeah, So when you first moved to Nashville, you and
I bumped into each other, like what day three that
you were here? So how old are you, Carolyn?
Speaker 4 (16:09):
I twenty one, ten years ago, twenty two, about ten
years ago, yep, And I remember I mean, I'd only
lived in Nashville for three hours, not even three days.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
So that's divine timing, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
And I mean, how many restaurants are there in Nashville, Hundreds, hundreds, hundreds.
I went to the same one that you happened to
be at for dinner that first night I lived in Nashville,
and I saw you from across the restaurant.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Are you with your mom?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
No?
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Are you about yourself?
Speaker 1 (16:44):
No?
Speaker 4 (16:44):
I was out with the Decker family, and they're Bill
and Courtney Decker. They because you lived with a family
when I first came to family and that was probably nice. Yeah,
they were They're all Baylor people, so I knew their
daughter in college and that was like a great way
for me to settle in Nashville. But they took me
(17:07):
to Blue Moon in the Nations and you and Michael
and all of a thousand horses where they were eating
dinner and I saw you and I hadn't seen you
probably in like, I don't know, years, and so I
went up to you and I reminded you who I was.
I was like, hey, like, do you remember me? I
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was like the girl that wanted to tand with you
at the pool and anyway, you were just so sweet
to me. And I asked you to get coffee, because
that's what you do when you moved to Nashle he
asked everybody in their mom to get coffee and learn.
And you said yeah, and we got coffee. And you
have me start dog sitting for you.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Oh yes, okay, because Michael, at that time, they were
in the heat of touring. They were like out with
Jason a Dean Darius Rucker all the time. So were
you and we all the whis were going out NonStop,
and so had these two dogs. I don't know if
we get sugar yet, maybe just Ruby. You did have sugar.
I did have sugar, Okay, So I had sugars.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
A puppy, puppy.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Sugar who's the sweetest our little lab corky mix. And Ruby,
who's passed away. But she was my angel, little old
lady Chihuahua Chihuahua shit soup Pappy on chip palm. She's
a cheap pomp shit. She had some attitude. Attitude. Oh
my god.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
She would bite her tongue all the time.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
It would just like be hanging out of her mouth
a little sweet thing. She was one of those dogs.
It just like I've had I've been like to have
really great dogs.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
And so because these dogs were like my babies, I
was like, oh my gosh, well do you want to
dog sit?
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
And you're like okay, and then here comes Tranny, just
like getting a little window of an opportunity to dog sit.
You turned it into a whole freaking business because I
had all these.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
You do that, though I wouldn't plan it on that.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
I had all these friends who were artists and touring artists,
and they all had dogs and everyone needed a dog sitter. Yeah,
So you started like staying at like all these people's houses.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
I mean, well, you kept getting me so much business,
and all these artists were calling me, and I was hoping,
like somebody, I'm like, man, I should probably like say yes,
because first of all, I need money.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I was broke.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Secondly, like these are artists that like maybe someday I
can write songs for them, you know. And so and
that was like such an organic, like great way to
just kind of start to get to know the community,
you know, and like.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
You really get to know them intimately. You're in their houses,
take care of their animals. Yes, and you're important, very important.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
Yeah. So I went ahead and turned it into a business.
When you were sending me so much business, I was like, well,
I can't dog sit for you, Brett Eldridge, Brett Aldridge, because.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I'm already sitting for Hunter Hayes. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
So so like in my mind, I'm like, I'm going
to start losing business. And so I started hiring other
songwriters to work for my company, pop Stars, which I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Twenty one years old, twenty times old. This is incredible.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
And I was like, man, I gotta like keep this going,
and so like eventually, like a couple.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Of years Stars was born.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
A couple of years later, I had like fifteen people
in houses every night, and I was managing it.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Could you have ever imagined that?
Speaker 4 (20:27):
No, I never planned on that. But I always have
loved business too, and so that's it was like really
fun for me.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
And it's a business that like is putting you in
the right in the smack dad middle of the country
music industry spot exactly in such an interesting way. Like
that's what I love about God too. It's like you
could have never imagined that you'd get your foot in
the door through dog sitting.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
No, you know, no. And what was also so great
about that is like I was staying a musician houses,
so like there were pianos everywhere for me to like
spend a couple hours at, and like, I mean, dog
sitting is like easy. So it's like I get to
hang out with the dog and I need I get
to be in my own head and like enjoy playing
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this piano and then like make sure the dog is
eating and getting on his walk, and that's like about it,
you know.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
And then you're in the space of these musicians. So
that probably feels like just to be in that energy.
I know how that makes me feel when I'm like
in the presence of people that I admire and look
up to, Oh my gosh, you know, to be in
their space, You're like, it's like make stuff real.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
It felt attainable.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
It felt attainable, yes, and real because like you're seeing
their dirty laundry on the floor, You're seeing how they
eat their refrigerator literally their dirty laundry. Yeah, did y'all
eventually like end up offering stuff like more than dog sitting,
like cleaning, and I don't know it.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Yes, that was not me. I ended up selling the
company to a girl named Carly.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
How amazing that you had a company to sell?
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Yeah, it was really cool.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Was it bittersweet or were you right?
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Yeah? I was ready at that point, just because I
was already pretty deep into building my songwriting side of
things and I was getting pretty busy with that, and
so I think I sold it three years.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Ago and it was just the right timing because I mean,
look at how your career blew up. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Well, And what's so great though, is like that company
was just like a win win for everybody. Like it
blessed the artist that I was saying for, it blessed me,
It blessed my sitters, and now it's blessing Carly and
her family and like her career too. She's a songwriter too,
and so yeah, I mean that's just kind of like
the ideal is starting a company that you hope is
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a win win for everybody.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
But it's also just following that this. I was talking
to my sister yesterday about this, and we were like
reliving some of the miracles in our life, because I
feel like sometimes we forget in the midst of hasty
moments all of the miracles that have happened and all
the things that have just come into fruition that you
could have never dreamed of. For sure, Sorry guys, I
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got a little bit of a cough, But it's like
you could have never planned for that to happen. It
was a God thing, and so it blessed you and
a blessed everyone around because it was from God. And
it's it's hard sometimes to just trust that God's going
to guide you and provide. But when you are truly
walking in your knowing that you're doing what you're supposed
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to be doing, it always works out. Absolutely, it really does,
and it's.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Probably going to be in a way that you never
planned on. It's so definitely will be in a way
you done. It's also being really open minded to like
what God has for you in that way.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
And not trying to like box them in. Absolutely because
we all do it.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
We all box them in and then but we we
got to really work on staying open to what He
has for us.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
That is so true. How do you feel now that
you can blindly trust?
Speaker 4 (24:14):
I mean, I like still get scared and nervous all
the time, and like I've had to make some big
decisions recently, and like it was, you know, I was
very on the fence of like, oh my gosh, I
don't quite.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Know what's right.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
But I have had enough life experience now that like
I know that I know that voice that we were
talking about earlier on a deeper level, and I've seen
him come through in my life so many times that like,
based on all of that, I know I can trust him,
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and so I trust him a little more quickly and
easily now.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah, yeah, okay, So tell me how songwriting start happening.
Because you had all these songs you were writing, you
knew this is what you wanted to do. But once again,
moving to Nashville, it's a big town with a lot
of talented people. It's like it's a treasure map of
how to get in here, and it's like the map's
being written as you're living it. You know, there's no
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two ways. It doesn't happen the same for anybody, different
for everybody. It's different for everybody. You can watch I mean,
you don't even watch behind the scenes anymore. Like I
used to watch those MTV behind the scenes, Like how
did people do it? Making up the stars? And you
think you can just go do the same thing, but
like literally it is such a different path for everyone.
It's like everyone walks a new journey. So you knew
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you wanted to do this. Now your pups, You've created
a pup stars. You're in all these celebrities houses with
their dogs writing songs. It's feeling attainable. And you have
now a plethora of songs you've written. Were you writing
by yourself?
Speaker 4 (25:51):
I was building my network of co writers too in
Nashville at that time, and like the way you do
that when you there's hundreds of thousands of people, there
are songwriters in this town, and everybody starts at that
square one of like you just say yes to everything and.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
You go to like writers rounds and stuff, or how
did you meet me?
Speaker 4 (26:14):
By like writers' rounds? And then like kind of how
I initially started was the yup page. Do you remember
the yup page? Young Entertainment Professionals. It's an organization. And
I posted on the page on Facebook and and I
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just posted a song I wrote, and I said, Hey,
I'm new to town. I don't know any one. I'm
trying to like find co writes and friends, honestly, So like,
if you like my song and you want a friend too,
like just hit me up. And there were like probably
twenty five thirty comments on it, and I hung out
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with and wrote a song with every single person that
commented on it. And that's where I started. And like, honestly,
sometimes it was in your house while I was dog sitting.
I like my co writer came over and we loved
on the dogs and we wrote a song, and then
they left and then I took the dogs on walk.
So it's like I was doing all those things simultaneously
and like building my network. And then you know, after
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you have thirty co writes, maybe you want to write
with five of those people again. And then they maybe
they've been in town for a couple of years longer
than you, and they've already kind of like whittled down
their network a little bit more. So then you start
meeting their friends and you write a song with their friends,
and then suddenly it like you can keep your books
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pretty full. And so that's what started happening for me.
And then like you kind of keep working your way
up that creative ladder if you're ready to keep doing that,
and you get the opportunity to write with someone who
has a publishing deal because that's what I.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Wanted to do.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Initially was like okay, like to get my songs to
the right people, I'm going to need a publishing deal
probably okay, And so that was published.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Up is where it's like right now, we're in Sony
right now because you write with Sony and it's where
they take a percentage of your song. But then they
hook you up with all the writers. They have a
song plugger who pitches all your songs. They network. It's
just so many things happen when you have a publishing deal.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
They have a lot of artists signed. They know everyone
in town. So it's like you know, when you're coming
up and you like don't know anyone. You don't know
what you're doing yet. Like I'm a publishing deal. It
sounds really good. And I have to say, eight years
into town too, it's I'm so glad I have a
publishing deal.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
So when did you get a publishing deal.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
A year and a half into living in Nashville and.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Only a year and a half. You're not one that.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Fast, yeah, and that's but I've been writing for years
and like building my cattle and like thanks to you
and Jennifer Wayne, I like y'all were just putting me
in like a good position to like take meetings and
like get my foot in the door because you saw
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me and like you cared about me and genuinely do
you really had no reason to, Like I like, I
could give you nothing, and you chose you and Jennifer
chose to see me and love me, even like when
I couldn't really do much in return for you other
than like pick up your dog's poop. That's about all
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I could do at that point.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
I've had people do that for me too, and I
saw but I've always seen the spark in you. You know,
it's like so sweet, you've had a spark, and it's
you'll do this if you haven't already done this for someone,
Like someone will come in your path that you just
see and believe in and have a connection with, and
it's absolutely it's awesome, you know, And like now I
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see you where you are and I'm like, oh my god,
Like you are so amazing, You're so blossomed, you're so
like realized, you've realized, you fully realized your dream. Of course,
you have so much more to achieve in this life.
But like it is so incredible to see what you've
done with your life and your drive and your hustle
and the opportunities that you've been given, how you've made
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them into something so fantastical. It's it's inspiring. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Well, it's I mean what really helped me was like
looking up to women like you and like other female
songwriters in town two that like gave me the time
of day and let me learn and like following their footsteps,
and so yeah, I want to do that for other
people too. But it makes like kindness inspires kindness, you
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know what I mean it does, so like that's how
I feel, is like your kindness and other people's kindness
to me in town has inspired me to be kind
to other people in the same way. So I think
like it's a chain reaction, you know.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Okay, so a year and a half then you get
a publishing deal that was from a leading gen set
you up with. Yeah that's amazing.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Yeah, and I mean at this little company that what
was the company? It was called catch this Music?
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Okay, and it is that rush.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
That was this music oh okay, very similar name. It
did not survive though, but still you got a publishing deal.
I got a publishing deal. I was there for like
a year and a half. And what was so great
is it started getting my foot in the door of
that circle of signed writers, like the people who were
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really really doing it and really really good, and like
who have now become my class of songwriters that are
all starting to have our first number ones together and
our first big successes together. And I don't think the
rest of it wouldn't have played out the way it
has if I hadn't gotten that first really crappy publishing deal.
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And like, man, I was, I'm so thankful for it.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yes, Okay, So then when did you hook up with
Laney Wilson? Because she was she had nothing going on either, right,
just a dreamer. And I love what she said. She
said something and she's like, I feel like I've loved
country music for a long time and it's finally just
starting to love me back. And I'm like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Yes, that's so sweet. That's a good thing too, because
I don't think I've ever told you this story. It's weird,
but there was one guy from our hometown. Did you
make it?
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Did you ever know Stephen? Oh my gosh, why am
I forgetting his last name right now.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
It's hard to remember people. I literally have a memory
of Goldfish. I can't remember anything. Oh my gosh, Steven,
he's awesome Stephen. And he.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Was friends with Laney when he was living here. He
he was writing songs here for four years. He did
that after he graduated from Midway.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
And a high school in Waco, Texas.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Yes, and he chose to move to Nashville instead of
go to college. And he became friends with Laney during
that time. And then he decided songwriting like wasn't for him,
and so he moved back to Waco the week before
I moved to Nashville. And in that time, that one
week and that one wee intercepted. We got a drink
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at Dichotomy.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Because you knew y'all knew each other existed, and he
was leaving Nashville and you're going you are literally like
passing ships in the night.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Yes, And I wanted his advice.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
And he's so good at asking people for advice. That's
another key thing, because I feel like an idiot and
I needed they all are, you know, I mean, everyone's
an idiot until you figure it out.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Well, absolutely, And so I take advice as much as
I possibly can. But we got a drink and he
was just kind of letting me know what Nashi was like.
And he he said, you know, I have this feeling
that like you and this girl named Laney Wilson would
be really good friends. And he gave me Laney's number
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and he said, when you you hadn't moved here yet. No,
this was before you moved. This was the week before
I moved to Nashville. And he said, you just call
her when you get there. I feel like y'all would
really enjoy like hanging out. And so I called her,
or I texted her and I was like, after I
moved to Nashville and we got coffee at prothee Monkey Stop.
(34:34):
Like pretty soon after I moved to Nashville and became
friends started writing together.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Stop.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
So like I've got in divine intervention.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
I don't know what it is, you know, So everyone listening,
I just want to take a moment to like reflect
on this because I love a God story and everyone
has his ability to have a God story if you
let God in and like looking back at your story,
like even like how we met, all the little tiny
pieces that came into your like all the things that
have happened you dogs it and getting you in people's
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houses that you admired and wanted to you know, have
careers like and then you're meeting Landy. It's like, we
can try as hard as we can to force something
to happen. But if you're not in alignment, and if
you're not listening to God's calling an instruction that you
can feel in your soul, and to me, it feels
like when you go against God's calling, it feels like resistance.
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It feels like anxiety, it feels like stress, It feels
like a lot of times darkness, you.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Know, and it doesn't let up either.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Yes, and you never get out of it if you
make a decision and you have anxiety about it or
remorse about it or guilt about it, like that's not
from God. But whenever you are just in the flow
of following God and trusting God, these things happen like
you could have never planned for that, you could have
never been Like, I'm gonna get in with Landy Wilson
right now because she's gonna be really famous. She's just
gonna be on the top of the charts, and like
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you know, I'm a scheme. Yes, yes, And you did
it for the love of your passion and your calling,
and she was doing it for the same thing. And
God brought y'all together and you were able to make
real music from a real place, not trying to like
chase a chart position like you guys were just both
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struggling trying to get in there. And it's amazing and
that makes the story so good, you know, because it's divine.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Yeah, I'm gonna add one more thing to what you
said to like absolutely, it's like going, it's going with
like where you feel aligned. And I also think it's
like just saying yes all the time all the time,
because especially in the beginning, like you don't.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Know where any of those doors lead to.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
And I saw this quote yesterday and I hope I
get it right, but it was like really interesting. It
was like, if God gives you a shovel, you don't
pray for a hole. Like, if God gives you shovel.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Dig dig, yeah, dig dig the hole, he hadn't gonna
do it for you. I gave me a damn shovel.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
I love that, you know, And so that's what I've
always tried to do.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
And you dig. Anytime you get any kind of tool
from God, you go all in.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
I dig and tell the hole says, this is not
your hole.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Like we've maxed out the hole is, don't dig another
one exactly. Yeah, And I feel like it's very I
can tell now when it's done, when you run your
course of something. Yeah, can you feel that now absolutely?
What does that feel like to you?
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Well, I think it's like just kind of similar to
how you know you should start something. You just have
a gut feeling that like okay, like I think I
should start digging, and when you're when you're supposed to
move on to something else, like that was pop Stars
(37:47):
for me, you start getting or rumbling. Yeah, I just
like had this gut feeling of like, okay, training, you
need to Mostly it was like you need to make
space for something else.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
You could feel like because we're in the height of
something and it's like rocking and you're in the middle
of digging that hole and you know that's where you're
supposed to be, Like you're not looking anywhere up like
left or right. You're like, okay, I'm here. But then
once you start getting to the end of it, it's
like Okay, Okay, I think I know what you mean.
It's like we're kind of getting towards a transition. A
transition is coming.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
You only have so much space in your life and
in your mind, and when you feel like, you know,
for an extended period of time, if you feel like
you're being suffocated and like you need to make room
for something new, you have to purge some things. And
I would be careful with that, Like I think if
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you have a couple of weeks that feel like that,
put your foot on the brake. Like if it's months
of that, God's telling you something.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
And then how do you figure out what to purge?
Like how did you know it's time to let PEP
Stars go? Because this was your bread and butter.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
I've always had a vision for like where I want
to be and who I want to be, and like
for me, pop Stars didn't align with like where I
would where I vision going. Yeah, for the forever vision
you'd aligned for a long time, and I'm so proud
of that business and like you really helped me build
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that business, and but it felt right for it to
go to someone else.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Who was ready to dig, who.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Was ready to dig That's right?
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Oh, I love that. Was it hard to let it
go or were you like so knowing that it was time?
It wasn't.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
It wasn't like it it was because it had been
a part of my life for so long. But I,
like I said, I wanted to make space for something else.
And as soon as that space opened up for me,
I like had this uh just rush of joy that
I got to like fill that space with more time
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for song ideas or like just some other dreams. I
was able to start dreaming again.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Okay, So then tell me when did it all start happening,
because you get tell me about when you got your
next publishing deal.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
So is that was that Sony. Have you been here
for a while now, Yeah, I've been here for five
and a half years.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
So after catch This you came to Sony, Yes, And
which is huge, by the way, I mean, there are
so few songwriters who are getting paid to be professional songwriters,
like with publishing deals such a blessing. So the fact
that you're at Sony, like one of the biggest in
the world, I mean that's huge. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
Yeah, yeah, that was like just being at a little
company for like I said, a year and a half
just kind of put me on the map on music
Row enough that other publishers were paying attention to me now.
And so when that company closed shop, Sony called me
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pretty immediately.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
They called you. Yeah. Wow, And it also doesn't happen.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
I know, And I was very fortunate to get you don't.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Have any cuts or anything, and they called you, huh.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
I had a couple independent cuts. That's really yet it
was we're all talent, baby, I guess I don't know.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Well they called you with nothing really going on. They
just saw the raw talent. I guess another god thing
because people my work ethic that people will cut off
their right arm to get a deal here. Yeah, yeah
with cuts, yeah, yeah, that's huge. Yes, And Katie kirkover
signed me over here and yeah, and I had a
couple offers too, because like I feel like once you get.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
One or two offers and suddenly you have five, you.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Know, all the sharks come. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
And so that happened, and that I was able to
get a co publishing deal too.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
So you keep a lot of your publishing. I own
half of my publishing. Yeah, you had no cuts. You
were a brand new writer. Yes, Sony came after you,
and you get to keep half of your publishing. Most
people have to give away one hundred percent of their publishing.
Ye tell me, God's not all over.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
That well, And like I will say this, I'll add
this part to the story. Like that deal that I
had for a year and a half was a full
publishing deal. So they had all your they had all
my publishing. I was getting paid like nothing.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
And that's the thing with young artists and writers will
give away their entire songs, which is what happens when
you sign a publishing deal, Like you make money off
of the song, how many times it gets played all that,
and so like if you give away all of your publishing,
you don't make any more money on that song. Ever. Again, no,
you only get the draw that they give you, which
most of the time is nothing. It's anywhere from like
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could be like one thousand to three thousand dollars. It's
like not even liveable. You give away your child basically. Yeah,
so it's kind of terrible. The reason the reason I
say this is because I learned something from this. Like
to me, getting that publishing deal was such a huge win.
In hindsight, I'm like, oh wow, they were scremming me
over and I didn't know, but you needed that next
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step so badly it was worth it.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
Yes, And so I would have been there probably for
four years.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
If they hadn't closed.
Speaker 4 (42:48):
And they closed a year in to my deal, and
then like and for me, like when that happened, I
was like, oh my gosh, this is like horrible, this
is like the end of it. You know, I'm gonna
have to start over. Well, a much better door open
for me, like very immediately after that, and I signed
the deal of my Dreams pretty much. So it's like
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and you keep half of your publishing, yes. And so
I tell that story to say, if you're going through
something that like seems like the end of your world,
like it might it might end up being the best
thing that's ever happened to you, just like hold tight
and like trust that something good is coming, because I've
experienced that. That's like one example of that in my life.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
And I think that happens sometimes is like door slamming
shut that you feel like were the door that was
gonna be the door that led you to all your opportunity, Yes,
and you would have never closed it. And so if
you've I always go back to this, if you've done
everything that you can do. If you're doing everything that
you can do and something like falls apart, it's supposed
to fall apart, Yes it is. And like back to
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like God, people, God not making it easy like a
lot of times, to get on the path we're supposed
to go, Like the endings can be painful, can be messy,
they can hurt, but if you keep trusting and.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
Following, there's a reason. Look at you now.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Now you're at Sony with half your publishing. Yeah that's huge.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
Yeah, I mean but I didn't see any of that coming.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
You couldn't even dreamed it up. No, that's why you
have to have this deep blinding trust, which is so
hard to do. Yeah, and even if you don't have
the trust because it's too big to believe that it
could work out, you just have to keep following the
next step.
Speaker 4 (44:23):
Right absolutely, And like to further answer your question of
like okay, like you're at Sony and like now all
these things are happening, like what that's looked like? It's
Sony For me has just been like keeping my head
down and writing a song, like we were talking about farming earlier,
Like keeping my head down and planning a seed every
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day and every rite, and like treating it like it's
going to be song of the year every day. You
don't ever dial it in.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
No, Yeah, I think that's the key, Like showing up
with your full heart every time.
Speaker 4 (45:02):
Yes, And like I'm having to like kind of uh,
maybe chill out occasionally now a little bit, because like
trying to write the song of the year every single
day is exhausting, but you're showing up in every room
bringing all I take it seriously. I take it seriously,
and I'm thankful for every opportunity I get.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Can you believe every song could be something great? Yes?
Speaker 4 (45:24):
And so whoever I'm writing with that day, I'm going
to give you one hundred and ten percent of me.
And I did that every day for five in the
last five and a half years at Sony. And like
what that turns into That doesn't like always turn into
a hit.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
Song, but like turn into life.
Speaker 4 (45:43):
But like you well, it's like, yeah, like that turned
into some cuts, and like I think like it's also
just in those moments like looking at the big dog
Riders that you want to be like someday going okay,
like I need to this cut that I just got
on this independent artist, or this cut that I just
got on this artist in their first record deal at Sony,
(46:04):
that like it's probably not going to radio whatever, Like
I'm probably not gonna make money.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Well guess what?
Speaker 4 (46:09):
Like those all stack up on top of each other,
and like, just get the cut and write this song
in an honest way, Like if it's good enough, it
will resonate in a way that's bigger than you ever dreamed.
And I've experienced that in my career so far.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
So you don't go into a writing session being like, ugh,
this is a no name artist, I'm having a bad day.
I'm just gonna kind of sit here and throw out
some lyrics, try to wrap this song up as fast
as I can and then bye. Like you don't do that.
Speaker 4 (46:41):
I mean occasionally I feel that way because I'm a human.
But you know what I do is like I remind
myself how many people in this town want to be
in this room today writing this song, and I am
thankful that I get to fill those shoes. And so
I pray for my attitude, I pray for my creativity,
(47:06):
I pray for my co writers every day and that
after you do that, it's kind of hard to be
in a funky mood, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (47:14):
You know, Yes, I was also talking to my sister
about this too. It's like following these principles of God,
like praying to God, giving thanks to God, yes, you know,
being grateful. These aren't things to punish up us or
to keep us in submission to God or whatever. It's
to give us joy and freedom in this life. Yes,
because when you change your mindset to that, all of
(47:37):
a sudden, now you're having a great day. Now you're
feeling blessed. Now you're feeling grateful. Whatever human stresses you
had before, now you're like, Okay, let me get divinely
centered here and like refocus on what is really going
on here, the bigger picture. But you have to remember
you have to take the time for it, you have
to prioritize it.
Speaker 4 (47:56):
And you have to need it, you know, like for me,
prayer and spending time with God. Like when it when
it feels like my check off my to do list,
I don't. I don't get that joy in that peace
and like the benefits of walking with God. But when
it's my daily bread and I'm hungry for it every day,
(48:18):
like my soul needs it. That's when I get joy
and peace and im and I'm truly walking with God.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
I love that. Okay, So flash forward, you wrote about
half of Landy Wilson's album or I don't even know
wal Bottom Country. There are tons of songs on that
I did. You wrote Heart Like a Truck? Yeah, that
one's number one? Which other ones?
Speaker 4 (48:44):
Did?
Speaker 2 (48:44):
Y'all have other number ones together? Stay tuned? Okay?
Speaker 4 (48:51):
When is this coming out.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
In a probably in a few weeks.
Speaker 4 (48:55):
Okay, then I can say this like it's gonna come
out after November thirteenth. Yeah, okay, I have her next
single and it's called Wildflowers and Old Horses, and.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
That's just so cool, so cool.
Speaker 4 (49:13):
We'd like actually, me and Lanny wrote those two songs
back to back, rights with heartle Like Truck, which is
just wild to me. Yeah, we wrote those. We wrote
those songs like just a couple weeks apart from each other.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
Had she popped off yet?
Speaker 4 (49:29):
No?
Speaker 2 (49:30):
So what was it like in those writing rooms when
y'all both were just dreamers with like, now she's like
the hottest thing in country music, if not like more
like she's all over the place. Now, what was it energy?
Because now she's a star and you're a hit songwriter. Yeah,
but like then you both were not y'all just had
dreams in your heart. What was the energy like in
the room.
Speaker 4 (49:49):
Yeah, I mean I knew something good was happening for her.
You could see it. I mean, it's like blown my mind,
and like far far exceeded her expectations. I rank, but
like I'm not going to speak for her on that,
but like I don't know how you can't see what's
what's happening. You don't you can't see that? Yeah, but
(50:14):
things A man I want to know was at radio
at that time when we wrote those songs and it
was working and things were starting to happen, and so
like I did go into that room going like, wow,
her artistry is coming together. I see it. I see it,
and I can do that, Like I want to say
(50:35):
what she's saying.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
You had that y'all wanted to speak the same song.
Speaker 4 (50:39):
Yes, Lainey and I look at life through a very
similar lens.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
What is that lens?
Speaker 4 (50:46):
She loves God very much and so like everything is
always bigger than her in her life and like me too,
and so we like really see eye to eye on
that and like the importance of our families, and like
the importance of being grateful for where we come from,
(51:06):
and like our journeys, and like working hard, and like
just all all the things that kind of like make
a person tick. We we feel very similarly, and I
think that that's why we want to tell stories a
similar way, and so like and I didn't we didn't
really know that until we wrote Heart Like a Truck.
(51:28):
Like we had been writing songs together in the past,
and like I had a song called middle Finger on
her EP that was her first label release at BBR.
But like man stumping just happened the day we wrote
Hart like a Truck.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
You could feel it, Yes, what did it feel like?
Speaker 4 (51:53):
Alignment to use your words, like it just it was
just like this is supposed to this is where we're
supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
It all felt right, this is what we're supposed.
Speaker 4 (52:02):
To be doing. And since then, like that's just helped
me surrender to God even more too, like especially my creativity.
Like just yeah, anytime I'm I have the opportunity to
write with her, I just fully surrender that time. And
(52:23):
I'm like, God, whatever you want us to say, Like
you you be our co writer in that room, and
I know she's doing the same thing. And often we're
writing with Dallas Wilson, who's one of our best best friends, and.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
J'll have like a little trio, yes, called the Heart Wranglers.
I mean you, Lady Wilson and Dallas what's his.
Speaker 4 (52:41):
Name, Dallas Wilson.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
Oh, but they're not related, they're not related. I mean,
how cool you're in a trio with a writing trio.
It's so cool.
Speaker 4 (52:50):
And and like Dallas also is like aligns with the
same way we see wife in like our and like
why we're here.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
And it's a bigger thing, absolutely, Like she's a star
on stage singing. You guys are right there writing the songs,
pouring your heart out. But it's not for your own ego. Yes,
you can enjoy it. You can enjoy it if I
re enjoy it it, but it's for a bigger picture.
Speaker 4 (53:16):
Absolutely absolutely. And so anyway, anytime we're together writing songs,
like we pray before we ask the Lord to like
speak through us and he does, Praise God, he does.
Speaker 3 (53:32):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
Yeah, that is so cool, Tranny. I mean, I am
just to hear your story. I am so proud of you. Well,
thank you.
Speaker 4 (53:43):
We're both just trucking along here, but like I am
just so to see you and to know you from
that little girl at the pool, you know, just sitting
up beside me to now you are one of the
co writers on album of the Year with Lady Wilson.
Your dreams have come true. You are truly walking in
(54:06):
your purpose.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
You are this incredible, beautiful, amazing, talented, godly woman and
you are living your dreams. What does it feel like
because you used to just be dreaming of this day
and now the day is here. What does it feel
like to have your dreams come true?
Speaker 4 (54:26):
I mean, I catch myself crying about it often often,
but in a weird way. It just it just feels
like I'm right where I.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
Need to be. It was supposed to be this way.
Speaker 4 (54:39):
It was supposed to be this way, And like, I
don't know what that looks like over the next decades
of my life. I hope I get decades, so it'd
be great.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
I don't know what it looks like.
Speaker 4 (54:52):
But at this point in time, like I just so
deeply sense the Lord like sitting next to me and
like walking with me, and that's like what I want
more than anything else. So like at some point ten
years down the line, if God is like, Okay, Tony,
we're gonna go over here and do this instead. Like, man,
I'm going to listen to that because I have seen
(55:14):
what that does in someone's life, like just following the
calling yes and yeah, so and you know, like he's
calling me to write with other artists too, and like
so I'm really enjoying that too, like telling a lot
of other artists stories and and you know, we'll see
(55:35):
what else pops off. But I'm like just having so
much fun right now, Like I just am having fun, Caroline.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
You know, I'm so happy for you, Like it stills
my heart with just overwhelming joy just to see you.
You're just thriving, You're in full bloom. You really are
full bloom. I'm so proud of you. And I always
wrap up with leave your light, yeah and super open ended.
But what do you want people to know?
Speaker 4 (56:05):
Man? I feel like we've covered so much of what
I think we both want people to know. I think
I'm going to kind of like elaborate on what I
was just saying with fun too. I feel like we've
talked about some serious things and like I think like
(56:25):
we all should take life very seriously. We only get
one of them. But in that I think, like to
stay healthy and stay balanced, you also just need to
have fun and you need to like not take when
you find yourself taking yourself too seriously, like I don't know,
(56:48):
like go do something weird and like have some fun
and like just kind of like lighten up, light lighten up,
and like let your inner child come out again and
like remember what you came from, who you are and
laugh every day. That's my that's my advice is like
find something to laugh about, like belly laugh about every day.
Speaker 2 (57:11):
Oh that's good. That is good. Tranny Anderson, thank you
so much. I am so proud of you. I'm so
happy to have you on this podcast. And this is
just extra special just our journey, like truly, I mean
we've had like twenty plus years of just walking this
path and I'm so proud of you.
Speaker 4 (57:31):
You've been an integral piece, like for real.
Speaker 2 (57:33):
Well you are and me too. I Mean we've been
in each other's lives for a reason, and I'm just
it just makes me. You don't even know how much
pride I have for you and how happy I am for.
Speaker 4 (57:42):
You same because I've watched you chase down your dreams
for years and years and years, and looked up to
you for years and years, and I still do.
Speaker 2 (57:51):
I still look up to you. It's mutual, mutual.
Speaker 4 (57:55):
I love you.
Speaker 2 (57:56):
I love you too. Thank you so much for coming on.
Thanks Caro
Host
Caroline Hobby
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