TYLER BISHOP & PAIGE HIGGINS: Celebrity hair stylist and makeup artist share their journeys and how they landed Savannah Chrisley as a client!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, Hi Caroline. She's a queen of talking. If you mind,
She's getting really not afraid to feel. It's so so
just let it flow. No one can do with quiet Carol.

(00:25):
Is time for Caroline. I just got nervous and I
was like, okay, so that's page chickens. Is that is
that something you up in the beginning? Yeah, it's the
first time and the hundred times. Yes, that's it. Are
you a little giggle box? Am she is? I love

(00:45):
that about you. I don't know, like and then yeah,
I just don't say the wrong thing. You're being recorded.
Everyone's gonna hear it. Page Kenny was like, make sure
you don't say um and like too much. I'm like great, um,
Like what do you mean? You will? Can use your fiancee? Yes,
he's super cute. Are beautiful power couple. Paige Higgins is

(01:07):
celebrity makeup artists. She did my makeup and my husband's
makeup for this Brient would like Styles magazine cover shoot.
That was so much fun and she did the makeup.
She made me feel like a queen and helped me
just feel connected to myself. That was an amazing shoot,

(01:27):
it really was. And Tyler sitting next to her. Hi, Hello,
did my hair? He created all these hair styles. He
made me feel like myself. He made me feel also
like a queen because he like gave me these hair
dues that were just feeling. They just were fun. They
were fun. You gave me like a ponytail out of
my hair. We did some fun clips and I got

(01:49):
you out of your box, got me out of my box.
And so today we have so much chalk about. So
here's in this article the Brent with lifestaw magazine. There's
an article called the dream Team featuring Kirby, who's the
stylist who has been on before Credible Silence off of
Human which actually connected all of us, which connected all
of us. Kirby, Yeah, she's she's the o G. She

(02:12):
and I have been friends and then she's helped me
like totally changed my wardrobe. If y'all need a wardrobe
stylist to come over and go through your wardrobe and
like tell you this isn't working. This is your style here,
let's put close together. Let's put like different looks together
that are you. She gets to know you like she

(02:33):
this is all part of like for me, these people
I'm bringing in my life right now are all a
part of for me personally to find my true self.
Like I'm gravitating towards people who have talents and gifts
who can help me find my talents and gifts and
we can all like express them, to express them together
together and it works together. So like by me being

(02:54):
with you guys finding my self, it's also using your
talents allowing you guys to find yourself. It's like this beautiful,
harmonious relationship. I just love my job. Isn't that amazing? Okay,
so there's a article about the dream Team. About this article,
I want to kind of read it to you, guys.
I don't normally read like bios, but these bios are
so good and they're so real, and like I was

(03:16):
reading them and I just smiling because I was reading them,
Like what awesome people, and like what amazing journey job
had to follow your dreams and have this My intern
he is here Ali Lamarca calling her out. She's a
four like me on the Instagram, so we're very similar. Um,
but I have just been and I'm just like in

(03:38):
awe of you guys following your soul, getting out of
your comfort zone. That's what I've been talking with Ali
about like for myself and like as fours and just
like on the Instagram, everyone look it up. But like,
you guys are not fours. You are to a helper,
Tyler's helper. You are apprently a one you get it
done me. But y'all both took giant leaps to follow

(04:04):
your calling to find your purpose, which is how I'm
rebranding this whole podcast, because you guys have been with
me on the journey from the hyper Caroline Hoby days
when I started this back in like two thousand thirteen.
Like I've been doing this podcast forever, and it has
evolved and evolved and evolved, and now I feel like
that and it will continue to evolve and to evolve.

(04:27):
It is about finding your purpose. That is who I
like to talk to. That is what I like to
talk about. I like to talk to people who have
taken that giant leap to follow the calling in their heart,
because we all have it. Some of us are too
scared to listen to it because it is terrifying to
listen to it, especially if your life is not already
set up to follow your calling, which most of us aren't.

(04:51):
You aren't born into financial financial a situation that gives
you the money to follow. You don't have the opportunities
from your parents, or you don't have or atmosphere that
you're in, the atmosphere or the culture that you're living
in isn't like supportive of it. And so, but you
have this calling inside of you and it's like you
live in this tiny town and you want to be

(05:12):
a famous stylist for celebrities and a makeup artist in hairstyles.
It's like, okay, well, no one, you don't know anyone
that test that you know, how do you even know
how to start with that? But you guys are that
and so I want to read your bias, okay, okay.
Paige Higgins born in Ohio, Page story time Everyone Page
always had an interest in makeup growing up. She originally

(05:34):
went to college at Ohio University to become a science teacher.
You love science. I love mostly biology, And I can
totally see being a teacher. Like what do you love
about biology? I just like I was the one like
student in class where she was like showing us like
little tiny microscopic like living things and they were like
moving around, and I was just like that is so

(05:56):
cute and adorable. You just love life like I just
love life. I just love the process of life. I
just love life everything creation. Yes, yes, it all goes
with makeup, so that actually ties. That makes sense to
me that when I read science teacher, I'm like, what
a specific type of teacher? Oh my god. It's because
you love creation and you love things starting and growing
and evolving, which also goes hand in here with makeup.

(06:17):
It makes sense. Yeah, and with your science background, you know,
I could totally see you doing later on what makeup line?
Makeup that's for sure going to happen. Oh for sure.
Stay tuned. Okay, can't wait for me that page chickens
makeup line coming soon? Um. Okay, you wanted to be
a science teacher, but it discovered it wasn't the right
fit for her. She upon graduating oh U in two

(06:40):
thous fourteen, page went directly into cosmic cos cosma, cosmetology,
cosmology school. Cosmology school. Okay, you studied for that while
in school. You work part time local salon. So here's
where it started. You You've you made the jump right there.
You were growing up, you said I want to be
a science teacher because that sounds like something I can

(07:00):
figure out and that I know. But then you get
into You're like, that's not what I want. I'm feeling
this calling. That's where the calling starts. Everyone you start
feeling it, and here you go. You go, Okay, I'm
jumping ship. I'm going to go for this. And so
here you go. Now you leave your your plans to
be a science teacher, and you go to you get
your cosmic cosmetology license, and then and here we go.

(07:23):
Now you're doing weddings, fashion shows, photo shoots, charity events,
whatever you could to get your craft going. While and
you're working at the salon. While on the salon, you
applied to mac you had a part time position opened
up in Columbus. You took the job, and you worked tirelessly,
commuting in between jobs which were an hour and a
half an hour and a half apart from each other.
So and here's what you said, I'm not afraid of
hard work and making sacrifices. I embraced them. I know

(07:45):
it's molding me into the artist I want to be,
in the person I want to become. A mean wisdom
that was that was a crazy time because I literally
was like managing a new salon location. I would work
at Mac and Columbus. I would drive an hour and
a half to open the max door and then work
until two pm it was like six I don't know,

(08:07):
and then I would drive an hour and a half
back to Dayton, Ohio and close the law. Did that
so you knew this is what you wanted to do.
And I feel like that is the huge difference. When
you are working really hard and spending a lot of hours,
like working tiredly, like you are spending a lot of
hours on a career, But when you know it's in

(08:29):
line with your calling, and when you know it is
moving you forward to your purpose on why you came
for this earth, then the work is fulfilling. Yes, right, yes,
even though it's a ship ton and in your head
you're like, I'm not going to do this forever, like
I'm not going to grind it like this in this
way forever. But at that time, you know that is

(08:51):
the step you need to be taking because it's getting
you on the path to your calling. You're listening, you're answering,
you're taking the opportunities. That is how it starts. That
is how it starts. Okay, Okay, then she says one
of my favorite quotes, hard work beats talent when talent
doesn't work hard. That is so true, I mean true, right, Yes,

(09:13):
you can be the talented person on the most talented
person on Earth. And if you're not like putting in
the effort and the energy and really like working towards
something and using it, it's just you're not gonna go anywhere, right,
like like cool, amazing. If you have you have an
amazing gift. God gave you a gift, which she gave

(09:33):
everyone a gift, and I want everyone to know that
listening like he did not just give some people a gift.
Everyone you're on if you have a policy of a
purpose on this planet, Oh you have a pulse, you
have a purpose? Right, yes, so yes, I love that
quote for that the whole reason. Yes, some people are
just so fright of hard work. I'm like, no, it's

(09:54):
so rewarding. Or they want what you what you're doing.
They want to get there, but they don't understand the
hard road that you that you took or had to
go down to get to where you are now. They
just want the end results and so much of that
hard road that you had to go down is your
personal circumstances to like someone look at this flashy Instagram

(10:17):
person who has this beautiful life and all these things
worked out in great hair, great makeup, great close, great friends,
working with celebrities, being a celebrity doing the stuff, and
you're like, oh my gosh, that person, I'm so envious
of that person. I'm so jealous of that person. They
don't have any hardship. If you're watched Incanto, by the way,
that's teaching a lot of lessons. And the sister who
makes the flowers, like she lived this perfect life and

(10:39):
everyone was like, do you live this perfect? You have
your problems, But she had all these problems but no
one knew them because it just seemed perfect. And so
that's how I feel like people judge the people are
starting to get more real, because I feel like we're
all layers are coming off, especially like in this awakening
that we're all in right now. Yes, so I feel
like after there's just been like a trajectory change of

(11:00):
like so much more like realness and rawness. And because
we're realizing we're not in control and stop trying to
fake it right, you know, it doesn't have to be perfect.
It doesn't have to be perfect, but it needs to
be authentic to who you are. If you really, really,
really really want to have success in this world, you
have to tap in to who yourself came here to beat.

(11:21):
Everybody can be relatable instead of like, I feel like,
before everybody like hit a lot of things and people
wanted to like kind of only show what was the
highlights and the pedestal part of their life. And so
now like taking that like third wall down to like
show I feel like it makes everybody so much more
relatable because then you can look at that and say like, oh,
I went through that, or my brother went through that,

(11:42):
or my mom went through that, and then and then
actually ship it makes you a person on how you
got through it, and like share tips or they may
share with you. Right that, don't opens dialogue. Don't be
scared to share your journey because you could be going
through a really really painful season in your life that
like wrecked you. But then all of a sudden, because
someone else who went through that was willing to share it,

(12:04):
you now don't feel alone and so then sharing their
story can help you. So then that's why when you
get to a point when you're ready to share. I
do think it is important to share our stories, all
of them, like the parts that broke us, the parts
that healed us, the parts that made a stream, because
that all of it. Like you said, we all only
used to just want to show the good stuff, but
now we want to show it all because that's what
makes a full person, and that's how we all relate

(12:27):
to each other and realize we're not alive. I love that. Okay,
so you can be born at the gift, but here
we're back to pages by it. You can be born
at the gift, but if you're not working hard, taking risk,
making sacrifices, failing, whinning, learning, growing, evolving, then it's a
gift gone to waste. To me, the experiences of the
ups and downs and pursuing your dreams make makes life

(12:47):
so beautiful and the job's so rewarding. After two years
of working with Matt Cosmetics, she took a leap of faith,
moved her life to Nashville in two thousand seventeen, and
retail didn't allow her any free time for freelance, so
she left the cosmetic giant and easy salary. Okay, here's
another jump. You guys, this is it. You like, when
you you left the cosmetic giant of Mac that you're

(13:10):
getting paid, you had had it going on. I know
I had to check coming in the mail. You know,
you had to check you were doing what you were
loving makeup, but it wasn't. Had you had served your
purpose there, you had learned what you needed to learn there,
and so here you go. Okay, you feel it inside
of you. And that's what I'm talking about too. How
do you know when it's time to jump? Because I

(13:31):
believe that there is a season of your life where
you need to stay in these jobs that aren't your
job because you need to learn. You need to get
that experience. You need to get opportunities, You need to
learn from people who are better than you. You need
to be in school, you know, learning. So it's like,
how do you know when it's now time? Okay, I'm
gonna leave Mac. I've gotten what I need to get here.

(13:53):
I'm gonna leave this salary because now I'm going to
work with celebrity clients and I don't know any celebrity
or how to do this or how to get into it.
I'm going to quit my job to go be a celebrity.
I was, I needed to free up that time so
I can focus my energy on what I wanted. Because
how I knew I was ready to leave MAC was

(14:14):
I was going to work and I was like, I
feel like I'm trapped in here. I feel like I'm
missing out on life in the world, and there's so
many people out there that I'm just like stuck in
this moll and I was closing it on. It was
closing on me, and I wasn't fulfilling to me, and
I was going to work and I just did not
enjoy anymore. And you're feeling resistance. Resistance, yes to get out,
and everyone pay attention to that. When you feel resistance,

(14:38):
that is your higher self talking to you. That is
your purpose talking to you. You want to feel a
nice flow in your life, even though there's gonna be
lots of like downs and like there's gonna be lots
of like things that are going to be testing you
and trying you. That's different than the resistance that you're feeling.
That when you know you're in the wrong spot. And
probably you didn't feel that resistance was Mac in the beginning.

(14:59):
You probably it loved. I was obsessed and It's not
about Mac Max awesome and Max perfect, but it's about
you had served your time there, your soul was ready
to evolve. Yes, okay, so you so finally did it
just close in on you so much that you were
just like I left and then I took a waitressing job.
Did you have any celebrities that wanted to work with you? No,

(15:21):
but yeah, you're like, I'm going to go be a
celebrity makeup arty. Yes so. And also, how did you
know because there's a lot of makeup artists who are
probably really talented in this town. I mean, if you're
gonna be working with celebrities, you're gonna be in a
town like Nashville. How did you have the balls to say,
I'm going to be a celebrity makeup artist, like and
I'm gonna do it because like a lot of people
probably want to do that, but they don't. It was

(15:43):
two thousand thirteen is when I got that aha moment.
How did you know you were going to do that?
That's so so I had Like in thousand thirteen, Instagram
was still like brand new, and the Kardashians were like exploding,
and the makeup industry. He was starting to explode, like
the makeup artist's life was exploding because the Mario and

(16:06):
Mario see the party, Like the hair industry had already exploded,
but the makeup industry never got the recognition that they
deserved on the same platform. And then after that, I
feel like it took off. Oh my gosh, it was exploding.
And I would follow all these makeup artists on social media.
I would go, I would grab a magazine and then

(16:28):
I would look at the cover and I would look
at the index to see who did their makeup, and
then I would try to find that person them. And
what would you do once you follow them? Just like
watch them, learn from watch them, watch any videos I
would like where social media is a wonderful thing because
you can use it to grow and expand and find
more people who are doing what you love in your field,
and you can actually have access to experts easily, really

(16:51):
really great. And that's the one thing I recommend is
like following like celebrity makeup artists and like following like
bloggers are great because they're fun, sighting, creative, But if
you really want to hone in your craft, those celebrity
makeup artists that are like making a really good living.
Those are the people you want to really learn because
you want to see how they're doing from they're like,

(17:11):
what are they doing to get in? Because what they're
doing is the reason is the reason why they're working
with So what did you realize that these people who
are making it are doing? And Tyler, you could wait
on this too because we'll get to Tyler's boy don't
know worry, but he's celebrity hairstylists? What is it that
these people that now are you because you now are
celebrity hair and makeup, so you weren't before? What were they? What?

(17:34):
What do people do to become a celebrity? That our conversation.
That's to sum it up. It is one you have
to do skin really well. So, um, if you see
all these like makeup artists that are working with like
all those big celebrities, their skin is so clean and

(17:57):
light and flawless. And one thing I learned at MATH
and make up artist skinness the makeup artist application on
their on their client, like they're making their client, yeah,
their clients skin is super And what I learned at
MAC is the makeup artists that are making a lot
of money and makeup know how to do skin really well.
It's not really I focused or like it's more skin.

(18:18):
So if you can really nail skin, then you can
make it really far in the industry. But that doesn't
mean like, oh great, I can do skin really well
and now I'm just waiting for somebody to come along.
How do you do skin really well? What does what
is that? What does that mean? Like you want to
make sure that they're really light. It's like a really
light application, but it's like perfected. Like you don't want

(18:38):
to look as something that walks into and they're like,
oh my god, look hert makeup. It's more like, wow,
she looks so beautiful and she's glowing. Yes, so um
I started. Once I left MAC, I was working basically
three jobs and still wasn't able to pay my light bill.
I was still I felt like I was like, why
am I twenty eight years old and still calling my

(19:01):
parents for asking for money? Like I hate? That was
like the worst feeling because I was seeing all my
friends with their normal like ninety five salary jobs, you know,
in marketing or in their a nursing student or they're
a nurse now and back to the perfect world that
we talked about on social media, and I was comparing myself.
I'm like why, Like there were times where I would

(19:23):
just be like, why am I doing this? Like is
ever going to pay off? Is this stupid? Yes? I'm
like I am barroke. I'm overworking myself making any money too.
I feel like I'm not being seen in the industry
in Nashville, and um, I was waitressing, I substitute taught,

(19:45):
I worked at a coffee shop where I bar attended
and served again, and it was just like those little
jobs again. I had another moment where I was like, um,
where I got pushed into leave being those side hustles.
And that's funny too. Sometimes you feel like your life
is ending because all of a sudden you're like here
your side hustles are shutting down, and you're like, oh

(20:06):
my gosh, I'm losing my money. I'm losing my But
it's also you just gotta trust it if it feels
okay and your gut that you're moving because here comes
some more opportunities and you've got a clear room. Yes,
you've got a clear room. You got a clear like
time in your in your day to be able to
work on what it is that you've been working towards
your entire life, and I want to talk about that.
After we go through you all stories a little bit,

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I want to talk about the importance of clearing and
being clear because that is a season that we're all
in right now and y'all place. People are so afraid
of that, of clearing out and that involves like clear
I'm going through this huge purge, like clearing out my inbox.
I have inbox messages from like two thousand thirteen. I
don't need that clogging down my vibration, you know, Like
I need to clear out this old stuff that I

(20:48):
used to care about, that used to drag around me.
Clear out closets, clear out drawers, clear out everything, get
to a minimal spot where it's like everything in your
life brings you joy, brings you purpose, or brings you love,
you know. I think it's sometimes because people are afraid
of letting go of whatever that is, because even if
it doesn't serve them well, they still know what it is.

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You know what you're comfortable, yes, and so something like
taking that leap, you have no idea because it's all unknown.
So they would rather like hold onto this because familiar
and you can feel safe in it because you already
know the potholes. You already know the pew days. You
can navigate it. You don't have to get caught off bar.
But if you don't clear out, like if you don't

(21:30):
clear out space and don't make opportunity for new opportunities,
which is like I mean seriously, I get now the
power functional like cleaning out your house and all that too,
like cleaning out your side hustles like you knew its
time of like got some room and like the universe
helped you do that is that pushed you into it?
So now if you don't have the space that's available,
then you're not going to ever be able to move

(21:50):
into a new place because all of your energy and
space is consumed with stuff that's not serving you. So
that's why it's so important to take constant inventory. Okay,
is it serving me? Am? I ready to move on? Like?
Is it time to like let this go? Even if
it's scary, you have to go in your gut when
it's time. Okay, So you can drop your side hustles
bike So I'm probably freaking. I dropped two of them
and then I was still working at the coffee shop

(22:11):
and then Savannah Chrisley slid in my d M s
of course because you cleared space, because I clear space.
Y'all think that's coincidental, But that stuff is not coincidental.
Not just now convincing myself that this is not coincidental,
and do What's so crazy is that a year before
and exactly a year before she messaged me, I messaged her.

(22:34):
I was like, I was just like shooting my shot,
like messaging all these celebrities, and I was like, maybe
they'll see my Instagram. Like I was trying to be
seen because in that moment in my life, I felt
like I was not being seen. I was like, I
have the skill set, I know what I'm capable of.
I know I can do great makeup, and nobody knows
I exist. So at that time, I was like I

(22:56):
was just messaging all these celebrities and then confidence, you're
having balls, You're putting yourself out there. And then actually,
exactly a year later, like exactly like it was like
off like one or two days, she slid in my
d MS. Did you know that? It was like, God,
the university purpose one million person and you're already been

(23:17):
in tune. With this yes, so you're like, Okay, thank you.
I was like, I see what you're doing, but I
see I'm making the steps of those moments where you're
just like you know because and you're like, I'm scared
as ship, but I know I have to do this,
so I'm gonna do it. It's for rewarding because you're like, oh,
that's like a little nugget telling me that I'm going
in the right direction. These are the things that all

(23:39):
these struggles that I've had before are now starting to
pay off. And these only you. This is the part
that is beautiful and sucks. A big one is only
you can do it, Like only you can do this
for yourself. Like you can have people who can guide
you and help you and inspire you and like give
you confidence and encourage you, but like you to be

(24:00):
the one who gets into with your inner inner guidance system.
It's up to you. It's an inside job one and
I learned that early. Now I'm so grateful I have
my makeup like mentor who is also like my spiritual mentor.
Her name is Nadine hicks Um. Shout out to Nadine
and l A. And so she was she's um older

(24:20):
than me. She's like in her fifties, so she's been
in the industry much longer than I have. And she's
actually retired now from makeup. But what she taught me,
Like when I was working in this long can I
just tell you this is another God moment. This is
one of the coolest things that ever happening. Well, okay,
so I'm working in this saloon going to hair school.
So and I'm working at the front desk and this
guy comes in for his haircut and I check him

(24:42):
out of his service and he just sparks a conversation
with me, and he was like, what do you want
to do with your life? And I was like, I
want to be a celebrity makeup artist. This is like
two thousand fourteen actually, So he's like, Oh, I have
a friend out in l A. It does celebrity makeup.
I'm sure she would love to talk to you and
give you advice or and think this random person, random person.
And the thing is, I was supposed to open that

(25:02):
like that shift, and I switched and I closed that
night with somebody else because she needed to open that day.
So I wasn't even supposed to work that shift and
this guy came in for his haircut and that's how
I met Nadine, and Nadine told me she was like.
I asked her, I'm like, how how does it happen?
How do you get all these clients? Like how did
you do it? And she was like, you just it

(25:25):
just happens, and it was like you you put in
the work and those doors open the un She was like,
the universe just opened those stores for you. And I
was like, okay, no, but really, but that's much of
b S. And also but it's it's so much of
this clearing energy. Yes, it's all energy. It's all energy.
And everyone who has this mentality of work harder in

(25:46):
the grind, but you're not grinding for what you love,
and you know you're working against the grind, you're not
going to get to where you you're going to go.
It is so much about the energy, Yes, it is.
You'll stay in a loop. Working against the energy is
staying in a job that doesn't fulfill you anymore, and
you will get stuck as an in cycle that you
really not attract those those opportunities in those people into

(26:08):
your life if you're still putting your energy against the grind.
And so that's why if you feel like you are
right now currently stuck in a loops like listening to
this and you feel like I and here's another thing,
you know what you want to do, Like you know
in your heart if you're stuck in this job that
you hate, you know where you want to go, even
if you don't know exactly how it ends up. You
have a calling to like, oh my god, I really

(26:29):
need to be around animals or something. You know, you
feel it like it's just like you feel it in
your soul. So that is what happens. You clear the space,
you get the skill set, you have the confidence, and
then you put yourself at the out there you take
the action steps, you do them. It is fun, but
this is how you get magic to happen. Like people

(26:50):
are like, how do you do it? How do you
do it? It It takes a lot of just like believing
in your calling and then making the space for it. Yes, okay.
So then here comes Savannah Christly and now she was like,
we need a makeup artist for the TV show. Can
you okay? She was like can you come in on Tuesday?
And I was like yes, Oh my gosh. She was like, well,
she wanted to do a trial with me first to
see if she liked her makeup, because if Savannah likes

(27:11):
the makeup, then I'm good enough for Julie Todd Grayson.
She's she's like, she's like, as long as Savannah proves, Like,
isn't it Savannah knows best her show? Oh no, it's
Christally yeah, but Savannah's McQueen. But yeah, Spanta's the queen.
So it was Julie, so is Nanny Fay. But they
all have like their own little thing. But um, so

(27:33):
I went in for my trial. She was like great,
king start Friday. So that was like in the makeup world,
it's really hard to find a constant job because makeup
is super like specific on like what an event or
no one is getting their makeup done like every time
less or you have a reality show yes that you

(27:55):
need to be looking. So those jobs are very hard
to find. And this was a constant job. It was
like an income that I can rely on. Your stuff.
So now being advertised on one of the hottest TV
shows and families in the entertainment industry, I mean that's huge, huge,
and so that was a huge moment for me. Because
then I finally was able to leave my job at

(28:16):
the coffee shop, and that moment was super scary. And
you know who taught me? Like who gave me the
pep talk to like leave that. I've been working side
hustles and multiple jobs my entire life. And then Kenny,
my fiance, was like he gave me the pep talk
that I needed. What do you say? It was basically
like you just like you earned this, you deserve this,

(28:37):
Like this opportunity came to you for a reason, and
you've just got to just like you've done your whole life,
just trust that that everything is going to is working
itself out and you can you don't need to spend
and waste your energy on something that is only really
just paying for your car payment. I don't know. It's

(28:58):
like it's time for you to move on and trust
and you're ready and you're getting ready. You should marry
that guy. He sounds like a good partner. And I
was like, you're right, you're right, you're right. And I
was like crying when I was like talking to him
because I was like, I can't believe it. I've been working,
so it's scary because here you are getting to live
your full that's kind of scary. It was scary because

(29:20):
I was I was going from somebody that was a
makeup artist and did side hustles her whole life to
actually being a full time makeup artist, Like is it
really that time? Like am I really is that scary?
Because it's imposter syndrome or did you have that? Or
were you ready? You didn't have imposter syndrome because you've
been working so hard that you're like im pastor syndrome
where you feel like you're not qualified for it, but

(29:41):
you're talking about this you you actually it is kind
of imposter syndrome because again, like my upbringing, my like
my mom has always taught me you need to like
she wants a car, Like I started my first job
at like fourteen years old, and we didn't have a
lot of money growing up, and so I it was
like kind of raising the environment that was like maybe

(30:07):
operating like below to like where I wanted to become.
And so I was telling I was feeding myself all
these like crazy lies like all the time. That's a
huge thing too. Self talk. We create life based on
all the situations that have happened to us, our environmental
services back to the comfortability of what we know and
what they have been told that we are we really are.
Those lies get fed into your subconscious. So then even

(30:29):
when you think I deserve this, I am this, I'm
going to do this, your subconscious is lying to you.
You don't even know it's really doing that, and it's
actually like holding you back. So you need to release
those those lies in those the box that you put
yourself in like all these years, and that's really hard
to do. It's really hard to do because you don't

(30:49):
really believe it because everyone that you've looked up to
or respected or the life that you've lived doesn't match
what you're telling yourself you're meant to be, but you
just haven't lived into it yet. So you just have
to take that that that's where you're supposed to go. Yes,
I was like really me, like little Page like from Dayton, Ohio,
like is this? But why not? You? Right? But why not?

(31:11):
Because you have just as much of a of a
why can't you do what you feel called to do?
Just like anyone else, anyone else who's doing something on
this kind of level has just followed their calling and
they stayed true to it. So that's that's where I
and then like COVID happened. But then it was like
that's what I was really working on, is like digging

(31:32):
into my subconscious thinking and like releasing all of that
because in order, like once I can release all of that,
I can elevate to the next level. How did you
dig into your subconscious thinking? And Tyler way into the
two if you have some inside like how did you
dig into your subconscious thinking? When did you know that
you're subconscious that you had lies that you were believing?
How can you tell when there's a lie that you're
listening to? Because it would just pop up into my

(31:56):
head almost like a voice in my head that was
just saying, like you don't deserve this, like this is
not like there's no way that this is going to
be your life like you like it was like these
little lies. And once I noticed those lies, like you
can't have this, Yes, you can't have this, Oh you
want a better car, Like no, you're supposed to drive

(32:16):
like a little jinkie clunker car, Like that's just that's
who you are and how you are, that's how you like,
that's what you're around when like growing up then like,
if it ain't broke, don't fix it? Why can't you
have nice things? Like why can't like? And that was
like as soon as I started like hearing those, I
would stop and I would read like think it, I

(32:38):
would rethink yes, I would just force myself to think
of something consciously taking inventory of your thoughts. And that's
another thing. So many of our thoughts we do not
take inventory of. We just let them run the show.
I mean, I've been this my whole life, every year,
but now it's like I realized just recently that I
don't smile at myself. When I'm looking at the mirror
by myself, I scowl it myself because I'm like, I

(33:00):
get myself and I'm like tired looking, and I'm like
but then I was like, my god, why why not smiling?
I started smiling at myself, Like when I'm looking at
the stuff in my mirror, I'm like, I love you
like I love you, I love that. Yeah, I'm like,
why do I not smile? Like I'm happy to see me,
like I'm happy with who I am? You know, Okay,

(33:20):
so Tyler, let's move on to you, Okay, Tyler. Bishop
Hair Tyler was born and raised in Arkansas, He's always
had a passion for hair and started doing hair at
the age of thirteen, doing prom and homecoming style stiling.
I need to see pictures of which I will never
do again, absolutely like homecoming, prom wedding hair. Yes, why

(33:51):
does all that gets such a bad rap? Like why
does it have to be so bad? Sometimes not bad,
but like you know, like it has like it's such
a doe because the dudes going away? No, Okay, I
feel like with everything, just like with clothing, with it
goes in cycles, don't you know? Sometimes I feel like
when I was in high school, the dudes like looking back,
we're bad. There's like a ringlet And I feel like

(34:13):
updues are coming back because y'all just did the cover
for Mallory Urban too. By the way, both of y'all
did for National Hair and Makeup. Isn't it weird that,
like in the same week we did Brent with Lifestyle
cover Girls Here we are. But the funny thing is
I get asked this question a lot, and I feel like,

(34:33):
so do you what's the difference between doing an updue
for like what we did, like we did a party
pony on you. I did end up. Yeah, I did
an update on on Mallory and what's the difference between
that and doing it for prom or a wedding, which,
by the way, Mallory Irvan y'all, she's a force of nature.
Followed her on Instagram at Mallory Irvan. She says a

(34:55):
book coming out. She truly is like talk about what
we're talking about. She's living her life to the max,
like a breath of fresh air. Every time you see her,
even if you're like having a bad day or like
don't feel good about yourself or whatever that is, when
you're around her, you're she's just like. She's also one
of those people where I'm like, every time I'm around her,
I'm like, God, she's done it. She's done the work

(35:16):
to clear it to get there. And then I'm like,
it's pressure on me because I'm like I need to
do more work in a good way. We're all I
feel like our whole lives around me doing work. That's true,
but that's why I will continue to elevate. That's right,
because you're saying, Okay, yes, continue on, dear, So you
didn't problem You will never do prom between up to

(35:36):
for a shoot versus a problem. It's so much different
because I'm so meticulous with everything that I do. Think
about when I was doing your hair, how many times
did I have my hands in your hair, just like
re teasing a section her hair, spraying a section, you
know what I mean. It's like you can't be there,
especially for a wedding. Her and I are arguing right now.
Y'all are in your minds like there's an argument happening

(35:58):
that we just can't hear. There's a secret you are
sending each other page getting page is getting married. And
we have been best friends for a while now, and
I love that you'll work partners to Yes, y'all do so.
Y'all obviously can work by yourself, but y'all are incredible
team together. You'll can read each other's minds. It's fun
to work sometimes, Like I'll like because I'm facing like

(36:22):
the person like and I wear all of my emotions
on my face, so like something you'll see he'll make
a reaction or a face and I'll just like look
at him. So I'm just like, hey, Laura, stay stoic. Stays.
But now we are arguing because she wants me to
be in the wedding party. Yes, but also do her

(36:43):
hair for her wedding and like going back to like
I want to be there. I literally told her, Like
Kirby's sister Carly, I did her wedding in Jackson Home,
and I was literally with her until her and her
dad walk down the ad because those pictures are so
important and those iconic probably were bicnic, but we all

(37:03):
know that if I would have left at thirty minutes
or forty five minutes and went to sit down, it's
that picture of her walking down the aisle where it's
like not teased anymore, her hair fell or its split
apart or And so I'm so self aware of my
work at all times. I want to make everything perfect.
Talk about hair being in makeup, but like hair to

(37:25):
being the most fluid thing ever. It's flowing, it's moving.
So it's like literally that last moment is actually just
as important, just as important. Let's say this is also
good because this just shows how much how much pride
and how much like heart you really put into your craft,
like it really is your full soul, because it matters
to you that the full expression is perfect. Okay, I'm

(37:46):
kind of siding with Tyler. So people think that it's
because of siding with Tyler on this argument, because, like
I get it, he wants it to be perfect for
you because he loves you and he's serious about his work.
So Okay, we just gotta find a solution. We'll find us.
Let's keep going. The solution is probably gonna be I'd
rather him be in the bridal party than do my hair.
Can't you have him do your hair and then someone

(38:07):
else just tease it at the end to check it no,
because that's not his work. And then here's the issue
with that. This is what we're kind of like bickering
about because she knows me well enough to know that
when I'm in there watching someone else do her hair,
like that's not right, that's not how it needs to

(38:27):
be done. And remember facial expression to be mad because
but you're also going to be mad if you didn't
do her hair for her wedding, right, So we're stuck. Yeah,
we're like going back and forth because you can have
someone else do it and Tyler can be fully present,
but then you're gonna be like I would have done this,
this and this and this unless you just hire someone
who you really love. But then you're gonna be like

(38:50):
I should have done that. Oh I'd rather him be
in the wedding and be present and not help to work. Okay,
I think that's the direction. Yeah, your wedding, but no
back to enjoy the day. Yeah, don't work. Okay, I agree,
that's the one I do. Okay, so you're not doing
the wedding, okay, argument, So I love it. Congratulations, I'm good.

(39:12):
We worked about on the podcast. Facts like I've do
some stuff I feel like, um, some people think it's because, well,
I just want to do celebrity hair, and so I'll
do it for them, but not for somebody else that
is wanting like prom or homecoming or wedding or they're
doing a photo shoot. Photo shoots I still do because

(39:34):
I could still be president the entire time. I know
what it looks like behind the camera or on the
screen or on the TV screen, whatever atmosphere we're in,
and I can tweet things. I can tell of the
talk of her hay at it like this kind of
step in and they're like, yeah, just suck with her
with makeup. She does the same thing and for us
to do like a do and go, and then it'd
be a day like this where it's like raining, it's

(39:56):
like chili but not to chi really, and then there's like,
we have a story, should we tell it? Okay, because
weather plays a huge deal for your weather. Let's talk
weather people. We were talking about being real at the
beginning of this podcast, and this is a real moment
from the celebrity here cells the celebrity makeup part. So

(40:19):
weather so stressful. Stress about the weather, especially be there
especially we can't be there especially now, Like I would
have said no now had I known what I knew now.
So I have a client that books a lot of
big people, and she was sitting in my chair and
she was like, hey, I know you watched Real Housewives

(40:42):
and I was like yeah, okay, and um she was like, well,
there's one of the housewives that are coming in. I'm
going to connect you with their agent. I can't tell
you who it is, but if they want to use you,
then that'd be great for your Instagram. And I'm like yeah.
And so I was like, well, I have the perfect
cup artists. So I had our agents and just like

(41:05):
who we've worked with, we loved to work with her
and then send our instagrams. They ended up reaching back
out literally like two days before she came in. It
was shannonba Door from the Househives of Orange County, and um,
she was literally a dream to work with. She was
the sweetest, funniest, funniest, just like down to earth, like

(41:25):
you wanted her to be your good energy. She was
really good energy. She was so kind and so we
get in there and I started putting extensions in her
hair clipp ends and it was the middle of August,
it was like the hottest week. And she goes to
change and she is in um white long jeans, cowboy boots,

(41:48):
a longsleeve shirt, and a blue jean jacket and I
was like, where's the sheet inside? Outside? Outside? They're going
down Broadway and I was like, girl, your hair is
going to friz and the extensions are not because they're treated,
so they're going to start to separate. And she had
like panic. She had like curly hair, and so she
was like, she was like, we'll be fine, We'll be fine.

(42:10):
That's what everyone's Oh, what'll be fine. It's not going
to be fine. And we did her hair and make
up at like five thirty six in the morning because
they were shooting all so then it's like you're setting
then they're off. So at like noon, I went back
to the salon. She had another job to go to
and we looked at her Instagram story and it was

(42:30):
a part in my French. But it was a fucking nightmare.
I literally screamed like a woman. He called and I
called her and I was like, page, page, page page,
look at her fucking story right now? Do not know that?
It was all of her hair was like curly, her
makeup melting off her face. Her hair was like curly.

(42:52):
Her extensions were like curl at the bottom, but they
were straight here. And I was like, did she die?
I literally text the producer and was like, we need
to come touch her up right now. Ravo was following
her around everywhere in Nashville, and you're about to get
all the credits. And they recorded us two hours both
days that we did her hair. They bring her hair.

(43:14):
This is not good for me. Yes, And we had
just posted a picture of us getting her ready and
she looked stunning. Did she not know it was melting off?
And she just like like she's been filming for so long,
she knew it was hot, she knew it was like
one of those days where I was like in the
nineties plus like high humidity. I'm loving the city. I'm

(43:36):
dying what happens. So we go the next day and
I'm like, and she's doing this up at all these scenes.
She's doing the pop up at the mall and because
she was having a healthful wellness product that she was
promoting that is also amazing. Um, and so I was like,
what is it. It's a lemonade. Um, it's like a drink. Yes, okay,

(44:00):
And then um, I was like, how do you feel that,
you know, just like up and she she was like
I could tell. She was like no, but of course
like sweet shand and she was like, I mean, if
that's how you feel, will do it because you're the expert,
you're the hairstyles. But like, I really liked the way
that you did my hair yesterday. And I was like,

(44:21):
I liked it. I liked it out and um. So
she was like, I just really I feel authentic that way,
and I want I want to be authentic when I'm
in front of people, all of my people that want
to come to see me. And I was like, okay,
in them all they're still shooting all day, so they're

(44:43):
obviously not going to be inside all day. So I'm like,
I'm loading her up with anti humidity so much so
that it's like not smooth when I'm like, so I'm
happy to like grab her hair while I'm waving it,
so it is it like pullar hair back while I'm waving.
I'm like trying every single thing that I could possibly do.

(45:05):
And um, so anyway, it went great. She didn't post
a lot that day, but it looked good at the
mall when she had posted pictures. And so that was
in August. Well did you see that the episode we
got really recently I have recently aired, and I was
I was catching up on our houses, Real house sides

(45:27):
of Orange County they get to Nashville. I was catching
up just her. I was catching up on all my
Real housewives. She's like in this apartment to you didn't
know it was coming. My first I forgot about it.
I buried it. My first ever never happened. It's never
happened since my first R and R night. And I
had like had nice wine, I was making pasta bononaise

(45:52):
and I was like sitting on the couch watching in
the preview, like next time on Real Housewives of Orange
County and it shows her like melted hair, a fucking mess,
and I literally want a screamed. I screamed. I was like,

(46:12):
I facetimed her, she didn't answer. I called her, she
didn't answer. I said, bitch, pick up, and I facetimed
her again and she was like what And I was like,
I'm going to play this for you, and I like
replayed it while we were on FaceTime, and I had
a screenshot on my phone somewhere where we were like,
you gotta show us it was a mess, But did

(46:36):
Shannon think it look good? But it never showed anything.
It literally showed her getting off the plane, going to dinner,
and coming back. And I was like fine, Like what
actually end up being fine because saying ended up being
fine because I never added the clips of us doing
her hair makeup. So you're like, great, so this one
time when you did not like it literally was like

(46:57):
herding off the plane and going on Broadway, so it
could have been like her doing her own it actually
say until now? Until now? Yeah, it's just kind of
get real whereon all the dirty right here? This will
be flashing a scene of this picture though on this
podcast like it's gonna that picture flashing. What has to
be like what she looked like before? We'll do before

(47:18):
and after. I need I need to God. So y'all
that you buried it. I love it. Okay, this is amazing. Okay,
I'm gonna wrap up. We read I love I'm sweating
right now. Okay. So you did prom you did all that,
you moved to Destin, yes, okay for a boy as
we do. Okay? And also was it easy for you
to come out? Was that something easier? Actually? My best

(47:40):
friend outed me. So was it good? But out of
she um? And you know, I've always been like, you know, feminine.
It's not like I was like the football player that
people were like on The Bachelor. Not that you don't
look like um. But yeah, she took that power away

(48:02):
from me. Yes, that's another lesson I'm learning. You can't
tell other people's stories. It has to be their story
to share. So how didn't she just shared it in
front of people? She shared it with people the next
day at school, and so of course you know it.
You told her confidentially and then she shared it. Were

(48:22):
there a lot of other gay people in your school? No?
I was the only one. So that was really big
and hard? Was that heavy? Was that hard to do?
I still struggle with that. Her and I have those
conversations a lot. I still struggle with past school stuff.
Like I used to have to get like walked. It
started when I was in fourth grade. I used to
have to get walked to the principal's office or I

(48:44):
would get a pass from the teacher, like a hall
pass to go to the principal's office, and one of
them would want me to the bathroom, so I could
because I wouldn't get beat up. People would beat you
up because arsas. Yeah people, and not that there's nothing
wrong with Arkansas, but like it's not necessarily the most
like progressive. I used to get y'all know, the like
little plastic trays that they put like corn or whatever

(49:07):
in the lunchline. Um, I had a few. Yes, I
had one really good best friend. Her name is Caroline
and um, and she has been my best friends since
we were like three. We lived across the street from
each other. But other than that, I mean, my relationships
have ebbed and flowed over the years, as most relationships do.

(49:32):
Um and so, but yeah, I mean, it was not
a great time and I still struggle sometimes with like
when I come home now that I'm doing what I'm
doing and you're fully who you are and embraced. Yeah,
people are like, hey, it's so good to see you.
You know. Do you remember me? Yes? And I'm like,

(49:52):
are we remembering the same? I'm like, yeah, I remember you.
You made my life. Hell yeah. And so I'm trying
to like learn right now that what my reality was
is not what their reality was. And so profound and
big of you for me to like you, Well, that's

(50:13):
taken a long time. You've done a lot of work.
That's a lot of work to not take to get
above what someone did to you because they just were
experiencing a different reality with different tools and different circumstances
that made them who the way they are. But still
they can hurt you, you know, like someone really hurt you,

(50:33):
wounded you. Wow. So you've done a lot of work
on that. So proud of you. That's a big deal.
I feel like we her and I that's I mean,
one of the reasons why we're best friends. But we
had these like deep conversations like that, and we've helped
each other grow and and things like that, and I
feel like we all have trauma. Like my therapist says,

(50:54):
you have like big T trauma and little T trauma
like that, Yeah, I you know, like yes, and it's
all your it's all whatever someone's trauma is. Some people
don't have big T trauma, but they're little T trauma
affects them in a huge way. Other people have a
lot of big T trauma and they seem like they
can handle it or whatever. But then you know, but
the bottom line is we all have some sort of

(51:14):
trauma that we have to confront and look at and
deal with if we want to live our purpose. Yes,
and we're all going to have like layers of it
to get through, yes, Especially stuff like that. That's really
hard when you're like so isolated in your no one
is supporting you when you're that young and fragile. Because
like now that we're growing in adults and we've come

(51:36):
into ourselves, like you have confidence, but like that is
the most vulnerable time when you're trying to figure out
who you are and you know that this like walking confident,
like walking in your path when it's not accepted. I
mean that's hard, Tyler. Yeah, so I knew that I
wanted to do hair. So my parents somewhere that I
would never make any money doing hair because they were

(51:57):
in like recession mindset of like what hairstyle to make
their back then because now I know personally no hairstylists
there that make great money. And so I was They
made me go to college, and I was going to college. Um,
I was going to hair school four days a week.
I was going to college at night, and then all
my nights said I wasn't going to college. I was

(52:18):
working at Olive Garden as a server. Love their son breadsticks,
I mean no one, and um, then I saved up
about five dollars moved in with this boy in Destin.
Is this your first relationship? No, I had a couple
that were like young loves. I feel like this was
my first, like real relationship. Um. He was in the military,

(52:44):
and um, it just didn't work out. I ended up
coming home one day early from work and him and
somebody else were in our bed. So I actually happened
to you, I guess the nightmare. What do you do
when that happens? You know? I always thought that I
would be like that crazy for me, like you know,
like tearing shut off the walls, and I wasn't. I

(53:05):
just stood there and um, I never you actually caught
him in the bed and the actor in the middle
of it, Tyler, I'll never forget. Yeah, you literally like
rand over and looked at me, did you know the
other guy? And said closed the door I want and

(53:28):
this is where you lived and that was the bed
you slept in. I want for a lot. And so
I did. I left? Did he? Did they finish there?
I don't know, Oh my god, but I know they're
together now. So okay, So what did that lessen? Did
that teach you? So? I and I had like moved
down there with nothing, and he was in the military,

(53:49):
so he got like a stipend for rent, so our
rent was paid for. I was making ends meet to
pay like from my bills, my car, my insurance stuff
like that. Um, because I was working out a salon
like forty hours a week and then I would work
really like six nights a week at Olive Garden there.
So I was working two jobs. So he had a
lot of free time on his hands that he utilized

(54:12):
to use so crazy. We both dated military guys us
and um, and so I was like, you know, I'm
just gonna give up. I don't know what to do.
And that's that thing too. I want to talk to
people about that first time that you take a risk
and a leap and you really start pursuing your moment
and you get that first huge rejection, it's really easy

(54:33):
to want to quit. But that's just because just started
going to be getting those big old rejections and slaps
in your face. And many get many more times to come,
but that first one will really knock you down because
you feel like all the cards are against you, and
it's so much easier to fall back again into that
what we know. I could have moved back home. Here
you go and here you go. You're taking a step forward,

(54:55):
you're living openly, you're being who you want to be,
you're working in the hair, and then all of a sudden,
you get slam in your face. You know, like so
it's like, okay, I'm not supposed to do this, and
that's just like pushing it because you've got to fight
for it, and you will get more doors to slam
in your face, But it gets easier once you learned
that othermost opened that a better. So I literally like

(55:17):
moved in with a bunch of different people over the
course of a six month period, and then I moved
in with somebody that ended up becoming one of my
best friends and her two kids, and I lived with
him for like four years. I met my mentor like
three months after all of that happened, because I knew
that's amazing. I knew with your hair, but I did

(55:39):
not know what I wanted to do. And I also
had a lot of trauma. I thought by leaving Arkansas,
I could lose that there, and then I was just
gonna go far away and just started and it's going
to be and that trauma followed me, and then I
had a lot more trauma that was added to that.
So you feel like it was because you had that
unresolved trauma, so it was like kind of escaping wound

(56:02):
that could gather more like it. It's like that like
attracts like you hadn't of course, you hadn't dealt with
it yet because you're so young, like what, and you
don't want to deal with it. It It hurts so then
that that trauma still there, so it's it's going to
keep being alive inside of you until you look at it.
It literally gets stuck in your body. It gets stuck
in your body, like like I know, I've been wanting
to do acupuncture lately so much because I feel like

(56:23):
I just want to get stored energy. Yes, I love acupunctures,
and it makes sense because like everyone's like, oh, that's
so like hippy weirdo, but no, it gets stuck in
your body, and a person who is a skilled acupuncturist
can scan your body, feel your energy and to help
you stick needles to release that stored trauma, that stored energy,

(56:43):
that stored pain. It like blows it out. That's why
it's so important to go. It's part of my I'm
craving and I'm feeling it and I need to do that.
I feel like it's almost like chiropractic care, and I
love that, you know what I mean. It's like it's natural.
It keeps you to take medication for it, and the
more often that you go, are more regular that you go,
the better off you're going to be and keeps your

(57:03):
body in line. Which having an inline body is the
same as like having it's not for vanity like I
used to do some body stuff to be skinny, to
be fit, to look a certain way, to have a
certain image that other people thought about me. But now
it's all about internally, like doing these things to internally
be in line, to be internally who you are. Okay,
so continue. So met Sarah your mentor, which is amazing.

(57:27):
She moved to the salon that I was working out, okay,
and she flowed into your life. Yes, And everyone at
that salon was in like a regression state of doing
things because that's where you were, but that's not where
you wanted to be. I knew it. So it's like
all around you was what you knew, your your old

(57:48):
comfort zone. It was pulling you down, but you knew
you were belonging there more. Yeah. And so they were
charging like I don't know, like sixty five dollars for
a haircut, which back then was a lot of money
for haircut. And they were charging like a hundred and
sixty five dollars for a foil and sending people out
the door. And everyone was happy with that. They loved

(58:09):
the environment. The salama was beautiful. She came in with
no clientele other than the people that followed her from Tallahassee,
which was like a three hour drive, and built a
full clientele in less than six months. And made I
think like two dollars that year. How did she do that?
She charged what she was worth and so if she

(58:32):
she knew she was worth it, yes, if she's doing
like a full transformation, she's not going to charge for
a full foil, she's going to charge for two and
a half heads of foil. Because that's what she did.
And other people weren't doing that, so they were like,
your price galging, You're you know, charging people way more
than what you should. I can't believe you're doing this.
But somehow she she was so kind to everyone. She

(58:56):
also wasn't doing it to screw people. Her attentions were
very true, like her energy behind her price went through
consultation with every single client up front about it, what
the price was going to be, what the retail was
going to be, and she would put packages together for
every single one of her clients that were very specific
to their hair needs. She cared, she cared, genuinely cared,

(59:16):
and what she was doing that up because there was
no false advertisement and they knew that when they sat
in her chair, they were going to be taken care
of from the front to the back until they left
and they could reach out to her any time, and
they had a plan, and she put them on a plan,
You're going to come in every twelve weeks or every

(59:38):
fourteen weeks. Took that off of people's plate. She built
with them. It's all about like becoming who you want
to be. Hair makeup so much a part of that.
It's not all vanity. Yes it can be for vanity,
but if you truly want to align with yourself, having
hair and makeup that matches your personality and then have something,
having someone who's an expert, who keeps you on a schedule,
who keeps it maintained for you, that then that takes

(01:00:02):
that stress off people. The clients, they don't have to
worry about it. They're not stressing out, they're not worried
like my hair is a wreck right now, but I
have no plan. I don't want to do like on
the system. I don't know where I'm going. So she
gave people relief. Yes, and um, everybody was like, oh,
you know, we hate her, And I was like not me.
I was like, I like leaned in and I was like,

(01:00:23):
you know, how do you do this? Like how do
you talk to clients that way? How do you Because
she basically took away any doubt with clients. They were
confident in what she was doing. They knew that she
knew what she was doing, and they knew that they
were going to get the finished result that they wanted.
And so money became no option, whereas somebody else that

(01:00:43):
you know, was shaking in their consultation. And she didn't
probably say this like, hey, this is gonna cost this,
this is gonna cast this. You can like. She gave
them options. You don't have to do this full package
right now, but she laid it out there. They choose
their empowered And I was like, you know, how do
you do that? How do you get clients walking in
loving you and walking out loving you more than what
they did when you after they paid you a lot

(01:01:03):
of money and it was a lot of money back then,
And so I started. They wouldn't allow me to uh
mentor under her at the salon, and so I was like,
you know, when you teach classes or on my days off,
I want to come in. And I did every day off.
I came in for free and shadowed under her, and

(01:01:25):
she taught her first classes at this old salon and
I was there for free every single Sunday that she
taught and it would be you know, six seven, eight
hour days. But once again, everyone listening, this is going
the extra mile. Like if you are identifying an opportunity
of growth and learning and how to expand yourself and
you're not just saying I don't have to do that.
I don't have to go do this extra schooling right now.

(01:01:47):
That's not like I'm paid for that, right, but you're like,
you have to do things for free if it's gonna
elevate you to the next and you have I need that.
I felt yeah, like I'm like, I'm sorry, Paige, I
have b my boobs and my bad breath. Just for
anyone listening, boggy body or boob girl. Well, I mean

(01:02:08):
you also have the fireplace on and it's eighty degrees.
Are you just wedding? I'm sweating in my armpits. I'm
funding Oh okay, is it really such a so many
nine grows? Well, the fireplace makes it so hot? O
drissed megaparts and hairstyles were like they this is our drama.
I'm putting you guys in the middle of your drama

(01:02:28):
trying the fire that's son, okay, Okay, So that's so funny.
They were like, my armpits are wet, okay, and they're
also wearing that long sleeves. Well, I mean it cool.
It's not here, not here, not here, you could heat

(01:02:49):
the neighborhood. We got the he's in my shirt to
like dryms just let it be, let it be. Yes,
tour and like going the extra mile. Yes, that is
so important because I'm telling you, if you have the
mentality well I don't have to do that. I don't
like I'm not gonna paid for that. Or if you
think that like it's not it's something extra, but you're
not willing to do it. That is what separates people.

(01:03:11):
Because your energy always knows what you're doing and it
responds to it. We get to it's like nostalgic for
her and I to sit back and look because she's
built her career from the ground up. She got like
hud followers on Instagram. Now. I remember her when she
just started her Instagram. I remember her first class when
there was like six people and it was from the

(01:03:33):
town Tallahassee, the town that she came from. So she
was a little bit known there, but she wasn't known
anywhere else. And um and now she flies everywhere. She
has a global um it's called level Tin education. What's
Sarah Pasella? But her instagram is Sarah May Levelton spell

(01:03:55):
it s a r A y underscore level ten, level ten. Okay,
so like little blonde that her last name l t No,
Sarah Meg, Sarah Postella is her name? Yeah, okay, because
I was like, her name is level tin. I mean
that's like manifestation and that's right, that's right, and she's

(01:04:16):
always she She taught me so much about that letting
go of things in the past because she has also
had a really really hard life, and she came in
my life at such an integral part because I was
not yet ready to let my trauma go, and I
did a lot of lashing out. Somebody that would do
something small to me, I would have such a major

(01:04:38):
reaction because you were so wounded and so yes, I
was protective of myself, and I was also very protective
of her because all those people at the salon reminded
me of people from school. It was also personal train
and I was not going to let her. I still
remember telling her that even if she didn't have any

(01:04:59):
friends at the alon, I was going to make sure
that she at least had one, which was me. Yeah,
and so but again I was putting my feelings on her,
and so I had to I had to unlearn that.
And she helped me so much in my personal life
and my personal journey and also so much in my

(01:05:19):
professional journey. And um, I feel like I had capped
out at that salon. I had gotten to where I
wanted to be. I could have worked and worked and
became a senior stylist and stayed there for forever. Um,
but I felt like I wanted to do more. I
started seeing like editorial stuff. She had went to a
New York Fashion Week, and I was like, that would

(01:05:40):
be cool. I think I would like to do that
because I remember three years ago I was doing prom
hair out of my bedroom and um, she was like,
she was like, can you know where I see you?
And I was like where? And she was like, I
really see you in Nashville. She has had a vision.
She's like about that before. Yes, like Nashville's on my radar.

(01:06:04):
But I was thinking like I didn't want to be
close to home. I didn't want to be close to Arkansas.
So when I was looking to move, I was looking
at Austin and Dallas, in Seattle and Portland, in l
A and New York and Chicago, all these big cities
like in my mind I needed to be in like
somewhere that was very large. That way I could grow.
And Um, so we we came to Nashville. I met

(01:06:27):
my parents here for a weekend and I just fell
in love with it. And so I knew that was
in October of two thousand and seventeen because we met nineteen.
Did you meet on Christlan nineteen? What did you meet on? No?
I'm sorry about that. Um, we met. I moved here
in seventeen. Um, and it's just been a journey ever since.

(01:06:51):
I mean I lived in an apartment with brown reclusive
and roaches and black mold, black mold, horrible furniture. I
was like painting. I would go and buy a canvas
at Walmart and I would like paint canvases, so I
would like have decor on my walls. You know, it
was just rocked it and you're falling a purpose. We

(01:07:13):
made it happen. So how many and page met? Could
you do Chrisli's hair, Yes, you do all the No.
So chad Um is a really good friend of mine
and he actually started doing their hair with her on
the show. Who was doing hair with them before I
came to the picture like he's a long time friend
of their right, but not too long. I'm probably a

(01:07:35):
year before you really. Yeah. Um, and that family took
him in under their way, just as like one of
their own children, just like they do with all of us.
Love them. Um. But yeah, Chad was doing their hair
and then he got into real estate and yeah, and
he still does both. Um, but I think he stepped

(01:07:56):
away from the show a little bit so he could
focus on real estate. And so um, she had actually
recommended me and that was another like trauma day for
me for hair. Why oh, just like bad weather all
sorts of circumc No, that was like my biggest client
to date at that moment. She had recommended me, and

(01:08:17):
Julie had called me and was like, hey, can you
do my hair tomorrow? Yes? I was like, uh, and
I did not like I do like what I do
on you like effortless, tossled and she loves like glam
roller and it's just not something that was my strong suit.

(01:08:42):
And so I literally I called three different people that
I knew that did that all the time, and I
was like walking me through everything. I went and bought
a mannequin. Wait the night this the day before one day,
I went and bought a mannequin, and I had a
mannequin stand and I literally did um roller said in
my living room for hours. I once to get everyone listening.

(01:09:05):
Do you hear this? Because this is the prep work
to be great because you have a moment, an opportunity
that's coming to you and you don't just win. You
want to blow it. You don't want to blow it,
so you prepare, even if you have one day, you prepare, yes,
and so um. I was trying different products out seeing
which held better, which didn't hold and um So anyway,

(01:09:29):
I was on a diet hill at that point. Oh.
I used to do tons of diet hills, which one
obviously no one defender mean, rick your heart, but I
did so because I'm like so body concious still. But
I was too. I was like blooming and I had
all sorts of like all sorts of crazy things. But
I was turning thirty and I was like, I'm going
to therapy about this. I'm not going to go into
a new decade with it. That's how I feel you

(01:09:50):
on that. That's part of all the trauma on that
and so beautiful, by the way, Tyler, it's so beautiful,
so beautiful. Um but but yeah, So I had not
slept at all that night because I was so nervous
to make sure everything was perfect. And the diet pills
make you like wired. Oh yes. So me being so exhausted,

(01:10:10):
I was like, it would beefect to take a diet
pill perfect. Oh god, I'm going to have it was
a do and go, So I'm just gonna alla need
It was like enough energy to get through and I
could just go home nap. And so I had forgot
my blow dryer and a couple of other things at
the salon, and they lived right down the road from
the salon. So I got up early, had taken my

(01:10:33):
diet pill, ready, got dressed, and I just started you
know that It's like white clammy sweat. Oh yes, and
it gets in your mouth. I'm on the way to
their house and I'm like, I'm gonna throw up. I
threw up the entire way to their house, get to
the salon, get my stuff through up again, get to
their house, and I'm like, you need to pull it together.

(01:10:55):
You're about to walk into the Chryslies home and you
can't you know what I mean, your hand can throw
all over myself literally, my hands in your hair and
a professional. Yeah, I'm like, you know, I'm like smell
when I saw him that he was not well. Thank you,
not going well? And so I'm like setting up. And

(01:11:18):
they had like one bathroom. We were in their kitchen
and they had a bathroom on the other side. No,
thank god. Can you imagine diarrhea? Luck? Like she knows
my luck that would happen to me literally, And so anyway,

(01:11:39):
she comes in and of course she's just an angel,
so sweet, loved love her. She's like everyone's mom. Yeah
it's probably American, genuinely. Yeah. She's like what you see
is what you get. She's just so kind and so
she sits down and she was just telling me, like,
you know, my hair falls flat. It's really heavy, um
and I like a lot of ball young and it's thick.

(01:12:00):
It's thick. And so I was like, okay, So I
had my rollers out everything, and I am just like
you know, when you're like hot and sweaty but cold,
and I'm like blow drying her. So I'm getting hotter
and hotter and hotter, and she has a lot of hair.
And here's the problem too, because now you're wanting to
focus on doing your job, but all you're thinking about

(01:12:21):
is how your body's falling apart on you. And I'm like,
did you need to hold it together? Because they had
one bathroom and I could not run around and like
throw up. Hey, they're gonna hear me and be who
was I going to blame it on? Like it was
the housekeeper and so and I'm like doing her makeup
at this and she's watching I'm watching him while doing

(01:12:41):
like her makeup. I'm like, oh, and I'm quiet as
a mouse, and I'm never quiet. And I'm like I
would blow dry section and put a roller in, blow
dry section and put a roller in and i get
to the crown of her head and I'm out of
fucking rollers. So all of this is wet. So now, oh, godly,

(01:13:03):
do you feel terrible inside because your body is like
purging and literally you just learned how to do rollers
yesterday and now you're doing your biggest celebrity client and
you're out of rollers. This is a nightmare. You are dying, Yes,
So then she's going to film up for TV. It
was her nurture system, but it's going to be on TV.

(01:13:23):
I was gonna be on TV. So my thought process was, well,
these in the back of set on longer than the
ones on the top, So I'm gonna take these out
and just work my way up. And I start taking
them out and she goes, what are you doing? Literally
turned around, and I was like, I said something sassy
and was like, you know, I know what I'm doing,
and she was like okay, and like turned back around.

(01:13:46):
And I knew in that moment that she had made
a face to page like because I saw pages reaction
and I was like, I can't worry about that right now.
I just need to get her hair done. Meets, I'm
like the one that needs to be like conk cool
and collected. Oh yeah, everything's going fine, Like your hair
is looking good, like because I'm so because I don't
want my energy to come off is like I'm worried
for him. I want to be like, you're great, You're

(01:14:09):
in good hands, don't worry, but really like you're dying
every sign but like and it was a recommendation from
her page. Your asses on the line so everyone, so
this is awful. Son can beat. Then Savannah comes in.
I had never met her before a celebrity house. Literally
at the worst case scenario. She comes and sits in
the dining room. Savannah does Savannah, and she was trying

(01:14:33):
to be helpful to me, and she was like, she
likes a lot of volume. Well she didn't know that.
Juliet already told me that twice and she's worried about
her hair. So now Savannah saying that, Julie's like, you're
a pressure cooker literally, and I'm entire time, but you've
got the again, so you must have pulled it out
of your asshole. We got through it was it fine,

(01:14:55):
and I was just so nervous because it wasn't as
big as what she wanted, like the volume that she wanted.
It wasn't where she wanted it to be. And I
had so good I'd like teased it and styled it
and stayed about an hour longer than I was supposed to,
just like to make sure it looked good on camera.
And then I left and I went home and crashed,

(01:15:17):
and I woke up like four hours later to a
text from her saying, this is the best my hairs
ever looked. Everyone loved it. And now like the next
couple of times after that, when she shows me what
she wants, it's the reference picture of that. Did she
show the story now? Yes, yes, we told her, And
that just goes to show finish the job. Always do

(01:15:41):
your best. Never bail on doing your best, even if
you're against the middle of it and you feel like
literally you couldn't be crashing and burning more. Then you
get a texting it's the best you've ever had. That's
what you can Never quit on yourself world. They go
on vacation to Florida last year and um, Sarah, my

(01:16:04):
old mentor, had reached out to them to do their hair,
and so they come into the swan down there to
get their blonde on her in Savannah and that's just
on their own about and um, you're in you're in
your energy field. The fact that they just found each
other yea. So um, they started flying Sarah up to
Nashville to do their hair and Sarah needed a salan

(01:16:26):
to do their hair at so I was like, well,
you can just use mine, and she was like, will
you assist me? Will you do the back while I
do the front? And so then they walk in and
they see me and they're like, how do you two
know each other? And so stop it then were living
in purpose. Sarah was like, remember I told you I
have somebody in Nashville to do your hair if I
can't do it, And they were like, yes, it's him,
and they're like, we know Tyler. So that's how I

(01:16:47):
started doing their their cut color and their set styling.
And that just goes to show that it is so
worth following your calling, cleaning stuff out of your life.
It doesn't belong taking those risks, being scared shitless, having
the worst days of your life professionally, and still showing
up with the best a game, you know how, going

(01:17:08):
the extra mile, and then it all continues to move
you to your destiny. But all this stuff happens like
it's not and not everything's going to be perfect some
shining room, right. Not everything's going to be perfect. It's
actually you're gonna probably be opposite of perfect. It's probably
gonna be like a disaster a lot of the times.
You're gonna get tested a lot. But I think like
showing up, I think in your yes and like knowing

(01:17:31):
how to pivot. That's the biggest knowing how when the
hair is flat, what do you do? When it's humid outside,
what do you do and they start to sweat a lot,
what do you do? It's like always figuring away because yes,
and that's what gets you called back. It's not the
hair that you do or the makeup that you do.
I think I think it's your energy. I think it's
how you treat people. I think it's the relationships that

(01:17:54):
you build. And I think it is knowing how to
pivot in those situations. Bouncing off of that. So my
mentor Nadine told me, she was like, you could be
the best makeup artist in the world, but if you're
not a pleasant person to be around, you will not
get those jobs. You can maybe lan those jobs, but

(01:18:15):
you won't be called back because really, truly, the client,
when they're getting their hair makeup done, this is like
their downtime. This is like before they're getting on stage
and they're behind the camera or doing whatever it is
that they're doing. This is their time to just like chill, relax.
They want to make sure that, yes, they want to
make sure that they are around good energy. And you

(01:18:35):
could if you are like being dramatic, or you don't
work well with others, or you have a big ego
and you're combating with other people around you. They're not
going to bring you back on it matter how, no
matter how good makeup is. That is so true. Drop
the Mike. Okay, so Page and Tyler and also m

(01:18:56):
Tyler's gonna cut my hair today. And I called Marissa.
She doesn't my my hairdresser who I normally go to.
Marissa at Carley three, who I loved dearly. She's done
so much great work on my hair. But like we
gotta cutch today. I'm just feeling it you're here. I
was feeling it's too too, too, too too that we're
filming recorded, because that's like a big shift in the universe,
and I am ready to get back to just like

(01:19:18):
who I am. I'm trying to shed these layers and
my hair is grown out so much that it's dark,
and I just want to cut off most of the
wand and kind of just be myself. And Paige, you
said you did that because I've always been defined by
long blonde hair. I felt like I had to have
it to be pretty, to be accepted, to be It's
like an industry norm. I'm tired of trying to be pretty.

(01:19:38):
I just want to be myself. I don't want to
which will make you pretty. I'm tired of trying to
be something to be pretty. I just want to be
beautifully who I am, because that's who my purpose wants
to be. So I feel like this cuts happening. We're
doing it, and I always wrap up this podcasts Leader Life,
which I love your motto. You said it this last

(01:19:59):
thing at Tyler said this your hair is your crown,
and I make queens. But I always say leave your light,
which is basically, how do you live your purpose? How
do you what do you tell people? Like? What do
you want people to know to live their purpose? Just
like drop a little wisdom, Not that this whole thing
has not been so much wisdom. Oh gosh, I don't
the first thing that comes to mind. Don't ever think it,

(01:20:20):
Just what comes? How do you live your perspect leave
your light? What do you want people to know about life?
To live your purpose? So you can't be afraid of
being afraid like you, that is honestly going to happen.
You can't fight the fear. You just have to go

(01:20:42):
with the flow and like know that you're going to
be afraid at some moments in your life, you're not
going to know like what's going to happen. You're always
afraid of the unknown. But you have to trust and
you have to listen to yourself and just go for it.
Do what you got to do and make it work
and don't be afraid it up being afraid. I love that, Okay, Tyler,
take us home. So I feel like I always say,

(01:21:05):
like recession is rejection or recession is um regression and
projection always has a positive outcome. So it goes back
to that, like when you want to sit in something
that's normal or something that you feel safe, and because
it's what you know, you're never going to grow. And
if even if you're just projecting on what you're going
to do in the next six months, what you're going

(01:21:26):
to do in the next year, that's what you're going
to do because you've now set your mind to it.
You have a goal. Now all you need to do
is put a plan together. And UM. Also for work aspects,
I always say, never say no. We would have never
even been in this industry without Temecular Road. That's how

(01:21:49):
we met each other. That's how we met each other. Yes,
they had absolutely no budget because they were a brand
new band. It was our first music video. They just
moved to National just try to now Shville from Temecula, California,
and Um, they were having to fund everything obviously themselves.
They had a manager. He's amazing um and he also
was the one that got us a lot of these

(01:22:11):
connections names Matt and Um. Anyway, I think we shared
like a hundred and fifty dollars a piece that day
and could not afford to eat, so we shared a
grilled cheese at the Grilled Cheese Ory. Yeah, we neither
one of us told each other that, but we just
knew like we were so and from working for a

(01:22:34):
full day for and I. Yeah, and we've just grown
so much from that and with we just thank them
so much. And that's the thing. It came into your
life and you knew it was an opportunity. It felt right.
There was no residn't say it's such a good time.
I also add one more thing, because this is something
that I feel like a lot of people stressed out about,

(01:22:57):
is when they don't reach something in their timeline. Yes,
because my because honestly like when I was like, you know,
still in college, and I was like trying to just
finish my bachelor, so I didn't. I wasn't wasting all
the student loans on nothing. And it was a bachelor
that was I was a degree that wasn't going to
be using. And I was like, well, you know what,

(01:23:17):
I'm gonna be a sebody makeup artist and buy like
twenty some years old, I'm gonna be here, and like
thirty is great to have a timeline and a plan.
I guess it's great to have a plan um and
and it's great to set goals for yourself, but don't
get discouraged if it doesn't reach because honestly, like God's

(01:23:38):
timing is the best timing and He's going to bring
you greater blessings and you could even write down you
can even think of. So create the plan, create the structure,
create some systems, start working towards it. Say yes opportunities,
but then know that there's some energy out there that's
working bigger than you. It's going to bring you these others,
someone that holds you accountable, like we hold each other accountable.

(01:24:00):
We will have dream meetings once every like two to
three months, I love and I write down our goals personal, professional,
and then we'll have it another two or three months
because and you've probably got back and like now things
that were on your dream you've already done. You're like,
that's not even like a hard thing for me to accomplish.
So everything, like she said, it's like a pencil. It
can't be penned and doing so crazy. It's like I

(01:24:22):
am obviously like living out a lot of goals that
I've had before, and I'm still I haven't reached the
ones that I want to reach in the makeup world.
But my purpose is shifting out of makeup, not completely
out of makeup, but God is using makeup to actually
really use that to catapult my purpose. What do you

(01:24:42):
think your purpose is an animal rescue, speaking animals? Oh
my God, sending a more rescue. If it we'll have
to do a follow up podcast on that, but yes,
And that's the thing too. You can evolve and you
don't and people like held so tight to these dreams
because they had to get this one dream. But like,
if you're evolving out of your dream, I've evolved out
of my dream of being country music singer. And then
bodcasting and sharing stories, but like it all, what makes

(01:25:06):
life so beautiful and just so intricate and just so
purposeful and just so unique and so rare. It's just
like it makes it magine. It's so that makes it
worth it. It makes the whole thing worth it. I
love you, Okay, Let's cut my hair. Freaking love you'll okay,

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