Mike shares his dark theory about Andy from Toy Stories along with other theories that have been speculated on the internet about Disney movies. Mike talks to Amateur Movie Critic Allie (@aquillionaire) about the Wizard of Oz reboot that was announced and they give their “Would You Watch This?” casting picks on which actors they would like to see in each role. Plus a review of Judas and the Black Messiah starring Daniel Kaluuya, Lakeith Stanfield and Jesse Plemons.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, and welcome back to Movie Mike's Movie Podcast. Today,
it's gonna get dark, folks. We're talking about dark Disney theories,
some that I have come up with and some that
I have scoured the Internet for. You're either gonna love
or hate this episode. I'm just gonna say it right now.
You're gonna love or I'm going to ruin some Disney
movies for you. Also, since it was announced at the
Wizard of Oz is being remade, I'm gonna bring on
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amateur movie critic Ali and we're gonna give our picks
on who they should cast and that remake. Plus a
spoiler free review of Judas and the Black Messiah without
any further ado, let's get started. In a world where
everyone and their mother has a podcast, one man stands
to infiltrate the ears of listeners like never before in
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a movie podcast. A man with so much movie knowledge,
he's basically like a walking on MTV with classes from
the Nashville Podcast Network. Movie Movie Podcast. Alright, So a
couple episodes back, I went on kind of a rant
in this idea I had after watching Toy Story one
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and two recently, and some people were like, man, you
got way too dark on that theory. But I have
a lot of these, so I decided to compile them together,
some of which I have come up with on my
own about Disney movies that will maybe just change the
way you thought about a Disney movie you saw as
a kid, or just overall ruin a Disney movie for you.
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And then I've also scoured the internet, went on Reddit
and a bunch of kind of fan dairy sites to
find what other people had to say about Disney movies.
And I'm trying to find the most interesting ones, the
ones that actually had some kind of way of making sense.
So we shall call this dark Disney Theories. Let's go
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all right, So let's start first with the one I
came up with on my own after watching Toy Story
one and Toy Story two again for the I don't
know tenth time in the last ten years. But I
was watching this movie and there's just something about Andy's
character in if you're familiar with Toy Story, you know
that he lacks a father figures throughout the entire thing.
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There's just nothing that you know about his father, even
about his mom. You don't know a whole lot. And
there's also not a whole lot of kids outside of
Andy in Toy Story. Now later you have some kids
down the line in Toy Story three, But really it's
just about Andy and his toys. Now, there are some
theories about Toy Story that's say that it's just about
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Andy's mom and his dad going through a divorce, that's
why you never see him. But I think it's a
lot deeper than that. I think it's actually about Andy
coping with the death of his father. Now there's a
little bit of evidence here and that you don't really
get to know Andy's father. You don't really see him.
In my theory, way I came up with this and
kind of his attachment to toys is that Woody was
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a gift to him from his dad, and that's why
he's his favorite. That's why he plays with them all
the time. Has crafted his room to be a shrine
to Woody, and it was kind of him growing up
a little bit. Once he got buzz Light, you introduced
him to his life and changed a little bit. That
you see Andy's growth. But I think that's why he's
really kept a lot of his toys around. They were
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all just gifts from his parents. In particular, his dad,
because when you think about how he grows over the
years and you go from him being a kid to
being in college, that somehow he has kept all these
same toys with him all the way to college. I
can't think of any toys I kept with me all
the way through college. So I think there's some kind
of attachment he has to the toys he owns, and
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that's why he takes such great care of him, and
that's why he just keeps him in his life because
he has this attachment to them because he lost his father,
and that's him kind of holding onto that memory. Again,
it's a pretty dark theory, and I just think there's
some other kind of layer of Andy that you don't
really get to know. And even if you rewatch that
first one, I kind of noticed at the birthday party,
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all the other kids attending the birthday party are all
versions of Andy. Now, this is kind of a weird
thing to bring up, but I think it really has
to do with the animation. At that time, they didn't
have enough money or the technology to create a bunch
of different characters for this movie, So if you look closely,
it's all just Andy, but in different clothing. So that
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kind of adds to my theory of he's created this
whole world where everything's kind of in his control with
his toys and preserving this memory. So that is my
theory about toy story. This next theory is about the
Lion King and I saw this one recently on TikTok
and it's basically saying that Scar eight mofos And when
you think about the Lion King, Scar is really the
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best Disney villain of all time and really in any
kind of movie. I think Scar is the greatest villain.
Why because he actually gets things done. Like there's so
many villains in so many movies to where they reveal
their plan and the plan just by the end of
it gets destroyed. It never happens, or it happens to
an extent, and they just get taken over by the hero,
which is what you want to see in the movie.
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But when Scar, his ultimate evil plan actually happens and
he's actually able to go pretty hardcore by killing Mufassa
and then takes over Pride Rock and is just raining
and really just taking everything to crap. But he did it.
Unlike other supervillains, he actually falls through this plan. Of course,
he gets defeated by Simba later and it's all great
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and everything, but he actually gets things done as a villain.
But the theory is that Scar actually ate Mufassa after
killing him, because in the movie, you remember, you know
they're on the cliff. He throws him off and he dies,
but you never really see Mufassa's body afterward it moves
on to Simba story. But you would probably think that
the hyenas ate him. But if you research that hyenas
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actually don't eat lions. They will attack and kill cubs,
but they won't kill and eat lions. It's usually the
lions killing them, so there's that in attack. Maybe they
didn't eat him. And the reason people think that Scar
mu foster is because when later in the movie where
he's kind of talking to Zazo and he's playing around
with the skull, he's playing around with what appears to
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be a lion skull. So somebody took that image of
Scar with that skull and compared it to a real
lion school they actually look praising similar. So the theory
is Scar went full villain, killed mu Fossa and then
ate him the greatest villain ever. Ladies and gentlemen. All right,
and if you're hoping for things to get any lighter,
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I am sorry to inform you they are not. We're
gonna get a little bit darker here. I'll try to
get a little bit more up lifting later in the episode.
But this is called dark Disney Theories. We're going dark, people,
So I think some of you guys will enjoy this
and some of you listening will ultimately hate this. But
I wanted to commit to this episode because it fulfilled
me doing something I've always wanted to do. So let
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me know what you think about it from this moment on,
because we're about to get dark now. You may remember
the movie Up, a classic from Two Days nine. It's
about Carl Frederickson, seventy eight year old balloon salesman, living
out his lifelong dream of essentially tying a bunch of
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balloons to his house and flying away after his wife dies,
bringing along Russell, who was just there to sell him something,
and that's the whole movie. Then bonding and learning about
each other, and it's a great story and it's really
emotional movie, mainly because of the opening scene where his
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wife dies. Within the first five minutes of the movie,
it just hits you right in the gut. And I
remember watching this movie in theaters being like, oh my gosh,
this is the saddest thing I've ever seen, so for
a Disney movie to punch you in the gut so soon.
The theory is that Karl Frederickson was actually dead the
entire time, and I could see a little bit of
truth to this one. You think about seeing news stories
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of you know, people dying in their late seventies and
their eighties and nineties, and you know they've married for
so many years. One passes away and sometimes the other
one is just short to follow. It's really the most
awful thing you can hear about. And they're just so
heartbroken that they pass away too, and it's sad. And
the whole theory about Up is that that's what happened here.
His wife dies, he's unable to process the grief, and
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he passes away too, and the entire movie is really
just his journey into the afterlife, and it's Russell trying
to get him there, like Russell's like his guardian Annual,
trying to get him to heaven. So as if this
movie wasn't sad enough already, if you think about this,
it kind of makes sense. The whole symbol of the
balloons of the house flying away, of trying to reach
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this place that they had both dreamed of to be together.
It's kind of like him wanting to be reunited with
her in that special place, you know, that place they
were talking about and saved up for. And it's Russell
and later Dug the Dog who allow him to achieve that.
And you think about it, we haven't seen an up
part two such a successful movie to not have a
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follow up which picks our doesn't do that a whole lot,
which I don't like, but it kind of makes sense.
So make a sadder movie just that much more sad.
We just did it, folks. All right, we'll stay in
the realm of figments of your imagination and get a
little bit more dark here. Now, we all remember Finding
Nemo and another Disney Pixar movie that really conda hte
you in the gut. At the very beginning is when
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you find out about the attack that killed his mother
and his other siblings, and Nemo is basically the one
that survived, which is why his dad Marlin is so
overprotective of him. And even though he was born with
a defect. He just tries everything to just keep him safe,
and it kind of means, you know, limiting to him
and being like a regular fish, and you really get
a kind of grasp for his dad's kind of overall
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sadness and just grief and why he's just being so
overprotective because he doesn't want to lose Nemo like he
did his mom. The theory though, is that Nemo didn't
actually survive the attack and all of finding Nemo is
just Marlon going through the stages of grief that he
has just created a figment of Nemo in his head
that he survived, and the whole movie is him just
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kind of playing that grief and imagining that Nemo was
there the whole time, but really there's no Nemo, and
he's trying to find Nemo throughout the entire movie, going
along and asking all these people, and they're trying to
help him, but they kind of realized, like, this guy
is not all there. We're just going to kind of
help him, which kind of makes more sense when he
runs into Door for the first time. And people online
have gone as far as breaking down why Nemo's name
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is Nemo, and actually the Latin word means nothing being
in turn that Nemo does not exist and nothing more
than a figment of his imagination. And then all the
five stages of grief are played out through the entire movie.
So finding Nemo didn't really happen. He never found Nemo.
That's sad alright. This next one is the last super
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dark twisted one. The other ones they are a little
more lighthearted, but again we're committing to the themae here
of keeping things dark. So let's talk about Peter Pan,
a really old classic movie I remember watching on VHS
and there's something about a hume of a VHS player
and the way it looks on a big old tube
TV that really gives a heightened quality I think to
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the movie Peter Pan. And I always thought the overall
story of Peter Pan was a little weird, you know,
Peter Pan coming flying in through their window and taking
them away to Neverland. Something just seemed a bit off,
like where did they go? Why don't their parents go
look for them? What is really happening here? And the
theory is that Peter Pan is actually the angel of
Death and he holds the hands of children on the
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way to heaven. A k a. Neverland when they die.
Let that scene in for a little bit, and suddenly
Peter Pan makes a lot more sense, at least in
this dark tone. So then you start thinking about the
other parts of the movie, and you think about Neverland,
you think about the Lost Boys, and maybe that's why
they actually don't ever grow up. It kind of makes
a little bit of sense because by the time they
get to Neverland, they're already dead. They're gonna be the
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same age they're gonna be forever, and it's the age
where they died, which is sadly they're all kids. So
the theory goes a little further that Peter Pan this
kind of angel of death and that hook is some
sort of devil or something. But it makes a little
bit of sense, at least for me, Like that just
kind of puts a little bit more into perspective of
why that movie is the way it is, and the
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story is told that way, and there's even a little
bit more truth to it. And not only that, but
the original author, Peter Pan, whose name is J. M. Barry,
his brother actually died at the age of thirteen, leading
some to believe that this is where the idea came from.
All Right, we'll move off death for a little bit,
at least in some capacity, but we'll move on to
how Wally and a bug's life are a little bit connected.
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And there's a bigger theory of how all the Pixar
movies are connected, but we're just looking at the dark
ones today. But Wally kind of has a whole overall
dark theme to it, of the way the world gets
overrun with technology and just that whole kind of thing.
But at the end of Wally, after he's done saving
the human race, he planned a tree, and some say
that tree resembles the same tree in a bug's life.
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So if it's the same tree, they're saying that a
bug's life actually takes place away in the future when
humans no longer exist. Because you think about it, you
don't see any humans in a bug's life. Even though
the bugs in the movie have learned human things, they
think they just learned them over time from the humans.
But it's in a world where no humans exist. So
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maybe you watch that movie and thought it was just
in some distant place somewhere out in the middle of nowhere,
it could actually be in your very hometown where you
and none of your loved ones no longer live. There's
also a similar theory when it comes to the movie
Cars that that's also set so far in the future
in a world where animals no longer exist because of pollution,
So you don't see any other animals in that movie
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because they all died off. I kind of just like
this idea of Disney's taking place in some kind of
dystopian future where everybody else has gone and it's just
like talking animals and bugs. There's also a way older
theory about Alice in Wonderland, where basically the entire movie
is just her hallucinating on drugs and none of that
stuff actually happened, which is probably believable. That movie came
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out in the fifties, people were experimenting. There's a lot
of evidence about this one. It seems like a kids movie,
but it could just be somebody tripping on drugs. The
entire movie movie is very weird, so it's very likely.
And the final one here. There's actually some truth too
that the movie Frozen. You know, it's about on on
Elsa their relationship as sisters, but there's a whole underlying
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theory that it's actually a political statement about climate change.
And I remember when this movie came out. I didn't
watch Frozen until about last year, but one of the
main things I remember hearing about was it wasn't really
a kids movie. It was this a whole theory about
global warming. And when I watched it for the first
time last year, I kind of forgot about that what
people said that Disney kind of did this to place
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it in the minds of young kids watching the movie,
that if we don't do things about pollution and destroying
the environment, that old Off would die and melt away.
You'd never get to give him a warm muck. And
who's to say about this? And you know, people make
these movies, they have ideas about the world. Sometimes they
try to work them in. At least they're not doing
what they used to do back in the nineties and
working like dirty words or dirty things into the background.
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Remember when that was the thing? Like I remember, that
was the only reason I wanted to get a physical
copy of The Little Mermaid because of what people said
was on the cover. If you don't know about that,
I don't suggest you google that. There's a lot surrounding
The Little Mermaid about hidden things in that movie, and
there's also someone with the Lion King. I haven't really
seen any of that recently, which it could have been
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back in the day that they were just like, you
know what, let's just throw this in here. Nobody's really
gonna know about it. There's no internet for people to
dive in and break these movies down and tell everybody
our secrets. They were only really seeing it in theaters
and on VHS. It would be a lot harder now
to work in something dirty to a Disney movie. Not
to say they haven't been successful yet. These movies are
very detailed. You can't watch everything going on in the background.
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But hey, I feel like somebody would pull those out
if that were true. But anyway, this has been dark
Disney theories. Hope you guys enjoyed that, and hopefully you
can still watch these movies the same way before I
gave you my thoughts. All Right, So the news that
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came out last week because they are renewing The Wizard
of All is making a remake after many times they've
done this movie, and they have on with me now,
amateur movie critic Ali, how's it going, Alley doing? While
thanks for having me on the podcast. So you do
this thing on your Instagram all the time that I love.
It's would you watch this? So I think this is
what this segment is kind of based off, are you
okay with me? Kind of ripping off your segment that
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you do on Instagram. Absolutely, it's here for the public.
So now that this Wizard of Oz is coming out,
I think they kind of have to go a different cast.
They're going to different feel. It's the director from The
Watchman doing it, and they're saying it's not going to
be a musical. So I just thought it would be
fun to go back and forth and think of, like,
who we want to be in this movie. So first
up with Dorothy, hit me with who you have? Okay,
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Dorothy's is the hardest one for me. I feel like
they could go so many different way is I don't
know if they want to do older Dorsey, younger Dorsey,
however that's gonna work. Um, I think looks Wise, I
would go with someone like Hayley Steinfeld. I know it's
a little bit bold of a choice, but she is
acting a lot these days. If they do make her
saying she's ready for it, I think Looks for Wise,
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she really nails it. That's a pretty good one. I
had Anya Taylor Joy from The Queen's Gambit, like, look wise,
I just think that's kind of where they would go
with Dorothy and also, I mean, coming off The Queen's
gamb but I think that's kind of a great fit
for What do you think about that one? I love that.
I'm obsessed with her, so I fully support that one
as well. Do you think I mean, the Wizard of
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Oz has such an awful history, do you think they
would make this movie like, Okay, we realized that it
was just so awful and back. I mean they made
the first one in nine, But you think going into
this movie the actors are thinking like, hey, we're not
gonna do who he did before? Do you Yeah? I
don't know. I feel like there's so much that can
be done to change the history like the movie, and
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you know, I feel like there's so much issue with
like Jete Garland and like all these different things. I
think they're wanting to change, so hopefully it will be
like a more progressive version of the movie. So who
do you have for the Cowardly Lion? Okay, cowardly Lions.
I would love to see someone like the vid Digs
in this. I feel like he's really getting on the
acting train. Um. I feel like you can do like
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accents and like characters really well. So i'd love to
see him try that. I had Dan Levy here, and
I think it's because I just came off a big
Ship's Creek kind of binge over the last year. But
I don't know. I think it kind of fits him
pretty well, and we haven't really seen him in such
a big movie like this. I think that's a great
start for him. Oh he's precious. I feel like that
would just be the sweetest character. Because they're trying to
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do this fresh take, I feel they have to include
just people that are going to change it a little bit.
I know people are going to complain already that they're
remaking this and you know, ruining the first one. But
I think if they're going to remake it at this point,
it has to be something just so different, and to
think that it makes like a reason to do it right. Yeah. Absolutely,
Who do you have as the tin man man? This
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one could go a lot different ways. I would like
to see like Neil Patrick Harris do something like this.
I feel like he's quirky it's funny. He's got a
lot of personality that like brings to the character, and
so I feel like you could do that really well.
I could see that too. And the thing about the
Tin Man, isn't he just like really creepy and weird?
Did he freak you out when you've watched the first one,
the original? Oh for sure, especially when they're like usually
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like oiling him up at the very beginning and he's
just like so bizarre, You're like, Okay, this is kind
of a fever dream. I don't really know what to
do with him. I think that's something about the Witches
of Laws. Like this movie kind of gave me nightmares
as the kid, and I remember, I remember it was
specifically with the tin Man, Like I think I had
a dream where he was chasing after me with like
an ax or something, trying to kill me. Oh interesting,
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See mine was the flying monkeys. I was really afraid
they were coming going to come get me. Then what
is wrong with this movie like being a kids movie
and terrorizing kids? I feel like a lot of people
kind of had that relationship with this movie of some
thing about it, not only the origin story of like
the awful things that happened on set, but all like
the rumors surrounding it and just being a creepy movie, Like, yeah,
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it's just something like tormenting about the tin Man to me,
But I had I had Harry Styles okay, Okay, that
would bring me to the next one. I had Harry
Styles down as potentially the Scarecrow. Okay. Why? Why do
you think Harry Styles fits this movie in either The
Tin Man or The Scarecrow? Honestly, I just love that
he's moved into the acting scene. He is just precious
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and adorable and I love him. I feel like he
could bring a lot of um like warmth to the
Scarecrow character. I could totally see him like getting down
with that. When you watch a movie that Harry Styles
is in, do you still see him as a kid
from one Direction or as just Harry Style as a musician,
or do you kind of able to separate that when
you watch him. I feel like after watching him in
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Dunkirk and just like seeing him in such an intense
role where he was just like swimming in like cold
water and having to do that whole thing, I feel
like he's really made a good leap from the one
Direction scene and seeing him as like a kid. Um.
I very much seen him as like a grown adult
who is able to, like I think, hopefully master these
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upcoming roles that he has lined up. I felt the
same way about what I'm watching that, But I had
him as the tin man for the Scarecrows where you
had him, I had lin Manuel Miranda there, and I
kind of the same thing you said earlier. If he
had to sing, I think you could bust into it.
And he also kind of has that kind of can
be fun, can bring some vibrant and kind of feel
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to to the role. I think he kind of fitted
the scarecrow. Yeah. I can absolutely see that you have
any honorable mentions. Honorable mentions, um for those I think
with Dorothy, there are a couple other ways that could
do it. I think if they wanted to do like
a more age appropriate UM casting of that, I was
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gonna say. McKenna gray, Um, she's from you know, I
watched her The Hunting of Hell how Susan Troope zero.
She's like an actual teenager, so I could definitely see
them they're trying to plant like age wise. I can
definitely see her that one. Do you have anything planned
next that you're going to do for would you watch
because you kind of do a theme each time, right, Yeah,
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So I have some good ones up my sleeve. Beme wise,
I think we might go with like old Disney stars
growing up and thinking a lot about you know, like
Colon Drove and Sprouse. I want to integrate them some way. Yeah.
It's just a fun game that I like to play. It,
like to get people's opinions on if they would watch,
you know, rebooted Moodies with just crazy people. Some of
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them I think really would work out, and some of
them are just absolutely insane castings that I cout with
this head. So I like to see what people think
about them. I gotta it's a little frustrating sometimes because
you nail them so perfectly, and I'm like, why don't
they make this? Like why are they listening to all
these Absolutely, if I can get paid to do this,
I absolutely would, but I'm no casting agent, but I
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wish I was. All Right, if you're listening now, I
want to go check out Alley on Instagram. She is
at a quillionaire. That's a q U I L L
I O N A I R E. I got it right,
A Quillionaire. Yeah, it's perfect like millionaire, but with a
quill in front of it. There you Well, thanks Ally
for being on the podcast. Thanks so much. Al Right,
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it is time for another spoiler free movie review today.
I'm talking about Judas and the Black Missile, which is
available for free to stream if you already have HBO Max.
If not, you're gonna have to go to the movie
with you to see this one and overall a really
powerful movie when I wasn't expected to really get me
riled up the way it did. Before I get into
my review, here's just a little bit of Judas and
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the Black Messiah. You're looking at eighteen months for the
stolen car, five years for impersonating a federal officer. Oh,
you can go home, a formative Rainbow Press. Brothers and
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sister have they're ever Their aim is just so hatred
and inspire terror. These ain't no terrors. So let's get
into what this movie is about. It's essentially a movie
about betrayal based on a true story. So if you're
into watching movies based on true events, he can go
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back and research, which I am. I think you'll really
enjoy this movie. The story follows a guy named William O'Neill,
and he turns into an FBI informant after he commits
this crime trying to actually impersonate FBI agent in order
to steal this car from these guys. He gets busted
taken in. They're like, all right, you can do five
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to seven years in prison or you can go free.
Right now. We can offer you this deal to infiltrate
the Illinois Black Panther Party, and you gotta take down
this guy by the name of Fred Hampton. And that's
what he does. He takes the deal and serves as
their informant to essentially bring down this chapter of the
Black Panther Party by taking down and Fred Hampton, who
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is the chairman and their leader. And throughout the movie
you kind of learn more about this guy, what the
Black Panther Party is trying to do, and overall just
what the FBI has done to use informants to take
them down, and just some really shady things going on
here that really just kind of makes you want to
throw something at the TV screen while you're watching this,
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you kind of get that passionate about it. And not
only that, I think the movie does a really great
job of creating this drama making it feel realistic like
you're there in the sixties, and has like a very
sixties feel to it with like a modern look. But
there's just something about the way they were able to
place it in that time period that really made this
one feel like an important movie we need to watch
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right now. And you have just a really great cast here,
Daniel Klua who was in Get Out, in Black Panther.
You also have la Keith Stanfield who was in Started
to Bother You, Knives Out and one of my favorite
TV shows, Atlanta. And then you have Jesse Plemont, who
is pretty much in every single, like big dramatic movie now. Like,
if you know that Jesse Plemons is going to be
in a movie, it's probably at least pretty good, Like
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you must have the best agent ever getting him these
awesome gigs, because he's like every great movie right now.
And he's also kind of somebody that you see his face,
maybe don't know his name, but he's been in so
much it's quite impressive. So overall, just a really great
story about a revolution in this betrayal, and this movie
goes for it. It's violent, it's disturbing, but the message
is clear. So I think that's a really important part
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when doing a movie like this. It's clear the entire time.
And if Lakeith doesn't get nominated or something after this,
I think you have something really wrong going on. So
I give this movie four out of five stabs in
the back and probably easily the best movie I've seen
so far in one. I know we're only like halfway
through February, but I just thought it was fantastic. If
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you have HBO Max, check it out if you're comfortable
going to a movie theater and see it there too.
And it is free on HBO Max. By the way,
I know if you're already paid for the subscription, it
doesn't feel free, but you don't have to pay that
extra add on. All the HBO Max movies are free.
Time Now with some movie news, like my newscaster voice
I scared. You have my co host San Fiance here
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with me to talk about some movie news. And first
we'll start out with Bamar Jara, who went on a
drunken I don't want to call it that tirade, but
it kind of a meltdown on his Instagram and he
kind of I feel like he does this every I
don't know a year or so where he kind of
breaks down. But they're supposed to be filming the new
Jackass and now he's been kicked off of the movie. Yeah,
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so here's a clip of Bamar Jara is now deleted
Instagram video. I'm not in Jackass for If anybody cares
about me, don't go see their movie, because I will
make mine way rat if you just ben MOOI me
a dollar. Jackass does not care about me. I understand that.
Ladies and gentlemen and still about me. Spike Jones about me,
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and Tremaine I still don't know yet boycott Jackass. So
he's telling people to in him money to his personal
Venmo account and he will go out and make a
better Jackass movie. And I just feel really bad for him,
Like I know he has a lot going on beyond
his struggles with alcohol and drugs and depression and all
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these things. He's saying that they were monitoring him and
being very just putting him in a place to where
he couldn't do the movie, and now just kicking him
out and nobody cares about him. I honestly think they
want him to get better. Everything I've seen of them
trying to help out Bam over your years with his struggles.
It's them just wanting him to get better. And I
don't I feel like he's getting attacked, like he feels
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that way, but I don't know. I just feel ultimately
like kind of sad. Yeah, that made me sad to hear.
It's hard to hear and somebody who I like looked
up to as a kid, and I mean not like
I wanted to be like him. But you did get
pepper sprayed. I did get pepper sprayed recently, which I
haven't talked about on here. Do we want to dress
that at all? If you listen to the Bobby Bones show,
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it was my Really the thing started with you. Let's
stop back on me. Well, the idea came from you
had pepper spray. I got a new pepper spray to
carry with me, and you wanted me to pepper spray
you to make sure it works. And I said I
don't think so. And I was like, we'll just do it,
make a video and we'll see if it actually works.
Because I always wondered, truly, if you were in a
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situation where you needed to use it, would it actually work?
And then I was like, well, I'll just get pepper
spray and then I kind of want to see what
it felt like. And then I'll admit it was also
Jackass inspired. Yeah, your Instagram caption was high immked, welcome
to jack And I'll admit as far as like that
thing was so Jackass inspired, and it was part of
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me wanting to recreate things they did in the beginning,
even the stuff I referenced about. I don't know if
you listen to the radio show when we talked about
it initially, but I said another thing I wanted to
try out was the safety best getting shot with one.
But for anyone listening, I am glaring at him, but
I was joking because that's what Johnny Knoxville did whenever
you need to stop your obsession. That was his entire bit.
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The way Jackass was created was he was testing out
safety equipment. He sprayed himself with pepper spray, got shot
with a stun gun, and then went out in the
middle of nowhere. He ended up shooting himself with a
bullet proof vest because nobody else wanted to do it.
But that's where this whole thing came from, and your
stunt time, I'm done with it. I felt the pain
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of pepper spray and I'm good. I lived out my
dream of being like one of the people from Jackass,
and I'm good you came home looking like you were crying.
Like it was it is. It is very intense, and
if you go watch the video on my Instagram at
Mike Destro, you can see the entire stages of it.
But that's a sixty second video. Was actually more of
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like a two hour process because for fifteen minutes I
couldn't open my eyes without him burning intensely, and then
for a good thirty minutes it was still burning. I
still haven't watched the video. Yeah, you probably wouldn't wanted to,
but then it works, and I feel a lot more
comfortable if you were to take that with you and
needed to use it, that it would actually stune somebody,
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which it's supposed to do. It burns like you wouldn't believe.
And not only that, but I didn't even know how
red it was until I watched the video, and it
looks like hot sauce was thrown into my face. Aside
from it burning in my eyes, it also dripped down
into my mouth and was burning, and you had some
effects of that too. So yeah, sorry about that one.
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Very chivalrous attempt to prove that pepper. Yeah, so it works. Um,
but anyway, Jack asked four not starring me. Also in
movie news, Sandra Bullock has joined a new Brad Pitt
movie and it's basically a bunch of a listers. It's
a movie called Bullet Train and the Cats is pretty good.
It's Brad Pitt, Sandra Bullock and Lady Gaga and also
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Bad Bunny. It sounds like an interesting movie. I love
Sandra Bullock. You do love Sandra Bullock. What is your
favorite Sandra Bullock movie? The Proposal? Okay, runner up? Hope Floats.
It's a classic Harry Conning Jr. Filmed in Smithville, like
right outside of Austin. And also in movie news, shy
La buff announced he is taking a break from acting
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and going in to get some care after those allegations
came out of physical abuse from his X. So what
do you think of people that announced their taking a break.
I think it's a response of allegations and saying that
you need to go away for a minute. Why do
you think there's something else behind it? Oh? No, I
just wonder. I guess I think about it in terms
of like influencer culture on Instagram and everyone's like, hey, guys,
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I'm not gonna be on here tomorrow. It is weird
to announce like on social media. It is another weird
to announce that you're taking a break. Like we think
that people are paying attention to everything we post all
the time, and sometimes I feel that way, like I
haven't posted it while people are gonna worry or think
something and literally nobody notices. It's both a good and
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a bad thing. It's a good thing because you know,
nobody really cares and you're not. People aren't as focused
on you as you think they are, so you could,
i don't know, go away for a minute and not
be a big deal. But also it's kind of sad
to think nobody really cares about you, Like, oh, you
could go away for a while and people be like, oh,
he was away. It is weird to announce that you're
taking a break. Let just take a break. You don't
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need to tell everybody that I'm not going to be
on Instagram for a while. You're kind of already seeking
attention and saying that I'm taking a break by taking
a break. Just take the break. Well, I feel like
when Cameron Diaz announced she was retiring from acting, like
she could have just not done anything else. Yeah, I don't.
I just wonder about like these formal announcements. I didn't
really know that she had retired from acting until I
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just realized that she wasn't in any movies for a while.
And then I was like, oh, she actually announced that
she's not acting anymore. See. I feel like you would
just realize it eventually. I don't know. Okay. Also, every
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(34:39):
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would be boring. It would be very boring. If you
love Jackass too, we just be two Jackasses in here. Well. Anyway,
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Hello, and welcome back to Movie Mike's Movie Podcast. Today,
it's gonna get dark, folks. We're talking about dark Disney theories,
some that I have come up with and some that
I have scoured the Internet for. You're either gonna love
or hate this episode. I'm just gonna say it right now.
You're gonna love or I'm going to ruin some Disney
movies for you. Also, since it was announced at the
Wizard of Oz is being remade, I'm gonna bring on
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amateur movie critic Ali and we're gonna give our picks
on who they should cast and that remake. Plus a
spoiler free review of Judas and the Black Messiah without
any further ado, let's get started. In a world where
everyone and their mother has a podcast, one man stands
to infiltrate the ears of listeners like never before in
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a movie podcast. A man with so much movie knowledge,
he's basically like a walking on MTV with classes from
the Nashville Podcast Network. Movie Movie Podcast. Alright, So a
couple episodes back, I went on kind of a rant
in this idea I had after watching Toy Story one
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and two recently, and some people were like, man, you
got way too dark on that theory. But I have
a lot of these, so I decided to compile them together,
some of which I have come up with on my
own about Disney movies that will maybe just change the
way you thought about a Disney movie you saw as
a kid, or just overall ruin a Disney movie for you.
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And then I've also scoured the internet, went on Reddit
and a bunch of kind of fan dairy sites to
find what other people had to say about Disney movies.
And I'm trying to find the most interesting ones, the
ones that actually had some kind of way of making sense.
So we shall call this dark Disney Theories. Let's go
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all right, So let's start first with the one I
came up with on my own after watching Toy Story
one and Toy Story two again for the I don't
know tenth time in the last ten years. But I
was watching this movie and there's just something about Andy's
character in if you're familiar with Toy Story, you know
that he lacks a father figures throughout the entire thing.
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There's just nothing that you know about his father, even
about his mom. You don't know a whole lot. And
there's also not a whole lot of kids outside of
Andy in Toy Story. Now later you have some kids
down the line in Toy Story three, But really it's
just about Andy and his toys. Now, there are some
theories about Toy Story that's say that it's just about
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Andy's mom and his dad going through a divorce, that's
why you never see him. But I think it's a
lot deeper than that. I think it's actually about Andy
coping with the death of his father. Now there's a
little bit of evidence here and that you don't really
get to know Andy's father. You don't really see him.
In my theory, way I came up with this and
kind of his attachment to toys is that Woody was
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a gift to him from his dad, and that's why
he's his favorite. That's why he plays with them all
the time. Has crafted his room to be a shrine
to Woody, and it was kind of him growing up
a little bit. Once he got buzz Light, you introduced
him to his life and changed a little bit. That
you see Andy's growth. But I think that's why he's
really kept a lot of his toys around. They were
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all just gifts from his parents. In particular, his dad,
because when you think about how he grows over the
years and you go from him being a kid to
being in college, that somehow he has kept all these
same toys with him all the way to college. I
can't think of any toys I kept with me all
the way through college. So I think there's some kind
of attachment he has to the toys he owns, and
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that's why he takes such great care of him, and
that's why he just keeps him in his life because
he has this attachment to them because he lost his father,
and that's him kind of holding onto that memory. Again,
it's a pretty dark theory, and I just think there's
some other kind of layer of Andy that you don't
really get to know. And even if you rewatch that
first one, I kind of noticed at the birthday party,
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all the other kids attending the birthday party are all
versions of Andy. Now, this is kind of a weird
thing to bring up, but I think it really has
to do with the animation. At that time, they didn't
have enough money or the technology to create a bunch
of different characters for this movie, So if you look closely,
it's all just Andy, but in different clothing. So that
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kind of adds to my theory of he's created this
whole world where everything's kind of in his control with
his toys and preserving this memory. So that is my
theory about toy story. This next theory is about the
Lion King and I saw this one recently on TikTok
and it's basically saying that Scar eight mofos And when
you think about the Lion King, Scar is really the
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best Disney villain of all time and really in any
kind of movie. I think Scar is the greatest villain.
Why because he actually gets things done. Like there's so
many villains in so many movies to where they reveal
their plan and the plan just by the end of
it gets destroyed. It never happens, or it happens to
an extent, and they just get taken over by the hero,
which is what you want to see in the movie.
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But when Scar, his ultimate evil plan actually happens and
he's actually able to go pretty hardcore by killing Mufassa
and then takes over Pride Rock and is just raining
and really just taking everything to crap. But he did it.
Unlike other supervillains, he actually falls through this plan. Of course,
he gets defeated by Simba later and it's all great
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and everything, but he actually gets things done as a villain.
But the theory is that Scar actually ate Mufassa after
killing him, because in the movie, you remember, you know
they're on the cliff. He throws him off and he dies,
but you never really see Mufassa's body afterward it moves
on to Simba story. But you would probably think that
the hyenas ate him. But if you research that hyenas
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actually don't eat lions. They will attack and kill cubs,
but they won't kill and eat lions. It's usually the
lions killing them, so there's that in attack. Maybe they
didn't eat him. And the reason people think that Scar
mu foster is because when later in the movie where
he's kind of talking to Zazo and he's playing around
with the skull, he's playing around with what appears to
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be a lion skull. So somebody took that image of
Scar with that skull and compared it to a real
lion school they actually look praising similar. So the theory
is Scar went full villain, killed mu Fossa and then
ate him the greatest villain ever. Ladies and gentlemen. All right,
and if you're hoping for things to get any lighter,
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I am sorry to inform you they are not. We're
gonna get a little bit darker here. I'll try to
get a little bit more up lifting later in the episode.
But this is called dark Disney Theories. We're going dark, people,
So I think some of you guys will enjoy this
and some of you listening will ultimately hate this. But
I wanted to commit to this episode because it fulfilled
me doing something I've always wanted to do. So let
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me know what you think about it from this moment on,
because we're about to get dark now. You may remember
the movie Up, a classic from Two Days nine. It's
about Carl Frederickson, seventy eight year old balloon salesman, living
out his lifelong dream of essentially tying a bunch of
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balloons to his house and flying away after his wife dies,
bringing along Russell, who was just there to sell him something,
and that's the whole movie. Then bonding and learning about
each other, and it's a great story and it's really
emotional movie, mainly because of the opening scene where his
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wife dies. Within the first five minutes of the movie,
it just hits you right in the gut. And I
remember watching this movie in theaters being like, oh my gosh,
this is the saddest thing I've ever seen, so for
a Disney movie to punch you in the gut so soon.
The theory is that Karl Frederickson was actually dead the
entire time, and I could see a little bit of
truth to this one. You think about seeing news stories
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of you know, people dying in their late seventies and
their eighties and nineties, and you know they've married for
so many years. One passes away and sometimes the other
one is just short to follow. It's really the most
awful thing you can hear about. And they're just so
heartbroken that they pass away too, and it's sad. And
the whole theory about Up is that that's what happened here.
His wife dies, he's unable to process the grief, and
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he passes away too, and the entire movie is really
just his journey into the afterlife, and it's Russell trying
to get him there, like Russell's like his guardian Annual,
trying to get him to heaven. So as if this
movie wasn't sad enough already, if you think about this,
it kind of makes sense. The whole symbol of the
balloons of the house flying away, of trying to reach
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this place that they had both dreamed of to be together.
It's kind of like him wanting to be reunited with
her in that special place, you know, that place they
were talking about and saved up for. And it's Russell
and later Dug the Dog who allow him to achieve that.
And you think about it, we haven't seen an up
part two such a successful movie to not have a
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follow up which picks our doesn't do that a whole lot,
which I don't like, but it kind of makes sense.
So make a sadder movie just that much more sad.
We just did it, folks. All right, we'll stay in
the realm of figments of your imagination and get a
little bit more dark here. Now, we all remember Finding
Nemo and another Disney Pixar movie that really conda hte
you in the gut. At the very beginning is when
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you find out about the attack that killed his mother
and his other siblings, and Nemo is basically the one
that survived, which is why his dad Marlin is so
overprotective of him. And even though he was born with
a defect. He just tries everything to just keep him safe,
and it kind of means, you know, limiting to him
and being like a regular fish, and you really get
a kind of grasp for his dad's kind of overall
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sadness and just grief and why he's just being so
overprotective because he doesn't want to lose Nemo like he
did his mom. The theory though, is that Nemo didn't
actually survive the attack and all of finding Nemo is
just Marlon going through the stages of grief that he
has just created a figment of Nemo in his head
that he survived, and the whole movie is him just
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kind of playing that grief and imagining that Nemo was
there the whole time, but really there's no Nemo, and
he's trying to find Nemo throughout the entire movie, going
along and asking all these people, and they're trying to
help him, but they kind of realized, like, this guy
is not all there. We're just going to kind of
help him, which kind of makes more sense when he
runs into Door for the first time. And people online
have gone as far as breaking down why Nemo's name
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is Nemo, and actually the Latin word means nothing being
in turn that Nemo does not exist and nothing more
than a figment of his imagination. And then all the
five stages of grief are played out through the entire movie.
So finding Nemo didn't really happen. He never found Nemo.
That's sad alright. This next one is the last super
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dark twisted one. The other ones they are a little
more lighthearted, but again we're committing to the themae here
of keeping things dark. So let's talk about Peter Pan,
a really old classic movie I remember watching on VHS
and there's something about a hume of a VHS player
and the way it looks on a big old tube
TV that really gives a heightened quality I think to
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the movie Peter Pan. And I always thought the overall
story of Peter Pan was a little weird, you know,
Peter Pan coming flying in through their window and taking
them away to Neverland. Something just seemed a bit off,
like where did they go? Why don't their parents go
look for them? What is really happening here? And the
theory is that Peter Pan is actually the angel of
Death and he holds the hands of children on the
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way to heaven. A k a. Neverland when they die.
Let that scene in for a little bit, and suddenly
Peter Pan makes a lot more sense, at least in
this dark tone. So then you start thinking about the
other parts of the movie, and you think about Neverland,
you think about the Lost Boys, and maybe that's why
they actually don't ever grow up. It kind of makes
a little bit of sense because by the time they
get to Neverland, they're already dead. They're gonna be the
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same age they're gonna be forever, and it's the age
where they died, which is sadly they're all kids. So
the theory goes a little further that Peter Pan this
kind of angel of death and that hook is some
sort of devil or something. But it makes a little
bit of sense, at least for me, Like that just
kind of puts a little bit more into perspective of
why that movie is the way it is, and the
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story is told that way, and there's even a little
bit more truth to it. And not only that, but
the original author, Peter Pan, whose name is J. M. Barry,
his brother actually died at the age of thirteen, leading
some to believe that this is where the idea came from.
All Right, we'll move off death for a little bit,
at least in some capacity, but we'll move on to
how Wally and a bug's life are a little bit connected.
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And there's a bigger theory of how all the Pixar
movies are connected, but we're just looking at the dark
ones today. But Wally kind of has a whole overall
dark theme to it, of the way the world gets
overrun with technology and just that whole kind of thing.
But at the end of Wally, after he's done saving
the human race, he planned a tree, and some say
that tree resembles the same tree in a bug's life.
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So if it's the same tree, they're saying that a
bug's life actually takes place away in the future when
humans no longer exist. Because you think about it, you
don't see any humans in a bug's life. Even though
the bugs in the movie have learned human things, they
think they just learned them over time from the humans.
But it's in a world where no humans exist. So
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maybe you watch that movie and thought it was just
in some distant place somewhere out in the middle of nowhere,
it could actually be in your very hometown where you
and none of your loved ones no longer live. There's
also a similar theory when it comes to the movie
Cars that that's also set so far in the future
in a world where animals no longer exist because of pollution,
So you don't see any other animals in that movie
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because they all died off. I kind of just like
this idea of Disney's taking place in some kind of
dystopian future where everybody else has gone and it's just
like talking animals and bugs. There's also a way older
theory about Alice in Wonderland, where basically the entire movie
is just her hallucinating on drugs and none of that
stuff actually happened, which is probably believable. That movie came
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out in the fifties, people were experimenting. There's a lot
of evidence about this one. It seems like a kids movie,
but it could just be somebody tripping on drugs. The
entire movie movie is very weird, so it's very likely.
And the final one here. There's actually some truth too
that the movie Frozen. You know, it's about on on
Elsa their relationship as sisters, but there's a whole underlying
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theory that it's actually a political statement about climate change.
And I remember when this movie came out. I didn't
watch Frozen until about last year, but one of the
main things I remember hearing about was it wasn't really
a kids movie. It was this a whole theory about
global warming. And when I watched it for the first
time last year, I kind of forgot about that what
people said that Disney kind of did this to place
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it in the minds of young kids watching the movie,
that if we don't do things about pollution and destroying
the environment, that old Off would die and melt away.
You'd never get to give him a warm muck. And
who's to say about this? And you know, people make
these movies, they have ideas about the world. Sometimes they
try to work them in. At least they're not doing
what they used to do back in the nineties and
working like dirty words or dirty things into the background.
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Remember when that was the thing? Like I remember, that
was the only reason I wanted to get a physical
copy of The Little Mermaid because of what people said
was on the cover. If you don't know about that,
I don't suggest you google that. There's a lot surrounding
The Little Mermaid about hidden things in that movie, and
there's also someone with the Lion King. I haven't really
seen any of that recently, which it could have been
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back in the day that they were just like, you
know what, let's just throw this in here. Nobody's really
gonna know about it. There's no internet for people to
dive in and break these movies down and tell everybody
our secrets. They were only really seeing it in theaters
and on VHS. It would be a lot harder now
to work in something dirty to a Disney movie. Not
to say they haven't been successful yet. These movies are
very detailed. You can't watch everything going on in the background.
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But hey, I feel like somebody would pull those out
if that were true. But anyway, this has been dark
Disney theories. Hope you guys enjoyed that, and hopefully you
can still watch these movies the same way before I
gave you my thoughts. All Right, So the news that
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came out last week because they are renewing The Wizard
of All is making a remake after many times they've
done this movie, and they have on with me now,
amateur movie critic Ali, how's it going, Alley doing? While
thanks for having me on the podcast. So you do
this thing on your Instagram all the time that I love.
It's would you watch this? So I think this is
what this segment is kind of based off, are you
okay with me? Kind of ripping off your segment that
(16:34):
you do on Instagram. Absolutely, it's here for the public.
So now that this Wizard of Oz is coming out,
I think they kind of have to go a different cast.
They're going to different feel. It's the director from The
Watchman doing it, and they're saying it's not going to
be a musical. So I just thought it would be
fun to go back and forth and think of, like,
who we want to be in this movie. So first
up with Dorothy, hit me with who you have? Okay,
(16:56):
Dorothy's is the hardest one for me. I feel like
they could go so many different way is I don't
know if they want to do older Dorsey, younger Dorsey,
however that's gonna work. Um, I think looks Wise, I
would go with someone like Hayley Steinfeld. I know it's
a little bit bold of a choice, but she is
acting a lot these days. If they do make her
saying she's ready for it, I think Looks for Wise,
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she really nails it. That's a pretty good one. I
had Anya Taylor Joy from The Queen's Gambit, like, look wise,
I just think that's kind of where they would go
with Dorothy and also, I mean, coming off The Queen's
gamb but I think that's kind of a great fit
for What do you think about that one? I love that.
I'm obsessed with her, so I fully support that one
as well. Do you think I mean, the Wizard of
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Oz has such an awful history, do you think they
would make this movie like, Okay, we realized that it
was just so awful and back. I mean they made
the first one in nine, But you think going into
this movie the actors are thinking like, hey, we're not
gonna do who he did before? Do you Yeah? I
don't know. I feel like there's so much that can
be done to change the history like the movie, and
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you know, I feel like there's so much issue with
like Jete Garland and like all these different things. I
think they're wanting to change, so hopefully it will be
like a more progressive version of the movie. So who
do you have for the Cowardly Lion? Okay, cowardly Lions.
I would love to see someone like the vid Digs
in this. I feel like he's really getting on the
acting train. Um. I feel like you can do like
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accents and like characters really well. So i'd love to
see him try that. I had Dan Levy here, and
I think it's because I just came off a big
Ship's Creek kind of binge over the last year. But
I don't know. I think it kind of fits him
pretty well, and we haven't really seen him in such
a big movie like this. I think that's a great
start for him. Oh he's precious. I feel like that
would just be the sweetest character. Because they're trying to
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do this fresh take, I feel they have to include
just people that are going to change it a little bit.
I know people are going to complain already that they're
remaking this and you know, ruining the first one. But
I think if they're going to remake it at this point,
it has to be something just so different, and to
think that it makes like a reason to do it right. Yeah. Absolutely,
Who do you have as the tin man man? This
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one could go a lot different ways. I would like
to see like Neil Patrick Harris do something like this.
I feel like he's quirky it's funny. He's got a
lot of personality that like brings to the character, and
so I feel like you could do that really well.
I could see that too. And the thing about the
Tin Man, isn't he just like really creepy and weird?
Did he freak you out when you've watched the first one,
the original? Oh for sure, especially when they're like usually
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like oiling him up at the very beginning and he's
just like so bizarre, You're like, Okay, this is kind
of a fever dream. I don't really know what to
do with him. I think that's something about the Witches
of Laws. Like this movie kind of gave me nightmares
as the kid, and I remember, I remember it was
specifically with the tin Man, Like I think I had
a dream where he was chasing after me with like
an ax or something, trying to kill me. Oh interesting,
(19:48):
See mine was the flying monkeys. I was really afraid
they were coming going to come get me. Then what
is wrong with this movie like being a kids movie
and terrorizing kids? I feel like a lot of people
kind of had that relationship with this movie of some
thing about it, not only the origin story of like
the awful things that happened on set, but all like
the rumors surrounding it and just being a creepy movie, Like, yeah,
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it's just something like tormenting about the tin Man to me,
But I had I had Harry Styles okay, Okay, that
would bring me to the next one. I had Harry
Styles down as potentially the Scarecrow. Okay. Why? Why do
you think Harry Styles fits this movie in either The
Tin Man or The Scarecrow? Honestly, I just love that
he's moved into the acting scene. He is just precious
(20:31):
and adorable and I love him. I feel like he
could bring a lot of um like warmth to the
Scarecrow character. I could totally see him like getting down
with that. When you watch a movie that Harry Styles
is in, do you still see him as a kid
from one Direction or as just Harry Style as a musician,
or do you kind of able to separate that when
you watch him. I feel like after watching him in
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Dunkirk and just like seeing him in such an intense
role where he was just like swimming in like cold
water and having to do that whole thing, I feel
like he's really made a good leap from the one
Direction scene and seeing him as like a kid. Um.
I very much seen him as like a grown adult
who is able to, like I think, hopefully master these
(21:14):
upcoming roles that he has lined up. I felt the
same way about what I'm watching that, But I had
him as the tin man for the Scarecrows where you
had him, I had lin Manuel Miranda there, and I
kind of the same thing you said earlier. If he
had to sing, I think you could bust into it.
And he also kind of has that kind of can
be fun, can bring some vibrant and kind of feel
(21:34):
to to the role. I think he kind of fitted
the scarecrow. Yeah. I can absolutely see that you have
any honorable mentions. Honorable mentions, um for those I think
with Dorothy, there are a couple other ways that could
do it. I think if they wanted to do like
a more age appropriate UM casting of that, I was
(21:54):
gonna say. McKenna gray, Um, she's from you know, I
watched her The Hunting of Hell how Susan Troope zero.
She's like an actual teenager, so I could definitely see
them they're trying to plant like age wise. I can
definitely see her that one. Do you have anything planned
next that you're going to do for would you watch
because you kind of do a theme each time, right, Yeah,
(22:15):
So I have some good ones up my sleeve. Beme wise,
I think we might go with like old Disney stars
growing up and thinking a lot about you know, like
Colon Drove and Sprouse. I want to integrate them some way. Yeah.
It's just a fun game that I like to play. It,
like to get people's opinions on if they would watch,
you know, rebooted Moodies with just crazy people. Some of
(22:36):
them I think really would work out, and some of
them are just absolutely insane castings that I cout with
this head. So I like to see what people think
about them. I gotta it's a little frustrating sometimes because
you nail them so perfectly, and I'm like, why don't
they make this? Like why are they listening to all
these Absolutely, if I can get paid to do this,
I absolutely would, but I'm no casting agent, but I
(22:56):
wish I was. All Right, if you're listening now, I
want to go check out Alley on Instagram. She is
at a quillionaire. That's a q U I L L
I O N A I R E. I got it right,
A Quillionaire. Yeah, it's perfect like millionaire, but with a
quill in front of it. There you Well, thanks Ally
for being on the podcast. Thanks so much. Al Right,
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it is time for another spoiler free movie review today.
I'm talking about Judas and the Black Missile, which is
available for free to stream if you already have HBO Max.
If not, you're gonna have to go to the movie
with you to see this one and overall a really
powerful movie when I wasn't expected to really get me
riled up the way it did. Before I get into
my review, here's just a little bit of Judas and
(23:39):
the Black Messiah. You're looking at eighteen months for the
stolen car, five years for impersonating a federal officer. Oh,
you can go home, a formative Rainbow Press. Brothers and
(23:59):
sister have they're ever Their aim is just so hatred
and inspire terror. These ain't no terrors. So let's get
into what this movie is about. It's essentially a movie
about betrayal based on a true story. So if you're
into watching movies based on true events, he can go
(24:20):
back and research, which I am. I think you'll really
enjoy this movie. The story follows a guy named William O'Neill,
and he turns into an FBI informant after he commits
this crime trying to actually impersonate FBI agent in order
to steal this car from these guys. He gets busted
taken in. They're like, all right, you can do five
(24:40):
to seven years in prison or you can go free.
Right now. We can offer you this deal to infiltrate
the Illinois Black Panther Party, and you gotta take down
this guy by the name of Fred Hampton. And that's
what he does. He takes the deal and serves as
their informant to essentially bring down this chapter of the
Black Panther Party by taking down and Fred Hampton, who
(25:01):
is the chairman and their leader. And throughout the movie
you kind of learn more about this guy, what the
Black Panther Party is trying to do, and overall just
what the FBI has done to use informants to take
them down, and just some really shady things going on
here that really just kind of makes you want to
throw something at the TV screen while you're watching this,
(25:22):
you kind of get that passionate about it. And not
only that, I think the movie does a really great
job of creating this drama making it feel realistic like
you're there in the sixties, and has like a very
sixties feel to it with like a modern look. But
there's just something about the way they were able to
place it in that time period that really made this
one feel like an important movie we need to watch
(25:42):
right now. And you have just a really great cast here,
Daniel Klua who was in Get Out, in Black Panther.
You also have la Keith Stanfield who was in Started
to Bother You, Knives Out and one of my favorite
TV shows, Atlanta. And then you have Jesse Plemont, who
is pretty much in every single, like big dramatic movie now. Like,
if you know that Jesse Plemons is going to be
in a movie, it's probably at least pretty good, Like
(26:03):
you must have the best agent ever getting him these
awesome gigs, because he's like every great movie right now.
And he's also kind of somebody that you see his face,
maybe don't know his name, but he's been in so
much it's quite impressive. So overall, just a really great
story about a revolution in this betrayal, and this movie
goes for it. It's violent, it's disturbing, but the message
is clear. So I think that's a really important part
(26:25):
when doing a movie like this. It's clear the entire time.
And if Lakeith doesn't get nominated or something after this,
I think you have something really wrong going on. So
I give this movie four out of five stabs in
the back and probably easily the best movie I've seen
so far in one. I know we're only like halfway
through February, but I just thought it was fantastic. If
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you have HBO Max, check it out if you're comfortable
going to a movie theater and see it there too.
And it is free on HBO Max. By the way,
I know if you're already paid for the subscription, it
doesn't feel free, but you don't have to pay that
extra add on. All the HBO Max movies are free.
Time Now with some movie news, like my newscaster voice
I scared. You have my co host San Fiance here
(27:07):
with me to talk about some movie news. And first
we'll start out with Bamar Jara, who went on a
drunken I don't want to call it that tirade, but
it kind of a meltdown on his Instagram and he
kind of I feel like he does this every I
don't know a year or so where he kind of
breaks down. But they're supposed to be filming the new
Jackass and now he's been kicked off of the movie. Yeah,
(27:28):
so here's a clip of Bamar Jara is now deleted
Instagram video. I'm not in Jackass for If anybody cares
about me, don't go see their movie, because I will
make mine way rat if you just ben MOOI me
a dollar. Jackass does not care about me. I understand that.
Ladies and gentlemen and still about me. Spike Jones about me,
(27:54):
and Tremaine I still don't know yet boycott Jackass. So
he's telling people to in him money to his personal
Venmo account and he will go out and make a
better Jackass movie. And I just feel really bad for him,
Like I know he has a lot going on beyond
his struggles with alcohol and drugs and depression and all
(28:15):
these things. He's saying that they were monitoring him and
being very just putting him in a place to where
he couldn't do the movie, and now just kicking him
out and nobody cares about him. I honestly think they
want him to get better. Everything I've seen of them
trying to help out Bam over your years with his struggles.
It's them just wanting him to get better. And I
don't I feel like he's getting attacked, like he feels
(28:35):
that way, but I don't know. I just feel ultimately
like kind of sad. Yeah, that made me sad to hear.
It's hard to hear and somebody who I like looked
up to as a kid, and I mean not like
I wanted to be like him. But you did get
pepper sprayed. I did get pepper sprayed recently, which I
haven't talked about on here. Do we want to dress
that at all? If you listen to the Bobby Bones show,
(28:57):
it was my Really the thing started with you. Let's
stop back on me. Well, the idea came from you
had pepper spray. I got a new pepper spray to
carry with me, and you wanted me to pepper spray
you to make sure it works. And I said I
don't think so. And I was like, we'll just do it,
make a video and we'll see if it actually works.
Because I always wondered, truly, if you were in a
(29:18):
situation where you needed to use it, would it actually work?
And then I was like, well, I'll just get pepper
spray and then I kind of want to see what
it felt like. And then I'll admit it was also
Jackass inspired. Yeah, your Instagram caption was high immked, welcome
to jack And I'll admit as far as like that
thing was so Jackass inspired, and it was part of
(29:39):
me wanting to recreate things they did in the beginning,
even the stuff I referenced about. I don't know if
you listen to the radio show when we talked about
it initially, but I said another thing I wanted to
try out was the safety best getting shot with one.
But for anyone listening, I am glaring at him, but
I was joking because that's what Johnny Knoxville did whenever
you need to stop your obsession. That was his entire bit.
(30:03):
The way Jackass was created was he was testing out
safety equipment. He sprayed himself with pepper spray, got shot
with a stun gun, and then went out in the
middle of nowhere. He ended up shooting himself with a
bullet proof vest because nobody else wanted to do it.
But that's where this whole thing came from, and your
stunt time, I'm done with it. I felt the pain
(30:23):
of pepper spray and I'm good. I lived out my
dream of being like one of the people from Jackass,
and I'm good you came home looking like you were crying.
Like it was it is. It is very intense, and
if you go watch the video on my Instagram at
Mike Destro, you can see the entire stages of it.
But that's a sixty second video. Was actually more of
(30:44):
like a two hour process because for fifteen minutes I
couldn't open my eyes without him burning intensely, and then
for a good thirty minutes it was still burning. I
still haven't watched the video. Yeah, you probably wouldn't wanted to,
but then it works, and I feel a lot more
comfortable if you were to take that with you and
needed to use it, that it would actually stune somebody,
(31:05):
which it's supposed to do. It burns like you wouldn't believe.
And not only that, but I didn't even know how
red it was until I watched the video, and it
looks like hot sauce was thrown into my face. Aside
from it burning in my eyes, it also dripped down
into my mouth and was burning, and you had some
effects of that too. So yeah, sorry about that one.
(31:28):
Very chivalrous attempt to prove that pepper. Yeah, so it works. Um,
but anyway, Jack asked four not starring me. Also in
movie news, Sandra Bullock has joined a new Brad Pitt
movie and it's basically a bunch of a listers. It's
a movie called Bullet Train and the Cats is pretty good.
It's Brad Pitt, Sandra Bullock and Lady Gaga and also
(31:50):
Bad Bunny. It sounds like an interesting movie. I love
Sandra Bullock. You do love Sandra Bullock. What is your
favorite Sandra Bullock movie? The Proposal? Okay, runner up? Hope Floats.
It's a classic Harry Conning Jr. Filmed in Smithville, like
right outside of Austin. And also in movie news, shy
La buff announced he is taking a break from acting
(32:11):
and going in to get some care after those allegations
came out of physical abuse from his X. So what
do you think of people that announced their taking a break.
I think it's a response of allegations and saying that
you need to go away for a minute. Why do
you think there's something else behind it? Oh? No, I
just wonder. I guess I think about it in terms
of like influencer culture on Instagram and everyone's like, hey, guys,
(32:34):
I'm not gonna be on here tomorrow. It is weird
to announce like on social media. It is another weird
to announce that you're taking a break. Like we think
that people are paying attention to everything we post all
the time, and sometimes I feel that way, like I
haven't posted it while people are gonna worry or think
something and literally nobody notices. It's both a good and
(32:55):
a bad thing. It's a good thing because you know,
nobody really cares and you're not. People aren't as focused
on you as you think they are, so you could,
i don't know, go away for a minute and not
be a big deal. But also it's kind of sad
to think nobody really cares about you, Like, oh, you
could go away for a while and people be like, oh,
he was away. It is weird to announce that you're
taking a break. Let just take a break. You don't
(33:15):
need to tell everybody that I'm not going to be
on Instagram for a while. You're kind of already seeking
attention and saying that I'm taking a break by taking
a break. Just take the break. Well, I feel like
when Cameron Diaz announced she was retiring from acting, like
she could have just not done anything else. Yeah, I don't.
I just wonder about like these formal announcements. I didn't
really know that she had retired from acting until I
(33:36):
just realized that she wasn't in any movies for a while.
And then I was like, oh, she actually announced that
she's not acting anymore. See. I feel like you would
just realize it eventually. I don't know. Okay. Also, every
single week we got to give our shout out of
the week. You can just send me a tweet, Instagram,
message or message on Facebook on all platforms at Mike
(33:57):
destro or an email and that mail is movie Mike
d at gmail dot com. And getting a lot of
great emails over there, not only for people who listen
to the podcast every single Monday, but also some episode
of ideas. There's just suggestions we should do. So you
got any of those, even any complaints, I'll take those
as well, as long as they're constructive instructive criticism only.
(34:17):
We welcome that. Um. If you just want to tell
me that I suck or I can't speak, well, um,
I am aware of that. I'm not a great speaker,
and I have a podcast, of course, But anyway, this
one comes to us from Maguen Winkleman. Forgive me if
I mispronounced your first name. It's a very unique spelling,
but it says you made me tear up this morning
(34:39):
talking about meeting your fiancee and then upset me bashing
one of my favorite movies of all time, when Harry
met Sally. I also love While You Were Sleeping, But
when I showed it to my daughter, she thought it
was creepy to love the show, and I replied to her, Actually,
I was like, that's the range of this podcast. Will
warm your heart with one story and then make you
completely hated by ripping the movie you don't like to shreds.
(35:01):
But what do I say on this podcast? You don't
have to agree with all of my movie reviews. We're
here to discuss movies. I'm giving you my opinions and
my thoughts on movies. Whether it's your favorite movie that
I actually don't like or a movie that you think
is stupid that I enjoy. Just stay in my opinions here,
and it's just the place for us to have fun
and talk about movies. So I just like that we
(35:21):
have that range here. I don't agree with all of
your movie reviews exactly. That's why I have you on
my cost you if you don't know how boring you
would be if we agreed on everything on this it
would be boring. It would be very boring. If you
love Jackass too, we just be two Jackasses in here. Well. Anyway,
that's the episode for this week. Thanks everybody for listening.
I gotta say, like, the most cool response that I
(35:43):
see online, in the messages or in the tweets is
like people who listen to every single Monday, Like that
really means a lot to me. Like the fact that
this podcast that I've been doing for over a year
now has become a part of anybody's Monday routine, like
that really means a lot. So everybody listening to this
on a Monday, this episode is for you, guys. Appreciate
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you so much more than you even know. And I
will talk to you guys again next week here on
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