Mike talks to the filmmakers behind ‘Not Just A Goof’ the documentary that uncovers the untold story of A Goofy Movie. Mike talks to directors Christopher Ninness and Eric Kimelton along with producer Scott Seibold. They share their 5 year journey to get the movie released on Disney+, the coolest things that discovered about A Goofy Movie during filming, the advice that director Kevin Lima gave them that made them uncomfortable, Billy Farmer (the voice of Goofy) playing tricks on them and they reveal what movie they are considered doing a documentary about next. In the Movie Review, Mike talks about Final Destination Bloodlines. The newest chapter in the franchise takes us back to the very beginning of Death’s twisted sense of justice. It’s about a college student who heads home to track down the one person who might be able to break the cycle and save her family from death. In the Trailer Park, Mike talks about The Long Walk. It’s a new thriller based on the first novel Stephen King ever wrote. It’s about a group of teenage boys competing in an annual contest known as "The Long Walk," where they must maintain a certain walking speed or get shot.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, and welcome back to movie Mike's movie podcast. I
am your host Movie Mike. Today, I am talking to
the filmmakers behind Not Just the Goof, which is the
documentary about a goofy movie. Just as Documentary Alone took
five years to make. It was all done independently then
went on Disney Plus, so we'll get the full story
behind that. In the movie review, I'll be talking about
the new Final Destination movie Bloodlins and in the Trailer Park,
(00:24):
one of the most requested In the Trailer Park, We'll
be talking about The Long Walk, which is based on
the first ever novel that Stephen King wrote, and no
it is not Carrie. Thank you for being here, Thank
you for being subscribed. Shout out to the Monday Morning
movie crew. He Now, let's talk movies podcast network this
Movie Mike movie podcast about it get into my conversation
(00:48):
with the filmmakers behind Not Just the Goof. It is
a documentary about a goofy movie. We're gonna be talking
to directors Chris and Eric and producer Scott how this
movie took five five years to make. They did it
really without the blessing of Disney, and once they had
it done, they were like, Hey, you guys want to
put this on Disney Plus. If you're a longtime listener
(01:09):
of this podcast, you know how much I love a
Goofy movie, And a few weeks ago I did an
episode after I watched this documentary how much I enjoyed it.
They heard that episode, hit me up, and here we are.
So if you two are a big fan of a
Goofy movie and you haven't watched this documentary yet on
Disney Plus, I highly recommend it. But you don't need
to have watched it in order to enjoy this interview,
(01:31):
because this is something I just wanted to dive into
to showcase some people who took a big risk and
created something that they're proud of, and now we're gonna
have a lot of cool opportunities because of it. So
let's get into my conversation now with the filmmakers behind
Not Just a goof Guys, I'm so excited to get
to talk to you, not only because I love talking
(01:52):
about a Goofy movie, but I also love talking to
people who have chased their dreams and just learning about
each of your story ries has been inspiring to me.
So thank you guys for joining me. First of all,
glad to be here. Thanks for having us on on.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah, it was amazing, excited to chat.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Let's get into talking about a Goofy movie. Where were
each of you when you first watched it or your
first memory of watching it, what point in your life
and who did you watch it with?
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Well, I probably watched it by myself, if I'm being honest.
I definitely saw it at home on VHS. My mom
bought it, probably because it was cheaper than The Lion King,
you know it was. It was just like on the
discount beIN at Target or Walmart or something, it's somewhere,
and my mom brought it home and instantly fell in
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love with it.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
It just like hit me so.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Hard and I just desperately wanted to be as cool
as Max and I wanted you know, there's something about
the way Goofy just actively pursues time to be with
his son, and at that point in my life. You know,
if you've seen the documentary, I would have killed for that.
I you know, I just I found that father son
relationship just so impactful for me.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
About you, Eric, I.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Had an extremely rare experience with the first time I
ever watched it, I actually got to go to the
premiere of a Goofy movie at Disney World in Orlando.
For those who have not seen the documentary or know
much about a Goofy movie, it was directed by Kevin Lima,
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who happens to be my uncle. I grew up in Florida,
and one day my mom came to me. It was like, Hey,
we're gonna go see a movie that your uncle Kevin's
been working on. I didn't know what that meant until
I got there.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
And I was in.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
It was like a real kind of movie premiere and
like the voice of Goofy, Bill Farmer was there. I
got to meet him. You can't see it, but I have.
There's a post a Goofy movie poster behind me. There's
also one in front of me that I got Bill
Farmer signed the night that I went to the premiere,
(04:04):
and I still have it. I found it during the
making of our documentary because my mom is a memory
hoarder from when I was a kid and kept it.
That night changed my life because that's when I knew
that I wanted to do something similar.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Was that the first time you kind of realizing what
your uncle did, You're like, oh wait, he's actually doing
things that people are going to watch and attend.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Yeah, because I mean I was still relatively young, and
like I knew that he was like in animation and
stuff like that, because he would come visit me every
once in a while and the kids from the neighborhood
would come over and he would like draw you know,
Goofy or you know, something from a little The Little
Mermaid or something like that. That was always really cool.
(04:51):
But I didn't know that he was like or I
didn't comprehend or understand that he was in charge of
an entire movie until that night, and then it was like, oh, wow,
you you're really cool to me. But yeah, I've always
looked up to Kevin because he's just so nice and
humble like you.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Scott was a little different.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
Actually, I came to a Goofy movie much later. I
didn't see it when it was out in theaters, and
I didn't have the Disney.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Channel growing up.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
So when twenty twenty came around.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
And Chris had the idea for the film, Chris and I,
you know, I'd worked on projects previously before, and he said,
I want to make a movie about my favorite movie.
I want to make a documentary and I was like, cool,
like what is that? And he said, A Goofy movie.
And I said, I think, you know, I've heard of it,
but I don't think I ever saw it. So, you know,
I watched it on Disney Plus, you know, just by
myself and got introduced to this whole world of a
(05:43):
Goofy movie. And I think the thing that struck me
the most was this was a film way ahead of
its time that had this like shared language of how
to communicate between adults and kids and was very interpersonal,
you know, for an animated film even four you know,
Pixar was the thing, and it, yeah, had a huge
impact on me as we started getting more and more
(06:06):
into the documentary, you know, seeing the fandom and the
love for people that have for this movie, it just
resonates really, really deeply.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
So I think that partially is why I'm so inspired
about the story about the documentary. You talk about it
being a five year process now and the fact that
you guys made this on your own, which I think
some people don't realize when they see something like this
pop up on Disney Plus. You're like, oh, Disney put
out this new documentary. Here, let me go check it
out and realizing the story behind it. Where how did
(06:35):
you guys come together five years ago and decide this
is what we're gonna make and this is how we're
gonna start it.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Well, so Disney Plus had just launched, right, and they
I'm obsessed. Actually all three of us are really obsessed
with documentaries but also just peaks behind the Disney curtain.
So anytime Disney drops a new documentary about the making
of something or the you know, the Disney animation just
(07:01):
culture and workplace and kind of give you a peek
behind that, we find that fascinating. And Disney Plus had
just launched and one of their titles was Into the Unknown,
the making of Frozen too. Frozen is a huge, huge property. Obviously,
I didn't connect with Frozen like most of the world
(07:22):
connected with Frozen. I really love Frozen, but it's not
the goofy movie for me, Like that's the film, the
Disney film that speaks to me the most. And I
remember finishing watching Into the Unknown and I turned to
Eric and Scott and I said, I wish this existed
for a goofy movie. I wish that we had what
this has given so many fans just this loving inside
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look to what goes into making their favorite thing. I
had known Kevin for a little bit. Eric obviously knows
Kevin very well, and I kind of pitched to Eric.
I said, do you think Kevin would be willing to
go on camera? Maybe we make a YouTube short, maybe
this is a talking head thirty minute, forty minute YouTube thing.
(08:06):
And Eric was like, oh, man, do you know what
he has. He has an actual demo tape of Eye
to Eye. That's all we thought he had. And I said,
oh man, that'd be so cool. We'll make a movie
about the fandom. We'll show the original demo. This is
gonna be great. It's like a thirty minute project. We
put together a pitch deck and a demo song, which
(08:27):
is actually the end credit song in our film, an
original song, and we sent it to Kevin to see
if he'd come on board and kind of see the
tone of what we wanted to do, and he agreed,
and we kind of were off running at that point.
And it wasn't until after we sat down and interviewed
him that he revealed he had a box of tapes
of the making of and that changed the whole project.
(08:50):
We knew that this was going to be something a
bit bigger than we had anticipated.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
So once you're you have the idea, you had that
first interview and you know, okay, we're about to make
something completely different here, and you realize you're about to
be banking on yourself, which is a hard thing to do.
Like something I was just a part of recently is
we shot this special for the ACM Awards that when
we first started it, we didn't know anybody was going
(09:15):
to pick it up. We were spending our own money,
we were just taking our own time to do this
in hopes that somebody would pick it up. And then
as of recording this right now, we found out that
Prime is going to pick it up and it's going
to be on Amazon, And it's like, whoa this thing
that we just created that we just spent our own
money on, spend our own time on. Now it's actually
going to go out into the world. But some people
don't always see that process of sometimes you just had
(09:37):
to kind of bet on yourself, knowing that you're doing
something because I believe in this, I know and I
want this to be seen in the world. But sometimes
people don't see how those steps you have to take
early on. So for you guys, what were those struggles
once you had this idea but you knew that you
weren't going to have any backing from anybody else, that
it's going to be you making this movie.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
One of them was do we go to Disney with
our idea and let them know we want to make
a documentary about a goofy movie or do we just
risk it and try to make the best thing that
we can. And after all coming together and talking that through,
we were like, well, if we go to Disney, some
(10:22):
unknowns that they have, like why would they trust us,
you know, and they could just squash it or ignore us,
and then it's dead as soon as we had the idea.
Whereas if we just make it and can show this
is what the film is, it's easier to like look
at something and decide whether it's good or not versus
(10:46):
trying to pitch an idea from people that you don't know. Yeah,
we took a gamble. But what made it all possible,
I think is having all those tapes from Kevin, because
it really round it out and gave us so many
paths of story about the making of the film that
(11:07):
if we didn't have that it definitely wouldn't be what
it is, you know, the thing that we're proud of now.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
So as you guys are going through all those things,
all the footage, what was something that surprised you the most? Like, whoa,
how does this even exist?
Speaker 3 (11:21):
The live action reference footage of Tevin Campbell in the booth,
but also the live action reference footage of the Dancer's
fried eye. That whole sequence blew our minds. We had
no idea that existed. And then you're going through this
box of tapes and it's just it's a high eight tape,
I think, and it just says Tevin Campbell in booth
(11:42):
or live action reference, and your brain explodes with the
possibilities of what could what does that mean?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
What is on here?
Speaker 3 (11:50):
How much of it is on here? And then to
finally see it and to realize that no one has
seen this before, it's just been sitting in this box
for thirty years. That's a real magical moment. And honestly,
we've been sitting on that for almost four years, right,
So that was mind blowing for sure for me. You know,
that's just like movie magic.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
That part of the documentary really blew my mind because
I remember watching that as a kid and being that's
a fun scene. And then you realize how elaborate all
the dance moves are, and to think they went through
that process of getting everybody there together and then basically
animating it like frame by frame of how they did it,
you realize why that scene was so special and why
(12:32):
I had so much flair to it.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
And you you, you know, you kind of you can
see the influences of like Michael Jackson in Print and
Prince and Bobby Brown in power Line. So then when
you hear that the choreographer of the dance is the
guy playing power Line and he choreographed Jennet Jackson's rhythm Nation,
you're seeing all this DNA come together. That makes it
(12:55):
that much more special for the audience, which is so cool.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
So since you guys went through all this footage and
started including it and Disney wasn't a part of the
picture yet once they did become a part of the picture,
what were some of the obstacles? Because I believe y'all
had a different ending song on this, and you realize
they didn't have the rights to it, so you had
to cut that from it. Were there other moments like that, like,
oh man, we can't even put this in there because
they can't clear it.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Yeah, here's a word of advice for any of those
that are budget conscious, do not use wish upon a
Star in your film because it will cost a lot
of money to license it. That is the song that
we had in our film, and then we learned now
how much it was and it was gone within minutes.
(13:43):
It was just cost prohibitive to license that.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
Surprisingly, there weren't many creative notes that Disney gave us.
It was about a year process from when the film
was mostly like I said, like ninety or ninety five
percent complete. You know, there were still things we added
late in the game, but it's yeah, it took about
a year to go through that process of going through
the reviews, creative reviews, legal reviews, QC reviews to get
(14:08):
you know, actually on Disney Plus. And fortunately there weren't
many creative notes, but there were lots of licensing song
issues and footage issues and little tweaks we had to
make to just bring down, you know, the cost to
make it essentially releasable. But that was a process, you know,
just a little bit of a little bit of trial
and error and figuring out what worked creatively as well
as what what would work within Disney's timeline.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
We received zero creative notes from Disney, Like we had
creative notes from like other people and everything, but Disney
the company, they didn't give us. They gave us zero
creative notes.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Part of the challenges of the licensing stuff is like
in our documentary, we have a scene where we show
some bits of demos of like songs that didn't make
the movie right well, because they weren't in the movie.
Disney doesn't own those. Those were created by someone and
they weren't used, so Disney didn't buy them and didn't
use them for the movie. So you have Disney asked us, well,
(15:06):
who wrote this, who's singing on it?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
You have to go and track that down. And it's been.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Thirty years right since plus since the movie was being
worked on when these demos came out. So that's the
the technical kind of like really difficult thing to navigate.
It's just trying to go back in time and figure
out no one has Disney doesn't have like a file
cabinet with everything listed out of who's saying on what
(15:32):
and when it was done and so that's tricky for sure.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
You mean the Disney Vault doesn't actually exist?
Speaker 4 (15:39):
I think I think it does exist, But to access
the vault is like like an Indiana Jones thing. There's
gonna be like a boulder that comes down and darts
shot at you.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
You you gotta unfreeze Walt Disney's head. It's a whole thing.
Since I've been doing this podcast since like six years ago,
I've always talked about a goofy movie, and I've noticed
like pockets of listeners saying, oh, I love that movie too,
And it's been kind of cool to have that connection
with people because when I was a kid, like, I
don't really remember other people talking about it. And I
think one of the first big moments I remember was
(16:14):
in twenty twenty two when the Atlanta episode came out,
when they did the mockumentary about it. I was like, Oh,
there's like this whole other subculture of people who love
this movie. You guys were in the process of still
making the documentary when that episode came out. Did that
affect you guys at all? Were you go like, oh, man,
we got to get this out sooner, or like, oh,
maybe someone else is going to beat us to the punch.
(16:35):
What was that?
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Like, Well, it's interesting because you're right, we were still
shooting our documentary. I think we had a rough cut
assemble kind of you know, with missing key players of
course that we knew we needed to fill in still,
and I get this call from Eric and he says,
have you heard about the Atlanta episode? And all of
a sudden, next thing I know is I'm on a
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zoom like this with Kevin and Eric and the three
of us are just going over this mockumentary and it's
blowing our minds. Kevin is like, at first thinking, am
I in this? Like the documentary about the Goofy movie?
And then we all watched it and we kind of
regathered and we realized what it was, which is its
(17:17):
own incredible love letter to a Goofy movie.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
And I think at first.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Like when you read like documentary on Atlanta about a
Goofy movie, our initial reaction was probably, oh man, someone
beat us to this, And then you watch it and
you go, no, this is a piece of the story
that we're going to tell. This is just another layer
ultimately the fandom of what this movie means to people,
and it only made us more motivated to tell our
(17:44):
story because it really kind of hit us that, no,
A Goofy movie is bigger than you think, like even
as big as you thought it was, and how important
it is to us, it matters a lot to a
lot of people. So we found it to be quite
motivating and and it was interesting because when we dropped
the trailer and poster for our film, there was a
(18:05):
lot of you know, oh, Atlanta did it first, and
we kept saying to ourselves, like, there's room for both.
I think people are going to you know, we're huge
fans of Atlanta and what Don Glover put together, and
we just kept saying to ourselves like, well, wait till
you see Tevin in the booth, wait till you see
hear these stories. Like they're two separate things, and I
(18:25):
don't think one discounts the other. It's I think there's
room for both both things to exist. And like I said,
we're huge fans of that Atlanta episode. It's one of
the best episodes of television we've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Ever.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
One of my favorite things about a note Kevin gave
you guys was he's like, why aren't you guys in this?
More like why don't you put more of your story
inside of the documentary? Did that feel a little bit
vulnerable to you because you were trying to make this documentary,
just how this movie was made, all the love and
labor that went into it, and suddenly there are moments
of the documentary that shift on you guys and your
(18:59):
connection with it later at the end of the movie.
How did that feel putting that out into the world,
and how does it feel now with seeing that reception
of people taking that away from it.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
I think it was a lot vulnerable for us for
multiple reasons, because Chris and I both have like personal,
you know, stories attached with like a goofy movie and
our like upbringings and stuff. But also we didn't want
it to feel vain like, oh, we we're doc you know,
(19:31):
we're filmmakers, We're we're going to be in front of
the camera and stuff. It was never like that from
the beginning. But having Kevin kind of explain why it
made sense to us too, like, Okay, we we are
fans of this, and perhaps if we're in it and
are able to talk about why, you'll see it more
(19:55):
from this is a fan perspective rather than you know,
this is like a Disney puff piece kind of a thing.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
It's it's a bit of to your point, it's it's
we didn't want to do it at first. We fought
back against it, and Kevin made the suggestion, you know,
you're the way in for the viewer, and we sat
with that for a while, and when I was writing
my letter, I kept thinking about it as like, well,
maybe this will hold a mirror up for people to
(20:24):
see themselves. Maybe it's you know, my story is very
specific about the Goofy movie. But hopefully when you know,
Mike watches this documentary, he'll see the TV scene and
he'll say, I know what that feeling is, and I
know what movie it is that means that to me,
and he'll relate to it on some level. And it's
(20:46):
very vulnerable, by the way, to air your childhood trauma
out on Disney Plus. So that's something I ever thought
would happen. And it's animated and I'm seeing like a
young dog version of me and the Goofy verse and
my parents are there, and so there's a lot of
trust not only in Kevin, but in creative collaborators like
Eric and Scott. It's I can't objectively watch that scene
(21:09):
and like really process it like maybe I would any
other scene in the movie, because it's just so personal.
So there's a lot of leaning on Scott and Erik
and saying, Okay, I can't watch six year old five
year old animated dog boy Chris and watch his parents?
Does this working objectively?
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Like do you like?
Speaker 3 (21:28):
What is this doing for the film as a whole?
So yeah, it's and it's also finding a balance how
much of the story do I share?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
How much?
Speaker 3 (21:36):
How much do we zoom out of it to make
it a little bit more broad, and how specific do
we want to get It was a lot of trial
and error.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
I'm really glad you included that part because even for
me already having a personal connection with the movie, it
allowed me to have a personal connection with someone else
and also like dig up some things that I didn't
realize how it affected me, because I think with my dad,
like how I saw our relationship is we had a
great relationship as when I was a kid. It was
more so the growing apart later in life that I
(22:07):
was like, oh, that's exactly how it was with Max
and Goofy, and that's kind of how I related with it.
So I think it's interesting to see it from all
these different perspectives and to see everybody kind of come
together and feel like, oh, this is a part of
all of our childhood in some way. Absolutely, Scott, was
there ever a moment as a producer that you thought,
I don't know if this thing is good to see
the light of day?
Speaker 5 (22:27):
Oh I cash, I mean, yeah, two weeks before the
film came out. Yeah, it's a small miracle this this
movie got out. I mean, if you think about classic
Disney character IP that is owned by another company, all
this behind the scenes footage that Disney would you know,
love to have the rights issues, you know, agreements, appearances
(22:52):
for people appearing in the film. I can think of
a dozen times where we all looked at each other,
you know how, that sort of feeling that pit in
our stumf of not knowing how we were going to
get this out into the world. You know, I think
that we all really believed deeply in the mission of
the film and the story. You know, early on, we
knew that we could tell a really great informational documentary
(23:15):
about you know, the history and the creativity of a
Goofy movie. But it was that personal connection and personal
story and the themes about fatherhood that we really were
really driving you know, the film forward when when we
had those hard days and so, you know, we always
wanted to get it on Disney Plus.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
That was always the goal, you know.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
But there were also you know times, long stretches of
time where we were thinking about home, the festival route,
thinking about putting it on YouTube, case starter. You know,
we had several conversations about all those things, all while
still trying to get it on Disney Plus. So, like
you when I have my producer hat on, you're trying
to be the potential you know, potholes in the road
(23:57):
ahead and the issues that might arise with any given
that Chris and Eric wanted to take the film. Even
in the kind of like months and weeks leading up
to the film, we were still having conversations about how
to get it out there in the world.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Did you guys start to feel like a parallel between
the making of this documentary and the making of a
Goofy movie.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
We found out, by the way, I don't think we've
said this yet, but like the space where they edited
a Goofy movie right where in they weren't on the lot.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
They didn't do that on the backlot.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
It was being animated in like Paris, Toronto, Australia, but
it was being assembled in Burbank on this like North
Hollywood Burbank area. And we found out like six months
before the movie came out on Disney Plus that where
we edited our documentary was a block away from where
(24:50):
they made a Goofy movie. And we had no idea
that we were doing it almost in the same spot.
Down to working with an animation studio in another country,
having conversations like through through video on what it should
look like and how it should should operate.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I mean, there were so many similarities obvious.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
We're kind of a rag tag team.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Yeah, we were all new to our first feature.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
So many parallels. They're just very mind going to think
about it. I think some when we started to see
something happening, it felt very historic, It felt very rare
to be a part of.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Seems like you guys are all so passionate about this,
and when it comes to chasing your passions, it's something
that you would do even if you were getting paid.
You guys don't have to give me a number, but
you guys get paid for getting this thing on Disney Plus.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
I don't know if we can legally say hey, like
how much or anything like legit legally we can't, but yes,
we we got paid. I don't think any of us
are retiring.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Okay, So here here's why I asked. It's because I
want people to support you guys as filmmakers. Is it
as simple as just watching it on Disney Plus? Do
you buy merch?
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Like?
Speaker 1 (26:02):
How do you guys need support for this movie? And
also for you guys to do more things like this,
like how do people support you?
Speaker 3 (26:08):
I think it's watching the film and sharing the film.
That's the number one thing that people can do if
it means something to you. If you watch the film
and you took something away from it and you want
to share that experience or even go on line and
write a kind review, that stuff goes along a long,
long way.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
You know, we're definitely going to make more stuff together.
We're not done.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
We're always We'll have irons in the fire and what
the next one is we're figuring that out right now.
But you know, the film will eventually be available to buy.
We're working on and hopeful that there will be a
Blu Ray release. Of some kind, but it will definitely
be available digitally. We're just now in the process of
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getting it available to everyone because right now it's just
in the US, so we're working on the details of
getting it out internationally, but that is going to happen. Yeah,
watching the film and sharing it is the number one thing.
We did think about making shirts though, Mike, what do
you think I I was saying, we need to we
need to release the Jeffrey Dogs and burg shirt, Like
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I think there needs to be a Jeffrey Dogs and
Burg t shirt.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
I love it. I'll buy ten of those right now.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
I can't think we might do that.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
I don't know who did the animations.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
It was a company in Columbia called Venturia Animation Studios,
and Chris just threw throw a net out on like
Facebook or something, asking if you know anybody knew any
animation companies. And Chris is in the entertainment industry like
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for a day job, and got a referral and we
got hooked up with them, and I'm glad we did
because it was actually their idea to create like create
all the the retail everything, but in the goofy style,
like the Goofy Verse. If you will, so making everybody dogs.
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When we saw the first sketches of that, we're like, absolutely, yes,
this is totally belongs in our film and really adds
something a little bit different. It's definitely unique.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
I'm telling you. The parallel just keep coming. You guys
had to get animation. It's like a whole thing.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
My final question for you guys, you kind of tease
that you're working on something else. You'll have something else
out soon that you're gonna put out into the world.
If you could make a documentary about another unsung movie,
what would it be.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Well, that's almost a trick question, because I want to
tell you I feel like we could. Well, here's the thing.
There are conversations about a couple films. The important thing though,
to remember is it has to be something we feel
deeply about and we feel passionate about. We don't want
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to do the same kind of thing necessarily, and but
but there are movies we love with great, great stories
that we've considered. This feels like an exclusive. I feel
like I can say, you know, we were talking about
a Hook documentary because we love the movie Hook. We
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actually have shot an interview for that. We were talking also,
you know, it's a bit more complicated.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
It's almost impossible.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
But the Emperor's New Groove has this incredible story that
could that could be something potentially, But but again it
all has to come together organically and completely.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
You know, we just we love a Goofy movie. We
have such passion for it.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
If we don't have the same passion for another film
like that, I think the film would be inauthentic and
it would be hard hard to pursue, especially since it
took five years. You know, It's like if it was
about any we'd probably get you know, we'd be like
too beaten down by it and be like, no, we can't,
this is impossible.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
You mentioned needing that passion. Did you ever get sick
of a Goofy movie? Did you ever think, like, man,
maybe I am just a goof.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
I mean, I think we're gonna take at least a
few months off from watching a Goofy movie or or
our film.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
I actually haven't even watched our doc on Disney Plus
all the way through yet, because I'm I've seen it so,
I mean thousands of times now. So also the song
eye to Eye, which is a total like banger. I
love Eye to eye. But I can go like a
few weeks now without singing or hearing eye to eye,
and I'll I'll be OK.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Yeah, yeah, after watching it so many times, how did
you know that it was still good? Because you were like,
I've been in this for so long, We've been working
on it for five years. Is this still good?
Speaker 5 (30:56):
Whenever I watch Chris mentioning the taste of finding Tevin
Campbell in a booth, I still I've seen a hundred
times in our documentary at least, I still get chills.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
There's just something so pure.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
I think about seeing Kevin and the creative team pour
their whole heart and soul into something deeply meaningful to them.
And as a creative going through this process, you really
resonate with the tension and the struggle and fashion and
enthusiasm for wanting to make something that like people are
going to love and then you put it out in
the world. And so there's still part yeah the documentary
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that I've seen a hundred times that I still get
chills at. And that's a very motivating factor when you're
having those hard days of wanting to get it done.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
I think it was a lot easier. I mean, we
were making this for five years, so we'd seen it
a million times before we like really showed it to
anyone besides ourselves and like Kevin. But there was a
screening we did with Bill Farmer and Chris and I
were so nervous for that because we're like, well, if
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he hates it, this thing is over.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
And it was at Don Juan's studio, Yeah, which is
like almost it just ups the antia nerves, you know,
because you're in like the sanctuary of the man who
made Lion King and Beating the Beast and the voice
of Goofy is there and he's watching your movie.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
To watch Bill watch our movie and then to see
him like smiling or laughing and things like that, and
then to talk to him and his wife afterward, and
they're like it was so true to like how it
was back then. We you know, we really enjoyed it.
(32:36):
And to know that they were like willing to champion it.
That was a big sigh of relief. I think really
boosted our confidence to like try to you know, throw
the net out a little bit farther. Because both Don
and Bill are legitimate Disney legends. They have like have
the title.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Is it ever hard to talk to Bill because his
normal voice sounds so much like goofy.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
And he'll he'll dip into the goofy voice, and I
think it was to mess with us on purpose. You'll
ask him a question in an interview and then he'll
just be like gorgeous like and you'll just see Eric
and I like smiling like like with our big dumb
grind like a dog. Yeah, You're like, wow, that's goofy.
(33:22):
And then and he's kind of smiling because I think
he knows what he's doing. But no, he he does
just kind of sound like that, but he's He and
his wife, his whole family are the nicest, most supportive
people every step of the way since they got involved.
It was what do you need? How can we help?
What can we do? And that makes the whole thing.
(33:44):
I mean, that was really everyone, everyone in our film,
every single person we interview. That was everyone's response. It
was really remarkable. They just they all did it for
basically nothing, and just because they knew it was important
to the fandom and they were helping us, which is crazy,
like that doesn't happen in these types of situations.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
So well, Chris, Eric Scott, this has been great to
get to talk to you, guys. I love the fact
that you, guys, bad on yourself. You saw your dreams
come true. Everybody, go watch it on Disney Plus. If
you haven't seen it yet, maybe by some merch soon,
maybe a Blu Ray soon. So yeah, well, appreciate the
time so much, guys.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
All right, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Back, thank you all. Let's get into it now. A
spoiler free movie review of Final Destination blood Lines, taking
us back to the franchise that has traumatized us all.
The reason I never got into a tanning bed, aside
from the fact that I'm Mexican and have a perfectly
brown complexion debatable, but also the reason why anytime on
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a highway I cannot drive behind any eighteen wheeler hauling
things that are only held down by chains. We all
remember the infamous scene from Final Destination too, where all
the logs come crashing down and killing a whole bunch
of people on the highway. It's also the reason that
some people have a fear of flying roller coasters or
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even gymnastics, and this was said to be one of
the best movies in the franchise. Taking us back to
the very beginning. So what this movie is about. You
have a college student who is having these freaky visions.
He is picturing these people on top of this restaurant,
it's very fancy, at the top of like a huge
skyscraper building. And she is plagued by this memory and
trying to figure out its source, and then starts asking
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questions to her family, and then she discovers well a dark,
hidden family secret, and in order to break down the
cycle of death that is after her entire family, she
has to go seeking answers to find the only person
who can help her break this curse. So, by no
means is this movie breaking away from the formula of
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a final destination movie. It really ramps up the violence
because in that opening scene, it just kind of reminds
you how they have no regard for humanity. Death doesn't
care who you are, And I think that is what
I enjoyed the most about Bloodlines is it doesn't matter
if you're old, if you're young, if you're white, if
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you're black. It doesn't matter. Death is going to take
you out because it has no regard for the human life.
And I think that is what was so shocking about
the opening scene. Where you just see people getting obliterated.
Now overall in Bloodlines, I think they ran out of creativity.
It is hard. This is the sixth movie in the franchise.
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I think all the great deaths have been done. So
I go to these movies because in its history it
has had me change the way I approach things, Like
I was mentioning earlier. It has these moments where we
start to associate the movies with the reasons we don't
do certain things like put our hand down a garbage
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disposal is because how these movies have traumatized us. But
I think they have covered them all because there weren't
any of those moments really in this movie. There was
one really tense scene where they start foreshadowing all the
things that could take you out, and a lot of
it is focused on things inside your house, and that
just freaks me out because I think, Man, if I
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just don't leave my house, I'll be good and sheltered
and comforted right here. But this even tells you, like, man,
there's so many ways you can die in a house,
so many ways you could die in a hospital. So
it does freak you out in those ways, but by
no means does it have another tanning bed scene, does
it have another log scene. They even have a lot
of references to things they've done in the past. So
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it's kind of an ode to the franchise as a whole,
more so than Okay, here is a breath of fresh
air and all these new ideas. But that doesn't mean
it's not enjoyable because if you go into this movie
knowing exactly what it is, I think you're gonna have
a pretty good time. It is the fast and furious
of horror, where you're not going into these movies expecting
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great acting. And that is hard for me because the
acting level in this movie is that of a really
good college student film, where if my friend in college
made this movie, I would think, Man, you're gonna go
on to be huge. You're gonna be the best director
in Hollywood because that level of acting is there. But
for the acting standard I come to expect in a
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horror movie, it's really not there. But I have to
remember that you can't go to these movies expecting things
to be really based in reality, expecting people to act
in the way that you and I would. You have
to expect almost a live action cartoon that is really
dark and twisted because the acting is not there, the
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story is really not there. I hate the trope in
horror movies of somebody younger stumbling upon a family secret
and then having to drive out somewhere to find answers
and talk to somebody who has a vast history of
all this knowledge and the true secret behind the story
has been hiding all these family secrets. I hate that
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trope because it's so annoying and so redundant, and so
focused on just telling you the story as opposed to
showing you overall the story. In Final Destination, Bloodlines just
didn't connect for me. I don't think it was really
supposed to. But I think if that would have been there,
this movie could have had a chance to go good,
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dumb fun to something great, and I think that would
have caught a lot of people by surprise. But I
don't think that's really what they were going for, because
this movie really falls off in the third act. Well,
you even't even care about these characters anymore, and it
becomes so focused on just kind of finishing out the
story and doing the same things it has done in
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the past, maybe a little bit better directing and overall performances,
it would have been there a lot of times. It
was just frustrating and unbelievable. Which I get it. These
movies are supposed to be ridiculous, bloody and be a
total turn off your brain and just enjoy it for
what it is is. But I just saw some wasted
potential there and all that aside. Say you're just going
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into this for brutal kills. The overall effects on them
are over the top, but in a way that looks
a little bit cheap. If you go back to two
thousand when this movie debuted, they had a little bit
more style to them. So I just feel that why
are we still in this position where our special effects
are getting such a downgrade. But overall, the best performance
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in this movie goes to seventy one year old stunt
performer ya Vet Ferguson, who broke the record for the
oldest person to be on fire in a movie. So
you have this big fiery disaster happening on top of
this four hundred foot tower and you see Yavett Ferguson,
who came at of retirement to do this scene being
lit on fire. I'm talking full body burn in a
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silver dress that was the best moment of that opening scene.
There were those moments that even forced me to look
away because anytime somebody has something impaled, I don't care
who you are, it's just hard to take in. So
I will give this movie points for making me feel
squeamish because there were times that I was like, ah,
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I don't want to see this person go through this,
and also give it points because after I left the theater,
I was so paranoid. I didn't really think the movie
affected me that much. But walking down the hall of
the movie theater and in the regal I go to,
you have to go up and down a really big escalator,
and now I was getting on that thing, like all right,
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anybody behind me, is there any chance this thing is
gonna suck me in? Because that was always the myth
growing up that don't play on the escalator because it'll
eat you up and you'll get pushed under that thing.
And if you watch this movie, you know, oh man,
the body can be contorted in really weird ways. And
that was the last thing I wanted to happen to
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me after leaving this movie, even driving home, I was like, okay,
no cars come in. The light is Green, I'm going
to go. It made me paranoid, so it will affect
the way you think for a little bit. It will
make you not want to leave the house, but then
you'll be in the house thinking, man, there's so many
things in here that can take me out. Where is
the rank among the franchise I really dipped out of
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these movies about Final Destination four. I think three was
the last really great one. Overall, Three had the best kills.
Final Destination two had the most memorable kills, with the
log scene a rare case for me where the first
one isn't the best one, but four and five were
pretty unmemorable, So I think Bloodlines is probably right above
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those two. I've seen better special effects in movies that
cost less than this. I feel like a lot of
it was spent in that opening scene, which really takes
you by surprise, but never really gets back to that
level of excitement. But overall, if you don't take it
too seriously, you don't expect really great acting, and you
just want to see a bunch of people die in
really ridiculous ways. And you've been a fan of the
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franchise since the year two thousand, I think you're gonna
have a good time for me. Final Destination just hasn't
been my go to in the horror genre. It was
a pleasant surprise to even know that there was one
on the docket to come out this year. I had
a pretty decent time, and I gave it a bonus
half point for making me feel paranoid, because any movie
that evokes an emotion in me that changes my real life,
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I gotta give credit to you. So for Final Destination
blood Lines, I give it three point five out of
five shards of glass. It's time to head down to
movie Mike. Trailer Paul. I love it when you guys
send me trailers of movies you think I need to
talk about in the trailer Park, and this trailer, by
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far is the one I've been sent the most out
of any trailer ever. It is a movie called The
Long Walk, and I have to say this could quite
possibly be the most perfect trailer because it does everything
a good trailer should do. It evokes emotion in you.
It shows you one thing and then immediately gears you
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towards an entirely different feeling, and ultimately it makes you
want to see the movie by giving you just enough,
not giving you the entire story, but giving you enough
to make you motivated to send it to people like, Oh,
you got to check out this trailer because this movie
looks awesome. And what this movie is about about a
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group of teenage boys who compete in an annual contest
known as the Long Walk. And I love how the
trailer starts out cheery, starts out inspirational, almost talking to
all these boys going around saying this is a really
special event. But then you find out that they have
to maintain a certain speed or they get shot. And
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immediately this trailer takes a turn and it gets dark,
and it gets brutal because you realize that only one
of these boys is going to survive to win the
ultimate prize, which is essentially anything you want a bunch
of money. This movie is based on the work of
Stephen King. Of course it is, of course it is.
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It is from director Francis Lawrence, who also did movies
like Hunger Games, Catching Fire, Hunger Games, Mocking j Parts
one and two. He also did The Ballad of Songbirds
and Snakes. It is coming out on September twelfth, twenty
twenty five. Before I get into more, here is just
a little bit of the Long Walk trailer.
Speaker 6 (45:25):
In the very first Long Walk years ago to inspire
everyday people. It takes heavy sack to sign up for
this contest. I'm not gonna go through the whole rule book,
but it boils down to this.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
If you fall below the speed of three.
Speaker 6 (45:47):
Miles per hour, you get your ticket. Walk until there's
only one of you left.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
My first question is are they running out of Stephen
King books to turn into movies, because The Long Walk
is actually the first novel that he ever wrote. Now,
Carrie was the first Stephen King novel to ever be published,
but before that, he wrote a Long Walk. Carrie is
also a fantastic movie. There are so many great Stephen
King books that were turned into movies that are just
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the best. There have been eighty eight Stephen King stories
turned into movies. That is a lot because he's written
seventy seven books but has written over two hundred short stories.
So in combination between his novels and his short stories,
we got eighty eight movies to pick from. Stephen King
is worth an estimated five hundred million dollars. I think
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that should be higher. He has given us so many
fantastic stories and this was one I was not that
familiar with. So it's all about this big prize that
these boys can get. In the book, it is described
as they can win anything they want for the rest
of their life. The winner has the opportunity to fulfill
any desire, any dream that they want. They also get
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a substantial amount of money, although I think in the
book it's not exactly specified how much money they can get.
But the walk is designed to be a brutal test
of endurance because only one person is expected to survive,
so that's the appealing thing, much like it is in
The Hunger Games, which we have a connection here with
the director of Catching Fire Monk and j Part one
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in Part two being a part of this movie. There's
only one survivor in the Hunger Games, and they win
similar things. They win food and supplies for their district themselves,
they get a life of luxury. They are put into
a very specific community where only winners can live, so
they get like a mansion, they get that celebrity status.
They also mentor future tributes and coach them on how
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to win. So we have some parallels here, and the
entire time I'm watching this trailer, I'm already trying to
pick who is gonna win. And I put myself in
this situation. How long could I last? Walking at least
three miles per hour? Now, if you are not familiar
with my story about ten years ago, that is how
I started my health journey. I was pushing three hundred
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pounds and I decided I needed to make a change
of my life. So I just started walking. And up
to that point I really got no physical activity whatsoever,
So even that was a big deal for me. I
made little changes, like parking further away at the grocery
store so it would make me walk further into the store.
I walk all around the store, I get more steps in.
And that was just my goal. To walk ten minutes
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a day. Fifteen minutes a day added up over time.
I started stacking that up. I sound like that guy
on TikTok who try to make this claim that he
has three days in one day. Oh I love that meme.
But anyway, that is what I started doing. And then
eventually I started running, which if you just watch my
Instagram stories now you think, oh man, this guy's been
running his entire life. He's always been good at running.
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Not the case. Just ten years ago. When I started,
I could barely run a mile without stopping. But now
I'm at a point where I run about forty to
forty five miles a week, which is a lot. I've
run two marathons and that is tough, twenty six point
two miles. And what I've learned a lot of it
is mental. If you run a marathon, those last five miles,
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you really get to know yourself, especially those last two
miles when it's so close you can taste it. It
is all mental. You have to push your body in
ways that you're telling yourself I can do it. I
can get there, even at times when your legs don't
want to kick, they don't want to move whatsoever. It
is that mental drive that gets you there. I think
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if I applied that same mentality to this long walk,
I think I could do it. I think I could win.
A big factor for me is the weather, because that
really affects my runs right now as we are kind
of transitioning from spring into this weird summer remix. If
it is hot out, it is going to weigh me down.
But I think an advantage I have is I just
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don't get tired when it comes to my legs or
my feet. I can keep going. If I did this
long walk and had comfy shoes, I think I could
go the distance. But this gets brutal. I have to
imagine some mental games start being played among you and
the other people trying to win this prize. You start
messing with them a little bit. But I think the
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part that really comes into play is you can't stop.
You can't go to sleep, So that is probably the
biggest factor. Is you're getting no rest. Three miles an
hour may not sound like a lot, like, oh I
could do that once you're not eating, not sleeping. Just
that alone is enough to drive you insane. So I
can't wait to see how that is going to play
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out in this story. In the trailer, you see them
having the physical things that start happening to their bodies,
where they're walking on broken feet. It looks like or
maybe one of them walks so much, maybe breaks their ankle.
Oh oh, And that part of the trailer was hard
for me. Anything with broken bones or anything snapping ough,
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that just gets me because that just tingles this weird
part in my body that I don't like seeing that.
This movie technically falls into the horror category, But to
me it feels more like a dystopian thriller because I
can handle blood and guts people getting killed, but as
soon as somebody snaps an arm or more specifically a
leg or an ankle, that just gets me. I can't
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handle that level. That is true horror to me. The
cast in this is also interesting. Who you heard at
the beginning of the trailer is Mark Hamill. Yes, the
one and only Luke Skywalker. He also does a renowned
Joker in Batman, the animated series. He plays the person
overseeing this deadly journey, and I think somehow works in
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this role perfectly. I like seeing somebody like him who
people just love him because he is associated with one
of the greatest movie characters of all time, Luke Skywalker,
seeing him in a way that we're not really expecting
to and I have to imagine his character in this
is gonna be pretty twisted based upon what he's done
with the character Joker in the animated series. I think
he really has that in him. Also in this cast
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you have Cooper Hoffman, who you may remember if you
watch Licorice Pizza, which was the Paul Thomas Anderson movie
with one of the highest Sisters. He is also the
son of the late Philip Seymour Hoffman, and you can
really see that comparison in this trailer. You also have
David Johnson, who I loved in Alien Romulus. It looks
like they are probably gonna be the two people who
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last the longest in this movie because they do appear
to be the bigger names in this cast. It also
in the trailer focuses on their two characters the most,
so I have to imagine one of them is going
to win. I feel like this movie is gonna get
heavy at times. That first death that they show in
this trailer is really jarring. But just with that death,
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it has me invested in this story already. It's not
coming out until September twelfth, but I'm excited for it,
and I can tell that you guys are already excited
for it because everybody sent me the trailer. I just
love it when a movie like this can come out
with the trailer and spark a conversation. That is what
the movie industry needs to do right now. Make movies
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like this that get people talking that one allow us
as the viewers to put us in that situation, but
also create something that makes me want to go see
it in theaters because I have to see how this
plays out. That creates that immediacy, and that creates movie
moments that translate over into pop culture. That is how
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you do it. And again, I am always backing the
horror genre because I do believe they are the most
innovative as far as creating movies like this that become
a part of just everyday conversation. So I love it again.
The Long Walk is coming out on September twelfth, twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 3 (53:49):
Said that was this week's edition of Movie by Tramer
Bar and.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
That is going to do it for another episode here
of the podcast, But before I go, I gotta give
my listener shout out of the week. We had an
interview last week with Robert Schwartzman, the director of the
new documentary for the Zombies. He was also in The
Princess Diaries. He has some famous family. His uncle is
Francis Ford Coppola, his cousin is Nicholas Cage, and his
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other cousin is Sophia Coppola, who also put him in
her movie The Vergon Suicides. Posted a clip on that.
Overall my social media if you miss that, But that
is where I have this week's listeners shout out of
the week on Instagram. It goes to mal Tag ten eighteen,
who said, when did Your Heart Go Missing? Is such
a great song by Rooney. I had no idea he
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was in the Princess Diaries in that band. Because of
that interview, I did find myself in a Rooney wormhole.
I remember back in the early two thousands going to
Hot Topic, going to Hastings and seeing their self titled
album because it had the Big Bear on it and
just said Rooney and I always thought that was a
cool album cover. My favorite song off that album was
I'm Shaking, which was I think the big hit off that.
(55:00):
The song you're talking about here, Maltag, I believe was
on the album that came out in two thousand and seven,
calling the World. So if you missed that interview with
Robert Schwartzman, just go back one in the feed. He
also talks about his brother Jason Schwartzman. Thanks for all
the comments, the messages, and again, if you ever have
a trailer you think I need to talk about in
the trailer park, send it to me on social media,
(55:20):
hit me up on email Moviemike D at gmail dot com,
And until next week, go out and watch good movies
and I will talk to you later
Hello, and welcome back to movie Mike's movie podcast. I
am your host Movie Mike. Today, I am talking to
the filmmakers behind Not Just the Goof, which is the
documentary about a goofy movie. Just as Documentary Alone took
five years to make. It was all done independently then
went on Disney Plus, so we'll get the full story
behind that. In the movie review, I'll be talking about
the new Final Destination movie Bloodlins and in the Trailer Park,
(00:24):
one of the most requested In the Trailer Park, We'll
be talking about The Long Walk, which is based on
the first ever novel that Stephen King wrote, and no
it is not Carrie. Thank you for being here, Thank
you for being subscribed. Shout out to the Monday Morning
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Movie Mike movie podcast about it get into my conversation
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with the filmmakers behind Not Just the Goof. It is
a documentary about a goofy movie. We're gonna be talking
to directors Chris and Eric and producer Scott how this
movie took five five years to make. They did it
really without the blessing of Disney, and once they had
it done, they were like, Hey, you guys want to
put this on Disney Plus. If you're a longtime listener
(01:09):
of this podcast, you know how much I love a
Goofy movie, And a few weeks ago I did an
episode after I watched this documentary how much I enjoyed it.
They heard that episode, hit me up, and here we are.
So if you two are a big fan of a
Goofy movie and you haven't watched this documentary yet on
Disney Plus, I highly recommend it. But you don't need
to have watched it in order to enjoy this interview,
(01:31):
because this is something I just wanted to dive into
to showcase some people who took a big risk and
created something that they're proud of, and now we're gonna
have a lot of cool opportunities because of it. So
let's get into my conversation now with the filmmakers behind
Not Just a goof Guys, I'm so excited to get
to talk to you, not only because I love talking
(01:52):
about a Goofy movie, but I also love talking to
people who have chased their dreams and just learning about
each of your story ries has been inspiring to me.
So thank you guys for joining me. First of all,
glad to be here. Thanks for having us on on.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah, it was amazing, excited to chat.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Let's get into talking about a Goofy movie. Where were
each of you when you first watched it or your
first memory of watching it, what point in your life
and who did you watch it with?
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Well, I probably watched it by myself, if I'm being honest.
I definitely saw it at home on VHS. My mom
bought it, probably because it was cheaper than The Lion King,
you know it was. It was just like on the
discount beIN at Target or Walmart or something, it's somewhere,
and my mom brought it home and instantly fell in
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love with it.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
It just like hit me so.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Hard and I just desperately wanted to be as cool
as Max and I wanted you know, there's something about
the way Goofy just actively pursues time to be with
his son, and at that point in my life. You know,
if you've seen the documentary, I would have killed for that.
I you know, I just I found that father son
relationship just so impactful for me.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
About you, Eric, I.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Had an extremely rare experience with the first time I
ever watched it, I actually got to go to the
premiere of a Goofy movie at Disney World in Orlando.
For those who have not seen the documentary or know
much about a Goofy movie, it was directed by Kevin Lima,
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who happens to be my uncle. I grew up in Florida,
and one day my mom came to me. It was like, Hey,
we're gonna go see a movie that your uncle Kevin's
been working on. I didn't know what that meant until
I got there.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
And I was in.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
It was like a real kind of movie premiere and
like the voice of Goofy, Bill Farmer was there. I
got to meet him. You can't see it, but I have.
There's a post a Goofy movie poster behind me. There's
also one in front of me that I got Bill
Farmer signed the night that I went to the premiere,
(04:04):
and I still have it. I found it during the
making of our documentary because my mom is a memory
hoarder from when I was a kid and kept it.
That night changed my life because that's when I knew
that I wanted to do something similar.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Was that the first time you kind of realizing what
your uncle did, You're like, oh wait, he's actually doing
things that people are going to watch and attend.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Yeah, because I mean I was still relatively young, and
like I knew that he was like in animation and
stuff like that, because he would come visit me every
once in a while and the kids from the neighborhood
would come over and he would like draw you know,
Goofy or you know, something from a little The Little
Mermaid or something like that. That was always really cool.
(04:51):
But I didn't know that he was like or I
didn't comprehend or understand that he was in charge of
an entire movie until that night, and then it was like, oh, wow,
you you're really cool to me. But yeah, I've always
looked up to Kevin because he's just so nice and
humble like you.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Scott was a little different.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
Actually, I came to a Goofy movie much later. I
didn't see it when it was out in theaters, and
I didn't have the Disney.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Channel growing up.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
So when twenty twenty came around.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
And Chris had the idea for the film, Chris and I,
you know, I'd worked on projects previously before, and he said,
I want to make a movie about my favorite movie.
I want to make a documentary and I was like, cool,
like what is that? And he said, A Goofy movie.
And I said, I think, you know, I've heard of it,
but I don't think I ever saw it. So, you know,
I watched it on Disney Plus, you know, just by
myself and got introduced to this whole world of a
(05:43):
Goofy movie. And I think the thing that struck me
the most was this was a film way ahead of
its time that had this like shared language of how
to communicate between adults and kids and was very interpersonal,
you know, for an animated film even four you know,
Pixar was the thing, and it, yeah, had a huge
impact on me as we started getting more and more
(06:06):
into the documentary, you know, seeing the fandom and the
love for people that have for this movie, it just
resonates really, really deeply.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
So I think that partially is why I'm so inspired
about the story about the documentary. You talk about it
being a five year process now and the fact that
you guys made this on your own, which I think
some people don't realize when they see something like this
pop up on Disney Plus. You're like, oh, Disney put
out this new documentary. Here, let me go check it
out and realizing the story behind it. Where how did
(06:35):
you guys come together five years ago and decide this
is what we're gonna make and this is how we're
gonna start it.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Well, so Disney Plus had just launched, right, and they
I'm obsessed. Actually all three of us are really obsessed
with documentaries but also just peaks behind the Disney curtain.
So anytime Disney drops a new documentary about the making
of something or the you know, the Disney animation just
(07:01):
culture and workplace and kind of give you a peek
behind that, we find that fascinating. And Disney Plus had
just launched and one of their titles was Into the Unknown,
the making of Frozen too. Frozen is a huge, huge property. Obviously,
I didn't connect with Frozen like most of the world
(07:22):
connected with Frozen. I really love Frozen, but it's not
the goofy movie for me, Like that's the film, the
Disney film that speaks to me the most. And I
remember finishing watching Into the Unknown and I turned to
Eric and Scott and I said, I wish this existed
for a goofy movie. I wish that we had what
this has given so many fans just this loving inside
(07:45):
look to what goes into making their favorite thing. I
had known Kevin for a little bit. Eric obviously knows
Kevin very well, and I kind of pitched to Eric.
I said, do you think Kevin would be willing to
go on camera? Maybe we make a YouTube short, maybe
this is a talking head thirty minute, forty minute YouTube thing.
(08:06):
And Eric was like, oh, man, do you know what
he has. He has an actual demo tape of Eye
to Eye. That's all we thought he had. And I said,
oh man, that'd be so cool. We'll make a movie
about the fandom. We'll show the original demo. This is
gonna be great. It's like a thirty minute project. We
put together a pitch deck and a demo song, which
(08:27):
is actually the end credit song in our film, an
original song, and we sent it to Kevin to see
if he'd come on board and kind of see the
tone of what we wanted to do, and he agreed,
and we kind of were off running at that point.
And it wasn't until after we sat down and interviewed
him that he revealed he had a box of tapes
of the making of and that changed the whole project.
(08:50):
We knew that this was going to be something a
bit bigger than we had anticipated.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
So once you're you have the idea, you had that
first interview and you know, okay, we're about to make
something completely different here, and you realize you're about to
be banking on yourself, which is a hard thing to do.
Like something I was just a part of recently is
we shot this special for the ACM Awards that when
we first started it, we didn't know anybody was going
(09:15):
to pick it up. We were spending our own money,
we were just taking our own time to do this
in hopes that somebody would pick it up. And then
as of recording this right now, we found out that
Prime is going to pick it up and it's going
to be on Amazon, And it's like, whoa this thing
that we just created that we just spent our own
money on, spend our own time on. Now it's actually
going to go out into the world. But some people
don't always see that process of sometimes you just had
(09:37):
to kind of bet on yourself, knowing that you're doing
something because I believe in this, I know and I
want this to be seen in the world. But sometimes
people don't see how those steps you have to take
early on. So for you guys, what were those struggles
once you had this idea but you knew that you
weren't going to have any backing from anybody else, that
it's going to be you making this movie.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
One of them was do we go to Disney with
our idea and let them know we want to make
a documentary about a goofy movie or do we just
risk it and try to make the best thing that
we can. And after all coming together and talking that through,
we were like, well, if we go to Disney, some
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unknowns that they have, like why would they trust us,
you know, and they could just squash it or ignore us,
and then it's dead as soon as we had the idea.
Whereas if we just make it and can show this
is what the film is, it's easier to like look
at something and decide whether it's good or not versus
(10:46):
trying to pitch an idea from people that you don't know. Yeah,
we took a gamble. But what made it all possible,
I think is having all those tapes from Kevin, because
it really round it out and gave us so many
paths of story about the making of the film that
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if we didn't have that it definitely wouldn't be what
it is, you know, the thing that we're proud of now.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
So as you guys are going through all those things,
all the footage, what was something that surprised you the most? Like, whoa,
how does this even exist?
Speaker 3 (11:21):
The live action reference footage of Tevin Campbell in the booth,
but also the live action reference footage of the Dancer's
fried eye. That whole sequence blew our minds. We had
no idea that existed. And then you're going through this
box of tapes and it's just it's a high eight tape,
I think, and it just says Tevin Campbell in booth
(11:42):
or live action reference, and your brain explodes with the
possibilities of what could what does that mean?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
What is on here?
Speaker 3 (11:50):
How much of it is on here? And then to
finally see it and to realize that no one has
seen this before, it's just been sitting in this box
for thirty years. That's a real magical moment. And honestly,
we've been sitting on that for almost four years, right,
So that was mind blowing for sure for me. You know,
that's just like movie magic.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
That part of the documentary really blew my mind because
I remember watching that as a kid and being that's
a fun scene. And then you realize how elaborate all
the dance moves are, and to think they went through
that process of getting everybody there together and then basically
animating it like frame by frame of how they did it,
you realize why that scene was so special and why
(12:32):
I had so much flair to it.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
And you you, you know, you kind of you can
see the influences of like Michael Jackson in Print and
Prince and Bobby Brown in power Line. So then when
you hear that the choreographer of the dance is the
guy playing power Line and he choreographed Jennet Jackson's rhythm Nation,
you're seeing all this DNA come together. That makes it
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that much more special for the audience, which is so cool.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
So since you guys went through all this footage and
started including it and Disney wasn't a part of the
picture yet once they did become a part of the picture,
what were some of the obstacles? Because I believe y'all
had a different ending song on this, and you realize
they didn't have the rights to it, so you had
to cut that from it. Were there other moments like that, like,
oh man, we can't even put this in there because
they can't clear it.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Yeah, here's a word of advice for any of those
that are budget conscious, do not use wish upon a
Star in your film because it will cost a lot
of money to license it. That is the song that
we had in our film, and then we learned now
how much it was and it was gone within minutes.
(13:43):
It was just cost prohibitive to license that.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
Surprisingly, there weren't many creative notes that Disney gave us.
It was about a year process from when the film
was mostly like I said, like ninety or ninety five
percent complete. You know, there were still things we added
late in the game, but it's yeah, it took about
a year to go through that process of going through
the reviews, creative reviews, legal reviews, QC reviews to get
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you know, actually on Disney Plus. And fortunately there weren't
many creative notes, but there were lots of licensing song
issues and footage issues and little tweaks we had to
make to just bring down, you know, the cost to
make it essentially releasable. But that was a process, you know,
just a little bit of a little bit of trial
and error and figuring out what worked creatively as well
as what what would work within Disney's timeline.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
We received zero creative notes from Disney, Like we had
creative notes from like other people and everything, but Disney
the company, they didn't give us. They gave us zero
creative notes.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Part of the challenges of the licensing stuff is like
in our documentary, we have a scene where we show
some bits of demos of like songs that didn't make
the movie right well, because they weren't in the movie.
Disney doesn't own those. Those were created by someone and
they weren't used, so Disney didn't buy them and didn't
use them for the movie. So you have Disney asked us, well,
(15:06):
who wrote this, who's singing on it?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
You have to go and track that down. And it's been.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Thirty years right since plus since the movie was being
worked on when these demos came out. So that's the
the technical kind of like really difficult thing to navigate.
It's just trying to go back in time and figure
out no one has Disney doesn't have like a file
cabinet with everything listed out of who's saying on what
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and when it was done and so that's tricky for sure.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
You mean the Disney Vault doesn't actually exist?
Speaker 4 (15:39):
I think I think it does exist, But to access
the vault is like like an Indiana Jones thing. There's
gonna be like a boulder that comes down and darts
shot at you.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
You you gotta unfreeze Walt Disney's head. It's a whole thing.
Since I've been doing this podcast since like six years ago,
I've always talked about a goofy movie, and I've noticed
like pockets of listeners saying, oh, I love that movie too,
And it's been kind of cool to have that connection
with people because when I was a kid, like, I
don't really remember other people talking about it. And I
think one of the first big moments I remember was
(16:14):
in twenty twenty two when the Atlanta episode came out,
when they did the mockumentary about it. I was like, Oh,
there's like this whole other subculture of people who love
this movie. You guys were in the process of still
making the documentary when that episode came out. Did that
affect you guys at all? Were you go like, oh, man,
we got to get this out sooner, or like, oh,
maybe someone else is going to beat us to the punch.
(16:35):
What was that?
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Like, Well, it's interesting because you're right, we were still
shooting our documentary. I think we had a rough cut
assemble kind of you know, with missing key players of
course that we knew we needed to fill in still,
and I get this call from Eric and he says,
have you heard about the Atlanta episode? And all of
a sudden, next thing I know is I'm on a
(16:56):
zoom like this with Kevin and Eric and the three
of us are just going over this mockumentary and it's
blowing our minds. Kevin is like, at first thinking, am
I in this? Like the documentary about the Goofy movie?
And then we all watched it and we kind of
regathered and we realized what it was, which is its
(17:17):
own incredible love letter to a Goofy movie.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
And I think at first.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Like when you read like documentary on Atlanta about a
Goofy movie, our initial reaction was probably, oh man, someone
beat us to this, And then you watch it and
you go, no, this is a piece of the story
that we're going to tell. This is just another layer
ultimately the fandom of what this movie means to people,
and it only made us more motivated to tell our
(17:44):
story because it really kind of hit us that, no,
A Goofy movie is bigger than you think, like even
as big as you thought it was, and how important
it is to us, it matters a lot to a
lot of people. So we found it to be quite
motivating and and it was interesting because when we dropped
the trailer and poster for our film, there was a
(18:05):
lot of you know, oh, Atlanta did it first, and
we kept saying to ourselves, like, there's room for both.
I think people are going to you know, we're huge
fans of Atlanta and what Don Glover put together, and
we just kept saying to ourselves like, well, wait till
you see Tevin in the booth, wait till you see
hear these stories. Like they're two separate things, and I
(18:25):
don't think one discounts the other. It's I think there's
room for both both things to exist. And like I said,
we're huge fans of that Atlanta episode. It's one of
the best episodes of television we've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Ever.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
One of my favorite things about a note Kevin gave
you guys was he's like, why aren't you guys in this?
More like why don't you put more of your story
inside of the documentary? Did that feel a little bit
vulnerable to you because you were trying to make this documentary,
just how this movie was made, all the love and
labor that went into it, and suddenly there are moments
of the documentary that shift on you guys and your
(18:59):
connection with it later at the end of the movie.
How did that feel putting that out into the world,
and how does it feel now with seeing that reception
of people taking that away from it.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
I think it was a lot vulnerable for us for
multiple reasons, because Chris and I both have like personal,
you know, stories attached with like a goofy movie and
our like upbringings and stuff. But also we didn't want
it to feel vain like, oh, we we're doc you know,
(19:31):
we're filmmakers, We're we're going to be in front of
the camera and stuff. It was never like that from
the beginning. But having Kevin kind of explain why it
made sense to us too, like, Okay, we we are
fans of this, and perhaps if we're in it and
are able to talk about why, you'll see it more
(19:55):
from this is a fan perspective rather than you know,
this is like a Disney puff piece kind of a thing.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
It's it's a bit of to your point, it's it's
we didn't want to do it at first. We fought
back against it, and Kevin made the suggestion, you know,
you're the way in for the viewer, and we sat
with that for a while, and when I was writing
my letter, I kept thinking about it as like, well,
maybe this will hold a mirror up for people to
(20:24):
see themselves. Maybe it's you know, my story is very
specific about the Goofy movie. But hopefully when you know,
Mike watches this documentary, he'll see the TV scene and
he'll say, I know what that feeling is, and I
know what movie it is that means that to me,
and he'll relate to it on some level. And it's
(20:46):
very vulnerable, by the way, to air your childhood trauma
out on Disney Plus. So that's something I ever thought
would happen. And it's animated and I'm seeing like a
young dog version of me and the Goofy verse and
my parents are there, and so there's a lot of
trust not only in Kevin, but in creative collaborators like
Eric and Scott. It's I can't objectively watch that scene
(21:09):
and like really process it like maybe I would any
other scene in the movie, because it's just so personal.
So there's a lot of leaning on Scott and Erik
and saying, Okay, I can't watch six year old five
year old animated dog boy Chris and watch his parents?
Does this working objectively?
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Like do you like?
Speaker 3 (21:28):
What is this doing for the film as a whole?
So yeah, it's and it's also finding a balance how
much of the story do I share?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
How much?
Speaker 3 (21:36):
How much do we zoom out of it to make
it a little bit more broad, and how specific do
we want to get It was a lot of trial
and error.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
I'm really glad you included that part because even for
me already having a personal connection with the movie, it
allowed me to have a personal connection with someone else
and also like dig up some things that I didn't
realize how it affected me, because I think with my dad,
like how I saw our relationship is we had a
great relationship as when I was a kid. It was
more so the growing apart later in life that I
(22:07):
was like, oh, that's exactly how it was with Max
and Goofy, and that's kind of how I related with it.
So I think it's interesting to see it from all
these different perspectives and to see everybody kind of come
together and feel like, oh, this is a part of
all of our childhood in some way. Absolutely, Scott, was
there ever a moment as a producer that you thought,
I don't know if this thing is good to see
the light of day?
Speaker 5 (22:27):
Oh I cash, I mean, yeah, two weeks before the
film came out. Yeah, it's a small miracle this this
movie got out. I mean, if you think about classic
Disney character IP that is owned by another company, all
this behind the scenes footage that Disney would you know,
love to have the rights issues, you know, agreements, appearances
(22:52):
for people appearing in the film. I can think of
a dozen times where we all looked at each other,
you know how, that sort of feeling that pit in
our stumf of not knowing how we were going to
get this out into the world. You know, I think
that we all really believed deeply in the mission of
the film and the story. You know, early on, we
knew that we could tell a really great informational documentary
(23:15):
about you know, the history and the creativity of a
Goofy movie. But it was that personal connection and personal
story and the themes about fatherhood that we really were
really driving you know, the film forward when when we
had those hard days and so, you know, we always
wanted to get it on Disney Plus.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
That was always the goal, you know.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
But there were also you know times, long stretches of
time where we were thinking about home, the festival route,
thinking about putting it on YouTube, case starter. You know,
we had several conversations about all those things, all while
still trying to get it on Disney Plus. So, like
you when I have my producer hat on, you're trying
to be the potential you know, potholes in the road
(23:57):
ahead and the issues that might arise with any given
that Chris and Eric wanted to take the film. Even
in the kind of like months and weeks leading up
to the film, we were still having conversations about how
to get it out there in the world.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Did you guys start to feel like a parallel between
the making of this documentary and the making of a
Goofy movie.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
We found out, by the way, I don't think we've
said this yet, but like the space where they edited
a Goofy movie right where in they weren't on the lot.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
They didn't do that on the backlot.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
It was being animated in like Paris, Toronto, Australia, but
it was being assembled in Burbank on this like North
Hollywood Burbank area. And we found out like six months
before the movie came out on Disney Plus that where
we edited our documentary was a block away from where
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they made a Goofy movie. And we had no idea
that we were doing it almost in the same spot.
Down to working with an animation studio in another country,
having conversations like through through video on what it should
look like and how it should should operate.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I mean, there were so many similarities obvious.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
We're kind of a rag tag team.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Yeah, we were all new to our first feature.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
So many parallels. They're just very mind going to think
about it. I think some when we started to see
something happening, it felt very historic, It felt very rare
to be a part of.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Seems like you guys are all so passionate about this,
and when it comes to chasing your passions, it's something
that you would do even if you were getting paid.
You guys don't have to give me a number, but
you guys get paid for getting this thing on Disney Plus.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
I don't know if we can legally say hey, like
how much or anything like legit legally we can't, but yes,
we we got paid. I don't think any of us
are retiring.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Okay, So here here's why I asked. It's because I
want people to support you guys as filmmakers. Is it
as simple as just watching it on Disney Plus? Do
you buy merch?
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Like?
Speaker 1 (26:02):
How do you guys need support for this movie? And
also for you guys to do more things like this,
like how do people support you?
Speaker 3 (26:08):
I think it's watching the film and sharing the film.
That's the number one thing that people can do if
it means something to you. If you watch the film
and you took something away from it and you want
to share that experience or even go on line and
write a kind review, that stuff goes along a long,
long way.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
You know, we're definitely going to make more stuff together.
We're not done.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
We're always We'll have irons in the fire and what
the next one is we're figuring that out right now.
But you know, the film will eventually be available to buy.
We're working on and hopeful that there will be a
Blu Ray release. Of some kind, but it will definitely
be available digitally. We're just now in the process of
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getting it available to everyone because right now it's just
in the US, so we're working on the details of
getting it out internationally, but that is going to happen. Yeah,
watching the film and sharing it is the number one thing.
We did think about making shirts though, Mike, what do
you think I I was saying, we need to we
need to release the Jeffrey Dogs and burg shirt, Like
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I think there needs to be a Jeffrey Dogs and
Burg t shirt.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
I love it. I'll buy ten of those right now.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
I can't think we might do that.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
I don't know who did the animations.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
It was a company in Columbia called Venturia Animation Studios,
and Chris just threw throw a net out on like
Facebook or something, asking if you know anybody knew any
animation companies. And Chris is in the entertainment industry like
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for a day job, and got a referral and we
got hooked up with them, and I'm glad we did
because it was actually their idea to create like create
all the the retail everything, but in the goofy style,
like the Goofy Verse. If you will, so making everybody dogs.
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When we saw the first sketches of that, we're like, absolutely, yes,
this is totally belongs in our film and really adds
something a little bit different. It's definitely unique.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
I'm telling you. The parallel just keep coming. You guys
had to get animation. It's like a whole thing.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
My final question for you guys, you kind of tease
that you're working on something else. You'll have something else
out soon that you're gonna put out into the world.
If you could make a documentary about another unsung movie,
what would it be.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Well, that's almost a trick question, because I want to
tell you I feel like we could. Well, here's the thing.
There are conversations about a couple films. The important thing though,
to remember is it has to be something we feel
deeply about and we feel passionate about. We don't want
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to do the same kind of thing necessarily, and but
but there are movies we love with great, great stories
that we've considered. This feels like an exclusive. I feel
like I can say, you know, we were talking about
a Hook documentary because we love the movie Hook. We
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actually have shot an interview for that. We were talking also,
you know, it's a bit more complicated.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
It's almost impossible.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
But the Emperor's New Groove has this incredible story that
could that could be something potentially, But but again it
all has to come together organically and completely.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
You know, we just we love a Goofy movie. We
have such passion for it.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
If we don't have the same passion for another film
like that, I think the film would be inauthentic and
it would be hard hard to pursue, especially since it
took five years. You know, It's like if it was
about any we'd probably get you know, we'd be like
too beaten down by it and be like, no, we can't,
this is impossible.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
You mentioned needing that passion. Did you ever get sick
of a Goofy movie? Did you ever think, like, man,
maybe I am just a goof.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
I mean, I think we're gonna take at least a
few months off from watching a Goofy movie or or
our film.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
I actually haven't even watched our doc on Disney Plus
all the way through yet, because I'm I've seen it so,
I mean thousands of times now. So also the song
eye to Eye, which is a total like banger. I
love Eye to eye. But I can go like a
few weeks now without singing or hearing eye to eye,
and I'll I'll be OK.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Yeah, yeah, after watching it so many times, how did
you know that it was still good? Because you were like,
I've been in this for so long, We've been working
on it for five years. Is this still good?
Speaker 5 (30:56):
Whenever I watch Chris mentioning the taste of finding Tevin
Campbell in a booth, I still I've seen a hundred
times in our documentary at least, I still get chills.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
There's just something so pure.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
I think about seeing Kevin and the creative team pour
their whole heart and soul into something deeply meaningful to them.
And as a creative going through this process, you really
resonate with the tension and the struggle and fashion and
enthusiasm for wanting to make something that like people are
going to love and then you put it out in
the world. And so there's still part yeah the documentary
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that I've seen a hundred times that I still get
chills at. And that's a very motivating factor when you're
having those hard days of wanting to get it done.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
I think it was a lot easier. I mean, we
were making this for five years, so we'd seen it
a million times before we like really showed it to
anyone besides ourselves and like Kevin. But there was a
screening we did with Bill Farmer and Chris and I
were so nervous for that because we're like, well, if
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he hates it, this thing is over.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
And it was at Don Juan's studio, Yeah, which is
like almost it just ups the antia nerves, you know,
because you're in like the sanctuary of the man who
made Lion King and Beating the Beast and the voice
of Goofy is there and he's watching your movie.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
To watch Bill watch our movie and then to see
him like smiling or laughing and things like that, and
then to talk to him and his wife afterward, and
they're like it was so true to like how it
was back then. We you know, we really enjoyed it.
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And to know that they were like willing to champion it.
That was a big sigh of relief. I think really
boosted our confidence to like try to you know, throw
the net out a little bit farther. Because both Don
and Bill are legitimate Disney legends. They have like have
the title.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Is it ever hard to talk to Bill because his
normal voice sounds so much like goofy.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
And he'll he'll dip into the goofy voice, and I
think it was to mess with us on purpose. You'll
ask him a question in an interview and then he'll
just be like gorgeous like and you'll just see Eric
and I like smiling like like with our big dumb
grind like a dog. Yeah, You're like, wow, that's goofy.
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And then and he's kind of smiling because I think
he knows what he's doing. But no, he he does
just kind of sound like that, but he's He and
his wife, his whole family are the nicest, most supportive
people every step of the way since they got involved.
It was what do you need? How can we help?
What can we do? And that makes the whole thing.
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I mean, that was really everyone, everyone in our film,
every single person we interview. That was everyone's response. It
was really remarkable. They just they all did it for
basically nothing, and just because they knew it was important
to the fandom and they were helping us, which is crazy,
like that doesn't happen in these types of situations.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
So well, Chris, Eric Scott, this has been great to
get to talk to you, guys. I love the fact
that you, guys, bad on yourself. You saw your dreams
come true. Everybody, go watch it on Disney Plus. If
you haven't seen it yet, maybe by some merch soon,
maybe a Blu Ray soon. So yeah, well, appreciate the
time so much, guys.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
All right, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Back, thank you all. Let's get into it now. A
spoiler free movie review of Final Destination blood Lines, taking
us back to the franchise that has traumatized us all.
The reason I never got into a tanning bed, aside
from the fact that I'm Mexican and have a perfectly
brown complexion debatable, but also the reason why anytime on
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a highway I cannot drive behind any eighteen wheeler hauling
things that are only held down by chains. We all
remember the infamous scene from Final Destination too, where all
the logs come crashing down and killing a whole bunch
of people on the highway. It's also the reason that
some people have a fear of flying roller coasters or
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even gymnastics, and this was said to be one of
the best movies in the franchise. Taking us back to
the very beginning. So what this movie is about. You
have a college student who is having these freaky visions.
He is picturing these people on top of this restaurant,
it's very fancy, at the top of like a huge
skyscraper building. And she is plagued by this memory and
trying to figure out its source, and then starts asking
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questions to her family, and then she discovers well a dark,
hidden family secret, and in order to break down the
cycle of death that is after her entire family, she
has to go seeking answers to find the only person
who can help her break this curse. So, by no
means is this movie breaking away from the formula of
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a final destination movie. It really ramps up the violence
because in that opening scene, it just kind of reminds
you how they have no regard for humanity. Death doesn't
care who you are, And I think that is what
I enjoyed the most about Bloodlines is it doesn't matter
if you're old, if you're young, if you're white, if
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you're black. It doesn't matter. Death is going to take
you out because it has no regard for the human life.
And I think that is what was so shocking about
the opening scene. Where you just see people getting obliterated.
Now overall in Bloodlines, I think they ran out of creativity.
It is hard. This is the sixth movie in the franchise.
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I think all the great deaths have been done. So
I go to these movies because in its history it
has had me change the way I approach things, Like
I was mentioning earlier. It has these moments where we
start to associate the movies with the reasons we don't
do certain things like put our hand down a garbage
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disposal is because how these movies have traumatized us. But
I think they have covered them all because there weren't
any of those moments really in this movie. There was
one really tense scene where they start foreshadowing all the
things that could take you out, and a lot of
it is focused on things inside your house, and that
just freaks me out because I think, Man, if I
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just don't leave my house, I'll be good and sheltered
and comforted right here. But this even tells you, like, man,
there's so many ways you can die in a house,
so many ways you could die in a hospital. So
it does freak you out in those ways, but by
no means does it have another tanning bed scene, does
it have another log scene. They even have a lot
of references to things they've done in the past. So
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it's kind of an ode to the franchise as a whole,
more so than Okay, here is a breath of fresh
air and all these new ideas. But that doesn't mean
it's not enjoyable because if you go into this movie
knowing exactly what it is, I think you're gonna have
a pretty good time. It is the fast and furious
of horror, where you're not going into these movies expecting
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great acting. And that is hard for me because the
acting level in this movie is that of a really
good college student film, where if my friend in college
made this movie, I would think, Man, you're gonna go
on to be huge. You're gonna be the best director
in Hollywood because that level of acting is there. But
for the acting standard I come to expect in a
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horror movie, it's really not there. But I have to
remember that you can't go to these movies expecting things
to be really based in reality, expecting people to act
in the way that you and I would. You have
to expect almost a live action cartoon that is really
dark and twisted because the acting is not there, the
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story is really not there. I hate the trope in
horror movies of somebody younger stumbling upon a family secret
and then having to drive out somewhere to find answers
and talk to somebody who has a vast history of
all this knowledge and the true secret behind the story
has been hiding all these family secrets. I hate that
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trope because it's so annoying and so redundant, and so
focused on just telling you the story as opposed to
showing you overall the story. In Final Destination, Bloodlines just
didn't connect for me. I don't think it was really
supposed to. But I think if that would have been there,
this movie could have had a chance to go good,
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dumb fun to something great, and I think that would
have caught a lot of people by surprise. But I
don't think that's really what they were going for, because
this movie really falls off in the third act. Well,
you even't even care about these characters anymore, and it
becomes so focused on just kind of finishing out the
story and doing the same things it has done in
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the past, maybe a little bit better directing and overall performances,
it would have been there a lot of times. It
was just frustrating and unbelievable. Which I get it. These
movies are supposed to be ridiculous, bloody and be a
total turn off your brain and just enjoy it for
what it is is. But I just saw some wasted
potential there and all that aside. Say you're just going
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into this for brutal kills. The overall effects on them
are over the top, but in a way that looks
a little bit cheap. If you go back to two
thousand when this movie debuted, they had a little bit
more style to them. So I just feel that why
are we still in this position where our special effects
are getting such a downgrade. But overall, the best performance
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in this movie goes to seventy one year old stunt
performer ya Vet Ferguson, who broke the record for the
oldest person to be on fire in a movie. So
you have this big fiery disaster happening on top of
this four hundred foot tower and you see Yavett Ferguson,
who came at of retirement to do this scene being
lit on fire. I'm talking full body burn in a
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silver dress that was the best moment of that opening scene.
There were those moments that even forced me to look
away because anytime somebody has something impaled, I don't care
who you are, it's just hard to take in. So
I will give this movie points for making me feel
squeamish because there were times that I was like, ah,
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I don't want to see this person go through this,
and also give it points because after I left the theater,
I was so paranoid. I didn't really think the movie
affected me that much. But walking down the hall of
the movie theater and in the regal I go to,
you have to go up and down a really big escalator,
and now I was getting on that thing, like all right,
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anybody behind me, is there any chance this thing is
gonna suck me in? Because that was always the myth
growing up that don't play on the escalator because it'll
eat you up and you'll get pushed under that thing.
And if you watch this movie, you know, oh man,
the body can be contorted in really weird ways. And
that was the last thing I wanted to happen to
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me after leaving this movie, even driving home, I was like, okay,
no cars come in. The light is Green, I'm going
to go. It made me paranoid, so it will affect
the way you think for a little bit. It will
make you not want to leave the house, but then
you'll be in the house thinking, man, there's so many
things in here that can take me out. Where is
the rank among the franchise I really dipped out of
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these movies about Final Destination four. I think three was
the last really great one. Overall, Three had the best kills.
Final Destination two had the most memorable kills, with the
log scene a rare case for me where the first
one isn't the best one, but four and five were
pretty unmemorable, So I think Bloodlines is probably right above
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those two. I've seen better special effects in movies that
cost less than this. I feel like a lot of
it was spent in that opening scene, which really takes
you by surprise, but never really gets back to that
level of excitement. But overall, if you don't take it
too seriously, you don't expect really great acting, and you
just want to see a bunch of people die in
really ridiculous ways. And you've been a fan of the
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franchise since the year two thousand, I think you're gonna
have a good time for me. Final Destination just hasn't
been my go to in the horror genre. It was
a pleasant surprise to even know that there was one
on the docket to come out this year. I had
a pretty decent time, and I gave it a bonus
half point for making me feel paranoid, because any movie
that evokes an emotion in me that changes my real life,
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I gotta give credit to you. So for Final Destination
blood Lines, I give it three point five out of
five shards of glass. It's time to head down to
movie Mike. Trailer Paul. I love it when you guys
send me trailers of movies you think I need to
talk about in the trailer Park, and this trailer, by
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far is the one I've been sent the most out
of any trailer ever. It is a movie called The
Long Walk, and I have to say this could quite
possibly be the most perfect trailer because it does everything
a good trailer should do. It evokes emotion in you.
It shows you one thing and then immediately gears you
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towards an entirely different feeling, and ultimately it makes you
want to see the movie by giving you just enough,
not giving you the entire story, but giving you enough
to make you motivated to send it to people like, Oh,
you got to check out this trailer because this movie
looks awesome. And what this movie is about about a
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group of teenage boys who compete in an annual contest
known as the Long Walk. And I love how the
trailer starts out cheery, starts out inspirational, almost talking to
all these boys going around saying this is a really
special event. But then you find out that they have
to maintain a certain speed or they get shot. And
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immediately this trailer takes a turn and it gets dark,
and it gets brutal because you realize that only one
of these boys is going to survive to win the
ultimate prize, which is essentially anything you want a bunch
of money. This movie is based on the work of
Stephen King. Of course it is, of course it is.
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It is from director Francis Lawrence, who also did movies
like Hunger Games, Catching Fire, Hunger Games, Mocking j Parts
one and two. He also did The Ballad of Songbirds
and Snakes. It is coming out on September twelfth, twenty
twenty five. Before I get into more, here is just
a little bit of the Long Walk trailer.
Speaker 6 (45:25):
In the very first Long Walk years ago to inspire
everyday people. It takes heavy sack to sign up for
this contest. I'm not gonna go through the whole rule book,
but it boils down to this.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
If you fall below the speed of three.
Speaker 6 (45:47):
Miles per hour, you get your ticket. Walk until there's
only one of you left.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
My first question is are they running out of Stephen
King books to turn into movies, because The Long Walk
is actually the first novel that he ever wrote. Now,
Carrie was the first Stephen King novel to ever be published,
but before that, he wrote a Long Walk. Carrie is
also a fantastic movie. There are so many great Stephen
King books that were turned into movies that are just
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the best. There have been eighty eight Stephen King stories
turned into movies. That is a lot because he's written
seventy seven books but has written over two hundred short stories.
So in combination between his novels and his short stories,
we got eighty eight movies to pick from. Stephen King
is worth an estimated five hundred million dollars. I think
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that should be higher. He has given us so many
fantastic stories and this was one I was not that
familiar with. So it's all about this big prize that
these boys can get. In the book, it is described
as they can win anything they want for the rest
of their life. The winner has the opportunity to fulfill
any desire, any dream that they want. They also get
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a substantial amount of money, although I think in the
book it's not exactly specified how much money they can get.
But the walk is designed to be a brutal test
of endurance because only one person is expected to survive,
so that's the appealing thing, much like it is in
The Hunger Games, which we have a connection here with
the director of Catching Fire Monk and j Part one
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in Part two being a part of this movie. There's
only one survivor in the Hunger Games, and they win
similar things. They win food and supplies for their district themselves,
they get a life of luxury. They are put into
a very specific community where only winners can live, so
they get like a mansion, they get that celebrity status.
They also mentor future tributes and coach them on how
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to win. So we have some parallels here, and the
entire time I'm watching this trailer, I'm already trying to
pick who is gonna win. And I put myself in
this situation. How long could I last? Walking at least
three miles per hour? Now, if you are not familiar
with my story about ten years ago, that is how
I started my health journey. I was pushing three hundred
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pounds and I decided I needed to make a change
of my life. So I just started walking. And up
to that point I really got no physical activity whatsoever,
So even that was a big deal for me. I
made little changes, like parking further away at the grocery
store so it would make me walk further into the store.
I walk all around the store, I get more steps in.
And that was just my goal. To walk ten minutes
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a day. Fifteen minutes a day added up over time.
I started stacking that up. I sound like that guy
on TikTok who try to make this claim that he
has three days in one day. Oh I love that meme.
But anyway, that is what I started doing. And then
eventually I started running, which if you just watch my
Instagram stories now you think, oh man, this guy's been
running his entire life. He's always been good at running.
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Not the case. Just ten years ago. When I started,
I could barely run a mile without stopping. But now
I'm at a point where I run about forty to
forty five miles a week, which is a lot. I've
run two marathons and that is tough, twenty six point
two miles. And what I've learned a lot of it
is mental. If you run a marathon, those last five miles,
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you really get to know yourself, especially those last two
miles when it's so close you can taste it. It
is all mental. You have to push your body in
ways that you're telling yourself I can do it. I
can get there, even at times when your legs don't
want to kick, they don't want to move whatsoever. It
is that mental drive that gets you there. I think
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if I applied that same mentality to this long walk,
I think I could do it. I think I could win.
A big factor for me is the weather, because that
really affects my runs right now as we are kind
of transitioning from spring into this weird summer remix. If
it is hot out, it is going to weigh me down.
But I think an advantage I have is I just
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don't get tired when it comes to my legs or
my feet. I can keep going. If I did this
long walk and had comfy shoes, I think I could
go the distance. But this gets brutal. I have to
imagine some mental games start being played among you and
the other people trying to win this prize. You start
messing with them a little bit. But I think the
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part that really comes into play is you can't stop.
You can't go to sleep, So that is probably the
biggest factor. Is you're getting no rest. Three miles an
hour may not sound like a lot, like, oh I
could do that once you're not eating, not sleeping. Just
that alone is enough to drive you insane. So I
can't wait to see how that is going to play
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out in this story. In the trailer, you see them
having the physical things that start happening to their bodies,
where they're walking on broken feet. It looks like or
maybe one of them walks so much, maybe breaks their ankle.
Oh oh, And that part of the trailer was hard
for me. Anything with broken bones or anything snapping ough,
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that just gets me because that just tingles this weird
part in my body that I don't like seeing that.
This movie technically falls into the horror category, But to
me it feels more like a dystopian thriller because I
can handle blood and guts people getting killed, but as
soon as somebody snaps an arm or more specifically a
leg or an ankle, that just gets me. I can't
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handle that level. That is true horror to me. The
cast in this is also interesting. Who you heard at
the beginning of the trailer is Mark Hamill. Yes, the
one and only Luke Skywalker. He also does a renowned
Joker in Batman, the animated series. He plays the person
overseeing this deadly journey, and I think somehow works in
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this role perfectly. I like seeing somebody like him who
people just love him because he is associated with one
of the greatest movie characters of all time, Luke Skywalker,
seeing him in a way that we're not really expecting
to and I have to imagine his character in this
is gonna be pretty twisted based upon what he's done
with the character Joker in the animated series. I think
he really has that in him. Also in this cast
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you have Cooper Hoffman, who you may remember if you
watch Licorice Pizza, which was the Paul Thomas Anderson movie
with one of the highest Sisters. He is also the
son of the late Philip Seymour Hoffman, and you can
really see that comparison in this trailer. You also have
David Johnson, who I loved in Alien Romulus. It looks
like they are probably gonna be the two people who
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last the longest in this movie because they do appear
to be the bigger names in this cast. It also
in the trailer focuses on their two characters the most,
so I have to imagine one of them is going
to win. I feel like this movie is gonna get
heavy at times. That first death that they show in
this trailer is really jarring. But just with that death,
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it has me invested in this story already. It's not
coming out until September twelfth, but I'm excited for it,
and I can tell that you guys are already excited
for it because everybody sent me the trailer. I just
love it when a movie like this can come out
with the trailer and spark a conversation. That is what
the movie industry needs to do right now. Make movies
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like this that get people talking that one allow us
as the viewers to put us in that situation, but
also create something that makes me want to go see
it in theaters because I have to see how this
plays out. That creates that immediacy, and that creates movie
moments that translate over into pop culture. That is how
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you do it. And again, I am always backing the
horror genre because I do believe they are the most
innovative as far as creating movies like this that become
a part of just everyday conversation. So I love it again.
The Long Walk is coming out on September twelfth, twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 3 (53:49):
Said that was this week's edition of Movie by Tramer
Bar and.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
That is going to do it for another episode here
of the podcast, But before I go, I gotta give
my listener shout out of the week. We had an
interview last week with Robert Schwartzman, the director of the
new documentary for the Zombies. He was also in The
Princess Diaries. He has some famous family. His uncle is
Francis Ford Coppola, his cousin is Nicholas Cage, and his
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other cousin is Sophia Coppola, who also put him in
her movie The Vergon Suicides. Posted a clip on that.
Overall my social media if you miss that, But that
is where I have this week's listeners shout out of
the week on Instagram. It goes to mal Tag ten eighteen,
who said, when did Your Heart Go Missing? Is such
a great song by Rooney. I had no idea he
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was in the Princess Diaries in that band. Because of
that interview, I did find myself in a Rooney wormhole.
I remember back in the early two thousands going to
Hot Topic, going to Hastings and seeing their self titled
album because it had the Big Bear on it and
just said Rooney and I always thought that was a
cool album cover. My favorite song off that album was
I'm Shaking, which was I think the big hit off that.
(55:00):
The song you're talking about here, Maltag, I believe was
on the album that came out in two thousand and seven,
calling the World. So if you missed that interview with
Robert Schwartzman, just go back one in the feed. He
also talks about his brother Jason Schwartzman. Thanks for all
the comments, the messages, and again, if you ever have
a trailer you think I need to talk about in
the trailer park, send it to me on social media,
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hit me up on email Moviemike D at gmail dot com,
And until next week, go out and watch good movies
and I will talk to you later
Host
Mike D
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