Marvel announced the Multiverse Saga what movies and shows we will be getting in Phase 4, 5 and 6. Mike breaks down each title, what is the most exciting, what’s missing and will there be any big surprises? Mike also gives his spoiler-free review on Jordan Peel’s ‘Nope’ and why you will either love or hate this movie…there is no in-between! In the trailer park, Mike gives his theories about Black Panther: Wakanda Forever and who could be the next Black Panther.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, and welcome back to Movie Mix Movie Podcast. I
am your host, Movie Mike, and if you are a
Marvel fan, you're in the right place. Today we have
Marvel news coming out the butt and today I'm breaking
it all down for you. We'll talk about all the
big announcements they made about Phase five, Phase six, will
even explain what phases are because I know sometimes that
gets confusing, and then we have to talk about the
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Wakonda Forever trailer. And then in the movie review, I
want to talk about Jordan's Peel's new horror classic. Yes
I'm calling it a classic already. The movie is called Nope.
Thank you for being here for listening every single week,
and shout out to the Monday Morning Movie crew for
listening on release day. You guys already know what this is.
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Let's talk movies. In a world where everyone and their
mother has a podcast, one man stands to infiltrate the
ears of listeners like never before in a movie podcast.
A man with so much movie knowledge, he's basically like
a walking Audi MTV with classes from the Nashville Podcast Network.
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Movie Kevin Figy came out and made all the big
announcements at San Diego Comic Con. I did a deep
dive into this and have it all organized out to
talk about today. And if you don't know who Kevin
fi is, he is the Marvel Studios president. He is
the one who oversees everything in the m c U.
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And we'll get into what they announced about Phase five
and Phase six, but before I do want to go
back and do some history and lay down the ground
work of exactly what our phases. So let's go back
to Phase one, which took place from two thousand and
eight to two thousand and twelve. Started off with Iron Man,
then went into the Incredible Hulk, iron Man two, four,
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Captain America, the First Avenger, and then ended with The Avengers.
So Phase one introduced all of the biggest characters that
would be consistent throughout the m c U, and then
capped it all with the movie that really changed everything
and really defined Marvel with The Avengers, which really started
to create this idea that everything would be building towards
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something They started early with having the post credit scenes
and having all the stories intertwined just a little bit,
maybe a little less than it is now. It was
all just fun, new and exciting, so that is what
Phase one is. And then you have Phase two, which
took place from it included the movies Iron Man three, Four,
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The Dark World, Captain America, The Winter Soldier, Guardians of
the Galaxy, Avengers, Age of Oldtron, and then ended with
ant Man, maybe so far the weakest phase, but still
a good phase. And then we get into Phase three,
which is the phase I feel everybody loves, the phase
that really defined Marvel and the one that now we
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will all forever remember, and it's the phase that we
almost hold all of our standards too. And with people
complaining now about Phase four are going into five and six,
I think it's because we think of this of like
the golden age of Marvel. It's the glory days. It's
the day we were the most in tune and got
some of the best titles they've ever produced. So from
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twenty nineteen, Phase three had movies such as Captain in America,
Civil War, Doctor Strange, Guardians of the Galaxy, Volume two,
Spider Man Homecoming, Thor, Ragnarok, Black Panther, Avengers, Affinity War,
Aunt Man in the Wasp, Captain Marvel, Avengers, End Game,
and then ended with Spider Man Far from Home, it
really doesn't get better than Phase three. So many great
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standalone movies. They were all building towards this end game,
which was unlike anything we'd ever seen. And with that
being not only the climax of Phase three, but really
all the previous phases, all those movies really builded towards endgame.
And then you get Spider Man Far from Home, which
was a really good closing chapter on the entire thing
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and really left us with that, Okay, we have to
move on to something new, what's in store for the future.
So Phase one to Phase three was dubbed the Infinity Saga,
and now we officially have the name for Phase four
through five and six, which will be known now as
the Multiverse Saga. Which multiverse is the buzzword right now.
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It's the thing you have to make to make an
interesting movie. It is what Marvel is really banking on now.
And I am excited about the Multiverse. I think it's
a very fun concept to explore. But Phase four it
was also the start of Marvel putting out all the
TV shows, and Phase four kicked off from one too
now will end in two started with one Division Falcon
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and the Winter Soldier, which were Disney Plus shows. The
first movie in Phase four was Black Widow, and then
you had the other Disney Plus shows like Loki What If.
We got a really big breath of fresh air with
Shang Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings. We
went on the downward spiral with the Eternals, but I
like that they were trying to do something different, even
though I would put that probably as the worst m
c U movie ever to be made. And then you
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had Hawkeye on Disney Plus, which was a really fun show,
Fighter Man No Way Home. In between that you had
another Disney Plus show with Moon Night than the Multiverse
of Madness. That continues what we have going in two
also with Miss Marvel on Disney Plus Ford Love and Thunder,
and then coming to Disney Plus later will be She
Hulk Attorney at Law. In this phase will end with
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The Black Panther Waconda Forever. A pretty quick phase, and
maybe this was supposed to be spread out a little more.
Got a little weird there with twenty nothing came out
in regards of Marvel and everything was pushed to one.
And now that we wrap it up in two seems
pretty quick. We had more content in these two years,
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then we had in the previous three years spanning Phase three,
so that will end Phase four. Let's get into now
what was announced at Comic Con, Phase five, which will
take place from three to four. So it looks now
like all the phases are just going to be a year,
but I'm a k with that because there is so
much content within all of these phases, and we'll get
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into a little bit more depth on each title. But
coming up first will be ant Man and the Wasp
Quantum Mania, which will come out on February sevree. You
have Paul Rudd coming back, Evangeline Lily coming back. Jonathan
Myers is set to star as the villain Kang. You
also have he who remains from season one of Loki.
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And I know aunt Man gets a lot of crap
for being kind of the runt of all of the Avengers,
being the why are you here? But I actually find
the ant Man movies pretty entertaining. I feel like all
the solo movies kind of exist in their own genre,
and to me, aunt Man is kind of like the
Judd Apatel movies of the Marvel Cinematic universe. I feel
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that in the comedic style from the real life interactions,
just to kind of how comical they make the character
out to be, and even making fun of his super
Year of Powers throughout those two movies, which some people
think his superpowers are done, but it actually finding to
be pretty cool. I did see a funny theory though,
that aunt Man probably could have wrapped up killing Thanos
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a lot sooner by shrinking all the way down and
then expanding inside of Thanos. I feel like that would
have been too easy, but really makes you think then
it again. That's coming out on February three. I think
that'd be a pretty solid entry into Phase five. After
that we'll get Secret Invasion, which is a series on
Disney Plus. But the next movie after that will be
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Guardians of the Galaxy Volume three, directed by James Gunn,
will come out on May five, and this is it.
This is the third and final film. And when it
comes to all the solo movies, I find the Guardians
of the Galaxy movies to be really strong. I credit
that a lot to the director, James Gunn, who also
did one of my favorite TV shows of last year, Peacemaker.
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He also did The Suicide Squad. I really love seeing
what he does inside the m c U because he
is so focused in on making really fleshed out characters who,
even if it's outside of a superhero movie, they just
have a really great story and putting that into such
an immersive world. That is what the Guardians of the
Galaxy is. Can't wait to see the emotional journey that
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these characters go on. Because they reported that Gomorrah is
coming back. She can't remember her time as a member
of the Guardians of the Galaxy, so it's Chris Pratt's
character dealing with that. I think it's gonna be a
pretty big emotional journey. After that, you'll get a Disney
Plus series called Echo in Summer of three, which will
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start the Villain from Hawkeye, and that's all I'll say
about that one. After that, the next movie will get
is The Marvels, which is the sequel to Captain Marvel,
and that comes out on July. If you say that
Captain Marvel is your least favorite m c U film,
I think you gotta go rewatch that one. I found
that movie so exciting. I thought Breed Larson did an
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amazing job. I just think she plays a really heroic
character and that movie left me so excited to see
how her character would go into Avengers Endgame, which I
thought she also played a really big role in that too,
so I'm curious to see how they follow that one up.
After that, we'll get low Key Season two on Disney Plus.
Tom Hittleston is back and they're filming that one right now.
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That'll be out in the summer of this next one,
and I'm really interested in because my Herschela Ali will
play Blade, Yes, the iconic vampire Hunter. They're rebooting it
and it's coming down on November three. It also starts
Kit Harrington, who you would know as John Snow from
Game of Thrones. Now you may think Marvel may not
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have a great track record with vampire characters, with Morbius
being an abomination this year, but Morbis actually isn't in
the m c U. He is on the Sony side
of Marvel, so this movie will have nothing to do
with that. Marshila Ali is a phenomenal actor, so I
can only imagine what his acting abilities will bring to
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the Blade character. Again. That comes out on November three.
After that will get another series on Disney Plus called
Iron Heart, which just by looking at the trailer will
get to know more about iron Heart back at the
end of Phase four with Black Panther Will Conda Forever.
Then we'll get another series, Agatha Coven of Chaos, which
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is a spinoff of Wan Division, and that will move
us into this is gonna be a big one. Captain
America New World Order. Anthony Mackie is in as Captain America.
It's been an interesting shift from going from Chris Evans
giving the power over to Anthony Mackie. I don't know why,
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but all personally we have this thing of always wanting
to see Chris Evans as Captain America. He played it
so well. He embodies the character. Sometimes it's even a
little bit hard to not see him as Captain America.
So I'm hoping for a complete tonal shift in the
solo movies to make him different. And I feel it's
because Chris Evans really came to his own with the
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help of the Russo Brothers, really kind of embodying what
Captain America was, made him a little bit more rugged,
made him a little bit more defined in the Avengers movies,
and I think that's why he came to be a
lot of people's favorites. For what he did in those movies,
even more so than his solo movies. So I would
really like to see some of that grit carried over,
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but also just Anthony mackew to make the character his own,
because I'll admit story wise, alone, with what I saw
the Disney Plus series, I felt like that entire series
really could have just been a movie. So I hope
they took that series and have something completely different. I
just want a little bit higher stakes for Captain America
to continue and to warrant its own movie. But I
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love Anthony Mackie and think he is still the person
to do this now that we don't have Chris Evans.
And then after that, in the spring of we have
a Disney Plus show that of all these shows I've
been talking about, this is the one that I just
will watch on the day it comes out and watch
every single episode as it's released, and it'll be for
a while because we have eighteen episodes coming with Daredevil
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Born Again. So this originally started back on Netflix with
Charlie Cox as Daredevil. We had all of those Netflix
shows like to Punisher, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist,
and they made up the Defenders, and now all of
those shows are on Disney Plus, which to some it
was a little bit weird because they were grittier shows.
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And that's why I love these shows so much, is
because they did have more of an edge to them.
And then to close out Phase five of the Multiverse saga,
we will get Thunderbolts, which is essentially Marvel Suicide Squad,
which on the DC side has been hit or miss
more specifically one miss and one hit with these Suicide Squad,
and it's a movie about this team who consists mostly
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of Reform supervillains, much like they are in the Suicide Squad.
I love Marvel. I think people have been a little
bit overly critical on Phase four, saying that everything's felt rushed,
that there's too much coming out, And really the only
thing I've complained about as far as there being a
lot of content, looking back on it, I should be
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excited about that. I should be more grateful for that,
looking back on all these phases where sometimes we had
very few movies in every phase, I think now is
the best time to be a Marvel fan. The only
thing has been hard for me that I've picked out
from these movies, even before everybody was complaining about this
is the visual effects. Some of them I feel aren't
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up to part. You go back to movies from two
thousand and eight, two thousand and ten, I watching as
a viewer, was so immersed in these movies that I
felt like I was watching something that could actually happen.
They made it look so real, they made it look
so believable, and I think that's why we all fell
in love with these movies initially. You go back on
those early movies in Phase one, two and three, and
you can't mess with those v effects. They still hold
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up to today's standards, and I feel like they're even
more advanced than now. And even reading stories about some
of the VFX artists saying that they're under critical work conditions,
that they're being rushed, that it's a terrible place to
work for Marvel, I try to listen to that as
subjectively as I can. I think if somebody is speaking
out about that, there has to be something there. I
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think with any profession you have in the entertainment industry,
sometimes there are harsh deadlines, especially when they're cranking out
so many movies, so many TV shows. I think, as
a fan sometimes it's just hard to believe that as
big as an entity that Marvel is, you think with
all their resources, You think, with the Disney Pool and
all the money they throw to make these movies, that
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there would be more people available. I wonder if it's
maybe that designing some of these v fects doesn't matter
how many people you have, Like only one person can
work on something for so long. I really don't know
how it breaks down. And I would love to talk
to somebody who works in the VFX department over at Marvel,
but maybe they can't talk to anybody. I think now
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as Marvel fans, we're really being catered to and giving
what we kind of asked for was more content. I
feel a little bit overwhelmed sometimes when I do get
behind on the series, but I realize that just because
it comes out doesn't mean I have to watch it
at that very second, which sometimes it feels that way.
You see your friends talking about it and you see
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they've already finished a series, and you automatically feel behind,
and you don't want to go back and start a
show that somebody's already done with. I think that's what
I struggled with a little bit, and I just have
this weird mental thing of wanting to start something and
finishing it immediately. I also like self contain things, which
is why I'm so big into movies, because you can
just sit down and watch an entire story from getting
to end, and you get everything there, you finish after
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two hours, and you feel complete. It's harder for me
to feel complete where there's always a new show coming out,
So I think I just feel overwhelmed at times with
all the content. But I think once that slows down
a little bit, has a little bit of time to breathe.
I think just had everything so delayed that we got
so much at one time, and then it's just hard
when all the TV shows connect into the movies. I
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kind of like that separation between the movies and the
TV shows. And also people complain about feeling that none
of these things are really building towards anything, and if
you look back in the history of all this, that's
kind of what we got before. We didn't really know
in the beginning that they were all building towards what
we ended up getting an endgame. We didn't really feel
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that until phase three, and I think now we put
it under the microscope a little bit more and try
to plot ahead of what's going to come. But after
listening to this announcement and seeing everything that's coming, hearing
Kevin fig You talk about it, I feel like right
now is a really big building moment. We have a
lot of things to look forward to, and I don't
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think they're going to let us down. And I think
some of the most exciting stuff off will come in
Phase six, which they really just only announced three projects from,
and this will be from, and what we're getting here
is Fantastic four. On November eight, John Kazinski will neither
confirm or deny that he will be a part of
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this or that his wife Emily Blunt will be Susan
Storm and say that she is that. I think that
would make the first time a married couple has ever
been on screen in a Marvel movie. This one's interesting
because I'm not a fan of any of the previous
attempts to make a Fantastic Four movie, And there are
such great comic book characters, and you think that would
just easily transfer into making a movie about them. It
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just hasn't worked. Kind of in the same vein that
the Incredible Hulk movies haven't really left the lasting impression
on audiences, even though I freaking love the Incredible Hulk
and I'm not even the biggest John Krasinski fan, but
I think if he is attached to this, if Emily
Blunt ends up being a part of this, I have
a little bit more hope in Fantastic four. I'll give
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it a third chance. But the thing I'm most excited
about are the two Avengers movies and the fact that
they are six months apart. Avengers the King Dynasty comes
out on May two, and then you have Avengers Secret
Wars coming out on November seven. No one has really
been confirmed as far as characters. They did announce destined.
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Daniel Creton will be directing this. He directed Shang Chi.
Kind of surprised they're not going with the Russo brothers,
but he did such a great job with Shang Chi.
Maybe they're going for something different here. Maybe they just
want a fresh approach on the Avengers, and it seems
like all the movies that come before this, especially the
fact that Fantastic Four comes out the year before, you
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think they'll be a part of it. Anthony Mackie as
Captain America will probably be a part of it. Can
you imagine Blade as an Avenger. Probably won't get the
Guardians of the Galaxy. If that's going to be their
third and final film, They're probably done after that. Of
course you'll have aunt Man, and then maybe you'll see
some more people from Phase four like Shang Chi, Hawkeye,
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Moon Night could be interesting, or who knows, maybe they
throw she Hulk in there. But I find this all
to be really exciting. I just love the title Avengers
Secret Wars based on the comic book. I don't know
if they're going to draw exactly from that storyline. It
seems like Marvel tends to deviate a little bit from
those stories and give us something that we haven't seen
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done before, kind of always keep us on our toes.
So I'm excited for this. I guess I'm drinking the
kool aid and saying I'm all in for Phase five
and Phase six. I do find some things interesting that
I didn't see. They didn't announce a solo Spider Man movie.
They did announce an animated Spider Man TV show coming
to Disney Plus, but there's no announcement on Tom Holland
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returning in his own solo movie. And usually the Spider
Man movies aren't a part of these big anouncements because
he's still owned by Sony and they have a whole
contract with Disney to allow him to appear in the
m c U. I did see from a pretty reliable
source that Spider Man will be a part of the
Fantastic four movie. They are saying that he has been
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confirmed to be in Fantastic four. So hopefully in between
there we get the next Spider Man movie, which could
be his last movie, or maybe he makes it to
the Avengers. I think if it is, he's had a
pretty good run. I would hate to see that because
those movies have been some of my favorites. And also
I'm just not ready to go through another recasting and
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another reboot of Spider Man, but I'm sure that's inevitable.
The other thing I don't see here is another Thoor
solo movie which we saw Thor Lomon Thunder, and according
to articles, according to that movie, we're supposed to have
a return of Thoor. I don't know if they weren't
ready to announce that yet because that movie just came out,
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or perhaps he is skipping Phase five in Phase six,
but hopefully that announcement comes within the next year or so,
because I would like to see another Thorn movie. And
the other surprising thing is there were no sequels to
some of the characters in Phase four. I don't see
a Shankei sequel. I don't see an Eternal sequel. It
seems like we got sequels pretty quickly in previous phases,
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or maybe that's down the line in Phase seven. It
doesn't seem like the multiverse saga will end after Phase six,
so maybe that will be the next round of announcements.
I'm sure once more details emerge on who will be
cast in the Avengers movies will get a better picture
on that. Will anybody from the m CU return? I
think that would be amazing. Which is the multiverse saga,
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And as we've seen in other movies, you can transcend
not only timelines, but you can transcend different generations, bringing
in characters that you never thought would exist in a
movie together. What's there to say that they don't bring
Robert Downey Jr. Back as Iron Man from a different multiverse,
an entirely different Tony Stark, who isn't the one who
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died at the end of Endgame. They bring back Chris
Evans as Captain America, who is not the one that
decided to hang it up, or maybe even bring back
Mark Ruffalo as the Incredible Hulk, which I almost expected
there to be a new Incredible Hulk movie. I think
it is time for that. But the way that character
breaks down, the movie rights are owned by Universal, and
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Universal is not letting the Incredible Hulk go. What it
boils down to is Disney cannot make any money off
an Incredible Hulk movie. They would have to pay so
much to Universal, So why make a movie if you
can't make any money off of it? Even though I
think now it would be the perfect time to have
a solo Hulk movie. But I think by the time
we get to these Avengers movies, anything can happen. I
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feel like all of these phases are building towards something
really magic will happening. I think that's why they put
these two Avengers movies back to back. We have to
be set up for something huge. And the way that
Infinity War and End Game or film they were filmed
at the same time, it was essentially one big movie
split into two. I think that's what they did here.
Instead of giving us a year in between, they give
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us six months, so, needless to say, an exciting time
to be a Marvel fan. Let's get into it now.
I want to talk about the movie Nope, which was
one of my most anticipated movies of the summer. I
am just instantly drawn to Jordan Peele's work. He also
directed movies like Get Out Us and this is his
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third movie as a director. And I'm going to do
this review a little bit different. I saw the initial
trailer when it first came out. I saw the Super
Bowl trailer, and he was pretty cryptic about the details
he wanted to put out surrounding this movie. They did
release a trailer about a month ago, they gave a
lot more about the plot. But after watching this movie
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and now knowing a whole lot about it, I think
it made me enjoy it more. So what I'm going
to share with you on this review, it will be
spoiler free and it will be more just about how
the movie made me feel and some of the key
elements without really talking a whole lot about the plot details.
I'm going to stay away from even referencing some of
the things that happened in it, because I think if
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you go into it without knowing a whole lot, you
will enjoy it more. But I will also tell you
what kind of a movie fan you have to be,
what your taste has to be to enjoy it. And
if you hear these things and think, oh, that's not
for me, and you probably won't enjoy this movie. Because
I think it's not for everybody. I've been seeing pretty
split views on it. I think you're gonna either love
or hate this movie. So that's what I'm going to
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explain here. So the first thing I loved about this
movie is how it looks. It is visually the most
appealing movie I've seen in a very long time. Cinematically,
I think it's his best shot at the Nimax Cameras,
worked with a really great cinematographer, and I feel this
movie there are so many scenes that happen at night,
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and shooting at night is very difficult, and they were
able to film this movie in a way that made
you feel like you do whenever you go out in
the middle of the night, and like the country not
a whole lot of things around. That's how I felt
watching this movie, whether it be when I would be
in Mexico and I have to go out to the
bathroom at night and be utterly scared because I could
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barely see my hand in front of me. This movie
made it feel like what it is for your eyes
to adjust in total darkness and you can kind of
pick things out, Like That's how I felt watching this movie.
I legit had that feeling while watching this movie, and
that's all just from the visual aspect. So I thought
that was a really interesting thing to bring into a
horror movie like this. Even calling it a horror movie
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feels not completely accurate because I think if I say
horror movie, you're gonna be wanting to be scared the
entire time. I don't think it's like that. It's a
little bit more of a suspense thriller. There are some
scary elements to it, but if you go on expecting
blow ut and guts, you're not going to get that.
The movie does a really great job at building tension.
It's been compared to Jaws a lot, where you don't
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really see the monster a whole lot. It builds on
your letting your mind explore, letting your mind build up,
and using your imagination as a viewer to make things
more scary, and so for that reason, if you're going
in for a lot of jump scares, a lot of crazy,
you know, horrific visuals, I don't think you'll get that,
so you have to really be paying attention during this movie.
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Along those same lines, though, it does have like a
classic horror movie type feel, almost like a Twilight Zone episode,
which Jordan Peele has also been involved in, so I
can see that influence coming over. So I feel like
he not only took his inspiration from that, also from
Spielberg doing Jaws. Maybe it's just because I'm a big
Simpsons fan, but I kind of felt like this was
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a Treehouse of Horror episode coming to life. So it
was all those things for me put together that really
made me enjoy with this movie. And it created a
real world that it felt like one we could live in,
but just a little bit skewed, a little bit weird,
but it really worked in creating this sense of mystery.
Daniel Khaluyah, who is the lead in this, plays a
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very ominous character and he's a really great actor. It
was as we've seen in movies like Judas in The
Black Messiah and Black Panther, and this is his most
subdued role i've really seen him in so far. He
plays a very quiet, keeps to himself type of guy,
and even when this crazy event is happening, he keeps
his cool like pretty much the entire movie, so it
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was interesting to see him play that kind of character.
Kiki Palmer also does a really great job in this
movie playing his sister, and I mean, at the root
of this movie, it's about their relationship as brother and
sister and their relationship with their dad and then kind
of working through some things that they never really were
able to fully flesh out his kids and now they're adults.
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You also have Stephen Yun, who you may remember from
movies like Minori and he was also in The Walking Dead,
plays a really interesting character in this movie. He plays
a former child actor who went through something pretty traumatic
and is now trying to cope with that in an
even more bizarre way. And what I'm not saying a
whole lot about the plot is I almost feel a
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little bit like it's kind of a spoiler. As I
read more and more about it and saw interviews that
Jordan Peele was doing, I learned more about what it
was going to be. But I think that idea of
being completely Surprised really added a lot to me enjoying
it a whole lot more So. This is going to
be a movie that I not only do a spoiler
episode for, but a complete explanation and interpretation of what
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I think all the themes were. Because Jordan Peele's work,
it always has a message he's trying to convey. I
think this is the most ambitious one he's had so far,
and maybe the less appealing to the most wide audience,
because his other movies had more of that horror element,
that blood and guts violence that's a little bit more
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jarring to viewers, and this one is not entirely psychological,
but I would say supernatural. I'll leave it at that.
The other thing that really sucked me in is it
was a very loud, quiet movie. And what I mean
by that is I've been talking about oldest tension that
the movie build. It does that very subtly, but they're
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able to amplify even the smallest sounds like breathing, like
footsteps and make them sound very big and loud, and
it really did a good job at creating that sense
of being scared, also like putting you in that situation
of what these characters were going through. I thought that
was a really nice touch combined with the visuals. So
is this movie for you? If you watch Get Out
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or US and enjoyed those movies, I think you will
enjoy this one because it's very much in the same style.
I think his take on horror. It's a very modern approach,
and it's a movie that you'll watch and you or
have to listen to my spoiler episode or go read
an article about to get all the details of what
exactly everything meant and how it tied together. I enjoyed
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those movies. I like movies to where I watched him
for the first time, I interpreted my way, go back
and see what the director actually was trying to say,
and see other people's theories. I find those movies very enjoyable,
adding that extra element of it becoming a part of
your life. I'm still thinking about this movie after seeing it,
probably still be thinking about it for another week or two,
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and it's a movie that I'm definitely going to want
to watch again. Now. On the other side, I've been
seeing people say that it's not scary at all, that
it wasn't anything like they were expecting. That a lot
of it was random and dumb and not worth the
over two hour runtime. I saw Logan Paul be one
of the biggest outspoken people saying this is one of
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the worst movies he's ever seen. So I think that's
the polar opposites here. You either watched the movie and
have so many questions and think that was dumb? What
did that? Even me wasn't scary and I cared nothing
about it. But if you go on with a pretty
open mind and really pay attention to it, I think
all of the questions that the movie raises, it does
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answer within the film, and I think that's what made
me enjoy it even more is I feel like everything
in this movie, every little piece, had a reason to
be there. All of the character storylines, all of the
elements and the props used in the movie, they all
have a very significant meaning and it's up to us
as viewers to take and interpret those and take it
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for what it is. So I like movies that do that.
I really like Jordan Peel's vision that he wrote, directed,
and produced this movie. I think that is saying a lot.
To be able to watch something and just know the
director's voice and it feels like something very novel, which
is something that I searched for every single time I
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watch a movie, and I think it's because I do
watch so many films. I love to find a movie
that I've never seen done before, and I think that's
what Nope is. So it went for something completely bold,
and for some people that'll land and for some people
that won't. So I'm gonna rate it based on that,
on liking his two previous films and this being a
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movie that's just right up my alley. Sometimes there are
movies that I'm already going into knowing I'm going to love,
So I'll admit I have a bit of a bias
on this. I'm not too proud to admit that as
a movie reviewer, as a film enthusiast, this is a
movie I was already had high hopes for, and just
the aesthetic is something that appeals to me. There are
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things in life that I think we all have that
just because something has an aesthetic, whether it be you
like drinking Starbucks because you like getting the Starbucks cup,
you like drinking out of a hydro flask, you like
driving a forward, whatever you're doing now, sometimes you just
like the aesthetic and you'll defend that because it's your favorite.
That's how I feel about Jordan peele movies. I don't
think I liked it as much as Get Out, but
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I definitely liked it more than us, so I would
give Nope four point five out of five horses. It's
time to head down to movie. Let's talk about it now,
Wakonda Forever, which is coming out on November eleven. This
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will end Phase four of the mc U. I think
this is the most emotional I've been in a movie
trailer in a very long time. This movie looks like
it's going to be amazing on a whole different level
than anything Marvel is doing. I think Black Panther, much
like The Dark Knight was, really transcends what a superhero,
what a comic book movie could be. All those kind
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of guidelines go out the window. And by seeing this trailer,
seeing how much more advanced it looks visually, and how
it really just sets itself apart from any other movie
out right now, whether it be a superhero movie or not.
I think that part alone has me excited. Also the
fact that it will deal with ta Challa's death and
the real life out of Chadwick Boseman, which watching this
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trailer and seeing his mural in it just really hits
you in the fields. The music, and there's so many
elements to this and I'll get into more about the
theory surrounding this movie now that we know a little
bit more about the plot, but here's just a little
bit of the Black Panther Wakonda Forever trailer. Are you Queen?
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I'll leave a Fouler phone this shot. This is the
world I like any dia following. It's calm, Have I
stop given everything? Listen to that. If you watch that
and don't feel anything, maybe you get your heart check.
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And the movie trailer starts with a different version of
No Woman, No Cry, and you see all the people
of Wakonda mourning the death of Chadwick Boseman. It appears
to be some kind of ritual, maybe some kind of
funeral for him. So it's looking like this movie takes
place after the blip, after the events of everything we've
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seen before, and then mourning the death of their leader.
In the trailer, they're wearing white, which is what the
Wakondans where when they're mourning somebody. And what I've seen
so far from the plot and the trailer, they're not
really seeing when he dies, whether it takes place right
after his death, whether somehow they address it at the
beginning of the movie. And I'm hoping it just picks
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up right after his death. I think that will be
the biggest emotional note to start on, and then dealing
with the rebuilding of where to go from there. Also
in this trailer, you see some new characters here. You
see the birth of Naymore, who was a character introduced
in the Marvel comics way back in nineteen nine, even
before Aquaman. But that's kind of what he is. He
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is this mutant son who lives in the ocean. You
see the Atlanta teens, who are the other characters in
this It gives me a lot of Avatar vibes, but
in a good way, mainly because the characters are blue.
He is kind of like this green blue, so he
seems to be some kind of mutant hybrid between both
of them. And it doesn't really seem clear whether or
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not the Atlanteans are the villains or not in this movie.
Marvel is kind of known to trick us sometimes in
their trailers. It makes a little bit more sense that
they will be the opposing force in this. But also
you see in the trailer is some military figures, some
people who seem to go to the Wacondins and hold
some of them hostage to get some things. Maybe it
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seems to be somebody wants some of the vibranium. Maybe
the Atlanteans have some of it of their own, and
that's where they are coming together with the people of Wakondam.
Maybe they are fighting together. I think that would be
a little bit more interesting that it's them learning to
fight together against some of the humans who are acting
up in this trailer. But the biggest question we have
from this trailer is who is going to be the
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next Black panther t Challa is gone. I think the
easy answer is that it is Surey. Other people are
saying Nikia. I think personally it's probably Sherry. There is
some references in this trailer, much like the interactions that
she had with the Challa. I feel like she is
kind of next up in this. But there's also this
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theory that Michael B. Jordan's returns as kill Manger. I
would love to see that. I think that's probably the
biggest stretch, particularly because in this trailer you do get
a glimpse of it there at the very end of
somebody in the Black Panther suit with a hand that
goes out with the claw. But looking at that profile,
it looks a little bit more feminine to me, so
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it brings me back to it being Shrey. But we
also know that Marvel sometimes tricks us with their trailers.
They edit stuff out later. That could be a bit
of a misdirection to If you remember from Black Panther,
when kill Manger died, he asked to be buried in
the ocean. That's where the Atlanteans are. Maybe they found
his body. Maybe they did just like they did in
the first one, and bring them back to life. It's
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been done before. There have been crazier things than a
Marvel movie, and how exciting would that be? Either way,
I couldn't be more excited to see this movie. It
comes out on November eleven, two, not that far away.
This makes and that's it for another episode of the podcast.
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But before I hop out of here, every single week
I give a listener shout out to anybody who sends
me a tweet d M or emails me movie Mike
d at gmail dot com. Today I'm going over to Twitter,
and the shoutout is to Ricky Douglas, who replied to
a video I posted and said congrats. Always look forward
to the pod makes my Monday commute a little easier.
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And the video he is replying to is I put
up a message saying that I was looking at the
numbers or the downloads and streams of this podcast and
it's the highest that's ever been for this last quarter.
So I just wanted to say thank you for listening.
If you've listened to one episode, or if you listen
every single week, if you're a part of the Monday
Morning Movie crew, if you've recommended this podcast to a friend,
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or if you just listen and don't interact at all,
I know you're there too because I see those downloads,
so that really means a lot to me. I think
we've build a really fun interactive movie community here, whether
you reply to some of the topics on Twitter or
Instagram or Facebook. I love getting your perspective on this
as well, seeing what are your favorite movies, what everybody
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else is going to watch. And then I also love
doing the spoiler episodes, and I wasn't sure if people
like those or not, but just by looking at people
who download the main episodes and the spoiler episodes, I
think you enjoy those two, especially with the bigger movies.
So I will keep doing those with all the big titles,
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especially looking forward to doing the one about Nope, because
I'll give that spoiler review and also talk about my
theories and what I think that movie meant and was
trying to say. So just another thank you here. I
hope you have a great rest of your week, and
until next time, go out and watch good movies and
I'll talk to you later. M
Hello, and welcome back to Movie Mix Movie Podcast. I
am your host, Movie Mike, and if you are a
Marvel fan, you're in the right place. Today we have
Marvel news coming out the butt and today I'm breaking
it all down for you. We'll talk about all the
big announcements they made about Phase five, Phase six, will
even explain what phases are because I know sometimes that
gets confusing, and then we have to talk about the
(00:20):
Wakonda Forever trailer. And then in the movie review, I
want to talk about Jordan's Peel's new horror classic. Yes
I'm calling it a classic already. The movie is called Nope.
Thank you for being here for listening every single week,
and shout out to the Monday Morning Movie crew for
listening on release day. You guys already know what this is.
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Let's talk movies. In a world where everyone and their
mother has a podcast, one man stands to infiltrate the
ears of listeners like never before in a movie podcast.
A man with so much movie knowledge, he's basically like
a walking Audi MTV with classes from the Nashville Podcast Network.
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Movie Kevin Figy came out and made all the big
announcements at San Diego Comic Con. I did a deep
dive into this and have it all organized out to
talk about today. And if you don't know who Kevin
fi is, he is the Marvel Studios president. He is
the one who oversees everything in the m c U.
(01:24):
And we'll get into what they announced about Phase five
and Phase six, but before I do want to go
back and do some history and lay down the ground
work of exactly what our phases. So let's go back
to Phase one, which took place from two thousand and
eight to two thousand and twelve. Started off with Iron Man,
then went into the Incredible Hulk, iron Man two, four,
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Captain America, the First Avenger, and then ended with The Avengers.
So Phase one introduced all of the biggest characters that
would be consistent throughout the m c U, and then
capped it all with the movie that really changed everything
and really defined Marvel with The Avengers, which really started
to create this idea that everything would be building towards
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something They started early with having the post credit scenes
and having all the stories intertwined just a little bit,
maybe a little less than it is now. It was
all just fun, new and exciting, so that is what
Phase one is. And then you have Phase two, which
took place from it included the movies Iron Man three, Four,
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The Dark World, Captain America, The Winter Soldier, Guardians of
the Galaxy, Avengers, Age of Oldtron, and then ended with
ant Man, maybe so far the weakest phase, but still
a good phase. And then we get into Phase three,
which is the phase I feel everybody loves, the phase
that really defined Marvel and the one that now we
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will all forever remember, and it's the phase that we
almost hold all of our standards too. And with people
complaining now about Phase four are going into five and six,
I think it's because we think of this of like
the golden age of Marvel. It's the glory days. It's
the day we were the most in tune and got
some of the best titles they've ever produced. So from
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twenty nineteen, Phase three had movies such as Captain in America,
Civil War, Doctor Strange, Guardians of the Galaxy, Volume two,
Spider Man Homecoming, Thor, Ragnarok, Black Panther, Avengers, Affinity War,
Aunt Man in the Wasp, Captain Marvel, Avengers, End Game,
and then ended with Spider Man Far from Home, it
really doesn't get better than Phase three. So many great
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standalone movies. They were all building towards this end game,
which was unlike anything we'd ever seen. And with that
being not only the climax of Phase three, but really
all the previous phases, all those movies really builded towards endgame.
And then you get Spider Man Far from Home, which
was a really good closing chapter on the entire thing
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and really left us with that, Okay, we have to
move on to something new, what's in store for the future.
So Phase one to Phase three was dubbed the Infinity Saga,
and now we officially have the name for Phase four
through five and six, which will be known now as
the Multiverse Saga. Which multiverse is the buzzword right now.
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It's the thing you have to make to make an
interesting movie. It is what Marvel is really banking on now.
And I am excited about the Multiverse. I think it's
a very fun concept to explore. But Phase four it
was also the start of Marvel putting out all the
TV shows, and Phase four kicked off from one too
now will end in two started with one Division Falcon
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and the Winter Soldier, which were Disney Plus shows. The
first movie in Phase four was Black Widow, and then
you had the other Disney Plus shows like Loki What If.
We got a really big breath of fresh air with
Shang Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings. We
went on the downward spiral with the Eternals, but I
like that they were trying to do something different, even
though I would put that probably as the worst m
c U movie ever to be made. And then you
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had Hawkeye on Disney Plus, which was a really fun show,
Fighter Man No Way Home. In between that you had
another Disney Plus show with Moon Night than the Multiverse
of Madness. That continues what we have going in two
also with Miss Marvel on Disney Plus Ford Love and Thunder,
and then coming to Disney Plus later will be She
Hulk Attorney at Law. In this phase will end with
(05:22):
The Black Panther Waconda Forever. A pretty quick phase, and
maybe this was supposed to be spread out a little more.
Got a little weird there with twenty nothing came out
in regards of Marvel and everything was pushed to one.
And now that we wrap it up in two seems
pretty quick. We had more content in these two years,
(05:43):
then we had in the previous three years spanning Phase three,
so that will end Phase four. Let's get into now
what was announced at Comic Con, Phase five, which will
take place from three to four. So it looks now
like all the phases are just going to be a year,
but I'm a k with that because there is so
much content within all of these phases, and we'll get
(06:04):
into a little bit more depth on each title. But
coming up first will be ant Man and the Wasp
Quantum Mania, which will come out on February sevree. You
have Paul Rudd coming back, Evangeline Lily coming back. Jonathan
Myers is set to star as the villain Kang. You
also have he who remains from season one of Loki.
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And I know aunt Man gets a lot of crap
for being kind of the runt of all of the Avengers,
being the why are you here? But I actually find
the ant Man movies pretty entertaining. I feel like all
the solo movies kind of exist in their own genre,
and to me, aunt Man is kind of like the
Judd Apatel movies of the Marvel Cinematic universe. I feel
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that in the comedic style from the real life interactions,
just to kind of how comical they make the character
out to be, and even making fun of his super
Year of Powers throughout those two movies, which some people
think his superpowers are done, but it actually finding to
be pretty cool. I did see a funny theory though,
that aunt Man probably could have wrapped up killing Thanos
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a lot sooner by shrinking all the way down and
then expanding inside of Thanos. I feel like that would
have been too easy, but really makes you think then
it again. That's coming out on February three. I think
that'd be a pretty solid entry into Phase five. After
that we'll get Secret Invasion, which is a series on
Disney Plus. But the next movie after that will be
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Guardians of the Galaxy Volume three, directed by James Gunn,
will come out on May five, and this is it.
This is the third and final film. And when it
comes to all the solo movies, I find the Guardians
of the Galaxy movies to be really strong. I credit
that a lot to the director, James Gunn, who also
did one of my favorite TV shows of last year, Peacemaker.
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He also did The Suicide Squad. I really love seeing
what he does inside the m c U because he
is so focused in on making really fleshed out characters who,
even if it's outside of a superhero movie, they just
have a really great story and putting that into such
an immersive world. That is what the Guardians of the
Galaxy is. Can't wait to see the emotional journey that
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these characters go on. Because they reported that Gomorrah is
coming back. She can't remember her time as a member
of the Guardians of the Galaxy, so it's Chris Pratt's
character dealing with that. I think it's gonna be a
pretty big emotional journey. After that, you'll get a Disney
Plus series called Echo in Summer of three, which will
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start the Villain from Hawkeye, and that's all I'll say
about that one. After that, the next movie will get
is The Marvels, which is the sequel to Captain Marvel,
and that comes out on July. If you say that
Captain Marvel is your least favorite m c U film,
I think you gotta go rewatch that one. I found
that movie so exciting. I thought Breed Larson did an
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amazing job. I just think she plays a really heroic
character and that movie left me so excited to see
how her character would go into Avengers Endgame, which I
thought she also played a really big role in that too,
so I'm curious to see how they follow that one up.
After that, we'll get low Key Season two on Disney Plus.
Tom Hittleston is back and they're filming that one right now.
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That'll be out in the summer of this next one,
and I'm really interested in because my Herschela Ali will
play Blade, Yes, the iconic vampire Hunter. They're rebooting it
and it's coming down on November three. It also starts
Kit Harrington, who you would know as John Snow from
Game of Thrones. Now you may think Marvel may not
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have a great track record with vampire characters, with Morbius
being an abomination this year, but Morbis actually isn't in
the m c U. He is on the Sony side
of Marvel, so this movie will have nothing to do
with that. Marshila Ali is a phenomenal actor, so I
can only imagine what his acting abilities will bring to
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the Blade character. Again. That comes out on November three.
After that will get another series on Disney Plus called
Iron Heart, which just by looking at the trailer will
get to know more about iron Heart back at the
end of Phase four with Black Panther Will Conda Forever.
Then we'll get another series, Agatha Coven of Chaos, which
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is a spinoff of Wan Division, and that will move
us into this is gonna be a big one. Captain
America New World Order. Anthony Mackie is in as Captain America.
It's been an interesting shift from going from Chris Evans
giving the power over to Anthony Mackie. I don't know why,
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but all personally we have this thing of always wanting
to see Chris Evans as Captain America. He played it
so well. He embodies the character. Sometimes it's even a
little bit hard to not see him as Captain America.
So I'm hoping for a complete tonal shift in the
solo movies to make him different. And I feel it's
because Chris Evans really came to his own with the
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help of the Russo Brothers, really kind of embodying what
Captain America was, made him a little bit more rugged,
made him a little bit more defined in the Avengers movies,
and I think that's why he came to be a
lot of people's favorites. For what he did in those movies,
even more so than his solo movies. So I would
really like to see some of that grit carried over,
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but also just Anthony mackew to make the character his own,
because I'll admit story wise, alone, with what I saw
the Disney Plus series, I felt like that entire series
really could have just been a movie. So I hope
they took that series and have something completely different. I
just want a little bit higher stakes for Captain America
to continue and to warrant its own movie. But I
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love Anthony Mackie and think he is still the person
to do this now that we don't have Chris Evans.
And then after that, in the spring of we have
a Disney Plus show that of all these shows I've
been talking about, this is the one that I just
will watch on the day it comes out and watch
every single episode as it's released, and it'll be for
a while because we have eighteen episodes coming with Daredevil
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Born Again. So this originally started back on Netflix with
Charlie Cox as Daredevil. We had all of those Netflix
shows like to Punisher, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist,
and they made up the Defenders, and now all of
those shows are on Disney Plus, which to some it
was a little bit weird because they were grittier shows.
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And that's why I love these shows so much, is
because they did have more of an edge to them.
And then to close out Phase five of the Multiverse saga,
we will get Thunderbolts, which is essentially Marvel Suicide Squad,
which on the DC side has been hit or miss
more specifically one miss and one hit with these Suicide Squad,
and it's a movie about this team who consists mostly
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of Reform supervillains, much like they are in the Suicide Squad.
I love Marvel. I think people have been a little
bit overly critical on Phase four, saying that everything's felt rushed,
that there's too much coming out, And really the only
thing I've complained about as far as there being a
lot of content, looking back on it, I should be
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excited about that. I should be more grateful for that,
looking back on all these phases where sometimes we had
very few movies in every phase, I think now is
the best time to be a Marvel fan. The only
thing has been hard for me that I've picked out
from these movies, even before everybody was complaining about this
is the visual effects. Some of them I feel aren't
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up to part. You go back to movies from two
thousand and eight, two thousand and ten, I watching as
a viewer, was so immersed in these movies that I
felt like I was watching something that could actually happen.
They made it look so real, they made it look
so believable, and I think that's why we all fell
in love with these movies initially. You go back on
those early movies in Phase one, two and three, and
you can't mess with those v effects. They still hold
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up to today's standards, and I feel like they're even
more advanced than now. And even reading stories about some
of the VFX artists saying that they're under critical work conditions,
that they're being rushed, that it's a terrible place to
work for Marvel, I try to listen to that as
subjectively as I can. I think if somebody is speaking
out about that, there has to be something there. I
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think with any profession you have in the entertainment industry,
sometimes there are harsh deadlines, especially when they're cranking out
so many movies, so many TV shows. I think, as
a fan sometimes it's just hard to believe that as
big as an entity that Marvel is, you think with
all their resources, You think, with the Disney Pool and
all the money they throw to make these movies, that
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there would be more people available. I wonder if it's
maybe that designing some of these v fects doesn't matter
how many people you have, Like only one person can
work on something for so long. I really don't know
how it breaks down. And I would love to talk
to somebody who works in the VFX department over at Marvel,
but maybe they can't talk to anybody. I think now
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as Marvel fans, we're really being catered to and giving
what we kind of asked for was more content. I
feel a little bit overwhelmed sometimes when I do get
behind on the series, but I realize that just because
it comes out doesn't mean I have to watch it
at that very second, which sometimes it feels that way.
You see your friends talking about it and you see
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they've already finished a series, and you automatically feel behind,
and you don't want to go back and start a
show that somebody's already done with. I think that's what
I struggled with a little bit, and I just have
this weird mental thing of wanting to start something and
finishing it immediately. I also like self contain things, which
is why I'm so big into movies, because you can
just sit down and watch an entire story from getting
to end, and you get everything there, you finish after
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two hours, and you feel complete. It's harder for me
to feel complete where there's always a new show coming out,
So I think I just feel overwhelmed at times with
all the content. But I think once that slows down
a little bit, has a little bit of time to breathe.
I think just had everything so delayed that we got
so much at one time, and then it's just hard
when all the TV shows connect into the movies. I
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kind of like that separation between the movies and the
TV shows. And also people complain about feeling that none
of these things are really building towards anything, and if
you look back in the history of all this, that's
kind of what we got before. We didn't really know
in the beginning that they were all building towards what
we ended up getting an endgame. We didn't really feel
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that until phase three, and I think now we put
it under the microscope a little bit more and try
to plot ahead of what's going to come. But after
listening to this announcement and seeing everything that's coming, hearing
Kevin fig You talk about it, I feel like right
now is a really big building moment. We have a
lot of things to look forward to, and I don't
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think they're going to let us down. And I think
some of the most exciting stuff off will come in
Phase six, which they really just only announced three projects from,
and this will be from, and what we're getting here
is Fantastic four. On November eight, John Kazinski will neither
confirm or deny that he will be a part of
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this or that his wife Emily Blunt will be Susan
Storm and say that she is that. I think that
would make the first time a married couple has ever
been on screen in a Marvel movie. This one's interesting
because I'm not a fan of any of the previous
attempts to make a Fantastic Four movie, And there are
such great comic book characters, and you think that would
just easily transfer into making a movie about them. It
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just hasn't worked. Kind of in the same vein that
the Incredible Hulk movies haven't really left the lasting impression
on audiences, even though I freaking love the Incredible Hulk
and I'm not even the biggest John Krasinski fan, but
I think if he is attached to this, if Emily
Blunt ends up being a part of this, I have
a little bit more hope in Fantastic four. I'll give
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it a third chance. But the thing I'm most excited
about are the two Avengers movies and the fact that
they are six months apart. Avengers the King Dynasty comes
out on May two, and then you have Avengers Secret
Wars coming out on November seven. No one has really
been confirmed as far as characters. They did announce destined.
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Daniel Creton will be directing this. He directed Shang Chi.
Kind of surprised they're not going with the Russo brothers,
but he did such a great job with Shang Chi.
Maybe they're going for something different here. Maybe they just
want a fresh approach on the Avengers, and it seems
like all the movies that come before this, especially the
fact that Fantastic Four comes out the year before, you
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think they'll be a part of it. Anthony Mackie as
Captain America will probably be a part of it. Can
you imagine Blade as an Avenger. Probably won't get the
Guardians of the Galaxy. If that's going to be their
third and final film, They're probably done after that. Of
course you'll have aunt Man, and then maybe you'll see
some more people from Phase four like Shang Chi, Hawkeye,
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Moon Night could be interesting, or who knows, maybe they
throw she Hulk in there. But I find this all
to be really exciting. I just love the title Avengers
Secret Wars based on the comic book. I don't know
if they're going to draw exactly from that storyline. It
seems like Marvel tends to deviate a little bit from
those stories and give us something that we haven't seen
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done before, kind of always keep us on our toes.
So I'm excited for this. I guess I'm drinking the
kool aid and saying I'm all in for Phase five
and Phase six. I do find some things interesting that
I didn't see. They didn't announce a solo Spider Man movie.
They did announce an animated Spider Man TV show coming
to Disney Plus, but there's no announcement on Tom Holland
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returning in his own solo movie. And usually the Spider
Man movies aren't a part of these big anouncements because
he's still owned by Sony and they have a whole
contract with Disney to allow him to appear in the
m c U. I did see from a pretty reliable
source that Spider Man will be a part of the
Fantastic four movie. They are saying that he has been
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confirmed to be in Fantastic four. So hopefully in between
there we get the next Spider Man movie, which could
be his last movie, or maybe he makes it to
the Avengers. I think if it is, he's had a
pretty good run. I would hate to see that because
those movies have been some of my favorites. And also
I'm just not ready to go through another recasting and
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another reboot of Spider Man, but I'm sure that's inevitable.
The other thing I don't see here is another Thoor
solo movie which we saw Thor Lomon Thunder, and according
to articles, according to that movie, we're supposed to have
a return of Thoor. I don't know if they weren't
ready to announce that yet because that movie just came out,
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or perhaps he is skipping Phase five in Phase six,
but hopefully that announcement comes within the next year or so,
because I would like to see another Thorn movie. And
the other surprising thing is there were no sequels to
some of the characters in Phase four. I don't see
a Shankei sequel. I don't see an Eternal sequel. It
seems like we got sequels pretty quickly in previous phases,
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or maybe that's down the line in Phase seven. It
doesn't seem like the multiverse saga will end after Phase six,
so maybe that will be the next round of announcements.
I'm sure once more details emerge on who will be
cast in the Avengers movies will get a better picture
on that. Will anybody from the m CU return? I
think that would be amazing. Which is the multiverse saga,
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And as we've seen in other movies, you can transcend
not only timelines, but you can transcend different generations, bringing
in characters that you never thought would exist in a
movie together. What's there to say that they don't bring
Robert Downey Jr. Back as Iron Man from a different multiverse,
an entirely different Tony Stark, who isn't the one who
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died at the end of Endgame. They bring back Chris
Evans as Captain America, who is not the one that
decided to hang it up, or maybe even bring back
Mark Ruffalo as the Incredible Hulk, which I almost expected
there to be a new Incredible Hulk movie. I think
it is time for that. But the way that character
breaks down, the movie rights are owned by Universal, and
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Universal is not letting the Incredible Hulk go. What it
boils down to is Disney cannot make any money off
an Incredible Hulk movie. They would have to pay so
much to Universal, So why make a movie if you
can't make any money off of it? Even though I
think now it would be the perfect time to have
a solo Hulk movie. But I think by the time
we get to these Avengers movies, anything can happen. I
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feel like all of these phases are building towards something
really magic will happening. I think that's why they put
these two Avengers movies back to back. We have to
be set up for something huge. And the way that
Infinity War and End Game or film they were filmed
at the same time, it was essentially one big movie
split into two. I think that's what they did here.
Instead of giving us a year in between, they give
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us six months, so, needless to say, an exciting time
to be a Marvel fan. Let's get into it now.
I want to talk about the movie Nope, which was
one of my most anticipated movies of the summer. I
am just instantly drawn to Jordan Peele's work. He also
directed movies like Get Out Us and this is his
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third movie as a director. And I'm going to do
this review a little bit different. I saw the initial
trailer when it first came out. I saw the Super
Bowl trailer, and he was pretty cryptic about the details
he wanted to put out surrounding this movie. They did
release a trailer about a month ago, they gave a
lot more about the plot. But after watching this movie
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and now knowing a whole lot about it, I think
it made me enjoy it more. So what I'm going
to share with you on this review, it will be
spoiler free and it will be more just about how
the movie made me feel and some of the key
elements without really talking a whole lot about the plot details.
I'm going to stay away from even referencing some of
the things that happened in it, because I think if
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you go into it without knowing a whole lot, you
will enjoy it more. But I will also tell you
what kind of a movie fan you have to be,
what your taste has to be to enjoy it. And
if you hear these things and think, oh, that's not
for me, and you probably won't enjoy this movie. Because
I think it's not for everybody. I've been seeing pretty
split views on it. I think you're gonna either love
or hate this movie. So that's what I'm going to
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explain here. So the first thing I loved about this
movie is how it looks. It is visually the most
appealing movie I've seen in a very long time. Cinematically,
I think it's his best shot at the Nimax Cameras,
worked with a really great cinematographer, and I feel this
movie there are so many scenes that happen at night,
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and shooting at night is very difficult, and they were
able to film this movie in a way that made
you feel like you do whenever you go out in
the middle of the night, and like the country not
a whole lot of things around. That's how I felt
watching this movie, whether it be when I would be
in Mexico and I have to go out to the
bathroom at night and be utterly scared because I could
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barely see my hand in front of me. This movie
made it feel like what it is for your eyes
to adjust in total darkness and you can kind of
pick things out, Like That's how I felt watching this movie.
I legit had that feeling while watching this movie, and
that's all just from the visual aspect. So I thought
that was a really interesting thing to bring into a
horror movie like this. Even calling it a horror movie
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feels not completely accurate because I think if I say
horror movie, you're gonna be wanting to be scared the
entire time. I don't think it's like that. It's a
little bit more of a suspense thriller. There are some
scary elements to it, but if you go on expecting
blow ut and guts, you're not going to get that.
The movie does a really great job at building tension.
It's been compared to Jaws a lot, where you don't
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really see the monster a whole lot. It builds on
your letting your mind explore, letting your mind build up,
and using your imagination as a viewer to make things
more scary, and so for that reason, if you're going
in for a lot of jump scares, a lot of crazy,
you know, horrific visuals, I don't think you'll get that,
so you have to really be paying attention during this movie.
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Along those same lines, though, it does have like a
classic horror movie type feel, almost like a Twilight Zone episode,
which Jordan Peele has also been involved in, so I
can see that influence coming over. So I feel like
he not only took his inspiration from that, also from
Spielberg doing Jaws. Maybe it's just because I'm a big
Simpsons fan, but I kind of felt like this was
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a Treehouse of Horror episode coming to life. So it
was all those things for me put together that really
made me enjoy with this movie. And it created a
real world that it felt like one we could live in,
but just a little bit skewed, a little bit weird,
but it really worked in creating this sense of mystery.
Daniel Khaluyah, who is the lead in this, plays a
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very ominous character and he's a really great actor. It
was as we've seen in movies like Judas in The
Black Messiah and Black Panther, and this is his most
subdued role i've really seen him in so far. He
plays a very quiet, keeps to himself type of guy,
and even when this crazy event is happening, he keeps
his cool like pretty much the entire movie, so it
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was interesting to see him play that kind of character.
Kiki Palmer also does a really great job in this
movie playing his sister, and I mean, at the root
of this movie, it's about their relationship as brother and
sister and their relationship with their dad and then kind
of working through some things that they never really were
able to fully flesh out his kids and now they're adults.
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You also have Stephen Yun, who you may remember from
movies like Minori and he was also in The Walking Dead,
plays a really interesting character in this movie. He plays
a former child actor who went through something pretty traumatic
and is now trying to cope with that in an
even more bizarre way. And what I'm not saying a
whole lot about the plot is I almost feel a
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little bit like it's kind of a spoiler. As I
read more and more about it and saw interviews that
Jordan Peele was doing, I learned more about what it
was going to be. But I think that idea of
being completely Surprised really added a lot to me enjoying
it a whole lot more So. This is going to
be a movie that I not only do a spoiler
episode for, but a complete explanation and interpretation of what
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I think all the themes were. Because Jordan Peele's work,
it always has a message he's trying to convey. I
think this is the most ambitious one he's had so far,
and maybe the less appealing to the most wide audience,
because his other movies had more of that horror element,
that blood and guts violence that's a little bit more
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jarring to viewers, and this one is not entirely psychological,
but I would say supernatural. I'll leave it at that.
The other thing that really sucked me in is it
was a very loud, quiet movie. And what I mean
by that is I've been talking about oldest tension that
the movie build. It does that very subtly, but they're
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able to amplify even the smallest sounds like breathing, like
footsteps and make them sound very big and loud, and
it really did a good job at creating that sense
of being scared, also like putting you in that situation
of what these characters were going through. I thought that
was a really nice touch combined with the visuals. So
is this movie for you? If you watch Get Out
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or US and enjoyed those movies, I think you will
enjoy this one because it's very much in the same style.
I think his take on horror. It's a very modern approach,
and it's a movie that you'll watch and you or
have to listen to my spoiler episode or go read
an article about to get all the details of what
exactly everything meant and how it tied together. I enjoyed
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those movies. I like movies to where I watched him
for the first time, I interpreted my way, go back
and see what the director actually was trying to say,
and see other people's theories. I find those movies very enjoyable,
adding that extra element of it becoming a part of
your life. I'm still thinking about this movie after seeing it,
probably still be thinking about it for another week or two,
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and it's a movie that I'm definitely going to want
to watch again. Now. On the other side, I've been
seeing people say that it's not scary at all, that
it wasn't anything like they were expecting. That a lot
of it was random and dumb and not worth the
over two hour runtime. I saw Logan Paul be one
of the biggest outspoken people saying this is one of
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the worst movies he's ever seen. So I think that's
the polar opposites here. You either watched the movie and
have so many questions and think that was dumb? What
did that? Even me wasn't scary and I cared nothing
about it. But if you go on with a pretty
open mind and really pay attention to it, I think
all of the questions that the movie raises, it does
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answer within the film, and I think that's what made
me enjoy it even more is I feel like everything
in this movie, every little piece, had a reason to
be there. All of the character storylines, all of the
elements and the props used in the movie, they all
have a very significant meaning and it's up to us
as viewers to take and interpret those and take it
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for what it is. So I like movies that do that.
I really like Jordan Peel's vision that he wrote, directed,
and produced this movie. I think that is saying a lot.
To be able to watch something and just know the
director's voice and it feels like something very novel, which
is something that I searched for every single time I
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watch a movie, and I think it's because I do
watch so many films. I love to find a movie
that I've never seen done before, and I think that's
what Nope is. So it went for something completely bold,
and for some people that'll land and for some people
that won't. So I'm gonna rate it based on that,
on liking his two previous films and this being a
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movie that's just right up my alley. Sometimes there are
movies that I'm already going into knowing I'm going to love,
So I'll admit I have a bit of a bias
on this. I'm not too proud to admit that as
a movie reviewer, as a film enthusiast, this is a
movie I was already had high hopes for, and just
the aesthetic is something that appeals to me. There are
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things in life that I think we all have that
just because something has an aesthetic, whether it be you
like drinking Starbucks because you like getting the Starbucks cup,
you like drinking out of a hydro flask, you like
driving a forward, whatever you're doing now, sometimes you just
like the aesthetic and you'll defend that because it's your favorite.
That's how I feel about Jordan peele movies. I don't
think I liked it as much as Get Out, but
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I definitely liked it more than us, so I would
give Nope four point five out of five horses. It's
time to head down to movie. Let's talk about it now,
Wakonda Forever, which is coming out on November eleven. This
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will end Phase four of the mc U. I think
this is the most emotional I've been in a movie
trailer in a very long time. This movie looks like
it's going to be amazing on a whole different level
than anything Marvel is doing. I think Black Panther, much
like The Dark Knight was, really transcends what a superhero,
what a comic book movie could be. All those kind
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of guidelines go out the window. And by seeing this trailer,
seeing how much more advanced it looks visually, and how
it really just sets itself apart from any other movie
out right now, whether it be a superhero movie or not.
I think that part alone has me excited. Also the
fact that it will deal with ta Challa's death and
the real life out of Chadwick Boseman, which watching this
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trailer and seeing his mural in it just really hits
you in the fields. The music, and there's so many
elements to this and I'll get into more about the
theory surrounding this movie now that we know a little
bit more about the plot, but here's just a little
bit of the Black Panther Wakonda Forever trailer. Are you Queen?
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I'll leave a Fouler phone this shot. This is the
world I like any dia following. It's calm, Have I
stop given everything? Listen to that. If you watch that
and don't feel anything, maybe you get your heart check.
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And the movie trailer starts with a different version of
No Woman, No Cry, and you see all the people
of Wakonda mourning the death of Chadwick Boseman. It appears
to be some kind of ritual, maybe some kind of
funeral for him. So it's looking like this movie takes
place after the blip, after the events of everything we've
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seen before, and then mourning the death of their leader.
In the trailer, they're wearing white, which is what the
Wakondans where when they're mourning somebody. And what I've seen
so far from the plot and the trailer, they're not
really seeing when he dies, whether it takes place right
after his death, whether somehow they address it at the
beginning of the movie. And I'm hoping it just picks
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up right after his death. I think that will be
the biggest emotional note to start on, and then dealing
with the rebuilding of where to go from there. Also
in this trailer, you see some new characters here. You
see the birth of Naymore, who was a character introduced
in the Marvel comics way back in nineteen nine, even
before Aquaman. But that's kind of what he is. He
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is this mutant son who lives in the ocean. You
see the Atlanta teens, who are the other characters in
this It gives me a lot of Avatar vibes, but
in a good way, mainly because the characters are blue.
He is kind of like this green blue, so he
seems to be some kind of mutant hybrid between both
of them. And it doesn't really seem clear whether or
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not the Atlanteans are the villains or not in this movie.
Marvel is kind of known to trick us sometimes in
their trailers. It makes a little bit more sense that
they will be the opposing force in this. But also
you see in the trailer is some military figures, some
people who seem to go to the Wacondins and hold
some of them hostage to get some things. Maybe it
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seems to be somebody wants some of the vibranium. Maybe
the Atlanteans have some of it of their own, and
that's where they are coming together with the people of Wakondam.
Maybe they are fighting together. I think that would be
a little bit more interesting that it's them learning to
fight together against some of the humans who are acting
up in this trailer. But the biggest question we have
from this trailer is who is going to be the
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next Black panther t Challa is gone. I think the
easy answer is that it is Surey. Other people are
saying Nikia. I think personally it's probably Sherry. There is
some references in this trailer, much like the interactions that
she had with the Challa. I feel like she is
kind of next up in this. But there's also this
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theory that Michael B. Jordan's returns as kill Manger. I
would love to see that. I think that's probably the
biggest stretch, particularly because in this trailer you do get
a glimpse of it there at the very end of
somebody in the Black Panther suit with a hand that
goes out with the claw. But looking at that profile,
it looks a little bit more feminine to me, so
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it brings me back to it being Shrey. But we
also know that Marvel sometimes tricks us with their trailers.
They edit stuff out later. That could be a bit
of a misdirection to If you remember from Black Panther,
when kill Manger died, he asked to be buried in
the ocean. That's where the Atlanteans are. Maybe they found
his body. Maybe they did just like they did in
the first one, and bring them back to life. It's
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been done before. There have been crazier things than a
Marvel movie, and how exciting would that be? Either way,
I couldn't be more excited to see this movie. It
comes out on November eleven, two, not that far away.
This makes and that's it for another episode of the podcast.
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But before I hop out of here, every single week
I give a listener shout out to anybody who sends
me a tweet d M or emails me movie Mike
d at gmail dot com. Today I'm going over to Twitter,
and the shoutout is to Ricky Douglas, who replied to
a video I posted and said congrats. Always look forward
to the pod makes my Monday commute a little easier.
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And the video he is replying to is I put
up a message saying that I was looking at the
numbers or the downloads and streams of this podcast and
it's the highest that's ever been for this last quarter.
So I just wanted to say thank you for listening.
If you've listened to one episode, or if you listen
every single week, if you're a part of the Monday
Morning Movie crew, if you've recommended this podcast to a friend,
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or if you just listen and don't interact at all,
I know you're there too because I see those downloads,
so that really means a lot to me. I think
we've build a really fun interactive movie community here, whether
you reply to some of the topics on Twitter or
Instagram or Facebook. I love getting your perspective on this
as well, seeing what are your favorite movies, what everybody
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else is going to watch. And then I also love
doing the spoiler episodes, and I wasn't sure if people
like those or not, but just by looking at people
who download the main episodes and the spoiler episodes, I
think you enjoy those two, especially with the bigger movies.
So I will keep doing those with all the big titles,
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especially looking forward to doing the one about Nope, because
I'll give that spoiler review and also talk about my
theories and what I think that movie meant and was
trying to say. So just another thank you here. I
hope you have a great rest of your week, and
until next time, go out and watch good movies and
I'll talk to you later. M
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