Rugby Direct - Episode 178

Elliott Smith and Liam Napier react to the All Blacks side named for South Africa at Eden Park on Saturday and offer a prediction on how the match will play out.

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Welcome into Rugby Direct powered by Access Solutions, elevating you
and your business to a higher level. We tease that
we might be back, and we have delivered two days
out from the All Blacks Test match against South Africa.
This big match has been on the horizon for quite
some time. Liam, It's as we record this, just over
forty eight hours away and we have the All Blacks

(00:59):
team for Saturday night's game. Were you surprised by the
twenty three that coach Scot Robertson's named.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
No on the whole?

Speaker 4 (01:08):
There was a bit of oil floating around the traps elsewhere,
but look, this is largely the team we discussed at
the start of the week and what I expected. I
thought they would bring in Ammonia Darraua for sever Reese.
We talked about Fabian Holland being fatigued and to provi
playing his best rugby at Locke for the All Blacks

(01:29):
last year, and the All Blacks have always seen Simon
Parker as a six rather than an eight. It was
more about giving him that exposure last week. And look,
the All Blacks were never going to push the panic button.
Their backs are pressed to the war and they are
really up against it, aren't They were the Eden park

(01:50):
record the Springboks coming to town. But I never really
got the sense from Scott Robertson's public utterances or just
the general All.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Blacks ethos that they were always.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
Back, faith first and foremost back players to respec on
before making mass changes.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
What about you.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
I don't know that it's pushing the panic part it necessarily,
but they've invested a lot into two po I at
blindside flanker this year across the two tests in Dunedin
and Wellington. Didn't play in Hamilton, off the top of
my head, then played the two in Argentina at blindside Flanka.
Now that wouldn't have happened. If Simon Parker was fit
at the start of the year. He would have got

(02:32):
an opportunity in some of that French series. Whether it's
all some whatever, but it feels like for the biggest
Test match of the year. They've now diverted course, and
to an extent it is understandable, but I would have
almost liked them to stay the course. Now you mentioned
Farban Holland, I think he did look a little bit
fatigued him. And this is the young kid started five

(02:52):
Test matches on the trot and played eighteen I think
all bar one, so he has looked fatigued. And I
wonder if Patrick toy but lotso not being fed has
also played a part in some of these selections as well.
But it almost feels like they're rushing Simon Parker in
on the blind side. People might say that differently, but
I think you've invested to per v. I would have
stuck with him on the blind side for this Test match.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
It's a fair concern. Look, Simon Parker's played one Test.
He's absolutely unproven at test level. I think I was
probably a wee bit harsh on him on reflection that
test he got through quite a power of work on
defense in an all black pack that was largely beaten
to the punch. But he's got everything to prove and
I think it was Matt Pears, the super support commentator

(03:36):
at the Press Currence today with Scott Robertson, talked about
the spring box saying or their mantra being there's a
test debut and then there's a debut against the All Blacks,
and that's a very real concept in the physicality the
collisions that Simon Parker and a number of this All
Black team will confront this weekend.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Look for me to Pervi isn't a six.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
I think he lacks the pace and he was probably
exposed a wee bit there against the pumas he brings
and upside. But if you just compare his performances last
year when he really was one of the All Blacks
best from Locke Scorps and also talked about today him
being one of the best scrummaging locks. I just I
do like the balance of the loose forderer and the

(04:24):
second row. But you're right, maybe they have diverted the
plan because why invest so much into provi Oni to
make that change for this game.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
Yeah, it feels like maybe they should have stuck with
it at least this week. Clearly they've seen something in
Simon Parker that from that first test when he got
through a lot of work a lot of tackles. I
think he had the second most meters from the All Blacks.
I mean that wasn't hard on that night, given though
weren't getting a lot of go forward. But big opportunity
for him, I guess you can frame it that way,
and a chance for him to take on that six

(04:57):
year old Wallace. Titi comes back in at number eight.
Artie Saviga has one hundredth on the open side flank.
Big moment for Arti this week, as if this Test
could be any bigger. You know, Artie bring up the
one hundredth Test match, one hundred and second game overall.
He's meant a lot to the All Blacks for nigh
on a decade now and he can still deliver. You know.

(05:17):
His consistency is one of his hallmarks, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Well, it's funny, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
I guess because of the normality, the magnitude of this
occasion and everything else that goes with the Eden Park,
the World Champions coming to town, Ardie's hundredth has very
much flown under the raidar. He spoke to us to
a big media pack today and I think he looked
away bit uncomfortable, doesn't necessarily want the spotlight on him

(05:43):
right now. You know, pre match the focus will certainly
be on getting the victory this weekends. But if you
reflect on Ardie, there's a few things.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
That stand out.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
One is his size in the land of Giants in
the forward pack. He's not big, is he, but he
consistently punches above his weight and has done from a
young age. I think he had to prove himself and
come out of the shadow of Julian and prove himself
from a size perspective. And we see now his leg

(06:17):
drive and he's grown into a real leader, hasn't he?
Through Wine and PACIFICA and he's led the All Blacks
in Scott Robertson's absence. So yeah, massive occasion for him
this weekends, and that historically tends to bring out the
best in him.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
It does, absolutely and he loves an occasion. We look
at the performances he had from one of Pacific out
this year and those big games Blues and North Harbor Stadium.
A lot made of that game and the lead up
basically put the team on his shoulders and got them
the victory. So if he can deliver a performance like
that comes Saturday night, and then the All Blacks will
be well on the way to getting this victory. A

(06:56):
couple of changes to the back line as well, from
the Christie starts at half back. Cortez Rata ruled out
with that ribb injury he suffered in Argentina and Nadawa
on the right wing, your thoughts on both of those,
I guess for phin Lake Christie next man up mentality,
I mean he remarkable to think five six weeks ago,
maybe a bit longer when the squad was named in
Taranaki for the French series, that Phinlay Christie would be

(07:21):
starting against the spring Box. But it's transpired that way,
and I know the comparison was made to Stephen Donald today,
fourth choice player in a big moment, big match, a
chance for him to really deliver and show what he's
capable of doing.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
Yeah. Look, if there's one era of concern for the
orblexis halfback, isn't it you lose?

Speaker 2 (07:42):
I think if you lose.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
Three players in any position, can Roy Gardnahothem, Cortez Artima,
You're going to be in a hole anywhere. Scott Robertson's
trying to build this four four four, Well here we
are she's getting an early taste of it, Finlay, Christie
has never quite delivered for me on the test stage.

(08:06):
He can get a little bit. He doesn't get overawed
by an occasion, but he can get rattled his decision
making a little bit at times. But as Scott Robinson
said today, he's got an established combination to a degree
with Boden Barrett and he's fairly unflappable character. But yeah,
with Christie starting and Coyle Preston on debut on the bench,

(08:28):
that is an area of concern for the All Blacks
and Ammonia Naraua. Look, I'm happy he's getting a chance,
but it's a rare chance and the All Blacks to
this point have lacked faith in them, haven't they.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
I think this is his third test, second start.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
He only started earlier this year in Wellington against the
French after Caleb Clark pulled out late in the week
with an injury. So he's almost been a bit of
a stopgap measure when they've had to go to him
rather than when they've wanted to. So it is a
huge occasion to throw a guy in when there's so
much focus on that aerial assault that will come his

(09:06):
way well.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
A lot of focus on Rico Yuani today as well,
and I thought Scot Robison chose his words relatively carefully
around what he expects and needs from him this weekend. Robertson,
I can't have the clip to play you at the moment,
but he was quite short in terms of that opportunity
and the expectation that is now in Riko Youwanne and
it feels like it is must deliver time for Riko Yuanni.
This is his home ground, his SETI expectations on him

(09:30):
to really deliver it. They decided to chop one of
the wings and sever Reese putting in morning another. He's
regod under the high ball. Riko Euan has clung onto
his jusey, but the message seems to be implied that
it's time to deliver, so.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
It's a stay of execution. It feels that way, doesn't it.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
Because you've got Caleb Clark bloking and you have Les
defying a Nuku, two ready made options. Clark's your best
aerial winger, has performed really well against South Africa. He'll
go away and play for Auckland this weekend and by
all accounts be available for the All Blacks next week
in the rematch in Wellington, so Rico's on notice and

(10:08):
his back to the future switch from center to the
wing has been unconvincing across the board, from chasing kicks
to be involved with ball in hands. He has the
physical attributes, but it just hasn't clicked. And you don't
often see center's wings go to center and then back

(10:30):
to the wing, do you.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
You don't, especially at the All Blacks, the age that
the age out of that profile. I know you've written
about it before, but late in their careers wings tend
to not you know, produce for the All Blacks in
terms of tries and therefore that's their currency. It's like
batsmen and runs in cricket. That's their currency of scoring
tries by and large, and often they exit around that

(10:52):
twenty seven to twenty eight age. Looking at the bench
as well, not too many surprises here. We've got to
mighty Williams coming off the bench again this week, or
a Lomax makes his return off the bench. A couple
of great players to bring on in the last thirty
thirty five minutes of the Test match as well. Fabing
and Holland drops to the bench to see Kadifi Carle

(11:12):
Preston for a day boone, then Quintepia, Damian mckint to
the Backs. Not too many surprises in that all Blacks bench.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
No, the Backs perhaps lack a wee bit of firepower.
I think.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
I'm sure Scott Robinson was tempted to bring Lester fighting
a nooku back in. You would have gone as far
as potentially starting him. You know that the argument you
made was he's available, pick him, and that's very valid.
I think if you weigh a two pire against fighting
a nook who, there is more upside in a lister.
But he only joined the camp on Sunday nights, so

(11:42):
maybe he will come into the mixed next weekend. In
terms of the Fords, it really is meet and fire
will fire to mighty Williams, SAMERSONI Takyaho, who is in
great form apart from his line out milkdown against the Pumas,
which is probably not his fault alone. Entirole Lomax. When
you talk about the box bomb squad, that is a

(12:04):
real beefy front row to bring on, isn't.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
It certainly is. And Kyle Price for a debut after
earning making a super rugby deboot at the start of
the year. Quite a remarkable story. We don't have the
Box team at time of recording. We're standing by for that,
but Liam, give us a prediction, how is this going
to play out Saturday night?

Speaker 4 (12:23):
Well, it's going to be a magic occasion. You know,
we're both very fortunate to be there to witness it.
It'll be a moment that will stand in time one
way or the other. I think there could be could
well be a bit of controversy. Who's the referee again,
Old Dixon?

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Dixon? Which evokes a few nerves.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
Yeah, yeah, what do I say about Car? I would
just keep my powder dry until after the game. But
I think I've made a thoughts clear before on this
podcast about yes, Carl Dixon is an international referee recording.

Speaker 4 (12:54):
I think I think there are a few nerves around
about how that's going to play out. Look, I'm going
to stick with the prediction I've made all week that
the All Blacks are going to rebound and win by
three points. That's not an overly confident one. But I
think this spring Box team, I won't go as far
as say they're not the team they were, but they're
certainly not performing to their potential. They've been in recent

(13:18):
times have been knocked over by the Pumas as the
All Blacks were. They lost at home to the Wallabies
and were exposed when the Wallabies brought fatigue into the
game and used a good short kicking game. So I
think there is a real blueprint there. I think Wayne
Smith coming into camp this week is very timely.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
And so Graham Henry as well popping in on chas right.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Yeah, I don't know what.

Speaker 4 (13:40):
I don't know whether the box, given what played out
in South Africa, are going to have the confidence to
play enough rugby because if they do it's a real risk.
So my gut is that they'll stick largely to their
strengths and I don't know if that'll that'll be enough.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
I think they'll stick to their strengths as well. Like
I started the week with All Blacks by four, I've
gone back to All Blacks by three and now I'm
sitting it All Blacks by two forty eight hours out.
So I said, no, I'm going I'm going to draw
by Saturday I think, which was ninety four at Eden
Park as well. Look, it should be a fantastic test match,
looking forward to it and let's hope it delivers to

(14:19):
the hype that has been built around it, because it
feels like this has been Lions Test three and twenty seventeen,
even World Cup finalist in twenty eleven in terms of
the attention that has been zeroed in on this game.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Let's hope it delivered. Saturday night, Yes, Strappan can't wait Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
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