It was a disappointing loss for the Hurricanes last weekend, killing the team's hope for an appearance in the Super Rugby final, but all eyes are now on the successful finalist Blues and Chiefs sides, squaring off at Eden Park this weekend.
Joining Nick to preview the match was All Sport Breakfast host Adam Cooper and Weekend Sport host Jason Pine.
The pair also talked the Breakers return to Wellington, and Kane Williamson's decision not to take a New Zealand Cricket contract.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Wellington Mornings podcast with Nick Mills
from news Talk said b the Friday Sport kickoff on
Wellington Mornings with R S Lane, Panel and Vain if
your fleet management repairs to them.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Joined us for Friday Sport this weekend. Is Jason Pine.
Good morning, Jay.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Sello, Nick, how you doing good? Very quiet and sharp.
Let's get to the content.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Neck Okay, Sports Breakfast host Adam Cooper, good morning, I'm
good to Coops.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Oh my gosh, it's a bit of a steer.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I'll start why because we're talking about the Hurricanes missing
out on the Super UBI Final?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Is that what's upsetting of you? Coops? Coming? You start
with it, Coops Pine? He looks too grum.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Now I'm not upset at all, but yeah, Coops, please, yeah,
I mean disappointing outcome, isn't it from a season that
boded to see the Hurricanes go right till the end
and at least I think be in the final. And
I think they sent an deserve to be there based
on the season they have, and it almost should have
been in that final based on just the results through
the season and that they were the informed team and
the benchmark team for a lot of that Super Rugby season,
(01:17):
So to not have them in this big decider tomorrow
night against between the Blues and the Chiefs, I think
it's pretty disappointing. But they were just outplayed by I
thought a very brilliant Chief side that clearly identified scoring
early and put the Hurricanes under a bit of pressure
which they never managed to rebound from and there was
no ready coming back from it in the game. But
I think in the wider context Clark Laidlaw's first season
(01:40):
in charge it it has been a success.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
He's built up.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
A lot of young players that are now genuine All
Black contenders now that are likely got to see their
names read out on Monday evening. So I think overall,
disappointing end, but a bit of promise through the season.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
See, I disagree a little bit with Coops because I
don't think they did deserve to be in the final
because they didn't play well enough in the semi final.
They started poorly and didn't play well. And winning championships
on any sport, it's about peaking at the right time.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Yeah, and the Chiefs have shown that, haven't they. You
look at the Chiefs regular season that can you know
five losses across the regular season where the Hurricanes only
had a couple. But as Clayton McMillan said a number
of times, it actually doesn't matter until you get to
the business end. You just have to win three big
games in a row. As I said thing I said
to you last week, I think that can be a
convenient excuse for not playing very well at times during
(02:30):
the regular season. But the fact remains he's now one
win away Clayton McMillan from guiding the Chiefs to a
final and all Hurricanes players fans management of watching with
the rest of New Zealand. I think it'll be an
interesting match tomorrow night. I've got the blueses as favorites.
I think they have a lot of things stacked in
their favor They're at home, extra day off after their
semi final. They comfortably are canned for the Brumbies compared
(02:53):
to the way the Chiefs really had to work to
get that went over the Hurricanes. The Chiefs have lost
some of Sawny talk Yaho, a big player for them,
and the Blues have got their captain Patrick Twey belot
to back after two weeks when everyone thought he was
out for six to eight.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah, I know whether right though, you know playing those
plays and we've all done it. You know you've played
enough football, You've seen enough Coops. You know that you
play guy because he's your star and he's not quite right,
and that can it can be damaging.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
It can be.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
But I don't know.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Patrick typ a lot. He's got a lot of rugby
ahead of him this year and an All Blacks Jersey.
I don't think there's any way that they would risk
him and his All Black aspirations just because they want
to win Super Rugby. But yeah, we'll find out tomorrow
and not.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I guess we will, Coops with who are you going?
I'm going Chiefs, I'm going Cheafs. I think the peaking.
I love the Blues to win and I love if
I don't. It's not Hurricanes, it's Blues. I don't know why,
but I've always loved the Blues, you.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
Know, I mean I often mistaken you for an.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Aukland No no, no, no way back. Come on, Coops. Who
you got? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Blues as well, and great for the game that this
game has sold out at Eden Park, I think, you know,
for the country's biggest city to have an event like
this to get I think, you know, just just back in.
You know, the mode of rugby and the buzz of
rugby I think is perfect. So yeah, blues for me
as well.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Okay, well we'll see guys. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
I just think peaking at the right time, and I
reckon those tickets have been sold by people from the
White kunder guard.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Now I think it's going to be an bells on
the crowd. I think there's going to be a lot
of noise there last week stadium, Could.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
We stop talking about it? Upsets me because it could
have been here after We could have been sitting here
talking about the hysteria of the oh I could have
what if nothing?
Speaker 5 (04:26):
They say, you've got to lose one to win one.
That's happen twenty fifteen, you know, I remember the hurry
the Grand Final one. The next year Clark laid Law said,
I we're going to move on. He said, the most
exciting time for this team is in front of us.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
You see, I'm hearing TJ's off. Now I could be wrong,
but I'm my sources are normally pretty good. Because I'm
on the street. I'm hearing he's not here next year.
I hear he's going to Japan. Now I could be wrong,
and I hope I am wrong, But that's the word
I get. Let's talk about before I get myself into
trouble my two learned friends for saying things I shouldn't say.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
But I you know it's my my scoop. No one
else is. I just I just heard.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Anyway, let's move on, came Williamson, does kline New Zealand's
cricket contract and see, I don't see anything in this.
I know that you both do see something pretty major
out of this, but I don't see. I think he's
just making the right decision. And I think that's you know,
cricket has to move with the times and we have
to get to franchise based sort of teams in New
Zealand as well.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Come on, Piney, tell me what you're thinking.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
I don't have an issue with it either. I don't
have an issue with it. I you know, he's got
to look after his family, his financial future. We know that.
You know, professional sport is a as a career with
a limited earning capacity, And came Williamson himself as said, look,
I still want to play for New Zealand when I'm available,
(05:46):
He's not going to actually miss a heck of a
lot of cricket. There's no international cricket in January and
New Zealand next year, which is actually probably the biggest
story out of all of this. We've got you know,
England coming before Christmas, but after that we've got no
cricket in terms of international cricket here in January February,
so it's a very weird. That's weird structure of the summer.
But yeah, look, I think you know this won't be
(06:07):
the last player. In fact, there'll be many more who
turn down central contracts in order to be able to
play franchise cricket but be available for New Zealand win
and a.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Front white when required.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Adam Cooper, I know that when this happened you were
quite I wouldn't say concerned, but you were definitely reading
as much as you possibly can could into it because
you thought it was quite concerning.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Well, I just think, you know, from a fans perspective
right where we're genuinely going to see less of these
guys in New Zealand playing cricket, whether that's domestically for
Wellington or you know, for the black Caps, and you know,
for example, long term, some of these guys that aren't contracted,
they're not going to bother playing in the series against
it of Bangladesh and those kind of teams here. So
I just think that totally makes sense for the players
(06:47):
and the sport has to go in that direction because
that's where the money is. But from the fans, are
they going to be slightly less engaged with cricket now
because we're going to effectively see I think two tiers
of black Caps teams, you know, the young up and
comers that will play the tours that the senior, more
experienced guys don't don't play. So yeah, reality, but I
just hope that this can be worked out that enables,
(07:09):
you know, superstars to still be playing regularly for this team.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
There's no games in January February. I don't think I've
ever heard of no games January February.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Yeah, I think it's pretty unique.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah, Okay, break has finally broken the drought and I've
come back to Wellington. There was a lot of talk
about them not coming back while I was still involved
in Saints. Well I'm not really involved in Saints, so
they can say that they've they've got rid of me
and they're okay, I'm sure you weren't the stumbling block
neck Well he definitely didn't want to talk to us before,
but he does now. I've been a big game, huge
(07:39):
game Sydney Kings with Vixavier Cooks went to the NBA
after he played in Wellington.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
We all saw him.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Brian Gorgeon is probably one of the greatest coaches in
the world. I mean, I don't say that lightly coaching
for me, I'm pretty damn excited about it.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Great for Wellington, isn't it, As you say, star studded
Sidney Kings that have some some cool Saints and Wellington
connections with zale Aafa as well. And then the Breaker
is that you know, are pretty well followed right across
in His Zealand. And it's really cool because I think
it was six seasons ago I was doing a bit
of research they were last here, but before then it
was about fifteen years since the Breakers had taken a
regular season games to the Wellington So this is massive.
I think it's going to sell out really fast. Agree,
(08:13):
I'll be there. You'll be there, of course, you'll You're
in the Barbie Arby same weekend as the England Test.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
How do they You're in the Barbie Army. Yes it
will be. Oh how good.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Thank you both very much, Joson, have a great weekend
of sport. Adam tomorrow have a great morning with the
all sports breakfasts. Catch you guys next week. Appreciate you
have a great weekend.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
For more from Wellington Mornings with Nick Mills, listen live
to news talks It'd be Wellington from nine am weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Wellington Mornings podcast with Nick Mills
from news Talk said b the Friday Sport kickoff on
Wellington Mornings with R S Lane, Panel and Vain if
your fleet management repairs to them.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Joined us for Friday Sport this weekend. Is Jason Pine.
Good morning, Jay.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Sello, Nick, how you doing good? Very quiet and sharp.
Let's get to the content.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Neck Okay, Sports Breakfast host Adam Cooper, good morning, I'm
good to Coops.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Oh my gosh, it's a bit of a steer.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I'll start why because we're talking about the Hurricanes missing
out on the Super UBI Final?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Is that what's upsetting of you? Coops? Coming? You start
with it, Coops Pine? He looks too grum.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Now I'm not upset at all, but yeah, Coops, please, yeah,
I mean disappointing outcome, isn't it from a season that
boded to see the Hurricanes go right till the end
and at least I think be in the final. And
I think they sent an deserve to be there based
on the season they have, and it almost should have
been in that final based on just the results through
the season and that they were the informed team and
the benchmark team for a lot of that Super Rugby season,
(01:17):
So to not have them in this big decider tomorrow
night against between the Blues and the Chiefs, I think
it's pretty disappointing. But they were just outplayed by I
thought a very brilliant Chief side that clearly identified scoring
early and put the Hurricanes under a bit of pressure
which they never managed to rebound from and there was
no ready coming back from it in the game. But
I think in the wider context Clark Laidlaw's first season
(01:40):
in charge it it has been a success.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
He's built up.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
A lot of young players that are now genuine All
Black contenders now that are likely got to see their
names read out on Monday evening. So I think overall,
disappointing end, but a bit of promise through the season.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
See, I disagree a little bit with Coops because I
don't think they did deserve to be in the final
because they didn't play well enough in the semi final.
They started poorly and didn't play well. And winning championships
on any sport, it's about peaking at the right time.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Yeah, and the Chiefs have shown that, haven't they. You
look at the Chiefs regular season that can you know
five losses across the regular season where the Hurricanes only
had a couple. But as Clayton McMillan said a number
of times, it actually doesn't matter until you get to
the business end. You just have to win three big
games in a row. As I said thing I said
to you last week, I think that can be a
convenient excuse for not playing very well at times during
(02:30):
the regular season. But the fact remains he's now one
win away Clayton McMillan from guiding the Chiefs to a
final and all Hurricanes players fans management of watching with
the rest of New Zealand. I think it'll be an
interesting match tomorrow night. I've got the blueses as favorites.
I think they have a lot of things stacked in
their favor They're at home, extra day off after their
semi final. They comfortably are canned for the Brumbies compared
(02:53):
to the way the Chiefs really had to work to
get that went over the Hurricanes. The Chiefs have lost
some of Sawny talk Yaho, a big player for them,
and the Blues have got their captain Patrick Twey belot
to back after two weeks when everyone thought he was
out for six to eight.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah, I know whether right though, you know playing those
plays and we've all done it. You know you've played
enough football, You've seen enough Coops. You know that you
play guy because he's your star and he's not quite right,
and that can it can be damaging.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
It can be.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
But I don't know.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Patrick typ a lot. He's got a lot of rugby
ahead of him this year and an All Blacks Jersey.
I don't think there's any way that they would risk
him and his All Black aspirations just because they want
to win Super Rugby. But yeah, we'll find out tomorrow
and not.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I guess we will, Coops with who are you going?
I'm going Chiefs, I'm going Cheafs. I think the peaking.
I love the Blues to win and I love if
I don't. It's not Hurricanes, it's Blues. I don't know why,
but I've always loved the Blues, you.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
Know, I mean I often mistaken you for an.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Aukland No no, no, no way back. Come on, Coops. Who
you got? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Blues as well, and great for the game that this
game has sold out at Eden Park, I think, you know,
for the country's biggest city to have an event like
this to get I think, you know, just just back in.
You know, the mode of rugby and the buzz of
rugby I think is perfect. So yeah, blues for me
as well.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Okay, well we'll see guys. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
I just think peaking at the right time, and I
reckon those tickets have been sold by people from the
White kunder guard.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Now I think it's going to be an bells on
the crowd. I think there's going to be a lot
of noise there last week stadium, Could.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
We stop talking about it? Upsets me because it could
have been here after We could have been sitting here
talking about the hysteria of the oh I could have
what if nothing?
Speaker 5 (04:26):
They say, you've got to lose one to win one.
That's happen twenty fifteen, you know, I remember the hurry
the Grand Final one. The next year Clark laid Law said,
I we're going to move on. He said, the most
exciting time for this team is in front of us.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
You see, I'm hearing TJ's off. Now I could be wrong,
but I'm my sources are normally pretty good. Because I'm
on the street. I'm hearing he's not here next year.
I hear he's going to Japan. Now I could be wrong,
and I hope I am wrong, But that's the word
I get. Let's talk about before I get myself into
trouble my two learned friends for saying things I shouldn't say.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
But I you know it's my my scoop. No one
else is. I just I just heard.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Anyway, let's move on, came Williamson, does kline New Zealand's
cricket contract and see, I don't see anything in this.
I know that you both do see something pretty major
out of this, but I don't see. I think he's
just making the right decision. And I think that's you know,
cricket has to move with the times and we have
to get to franchise based sort of teams in New
Zealand as well.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Come on, Piney, tell me what you're thinking.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
I don't have an issue with it either. I don't
have an issue with it. I you know, he's got
to look after his family, his financial future. We know that.
You know, professional sport is a as a career with
a limited earning capacity, And came Williamson himself as said, look,
I still want to play for New Zealand when I'm available,
(05:46):
He's not going to actually miss a heck of a
lot of cricket. There's no international cricket in January and
New Zealand next year, which is actually probably the biggest
story out of all of this. We've got you know,
England coming before Christmas, but after that we've got no
cricket in terms of international cricket here in January February,
so it's a very weird. That's weird structure of the summer.
But yeah, look, I think you know this won't be
(06:07):
the last player. In fact, there'll be many more who
turn down central contracts in order to be able to
play franchise cricket but be available for New Zealand win
and a.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Front white when required.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Adam Cooper, I know that when this happened you were
quite I wouldn't say concerned, but you were definitely reading
as much as you possibly can could into it because
you thought it was quite concerning.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Well, I just think, you know, from a fans perspective
right where we're genuinely going to see less of these
guys in New Zealand playing cricket, whether that's domestically for
Wellington or you know, for the black Caps, and you know,
for example, long term, some of these guys that aren't contracted,
they're not going to bother playing in the series against
it of Bangladesh and those kind of teams here. So
I just think that totally makes sense for the players
(06:47):
and the sport has to go in that direction because
that's where the money is. But from the fans, are
they going to be slightly less engaged with cricket now
because we're going to effectively see I think two tiers
of black Caps teams, you know, the young up and
comers that will play the tours that the senior, more
experienced guys don't don't play. So yeah, reality, but I
just hope that this can be worked out that enables,
(07:09):
you know, superstars to still be playing regularly for this team.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
There's no games in January February. I don't think I've
ever heard of no games January February.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Yeah, I think it's pretty unique.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah, Okay, break has finally broken the drought and I've
come back to Wellington. There was a lot of talk
about them not coming back while I was still involved
in Saints. Well I'm not really involved in Saints, so
they can say that they've they've got rid of me
and they're okay, I'm sure you weren't the stumbling block
neck Well he definitely didn't want to talk to us before,
but he does now. I've been a big game, huge
(07:39):
game Sydney Kings with Vixavier Cooks went to the NBA
after he played in Wellington.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
We all saw him.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Brian Gorgeon is probably one of the greatest coaches in
the world. I mean, I don't say that lightly coaching
for me, I'm pretty damn excited about it.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Great for Wellington, isn't it, As you say, star studded
Sidney Kings that have some some cool Saints and Wellington
connections with zale Aafa as well. And then the Breaker
is that you know, are pretty well followed right across
in His Zealand. And it's really cool because I think
it was six seasons ago I was doing a bit
of research they were last here, but before then it
was about fifteen years since the Breakers had taken a
regular season games to the Wellington So this is massive.
I think it's going to sell out really fast. Agree,
(08:13):
I'll be there. You'll be there, of course, you'll You're
in the Barbie Arby same weekend as the England Test.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
How do they You're in the Barbie Army. Yes it
will be. Oh how good.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Thank you both very much, Joson, have a great weekend
of sport. Adam tomorrow have a great morning with the
all sports breakfasts. Catch you guys next week. Appreciate you
have a great weekend.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
For more from Wellington Mornings with Nick Mills, listen live
to news talks It'd be Wellington from nine am weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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