Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has returned from a week off in Hawaii as Parliament resumes after a three-week recess - the same day US President Joe Biden announced he was dropping out of the US presidential race.
Joining Nick to preview the week in Parliament, and with his reaction to the Biden news was Newstalk ZB political editor Jason Walls.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Wellington Mornings podcast with Nick Mills
from News Talk Said B direct from News Talks Edb's
team at Tolerance the bee Hive Buzz.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Hi joining us this morning for the Beehive Buzz. This
News Talk Said be political edit to Jason Wall's Good
morning Jason, Good morning, Nock.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
How are you great?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Thank you. Let's start with the biggest political story of
the day. We've all been sitting back waiting for a
day after day. It's going to come this weekend, this
next weekend. Now, Joe Biden has stepped down as a
Democratic nominee for prisoner. What's your first reaction to the story,
apart from well, when yew it was going to.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Happen, Well, I'm a turn to be honest, that was
my first reaction. I mean, I didn't expect to wake
up this morning to that news, but I did expect
to wake up at some point in the next couple
of weeks to that news. And it gives the the
presumptive nominee, Kamala Harris a lot of time and build
up until the the Democratic Convention in August to shore
(01:07):
up some of those votes. So I think that you
know it was always going to happen. Joe Biden was
just never going to be on the ballot when it
came to November's election. He just after that debate performance,
just didn't have it in him. People are thinking, if
he's like that, now, what's he going to be like
in three or four years time. So it's no surprise there,
and of course the big question is who's next and
can they beat Donald Trump. You'd have to look at
(01:29):
this and say it's a bit of a boon for
Donald who had who did you know? He beat Joe
Biden at first debate, but not because of his merit,
because of Joe Biden's downfall. Kamala Harris is somebody that's
obviously a little bit more articulate, but hasn't got as
strong of a record as Joe Biden. So there is
positives and negatives. But whether there'll be enough to defeat
(01:50):
Donald Trump, that's another thing.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I'm just going to ask you. Because you were on
tour with the Prime Minister, you would have seen I'm
hoping you would have seen Gavin Newsom. What did he
look like? Did you get a view of him? What
was your vibe like of him?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Well, indeed, we spent some time with him when we're
in San Francisco and we went into the room where
the Prime Minister was meeting with Newsom, and after the
meeting finished that after we were told pretty sternly no
questions from the American press team, we decided to have
a pop anyway and basically just asking him like, do
you still support Joe Biden? And at the time he said,
(02:25):
he's a man, he's on nominee and he's the one
that's going to run in the presidential election, so he
was behind him then. Obviously he's not there now. There
will be some questions over Newsome. He has always been
talked about as one of the somebody who could run
against Donald Trump, whether it's now or if it's not Trump,
it could be somebody else in the future. But he
(02:47):
does seem quite presidentially. He has that big, wide smile,
he's very tall, he speaks like a politician and looks
like a politician. So I wouldn't be surprised at him
one day. But I think at this time around the
Democrats really need to unite behind somebody, and if it's
the president who has essentially endorsed somebody else, I think
it would look really bad for them to go a
(03:07):
different direction. It would make a chaotic scene look a
little bit more chaotic, if that's even possible. So you
think it's going to be Kamala, I think it has
to be. I think it has to be. I think that,
you know, somebody else might come out of the woodwork,
but I don't know that she'll have enough to beat
Donald Trump. But at this stage, I think she's probably
their best shot. I mean, some people have thought about
Michelle Obama, but I think after her being in the
(03:30):
White House's first lady for so long, probably doesn't want
to have another crack. I wo, I would imagine.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
So give us your Jason Wall's fifteen second impression of
Gavin Newsom. I mean, you know I have that. I
call it the fifteen second. I meet someone. In fifteen seconds,
I know whether I like them with I think they've
got something or what did you think? What was your
fifteen second impression?
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Ooh, tall, dark, handsome, presidential, great smile. Maybe a little
bit vapid in terms of things that he's saying, but
in terms of a candidate, I think he's probably got
all the check marks that you need.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Okay, government's launched their military style academy. We saw it
on TV the other night for young offenders. Is this
a win for government with all the bad publicy of
all those stories we've heard before.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Oh, I think that they'll definitely be spinning it that way.
I mean, we have the on the twenty ninth of July,
the ten young people will both begin their time in
the military style Academy pilot and that is the pilot
that's up there in Palmerston North. So they're really really
chalking this up as a win, something that the ACT
Party is campaigned on as has national and they'll point
to the crime statistics and these videos, these never ending
(04:34):
videos of these poor innocent people being beaten up by
thugs and saying that these people deserve to be taken
away from the public and put into a place where
they can be you know, hammered back into the right
state of mind to be able to go back into
the community, but also to be punished and keep other
people safe. And I think that at the end of
the day, that is the thoughts behind this. And of
course they're going to face mounting criticisms over this as
(04:57):
the opposition say that it frankly doesn't work in a
lot of community advocates say the same thing as well,
But I think they're probably going to stick to their
guns on this one, and after the full the pilot program,
if it's a success, I think they'll probably make it
into a success by the way that they portray it.
I think we can expect more of these across the
country as the government's term progresses.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Parliament's back after three weeks of recess. What can we expect,
what are we going to say, what changes? What's the
energy going to be around?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Huge, big energy. I mean they've had a three week
recess block and before that they only had one sitting week,
and before that it was a three week recess block
as well, so it's really been summer holiday for the
members of Parliament. So they'll be back with a bit
of a vengeance. And although obviously at most times the
focus is on the governments, this week, especially Tuesday, it's
going to be on one Daly in Tana. Obviously she
(05:48):
was a Green MP until she was forced to resign
and now she's considering her options, but as we stand
right now she's an independent MP and hasn't said any
other way, so we'll be keeping an eye out for
her on Tuesday if she bothers to turn up. Where
does she sit in the chamber? Is it back in
what we like to call Siberia, which is the the
dark part of the chamber that's only reserved for the
(06:09):
Jamie Lee Ross's and the Guav Sharmas and the Elizabeth
Ketty Ketdy's of the world. Will she edge her name
in that spot or will she sit alongside to party MARTI?
Will she use that as an excuse to say that
she has a mandate to stay because she's working with them,
even though that technically that's not true because you can't
really do that. But we'll be keeping a close eye
on that one and will update you as we see it.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Do you think that she will turn up? I think
she will. I actually think she will. I think she
will front.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I think she will too. I mean, in the interviews
that she's been giving, she's been talking about how she's
the only MP that's been able to blend Tiao Mary
of politics and science together. And I think that's not
the words of somebody that's about to leave. And what's
more is she's been talking to the Clerk of the
House as we learned from Mikey Sherman from one News
about where she would be setting up if she were
to be back. And these two things don't sound like
(06:58):
somebody that is ready to leave Parliament. All eyes are
on the Green Party to see if they hold true
to their mass opposition of the Waker jumping legislation, which
would mean that they were allowed to write to the
Speaker and tell him that since Darley in Tana didn't
come came into Parliament with the Greens but is now
no longer a member, then she should be leaving parliament.
But since they was so opposed to that, they have
(07:19):
a choice to make. Either let her stay and lose
it out on bringing another one of their people in,
or walker jump her and be labeled hypocrites in the
greatest degree for not walking their own talk.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Jason, I've only got a few seconds left, but I
want to know whether she gets her own office, gets
her own staff. Does she get treated like an independent
there so she gets all the trappings of a one
person political party.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Yep, she'll get everything that Jamie Lee Ross did and
sham dead. If they've become an independent, you basically still
a member of parliament. With staff and parliamentary perks. So
expect her to stick around if she gets that sort
of stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
And fly backwards and forwards to open every weekend. I mean,
I wouldn't mind that gig.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
But then we can have you on the wonderful Wellington
Airwaves next.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
I could probably do both jobs of the bottle where
she's going to be doing.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Couldn't I I think you can do anything.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
You know.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I'm a Nick Mills fan, but yeah, I'm.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
A Jason Walls fan. But I don't want to see
her hanging around. At first, I wanted to see her
hanging around, but now I've changed my mind. I'd say
time to go.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Now.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
I don't want to pay her one hundred and forty
eight grand Gosh, no, I don't want to pay her
that sort of money. Jason Wall is always a pleasure
to thank you very much. Jason is news Talk said
be Political Editor.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
For more from Wellington Mornings with Nick Mills, listen live
to news Talks There'd Be Wellington from nine am weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Wellington Mornings podcast with Nick Mills
from News Talk Said B direct from News Talks Edb's
team at Tolerance the bee Hive Buzz.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Hi joining us this morning for the Beehive Buzz. This
News Talk Said be political edit to Jason Wall's Good
morning Jason, Good morning, Nock.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
How are you great?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Thank you. Let's start with the biggest political story of
the day. We've all been sitting back waiting for a
day after day. It's going to come this weekend, this
next weekend. Now, Joe Biden has stepped down as a
Democratic nominee for prisoner. What's your first reaction to the story,
apart from well, when yew it was going to.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Happen, Well, I'm a turn to be honest, that was
my first reaction. I mean, I didn't expect to wake
up this morning to that news, but I did expect
to wake up at some point in the next couple
of weeks to that news. And it gives the the
presumptive nominee, Kamala Harris a lot of time and build
up until the the Democratic Convention in August to shore
(01:07):
up some of those votes. So I think that you
know it was always going to happen. Joe Biden was
just never going to be on the ballot when it
came to November's election. He just after that debate performance,
just didn't have it in him. People are thinking, if
he's like that, now, what's he going to be like
in three or four years time. So it's no surprise there,
and of course the big question is who's next and
can they beat Donald Trump. You'd have to look at
(01:29):
this and say it's a bit of a boon for
Donald who had who did you know? He beat Joe
Biden at first debate, but not because of his merit,
because of Joe Biden's downfall. Kamala Harris is somebody that's
obviously a little bit more articulate, but hasn't got as
strong of a record as Joe Biden. So there is
positives and negatives. But whether there'll be enough to defeat
(01:50):
Donald Trump, that's another thing.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I'm just going to ask you. Because you were on
tour with the Prime Minister, you would have seen I'm
hoping you would have seen Gavin Newsom. What did he
look like? Did you get a view of him? What
was your vibe like of him?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Well, indeed, we spent some time with him when we're
in San Francisco and we went into the room where
the Prime Minister was meeting with Newsom, and after the
meeting finished that after we were told pretty sternly no
questions from the American press team, we decided to have
a pop anyway and basically just asking him like, do
you still support Joe Biden? And at the time he said,
(02:25):
he's a man, he's on nominee and he's the one
that's going to run in the presidential election, so he
was behind him then. Obviously he's not there now. There
will be some questions over Newsome. He has always been
talked about as one of the somebody who could run
against Donald Trump, whether it's now or if it's not Trump,
it could be somebody else in the future. But he
(02:47):
does seem quite presidentially. He has that big, wide smile,
he's very tall, he speaks like a politician and looks
like a politician. So I wouldn't be surprised at him
one day. But I think at this time around the
Democrats really need to unite behind somebody, and if it's
the president who has essentially endorsed somebody else, I think
it would look really bad for them to go a
(03:07):
different direction. It would make a chaotic scene look a
little bit more chaotic, if that's even possible. So you
think it's going to be Kamala, I think it has
to be. I think it has to be. I think that,
you know, somebody else might come out of the woodwork,
but I don't know that she'll have enough to beat
Donald Trump. But at this stage, I think she's probably
their best shot. I mean, some people have thought about
Michelle Obama, but I think after her being in the
(03:30):
White House's first lady for so long, probably doesn't want
to have another crack. I wo, I would imagine.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
So give us your Jason Wall's fifteen second impression of
Gavin Newsom. I mean, you know I have that. I
call it the fifteen second. I meet someone. In fifteen seconds,
I know whether I like them with I think they've
got something or what did you think? What was your
fifteen second impression?
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Ooh, tall, dark, handsome, presidential, great smile. Maybe a little
bit vapid in terms of things that he's saying, but
in terms of a candidate, I think he's probably got
all the check marks that you need.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Okay, government's launched their military style academy. We saw it
on TV the other night for young offenders. Is this
a win for government with all the bad publicy of
all those stories we've heard before.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Oh, I think that they'll definitely be spinning it that way.
I mean, we have the on the twenty ninth of July,
the ten young people will both begin their time in
the military style Academy pilot and that is the pilot
that's up there in Palmerston North. So they're really really
chalking this up as a win, something that the ACT
Party is campaigned on as has national and they'll point
to the crime statistics and these videos, these never ending
(04:34):
videos of these poor innocent people being beaten up by
thugs and saying that these people deserve to be taken
away from the public and put into a place where
they can be you know, hammered back into the right
state of mind to be able to go back into
the community, but also to be punished and keep other
people safe. And I think that at the end of
the day, that is the thoughts behind this. And of
course they're going to face mounting criticisms over this as
(04:57):
the opposition say that it frankly doesn't work in a
lot of community advocates say the same thing as well,
But I think they're probably going to stick to their
guns on this one, and after the full the pilot program,
if it's a success, I think they'll probably make it
into a success by the way that they portray it.
I think we can expect more of these across the
country as the government's term progresses.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Parliament's back after three weeks of recess. What can we expect,
what are we going to say, what changes? What's the
energy going to be around?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Huge, big energy. I mean they've had a three week
recess block and before that they only had one sitting week,
and before that it was a three week recess block
as well, so it's really been summer holiday for the
members of Parliament. So they'll be back with a bit
of a vengeance. And although obviously at most times the
focus is on the governments, this week, especially Tuesday, it's
going to be on one Daly in Tana. Obviously she
(05:48):
was a Green MP until she was forced to resign
and now she's considering her options, but as we stand
right now she's an independent MP and hasn't said any
other way, so we'll be keeping an eye out for
her on Tuesday if she bothers to turn up. Where
does she sit in the chamber? Is it back in
what we like to call Siberia, which is the the
dark part of the chamber that's only reserved for the
(06:09):
Jamie Lee Ross's and the Guav Sharmas and the Elizabeth
Ketty Ketdy's of the world. Will she edge her name
in that spot or will she sit alongside to party MARTI?
Will she use that as an excuse to say that
she has a mandate to stay because she's working with them,
even though that technically that's not true because you can't
really do that. But we'll be keeping a close eye
on that one and will update you as we see it.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Do you think that she will turn up? I think
she will. I actually think she will. I think she
will front.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I think she will too. I mean, in the interviews
that she's been giving, she's been talking about how she's
the only MP that's been able to blend Tiao Mary
of politics and science together. And I think that's not
the words of somebody that's about to leave. And what's
more is she's been talking to the Clerk of the
House as we learned from Mikey Sherman from one News
about where she would be setting up if she were
to be back. And these two things don't sound like
(06:58):
somebody that is ready to leave Parliament. All eyes are
on the Green Party to see if they hold true
to their mass opposition of the Waker jumping legislation, which
would mean that they were allowed to write to the
Speaker and tell him that since Darley in Tana didn't
come came into Parliament with the Greens but is now
no longer a member, then she should be leaving parliament.
But since they was so opposed to that, they have
(07:19):
a choice to make. Either let her stay and lose
it out on bringing another one of their people in,
or walker jump her and be labeled hypocrites in the
greatest degree for not walking their own talk.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Jason, I've only got a few seconds left, but I
want to know whether she gets her own office, gets
her own staff. Does she get treated like an independent
there so she gets all the trappings of a one
person political party.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Yep, she'll get everything that Jamie Lee Ross did and
sham dead. If they've become an independent, you basically still
a member of parliament. With staff and parliamentary perks. So
expect her to stick around if she gets that sort
of stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
And fly backwards and forwards to open every weekend. I mean,
I wouldn't mind that gig.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
But then we can have you on the wonderful Wellington
Airwaves next.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
I could probably do both jobs of the bottle where
she's going to be doing.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Couldn't I I think you can do anything.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
You know.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I'm a Nick Mills fan, but yeah, I'm.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
A Jason Walls fan. But I don't want to see
her hanging around. At first, I wanted to see her
hanging around, but now I've changed my mind. I'd say
time to go.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Now.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
I don't want to pay her one hundred and forty
eight grand Gosh, no, I don't want to pay her
that sort of money. Jason Wall is always a pleasure
to thank you very much. Jason is news Talk said
be Political Editor.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
For more from Wellington Mornings with Nick Mills, listen live
to news Talks There'd Be Wellington from nine am weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
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