September 22, 2024 • 12 mins
Chris White is a saxophonist who's shared the stage with countless stars; Paul McCartney, Eric Clapton and Tom Jones just to name a few.
But it was in 1985 that he joined one of the biggest bands on the planet at the peak of their fame; Dire Straits.
He was part of the band's memorable Live Aid performance and continued to tour with the band afterwards.
Now he's coming to Wellington's St James Theatre as part of the Dire Straits Experience, and joined Nick Mills to talk about his memories of the band, as well as what audiences can expect.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Wellington Mornings podcast with Nick Mills
from News Talk sed B.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Listen to the jounds of Chris White playing Romeo and
Juliet when he's with Diastrates. We've got a very special
guest joining us this morning. Chris White's a legendary performer.
He was a member of Dia Straits from the peak
of the band's fame in nineteen eighty five to nineteen
ninety three.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
His performs with.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
The likes of Paul McCartney, mc jagger, Tom Jones and
Next Month of being Wellington with the Dire Straits experience.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Good morning, Chris, Good morning Nick. How are you this morning?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I'm great? What's the weather like over and you're part
of the world.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
Oh, actually, the last two days have been stunning. It's
been like summer because we've had a bit of a
miserable summer. But yesterday and today bright sunshine, so really nice.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
How often do you pick up the sex and have
a play at home?
Speaker 5 (01:08):
I was playing it today, I was playing it yesterday.
I tried to play every day. That doesn't quite pan out,
but yeah, I tried.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
I tried to play every day. I still really enjoyed doing.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
It fantastic distrates. Let's start by talking about di strates.
You joined the band and that's absolute peak in nineteen
eighty five. How did that come about?
Speaker 5 (01:33):
I'd been working with Mark on some other things that
he was doing some he was producing some albums, an
album for Aztec band called Anztec Camera, an album called
The Knife, and some movies, and well, in the first instance,
it came about because I got home one day. At
that time, I was a kind of session musician.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Working around Undon.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
I got home one day and there was a note
stuck to the phone saying Air Studios, Wednesday morning, ten o'clock, Mark,
not the movie, it would just be one hour. So
I turned at S Studios Wednesday ten o'clock a bit earlier,
actually got the horn out and started warming up, and
I saw Mark go into the control room and he
(02:16):
was in there clearly listening for a bit. And he
came out and said he I'm Mark, and I said, oh, great,
really pleased to meet you. He said you sound a
lot like Michael Brecker for an American saxophonist. I said,
thank you very much. That's really high praise. He's a
real hero of mine. And he said yeah, I've just
been working with him in New York. So anyway, we
(02:39):
got into the We got into the session, which was
really great because the whole band was there. It wasn't
just a sax overdub. And we played this, We played
this one track, listened to it back, and I was
happy with what I did and I thought, Okay, that's cool.
So make said, yeah, that's that's great. So I said,
oh great, I'll go and pack up. He said, oh, actually,
(03:01):
could you try something on the next track? So I said, yeah,
I'd love to. So I tried something on the next track,
and I eventually I left the studio three days later
having played on most of.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
The movie Wow.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
And at the end of that he kind of said,
you have to come and play with the band. So,
although it took a couple of years later for me
to play with the band, but that's kind of how
it started.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
You perform with the band that probably the greatest music
event of all times live aid and it was actually
believable or not your thirtieth birthday, I mean, what a
prison it was.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
It was an unbelievable day.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
It was it was Wembley Stadium was just crawling with
every musician you could ever wish to meet, and everybody
was there. People were in from other compsides. Some people
I've worked with in France were there drifting around. It
was just it was just an amazing day and it
was an honor to be to be part of it.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Actually, what was it like?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
What was the backstage like? What was the event like?
It was over one hundred thousand people there.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Was It was over one hundred thousand people.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
My sixteen year old stepdaughter was somewhere out there in
one hundred thousand people watching it. Backstage was backstage was chaos,
absolute chaos, and as you can imagine, there were bands,
people running on, the crew running on, running off, and
(04:34):
we were standing at the start of the stage waiting
to go on. I was standing next to Sting and
jack Sony waiting to go on, and there were crew
lifting stuff off the stage, pushing stuff on.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
As I was.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
Standing there, somebody bumped into me from behind it. It was
one of the crew pushing a flight case and he
just looked at the event, get out a bloody way
you mate?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Was there?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Did you see?
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Sorry?
Speaker 5 (05:02):
At that very moment, the stage manager said, right, die
straight and go.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
So that was it. We were on stage getting study
way mate and.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Get out of you, you or nothing?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Tell me was there any tantrums? Did you see any
tantrums from famous people in backstage?
Speaker 4 (05:18):
No? I didn't. It was everybody was deveanless.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
Here was fantastic, was electric backstage as well. People were
hanging out, people were chatting, sitting down and you know,
sitting down in corners and all kinds of things going on.
Didn't see any tantrums there at all. I think everybody
was just really pleased to be doing it.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
And another one I wanted to ask you about because
and I think it was nineteen ninety eight, ninety eighty eight,
you performed for Nelson Mandela for a seventieth birthday concert
with Eric Clapton. I mean you've Eric Clapton.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Yeah, he helps great chat wasn't able to do it
and Eric Eric got asked to do it and he
came in and did it, and so it was great
again Wembley Stay. It was great to be on stage
with Eric, and again I was I was very I
was delighted to be able to be to be.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Part of that. He was a great crowd.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Another another stunning atmosphere as well.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
So the good guy Who are the good guys?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I mean you played with Robbie Williams, Paul McCartney, mc jaggett,
Crystal Burg. You played with some huge, big names. Who
are the good guys? Who are the ones you think, man,
that's the he or she's a good person?
Speaker 4 (06:29):
No? Great? No, well, I mean working with Mark.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Was it was really important from the London. Awful lot
from him and he was he was very open to
people contributing things, so which was great. You know, there
was a freedom to you didn't feel frightened to say
what about this.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Working with I did. I did some stuff with Joe Cocker,
who was who was?
Speaker 5 (06:54):
I was a real fan of his when I was
a teenager when trying to a little help from my friends. Yeah,
it was just a stunning version of that Beatles song.
So I was delighted to work with him. It was
great to it. We've bought McCartney, it was I was.
I think that was the only time I was truly
starstruck and didn't quite know what to say.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Tell me who was your heroes growing up?
Speaker 2 (07:18):
I mean you came from a jazz background, so you
you went to the darker side of rock and roll.
But you are a jazz musician. And once you're a jazzman,
once you're a jazz musician, you're always a jazz musician,
don't you.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
I'm not sure I was. I know I grew up
with the Beatles, man.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
I grew up with it was all, and I was
listening to the Beatles. We was kind of I would
smuggle a radio up to my bedroom because some DJ
had promised to play the New Beatles track at midnight,
so you'd kind of hid the thing under your bed
and I hope that you could stay awake to listen to.
It was the Beatles, it was. It was people like
(07:54):
Billy J. Kramer And because his names probably won't mean
anything to.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
You, but they do. They absolutely do.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
I've got I've got to ask you this question, and
you I know what your answer is going to be,
and you've got to say, oh gosh, here we go.
I get two of them, my greatest guitarist and my
list of five all time great guitarists, Eric Clepton and
Mark Nofler.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Tell me, who do you reckon? Is a bitter guitarist?
Speaker 5 (08:21):
See people say people ask questions that kind of question.
People say, who's the best. I don't see it like that.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
I just I see it that.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
It's not a competitive thing. But people people do different things,
and that's the great thing about it is people play differently.
So you can get two guitarists on the stage and
here's completely different, completely different approach to the same song.
And I think that's the joy of it really, you know,
they're different players. Mark Mark has a distinctive style, possibly
(08:56):
you know, a heavier country influenced. Eric comes more from blues,
I would say, but I love listening to both of them.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Tell us about the diet, tell us how the Dia
Straits experience came about and what kind of audiences in Wellington,
New Zealand expect to see.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Right, the Diastraates experience came about, well, it kind of
started in twenty eleven. I was asked to put a
band together to play some Dire Strait stuff for a
charity concert at the Royal Albert Hall in.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
London, and.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
I didn't think it'd be possible actually, but we managed
to find this incredible, incredible guy, Terrance Rage. Mark was
out on the road doing his solo stuff. He wasn't available,
so we managed to find this guy Terrence Rat who
is incredible and without even trying, sounds like Mark and
plays like Mark. So it was going to just be
(09:52):
for one night, for this one charity concept. The concert
sold out, We were very well received, It went down
really well, and then over the next few weeks I
could getting phone calls from people saying, look, you know,
we think we'd like you to do that again.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Could we go and do it here? Could you come in?
Speaker 5 (10:10):
So it started a kind of a slow build and
just just snowboard and here we are now in twenty
twenty four on our Ship in the Dark World tour
and it's it's the only thing I do these days,
get stuff for the band and play the shows.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Who does the vocals and the band.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
Terrence Terrence Ray, She does vocals and guitar. He is
he does what Mark did and does it.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Do you think people will be a priest buyer?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I mean, you know, I've often seen people fill in
for bands, big time bands, and they do a bit
of job than the muso that they're filling in for.
I mean, and I'm not trying to say that he's
going to be better than Mark Novma, but do you
think people the fans will turn up and say, gosh,
that was good.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
Well, that's what's happened up up in this in the sphere.
I mean, that's that's exactly what's happened people. We're not
atribute band in the sense we don't try to play
exactly the same note as was played on a dire
Straits gig in nineteen eighty five or anything. Mark doesn't.
Terrence doesn't wear head bands. I don't wear in my
(11:19):
pink suit anymore. It's not that kind of thing. It's
a celebration of the music of Diastrates, you know. It's
about enjoying those songs and that music, and what's happening
up here in Europe, where we're incredibly busy, is that
people are coming along and saying, yeah, Terrence sounds just
(11:39):
like Mark. He plays a guitar like Mark, but he's
his own man and he brings something to it. And
a big feature of Diastrates when I was in the
band was actually things were to change. They were two
nights were never the same, so there'd always be something different,
which is something we try to keep so that if
(12:01):
an audience feels like it wants they get up and go,
we'll get up and go with it, and we're very
fortunate to have musicians who are amazing and have the
ability to do that.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Chris has been wonderful talking to you. I appreciate you
spending some time with us on Wellington Mornings. You can
catch Chris in the Dire Straits Experience performing at the
Saint James Theater on October the sixteenth.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Tickets from ticket deeck.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Hopefully we'll speak closer to the date when you're coming
into town. It'd be great to chat to you again
when you actually hit Wellington and start performing.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
That would be great. Nick.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Thank you for more from Wellington Mornings with Nick Mills.
Listen live to news Talks It'd Be Wellington from nine
am weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Wellington Mornings podcast with Nick Mills
from News Talk sed B.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Listen to the jounds of Chris White playing Romeo and
Juliet when he's with Diastrates. We've got a very special
guest joining us this morning. Chris White's a legendary performer.
He was a member of Dia Straits from the peak
of the band's fame in nineteen eighty five to nineteen
ninety three.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
His performs with.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
The likes of Paul McCartney, mc jagger, Tom Jones and
Next Month of being Wellington with the Dire Straits experience.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Good morning, Chris, Good morning Nick. How are you this morning?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I'm great? What's the weather like over and you're part
of the world.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
Oh, actually, the last two days have been stunning. It's
been like summer because we've had a bit of a
miserable summer. But yesterday and today bright sunshine, so really nice.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
How often do you pick up the sex and have
a play at home?
Speaker 5 (01:08):
I was playing it today, I was playing it yesterday.
I tried to play every day. That doesn't quite pan out,
but yeah, I tried.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
I tried to play every day. I still really enjoyed doing.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
It fantastic distrates. Let's start by talking about di strates.
You joined the band and that's absolute peak in nineteen
eighty five. How did that come about?
Speaker 5 (01:33):
I'd been working with Mark on some other things that
he was doing some he was producing some albums, an
album for Aztec band called Anztec Camera, an album called
The Knife, and some movies, and well, in the first instance,
it came about because I got home one day. At
that time, I was a kind of session musician.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Working around Undon.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
I got home one day and there was a note
stuck to the phone saying Air Studios, Wednesday morning, ten o'clock, Mark,
not the movie, it would just be one hour. So
I turned at S Studios Wednesday ten o'clock a bit earlier,
actually got the horn out and started warming up, and
I saw Mark go into the control room and he
(02:16):
was in there clearly listening for a bit. And he
came out and said he I'm Mark, and I said, oh, great,
really pleased to meet you. He said you sound a
lot like Michael Brecker for an American saxophonist. I said,
thank you very much. That's really high praise. He's a
real hero of mine. And he said yeah, I've just
been working with him in New York. So anyway, we
(02:39):
got into the We got into the session, which was
really great because the whole band was there. It wasn't
just a sax overdub. And we played this, We played
this one track, listened to it back, and I was
happy with what I did and I thought, Okay, that's cool.
So make said, yeah, that's that's great. So I said,
oh great, I'll go and pack up. He said, oh, actually,
(03:01):
could you try something on the next track? So I said, yeah,
I'd love to. So I tried something on the next track,
and I eventually I left the studio three days later
having played on most of.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
The movie Wow.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
And at the end of that he kind of said,
you have to come and play with the band. So,
although it took a couple of years later for me
to play with the band, but that's kind of how
it started.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
You perform with the band that probably the greatest music
event of all times live aid and it was actually
believable or not your thirtieth birthday, I mean, what a
prison it was.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
It was an unbelievable day.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
It was it was Wembley Stadium was just crawling with
every musician you could ever wish to meet, and everybody
was there. People were in from other compsides. Some people
I've worked with in France were there drifting around. It
was just it was just an amazing day and it
was an honor to be to be part of it.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Actually, what was it like?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
What was the backstage like? What was the event like?
It was over one hundred thousand people there.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Was It was over one hundred thousand people.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
My sixteen year old stepdaughter was somewhere out there in
one hundred thousand people watching it. Backstage was backstage was chaos,
absolute chaos, and as you can imagine, there were bands,
people running on, the crew running on, running off, and
(04:34):
we were standing at the start of the stage waiting
to go on. I was standing next to Sting and
jack Sony waiting to go on, and there were crew
lifting stuff off the stage, pushing stuff on.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
As I was.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
Standing there, somebody bumped into me from behind it. It was
one of the crew pushing a flight case and he
just looked at the event, get out a bloody way
you mate?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Was there?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Did you see?
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Sorry?
Speaker 5 (05:02):
At that very moment, the stage manager said, right, die
straight and go.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
So that was it. We were on stage getting study
way mate and.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Get out of you, you or nothing?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Tell me was there any tantrums? Did you see any
tantrums from famous people in backstage?
Speaker 4 (05:18):
No? I didn't. It was everybody was deveanless.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
Here was fantastic, was electric backstage as well. People were
hanging out, people were chatting, sitting down and you know,
sitting down in corners and all kinds of things going on.
Didn't see any tantrums there at all. I think everybody
was just really pleased to be doing it.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
And another one I wanted to ask you about because
and I think it was nineteen ninety eight, ninety eighty eight,
you performed for Nelson Mandela for a seventieth birthday concert
with Eric Clapton. I mean you've Eric Clapton.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Yeah, he helps great chat wasn't able to do it
and Eric Eric got asked to do it and he
came in and did it, and so it was great
again Wembley Stay. It was great to be on stage
with Eric, and again I was I was very I
was delighted to be able to be to be.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Part of that. He was a great crowd.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Another another stunning atmosphere as well.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
So the good guy Who are the good guys?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I mean you played with Robbie Williams, Paul McCartney, mc jaggett,
Crystal Burg. You played with some huge, big names. Who
are the good guys? Who are the ones you think, man,
that's the he or she's a good person?
Speaker 4 (06:29):
No? Great? No, well, I mean working with Mark.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Was it was really important from the London. Awful lot
from him and he was he was very open to
people contributing things, so which was great. You know, there
was a freedom to you didn't feel frightened to say
what about this.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Working with I did. I did some stuff with Joe Cocker,
who was who was?
Speaker 5 (06:54):
I was a real fan of his when I was
a teenager when trying to a little help from my friends. Yeah,
it was just a stunning version of that Beatles song.
So I was delighted to work with him. It was
great to it. We've bought McCartney, it was I was.
I think that was the only time I was truly
starstruck and didn't quite know what to say.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Tell me who was your heroes growing up?
Speaker 2 (07:18):
I mean you came from a jazz background, so you
you went to the darker side of rock and roll.
But you are a jazz musician. And once you're a jazzman,
once you're a jazz musician, you're always a jazz musician,
don't you.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
I'm not sure I was. I know I grew up
with the Beatles, man.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
I grew up with it was all, and I was
listening to the Beatles. We was kind of I would
smuggle a radio up to my bedroom because some DJ
had promised to play the New Beatles track at midnight,
so you'd kind of hid the thing under your bed
and I hope that you could stay awake to listen to.
It was the Beatles, it was. It was people like
(07:54):
Billy J. Kramer And because his names probably won't mean
anything to.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
You, but they do. They absolutely do.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
I've got I've got to ask you this question, and
you I know what your answer is going to be,
and you've got to say, oh gosh, here we go.
I get two of them, my greatest guitarist and my
list of five all time great guitarists, Eric Clepton and
Mark Nofler.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Tell me, who do you reckon? Is a bitter guitarist?
Speaker 5 (08:21):
See people say people ask questions that kind of question.
People say, who's the best. I don't see it like that.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
I just I see it that.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
It's not a competitive thing. But people people do different things,
and that's the great thing about it is people play differently.
So you can get two guitarists on the stage and
here's completely different, completely different approach to the same song.
And I think that's the joy of it really, you know,
they're different players. Mark Mark has a distinctive style, possibly
(08:56):
you know, a heavier country influenced. Eric comes more from blues,
I would say, but I love listening to both of them.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Tell us about the diet, tell us how the Dia
Straits experience came about and what kind of audiences in Wellington,
New Zealand expect to see.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Right, the Diastraates experience came about, well, it kind of
started in twenty eleven. I was asked to put a
band together to play some Dire Strait stuff for a
charity concert at the Royal Albert Hall in.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
London, and.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
I didn't think it'd be possible actually, but we managed
to find this incredible, incredible guy, Terrance Rage. Mark was
out on the road doing his solo stuff. He wasn't available,
so we managed to find this guy Terrence Rat who
is incredible and without even trying, sounds like Mark and
plays like Mark. So it was going to just be
(09:52):
for one night, for this one charity concept. The concert
sold out, We were very well received, It went down
really well, and then over the next few weeks I
could getting phone calls from people saying, look, you know,
we think we'd like you to do that again.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Could we go and do it here? Could you come in?
Speaker 5 (10:10):
So it started a kind of a slow build and
just just snowboard and here we are now in twenty
twenty four on our Ship in the Dark World tour
and it's it's the only thing I do these days,
get stuff for the band and play the shows.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Who does the vocals and the band.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
Terrence Terrence Ray, She does vocals and guitar. He is
he does what Mark did and does it.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Do you think people will be a priest buyer?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I mean, you know, I've often seen people fill in
for bands, big time bands, and they do a bit
of job than the muso that they're filling in for.
I mean, and I'm not trying to say that he's
going to be better than Mark Novma, but do you
think people the fans will turn up and say, gosh,
that was good.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
Well, that's what's happened up up in this in the sphere.
I mean, that's that's exactly what's happened people. We're not
atribute band in the sense we don't try to play
exactly the same note as was played on a dire
Straits gig in nineteen eighty five or anything. Mark doesn't.
Terrence doesn't wear head bands. I don't wear in my
(11:19):
pink suit anymore. It's not that kind of thing. It's
a celebration of the music of Diastrates, you know. It's
about enjoying those songs and that music, and what's happening
up here in Europe, where we're incredibly busy, is that
people are coming along and saying, yeah, Terrence sounds just
(11:39):
like Mark. He plays a guitar like Mark, but he's
his own man and he brings something to it. And
a big feature of Diastrates when I was in the
band was actually things were to change. They were two
nights were never the same, so there'd always be something different,
which is something we try to keep so that if
(12:01):
an audience feels like it wants they get up and go,
we'll get up and go with it, and we're very
fortunate to have musicians who are amazing and have the
ability to do that.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Chris has been wonderful talking to you. I appreciate you
spending some time with us on Wellington Mornings. You can
catch Chris in the Dire Straits Experience performing at the
Saint James Theater on October the sixteenth.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Tickets from ticket deeck.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Hopefully we'll speak closer to the date when you're coming
into town. It'd be great to chat to you again
when you actually hit Wellington and start performing.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
That would be great. Nick.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Thank you for more from Wellington Mornings with Nick Mills.
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