November 17, 2024 • 9 mins
The Prime Minister has returned from a fleeting trip to Peru for this year's APEC summit where he met with world leaders including a bilateral with Chinese President Xi Jinping. But many attendees were focused on another piece of New Zealand news - what was it?
Also, a large hikoi protesting the Treaty Principles Bill is descending on Parliament tomorrow. How many people are expected on Parliament's lawn?
Newstalk ZB political editor Jason Walls joined Nick Mills for the Beehive Buzz.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Wellington Mornings podcast with Nick Mills
from News Talk, said B direct from News Talks edb's
team at Tolerance the Bee Hive.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Buzz joining us for the bee Hype Buzz this morning
is news Talk, said B Political editor Jason Willis. Jason, firstly,
I'm extremely impressed that you've traveled overnight, through the night
and still doing the show live. That's pretty impressive.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Nick.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
I would walk through fire and glass to be on
your show, so it's an absolute privilege. As always, how
are you feeling, Fie, Honestly, I slept okay on the plane.
It was To be honest, it was a probably the
most manic trip I've ever done in my life because
it was about a twenty six hour journey there and
about a twenty hour journey back, and I was only
on the ground for a day and a half, so
(00:56):
I spent more time traveling than actually covering anything. But
it's fine. I got a good sleep in on the
plane and I had a couple of coffees, so I'm
ready to go today.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Move you up to the front of the plane. You
don't have to add to that.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I don't want to get I don't want to gep
people to think of you any differently, so that outside.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
If you don't want to No, I was.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
I was at the back on the way there. My
little TV screen wasn't actually working, so I had to
kind of sit there for about eleven hours. But it
gave me more time to think about writing stories for
the listeners of news talks there'd be and the readers
of the heralds. So with time well spent.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Okay, tell me what you're made of the apic trip.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I mean, how did Luckson perform? How did he what
was the vibe?
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Like?
Speaker 4 (01:38):
You know it was? It was sort of he was
in his element a little bit. I mean, there's the
difference between Luxon and a few other Prime Minister trips
that I've been on, is Luxon kind of comes in
and out. He has does these really short shop trips
where he really focuses on the big sort of meetings
and doesn't kind of fatle around with some of the
small stuff. I mean, we did get a little bit
of that. He did speak at what was called a
CEO summit, which was a I called buzzword Central because
(02:01):
it was a bunch of people talking about absolutely nothing.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
At all.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
It was just things that really didn't and just throwing
some buzzwords around to make it sound like something interesting,
but it really wasn't. But apart from that, I mean,
Luston met with all twenty one leaders of APEC countries.
He told me that he met with everybody apart from
a representative from Russia, which is probably a good call
in this climate. But he really got He came and
(02:25):
he saw any conquered Apeck essentially in terms of the
meetings that he held.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
You got to see Biden. What do you look like?
Speaker 4 (02:33):
To be honest, I actually didn't get to see him
in the flesh this time. He was just kind of
one of my colleagues actually saw him just kind of
walking along at one stage. But you don't really get
to see them. I mean, he was at the gal
at dinner with the Prime Minister, but as I understand that,
he didn't even stay for the dinner. So he's not
really the focus of this. I mean, if he was,
you know, if it was midway through yeah, it was
(02:55):
midway through his term, it would be a little bit
more exciting. But he's a bit of a lame duck
at the stage. If it was Trump there would be
a completely different vibe to the whole summit, But this
time it was all about Shuji Pen.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
There's a new way describing a lame duck. But I
get it, I get your thoughts. Anything else you want
to add from, I pick anything you gathered out of it,
anything you think we did we got out of it well,
I think that.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
I mean, I think sometimes we as media do have
a little bit of an not obsession, but a tendency
to focus on what it called announceables is something that
was coined by someone in the ninth floor, which is
the worst word I've ever heard, but essentially something that
you can come back and announced to say that we did.
There was something that they did around some sort of
free trade agreement with Iceland or one of those countries
(03:38):
really small beans. I mean, it's probably important for the
people that it impacts, but it was good that New
Zealand was there because we need to be at these
events like APAX. New Zealand on the world stage is
pretty much seen as friendly but not very relative. So
any chance that the Prime Minister has to get himself
in front of the like Shuji Ping or any of
the other APEC leaders is critically important, especially with China,
(04:02):
and that's exactly what Luxon did when he met with
Shujiping over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Okay, even though it was half a world away that
taparty Mary's Hakker was still a buzzert ipick. Tell us
who was talking about it, what your thoughts were? God, damn,
it was amazing.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Well, I mean, it is really circle navigated the globe
at this point. I mean, at one point during the
aforementioned ce OR summit, somebody was watching it on their
phone and showing it to somebody else. Then, just before
Jack Tayne went on air to do a live cross,
somebody came up to him and started talking to him
about the video. So I decided to do a little
bit of on the ground research and in the media center,
I just started asking a few of the reporters there
(04:36):
if they've seen the video. Some said no, but I
spoke to a few that said yes, I've seen this one.
And there was a Colombian journalist that said it was
a quote beautiful sentiment. So I mean that's just a
bit of an example. I mean, but if you look
at how viral this video has gone, it's hundreds and
hundreds of millions of views at this stage, so it's
something that's being talked about around the world. I got
a text from somebody in Japan this morning who said
(04:59):
that they somebody had brought it up with them as well,
So it really is a huge focus around the world
right now. In terms of of what happened in the house,
I mean, it goes one or two ways, you know.
I think overseas a lot of people see it as
a beautiful sentiment and a really good expression of indigenous culture.
But back home, I mean, of course there is a
lot of that with people that agree with Tipati Marti
(05:21):
when it comes to the Treaty's Principles Bill. But there
will be some people that look at what happened in
the House and say, well, hang on a second, this
isn't the behavior that we expect from parliamentarians. I mean,
especially when they came right up in the face of
David Seymour and he said that they acted in a
threatening manner. And you'll remember when Julian Jena crossed the
house and got all up in Matt Doucey's face. She
(05:42):
was sent to the Privileges Committee. So I wouldn't be
surprised to see that this story had another twist insofar
as the act party complaining to the speaker about this one.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Okay, now that hecoys imbodied her. And I think there's
some groups that have patni as well and are going
to make their way into Parliament grounds tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
What's the word? What are you expecting? What's everyone saying?
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Well? I mean Wellington is going to be a different
place tomorrow. Either they'll be streets that is shut. Parliament
is going to be a completely different beast. I mean
that it's not going to be doing tours. For example.
We will be allowed to be on the Parliament at
fore Court, which is the concrete bit right outside as
the protest gets there. And it's going to be huge,
I mean estimates put it. Some people say that it's
(06:23):
going to be in the tens of thousands of people,
which is an enormous crowd, some putting it even higher
than that. And I would expect it to be, if anything,
around about the size of the Foreshore and seabed protests
in the two thousands. And I think that that's sort
of the scale that we can expect when it gets here.
And I think that you know it's going to be
the focus of the news day, and Chris Suckston is
(06:44):
just going to be forced to say what he said before.
But he has incrementally, every time he's been asked about it,
gotten a little bit more forthright in his opposition to
the bill. So I'll be interested to see if he
pushes the boat out a little bit more tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
What do you think of the so called pundits are
saying that could be up to thirty thound?
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, when I was talking
to you about the estimates before, that's kind of what
I was referencing. I didn't see up to thirty thousands
because I don't know how where you get these numbers from.
I mean, you can, the organizers can can estimate, but
it's even your best interest to see what lots of
people you know, So I don't know it could it
could get up to thirty thousand people. I guess we'll
(07:26):
have to ask the police the ones that get the
best crowd estimation size, but it will likely I'm definitely thousands.
I would say that it's probably likely to get around
ten thousands. I think thirty thousand is I think.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I mean, I think you're like I think you're like
based on somebody that's involved in young people in hospitality industry.
I don't think I've ever seen as many requests for
time off to go on the he coy. And I'm
talking about foreigners. I'm talking about you know, white Kiwis,
I'm talking about you know, every single different race of
(08:00):
people that want to go and be part of it.
So I think that you I think if you if
you're saying ten thousand, I person, you think you're downplaying
it because I in my living memory can't remember anything
like it. But we'll find out tomorrow, won't we jas
Always a pleasure, thank you. What are your final thoughts?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Your final thoughts on that?
Speaker 4 (08:18):
I'd just be interested to see what the number gets you.
I mean, you could well be right. It sounds like
you've got a better estimation than me. And I'd probably
have to go back and look at this foresure and
seaboy that HIKOI that came to Parliament in the two thousands,
and that'll probably be a good gauge, So you may
well be right.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, well we'll find out. The good thing is, Jace
is it's been very peaceful. Always a pleasure. Thank you
very much for taking your time. I know you must
be absolutely dead beat, but thank you, appreciate you as always.
Jason Walls is the New Stalks. There'd be Political editor,
and he may exactly be right to It might only
be ten thousand, but I personally are estimating a hell
of a lot bigger than that.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
It is seven minutes to eleven ninety six hours browsing fifty.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Four open home for more from Wellington Mornings with Nick Mills.
Listen live to news talks There'd be Wellington from nine
am weekdays, or follow the podcast on I on Radio.
You're listening to the Wellington Mornings podcast with Nick Mills
from News Talk, said B direct from News Talks edb's
team at Tolerance the Bee Hive.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Buzz joining us for the bee Hype Buzz this morning
is news Talk, said B Political editor Jason Willis. Jason, firstly,
I'm extremely impressed that you've traveled overnight, through the night
and still doing the show live. That's pretty impressive.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Nick.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
I would walk through fire and glass to be on
your show, so it's an absolute privilege. As always, how
are you feeling, Fie, Honestly, I slept okay on the plane.
It was To be honest, it was a probably the
most manic trip I've ever done in my life because
it was about a twenty six hour journey there and
about a twenty hour journey back, and I was only
on the ground for a day and a half, so
(00:56):
I spent more time traveling than actually covering anything. But
it's fine. I got a good sleep in on the
plane and I had a couple of coffees, so I'm
ready to go today.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Move you up to the front of the plane. You
don't have to add to that.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I don't want to get I don't want to gep
people to think of you any differently, so that outside.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
If you don't want to No, I was.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
I was at the back on the way there. My
little TV screen wasn't actually working, so I had to
kind of sit there for about eleven hours. But it
gave me more time to think about writing stories for
the listeners of news talks there'd be and the readers
of the heralds. So with time well spent.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Okay, tell me what you're made of the apic trip.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I mean, how did Luckson perform? How did he what
was the vibe?
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Like?
Speaker 4 (01:38):
You know it was? It was sort of he was
in his element a little bit. I mean, there's the
difference between Luxon and a few other Prime Minister trips
that I've been on, is Luxon kind of comes in
and out. He has does these really short shop trips
where he really focuses on the big sort of meetings
and doesn't kind of fatle around with some of the
small stuff. I mean, we did get a little bit
of that. He did speak at what was called a
CEO summit, which was a I called buzzword Central because
(02:01):
it was a bunch of people talking about absolutely nothing.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
At all.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
It was just things that really didn't and just throwing
some buzzwords around to make it sound like something interesting,
but it really wasn't. But apart from that, I mean,
Luston met with all twenty one leaders of APEC countries.
He told me that he met with everybody apart from
a representative from Russia, which is probably a good call
in this climate. But he really got He came and
(02:25):
he saw any conquered Apeck essentially in terms of the
meetings that he held.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
You got to see Biden. What do you look like?
Speaker 4 (02:33):
To be honest, I actually didn't get to see him
in the flesh this time. He was just kind of
one of my colleagues actually saw him just kind of
walking along at one stage. But you don't really get
to see them. I mean, he was at the gal
at dinner with the Prime Minister, but as I understand that,
he didn't even stay for the dinner. So he's not
really the focus of this. I mean, if he was,
you know, if it was midway through yeah, it was
(02:55):
midway through his term, it would be a little bit
more exciting. But he's a bit of a lame duck
at the stage. If it was Trump there would be
a completely different vibe to the whole summit, But this
time it was all about Shuji Pen.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
There's a new way describing a lame duck. But I
get it, I get your thoughts. Anything else you want
to add from, I pick anything you gathered out of it,
anything you think we did we got out of it well,
I think that.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
I mean, I think sometimes we as media do have
a little bit of an not obsession, but a tendency
to focus on what it called announceables is something that
was coined by someone in the ninth floor, which is
the worst word I've ever heard, but essentially something that
you can come back and announced to say that we did.
There was something that they did around some sort of
free trade agreement with Iceland or one of those countries
(03:38):
really small beans. I mean, it's probably important for the
people that it impacts, but it was good that New
Zealand was there because we need to be at these
events like APAX. New Zealand on the world stage is
pretty much seen as friendly but not very relative. So
any chance that the Prime Minister has to get himself
in front of the like Shuji Ping or any of
the other APEC leaders is critically important, especially with China,
(04:02):
and that's exactly what Luxon did when he met with
Shujiping over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Okay, even though it was half a world away that
taparty Mary's Hakker was still a buzzert ipick. Tell us
who was talking about it, what your thoughts were? God, damn,
it was amazing.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Well, I mean, it is really circle navigated the globe
at this point. I mean, at one point during the
aforementioned ce OR summit, somebody was watching it on their
phone and showing it to somebody else. Then, just before
Jack Tayne went on air to do a live cross,
somebody came up to him and started talking to him
about the video. So I decided to do a little
bit of on the ground research and in the media center,
I just started asking a few of the reporters there
(04:36):
if they've seen the video. Some said no, but I
spoke to a few that said yes, I've seen this one.
And there was a Colombian journalist that said it was
a quote beautiful sentiment. So I mean that's just a
bit of an example. I mean, but if you look
at how viral this video has gone, it's hundreds and
hundreds of millions of views at this stage, so it's
something that's being talked about around the world. I got
a text from somebody in Japan this morning who said
(04:59):
that they somebody had brought it up with them as well,
So it really is a huge focus around the world
right now. In terms of of what happened in the house,
I mean, it goes one or two ways, you know.
I think overseas a lot of people see it as
a beautiful sentiment and a really good expression of indigenous culture.
But back home, I mean, of course there is a
lot of that with people that agree with Tipati Marti
(05:21):
when it comes to the Treaty's Principles Bill. But there
will be some people that look at what happened in
the House and say, well, hang on a second, this
isn't the behavior that we expect from parliamentarians. I mean,
especially when they came right up in the face of
David Seymour and he said that they acted in a
threatening manner. And you'll remember when Julian Jena crossed the
house and got all up in Matt Doucey's face. She
(05:42):
was sent to the Privileges Committee. So I wouldn't be
surprised to see that this story had another twist insofar
as the act party complaining to the speaker about this one.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Okay, now that hecoys imbodied her. And I think there's
some groups that have patni as well and are going
to make their way into Parliament grounds tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
What's the word? What are you expecting? What's everyone saying?
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Well? I mean Wellington is going to be a different
place tomorrow. Either they'll be streets that is shut. Parliament
is going to be a completely different beast. I mean
that it's not going to be doing tours. For example.
We will be allowed to be on the Parliament at
fore Court, which is the concrete bit right outside as
the protest gets there. And it's going to be huge,
I mean estimates put it. Some people say that it's
(06:23):
going to be in the tens of thousands of people,
which is an enormous crowd, some putting it even higher
than that. And I would expect it to be, if anything,
around about the size of the Foreshore and seabed protests
in the two thousands. And I think that that's sort
of the scale that we can expect when it gets here.
And I think that you know it's going to be
the focus of the news day, and Chris Suckston is
(06:44):
just going to be forced to say what he said before.
But he has incrementally, every time he's been asked about it,
gotten a little bit more forthright in his opposition to
the bill. So I'll be interested to see if he
pushes the boat out a little bit more tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
What do you think of the so called pundits are
saying that could be up to thirty thound?
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, when I was talking
to you about the estimates before, that's kind of what
I was referencing. I didn't see up to thirty thousands
because I don't know how where you get these numbers from.
I mean, you can, the organizers can can estimate, but
it's even your best interest to see what lots of
people you know, So I don't know it could it
could get up to thirty thousand people. I guess we'll
(07:26):
have to ask the police the ones that get the
best crowd estimation size, but it will likely I'm definitely thousands.
I would say that it's probably likely to get around
ten thousands. I think thirty thousand is I think.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I mean, I think you're like I think you're like
based on somebody that's involved in young people in hospitality industry.
I don't think I've ever seen as many requests for
time off to go on the he coy. And I'm
talking about foreigners. I'm talking about you know, white Kiwis,
I'm talking about you know, every single different race of
(08:00):
people that want to go and be part of it.
So I think that you I think if you if
you're saying ten thousand, I person, you think you're downplaying
it because I in my living memory can't remember anything
like it. But we'll find out tomorrow, won't we jas
Always a pleasure, thank you. What are your final thoughts?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Your final thoughts on that?
Speaker 4 (08:18):
I'd just be interested to see what the number gets you.
I mean, you could well be right. It sounds like
you've got a better estimation than me. And I'd probably
have to go back and look at this foresure and
seaboy that HIKOI that came to Parliament in the two thousands,
and that'll probably be a good gauge, So you may
well be right.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, well we'll find out. The good thing is, Jace
is it's been very peaceful. Always a pleasure. Thank you
very much for taking your time. I know you must
be absolutely dead beat, but thank you, appreciate you as always.
Jason Walls is the New Stalks. There'd be Political editor,
and he may exactly be right to It might only
be ten thousand, but I personally are estimating a hell
of a lot bigger than that.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
It is seven minutes to eleven ninety six hours browsing fifty.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Four open home for more from Wellington Mornings with Nick Mills.
Listen live to news talks There'd be Wellington from nine
am weekdays, or follow the podcast on I on Radio.
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