March 10, 2025 • 9 mins
One of the world's most sampled artists died last week. Roy Ayers is a name not many will recognise - but you've certainly heard his music. What's his legacy?
Also, the final ever Homegrown festival to be held in the capital takes place this weekend. Whose on the line up?
Wellington Mornings music man James Irwin joined Nick Mills for Music Time.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Wellington Mornings podcast with Nick Mills
from news Talk Said b Higgs, new releases and keeping
tabs on local arnests. It's music time on Wellington Mornings.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
It's all about the music.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Final part of the show on every second Tuesday with
James Irwin. James, Now, you didn't make it out to
Hut Sounds, did you?
Speaker 4 (00:32):
No? I didn't make it out. I had tickets. I
got myself confused, thought it was the Saturday. It was
the Sunday. And I'm a die hard Newtowner, So I
had the Newtown Festival on the same day, and you
can't get in and out of the suburb that day
because eighty thousand people choose to come to the greatest suburbs.
So yeah, I saw bands all day long. And Newtown Festival,
you guys did a terrific job. Great bands, great up
(00:52):
and coming stuff, fantastic and so today it and Hot
Sounds for everything I heard stunning. I only heard one
bad thing about one of the bands. I'm not gonna name. Yeah, yeah,
I thought the same, a little bit tired, but I
heard like the noise works, John Steven's superb that.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Everyone I was spoken Diesel was great. Diesel.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Yeah, I heard Diesel was great, and I was a
bit suspect about Diesel. I didn't know because he had
a couple of big songs, but I didn't know if
he had the arm. Yeah, but he did, and apparently
he really brought it. So Hey, we're so lucky. There's
so many great gigs. We're going to talk about another
great thing that's happening in the city yes this weekend,
and we're going to talk in a couple of weeks
about the big Quba Duopa thing that's coming up. But
(01:32):
I also wanted to acknowledge because it's an artist that
I'm really fond of. Roys died last week. Now a
lot of artists, a lot of people might go, I
don't know. Like one of my mates didn't know who
he was at all, and I was with me and
I had a clue. Oh okay, so I think he's huge.
Everyone loves the Sunshine. We don't play a clip in
a minute, you'll know all know that song. He was
kind of a post bop jazz artist. I love his
(01:55):
album from nineteen sixty seven, Virgo Vibes. It's just a stunner.
I've been listening to it this morning. Actually he was
a vibraphonist. He's stunning.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
What is a vibraphone?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
You know, it's like you see them, mom, it's like
a like a like a yeah, and explained it's got
a little bits of metal. It's like a piano, but
it's you know, it's metal. It's stunning. You can see
Corey Champion around Wellington, who's a stunning musician. He plays
them a lot the best funky groups. One of the
most sampled artists of all time in rap songs is
(02:23):
roy Is and he also is on one of my
most favorite records, which is Guruz Jas mattaz One. Let's
have a listen. Okay, everyone knows this song. I'm sure
you know what's done out and the sun Shark. And
then the next clip you're gonna hear a bit of
Vibraphone's sun Shark. This is about twenty years old, forty
(02:45):
years old, Mary j Bill Shark. That made it really
famous in the nineties.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
So he just says little.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Funky, kind of laid back grouse lover. He was kind
of the king of neo soul. They reckon in the seventies.
Whatever neo soul is what kids the vibraphone. I'm gonna
that's really nice. This kind of stuff, you're gonna really
like some really good stuff. So yeah, hey, well, big
weekend that She had. Lads are returning home for one
(03:17):
last hurrah around the Homegrown stage.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Now.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
I was a little bit frustrated that they're playing their
last Ontington gig, and I reckon Onontington has supported them
so much and they're playing a festival rather than a
side gig or playing their own teas. I reckon they
could fill out TSB by themselves. There's a lot of
old you and no and I think that's true. I
think they'll be back. Johnny two Good has been around
(03:42):
the block. I've been to gigs that were meant to
be their last previously, so it's going to be huge.
I've been a big She Had fan, and I went
through my records last night. I reckon I owned more
She Had albums. I own everything they've ever released on
vinyl on vinyl, I reckon, I've got more of She
Had than pretty much any other bad I.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Tell you that he's coming on the show on Thursday
about eleven, eleven thirty five, so I would be.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Over here fan boying, but I'm going to be in
didn't he But you know, I remember them right back
in the day when Johnny too Good worked at I
think it was Chelsea Music.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
And manas More.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Chelsea was a Chelsea It was huge.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
That was like one of the biggest music because that
franchise around the country. I remember Johnny serving you Carl
the bass player he worked in there, Tom Kippenberger, No,
Tom Larkin, Tom Larkin he used to work in. I
think it was Kingsley Smith music on Dixon Streuter by
my guitar strings from them. So they were really they
were big rock stars, but they were accessible musicians who
(04:36):
were really encouraging of other musicians.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
And you know the thing that we keep forgetting about
shat one thing, well starts with w Winners.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Wellington, Yeah, Wellington, just Wellington Boys, through and through.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I mean Wellington. You know that that represents music and
well yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Yeah, totally totally. I mean I've seen them play in Melbourne.
I've seen them play Big Day Outs ninety four. They
absolutely ripped the Big Day Out apart mid afternoon, probably
the best, one of the best live performances I've ever seen.
I've seen them play in London. I've seen them play
in parties right back when I was seventeen years old
in the early nineties when they were up and coming.
They weren't even up and coming. They were just kind
of a speed metal band in and they probably weren't
(05:12):
even my cup of tea, but just terrific if you
can get along to.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I haven't got a ticket for Homegrown, but I would
love to see you.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
You will see my wife frame me this morning set.
I'm buying a ticket for Homegrown, so you can still
you can still get tickets. Let's have a listen to
some she had, because let's rip the Zebe speakers apart.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
There's the bigger thoughts.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Yes, it's huge off the album that everyone got a
bit upset about when they changed the name to Pacifier.
When this is the album off that that broke in
the States, well tried to break in the States. So
it's a bit harder than what stuff that we've played
(06:04):
on the show before.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
We're really ripping the speakers now she had.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Look they gonna they are gonna deliver the goods at
that concert. That will be superb.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I know, it's strange that they're playing at the same
time as Dave Gobins sons of Zon shape Shifter.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I know, and the upbeats exactly.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Hey, what do you do in that situation? I know
Ethan's been going quite a few concerts, Ethan, have you
got have you got a strategy? When your favorite bands
are on two different stages?
Speaker 1 (06:32):
You just have to run?
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Do you run between stages? Because I talked to a
couple of older guys tonight and they were like, Nah,
you just go. That is number one. I would probably
be a she Had. I'd be disappointed not to see
Shape Shifter. I would just but I would stick it
out and go I'm going to she Had. But I
know a lot of you younger fit of guys, like yourself, Ethan,
will run between stages. And I don't know if you
get the best of both worlds when you do, because
(06:54):
you missed the song that you missy and then you
get half of another song. I don't know, but it's good. Hey,
let's have the homegrowns Friday night as well, and there's
some some great stuff I would go on Friday night.
I didn't realize about that till recently. Let's have a
listen to it. Chaffood from about five thirty six, Perfect
down in the park for after work drinks, then Newtown
(07:19):
and King and Kilbernie's Finest Ken Capasi.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
She played with Food.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
I don't know if he's playing with shaf or just
I think he's playing straight after, but they're a couple
of guys who would do it together. And then stan Walker.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I love he.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Stan Walker's delivering the goats. Whether he's your cup of
tea or not, I know he puts on a killer show.
And then later that night this symphony. Now I haven't
been to a symphony. I don't know if either of
you guys have an Auckland, but I know Adam Cooper
squeezed by Adam.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Adam Cooper goes up to walk.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
I know he's a big fan and it's huge. So
I reckon symphony is going to be a bad.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Friday night with Friday Night will be a cracker.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
I would be heading to that differently. And then we've
got Saturday night. Let's have a listen. This is what
I'd be going to if I was going sat but
a cancha fire just to start warming up my afternoon. Yeah,
I'll be warming up my afternoon up that front row.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Lesion mystic.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Who even knew these guys were playing again?
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I thought they had broken up.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Yeah, well, they'd been broken up for years.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
I thought.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
He would go alamento. P. So this is some throwbacks
to the late of the early two thousands.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
It seems to be a lot of old stuff on them.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Yeah, the bed very popular in America now, all New
Zealand bands. I am giant. I didn't really know them,
but I quite like a couple of these songs, So
i'd probably get along to that. Where would you go
to see Don Well, I've seen him so many times
(08:52):
over the years, i'd probably miss him. It's the same time.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
She has so good.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Yeah, and that's great, Ethan, because you're a young fella.
You're yeah, you're early twenty.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
But he loves the Beatles.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
But I love that Dave's got that crossover and he's
playing all those festivals. Yeah, so I reckon that's really cool.
So you know, home Grounds this weekend. I reckon it's
going to be a banger. You can still get tickets
online because the wife's just loaded up the credit card
this morning and she's going. And it doesn't matter if
you're a bit older or a bit younger, I think
if you drink sensibly and we're drawing sunscreen and go
(09:24):
and have a good time and give a few people
some hugs. Oh, it's going to be rock and roll heaven.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Someone's just texting and so I couldn't think of anything
worse than going to Homegrown. You are nuts, Come on, nuts,
come on, breakout, break out for the night.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Dad's always good to talk to. You appreciate.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
For more from Wellington Mornings with Nick Mills, listen live
to news talks It'd Be Wellington from nine to am weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Wellington Mornings podcast with Nick Mills
from news Talk Said b Higgs, new releases and keeping
tabs on local arnests. It's music time on Wellington Mornings.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
It's all about the music.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Final part of the show on every second Tuesday with
James Irwin. James, Now, you didn't make it out to
Hut Sounds, did you?
Speaker 4 (00:32):
No? I didn't make it out. I had tickets. I
got myself confused, thought it was the Saturday. It was
the Sunday. And I'm a die hard Newtowner, So I
had the Newtown Festival on the same day, and you
can't get in and out of the suburb that day
because eighty thousand people choose to come to the greatest suburbs.
So yeah, I saw bands all day long. And Newtown Festival,
you guys did a terrific job. Great bands, great up
(00:52):
and coming stuff, fantastic and so today it and Hot
Sounds for everything I heard stunning. I only heard one
bad thing about one of the bands. I'm not gonna name. Yeah, yeah,
I thought the same, a little bit tired, but I
heard like the noise works, John Steven's superb that.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Everyone I was spoken Diesel was great. Diesel.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Yeah, I heard Diesel was great, and I was a
bit suspect about Diesel. I didn't know because he had
a couple of big songs, but I didn't know if
he had the arm. Yeah, but he did, and apparently
he really brought it. So Hey, we're so lucky. There's
so many great gigs. We're going to talk about another
great thing that's happening in the city yes this weekend,
and we're going to talk in a couple of weeks
about the big Quba Duopa thing that's coming up. But
(01:32):
I also wanted to acknowledge because it's an artist that
I'm really fond of. Roys died last week. Now a
lot of artists, a lot of people might go, I
don't know. Like one of my mates didn't know who
he was at all, and I was with me and
I had a clue. Oh okay, so I think he's huge.
Everyone loves the Sunshine. We don't play a clip in
a minute, you'll know all know that song. He was
kind of a post bop jazz artist. I love his
(01:55):
album from nineteen sixty seven, Virgo Vibes. It's just a stunner.
I've been listening to it this morning. Actually he was
a vibraphonist. He's stunning.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
What is a vibraphone?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
You know, it's like you see them, mom, it's like
a like a like a yeah, and explained it's got
a little bits of metal. It's like a piano, but
it's you know, it's metal. It's stunning. You can see
Corey Champion around Wellington, who's a stunning musician. He plays
them a lot the best funky groups. One of the
most sampled artists of all time in rap songs is
(02:23):
roy Is and he also is on one of my
most favorite records, which is Guruz Jas mattaz One. Let's
have a listen. Okay, everyone knows this song. I'm sure
you know what's done out and the sun Shark. And
then the next clip you're gonna hear a bit of
Vibraphone's sun Shark. This is about twenty years old, forty
(02:45):
years old, Mary j Bill Shark. That made it really
famous in the nineties.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
So he just says little.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Funky, kind of laid back grouse lover. He was kind
of the king of neo soul. They reckon in the seventies.
Whatever neo soul is what kids the vibraphone. I'm gonna
that's really nice. This kind of stuff, you're gonna really
like some really good stuff. So yeah, hey, well, big
weekend that She had. Lads are returning home for one
(03:17):
last hurrah around the Homegrown stage.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Now.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
I was a little bit frustrated that they're playing their
last Ontington gig, and I reckon Onontington has supported them
so much and they're playing a festival rather than a
side gig or playing their own teas. I reckon they
could fill out TSB by themselves. There's a lot of
old you and no and I think that's true. I
think they'll be back. Johnny two Good has been around
(03:42):
the block. I've been to gigs that were meant to
be their last previously, so it's going to be huge.
I've been a big She Had fan, and I went
through my records last night. I reckon I owned more
She Had albums. I own everything they've ever released on
vinyl on vinyl, I reckon, I've got more of She
Had than pretty much any other bad I.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Tell you that he's coming on the show on Thursday
about eleven, eleven thirty five, so I would be.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Over here fan boying, but I'm going to be in
didn't he But you know, I remember them right back
in the day when Johnny too Good worked at I
think it was Chelsea Music.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
And manas More.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Chelsea was a Chelsea It was huge.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
That was like one of the biggest music because that
franchise around the country. I remember Johnny serving you Carl
the bass player he worked in there, Tom Kippenberger, No,
Tom Larkin, Tom Larkin he used to work in. I
think it was Kingsley Smith music on Dixon Streuter by
my guitar strings from them. So they were really they
were big rock stars, but they were accessible musicians who
(04:36):
were really encouraging of other musicians.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
And you know the thing that we keep forgetting about
shat one thing, well starts with w Winners.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Wellington, Yeah, Wellington, just Wellington Boys, through and through.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I mean Wellington. You know that that represents music and
well yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Yeah, totally totally. I mean I've seen them play in Melbourne.
I've seen them play Big Day Outs ninety four. They
absolutely ripped the Big Day Out apart mid afternoon, probably
the best, one of the best live performances I've ever seen.
I've seen them play in London. I've seen them play
in parties right back when I was seventeen years old
in the early nineties when they were up and coming.
They weren't even up and coming. They were just kind
of a speed metal band in and they probably weren't
(05:12):
even my cup of tea, but just terrific if you
can get along to.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I haven't got a ticket for Homegrown, but I would
love to see you.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
You will see my wife frame me this morning set.
I'm buying a ticket for Homegrown, so you can still
you can still get tickets. Let's have a listen to
some she had, because let's rip the Zebe speakers apart.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
There's the bigger thoughts.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Yes, it's huge off the album that everyone got a
bit upset about when they changed the name to Pacifier.
When this is the album off that that broke in
the States, well tried to break in the States. So
it's a bit harder than what stuff that we've played
(06:04):
on the show before.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
We're really ripping the speakers now she had.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Look they gonna they are gonna deliver the goods at
that concert. That will be superb.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I know, it's strange that they're playing at the same
time as Dave Gobins sons of Zon shape Shifter.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I know, and the upbeats exactly.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Hey, what do you do in that situation? I know
Ethan's been going quite a few concerts, Ethan, have you
got have you got a strategy? When your favorite bands
are on two different stages?
Speaker 1 (06:32):
You just have to run?
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Do you run between stages? Because I talked to a
couple of older guys tonight and they were like, Nah,
you just go. That is number one. I would probably
be a she Had. I'd be disappointed not to see
Shape Shifter. I would just but I would stick it
out and go I'm going to she Had. But I
know a lot of you younger fit of guys, like yourself, Ethan,
will run between stages. And I don't know if you
get the best of both worlds when you do, because
(06:54):
you missed the song that you missy and then you
get half of another song. I don't know, but it's good. Hey,
let's have the homegrowns Friday night as well, and there's
some some great stuff I would go on Friday night.
I didn't realize about that till recently. Let's have a
listen to it. Chaffood from about five thirty six, Perfect
down in the park for after work drinks, then Newtown
(07:19):
and King and Kilbernie's Finest Ken Capasi.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
She played with Food.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
I don't know if he's playing with shaf or just
I think he's playing straight after, but they're a couple
of guys who would do it together. And then stan Walker.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I love he.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Stan Walker's delivering the goats. Whether he's your cup of
tea or not, I know he puts on a killer show.
And then later that night this symphony. Now I haven't
been to a symphony. I don't know if either of
you guys have an Auckland, but I know Adam Cooper
squeezed by Adam.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Adam Cooper goes up to walk.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
I know he's a big fan and it's huge. So
I reckon symphony is going to be a bad.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Friday night with Friday Night will be a cracker.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
I would be heading to that differently. And then we've
got Saturday night. Let's have a listen. This is what
I'd be going to if I was going sat but
a cancha fire just to start warming up my afternoon. Yeah,
I'll be warming up my afternoon up that front row.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Lesion mystic.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Who even knew these guys were playing again?
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I thought they had broken up.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Yeah, well, they'd been broken up for years.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
I thought.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
He would go alamento. P. So this is some throwbacks
to the late of the early two thousands.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
It seems to be a lot of old stuff on them.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Yeah, the bed very popular in America now, all New
Zealand bands. I am giant. I didn't really know them,
but I quite like a couple of these songs, So
i'd probably get along to that. Where would you go
to see Don Well, I've seen him so many times
(08:52):
over the years, i'd probably miss him. It's the same time.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
She has so good.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Yeah, and that's great, Ethan, because you're a young fella.
You're yeah, you're early twenty.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
But he loves the Beatles.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
But I love that Dave's got that crossover and he's
playing all those festivals. Yeah, so I reckon that's really cool.
So you know, home Grounds this weekend. I reckon it's
going to be a banger. You can still get tickets
online because the wife's just loaded up the credit card
this morning and she's going. And it doesn't matter if
you're a bit older or a bit younger, I think
if you drink sensibly and we're drawing sunscreen and go
(09:24):
and have a good time and give a few people
some hugs. Oh, it's going to be rock and roll heaven.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Someone's just texting and so I couldn't think of anything
worse than going to Homegrown. You are nuts, Come on, nuts,
come on, breakout, break out for the night.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Dad's always good to talk to. You appreciate.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
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to news talks It'd Be Wellington from nine to am weekdays,
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