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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Wellington Mornings podcast with Nick Mills
from News Talks B.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
A very special guest. Now before the start of the
twenty twenty five World of Wearable Art at TSB Arena,
The sheher's show is called Rise. Returning again to well
As executive creative director is top Las Vegas showman Brian Burke,
who travels the globe creating some of the world's best
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live experiences. He's the showman. He put together Cindy Looper's
Farewell Tour, worked on Formula one's launch event in London,
and was involved in the Las Vegas Formula one race
as well. But now he is in Wellington and he's
putting together another top woll show. And I was lucky
enough to sit down with Brian Burke, the executive creative
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director showman. What does that mean?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
You're the showman, I'm the showman. I never heard that before.
That's what the I guess. I've been doing that all
my life, so appropriate.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
You are the showman, you are the creative, you're the brain,
You're the inspiration for shows.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yes, but I would say that it's a lot of
brains that make a show.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
You know, of course, but.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yes, there's got to be someone who shays, this is
my baby, I'm putting it together, this is what we're
going to do. You think of that, you think of it,
and that.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
The thing I love is coming up with the idea,
the concept, the big picture thought, and then collaborating with
everybody on what that really could become.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
So I love that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Are you good at that sort of bringing people together
to share your vision or do you get frustrated easily?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
No? I hope, So, I hope. I Yeah, I really
love bringing people together. Putting together the best team is
the best thing any creative could do. And collaborate better collaboration,
better show, better audience experience.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Are you a computer guy or you're a brain guy. Both.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
I'm a lot of brain.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
My brain never shuts off, but I am a guy
and that I'm always at my computer working.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
So or the creative way I'm thinking? Do you draw
it up on your laptop and you plan it on
your laptop, or you put it all together in your
head and then you go to your laptop and side.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Do you want the real secret? It usually comes to me.
Ideas usually come to me when I'm in the shower.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Water one hundred percent. That's the same. That's one hundred percent.
I'm exactly the same.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Are you really?
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Because I'm I don't know what it is, but I go, oh,
that's what it should be, you know?
Speaker 4 (02:35):
So somehow?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
No, when I go for walks, when I'm looking at things,
when i'm outside and I'm just allow myself a real
creative flow and to open up my mind and not
be doing logistics or anything like that, that's when ideas
really flow in.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
And are you a guy? Because I'm a bit like you.
I'm a think I'm a bit creative too. So are
you the guy that says this is how I want
it to look. I don't care how I'm going to
make it look like that, but that's how it's going
to look.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yes, yes, I'm very into what the visual is, the storytelling,
that very much, what the concept is, and that's how
I decide with a team what stays and what goes
on a certain show.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
It's not that it's good or bad.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
It's the context delivers the creative concept. And once you
have that high level creative concept, there's your direction and
everyone can take it and run with you from there.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Why well, why did you want to do well. I
mean I look at your CV and your CV is like,
you know, Formula one, Apple TV launches Cyndy Lupa. I
mean you're you're big.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Oh well. I I love Wow.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
You know why I love Wow because it is incredibly,
incredibly creative. It is about being purely creative and from
that process, I just I just really really felt that
the creativity down here, the people. I just you know,
I've done shows all over the world. I love working
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all over the world. I love entertaining audiences, seeing what
does and being in Las Vegas. People come from all
over the world to come there, you know. So I
always say I'm bringing in a little bit of Las
Vegas to Wellington and Wellington out to the world. And
I just I just love the people. I love the creativity.
I just fell in love with the whole thing. And
I love seeing the audiences come and the designers come
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and people and making something new every year is a
real gift, you know. Creativity is a rare gift these days.
To be able to have to be able to make
something new every year, that's a privilege.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
What was your what was your brief for this? Well?
What what did I tell you that they wanted you
to come up with.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Well, I make my own brief.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
I'm the hardest on myself, and and and they I'll.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Give you a concept. They didn't say we wanted to
be a concept about moon landing, or we didn't like.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
I do the concept, which is the high level concept
we always dream about. How we We always start with
how can we do better? What can we do to
bring the audiences back?
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Every year?
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Every year whow is very different? We have different designs,
different sections.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Sorry to interrupt, and I'm very rulybug getting excited now?
How do you make it different?
Speaker 4 (05:05):
That? That's what we do.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
We start with how can we make it better? Lessons
learned from the show before? Oh we could have done
that better, Oh we could have done that better. But
every year we really work on what can the visuals be,
what can the storytelling be? What is going to move people?
You know, we work a year and a half ahead
on the shows. We're already working on twenty six and
twenty seven as we speak right now.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
So we have a favorite year.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
And I'll interrupted you I'm not big right out of
the extent number.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Do you know what I think this year is going
to be my favorite year of the show is absolutely incredible.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Do you have a look back and say, do you
have a look back and say, oh, gosh, I couldn't
even Big Day one?
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Every No, because I always I it's very hard, right,
I look at a show as being an audience member,
but I always look at this at a show or
any piece of work. It's very hard for me to
watch my own things because I'm so critical of myself.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Do you watch everyone?
Speaker 4 (06:00):
No, I do not.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
I can't.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
I can't or I would lose my mind because I
just get so disappointed that something could have been better.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
It's like I wish I could keep going. We all
wish we could keep going.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
But at some point you have to let it go
and find its own life, you know.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
And then the audience you take off.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Once this is all started and you've done the ovening show,
you go back home.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I do no, well, I go on to other things.
But and also we're full stop working on next year already.
So we're already in full swing of next year. We
have I don't know if you know this, but we've
already gotten a show title for next year. We've got
a concept for next year. We've already been having a
bunch of meetings and really really super exciting things that
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people aren't going to expect coming next year already. So
the team are on full on execution here and I'm
already on to twenty six, which is cool.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
We are talking to Braun, Who's the dream He's the dreamer.
Is it all right to call you a dreamer? Do
you get emotional during the show when you're watching it
with the crowd? Say you do? You walk out the
back and have a little little crawd I do.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
I get really emotional because it's very personal when you
live with something, live with something for so long, and
then when people finally come, you.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Hope that they like it.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
But I always walk around in the lobby afterward and
hear what people are saying, because that's really the best
way you can know how it affected people, whether it
was positive or negative, what they remembered, what they didn't like,
you know, what they'd hoped for, And that's how I
figure out a bit of the planting the seed of
how we're going to be better next year.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
What's your favorite gig that you've ever done? What was
the gig that you know we've talked about it, You've
done Formula One, You've done rock bands, You've done product launches.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
You can answer that.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
It's so hard to answer that because I'm so proud
of so many of them.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
There must be one. It must be one thing that
you think, God, how clever am I?
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Well, I never think how clever am I?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
But I will say the Formula one seventy fifth anniversary
show with one day of rehearsal at the two was
an achievement. I'm probably most proud of for the team
that pulled that off, working for a year, but then
with one day really rehearsal on camera and the O two, that.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Was an accomplishment. I will say that.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Tell me dealing with egos, I mean, this is creative
arts at its finest, So egos at its finest, I mean,
how do you deal with it?
Speaker 4 (08:20):
I don't. I don't really do well with egos. I
just I don't.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
I have had to deal with a lot of them.
I don't really also deal well with negative environments, and
so I can. I tend to kind of retract in
that way because I don't think you get creativity out
of that. And I've worked with a lot of people
over the years who were the best at what they did,
but they treated people horribly and I absolutely refused to
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do that or you know, work with people much anymore
that kind of do that.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
So are you a tantrum throw No, not at all.
You must, but you creative few?
Speaker 4 (08:58):
No? No, really is that what you think? You think?
Speaker 1 (09:00):
No?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I think creative people because that's so that's so damp.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Okay, do you want to know doing?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
You know, come on, things aren't going well and you
know that they're just one inch from doing it the
right way that you want it to be done.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
So my good friend Cindy Lauper and her manager Lisa
barberis uh, the one thing that I didn't realize I
was doing. But when when you say, you know, bleep
hit the fan, you know, I always or somebody does something.
They picked this out of me. They said, you just
simply say no thank you, and then they all got
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it tattooed on their arms.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Yeah. I just said no thank you? And I was like, really,
is that what I say?
Speaker 3 (09:42):
And they're like, yeah, if somebody says something that you
don't like or maybe you don't want to do, you
don't like have an outburst, you just.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Say no thank you? Did you know Cindy was here
last year, did you know? Yes, yes, And I was
back stage. I was bextted. My brother in law was
singing before her, and when she left she said, bye,
I'll never forget.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Oh yeah of course.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah she's tiny, yeah she yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
She's tiny, But man, she is an incredible artist.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I wouldn't want to get on the wrong slode. Who
putting a show Togain.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
We put a show together from scratch that we are
very proud of, you know. So I'm really excited that's
going to be on CBS in a couple of weeks,
and I'm proud she's going into the Rock and Roll
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Thank you, Thank you for having a chat to us,
and thank you for coming to Wellington, and thank you
for what you do. How many of you, how many
of you done?
Speaker 4 (10:30):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
This is my fourth show, plus I did the exhibition
at Tapapa during COVID remotely, so I'll count this as
five now. But thank you for being invested and interested
in creativity and process and all of that, because it's
really uh, it's a conversation I could go on about forever,
you know.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Sit here to a whole podcast, A adul for you.
But do you like Wellington? You don't have to site
you don't you love?
Speaker 3 (10:54):
I love Wellington. I love Wellington. In fact, I had
my first day off in Wellington the five. You know,
I have my favorite spots in Wellington and I'm still exploring,
so I love. I have my local spots where I
get my haircut and I go for supper and I
got my friends around and we just went to Poppies
in martin Borough on our one day off.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Right martin Borough.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Yeah, it was gorgeous, so everybody recommended to go there.
But yeah, I've got my staples. I stay at the QT,
and I love Charlie Nobles and Shed five and all
the local spots. Oh the rich places, no no, And
I love the places on Cuba Street and I just
love Yeah. I love going into the shops and the
people and just everybody. It's like a real family here
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and I feel real home. And if you'd let me
become a citizen, I'd probably come and move here.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
So I'm just going to put that out.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
We could definitely stole dead out. We could Q two
you to write how you deal with Oh it's fantastic?
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Yeah, I love it. And if you're ever in Las Vegas.
You have to let me know so I can spoil
you and take you around. We're doing a lot of
stuff on the Sphere this year, so yeah, we could
talk about that.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
For reality.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yes, we're doing a lot of things with the Sphere
and new shows that are coming there too. So if
you're ever there, you'll have to let me know and
if you come in and I'll take you to the seat. Response.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
It's a delight to meet you and talk to you.
I think it's amazing that we're blessed, absolutely blessed to
have somebody of your talent, your reputation and your personality
putting well together for us in New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
It's an honor for me and I'm really humbled to
be a part of that. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Incredible Well starts tonight at tesB Arena with the preview show.
It is such a great event for our city. Go
out and support it. If you haven't got a ticket,
there is still very few tickets available. Find out all
the information on worldof Wearableart dot com. Brian Burke, what
a sensational young man and what an opportunity to meet
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him and talk to him.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
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