October 2, 2025 • 21 mins
Nick Mills wraps the week with former Wellington Mayor, Dame Kerry Prendergast and legendary broadcaster and journalist, Mark Sainsbury.
They dived right into the mayoral desk saga, Dame Kerry gave her thoughts on her desk being leaked to the public. Dame Kerry and Mark also discussed the earthquake building rule changes, Christopher Luxon's leadership analysis, WOW wrap up, the Wellington Mayoral race and give their hot or nots of the week.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Wellington Mornings podcast with Nick Mills
from news Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Said be my favorite part of the show, my favorite
to guest on the show, amongst others. But you know
two of my two of my favorite guests on the show,
Mark Sainsbury legendary broadcast. I don't know why they put
that in front of you.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
He wouldn't come.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
He believes in his own publicy. That's that Mark Morning, Welcome,
Morning Morning, and former mayor Dame Carey printed gas good morning, Dame,
Good morning, Dame.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
I don't need to say that. I don't understand that.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Oh my gosh, you know what I need. I need
a song played right now. You're not the song I
need played right now. My baby wrote me a letter.
My baby wrote me a letter.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
They don't take up singing?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Who with my looks? If I could sing, I'd be
a very rich man. I tell myself that, Carrie, come on,
tell me what the story I mean? Just for our listeners. Sorry,
very very very arrogant to me. More than a decade's
worth of confidential council documents were found in an old
mayoral desk desk that was taken to be recycled nicely,
(01:21):
well done, clever with all the documents still inside it.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
It is hard to believe, isn't it. So yes, it
was my desk, and before me, I've been desks for
mayors forever. It had a big cupbet on the side
with a lock and we all kept the key and
anything that was highly sensitive, like ren reviews for chief executives,
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what they earned, all those sorts of things, plus errant counselors,
so code of conduct complaints, all those sorts of things.
You didn't file them anywhere. This was the leadership role
you had as mayor, so you kept them in your office.
And people have been saying to me, so how come
they weren't destroyed every seven years because some of these
counselors were still on counsel when I So we're looking
(02:07):
at a period when Fran was mayor or Dame Fran sorry,
and then Mark and myself after the end of my
mayoralty in the beginning of this or the twenty thirteen
it was two years later. They decided to move from
the town hall because of its earthquake risk status up
onto the terrace and the furniture didn't fit, so it
(02:29):
was put into storage. So why didn't someone unlock the cupboard?
Zero point one. Two It's sat in storage all that
time and no one noticed that it was heavier than
it should have been. Three When they decided to go
to dunbar and say can you sell this for us
on I said, no, it's not worth anything. Let's take
it to the top. And I understand that the gentleman
who bought it saw bits of paper sticking out, so
(02:52):
other people must have noticed that too. It's like a joke,
a chapter of errors.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I get you, I've got to get it.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
They not ever go at the media. So do you
come back to me, what.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Do you mean you want to ever go at the media?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Well, because I to stand, well, there's a couple of things.
The gentleman who bought it, most of us, let's say
ninety nine point nine percent of us would have got
those papers unless we're in the media, and we would
have delivered to them council and say I don't think
I should have these. So there is a small percentage
that wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
I don't think it's one percent. I don't think it's.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
One point one.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I think it's more than.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Point right, Well, the media and point I then understand
that they have been returned after a very nicely and
carefully worded letter to Zidney. They have been returned.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Can we just have a little bit of a speed them?
But hold on, go back, way way back. First phone
call he made to be completely upfront to the gentleman
because you're you're casting dispersements on him. His first phone
call was to who.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Actually, that's not quite right, Nick, City count I have
had the transcript read to me. So he ran the
council because he has had a long term complaint worrying
about something to cycle lane. So he went round to
say I haven't had any response to my querer about
cycle lane. So that went back and forwards, and then
he said on by the way I've come and to
the receipt of some confidential papers, and then he went
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back to talk about cycle lanes. So the poor course,
enter man or lady, you can't really say that it
was raised as the major point of the front back.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
To you, so you can have your little dig at
the media. Can't get it in anyway.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
But I just keep thinking that when they moved that desk,
when I was shifting it around, was shifted out of
the town hall.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Shifting around given my papers like that.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
It was.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
You would hear it, you know, sluicing around in those tubuls.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
You think it is Wat's in there? I know because
it might have been some dollars in there.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
No, we didn't have any money. We speeded on ratepayer things.
It was a set like like you get from a
patient when you leave hospital. You get a big white
bag patient. It was that big and it was chocolate block. Well,
you're absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
There was centence sacked for the news media. Wasn't it
crack at us? I saw one of them. I saw
one of the letters and the whole thing I saw,
I was leading it and go, holy hell, and at
somebody I know, reason, Well, so you can imagine who
it was, Yes I can, and I'm reading it and go,
that poor bugger that's been sitting around for that's the
(05:29):
still alive.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
A lot of the people that we that I'm aware
of that papers relate to are still alive. And they
were privacy concerns and it's very nice that ed me
and the Herald to return them to council. I was
disappointed to hear that they were copied, so that means
that they can continue to use them when they feel
like it, excepting.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
A story, seemed to be more pointing towards you in
aptitude of the council as opposed to whatever these people
had done. It was the fact that how the hell
did this sort of happen, whether someone was born on
their computer twenty years ago.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
There was more than that. Let's just say that, have
you got anything.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
To hide yourself? Are you a little bit concerned? You
very upset about it? When I first saw your TV
you were very up.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I don't think there's anything bad about me and confident.
It's a bit of a joke. The whole of New
Zealand must be laughing at the ineptitude of the office
that arranged to empty to have it.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Do they not have a safe? Do they not have
a safe side of a debt?
Speaker 3 (06:30):
It was on the side of my desk. It was
the safe effectively, it.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Was a very ugly desk by the way, well I.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Think it was removed. Look, we would we were thinking
about rape as money all the time. Why would we
waste money on a very heavy oak desk when we
could be quite heavy with a remove one.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
With files in it that they're to hurt people from.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
It made it quite heavy.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
You didn't even have a cheer, did you.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
You were so concerned about so if you've got anything
to be concerned about, But if I promised, if someone
photocopied it, like you said, you're accusing them.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
I'm aware of other Code of Conduct complaints that will
be in the air, and there are people potentially still alive.
So that concerns me from a privacy point of view.
And I'm trusting.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Were you a nasty to someone, they had to crack
at you, I'm.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Trusting on the integrity of the media. Should I be worried, well,
I think you nervous.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
What I'm saying is that we've asked you for about
six weeks to come on the show and you've said no.
Suddenly you said yes because we've holding a whole lot
of papers.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Because I was walking between Portugal, and that could be
the reason.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
That there's something there, o Bart, you can tell you.
I mean, we haven't got that, we haven't got the
advantage of cameras in the studio, but I can tell
you as can I can I call you a friend?
I think I would call you a friend.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
What you're about to say.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I would say as a friend, you're very nervous.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
I'm come on, I tell you I would jump in.
I'd say one thing for Kerrie, I mean and terms
for a reputation. I don't believe she worried about anything
from this. But as you say, it's quite an interesting thing,
isn't it. Because if the media gets hold of the stuff,
it's all private and confidential. How much of an obligation
(08:18):
should they have to entertaining that privacy or just the
fact that we've got this juicy story.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Well, as you know, they contacted John Morrison, so he
was counselor he was interviewed and it was front page
of the down Post. So they do have that ability
to go and talk to the people that are still
alive and raise a she's.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
With he and of course in his case we may
point out, I mean he had a perfectly grade he
wasn't there when this breach occurred.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
No, well we'll let's leave job's a he is a
very good bloke, so and I would trust him implicitly,
like I trust you implicitly. But I will go and
have a little sneaky view at the files over the weekend,
just in cases something our listeners need to know.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
They've kept the files and they've scanned them and they've
still got.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Them got lost and the council needed another copy.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I am mostly going to be destroyed.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah, can I can? I tell you that I have
not seen any photocoppy files. And I work completely opposite
Ethan Minera, who broke the story.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
This has made his career, hasn't it. He's just on
on radio and Michael Mora and TV every day.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
He's a very good young man, so it would only
help his career. I tell you what would help his career, Mark,
if he's got a story about Dave Carey Prendigast, right,
that would make this. You know, they all all previous.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
I can tell you Ethan that has been fast because
I had two missed pocket calls last week.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Thank you take a break at Dame Carey Prendigast and
Mark Sainsbury, bark will get to you. So as I
just sitting back listen Friday face off with Dame Carey Prindergast,
I'm not going to say Dame Carey print of gas
and I said it enough. Everyone knows she's a Dame
Carey Prendergast and Mark Sainsbury. Sir Mark Sainsbury, Well, it's
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finishing this weekend. The show's called Rise Believe it or not, Carrie,
it's the twentieth anniversary of well the year now, I
know you'd know that because you know everything. Did you
know that mark twentieth year of anniversary? Apparently incredible show,
so well put together. How do we keep it here, Carrie?
How do we make sure that?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
The reason I know is because I was the man
when we got it to Wellington. Yeah, I was told
you that I poached it. I didn't and we don't
have time to tell you the true story. Sixty thousand
tickets sold. If you walk up and down Lampton Key
at the moment, there are huge numbers of women.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Shopping Mecca, the Mecca shop.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yeah, I used to go to. I used to be
on the border Kirk's and this four weeks did more
for retail than the six weeks before Christmas for Kirks.
So hospitality is happy, retails happy, sixty thousand happy campers
and thirty million economic benefit for Wellington. It's amazing up.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
On a planet, coming down to coming down to Wellington
and it is just you know, you're drowning an estrogen.
It is just there was just full of women groups
themselves and they're so excited and so pumped and they're
looking forward to it. And Wellington's this hot city.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
It is fantastic.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
And I take my head off to carry because she
did secure that for Wellington and and it's what a
huge This is what we need.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
There's a few tickets left, so you haven't seen it.
There's a few odd you know what.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I've been telling people, and I've been really pumping its
tires because I love it. It's Vegas comes to town
for a couple of weeks. That's what it is, isn't it.
It's like we've all seen Vegas shows. It's Vegas comes
to town at its finest level.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
So I don't think there's anything else like this in Australasia.
There might be in Vegas, but not not in the
Southern hemisphere.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Okay, okay, let's get what is it the monkey in
the room or whatever it is in the room. Let's
start talking about Let's let's concentrate on Wellington firstly, and
then we'll move out and talk about some of the
other cities around us this time next week. Kerry's just
corrected me, Mark, hasn't she? Very carefully? In the add
(12:14):
we will have a new mayor elect, so it won't
be a mayor because it takes about a month before
you become the mayor. What's gonna happen? Mark? Has things changed?
Has Carl done enough?
Speaker 4 (12:26):
I reckon no, I think that. I still think. I
think little. But you're hearing all sorts of different things.
I did one of the maral debates to the Newdown
Community Association, you know, and thank god that Penny Wise,
the Rewilding clown, and the mad Hatter guy were there,
because otherwise it get pretty pretty, pretty pretty dull. That
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my pick would be be the thing I've enjoyed the most,
well and enjoyed the most, the funniest thing of sea.
It has been all the defacing of the billboards, which is
always poor old Ray Chung, you know. I mean, he
will regret that email waiting for the rest of his life.
There's people who been going around writing soft, pengelous breasts
under his name and then drawing breasts onto his white shirt.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
And are we allowed to say that on on air?
Speaker 4 (13:12):
White white shirt?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Very racist? It is.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Look, it's it's interesting. I mean I found one of
the Alex Baker Baker I felt he was quite an
impressive quite an impressive kendidate. But it's sort of I.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Found him watching it, watching his Instagram as mad as
one of the mad hatters. I mean, he comes up
with some stuff all the time.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Well in the debate because and we had we had
Donald McDonald as well, who care would be very familiar
with who? And isn't it the thing that gets me
with these campaigns and gets something you think is absolutely
you know, absolutely off the planet, and yet they were
all every once in a while they come up with
something really really salient and that that was that was
what it was.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Like in the debate. So Mike pier Be Little, that's
what I mean. But that's like going to the Trent
and racist and picking the hottest of hot favorites at
a dollar five.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
The hottest of hot favorites is going to win, you
might as well still back it, Okay, Kerrie prenda Garde.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
So I'm going to make a few comments. First, I
think Willington needs some stability. We've had three one term
means and a lot of our problems stem from the
fact the first year you're learning, the second year you
dip your toe in and start making some of the
promises or delivering it. In the third year, you back
back fast because you want to get re elected. We
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need a mayor who's going to be there for the
long term, six to nine years. We need a mayor
who understands coalitions, who understands governance, and who can talk
to government. There's only one candidate that I believe can
do that. I don't know. I mean, I'm hearing in
various polls. I think the realities with STV. You know,
a week out I had a ninety seven percent chance
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of winning and I lost by one hundred and twenty
votes because of STV, So I don't think anyone can
be really clear. I'm still hearing other names and all
those other canes.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Named Carl Tiffan Barker because that has suddenly become I
think that it almost feels like the timing is right
that he's coming in.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
In the end, I think Ray has done a lot
of damage to his credibility. I think Diane came in
so they'll all split each other's votes. I think Carl
is easing up, but at the end of the day,
people will vote one, two, three or four whatever they do,
and as one falls off because you get it, get
fifty percent plus one of the vote's cast on the
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day they their second preferences come up in third, there's
not a lot of second and third preferences will come
to Andrew Little. So that's why I don't think you
can really.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Okay, explain this to me, because I still don't understand it.
I'm a talkback host and I'm a well in toning businessman,
but I still don't understand because I'm only going to
vote one. Why because I don't want it, But then
your vote's gone.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
But then your votes gone, and if your one doesn't
float to the top, then your second and third preferences
don't get allocated. I think you need to vote at
least three.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Do you yes? As that what you're telling elist.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
I am telling you listeners that absolutely.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I did the same.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
I think I did two or three, but I didn't
do that.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I didn't go through he's going to see there's no one.
There's only one that I slightly want out of the
whole lot slight.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
That doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement for any of
the candidates standing.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Well, you know what I reckon, it's going to be
the lowest number of votes ever.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Yesterday it's fifteen percent at the moment, which is a
votes cast. But that's not just some little previous elections.
Last time I got up to forty five percent. So
they're expecting a big surge over this weekend.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Okay, and you you're going to go with this mister Stable,
I don't see him then there in nine years Andrew
literally be eighty. It'd be too old.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
He's only in his early sixties. Be old, well getting now, Okay,
I say things like that on here.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Okay, No, I'm just saying I don't think he's heat
for the long term.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
I mean he's I'm going to work with whoever gets
and I want to have the best candidate one. And
let's hope Wellingtonians have listened and watched for the last three, six,
nine years and make a sensible decision.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
And like you, Carrie, if I'm still in this job,
I'm going to hold whoever gets that job to accountability.
That's what I'm going to try and do. If they
come in and do their monthly catch ups? Did you
do the monthly catch ups with Justin who was on
the show winning?
Speaker 3 (17:32):
I wasn't ever seen as important enough to meet with
you or your predecessors.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
It was definitely my predecessor. I was still at school
with you. Yeah, by the key, hots and knots, Hots
and knots coming up? Have you got good hots and knots?
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Yeah? Of course?
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Who was on the show when you were mere? Who
did you? Who had one into mornings when you were mere?
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Linda? But that's really good.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Justin the frayme you would have had you would have
had they would have been very good conversations with you
and justin both highly intelligent people. Okay, Mark Sainsbury, give
us your hot knots, all.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Right, don't be so enthusiastic neck.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Oh no, no, no, I was actually looking for my
Taylor Swift Stoke. Excellent.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Hey listen, well I'll start with the not so to
get that out of the road, fist what I'm just
really just not happy with the streaming services. You know,
you pay for these like Netflix and that sort of stuff,
So why are we being delivered a service like the
old days of TV and Z. You know, these things
like Task and various other you have to wait a
week for each episode. If I wanted to do that,
you know, they dropped them slow horses. So instead of
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giving the whole series like you used to You have
to wait each week like you used to have to
do in the old days, a streaming service. So that's
that's my lot. I tell you what is super super hot,
and that's the tea among the hospice. I did their
fundraiser on the weekend. We raised two hundred and sixty
six thousand dollars. The people of the hut are just
such beautiful, creative, helpful, caring people.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
It was a fantastic day.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Nick.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Have you heard about their new shop.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
And apparently they've got a new shop and it's supposed
to be tomorrow. You guys are all over Lush.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Stay staff from here, at the staff from here and
raving about it. But apparently people have been donating brand
new stuff and its furniture out there. It's at the
Station Village and all our guys are going out there tour.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
And I'm just going to take the head off to
Biddy Harford, who has been the CEO there for twenty
five years, and she is finally stepping down this year.
What she has done and now she got that whole
thing rebuilt. She is just a treasure and I just
take the head off to her and a team among
a hospice. I'd a lot to do with them.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
And apparently, honestly, apparently that they've got some really good stuff.
It's a station village and all our sister radio stations
or brother radio stations are all out there tomorrow. So
go out and have a lot and apparently some good gear,
and get there early. You can get here.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
So what's not hot that we're still losing about seventy
million liters of water a day in Wellington despite the
huge investment from the region. The new organization with a
new board has got to get on top of this.
We have to invest in aging infrastructure.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Can webbry as CEO? They tell me.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
I don't think so. No, I think we're still having
to hold hoses. And although they're saying we're losing about
thirty seven percent, the reality is the water tables high
because of all the rain. As soon as it gets
to summer and the ground shrinks away from the pipes,
it'll be more. We have to invest in water infrastructure
in this region. Now, what is hot? The raw New
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Zealand ballet that I'm lucky enough to be the chair.
I'm off to Melbourne next week. We've got twelve gents
going to do a collaborative peace with Moss Patterson. We're
dancing at a festival next week in Melbourne and then
coming up at the end of the year we've got Nutcracker,
so please Wellingtonians New Zealanders buy tickets, go and see
the Rawal New Zealand Ballet and Nutcracker for Christmas.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Well my heart of the day is having both you
and here. It's been a great show and really enjoyed
sitting back, relaxing and chatting to you guys. You're two
great people Wellingtonians, and I'm lucky enough to spend an
hour with you now and again, so I appreciate you both.
Have a great weekend.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Said be my favorite part of the show, my favorite
to guest on the show, amongst others. But you know
two of my two of my favorite guests on the show,
Mark Sainsbury legendary broadcast. I don't know why they put
that in front of you.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
He wouldn't come.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
He believes in his own publicy. That's that Mark Morning, Welcome,
Morning Morning, and former mayor Dame Carey printed gas good morning, Dame,
Good morning, Dame.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
I don't need to say that. I don't understand that.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Oh my gosh, you know what I need. I need
a song played right now. You're not the song I
need played right now. My baby wrote me a letter.
My baby wrote me a letter.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
They don't take up singing?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Who with my looks? If I could sing, I'd be
a very rich man. I tell myself that, Carrie, come on,
tell me what the story I mean? Just for our listeners. Sorry,
very very very arrogant to me. More than a decade's
worth of confidential council documents were found in an old
mayoral desk desk that was taken to be recycled nicely,
(01:21):
well done, clever with all the documents still inside it.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
It is hard to believe, isn't it. So yes, it
was my desk, and before me, I've been desks for
mayors forever. It had a big cupbet on the side
with a lock and we all kept the key and
anything that was highly sensitive, like ren reviews for chief executives,
(01:45):
what they earned, all those sorts of things, plus errant counselors,
so code of conduct complaints, all those sorts of things.
You didn't file them anywhere. This was the leadership role
you had as mayor, so you kept them in your office.
And people have been saying to me, so how come
they weren't destroyed every seven years because some of these
counselors were still on counsel when I So we're looking
(02:07):
at a period when Fran was mayor or Dame Fran sorry,
and then Mark and myself after the end of my
mayoralty in the beginning of this or the twenty thirteen
it was two years later. They decided to move from
the town hall because of its earthquake risk status up
onto the terrace and the furniture didn't fit, so it
(02:29):
was put into storage. So why didn't someone unlock the cupboard?
Zero point one. Two It's sat in storage all that
time and no one noticed that it was heavier than
it should have been. Three When they decided to go
to dunbar and say can you sell this for us
on I said, no, it's not worth anything. Let's take
it to the top. And I understand that the gentleman
who bought it saw bits of paper sticking out, so
(02:52):
other people must have noticed that too. It's like a joke,
a chapter of errors.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I get you, I've got to get it.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
They not ever go at the media. So do you
come back to me, what.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Do you mean you want to ever go at the media?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Well, because I to stand, well, there's a couple of things.
The gentleman who bought it, most of us, let's say
ninety nine point nine percent of us would have got
those papers unless we're in the media, and we would
have delivered to them council and say I don't think
I should have these. So there is a small percentage
that wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
I don't think it's one percent. I don't think it's.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
One point one.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I think it's more than.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Point right, Well, the media and point I then understand
that they have been returned after a very nicely and
carefully worded letter to Zidney. They have been returned.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Can we just have a little bit of a speed them?
But hold on, go back, way way back. First phone
call he made to be completely upfront to the gentleman
because you're you're casting dispersements on him. His first phone
call was to who.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Actually, that's not quite right, Nick, City count I have
had the transcript read to me. So he ran the
council because he has had a long term complaint worrying
about something to cycle lane. So he went round to
say I haven't had any response to my querer about
cycle lane. So that went back and forwards, and then
he said on by the way I've come and to
the receipt of some confidential papers, and then he went
(04:18):
back to talk about cycle lanes. So the poor course,
enter man or lady, you can't really say that it
was raised as the major point of the front back.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
To you, so you can have your little dig at
the media. Can't get it in anyway.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
But I just keep thinking that when they moved that desk,
when I was shifting it around, was shifted out of
the town hall.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Shifting around given my papers like that.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
It was.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
You would hear it, you know, sluicing around in those tubuls.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
You think it is Wat's in there? I know because
it might have been some dollars in there.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
No, we didn't have any money. We speeded on ratepayer things.
It was a set like like you get from a
patient when you leave hospital. You get a big white
bag patient. It was that big and it was chocolate block. Well,
you're absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
There was centence sacked for the news media. Wasn't it
crack at us? I saw one of them. I saw
one of the letters and the whole thing I saw,
I was leading it and go, holy hell, and at
somebody I know, reason, Well, so you can imagine who
it was, Yes I can, and I'm reading it and go,
that poor bugger that's been sitting around for that's the
(05:29):
still alive.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
A lot of the people that we that I'm aware
of that papers relate to are still alive. And they
were privacy concerns and it's very nice that ed me
and the Herald to return them to council. I was
disappointed to hear that they were copied, so that means
that they can continue to use them when they feel
like it, excepting.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
A story, seemed to be more pointing towards you in
aptitude of the council as opposed to whatever these people
had done. It was the fact that how the hell
did this sort of happen, whether someone was born on
their computer twenty years ago.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
There was more than that. Let's just say that, have
you got anything.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
To hide yourself? Are you a little bit concerned? You
very upset about it? When I first saw your TV
you were very up.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I don't think there's anything bad about me and confident.
It's a bit of a joke. The whole of New
Zealand must be laughing at the ineptitude of the office
that arranged to empty to have it.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Do they not have a safe? Do they not have
a safe side of a debt?
Speaker 3 (06:30):
It was on the side of my desk. It was
the safe effectively, it.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Was a very ugly desk by the way, well I.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Think it was removed. Look, we would we were thinking
about rape as money all the time. Why would we
waste money on a very heavy oak desk when we
could be quite heavy with a remove one.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
With files in it that they're to hurt people from.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
It made it quite heavy.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
You didn't even have a cheer, did you.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
You were so concerned about so if you've got anything
to be concerned about, But if I promised, if someone
photocopied it, like you said, you're accusing them.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
I'm aware of other Code of Conduct complaints that will
be in the air, and there are people potentially still alive.
So that concerns me from a privacy point of view.
And I'm trusting.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Were you a nasty to someone, they had to crack
at you, I'm.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Trusting on the integrity of the media. Should I be worried, well,
I think you nervous.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
What I'm saying is that we've asked you for about
six weeks to come on the show and you've said no.
Suddenly you said yes because we've holding a whole lot
of papers.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Because I was walking between Portugal, and that could be
the reason.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
That there's something there, o Bart, you can tell you.
I mean, we haven't got that, we haven't got the
advantage of cameras in the studio, but I can tell
you as can I can I call you a friend?
I think I would call you a friend.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
What you're about to say.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I would say as a friend, you're very nervous.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
I'm come on, I tell you I would jump in.
I'd say one thing for Kerrie, I mean and terms
for a reputation. I don't believe she worried about anything
from this. But as you say, it's quite an interesting thing,
isn't it. Because if the media gets hold of the stuff,
it's all private and confidential. How much of an obligation
(08:18):
should they have to entertaining that privacy or just the
fact that we've got this juicy story.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Well, as you know, they contacted John Morrison, so he
was counselor he was interviewed and it was front page
of the down Post. So they do have that ability
to go and talk to the people that are still
alive and raise a she's.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
With he and of course in his case we may
point out, I mean he had a perfectly grade he
wasn't there when this breach occurred.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
No, well we'll let's leave job's a he is a
very good bloke, so and I would trust him implicitly,
like I trust you implicitly. But I will go and
have a little sneaky view at the files over the weekend,
just in cases something our listeners need to know.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
They've kept the files and they've scanned them and they've
still got.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Them got lost and the council needed another copy.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I am mostly going to be destroyed.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah, can I can? I tell you that I have
not seen any photocoppy files. And I work completely opposite
Ethan Minera, who broke the story.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
This has made his career, hasn't it. He's just on
on radio and Michael Mora and TV every day.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
He's a very good young man, so it would only
help his career. I tell you what would help his career, Mark,
if he's got a story about Dave Carey Prendigast, right,
that would make this. You know, they all all previous.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
I can tell you Ethan that has been fast because
I had two missed pocket calls last week.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Thank you take a break at Dame Carey Prendigast and
Mark Sainsbury, bark will get to you. So as I
just sitting back listen Friday face off with Dame Carey Prindergast,
I'm not going to say Dame Carey print of gas
and I said it enough. Everyone knows she's a Dame
Carey Prendergast and Mark Sainsbury. Sir Mark Sainsbury, Well, it's
(10:07):
finishing this weekend. The show's called Rise Believe it or not, Carrie,
it's the twentieth anniversary of well the year now, I
know you'd know that because you know everything. Did you
know that mark twentieth year of anniversary? Apparently incredible show,
so well put together. How do we keep it here, Carrie?
How do we make sure that?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
The reason I know is because I was the man
when we got it to Wellington. Yeah, I was told
you that I poached it. I didn't and we don't
have time to tell you the true story. Sixty thousand
tickets sold. If you walk up and down Lampton Key
at the moment, there are huge numbers of women.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Shopping Mecca, the Mecca shop.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yeah, I used to go to. I used to be
on the border Kirk's and this four weeks did more
for retail than the six weeks before Christmas for Kirks.
So hospitality is happy, retails happy, sixty thousand happy campers
and thirty million economic benefit for Wellington. It's amazing up.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
On a planet, coming down to coming down to Wellington
and it is just you know, you're drowning an estrogen.
It is just there was just full of women groups
themselves and they're so excited and so pumped and they're
looking forward to it. And Wellington's this hot city.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
It is fantastic.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
And I take my head off to carry because she
did secure that for Wellington and and it's what a
huge This is what we need.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
There's a few tickets left, so you haven't seen it.
There's a few odd you know what.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I've been telling people, and I've been really pumping its
tires because I love it. It's Vegas comes to town
for a couple of weeks. That's what it is, isn't it.
It's like we've all seen Vegas shows. It's Vegas comes
to town at its finest level.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
So I don't think there's anything else like this in Australasia.
There might be in Vegas, but not not in the
Southern hemisphere.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Okay, okay, let's get what is it the monkey in
the room or whatever it is in the room. Let's
start talking about Let's let's concentrate on Wellington firstly, and
then we'll move out and talk about some of the
other cities around us this time next week. Kerry's just
corrected me, Mark, hasn't she? Very carefully? In the add
(12:14):
we will have a new mayor elect, so it won't
be a mayor because it takes about a month before
you become the mayor. What's gonna happen? Mark? Has things changed?
Has Carl done enough?
Speaker 4 (12:26):
I reckon no, I think that. I still think. I
think little. But you're hearing all sorts of different things.
I did one of the maral debates to the Newdown
Community Association, you know, and thank god that Penny Wise,
the Rewilding clown, and the mad Hatter guy were there,
because otherwise it get pretty pretty, pretty pretty dull. That
(12:48):
my pick would be be the thing I've enjoyed the most,
well and enjoyed the most, the funniest thing of sea.
It has been all the defacing of the billboards, which is
always poor old Ray Chung, you know. I mean, he
will regret that email waiting for the rest of his life.
There's people who been going around writing soft, pengelous breasts
under his name and then drawing breasts onto his white shirt.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
And are we allowed to say that on on air?
Speaker 4 (13:12):
White white shirt?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Very racist? It is.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Look, it's it's interesting. I mean I found one of
the Alex Baker Baker I felt he was quite an
impressive quite an impressive kendidate. But it's sort of I.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Found him watching it, watching his Instagram as mad as
one of the mad hatters. I mean, he comes up
with some stuff all the time.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Well in the debate because and we had we had
Donald McDonald as well, who care would be very familiar
with who? And isn't it the thing that gets me
with these campaigns and gets something you think is absolutely
you know, absolutely off the planet, and yet they were
all every once in a while they come up with
something really really salient and that that was that was
what it was.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Like in the debate. So Mike pier Be Little, that's
what I mean. But that's like going to the Trent
and racist and picking the hottest of hot favorites at
a dollar five.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
The hottest of hot favorites is going to win, you
might as well still back it, Okay, Kerrie prenda Garde.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
So I'm going to make a few comments. First, I
think Willington needs some stability. We've had three one term
means and a lot of our problems stem from the
fact the first year you're learning, the second year you
dip your toe in and start making some of the
promises or delivering it. In the third year, you back
back fast because you want to get re elected. We
(14:32):
need a mayor who's going to be there for the
long term, six to nine years. We need a mayor
who understands coalitions, who understands governance, and who can talk
to government. There's only one candidate that I believe can
do that. I don't know. I mean, I'm hearing in
various polls. I think the realities with STV. You know,
a week out I had a ninety seven percent chance
(14:54):
of winning and I lost by one hundred and twenty
votes because of STV, So I don't think anyone can
be really clear. I'm still hearing other names and all
those other canes.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Named Carl Tiffan Barker because that has suddenly become I
think that it almost feels like the timing is right
that he's coming in.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
In the end, I think Ray has done a lot
of damage to his credibility. I think Diane came in
so they'll all split each other's votes. I think Carl
is easing up, but at the end of the day,
people will vote one, two, three or four whatever they do,
and as one falls off because you get it, get
fifty percent plus one of the vote's cast on the
(15:30):
day they their second preferences come up in third, there's
not a lot of second and third preferences will come
to Andrew Little. So that's why I don't think you
can really.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Okay, explain this to me, because I still don't understand it.
I'm a talkback host and I'm a well in toning businessman,
but I still don't understand because I'm only going to
vote one. Why because I don't want it, But then
your vote's gone.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
But then your votes gone, and if your one doesn't
float to the top, then your second and third preferences
don't get allocated. I think you need to vote at
least three.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Do you yes? As that what you're telling elist.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
I am telling you listeners that absolutely.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I did the same.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
I think I did two or three, but I didn't
do that.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I didn't go through he's going to see there's no one.
There's only one that I slightly want out of the
whole lot slight.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
That doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement for any of
the candidates standing.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Well, you know what I reckon, it's going to be
the lowest number of votes ever.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Yesterday it's fifteen percent at the moment, which is a
votes cast. But that's not just some little previous elections.
Last time I got up to forty five percent. So
they're expecting a big surge over this weekend.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Okay, and you you're going to go with this mister Stable,
I don't see him then there in nine years Andrew
literally be eighty. It'd be too old.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
He's only in his early sixties. Be old, well getting now, Okay,
I say things like that on here.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Okay, No, I'm just saying I don't think he's heat
for the long term.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
I mean he's I'm going to work with whoever gets
and I want to have the best candidate one. And
let's hope Wellingtonians have listened and watched for the last three, six,
nine years and make a sensible decision.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
And like you, Carrie, if I'm still in this job,
I'm going to hold whoever gets that job to accountability.
That's what I'm going to try and do. If they
come in and do their monthly catch ups? Did you
do the monthly catch ups with Justin who was on
the show winning?
Speaker 3 (17:32):
I wasn't ever seen as important enough to meet with
you or your predecessors.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
It was definitely my predecessor. I was still at school
with you. Yeah, by the key, hots and knots, Hots
and knots coming up? Have you got good hots and knots?
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Yeah? Of course?
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Who was on the show when you were mere? Who
did you? Who had one into mornings when you were mere?
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Linda? But that's really good.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Justin the frayme you would have had you would have
had they would have been very good conversations with you
and justin both highly intelligent people. Okay, Mark Sainsbury, give
us your hot knots, all.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Right, don't be so enthusiastic neck.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Oh no, no, no, I was actually looking for my
Taylor Swift Stoke. Excellent.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Hey listen, well I'll start with the not so to
get that out of the road, fist what I'm just
really just not happy with the streaming services. You know,
you pay for these like Netflix and that sort of stuff,
So why are we being delivered a service like the
old days of TV and Z. You know, these things
like Task and various other you have to wait a
week for each episode. If I wanted to do that,
you know, they dropped them slow horses. So instead of
(18:33):
giving the whole series like you used to You have
to wait each week like you used to have to
do in the old days, a streaming service. So that's
that's my lot. I tell you what is super super hot,
and that's the tea among the hospice. I did their
fundraiser on the weekend. We raised two hundred and sixty
six thousand dollars. The people of the hut are just
such beautiful, creative, helpful, caring people.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
It was a fantastic day.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Nick.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Have you heard about their new shop.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
And apparently they've got a new shop and it's supposed
to be tomorrow. You guys are all over Lush.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Stay staff from here, at the staff from here and
raving about it. But apparently people have been donating brand
new stuff and its furniture out there. It's at the
Station Village and all our guys are going out there tour.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
And I'm just going to take the head off to
Biddy Harford, who has been the CEO there for twenty
five years, and she is finally stepping down this year.
What she has done and now she got that whole
thing rebuilt. She is just a treasure and I just
take the head off to her and a team among
a hospice. I'd a lot to do with them.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
And apparently, honestly, apparently that they've got some really good stuff.
It's a station village and all our sister radio stations
or brother radio stations are all out there tomorrow. So
go out and have a lot and apparently some good gear,
and get there early. You can get here.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
So what's not hot that we're still losing about seventy
million liters of water a day in Wellington despite the
huge investment from the region. The new organization with a
new board has got to get on top of this.
We have to invest in aging infrastructure.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Can webbry as CEO? They tell me.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
I don't think so. No, I think we're still having
to hold hoses. And although they're saying we're losing about
thirty seven percent, the reality is the water tables high
because of all the rain. As soon as it gets
to summer and the ground shrinks away from the pipes,
it'll be more. We have to invest in water infrastructure
in this region. Now, what is hot? The raw New
(20:26):
Zealand ballet that I'm lucky enough to be the chair.
I'm off to Melbourne next week. We've got twelve gents
going to do a collaborative peace with Moss Patterson. We're
dancing at a festival next week in Melbourne and then
coming up at the end of the year we've got Nutcracker,
so please Wellingtonians New Zealanders buy tickets, go and see
the Rawal New Zealand Ballet and Nutcracker for Christmas.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Well my heart of the day is having both you
and here. It's been a great show and really enjoyed
sitting back, relaxing and chatting to you guys. You're two
great people Wellingtonians, and I'm lucky enough to spend an
hour with you now and again, so I appreciate you both.
Have a great weekend.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
For more from Wellington Mornings with Nick Mills, listen to
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